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Various elements of Higurashi are featured in Umineko, creating a link between the two works.

Higurashi cannot be explained without magic.

Thus, Umineko cannot be explained without magic.

>> No.4360177

We don't want to explain it without magic, we want to prove that the mysteries on the island weren't done by magic. AND KILLING BEATO WITH THIS AHHAHAHA

>> No.4360184

Mmm... dem thighs.

>> No.4360201

Nah bro, it goes like this: Umineko is a mystery, Higurashi is a fantasy.

Ryukishi is truly the king of trolling.

>> No.4360197

>>4360184

Kei-chan's delicious fur seal.

>> No.4360205

>>4360166
Umineko can be explained without magic, but we're supposed to be focusing on explaining what really happened rather than DISPROVING MAGIC 4EVERRRR

Because, seriously, stop being a prick and let people have their fantasies.

>> No.4360213

>Higurashi cannot be explained without magic.

Of course it can, it's in our world as a cartoon and that works without magic.

(Bern and paper don't count, as the witches are a lie)

>> No.4360218

>>4360213

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

>> No.4360237
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>>4360197

>> No.4360251

Higurashi exists as a fiction in Umineko.

>> No.4360664

brain parasites did it

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>>4360664

Knox's 4th: It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be used.

>> No.4360681

Higurashi is the complete opposite of Umineko.

>> No.4360701

>>4360681
Everyone is different people with the same personality?

>> No.4360726

>>4360701
>implying characters in either series have any kind of personality at all

>> No.4360725

>>4360673

I don't think the decalogue applies to Higurashi.

>> No.4360785 [DELETED] 

>>4360162
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

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>>4360726

>> No.4360783

>>4360673
The Decalogue doesn't apply to Higurashi. Even Dlanor's not sure it applies to Umineko.

>> No.4360784

>>4360251
One of the characters in Higurashi wrote a book about the events, and that's probably the one Battler refers to. So it's not fiction.

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>>4360784

>> No.4361514

>>4361159
WTF?

>> No.4361522

>>4361159
This does not state that Higurashi is fiction, only that there's a novel. It doesn't violate the idea that they both exist in the same world if someone later wrote about the story.

>> No.4361530

Sure, ignoring the whole thing with how Ryukishi said you shouldn't expect Higurashi from Umineko, and that people who haven't read Higurashi will be able to solve Umineko more easily, your theory make sense.

>> No.4361537

>>4361522
Isn't there only 2 years between Higurashi and Umineko? And ff Higurashi wasn't fiction, then there would be only the last arc represented in the book wouldn't it?

>> No.4361561

>>4361537
And where are we informed that this conversation didn't occur sometime in the last arc, or that since cross-kakera memory is weird, it wasn't wrongly remembered?

>> No.4361566

>>4361561
Because this conversation takes place in Tatarigoroshi.

>> No.4361570

>>4361566
But parts of the different arcs occur the same, like the contest for instance.

>> No.4361576

>>4361570
Not this one.
Also Keiichi was only the protagonist of the first 3 games.

>> No.4361585

I'm not sure if the book is fiction or not, but characters from Higurashi make appearances in Umineko, so if the book was fiction why would it contain real people?

>> No.4361591

>>4361585
They come from a different world. Remember, Erika IS the Rika of this world.

>> No.4361597

>>4361585
No characters from Higurashi appeared in Umineko.
Enjoy being trolled by R07.

>> No.4361601

>>4361585
Someone with weak magical powers mistaking clairvoyance for imagination? It happened in an episode of Justice League.

>> No.4361605

>>4361591
No, Erika is just a poor girl who died drowned.
We don't even know her true personality, she was just allowed to be a self insert since she could have been on the island.

>> No.4361616

>>4361605
>We don't even know her true personality
I hope it's similar to how she was portrayed in EP5, but with slightly less bitch.

She'd be an awesome tsundere with a thing for duct tape, chopsticks, and school swimsuits. She also probably spends a lot of time at the library, getting too wrapped up in mystery books and being late for everything.

>> No.4361624

Wasn't it stated that Touya wrote the Higurashi novel in Umineko universe? And she writes what she sees.

>> No.4361629

>>4361616
Didn't she become her detective self because of what happened with her boyfriend?

>> No.4361637

>>4361616
>>4361605
We know her true personality. It's pretty much however she acts when she's around Dlanor.

>> No.4361639

>>4361629
I think so, yeah. Which is still pretty HNNNGH.

>> No.4361655

>>4361624
She writes Umineko as she see it.
She could have written Higurashi normally.

My theory is that Touya knows where Shannon, aka Beatrice, is, probably some psychiatric hospital, and she visits her regularly.
The meta-world is actually Shannon's delusion from the beginning to the end, her psyche broke even further after the incident, Touya's observe Shannon's acting out her delusion and write the episodes accordingly.

>> No.4361659

>>4361639
>>4361629
No, the boyfriend thing is just her referencing Frederica Bernkastel poem.

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>>4361659
>Frederica Bernkastel
Fred Erika Bernkastel....
Huh, looks like I'll be calling her Fred from now on.

>> No.4361673

>>4361655

That's from "magic don't exist" point of view.

>> No.4361688

>>4361655

I can't believe Ryu would turn Higurashi into a fiction inside a fiction. That would be like shitting on the fanbase. It's far more likely Featherine just wrote what she saw while observing Higurashi.

And you all know we will see Bern and likely also Lambda and Hanyuu in When They Cry 5.

>> No.4361693

Just think of Umineko as a WoD Mage game.

>> No.4361738

>>4361673
After episode 6, I don't see how you could take any other view point.

Also for the other part of my theory, what I think happened:
Shannon somehow survived but she got even crazier, she lost all her memories and was taken in a psychiatric hospital under the name of "Maria".

Touya somehow met her and decided to uncover her mystery.
To do that she manipulated her into creating this "game" in her mind, to do that she influenced her into creating a few new personalities, that is Bernkastel and Lambdadelta, both based on Touya's previous work.

Everything that happens in Umineko is actually some sort of role playing game that Shannon play out alone from the beginning to the end, the main actors of the meta-world are separate personalities of her, yeah even Battler.
Touya managed to find the truth after witnessting the first 2 episodes and decided to influence Shannon into creating situations that are more varied, to rake more profit.

Later she found Ange on the island, probably contacted by Juza since they seem to know each other in episode 6, and decided to use her to influence Shannon's game even further.
Ange is already pretty crazy but Touya could have drugged her so that she could act out in this game.
In the end, Ange proved herself to be too much stimuli and was ejected from the game by Lambdadelta, the one personality who know what is up with this game.

>> No.4361739

>>4361688

I'm also guessing that MARIA is going to be in the continueing series since she is a creator level witch.

>> No.4361746

>>4361693
Umineko is more like CtL. Rokkenjima loops are Battler's durance, Lambdadelta is probably his keeper.

>> No.4361777

>>4361738
The various personalities:
Beatrice = The personality who did whatever happened on Rokkenjima and regret it.

Battler = Personality who was created to protect the memory of the people who died on the island, Shannon gave her the form of Battler because he is the protector for her, the "knight in shining armor".

Bernkastel = Personality that Shannon created with Touya's influence, a personality who only exist to uncover the truth without caring about anything else.

Lambdadelta = Personality who symbolize Shannon's murderous feeling, she also took a "form" under the influence of Touya.

>> No.4361834

>>4361777
>>4361738
Self-cest ending would be the greatest troll ever.

>> No.4361885

>>4361739
>>4361688
R07 already said in the first fucking interview that people shouldn't expect another Higurashi and that those who consider Higurashi too much will have a hard time seeing the truth.

Also for the "creator level witches".
Featherine = Touya = a writer.
MARIA = Maria = the one who wrote the diary Ange possess.
Creator can creating things from nothing, just like a writer.
It's really fucking obvious.

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