/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people think Japanese is a hard language to learn? I was born in Japan and moved to Canada when I was 12, and learning English was extremely difficult compared to JSL students I had met in Japan. Even now, some 11 years later, I still have difficulty with some English because it's an evolutionary language and hardly follows any rules.

The hardest thing I can imagine for an English person learning Japanese would be memorizing kanji, but even then it's a breeze when you understand individual strokes. Even then, hardly anybody I've met uses kanji outside of a computer, and even then it's automatic.

[Anonymous No.]

WHERE IS EPISODE 3, GABE?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345859

It'll be out when it's done.

[Anonymous No.]

Nope, this thread just couldn't be a troll, not with that image. No sir

[Anonymous No.]

Meanwhile at Valve

[Anonymous No.]

ENGLISH: Easy Tier
JAPANESE: Hard tier
YOU: Shit tier.

If you disagree, you're WRONG. Enjoy being WRONG.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know. I watched a few animes and now I speak Japanese fluently. My conversations go something like:

Me: Konichiwa.
Them: Blah blah blah.
Me: Wakari mashta. (Regardless of what they said.)
Them: Blah Blah Blah.
Me: Nara hodo.
Them: Blah blah blah.
Me: Domo arigato.

*I bow and leave.*

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345859

Gabe ate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345872

Shut up ニガー。

[Anonymous No.]

For every "Gabe is fat" joke, Episode 3 gets delayed one month.

[Anonymous No.]

Of course Japanese seems easy to you. It's your native fucking language. And of course English seems easy to us, because it's OUR native language, but anyone who thinks that it's genuinely easier because they had an easier time learning it since they were born is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345859
He's working on it, personally

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345916

I learned English and then Japanese (born in Korea), and I can say English was easier to get started with, but the intricacies of the language confuse the fuck out of me, ie: word order absolution in long sentences, words being used as nouns and verbs and adjectives while retaining the same spelling.

Fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345874
そうです．．．

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345933
Yeah, English is pretty weird like that, which is why it's beautiful and expressive. You won't regret learning it.

[Anonymous No.]

English was easy for me to learn, but I'm Dutch which uses the same alphabet and is somewhat related to English so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345933
Now try to imagine having mastered that language from an early age and gotten used to intricacies and exceptions

then trying to learn a language where there aren't any.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345891
Ha, It's never coming out then.
Hell it still would be 100 years before it came out if you changed it to one second for every gabe is fat joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345967

Keep in mind I learned English (or rather began learning it) when I was 16, and I learned Japanese when I was 22. It took me some 10 years to grasp English enough to type like I am now, but it took only a year and a bit to have "good" Japanese skills. English was easy to get started in, but after learning several verbs, adjectives, and nouns, the hardest thing was piecing together sentences.

English ideally follows a SVO word order, but this is rarely the case for sentences longer than 5 words. In Japan, they follow a SOV word order, and every sentence (no matter the length) will always follow the order.

[SonnyRay No.]

This is "pasta", right guys?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345991
It only shows that you're retarded.
One can easily learn english in a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>Why do people think Japanese is a hard language to learn?
It's an excuse for failing or not trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345999

No. It took me about two years to form sentences, but I was perhaps at a grade 5 skill level in America. I could say things like "Bob's car is blue" or "Bill is late for class", but longer sentences I couldn't do. I moved to America when I was 18 and could get by, but if I wanted to explain something indepth, I would use a translator.

Admit it or not, English is a tough as fuck language to learn. Maybe not if you were born in an English speaking country, but in the case of 90% of the world it's not the same.

[Anonymous No.]

English is easy only because of its amount in daily life.
Otherwise, Japanese is easier to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345999

>learn an entire language in one year

[Anonymous No.]

Learning any language would require a great deal of time and patience. If there isn't enough reason to blow that much time on it then obviously they wouldn't do it.

Besides, users from /jp/ are the last people that should be complaining about others being lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346006
Well, your mother's language has a different alphabet than English, and is closely related to Japanese (unlike English). It's natural that Japanese would be easier to learn for you, just like English is easier to learn for Europeans.

[Anonymous No.]

English was easy as hell to me and it's not my native language. I just played RPGs since I was a kid and BOOM, fluency. The keyword's immersion, dunno why the OP still finds English difficult after being surrounded by it for 11 years though. He's probably either a troll or mentally retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346055

>korean alphabet
>at all related to Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

English is a stupid language, that's why so many people can learn it, it's just too easy.

[Anonymous No.]

French = WTF Tier

Japanese is shit, only the writting is complex. derp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345957
Beautiful? Yes. Expressive? Not that much.
Other languages are much more rich in that aspect. Then again, other languages are a bitch to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>Even then, hardly anybody I've met uses kanji outside of a computer

yeah, this is true. Japanese books, sign and everything are all written in romaji for gaijin reading pleasure. Only websites and games are japanese and we have rikaichan for that.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346139
>implying that he didn't know what the OP meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346139
Work on your English before you worry about another language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346094
French = We dont like that word so lets make our own version of saying everything, and devote half our government funding to regulate the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346194

Much better than stealing english words like every other language does. Spanish is pretty much english with an -o tacked on to every word. Shit annoys me for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346243

Please delete this. Everyone will make fun of you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346164

it's still bullshit. Every Japanese can use at least the kyouiku kanji easily in handwriting unless they are really retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346243

Jesus Christ; how retarded can you get? English is 90% other languages like German, French, Spanish, Chinese, etc. God damn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346291

You just made yourself look almost as stupid as him. Good job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346080
Korean is more closely related to Japanese than English at least, dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.]

No, the kanji is not the hardest part of the language.
As with every other language, the hard part is learning the 10,000+ words that allow you to live without having to use a dictionary every 5 minutes.

Since every language shares this, the grammar part barely plays any role in difficulty. Every language is hard as fuck to learn properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346291

I think he's trolling.

ITT trolls trolling trolls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346194
Yeah, they call downloading télécharger. Doesn't that sound retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346318
Kanji is fuckhard to learn if you're not a visually oriented person.

I can't even remember all the kana/hiragana characters after all these years yet I have a huge English vocabulary for an ESL. The only reason Japanese are good at art is because their culture forces them to be visually oriented.

I bet, like women, they can't remember any part of a spoken conversation from the night before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346351
It took me about 5 months to learn the kanji with Heisig's method. That was about 2 years ago. Since then I learned 3-4000 new words and I'm still very, very far off from being comfortable. I still can't read any VNs without AGTH and a dictionary running, since there's a semi-rare word every 5-10 sentences or so.

So no, kanji is truly the easy part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346379
Then you are just a visual person. Most normal people can't (ever) learn to differentiate between two characters where one has a slightly shorter stroke next to the upper and middle ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346351

japaneseartversuseuropeanart.jpg

[Beatrice !cuQ.1SfV9g No.]

>>4346388
Which character(s) are you referring to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346351
>Japanese
>good at art

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346415
Jealousy detected

[Nefelpitou !!UBVETENFsHS No.]

>>4345848
>Why do people think Japanese is a hard language to learn?
Hi Jap-canadian. Jap-American here, I don't think I've ever seen a foreigner that's fluent in Japanese in person unless they went to an international school or grew up in Japan. I've seen a few on TV but even then they're usually カタコト. So I'd say its fairly hard, I had an easier time learning English since I started when I was 5 but I know plenty of people that have gotten 900+ scores on their TOEFL　after being in the US for a year or two, so I don't think it's as terrible as you make it out to be. Maybe the perceived difficulty was because you were 12 at the time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346407
Just 2000 of the 5000+ available.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346388

Good thing you don't need to be able to tell the difference.

Do you sometimes look at word and think "Oh god, is that a capital i or a lower case L? I don't know what word this is"

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346388
Sorry, but I have to call bullshit.
Things like this comes naturally with experience. Of course you mix up characters at first, but if you use the language a lot you learn to spot the differences instantly.
Most normal people can learn the language just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346388

don't try to remember them by looking at them. Learn to write them. Even just slightly different Kanji won't look similar to you once you know how they are written.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346415
Japs makes the best art. Just take a look at pixiv and compare it to deviantshit. You can already tell which is better just by looking at the front page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346388

If there are two kanji that are indistinguishable except for "slightly shorter stroke next to the upper and middle ones" I'd like you to show me them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346434
Like you need to even read all the letters to recognize a word in English.

Sietuds hvae atcluly swhon you can eiasly raed a stnecene as long as the fsirt and lsat ltreets are in the rhigt pclae.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346455
Currently not on a PC that has Jap fonts installed, so I can't paste them, but their alphabet is made up of hundreds of characters that differ only by there being a small little stroke or dot next to it or not.

We're talking characters that look insanely complex too, like 30 strokes or shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

i cant read japanes handwriting. its like a whole new set of kanji sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346458
Thisisamazing.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346444
This is currently on pixiv's front page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346423
I think the main reason you see lots more non-native English speakers who speak English well than non-native Japanese speakers who speak Japanese well is because there are a lot more foreigners who move to English speaking countries than there are foreigners who move to Japan. It's all about immersion. I've been living in Japan for 5 or so years but I wasn't raised here, and my Japanese is good enough that people sometimes mistake me for a Japanese person on the phone, I do have an accent though.

Also I agree that most foreigner "talents" on tv suck at Japanese, but sometimes there are sumo wrestlers who are pretty good. I don't watch a lot of tv though so I wouldn't really be able to name names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346455
there's stuff like 力 and カ but it's easy to tell apart if you have the words around them

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346467
Yes, because 30-stroke kanji are in common use.

Also,
>dot

Show me a kanji that has a small dot in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346472
I've seen incredible things on the front page of DeviantArt

Doesn't stop the majority of the site from being intolerable shit. Same principle applies to Pixiv, only in reverse.

So what's your point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346480
English also has I and l , let's see you tell the difference between those two without anything around them.

[Anonymous No.]

German here; I'm learning Japanese in uni right now and the hardest part so far isn't kanji, but conjugating verbs and adjectives and differentiating between verbs and adjectives.

とてもむずかしいです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346481
Well, small circles at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346488
Not fair, since you're comparing a letter from a different character set with one from another (upper/lowercase). L and I look distinct enough, as do i and l.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346488
depends on font

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346423
>. Maybe the perceived difficulty was because you were 12 at the time?
This

[Anonymous No.]

Why doesn't Japanese have spaces like most other languages? This could remove the use of particles and kanji entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346489
Only a few of them conjugate in an irregular manner. They are much easier than German verb inflection and memorizing plural forms of nouns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346485
>So what's your point?
Not much, just a combination of making fun of pixiv and mild trolling. It's obvious that deviantart has even more shit than /b/,

By the way, this is also from pixiv's front page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346512
>spaces replacing particles

uh...

[Anonymous No.]

Sure is full of people talking about linguistics when they don't know shit about it.

Shut up and come back when you actually know what you're talking about, people.

Sage because this thread is shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346491
>circles in kanji
Are you sure you weren't reading Korean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346518
What the fuck did you do to Ymir??

[Nefelpitou !!UBVETENFsHS No.]

>>4346512
>remove particles
This would make you sound mentally challenged.
>Kanji
Kanji is part of the culture already, a lot of double meanings of texts and puns would be lost.

And besides, spaces and lack of Kanji in Japanese would look silly and waste space.

[Anonymous No.]

I love English plural forms. It's so simple! Just add an s or es to anything!

Ideally it would be like that. I teach English in China and it's tough to explain to children that sometimes this rule doesn't work. Ex. wolf -> wolves, goose -> geese, etc.

Even harder to explain are quantity-determinant nouns like "crow", "bird", etc. Murder of crows, flock of birds, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346497
But 力 and カ are also from two different character sets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346512
Adding space to Japanese wouldn't help at all.
The beginning and end of words are already easily distinguishable even for an intermediate level student.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346539
Explaining "flock of crows" et shouldn't be hard ot any Japanese or Chinese speaker. Their languages do that with every fucking noun.

(This is presuming you're talking about Mandarin, I don't know anything about Cantonese).

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346532
No, there are small circles even in kana/hiragana, like pi and pa.

[Anonymous No.]

シツ
かカ
りり

Can you tell the difference between these?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346561

Yes, but every word is different. Flock of birds and murder of crows works with them, but this only happens for some words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346564

I have a problem with Katakana "so" and "n".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346563
So you're saying you can't tell the difference between は and ぱ huh? Interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346564
shi tsu
hiragana ka, katakana ka
ri ri - doesn't matter which is hiragana and which is katakana since it's the same sound.

If you mix up the two ka then you don't know shit about Japanese. Hiragana ka has 3 strokes, katakana has only 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346563

You are fucking retarded. That little circle is a diacritic mark; that circle always represents "change h with p"。

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346564
With the exception of the first pair, there's no need to. And the first pair isn't that bad when you have it beaten into your head by every teacher in existence to try to tell them apart.

The only kana I have trouble with is distinguishing things like ば　and ぱ　when the font is small.

[Anonymous No.]

ゴッダムばか

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346563
Those don't exist in kanji, and in kana they are always at the upper right corner.
Quite hard to mistake those for something else...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346574
Like I said, I'm on a PC that doesn't have Jap fonts installed, so I just see two square boxes right now. But I'm saying one can't easily tell the difference between ba and pa - they look EXACTLY the same only one has a small circle and the other has two little strokes (which at quick glance looks like a circle).

Fucking retarded. None of our vowels look the same. AEUIO, all clearly distinguishable from each other.

[Anonymous No.]

When on a computer シ and ツ and ン and ソ look very obviously different. When written by hand they can be hard to read but so can letters like u vs. v in English, again from the context you should be able to tell which is which anyway.

Your other examples mean the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346598

Wow, you're a real moron. Anyone can recognize the difference when written out or typed. Goddamn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346580
That's not so hard either, even if they are only a few pixels in size.
" is usually displayed like this (imagine pixels instead of X)

X X
X X
X X
o is displayed like this:
X
X X
X

So basically look for vertical or diagonal lines.

[Anonymous No.]

俺一体何を読んでるんだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346612
Gah, forgot the limitations of html.
Bottom one should be like this
.X
X.X
.X

[Anonymous No.]

The only thing I occasionally fuck up in Japanese is ム and マ. I have no idea why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346603
No, you're just visually oriented, like I explained. To me, it's retarded how people can't remember what they discussed last night, but that's exactly what many people who are good at memorizing visuals can't do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346603
o rly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346616

     ahahahaaha

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346564

if you can't tell the kas or shi and tsu apart you need to kill yourself. The two hiragana ris look the same because you took the same character twice. You actually can tell them apart in most computer fonts:
りリ

They are pretty identical in handwriting but like there was said before there's nothing you can do wrong but mixing them up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346620
>need to be visually oriented to detect whether or not a circle is present

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346616
>>4346612
hahaha I bet this guy can't triforce

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346622

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346632
And REMEMBER what the difference is, or that two characters that differ only in such a small way even exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346643
But when the font is small like in my pic you do have to squint to see where the pixels are.

imo this is the only legitimate complaint in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346620
And I already told you that it's bullshit that 90% of the normal people are not visually oriented and can't tell Japanese characters apart.
You just don't have enough practice in reading them.

From your posts it's quite obvious that your biggest problem are the kana, so you barely even started with kanji. In other words, you're a complete beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346641
>triforce
It's like you're telling us that you discovered 4chan during endless summer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346655

Do you normally type in 6 size font? I use 10 or 12 size font at 1280x800 and can read it perfectly.

[Anonymous No.]

Protip: when the font is small, the diamond is always the circle and the square is always the ".

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, can I ask a stupid question?

What does "visually oriented" mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346675

Apparently it means you're able to distinguish a line from a circle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346657
>you're a complete beginner.
Like I didn't know that, I only tried learning a bit of it years ago, and like I said, nothing has stuck, because it's ridiculously hard (which was also why I quit).

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346675

A visually oriented person is someone who doesn't complain about how tough kanji are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346689

>kana
>hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346675
It's a great excuse for giving up on Japanese.
It sounds much better than "Fuck, didn't think this would be this hard, I thought I could learn it while watching dubbed anime".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346678
Har har, very funny.

Christ, I can't believe you guys never heard of it, the difference between people who can easily remember sounds or visuals. Are you all underaged or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346678
I lol'd

[Anonymous No.]

You don't have to be "visually oriented" to learn kanji, you're just retarded at learning foreign languages if you can't distinguish shit with practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345848
Sigh. Any language is fucking difficult if you don't devote most of your time being exposed to the language. Sure, English is irregular but that doesn't stop many people from being fluent at it. Why? Because we listen to English songs, watch American movies, surf English websites, play untranslated videogames ALL THE TIME.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346655

there are 8x8 fonts where there's actually no difference at all. Those are fucking nightmares anyway. I did some kanji tables on romhacking.net for old games (means no context) that had 8x8 fonts, they really suck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346705

I'm the dude you quoted; I know exactly what you're referencing (ex. spacial, visual, etc learner), but the way you're using it as an excuse is so retarded. A blind man knows the difference between a set of two dots versus a circle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346704
So you ADMIT it's hard, how then can you deny it's a difficult language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345957
>>4345957
>>4345957

sorry to go back to a post from a while ago, but English is a fucking gutter language. beautiful? you best be trolling. it's such a dumb language that just a few centuries ago it was for only commoners while all official practices were held in latin and the like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346712
Jesus, now you're even including the sense of touch? Stop convoluting this any more than you already have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346675
Having an easier time than the average person when memorizing something visual, like a picture or a character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346689
It's not hard, it just needs some fucking time and practice.
You don't have to be "visually oriented", you just need to read a shitton of Japanese to be able to read kana and kanji without having to think or mixing them up.

That shit takes several years, you shouldn't be disappointed just after a few months of studying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346738
But after a few months of studying I could read some French, German and English. So you're still claiming Japanese is easier than those?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning Swedish right now so I can't give a clear pointer on how to learn Japanese, but if you ask me I would start with the hentai doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346714
Learning Japanese is hard. The hardest part is not giving up, since it takes so much time. It's mostly a test of willpower and endurance. You have to learn the kanji, grammar, thousands of words...

But no, telling ba and pa apart is not hard, that's just practice. After reading a few thousands of sentences with kana and kanji your eyes will instantly spot even a single pixel of difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346743
After a few months of studying you can speak a lot of Japanese if you memorize a phrasebook.

But you won't be able to read novels or such, same with French or German.

Just because you can say "H-E-L-L-O T-W-O T-I-C-K-E-T-S T-O P-A-R-I-S P-L-E-A-S-E" in French you still don't know shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346719
>implying latin wasnt just fancy italian talk....
"whatsa matta me ,whatsa matta you..."

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese is about on par with English, I think. Kanji have multiple readings and all that, but when you consider that we essentially read English words in chunks and often pronounce two identically spelled words differently based on the context ("close" and "close", anybody?) there are a lot of similarities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346705

You seem to be arguing that non-visually-oriented can't see the broad side of a barn

[konakona !MpEqQLgus2 No.]

>>4345872
>disregard that i suck cocks

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346777
It doesn't matter what you can say after such little time, it matters what you can read. And I could read more than such a simple sentence.

Not so for Japanese. You need to study everyday for a year just to learn how to read a kid's manga.

This while I learned English by myself at age 10 just by playing adventure games.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese is usually defined as one of the most challenging languages to learn. Plus, it's built up extremely differently from any Western language, so we don't have that crutch to lean on either.

So yeah, it's definitely a big challenge to anyone who's not from Asia. But since it's just a language, which is supposed to be possible for everyone to learn, it's not something you have to wreck your brains over. It's just a lot of memorization, time consuming stuff that few people enjoy doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346804
I had to study Italian in high school for 3 years. We got most of the grammar down, but I couldn't read shit because I only knew whatever small vocabulary the textbook covered.

I highly doubt that you could read anything non-trivial in any language with just a few months. You simply don't know enough words.

But whatever, it really doesn't matter if Japanese is harder than French or not. I don't really care about that. Why are we even talking about this?

The debate was about whether some characters are "impossible" to tell apart or not. It seems most of /jp/ shares the opinion that you just need to read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346858
>Why are we even talking about this?
Because that was the OP's original topic.

And I'm going to bed right now, so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

yeah even in smaller fonts, eventually it's not all that hard to read kanji by general shape and context. the strokes and radicals sort of fall to the wayside after awhile.

i've caught myself a few times being able to read a sentence just fine, kanji and all, but then having trouble reproducing it on paper

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346804
>You need to study everyday for a year just to learn how to read a kid's manga.

Except no. I studied Japanese pretty lazily for about four months. I could throw together simple sentances like "私はホモです" or "それは何ですか？. I didn't even know dictionary-form verbs could be used outside the dictionary (thanks, University courses).

Anyways, I decided to just dive into manga with nothing but a dictionary and a grammar reference. Took me 3 months to get to vol 7 all of Yotsuba (didnt have the rest at the time).

So no, it doesn't take a year of daily practice to begin reading children's books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346929
That's the same for everyone. It's MUCH harder to speak and write than to read and listen. Even in your native language, you can understand tons of phrases that you would never use, or would misuse.

>>4346935
It's so fucking wrong that they start with desu/masu right at the first class... it makes everything lots more complicated, including students not even knowing the dictionary form of verbs.

[Anonymous No.]

While this thread's still going, what is /jp/'s opinion on Rosetta Stone? Is it worth paying for (and by 'paying for' I mean torrenting).

[Anonymous No.]

>>4347252
It's pretty much a complete waste of time and bandwidth. You'll never learn Japanese with that one.

[Anonymous No.]

Latin, Chinese, Japanese, and Literature student reporting in.
I want to become a linguist.

[Anonymous No.]

By itself, Rosetta Stone is completely worthless.

Combined with other study materials, however, Rosetta Stone does make an excellent paperweight.

[konakona !MpEqQLgus2 No.]

>>4347335
which did you prefer learning, jap or chinese? which was harder? im currently semi-fluent in japanese (can hold a conversation, read manga) and am thinking of studing mandarin this year

[Anonymous No.]

>>4347335
Go take some fucking linguistics then.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>4345874
I've read your post in Kate's voice.

I hope you don't mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4346512
>This could remove the use of particles
Yeah just like how English doesn't need words like at, to, with, of, etc. because it has spaces.

[Anonymous No.]

GABE IS FAT

[Anonymous No.]

>>4349407
Sure is /v/ around here!

[Anonymous No.]

English is my second language. Its shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4349382

[Anonymous No.]

All healthy humans are born with the innate ability to acquire any human language very rapidly. It's like learning to walk.
If you remember this then progress will come easily and quite naturally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4349485
You have to let it all go, Anon. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. Free your mind.