SWR2 Netplay Thread

[Anonymous No.]

Old one is on autosage

[Anonymous No.]

So, who hosting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355009
I can, as a last resort. There will be serious lag though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355010
Aight, I'll do it.

71.8.122.172:10800
US Central

[(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ BOOF ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜) !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355016
Still hosting...

[Gant No.]

Remember when SWR was popular?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355140
Yeah. Shame Hisoutensoku had to come along at kill it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355140
no

[Anonymous No.]

75.79.143.22:10800 West Coast

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355016
Good games E-MAN, sorry about the molasses speed.

I think I should quit playing Sanae, just can't get used to the bizarro j.2A. I like what you did with it though, it can obviously be pretty interesting but I find it too hard to break out habits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355050
GGs komachisa

Another new name, another paranoid inner-investigation on whose alt account you are... Regardless, nice playing you. Thanks for the matches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355266
>Another new name, another paranoid inner-investigation on whose alt account you are...
You should be able to solve this.

I changed my name ever since switching to "new slow Internet connection that makes all my Soku games lag", which coincidentally coincided with the release of v1.10. Still hoping for the day I get a better connection that makes games playable, and then I'll return to my old name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355262
It's my fav. new change with her, and one of the only reasons I picked her up. So many good things can chain with it, but I suck in the execution department to pull it off in real matches.

[Anonymous No.]

Hosting from EU.
88.90.244.220:10800

Meiling training.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355283
>You should be able to solve this.

...people who are familiar with me
- Guy
- Nipah
- a.a.
- Rabbit
- Disco
- Magister
- Lurker

Familiar enough to be able to pick me apart at will
- Guy
- a.a
- Rabbit
- Magister
- Lurker

...Plays China
- Guy

...but plays Iku and Sanae too
- Not Guy

Didn't invoke a traditional Baka/HEADSTOMP match
- Not a.a.

Played Gold Komachi instead of Pink Komachi
- Not Mags

Yukari?
- Not Lurk

Youmu?
- Not Rabbit

Final Answer: LOLWAT?

[Guy No.]

>>4355388

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355392
>typical Meiling pic
LOL, I knew that would get my answer, but on to bigger things. When IN THE BLUE HELL did you pick up Iku?

...also, how's school?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355388
>...but plays Iku and Sanae too
>Played Gold Komachi instead of Pink Komachi
Dang it, and Sanae and Komachi were my mains. I guess I've been playing my secondaries too often.

As for Meirin, I've been using her a lot recently. I just want to 2AAAAAAA all day long. Guy kicks my butt in our mirror matches but I think I'm learning (how to copy him).

[Guy No.]

>>4355438
I don't use Iku or Sanae, though (at least not competently). I'm also horrible with Komachi. So, enjoy your guessan games, E-MAN.

I just post that image every thread until everyone gets her name right.

[Guy No.]

I sorta want to play now. Hostan:

76.28.244.101:10800
USWest
Insecure about his chances of winning tier.

>>4355438
>also, how's school?

I graduated already.

[Anonymous No.]

Just getting into this game: is it true suwanko is like by far the worst character in the entire game? I love her goofy style but i'm worried I may be China-surpassing levels of dissapointment

[博麗 霊夢 !1rAyMooPLc No.]

>>4355164
why lurker-chan...why ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>4354987
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355460
>>4355456
Then you're definitely a.a. Problem is, now you have a Meiling that's a balanced mimic of Guys...

And my problems just continue to multiply here at /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355164
ggs GP. Sorry to cut them short.

I haven't actually seen many people use that Yuyuko alt before. Kinda caught me off guard, though my Yuyu is total garbage anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355517
As of 1.10 I'd say Suwako is mid-tier, though I personally still suck with her.

Which puts Meiling at rock bottom, now that I think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355532
Oh. Didn't realize you were raymoo. Hurrr.

[博麗 霊夢 !1rAyMooPLc No.]

>>4355532
Yuyuko alt236 gimmicks works wonders in Yuyuko dittos. GGs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355517
Not sure if kidding. Prior to v1.10, the bottom three characters were (according to some tier list) Sanae, Meirin, and Suwako. But when v1.10 came out, Sanae and Suwako were heavily buffed and Meirin was seemingly nerfed.

So no, it's doubtful Suwako is rock bottom in v1.10. Play her if you wish; you just don't have the satisfaction of bottom-tier humiliation of opponents when you win with her anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

Freezing tier.

190.43.101.154:10800

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355532
Also, forgot this: I don't really play Suika at all, but what did they do to her mist 214? ;_; It's nothing like how it was in SWR. Not sure if this is because of 1.10, haven't tried it since Hisoutensoku

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355548
Dead serious, which should indicate my Hisoutensoku powerlevel--someone in the thread yesterday pointed me in the direction of the wiki (the right wiki, since there's like three) but it hasn't been updated since 1.03. Still really helpful though. Mid tier sounds great, I will enjoy playing the wierdest character in the wierdest fighter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355548
It was actually Sakuya, Meiling, and Suwako at bottom, with Sanae and Marisa close by.

Any satisfaction I get through winning with Meiling is nullified by the frustration I experience each and every time I use her against someone decent playing a better character I still use her, though. I could never be unfaithful to her. Unless they put Yuka in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355548
This.

The buffs sorta killed it for me. Playing Suwako seems repetitive now, somehow. She will always be one of my mains, but it's not as satisfying to win with her now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355578
In old swr, they nerfed it so it only released mist projectiles at level 4. In soku, they removed it entirely. It's a useless move now.

[博麗 霊夢 !1rAyMooPLc No.]

>>4355578
If you were asking me, not too sure really. I could never find much use for it so I never bothered touching that skill again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355614
Just make a deck of shitty cards if you want to cripple yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355604
My bad, I was going by the tier list on the SWR Wiki (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/FAQ)), which is evidently quite outdated (October 31st, 2009) plus some people probably don't think the ranking method is accurate.

[Guy No.]

>>4355489
Still hosting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355569

Eh. No players?

[Anonymous No.]

67.163.49.53:06112
US Central

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355632
I don't think we're communicating properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355665

GGs. Trying to beat Utsuho with Cirno in that lag is like trying to beat Iku with Cirno in that lag.

Slow character vs Fast character who moves slow is way too hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355665
Good games Nipah. Not sure what was up with the connection.

[0rion No.]

76.171.238.148:10801
U.S. West
Mash A on wake-up tier

[Guy No.]

>>4355489
Good games, E-MAN. Thanks for joining, I was getting so lonely! ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355489
GGs Guy

I guess, pretty soon, I'm going to have to ask advice from you. Total destruction on all cylinders there.

[Anonymous No.]

desire hosters for a dial A combo only tier

[Anonymous No.]

76.229.178.101:10800
us central
the cpu beat me three times today, and not just because i was distracted by spiders trying to get into my water glass tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356154
watching magician fighting angel tier

[0rion No.]

Great games Saje. Looks like I still can't beat your Patchy; man that moisture wipe alt card hurts like a bitch.

Had to laugh at some of the outcomes of those Iku v Remilia matches and all the unexpected reversals. I look forward to playing you again, especially against your Patchouli.

[Saje No.]

>>4356002
Good games, 0rion. Can't believe that last Scarf Whip missed... T'was completely unexpected. It's those damn loli hitboxes. Oh well, Suika's are worse. Fricking Iku 5A whiffs against her when crouching. It's terribly annoying. I think I mentioned this last time, but you really need to work on your Alice f.5A hitconfirms. You missed a lot of f.5A 6A combos in our matches. That said, you're very good with her 6B and laser dolls. I have got to stop using fullscreen bullets against your Alice. Regardless of character, it's suicide. Thanks for the games, but must be getting some sleep now. Fucking long ass day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356154
>distracted by spiders trying to get into my water glass tier

Where the fuck do you live?

[Anonymous No.]

Question, where can I find Hisoutensoku? (Whether it be a Megaupload or a torrent, I don't see it on the /jp/ ftp)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356335
>>>/rs/touhou+hisoutensoku&from=ALL

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356154
ggs SDD. I really should be doing other things than Soku, though. Also Komachi's boat and healthwisp spawning alt are incredibly awesome.

Also, every time I attempting to punish a tech of yours with lolicopter in the first match I felt like a bad person. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356154
thanks for games lurker, you're definitely more entertaining than the cpu
lots of silly situations, thanks for making me notice komachi's 1.10 skill by the way

>>4356293
on a lake, so lots of moisture
there's centipedes too, but i let them live because they kill the spiders

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356347

The guy from >>4356335 should have you covered, but you'll probably want some other resources as well

http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/

Includes:

English weather translation, so you actually know when River Mist is about to come up and make you fucking rage for nearly a minute

Full character unlock, so you don't have to waste time trying to unlock various cards and characters

Information on various characters, even if some parts of the site are a little outdated

Have fun, Anon ::3

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356361
>pic
FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[Anonymous No.]

is anyone up? 66.112.227.56:01626 EC

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356364
Thanks, I need SWR too I assume? (I've already got it, it's just a .rar I need to extract, and is there a specific folder I should be extracting it to so I don't screw up patches or otherwise?)

[Guy No.]

>>4356364
>English weather translation, so you actually know when River Mist is about to come up and make you fucking rage for nearly a minute

I still don't use the English patch, I recognize all of the weathers now anyway. Also, River Mist is the only reason I ever put Tenshi's system card in my deck (well, that and messing around with forcing Diamond Dust while playing as Meiling).

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356379
SWR you just need to extract somewhere and take note. In your 12.3 folder, you'll need to edit config123.ini and point it to your SWR folder, so you access all the characters (and whatever else it does). Patching 12.3 will always be independent from SWR, so aside from linking them in that file, there's not much else to worry about on that side.

example (in config123.ini in your 12.3 folder):
[th105path]
path=C:\Users\Kaiba\Downloads\Touhou Project\TH10.5 ~ Scarlet Weather Rhapsody

[Anonymous No.]

207.47.201.79:7500

hosting, canada west average

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356392
Well Guy, you have me beat. I've been playing since the game came out and I still can't read the weathers. For most of the effects I just wait until someone is hit to make sure it's not the super armor or card draining and ignore the weather otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356502
>and ignore the weather otherwise
Bad move, man. Spring Wind will fuck your shit up if you don't know it's coming and your opponent decides to abuse it (which I do each and every single time it comes up). Just get the patch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356561
I've only played one person who destroyed me by deliberately manipulating weather and boy were those rage inducing. Krad would always always manipulate it to be Typhoon and then chase me around with broom ride and lasers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356591
Counterpick Meiling, get Sky Dragon Kick, suddenly people stop wanting to fight you in Typhoon.

Inb4 >Counterpick >Meiling

[Anonymous No.]

76.29.15.231:07500
US Midwest

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356619

can't connect

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356648
It should work, I'm watching Duck play right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356496
GGs, you probably have better people to play :) thanks for the practice

[Anonymous No.]

Why play Hisoutensoku when you could make flowcharts for it instead!? Probably the second-last one I will make.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356818

You mean M. Bison stomp

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356866
Fuck youuu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356866
I suppose, but most of us just refer to it as "Headstomp". Minor fix for a minor grammatical mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone hosting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356990
still waiting...

[Anonymous No.]

Meh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356619
Good games JS. Sorry about the laggy character select screen, I hope it wasn't too bothersome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4356619

GG's duckater sir thanks for grinding with me for a while, your poking in my block strings drove me nuts but I learned alot. hope to play you again.

[Anonymous No.]

72.193.22.120:10800

west coast is the best coast
somewhat new tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>4357284
GGs hamster, Time to bed 8)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4357561
ggs, nice to see another sakuya main :) she's also my main but i didn't want to mirror too much

[Anonymous No.]

>>4357565
Jeez, my Sakuya needs more training .-. i dun liek blocking.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

Bump?

[Guy No.]

>>4356818
Sorry a.a.; too lazy to make a new flowchart. However, I'm not too lazy to spend hours looking at rating data! Image is the new 1.10 Average Tenco Glicko Rating of Top 18 Users.

Other interesting tidbits:

-Suwako has the greatest difference between the 1st and 18th at 494, with Iku in second at 458 (followed closely by Cirno at 454)
-Komachi has the largest top 5 player average at 2381.2, with Yuyucow in close second with 2379
-Suwako has the smallest bottom 5 player average at 1929.8, with Meiling in second at 1949.4
-Cirno has the largest average deviation from the mean rating (of Cirno players), at ~120.2; Meiling is in second at ~109.6 (where mean rating is of Meiling players)
-Despite receiving a lot of supposedly positive attention, Sanae's top 10 player rating only rose from 2102.4 to 2136.7, less than 5 points above Suwako's top 10 avg and her top 18 avg is just enough to put in her second to last
-Suika, by far, has the smallest average deviation from the mean rating of Suika players (go figure); it's sitting at ~31.5. The next smallest avgdev from mean is ~56.1 (Patchy) and ~56.8 (Sakuya).

Sources:

http://tenco.info/game/2/pov/1/type1/
Dimglow's (?) Average Tenco Glicko Rating of Top Ten Users

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359107
>Suwako has the greatest difference between the 1st and 18th at 494, with Iku in second at 458 (followed closely by Cirno at 454)

So this chart is more somethink like a "difficulty to use the full potential of a character" chart? I'm fine with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359107
I'm 12 what is this?

[Guy No.]

>>4359163
You could sort-of look at it that way. The main purpose of the graph itself is to show how each of the characters, on average, holds up at higher levels of play. However, I ended up computing a few more pieces of data on the spreadsheet just to check things out, so you could use statistics such as the difference between the 1st player and 18th player of a character (the range for that character, if you will) and the avgdev from the mean for a given character as an indication of how difficult it is to bring out the potential of a given character.

So, in this case, you could theoretically venture to say that Cirno, Suwako, Meiling, and Iku are harder to master. You still can't be sure that said statement is actually true, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359107
Well, that is pretty interesting. I don't remember exactly what the last v1.03 ranking was (for the top 18), although I think it looked similar. Obviously v1.10 is still very new, but I guess the overall effects of the buffs and nerfs were smaller than I anticipated. I'm sure the differences will be more noticeable given a couple more months.

Also:
>Yuyucow
>Youmoe
>Tenko
>Showmeyourmoves
>Raymoo
>Meiling
Hahaha!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359367
>Meiling
>China
Fixed.

[Guy No.]

>>4359367
I think Dimglow did a Top 10 avg for 1.03; I wanted to do a top 20 for 1.10 and then supplement it with the top 5 avg and bottom 5 avg, but some of the characters only had 18 players, so I ended up having to do n=18.

>Hahaha!
What? Did I spell their names wrong or something?

Anyway, I'm curious as to how it will change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359385
See >>4355392.

[Anonymous No.]

69.244.250.103:10800 East Coast
Magical Godha Chef tier.

[Anonymous No.]

bump for host

[博麗 霊夢 !1rAyMooPLc No.]

bump for hosts

[Guy No.]

>>4359435
Good games, Beato.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359435
Thanks for the games, Guy! Although I think I've sucked enough today. You just made me realize I need to start learning combos and stop camping out in the corners too much.

[Anonymous No.]

host requstors

[Guy No.]

>>4359865
Don't follow my example, I set a bad one. Combos are much less important than understanding spacing, hitboxes, and timing. It wouldn't hurt to spend a few minutes in practice mode getting your BnBs down, though.

[博麗 霊夢 !1rAyMooPLc No.]

Someone host that doesn't lag!

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkEle5LSG9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9TkmBI9f4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puuZHV68iRQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4360125

[Anonymous No.]

requesting host for god knows how long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359435
Rehosting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359435
gg yukari train

[Anonymous No.]

70.19.70.222 EC
Can't combo tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359107
Dim here.
I've been cited as a source on 4chan. My professional credibility as a statistician is over.
I was going to make another one of these on the 23rd, one month after the game was released, just to run some stats for my own curiosity, but this works too.

[Guy No.]

>>4360667
Haha, I do have a Math degree, even if I'm still incredibly bad as a statistician. In all honesty, it feels like the more I learn about Statistics, the less I really know about it. I can open up the spreadsheet I made in Google to you whenever you want to mess around with the numbers instead of having to do it yourself, though. It might save you a bit of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4360697
Ouch. Pure math degree?
I double majored in Economics and Biology focusing on population dynamics and labor/trade.
Now if only the census bureau would hire me.
As for the sheet, thanks but the page changes multiple times a day. Best to give 1.10 some more time to change the rankings.
But I am curious if Suwako moves up if you make n=10. 18 people being good at unpopular/difficult characters is very unlikely. That's why I went with 10 in my sheets.

[Guy No.]

>>4360820
I can see your point about the sample size. Hmm, I was under the impression that there was a certain cut-off point of skill for the characters (i.e. the players listed for each character aren't, in actuality, the only players who use those characters, they're just the top ones), so I chose to use n=18 to encompass the maximum number of best players for each character.

Pure Math degree is seriously hurting. There's stuff I could potentially do...with 7 years of experience, a Master's, and/or Actuarial training. I did take some Economics; not enough to minor in it, but enough to realize that it's not really my thing. I've never taken a Bio course in my life, though.

I honestly thought I'd see Sanae and Suwako move up some more, so I probably just jumped the gun on the 1.10 chart and didn't give the players enough time to fully adjust to the changes. I'm curious to see what the list will look like in another month or two, though. Giving the data a cursory glance, though, it doesn't look like even changing n=10 would move Suwako up from dead last, though.

[Magister !J.hpxLWh4g No.]

>>4359163
Somehow I don't believe this. I just think a lot of people suck at fighting Komachi. There are a lot of good JP Komachi players, but half the time people just don't give a fuck and run into the scythe for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4360907
Or maybe you just have limited experience fighting any talented western Komachi players? Go down the cast and list players you think are talented or competitive. Can you even name one per character you'd consider representative?

[Anonymous No.]

EU hostan:
88.90.244.220:10800

[Guy No.]

>>4360907
I'd say that the chart itself is most certainly not "ease of use". In my opinion, I'd say that it's suggesting that either Komachi flat-out has a lot of good options in a variety of situations or that she has almost no poor match-ups. Maybe if I get less lazy I'll actually go through their win records and jot down who won against who with what character to get a sort of pseudo match-up chart.

Looking at the numbers, though, Komachi actually has quite a high avgdev from the mean rating of the best 18 Komachi players (~96) and has a range of 346, suggesting that Komachi does indeed of a difficult learning curve, but still performs well at top levels of play.

I'd supplement this with a personal anecdote from our matches, but I'm not nearly skilled enough to use my own experiences as any sort of basis.

[Anonymous No.]

So, I downloaded SWR and Hisoutensoku, the problem is the .rars I got weren't an installation, just the kind you'd extract to a specific folder and run, except they are unpatched. I'm trying to patch them (Had to move them from the desktop into my program files), but the problem is it doesn't seem to be patching right. (The Hisoutensoku I got from /rs/ the other night) Suggestions /jp/? (and I still need to config my configex123.ini file as well.)

[Anonymous No.]

174.0.51.137:10800
Hostan Canadia

[Magister !J.hpxLWh4g No.]

>>4360921
I can, but I would have two people representing two characters. But that's not even 1 person per character. Look at those numbers on the chart. Huge difference, yeah? I didn't mean just Western players at all. Looking at JP matches and such, Komachi seems to give most everyone a hard time if you don't give her special exception and throw your general rules out the window. Same deal for Iku.

[Anonymous No.]

>statistical analysis of character strengths in hisou tensoku

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361002
I'd be curious to see such a list.
You do have to throw some general rules out the window though because of looming j.2a threat. Just like you have to throw away general rules when playing against Yuyuko due to uninteractive projectiles. But back on topic, Komachi has C bullets which some characters find difficult to get rid of and she shuts down chickenblocking entirely, meaning you have to stand and block j.2a, and then due to the danger of an immediate followup 66A you must continue blocking until you see what Komachi does next (or dp and hope.) j.2a really wrests away options from the opponent.
>>4359107
>Top 4 characters all have amazing j.2a attacks.
Not that that coincidence says much, just realized it when I was typing the above.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361104
remi j2a amazing?
hahahahaha

[Guy No.]

>>4360996
Sure is disconnect here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359107
So Suwanko really still is bottom tier? Sigh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361143
It has obnoxious midscreen crossup potential, at least.

I'm not sure why Komachi would move up in v1.10 though (she was #7 on Dim's old chart)--her 5C/j.5C bullets aren't quite as abusable. Some of her alt. skills were improved (boat ride, life drain), but I doubt that would vault her to the top. Maybe everyone else went down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361180
I think the rating is based on all games played (1.03 included) so the changes will take a while to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4360950
gg im sorry that master spark shouldnt of counted
hong is quite nice but only prob was that alt236 which absorbs? that was my only chance to graze in

[Anonymous No.]

You have to take in account that a lot of the top players do not have tenco accounts.
This page http://tenco.info/estimate_rating.cgi shows you a guess of a player's level based on how he did against tenco users.
Look for みやびん for example, and you will see that his yuyuko is rated 2450, higher than the top tenco one, which would already skew the stats if you only take the top 18.

[Anonymous No.]

Also anything that rates Okuu high has to be inaccurate.
She's improved, maybe, but still bad matchups everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

Someone host! Today I'm playing with Marisa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361278
Yeah I know, I have to work on how to use that properly. I forgot that I can hold it a few seconds; I'm not getting rid of it, though; it's gold versus Yukari lazor spam and the such. GGs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4354987
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361421
Lies I'm playing with Marisa you can't have her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4360950
Rehostan.

[Guy No.]

>>4360996
Good games, Rabbit Box. I'm frustrated, but I'll keep it to myself so I seem like slightly less of a scrub.

Hostan:

76.28.244.101:10800
USWest
Resists urge to complain after matches tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361152
Haha! Good games Guy! God damn, that Sakuya. I don't know if it's because you're used to how I play but it's taking everything I know for me to win, including cherry blossom cut crossups and ring shenanegans. Also, did you start to take pity on me during the Meiling matches? I'm definately not as good with Yuyuko as I am with Patchy, but I could actually hit you with the former as opposed to abusing emerald city.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361464
>Complain on /jp/ about neplay lag.
Always an acceptable option!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359435
Rehostan. Hopefully someone will join. hinthint

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361482
asfasfajgvnalsgkfjkas
Your Utsuho is too strong. GGs though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359435
Also rehosting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361563
GGs. With patch vs okuu, try spamming more droplets if you knock okuu down, especially if they love spamming 5C like I do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361464
I was watching a few of yours. As someone who mains Patche, and started up with Meiling, I can understand your frustration. There were many easy tricks on the board, while it looked like you were rather trying to accomplish something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4360950
Hey Su, GGs. Was it only an impression or was there an annoying delay in our matches today? At least it seemed so to me, after having played off-line for a while. Anyways, Marisa didn't work as entended haha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359435
Sorry, I quit by accident. It was a bit laggy though, but GGs.
Rehosting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361567
Sorry about that Kitsumi. I didn't anticpate that my connection issues would make lag that horrendous (since we're on the same coast), plus there was an evident skill gap (not to mention I have more lag-playing experience).

Good games, can't really suggest anything until we play under better conditions in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361621
I don't know about delay, but I did notice some annoying spikes. Someone else using your line?

I'll tell you this, you looked more like an honorable player than a troll whith Marisa, compared to using the oni. I respect traits like that, so I'd personally call it an improvement. But that's just me and my hate for easy characters. I'm no good with advice, but I noticed you were a bit unlucky with your bullet and footsie timings. When to shoot bullets, and when to rush down with melee. That's typical for players testing out new characters with different gameplay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4359435
sorry guy but family is bugging me to leave for dinner.
weren't you the one maining China? I can't tell if you were going easy on me or not.

[Guy No.]

>>4361464
Good games, Saje. I really need to work on my spacing, and not jumping into everything you do.

>>4361479
Yuyukow is harder to face than Patchy, at least for me. Also, I was trying to suck less with the Tai Ji Quan alt and play effectively without spellcards. Obviously that wasn't working too well in those last few matches.

>>4361480
There was hardly any lag, though. ;_;

[Saje No.]

>>4361464
You're frustrated? Trying to Spring Wind when I already took the Static Green alt card. Trying to use wake-up 623B with Iku against China 2A spam (or just China in general). Whiffing Tenshi's rising sword super during Scorching Sun. Somehow feeling like my Okuu of all characters had an easier time with your Sakuya than my Tenshi did. BEing during China melee spam. Backdashing against Sakuya B knives. Those matches were just full of stupidly entertaining things on my side. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a knot the size of Wisconsin on my head from all of the facepalming. Good games as always Guy. Punish me harder, please.

[Guy No.]

>>4361712
Hahaha, I was wondering about those random BEs. I just flat-out suck against Okuu if the player has a slight pulse, since she's so goddamn strong against jump-ins and my air game is over half of my game. Also, Okuu's melee is goddamn fast and eating a 3k mash when I'm doing stagger melee pressure in the corner is just downright demoralizing.

>Whiffing Tenshi's rising sword super during Scorching Sun
I admit, I laughed. But then I felt bad, hahaha.

>>4361619
I was trying to set up ways to use skills effectively, particularly that 236 Tai Ji Quan alt, but that wasn't working for me. Combine that with the fact that my spacing sucks and leaves me just short of where I should be, causing my footsies to suck and getting me punished was quite infuriating. I could go on, but I've ranted more than enough already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4360950
Rehosting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361757
I feel your pains Guy. Approaching Okuu with any melee character is definately a difficult art in 1.10. That, combined with her ridiculous backdash invincibility to escape midscreen pressure creates conditions for frustration.

Ah, I didn't know that you were trying to practice with Meiling's alt moves; I'll take it upon myself to try to develop my alts the next time we play.

[Guy No.]

>>4361835
Hey, it's no problem. The best practice is using them against someone playing the best they can. I just wish I could find a good use for the 236 alt before it hits level 4. I may just ditch the 236 skills all together and run 4 Scarlet Inch Crush, Earth Dragon Wave, and Descending Flower Slam along with various spellcards. At least those skills are useful at level 2 and above, as opposed to the former love of my life: Sky Dragon Kick. Meiling's spellcards are good enough that you'd want to put some in a serious deck anyway, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361859
What happened to your love for Sky dragon kick? You seemed rather effective with it, bouncing me off the far wall and following up with multiple kicks for over 2k damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361859
And I will continue the legacy of using your old 4 Control Rod, 4 alt. 22 Sky Dragon Kick, 4 Youmu sword system card, and 4 Earth & Sky Dragon Kick spellcard setup (+4 Scarlet Cannons since I like that move).

It works, despite the fact I could probably switch the sword system cards and Comet Kick alt skillcards out for better ones.

[Anonymous No.]

88.173.214.11:07500
eu or ec.

[Guy No.]

>>4361881
You can't effectively combo with it until level max, unless you manage to have perfect spacing, 4 orbs, and are standing in a very certain spot on the screen. If you combine that with the fact that there's no invulnerability on start-up, it's punishable on whiff, it has no graze frames, it whiffs against most characters who crouch (and since it hits high, I have to get them blocking low in order to cause a wrongblock), it whiffs against quite a few characters who just dash straight at you, and the B version is punishable on block until level 3 (where there's less of a chance of getting punished on block), then you have a fairly easily punishable, easily avoidable, easily stuffable move that isn't even worth using in combos until you max the skill.

I still have hope that someone will prove me wrong about the uses of it, but I haven't seen anything as of yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4361859
>I may just ditch the 236 skills all together
bad idea. ki blast (when leveled) and colorful rain are extremely good. kind of character specific though

[Guy No.]

>>4362119
Please enlighten me. I never ended up getting much use out of either of those skills, so I'm really curious to see what you managed to do with them. I'm not very creative, so I always love seeing what other people have to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4362137
The b version of Ki blast at level 4 goes farther than a fully zoomed in screen, is nearly indestructabo, and does high damage. It's a near instant full screen poke: extremely effective against more bullet heavy characters.
Then you have colorful rain for the melee chars. It does surprisingly high damage, is meiling's only other oki tool besides charged stomp, and is an omnidirectional anti-air. It's even more effective now that graze attacks got nerfed and don't graze on the first frame. Anyone trying to mash graze during your pressure will eat 2.5k at level 1. You can also do reset strings with it (falling ja j.rain land, for example.)

[Guy No.]

>>4362176
I have pretty good luck with running hjc 5C, cross-over/re-cross-over j.2As, and Scarlet Inch Crush as okis, personally. I'll give the 236 ki cannon another shot before Colorful Rain, since last time I tried CR I was failing miserably at using it. I wasn't aware that level max had that much range, but I'd still rather run skills that are very useful without requiring level max.

[Anonymous No.]

requesting snowy west host.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4362212
It doesn't NEED max, but that's when it's most effective. The higher you level it, the better.
One inch punch is a gimmick card. Wakeup backdash beats it if they don't have a reversal.

[Guy No.]

>>4362434
If you time it right, I'm pretty sure that you can loop it in Diamond Dust without the opponent being able to DP or backdash it.

[Saje No.]

>>4361789
GGs, Su. Pressure and air-tech punishes. Those're what you need to work on most in my opinion. Getting out of the corner against your China was too easy compared to what it ought to be. You made some decent use of Sky Dragon Kick/Comet Kick to punish my attempts at grazing out and j.2B to punish wake-up DPs (Reimu's grazes on the way up, your j.2B wasn't as good of an idea against her), but aside from that your it was pretty weak. Play against Guy some to get some good ideas about China pressure/air-tech punishes and remember to save the replays (can upload some of my own if you'd like). Rather annoying how my Patchy was worse off against your China that a lot of my alts were. Think I should stick with Spring Wind over Static Green against her, I seem to have better luck when I have an invuln move to use on wake-up... Thanks for the matches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4355665
rehosting

[Anonymous No.]

>>4362573
i'd f'd

[Anonymous No.]

Any host?

[Anonymous No.]

demanding winter olympics host.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4362519
I'm happy to recieve any advice. I already knew about my faults with preassure and anti-air, though. I've yet to practice corner strings with Meiling, so I guess I'll do that next. I've practiced air strings, so I know what to do, and mostly at what times, positions, etc.,but I've yet to pull off a perfect air combo in action. In regards of training, I'll soon have figured most of the special properties I need to put them to best use in combat. Just so you know where I stand. About your Patche, do keep in mind that Patche is a main of mine, so I know her properties pretty well (minus flame sword alt.).

Sadly, I can't play versus Guy, because of distance. There's not really much of a need for replays, as I've purged through nico nico for any good Meiling vids. All that remains is that I practice, practice, practice.

[Anonymous No.]

99.244.237.85:10800 EC bad tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4362655
I.e. I'm in the stage of ridding myself of old habits. With enough practice, I'll hopefully be able to pick up the pace, as I tend to idle often, just to think over what I should do next as a Meiling player.

[Anonymous No.]

>You made some decent use of Sky Dragon Kick/Comet Kick to punish my attempts at grazing out
I'm not sure that's something to be recommended for Meirin in v1.10 since it's a lot harder to add a followup to Sky Dragon Kick when it gets blocked.

Maybe that alt 214 Descending Flower Slam does a better job, not sure. I like psychic Scarlet Cannons (default 623) for catching people when they try to jump escape.

In other news, I noticed that the Meirin section of the SWRS Wiki needs to be updated, because it is still hailing the awesomeness of SDK from v1.03.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh Shit! Someone died on the luge.

>>4360996
Rehostan

[Anonymous No.]

>>4362763
GGs Kusogeoftheyear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4362763
GGs.
It might not show but I am terribly scared of Iku.

[Seacats No.]

71.175.58.135:10800
EC Hosting

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell, hosts are taken in a matter of seconds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363054
you mad? they get taken the moment they are posted. F5 while leaving your game on the 5th option, hear that fucking background forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363161
Or you know, turn the volume for th123 down

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363161
Yes I mad. That's what I do, but hell, >>4363043 was posted at 21:22, I immediately checked but it was already busy. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

69.244.250.103:10800 EC
I guess I'll host again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363194
>already busy

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363207
Yeah I joined as soon as I saw it just to make you rage

Sorry

[Anonymous No.]

This must be the weekend rush. When I host here, it usually takes a while before someone shows up, if at all. Well, me being from EU might have something to do with it as well.

[Anonymous No.]

76.29.15.231:07500
US Midwest

[Guy No.]

>>4362573
Good games, Disco. I hate the Meiling/Mashkuu match-up so goddamn much; I really need to get better at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363194
sfa;fjklasjfklasjfaghasgkj
Good games, Orion. Didn't stand a chance.
Rehostan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363310
>Mashkuu
Likewise. Good games.

[0rion No.]

>>4363194

Good games. Your Alice set ups are pretty good, although I feel like you don't really use your f5A and 6A very much and are trying to rely on just your ranged abilities.

[0rion No.]

76.171.238.148:10801
U.S. West
Trying not to suck so much with Remilia tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363310
I don't know about you, but I use the rapid punch 214. It literally combos from anything, even 5a/2a. Stagger 2a into 214 = dead raven

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363043
Good games Seacats! Nice Reisen you have there. I like how well you use ultraviolet fields and that Reisen alt split attack.

[Seacats No.]

>>4363448
GGs
I wan to know why every time I get over my fear of Youmu someone comes along and rapes me with her, Hard.
>>4363043
Rehosting

[Anonymous No.]

76.171.238.148:10800 US WEST

[Anonymous No.]

76.171.238.148:10800 US WEST

[Seacats No.]

>>4363457
GGs I have never been hit by the Uber-Spark so many times

[Anonymous No.]

>>4360975

When you say "don't seem to be patching right" what exactly do you mean? Are you still having issues or have you gotten around whatever problems you were having?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363457
Goog games dude! Lovely Reisen. Oh wow, I have to get some sleep, it's almost 5:00 AM here... See you around.

[Guy No.]

>>4363380
Good games, 0rion. Shame about that random disconnect, though, I wonder if it's me; it isn't the first time it's happened today.

[0rion No.]

GGs Guys. Sorry about the last game there, I yanked on my controller and it started wigging out on me.

Sigh...figures that the ONE game where I'm about to win, we DC, lol. Oh well, in the end I came really close a few times but wasn't able to get a single win. I really have no clue how on earth to fight Sakuya; you're blockstrings were just killing me.

Anyway, good to play you again after so long. Hopefully we do it again sooner rather than later.

[0rion No.]

>>4363706

>Guys
>you're

Guy beat me up so bad I'm seeing three of him! Ugh it's late...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363659
Good games Johan(?) [names didn't show up for some reason].

Oh man oh man! I knew the lag would be amazing; pretty amusing. I knew I'd have a chance of victory as long as playing conditions were terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

gg's komachisa, looks like you really picked up momentum there. I wish i knew you didnt have much time I would have changed characters. Hope to play you again sometime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363820
oh Im not johan, i used to play him alot back in the day though :] im j_money (J$). im kinda new around here

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363826
I usually only play 3-5 games at a time when it's a lagfest like that. Except when I'm desperately trying to win a game off Guy to make the score look somewhat respectable.

[Anonymous No.]

hamster hostan! somewhat new

72.193.22.120:10800 west coast

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363842
I see, my bad. The picture made me automatically assume it was him--I failed to notice the "US WEST" part. Either way, your play is quite solid (under those conditions) so I couldn't tell the difference.

[Guy No.]

>>4363844
>desperately trying to win a game off Guy

Oh a.a., you and your silly exaggerations. You guys have far too much fun giving me way more credit than I deserve.

>>4363706
Play keep away for a while. I guarantee I'll inevitably leave wide openings while I chase you down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363885
Boo. Why does Guy get all the love? Where is the love for the rest of us /jp/ regulars? Just kidding. I love you Guy

[0rion No.]

>>4363907

I love you too, Anonymous.

[Guy No.]

>>4363907
R-Really?! You mean it?

I'm still a bit SWIRRed out so I'm sticking around to see if there's anything to spectate, otherwise I'd host.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363907
>It's tough being popular.png

[Anonymous No.]

Well then, attempting to host one last time.
174.0.51.137:10800
Canadia

[0rion No.]

>>4363380

Rehostan for a few more.

[Magister !J.hpxLWh4g No.]

>>4361104
Most of them would be IRC players, but in terms of JP players ranking themselves Easy < Normal < Extra < Hard < Lunatic < Phantasm, they'd all be at least Hard, from what I've played.
Suika: xxsaznpride, ZomB
Yukari: Dimglow
Yuyuko: Icekin, Raymoo
Remilia: _cranbunny, Shy
Youmu: ZomB
Patchouli: Shy, Dollar, Dimglow
Alice: obliterhikaru, Jetm
Sakuya: Magister, asdf
Marisa: a.a, krad420
Reimu: Raymoo, Suou
Sanae: sadfacesanae (to be honest I don't fight a lot of Sanae)
Cirno: beatsstayflowin
Meiling: Guy
Utsuho: sibladeko
Suwako: ZomB
Reisen: Ketsumi
Aya: fotc, kageneko_alfa, xxsaznpride
Komachi: Magister, HeartChakra/Purple
Iku: beatsstayflowin
Tenshi: kageneko_alfa

But seriously, barely even one per character. That chart is pretty much a popularity list, not ease of use or tiers.

[0rion No.]

>>4363985

Sorry Rabbit, not sure what's with all these DCs today. Maybe there's something going on on my end.

GGs anyway, looks like I still have a long way to go to get anywhere with Remi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364087
>>4363380
Ah, good games 0rion. Where did you go? It seems my Youmu only has good shock value for the first two games, and afterwards you attacked and defended in a way that made it really difficult. The disconnect thing is probably on my side, it has something to do with when my pad glitches out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363994
Arrogant as I am, I'd say I should be on par with ZomB as a Suwako player, but we haven't played so you wouldn't know.

[Giant Tree No.]

>>4363994
>Cirno: beatsstayflowin
>Meiling: Guy
>beatsstayflowin
>hasn't played in 3+ months

Has Guy really been grindan THAT much in the past couple weeks? There was a day when my Cirno stood on even ground with that Meiling of his.
Well I feel some butthurt coming on, this could potentially be motivation to start relearning my eternal partner Cirno. Better start now.

207.119.113.123:5063
US Central, planning not to sandbag but will end up doing it anyway; expect a multi-part treeagraph about dropped bnbs tier

Uh, I feel like I'm forgetting something.
... Oh well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363866
sorry i can't take anymore annoying ass marisa for today. ggs

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363866
Good games there hamster. A few concerns I have is it seems you're mashing on wake up a lot, something you might want to work on. That and all the air teching. When will people stop air teching so I need to do something else to get some damage?
Anyway keep up the good work. Until next time

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364129
thanks...i play a little bit better usually but my head just isn't in it right now. i probably woulda played longer but you're the 3rd marisa in a row i've played today and i'm starting to see her when i close my eyes -_-

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364120
Well, good games, even if it was only a few. I feel like I've annoyed you now... I hope it wasn't my sudden change to fighting in typhoon. I guess I'll have to play you another time tree.

[Anonymous No.]

I close my eyes, and see you before me
think I would die, if you were to ignore me~

[Giant Tree No.]

>>4364120
Sorry Yggdrasiface, I'm done.

That's not how this game is supposed to fucking be played at all; that's a bunch of random mashes at inconsistent times. j.2A j.5C? LOL NO, random 6C instead.
This piece of shit isn't for me, I'm done trying. Whatever I may have been able to do before I have zero patience, I can't even do a single bnb.

Cirno agreed, I can't play this, and I'm not even going to bother anymore.
Rage-uninstalled.

You're cool though, you have fun playing this. I sure as hell wouldn't if I kept going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364198
It's cool dude. Didn't realize there were so many Marisas around. In my defense I've played her since IaMP, but meh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364214
No Tree, don't go! I still have faith in you! What am I to do without your treeagraphs?

[Anonymous No.]

71.220.174.107:10800 WC/EC ONLY

FUCK YEAR WEEKEND + PRESIDENT'S DAY

[Guy No.]

>>4364221
I didn't realize we had that many Marisas around either. I hardly ever get to fight Marisas.

>>4364214
Oh you, Tree. ;_;

Hostan:

76.28.244.101:10800
USWest
Bittenfeld.

[Giant Tree No.]

>>4364239
I'll spectate you assholes and write treeagraphs for whenever both players give one-line "GGs" or something.

I can't play fightan, might as well deal with it and move on. Doesn't mean I can't still play in theory.

[0rion No.]

>>4364214

Tree noooooo

[Giant Tree No.]

>>4364255
>I'll spectate you assholes

... OH WAIT I JUST UNINSTALLED FFFFFF
Tell you what, I'll make up stories about both players instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364250

So gay boy how do you feel after playing ANOTHER Marisa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364221
you don't need to defend yourself for playing who you want to. i'm not good enough yet to blame characters, hehe
it's all on my side, just too many marisa's beating up my poor maid today :3

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363272
ITT Duckator kills me with 90% of the cast
GG

[Anonymous No.]

>>4363272
Good games. 50 is enough for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364249

Urrgh.. The lag. Sorry about that dark.

Anyways, ggs. I'll wait for a good moment for un-laggy session.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364250
>No 66C nor spell card use from Yggdrasiface in the two games that I spectated.
A pity, since his Marisa is pretty good otherwise. He's handling Guy's pressure better than I usually do.

[DMI No.]

>>4364351
No problemo! :)

[0rion No.]

>>4363380

Rehosting one more time.

[0rion No.]

>>4364464

Too much lag. Rehosting again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364464
Too laggy for you I guess?

[Anonymous No.]

lag but, lag
GG anyway.
Bodeguin here

[0rion No.]

GG bodega. Sorry, it looks like the lag might be something on my end. Maybe the neighbors are torrenting the internet or something.

Oh well, time for bed. -_-

[Guy No.]

>>4364250
Good games, Yggdrasiface. It feels like your Marisa got a bit better. You're a bit too happy with those wake-up DPs, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364250
Good games Guy, nice to fight you again after all this time. Your Meiling certain has come far from when I last fought you. It's painfully obvious that my defense needs some work. And thank you for blocking my air tech traps and helping me figure out what to do when someone does block it.
Fun fights though, some of the more enjoyable in recent times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364637
Yeah, I got a bit cocky when I caught you in the graze version a few times. I'm just not used to people actually baiting my DPs. Which reminds me, I should go work on my deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4364361
Oh, and thank you for considering my Marisa decent. Helps me keep going. And if you kept watching I did use 66C and spellcards eventually. It's just not easy when you fold under blockstrings.

[Anonymous No.]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.]

Actually, it'd probably be better to make a new thread now, since it's about 4 posts away from the post bump limit.

[Anonymous No.]

Make one then, faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Bump for host and for new thread.