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[Anonymous No.]

Let's speculate on the end of Umineko.
Battler and Beatrice impale the shit out of Rika and Hanyuu, Rudolf cries manly tears.
Battler and Beatrice have one last battle, and Piece Battler becomes Shirou and saves everyone. He punches Shannon in the tits, and kicks the crap out of everyone else who is involved. He defuses the bomb. George ends up with Shannon in the end, Battler and Jessica end up with no one. They lose out to George.
Then either Battler or Jessica becomes the next head, and whoever doesn't becomes a hobo.

Meta Battler kills Meta Beato, because he promised in red. He too, becomes a hobo.

[Anonymous No.]

>umineko
get out

[Anonymous No.]

>>4331942

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

ep 7: they kill erika
ep 8: they kill bern/lambda whatever
ep 8 ????: battler goes to the mystery side again and solves the mystery but doesn't want to leave beato's side

somehow bern is still alive and her ice cold heart was melted something something she manages to keep beato alive
good end

[Anonymous No.]

>>4331938
Yeah, I am rather annoyed that George is going to get the girl(?) in the end. Seriously, George? The fuck man? He's George!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4331959
>Episode 7- They kill Erika
Uh....

[Anonymous No.]

>>4331962
The moral of the story is if you work hard in school, everything will go your way. As opposed to your more handsome and popular cousin who ends up being a hobo.

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>>4331968
And if you like a womanly looking guy, he's actually a girl. Unless you knew that to begin with.

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>>4331975
I personally believe that everyone is going to stay dead and have a good end in the after life. And Kanon will finally gain a penis.

[Anonymous No.]

Battler stops being a vagina and reveals everything about the Rokkenjima massacre. He realizes that he's becoming as obsessed as Kinzo was with Beatrice, and it's harming everyone around him.

As foreshadowed more than enough, without the illusion of the witch, Beatrice can no longer exist, and she "dies" content knowing that Battler fulfilled his promise to her. Meta-Battler either gets a hobo end, or the meta world ceases to exist when the mystery is solved, like what happened in EP3.

Piece Battler gets his good end, because he's the only bystander in this goddamn story.

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>>4331998
I only place him and Gohda above being involved.
Seriously, they should have a BRO end in which they just find a canoe and get the fuck off the island.

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>>4331998
Pre-Shkanontrice. I would've hated that ending.

Post-Shkanontrice. I pray the ending is like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332005
Ah, Shkanontrice, Shkanontrice. An interesting theory, but it's not too pretty for the Pieces.
Think about it. Whenever George and Jessica were killed, they were killed by their love interests. That kinda sucks, man.

Oh, and naturally the three cousins are going to have to Ro-sham-bo to see who gets the DID meido in the end. If anyone.

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>>4332015
Don't feel bad for Jessica. She knows about it, or should.
Do feel bad for George. PROPOSE TO GIRL, GET MURDERED.

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>>4332015
Not to mention Shkanon will obviously need to be punished by law for being such a cunt, so really, all three of the cousins get nothing.

Only the adults are happy, in Shkanontrice.

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>>4332023
Yeah, Jessica knows about it. There was a flashback in episode 6 which had her broing out with Shannon and Kanon at the same time. Which makes me question her, quite honestly. Not that she's evil, per se, but uh, you know, if Shannon is Kanon, it might have been nice to inform George about it.

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>>4332026
Really, I want the adults to be happy. I want Rosa and Maria to repair their relationship. Happiness through staking is ridiculous.
Happiness through living is fulfillment.

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>>4332046
But that also contradicts how George was aware the trial for love was coming, but only Jessica wasn't.

Shannon even says to Kanon, "What, you haven't told her about this yet?"

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>>4332058
I don't know. There's several ways to understand the love trial.

If you are going for the personas struggling kinda deal, it doesn't really account for Battler and Beatrice getting blessed in the end as well.

Because all three should be the same person, ergo, two should lose, not just Jessica and Kanon.

Unless you understand it in a completely different fashion. Which is to say, of course, that all four people ended up together, but all six people didn't.

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>>4332073
...What? Beatrice and Battler were knocked out of the trial way before Kanon lost to Shannon.

The only reason everyone was "blessed" in the end was because they all went to the Golden Land.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332073
Well, interesting. Really, the only REASONABLE way I myself could see Jessica not knowing about Shannon = Kanon was that she herself was crazy, but I don't think we should dive into that right now.

[Anonymous No.]

Meta Battler already killed Meta Beato.
Also Hanyuu stated in red that you can not bring the old Beato back. So there you go - she is dead and gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332082
Only two pairs got married, in the end. Shannon and George, and Battler and Beatrice. I find it odd that they just didn't include Jessica and Kanon, is all.

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>>4332097
Fascinating.

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>>4332090
Doubletrice?

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>>4332097
...What? Everyone was blessed in the end. Including Jessica and Kanon. Did you actually play it or are you basing your argument off of spoilers?

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>>4332100
They were all blessed in the end. But Jessica and Kanon did not get married, unlike the other four.

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>>4332103
Well, gay marriage is illegal in the Meta-World, you know.

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>>4332103
Since they still ended up together either way, it's kind of moot point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332114
Not exactly, no. It's a bit random. Just odd, is all.

[Anonymous No.]

Seems Op was at /seacats/

[Anonymous No.]

I honestly have no idea how it would end, but I would want it to end this way:

Most of the truth has been revealed, and the culprit(s) has pretty much been narrowed down. The culprit(s) insist that they are not guilty, until the trial starts going bad. Then he/she pulls a gun out in the meta world and starts shooting EVERYONE. Most or all of the remaining furniture, as well as Battler and Beato have an awesome fight while the last of the truth is revealed (Dlanor is yelling her usual SENTENCE TO DEATH while this is going on).

I guess from there you could go pretty much anywhere, hobo end, happy end, sad end, etc.

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>>4332125
OP here, nah. This isn't copy-pasta or anything, thought of this off the top of my head.

Course, we could have SHKANONTRICE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING GRIMDARK FICTION END also.

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>>4332132
Oh god, even if there is a decent amount of foreshadowing for a fiction end, I really hope Ryukishi doesn't take such a depressing route.

That idea is truly pretentious, is the purest form of the word.

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>>4332149
Nah. I doubt a fiction end would occur. Episode 4 had it made clear that the golden land is no subsitute for life.

Like, remember how Maria is happy with her Mama? Her empty shell of a mama? That would be the same as a fiction end.

I'd be all for Shkanontrice becoming three different people in the end, but I doubt the answer is that pretty.

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>>4332103
That was odd. Why the hell didn't she and Kanon get married? For god's sake, you let GEORGE get married.
Freaking GEORGE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332176
George and Shannon had already been planning to get married. Kanon and Jessica had been dating for about 12 hours.

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>>4332195
Well, I suppose. But Battler sure as hell didn't give a fuck about marrying Beato right there on the spot. Kanon should have manned up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332218
Kanon is a bro. Hell, he got shot to death by Shannon, but did that stop him? Fuck no it didn't. He turned into Japanese Ninja Batman and saved Battler from the horrors of being locked in a room.

[Anonymous No.]

Rudolf becomes the detective. Kills Kyrie, who is the culprit.

Also Battler kills Beatrice. Because Beatrice can never live

[Anonymous No.]

Jessica and Kanon didn't marry because they lost the love duels. George and Shannon married because they won.

Battler and Beatrice married to fanservice all the shipperfags. Next episode Beatrice will just die again, so Ryukishi thought they needed a break until then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332232
Kills her with his penis, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332251
Dying in Umineko isn't really a big deal. Seriously. And George should play his cards correctly, he could end up with a harem if he's careful enough.

[Anonymous No.]

Kind of funny people are discussing Shkanontrice when we disproved it last night.

And the night before.

And the night before.

God dammit how many of you anons are there? Everyone needs to be online at once!

[Anonymous No.]

Beato and Battler have a good end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332260
True. Watch: Ryukishi is probably bringing Erika back again too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332267
I regret not being here last night due to studies.
Inform me on this development, because I really hate Shkanontrice

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332267
At this point, Shkanon is almost definite, and past that Shkanontrice and Jessitrice are equally likely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332267
Shkannontrice was disproved since this red text appeared. Beatrice in Shannon's body can't be in any of the rooms, because she isn't a victim. Therefore Shkannontrice is denied.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332267
Bro, if you did disprove Shkanontrice, well....

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have link to that page with the searchable Umineko script?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332291
Well, crap. But good work!
But crap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332291
> Beatrice in Shannon's body can't be in any of the rooms, because she isn't a victim.
Except the reasoning for why Kanon did not leave the guest room and yet did not exist in the guest room in Episode 6 is that the personalities are not considered to be present when they are not "active", so to speak. So Beatrice wouldn't be there either way, and she wouldn't need to be there, because it is not required for the person who is Beatrice to have committed the final murders of Episode 6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332311
The issue is that the persona would need to activate at some time. Once Shannon or Kanon die in a locked room, that body can not move.

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>>4332311
There's also the possibility that Beatrice is being counted among the victims, as if she is Shannon/Kanon and they get physically killed, then she gets killed as well.


On a side note, if I'm not mistaken, the only people besides the Meta characters who remember what happen from game board to game board (in fantasy scenes, at least) are Shannon and Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332316
But it wouldn't. Why do people keep thinking that Beatrice has to continue functioning in Episode 3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332320
Rather, not "counted among" but "included in".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332320
That was a fantasy scene however, so you can't completely take its word that they were actually in a prison.

Considering how close Kyrie and Jessica's calls were to each other it's also unlikely they were in a prison either.

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>>4332304
>>4332304
>>4332304
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>>4332323
People think that Beatrice is the only one that could have killed Nanjo.

Except we have six other likely suspects.

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>>4332332
Kyrie and Jessica, the fuck were they up to?

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>>4332332
That wasn't my point at all. The fact that Shannon and Kanon are the only ones of the human pieces to have memories of previous games in fantasy scenes is a hint of some sort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332337
I thought Hideyoshi and Kyrie were the only ones who could really have pulled it off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332338
Clearly they could be working together.

Suddenly that EP 6 battle isn't suddenly so random.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332341
Once you eliminate the others, then yes. Kyrie is the more likely, because Nanjo's killer probably killed George as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332343
Also, Jessica uses hellfire when she fights (albeit due to mega-buffs). What happens to Kinzo's body in the first four games? It gets burned in the furnace, except in the one Episode where Jessica "died" early. ("Died" because she may have faked her death somehow.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332347
BURNING KINZO'S CORPSE
BURNING KYRIE
TROLL FAECING
ALL FOR KANON

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332268
Battler an Beato will never have a good ending

[Anonymous No.]

I have an idea - Kanon was killed in the guest room. What do you think, everyone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332352
:__:

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332347
Yeah, fire has become one of her motiffs, I'd almost write it off as chance, but Kinzo's medium rare body in episode 2 makes me wonder.

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>>4332278
Shkannontrice and Jessitrice are not equally likely at all.

Jessitrice makes no sense because Jessica would not need to create another personality to be loved by Battler when Battler described his ideal type of girl AS JESSICA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332376
implying shkannontrice makes sense, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332377
More sense than Jessitrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332376
Meh, we had a fight about 6 years ago and the shenanigans before, did we not? The answer is going to be highly convoluted regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332381
You don't honestly believe this, do you

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332360
By whom? Battler already left the room, Kanon locked the chain lock, and Erika was too busy turning off the water.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread turned into a boring and tired discussion of the usual theories. I'll come up with a better one:

Erikatrice. Just TRY and disprove it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332396
Erika is DEAAAAAAAAD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332391
By Erika.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332396
Knox's 1st
At least go for Ghodatrice

[Anonymous No.]

Hideyoshi or Kyrie have to be one of the main culprits, the episode 3 'cigarette' scene seems to imply this. Kyrie wouldn't take Hideyoshi out to just 'question' him, she definitely had some other motive.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember at the VERY BEGINNING OF UMINEKO, when Maria was Battler's love interest?

That was rather odd, wasn't it?

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>>4332415

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>>4332396
Simple, Erika doesn't exist, therefore ERIKAtrice cannot exist

This level of reasoning is possible for anon-san

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332424
No, I don't remember that at all.

[Anonymous No.]

The Chiru Opening displays at the end both the magical side (with the previous GM and her minions) and the pieces side (Battler with George-Jessica-Shkanon; supposedly there aiding/supporting him).

So... what if Shkanon exist but 'their' purpose is to oppose the mastermind? They'd be going shenanigans every episode so they could stop/catch the culprit at time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332429
Erika did exist. She existed as a person in Episodes 5 and 6. It's just that she's dead now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332429
>Erika doesn't exist
# [Definition check. That "three people" refers to the number of bodies, correct? That means three bodies went in and out, right?] Of course. Three people, that is, three bodies, went in and out of the room. Only you and Kanon entered, and only Battler left. I already stated with the red truth that all names refer only to the actual people. Therefore, the names "Erika", "Battler", and "Kanon" refer only to the actual people.

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>>4332429
If Erika doesn't exist, who cut off the heads of the five in EP6?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332433
Aiding Battler? All they do is die. UUUUUUOOOOOOOH!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332400
>>4332435
Not Meta-Erika, Piece-Erika, who is actually a Good Girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332447
By good girl, you mean, yandere nutjob?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332448
Sure. That's why she killed the five in EP6, because she found out about their plan to fake their deaths and murder everyone.

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>>4332433
Jessica is on that side too though, and at this point, it's either Jessica, Shannon, or Kyrie as the culprit.

One could argue Hideyoshi, but we have fuck all foreshadowing for it. Hell, the only reason he is suspicious is simply because he isn't suspicious.

Kyrie seems like your standard mystery red herring, like Eva was. Ryukishi loves his retarded TWEESTS, I simply can't see him going down a Kyrie end simply because she's the only one who you could think is intelligent enough to orchestrate a mass murder. And the fact that she dies first twilight two of the first four episodes, without question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332539
George, Rosa, Maria, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332539
I'd say all three.
Ever see Clue?
They're ALL guilty!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332549
George is on that side too, Rosa is a Rudolf tier jobber when it comes to dying early, and Maria can't be the culprit because she's an autistic nine year old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332586
Maria is just a retard that caused everything bad to get worse.
UUU BEATO IF YOU STAKE EVERYONE WE'LL GO TO MAGICAL CUPCAKE LAND UUU

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332591

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>>4332598
Should be UUU mad, but yeah, I'm mad. Shannon listened to a retard, and stakes people to death so they can go to the happy fun place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332539
I think Moon-chan would make for an interesting culprit, shit would be troll of the century. Course, same with Kyrie as well.

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>>4332611
whoa whoa whoa slow down there cupcake. Who says that Shannon didn't tell Maria about Beatrice? Her occult ideas had to come from somewhere, right?

It's not like she made this shit up, it's taken word for word from Alistor Crowley(he was the one who assigned the demon names to the seven deadly sins and invented the demon hierarchy that Gaap and Ronove are from). She couldn't have known this herself.

Rosa DEFINITELY didn't let her get a hold of these texts, so the question remains: who the fuck taught her? Remember, the occult shit is in Kinzo's study, which she had no access to (not to mention she can't speak English).

[Anonymous No.]

why are the siestas so fucking cheap

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332643
Ah, so, Shannon is the retard. Makes sense I suppose.
Goddamn you Beato. You had George, you had a best friend, and you kill them because a twelve year old broke a promise to you.
Really. You slaughtered tons of people..
Because a twelve year old, broke a "promise" to you.

By the way, the promise better not be the pony shit. Battler better have made a vow, or some shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332666
I don't fucking know maybe because THEY'RE NOT REAL.

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>>4332643
> Aleister Crowley(he was the one who assigned the demon names to the seven deadly sins and invented the demon hierarchy that Gaap and Ronove are from).
Wrong. He merely translated the Lesser Key of Solomon, or published his own edition or something, and it was someone else who did the classification of the seven deadly sins.

> The guy who originally did the classification of the seven demons with the seven sins was Peter Binsfeld, a German auxiliary bishop and witch hunter. He was born in the 16th century in the small town of Binsfeld, in the district of Bernkastel-Wittlich. He wrote a book, which was very famous at his time, Hexentraktat, in which he argues that witches do exist and explains how to find, interrogate and execute them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332666
Because they're guns. Or bunnies.
Or guns that shoot bunnies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332666
Because Rosa probably found them in some cheap souvenir shop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332676
Ah, wikipedia BLOW YOUR MIND time?
I dare you to search up the protagonist of "Murder, She Wrote", I DOUBLE DARE YOU MOTHERFUCKER!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332681
I know already, that Jessica Beatrice [something] person. Have some more trivia, and a wikipedia link.

> The references to Dante's Divine Comedy are both obvious and subtle. While Beatrice and Virgilia are rather straightforward, more easily missed is that the Stakes of Purgatory's relative ages directly correspond to the order of the terraces in 'Purgatorio' as Dante and Virgil ascend towards the meeting with Beatrice (Pride first, then Envy, Wrath, Sloth, Greed, Gluttony, and finally Lust.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rappaccini%27s_Daughter

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

EP 7: Kanon's real name is revealed: he is Uroshimya Battler, son of Asumu.
You heard here first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332691

>>>/rs/Kanon_And_Battler_Are_Different_People

[Anonymous No.]

What's Shkanontice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332691
His real name is Yoshiya.
At this point, if the REAL Battler existed on the game board, it would have to be Jessica.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332695
Where the fuck did that red come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332702
>>>/rs/His_ass

[Anonymous No.]

In AS they spot a double sprite error during the "then... I knew" secuence. Intentionally or not, a happy Rosa and carefree Battler replaced the sprites of this image

Remember the talk between Rosa and Kyrie back in EP2? Rosa said somewhere that when they meet, they end up saying weird things.

Rosa confirmed for accomplice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332686
Her middle name was Beatrice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332704
Rosa confirmed for dead, almost all the dang time. In episode 2, Kyrie is confirmed for pinata.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332706
>>Jessica Fletcher (born Jessica Beatrice McGill, and writes under the initialed J.B. Fletcher) is a fictional character portrayed on the American television series Murder, She Wrote by veteran Tony-winning actress Angela Lansbury

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>>4332695
Just to add, this could explain a lot if it was true.
Kyrie team - "second" Battler's mom, wants him to become the new Kinzo v.s. Kanon team - wants to take over Rokkenjima. This would be something like Shiki v.s. Shiki, as R07 is a fan of Tsukihime and all.
But who am I kidding, Battler is 19 years old, and Kanon is only 16.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332676
Alright, you win the occult dickwaving contest, but my actual point still stands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332718
Damn, I was willing to chalk it up to coincidence if her name was just Jessica, but that pretty much confirms that Ryukishi is reverse weeaboo.

Favorite movie is Jaws, watches Murder, She Wrote, Agatha Christie fan, goddamn.

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>>4332723
Yeah, and Kanon is a girl, and even if he wasn't, in episode 6 his name is said to be Joshua. In red.

I do not kid you when I say the most likely candidate out of all the pieces on the island to be the second Battler is Jessica.

If, indeed, the second Battler exists.

[Anonymous No.]

The Game

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332733
Well, it'd be funny as hell if Jessica was the second Battler. But I think that whole mystery is a bit of a red herring in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332714

You know who else was confirmed dead all the time?

Takano

The fact that Rosa has only survived past the first twilight twice in six games, and one of them even being only to the second twilight....is suspicious as fuck right there.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't want it to end because I know this won't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>Battler and Beatrice impale the shit out of Rika and Hanyuu

People honestly believe that?

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, everyone keeps saying that Jessica's birth was ~so vague and surrounded in mystery~ but I'm not sure why. Can someone explain this to me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332759
Unfortunately, a body double trick doesn't work for Rosa in this case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332704
Well, Rosa is obviously up to SOMETHING. Look at the shit she says in EP2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332774

/r/ this image:

"I definitely won't abandon you"

and then

"Battler-kun, I have concluded you are the wolf"

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332794
Rosa treats Battler like her own child.jpg

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>>4332774
She pulled a Natsuhi. Quite frankly, I don't think Rosa is a mastermind so much as she is someone who gets a bit less credit than she deserved, and fucks up people's shit. When she is allowed the chance, of course.

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>>4332814
>She pulled a Natsuhi.

But she has no reason to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332814
Rosa is hella smart. Every time the epitagh is solved, she has SOMETHING to do with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332819
Meh, Jessica had no reason to in episode 4, and yet she did. Bastards, the lot of em.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332768
Yeah, Bern will be redeemed, or just simply escape.

That image song coats it thick, even the title.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332846
Fun fact: The instrumental of Bern's image song is Jessica and Kanon's theme. Make of that what you will.

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>>4332852
Well shit.

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>>4332820
This. She solved it as well in EP3, this is almost fucking confirmed.
And she knows Kinzo's fate by what I can tell. Somebody probably fed her the info, so I doubt she's pulling a Natsuhi.
And it's almost clear why she would keep everything for herself. After everything went foobar, she had to hit and run.
I believe she halfway solved the epitaph in EP2 and failed to either disable the bomb, or to conclude Kuwadorian was the only safe haven, and tried to escape with some gold.
Failed epically in the process.
If you want me to shit bricks, just state in red that Rosa did not commit murder in EP2 - something I fear R07's going to pull in EP7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332852
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfljvI5f0U&feature=related
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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>>4332876

[Anonymous No.]

Alright Kanon = Battlerfags, sorry to break it to you, but, straight from episode 6:
# Battler and Kanon are different people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332867
Rosa doesn't NEED to commit murder. Hell, she could have just iced Eva in episode 3, but she doesn't.
Rosa is pure awesome. Really, she is. Episode 5, Battler solves the epitagh, who tells him that one hint? GUESS WHO?

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>>4332846
Honestly having Bern or even Lambda just escape would be boring. Having them leave Beato's game in the same state that they went in would suck, especially if they are supposed to be "reader" inserts like some have suggested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332891
Yeah, people don't give Rosa enough credit, she's pretty fucking brilliant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332891
Was it the same hint she gave Eva in EP3? I'm thinking that part of solving the epitaph might be removing all the のs from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332892
Well, there is no way Ryukishi is killing off his Rika clone, nor is he going to erase Lambda.

[Anonymous No.]

>Every mom gets an episode dedicated to her except me
>Natsuhi gets two

What the fuck, Ryukishi? How can you justify this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332903
Original epitaph:

懐かしき、故郷を貫く鮎の川。
黄金郷を目指す者よ、これを下りて鍵を探せ。

川を下れば、やがて里あり。
その里にて二人が口にし岸を探れ。
そこに黄金郷への鍵が眠る。


鍵を手にせし者は、以下に従いて黄金郷へ旅立つべし。

第一の晩に、鍵の選びし六人を生贄に捧げよ。
第二の晩に、残されし者は寄り添う二人を引き裂け。
第三の晩に、残されし者は誉れ高き我が名を讃えよ。
第四の晩に、頭をえぐりて殺せ。
第五の晩に、胸をえぐりて殺せ。
第六の晩に、腹をえぐりて殺せ。
第七の晩に、膝をえぐりて殺せ。
第八の晩に、足をえぐりて殺せ。
第九の晩に、魔女は蘇り、誰も生き残れはしない。
第十の晩に、旅は終わり、黄金の郷に至るだろう。


魔女は賢者を讃え、四つの宝を授けるだろう。
一つは、黄金郷の全ての黄金。
一つは、全ての死者の魂を蘇らせ。
一つは、失った愛すらも蘇らせる。
一つは、魔女を永遠に眠りにつかせよう。

安らかに眠れ、我が最愛の魔女ベアトリーチェ。

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrMpK0mYcS4
Don't mind me, just going to be redeemed:

If I
Seemed to be a demon
Then lets praise me
For a little bit
Even if blood flows when you grip
Onto my cold, white, little fingers


Your smiling face from the distant days
Is never found
But if I'm at fault
Then someday

Please, from your heart
Hate and kill the cruel me

If the wounded words decay
And the redness that scours this world vanishes

Please, please, please smile
And kill the cruel me
Don't grieve
If you vow to kill me
Then the shining blueness will fall upon the two of us

Someone, please smile at me
And learn of the unnoticeable truth
I want you to grasp my fingers that tremble too much
I wonder why you're sad like this

[Anonymous No.]

>Let's speculate on the end of Umineko.
Kinzo is alive and is the culprit and it will be explained somehow and piss everyone off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332911
That's because if he gave Kyrie and Rudolf an Episode, he'd have to do flashbacks, and thus he'd have to reveal early on what Asumu looked like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332913
WHY THE FUCK IS THIS PILE OF GRIMDARK JESSICA AND KANON'S THEME AS WELL GODDAMNIT RYUKUSHI HOW MANY MORE TROLLS DO YOU WANT?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332911
Japan hates intelligent women, who are superior to their husband.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332912
With the のs removed:

懐かしき、故郷を貫く鮎川。
黄金郷を目指す者よ、これを下りて鍵を探せ。

川を下れば、やがて里あり。
そ里にて二人が口にし岸を探れ。
そこに黄金郷へ鍵が眠る。


鍵を手にせし者は、以下に従いて黄金郷へ旅立つべし。

第一晩に、鍵選びし六人を生贄に捧げよ。
第二晩に、残されし者は寄り添う二人を引き裂け。
第三晩に、残されし者は誉れ高き我が名を讃えよ。
第四晩に、頭をえぐりて殺せ。
第五晩に、胸をえぐりて殺せ。
第六晩に、腹をえぐりて殺せ。
第七晩に、膝をえぐりて殺せ。
第八晩に、足をえぐりて殺せ。
第九晩に、魔女は蘇り、誰も生き残れはしない。
第十晩に、旅は終わり、黄金郷に至るだろう。


魔女は賢者を讃え、四つ宝を授けるだろう。
一つは、黄金郷全て黄金。
一つは、全て死者魂を蘇らせ。
一つは、失った愛すらも蘇らせる。
一つは、魔女を永遠に眠りにつかせよう。

安らかに眠れ、我が最愛魔女ベアトリーチェ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332917

I wouldn't be AS ANNOYED if we got a Kyrie-episode eventually...but since Umineko is wrapping up and there's only 1 or 2 games left, I doubt it's going to happen at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332917
I see what you did there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332913
> 性善説
> "belief that human nature is fundamentally good"
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332931
But the culprit always gets an episode centered on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332913
Title - 性善説 - Shouzensetsu - belief that human nature is fundamentally good

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332926
So does that change the translation in any meaningful way?

Personally I'm still partial to the Taiwan theory. Maybe because it reminds me of a time before Shkannontrice when we finally thought we were starting to figure things out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332892
Bern needs to stay. End of story.
Killing her with the "she's evil" argument is pathetic.
Lambda is true neutral. So is Bern, somehow.
Beato is a construct. She can die for all I care. She was created to be killed, FFS.
>>4332925
Yeah, but R07 has a western fanbase as well.
Nigga better not dis mah Kyrie. Bitch better be da dawg in EP7, y'all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332931
Stop saying there won't be a Rudolf-Kyrie episode.

I want to fucking believe ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

I want Bern dead. DEAD. But Bern is Rika and Ryukishi can't bear to kill her...or anyone, for that matter.

Jesus Christ Ryukishi, man up and kill someone FOR REAL this time, will you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332937
>>4332934
THEY SEE ME TROLLING

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332951
I'd love to have Jessica die if she's the culprit. Hell, whoever is the culprit should die with a huge-ass troll face on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332951
Problem, Anon?
Can't handle pure, undiluted truth?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332939
Right, I don't think they should be killed, but maybe have them learn a little empathy for the pieces or something before they leave? I dunno, SOMETHING.

I never really found Erika a compelling villain, because for everything that happened to her, Bern suffered almost no consequences. Even when her side loses at the end of Ep6, Erika gets erased from existence, while Bern gets to borrow Beato's game and play it with her old buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

The Stakes' image song is hilarious, simply because of the lightness of the tune in contrast to the subject matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMPdbuu8pjY

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have the photo of a signboard of Bernkastel-Kues with Bern's evil nipah~?

[Anonymous No.]

God I love Bern...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332974
Bern thinks her old buddy is a bitch.
Really, she starts going moralfag when Hanyuu shows up.

Which really scares me.
Or maybe Hanyuu will just be a way for Ryukushi to include the popular theories, and shoot them down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332994
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333001
Episode 7 is going to be Bern trolling George and Jessica. Seriously, that's what it'll be. The adults already hate each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333017
Trolls can't troll trolls.
Seriously, just you wait. FINAL BOSS will not be Rika or Hanyuu. Final boss will be the culprit(s).

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333001
Maybe AuAu will do something so evil that Bern will want to be less evil as a result?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332913
Lambda will heal Bern's deep emotional trauma with hot lesbian sex.

On that topic, I've just recently thought of this, but what role do you guys think Lambda will play in EP7? I'm secretly hoping for Auau vs. Lambda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333035
They both CHOWED DOWN ON HUMAN ENTRAILS.
THEY ATE HUMAN.
FUCKING.
ENTRAILS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333055
YOU ATE BOVINE MUSCLE TISSUE.
BOVINE.
MUSCLE.
TISSUE.
They are witches, they can eat whatever they want. Haters gonna hate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333066

>implying things self aware are equal to things not self aware

[Anonymous No.]

Is Furfur evil because she's a furfurfagfag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4331938
I don't care about the means at this point.

This series has me by the emotional genitalia, and it's got an iron grip. I just want a depressing meta-hobo end. Pieces are fine, Battler goes home to Ange. Moetrice regains all of Beato's memories and remebers how she lolwanted to die. Battler kills her, and as stated before, he starts out calm and prepared but completely just falls apart and breaks right in front of his dying waifu.

Meta-world collapses or maybe meta-Battler just abandons it and leaves Lia and the Stakes and everyone hanging around there, waiting to see if he'll show up. He is a crazy magic ronery hobo who stops to look at every butterfly he sees just in case it's gold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333066
Vegetarian spotted. But no, eating delicious cows who are animals and eating humans is a bit different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333086

>Implying humans aren't animals

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333083
Well, shit.

;____;

[Frederika Bernkastel No.]

>>4333086
Not to me; it is not. Lowly human.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333089
>implying that eating something that is not self-aware is the same as eating something that is

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333083
This sounds pretty plausible.

The only thing is that will Beato actually want to die anymore? Pretty sure the reason why she was so suicidal was that she thought Battler would never remember their promise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332304
>>4332333
It's on archive, jesus...

http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/umi1.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/umi2.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/umi3.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/umi4.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/umi5.html

http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/tea1.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/tea2.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/tea3.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/tea4.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/tea5.html

http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/ura1.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/ura2.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/ura3.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/ura4.html
http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/ura5.html

http://no-info.no-ip.info:6224/Umineko/Umineko.rar

Also, if you download rar and put BGM folder from umineko into same directory, you can play music while reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333031
She is the final boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333101
Promises in Umineko are a serious fucking buisness. So yeah, Beato is dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333114
But I meant that because he remembered the promise, it wasn't really an issue anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333120
Well, he said in red he'd kill her....

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333101
True.

Well, maybe after Battler is a hobo for a couple thousand years and Beato's spirit or presence or what have you has been just kindo of chilling for a while in the game room, she decides she wants some more Battlersex so she starts to try to come back to life or something? Don't put it past R07. Meanwhile, Battler is nostalgic and drops by to see Lia and everyone. He's too attached to leave again, so he just mopes around and not even the Stakes can cheer him up.

Then one day while he's drinking tea he sees a golden butterfly and he's hypnotized by it and the memories of his waifu. He follows it outside...

...where Beato is sitting and also drinking tea. She start to laugh at him for looking stupid and takig so long, but he cuts her off with a tackle hug.

Oh god am I really this shipfaggy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333131
He already did that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333146
RYUKISHI CONFIRMED FOR /jp/EDO.

ONE OF US

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333147
He wasn't the direct reason she died, though.

Would be easy for Ryukishi to push it as meaning he needs to kill her "with his own hands."

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333147
He said "I'll kill you"
Not, you'll die in vague circumstances somewhat related to me. He promised to kill her. And once she dies, the illusion is lifted, and I think, I do indeed think, he can go back to the gameboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333146
>Oh god am I really this shipfaggy.

It's fine, at least half of us here are fucking hopeless shipperfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333162
Honestly, I don't think there's even solid proof he said it in red. I thought the whole GIANT RED TEXT thing was just to make things more dramatic - like I highly doubt Beatrice was actually thinking in red earlier.

Well, I still think Beatrice will die either way. I'm just not convinced that Battler is going to kill her, especially with how he spent almost all of EP6 crying over her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333171
At this point, would he want to?

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone clue me in please? Battler said he'd kill her in red? I'm not sure I remember that...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333178
Pretty much this.

I am one, and yet I wish for a hobo end. Though the hobo end here I would be okay with.

[Anonymous No.]

Inspector Clouseau solved the crimes. End of story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333183
During EP4 tea party, Battler is ranting and raving about how he'll never forgive her. Beatrice says, "If you're going to kill me, just say it."

Then "I'll kill you" flashes across the screen in giant red letters, in the same style as Beatrice's "please kill me" internal monologue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333083
>>4333146
Why can I see Ryukishi using this?

And why would I be okay with this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333217
Because Ryu is a shipperfag and you are too.

The first step of solving a problem is admitting you have it.

Hello, I'm Anon, and I am a giant fucking BatBea shipperfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333146

This... this is my favorite of the ending theories so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333212
So, Dattler said he'd kill her, then, with intention of killing her, he stuck blue spears into her one by one, then she died, and people think 'it was something else'? This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333264
Oh god I actually feel a little bit happy about this now. I like my theory too, Anon. Brofist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333266
Yeah, pretty much.

Like I've said, I think Beato will die, but I doubt Battler will be directly responsible for it. He went to amazing lengths to keep her alive in EP6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333276
Well of course he did. When you kick over a sand castle by accident you're usually more careful around piles of sand after that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333083
>>4333146
The spirit of the pony theory is strong here and that is good. Once in a while we need to quit the Shkannon/Moon-chan circlejerk and regress to what we were circa November/December, when our beliefs were strong and our jpgs were kinzo-vision.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333230
My name is Anon and I am also a giant BatBea shipperfag.

[Anonymous No.]

Beatrice won't die everyone will get a good end we'll cry for the culprit like we did for Takano but everything will be okay please ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333383
I don't know, another perfect end would feel pretty bad for me.

Fiction end would be just as bad, only on the opposite side of the spectrum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333403
Whether it's sad or not, I just hope for an ending that wraps everything up without leaving you feeling empty. A fiction end, no matter how well it's pulled off, would make Umineko feel pretty cheap. The pieces wouldn't seem like real humans. I'm scared Ryukishi isn't going to solve the mysteries because he just wants to say, 'you can go ahead and figure out how it happened!', once he reveals the culprit. There is too much risk in how Ryukishi is going to finish Umineko.

[shipperfag]I want Battler to hold Beatrice like he did in Ep 4, as he solves the mystery and the metaworld collapses like glass around them.[/shipperfag]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333428
> I'm scared Ryukishi isn't going to solve the mysteries because he just wants to say, 'you can go ahead and figure out how it happened!', once he reveals the culprit.
...What's the problem with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333476

Cop out. A murder mystery should NEVER be a "draw your own conclusions" ending. Fucking never.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333477
This, I may have made the mistake of getting into Umineko for the supposed mystery, but he can at least throw people like me a fucking bone and lay out everything, to see how accurate our theories are.

[Anonymous No.]

Ryukishi want us to use our brain. He will definitely expose the culprit. But not like in higurashi, "So, the big bad is x, yeah.".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333477
>>4333479
Basically, this. It would be unfair for all the people creating ideas to be left without closure by the end of everything.
And as said, it's retarded of a murder mystery to do that. He should know that, considering he's trying to make a parody of the whole genre.

[Anonymous No.]

Double hobo end, starring both Piece and Meta as our lovable hobos.

Especially if it's Jessitrice, fuck off cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm hoping Meta Battler suicides at the end because he's smarter than Bern and realizes that the Meta world is NOT a place you are meant to hang around. Get shit done for your other selves and then return to being dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333856
...well then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333428
Then beato disintegrates

TTGL anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333083
>>4333146
I like this.

Therefore, Ryukishi should use this.

Any complaints?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4335976
That's a flawed process but I like the ending so no complaints here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332771
Jessica fags are probably not here until later.
But i can explain this:

-Natsuhi and Krauss tried to have a children for years and years, without a sucess. They are trying for so many times that Natsuhi feared she was infertile.

-Suddenly Kinzo comes with a baby from god know where and gives it to Natsuhi saying to adopt it as her children (the gender of the baby is not specified).

-Natsuhi proceeds to go paranoid and ''kill the baby'' becoming delusional and in denial afterwards.

-Then magically, after all this, Jessica is born.

Remembering that we have no red for these scenes, we can rewrite three possible theories:

1- In truth the baby that was killed was not Jessica but the true Natsuhi's baby. As Natsuhi entered in denial after killing the baby, its highly likely that as she conviced herself that she didnt kill the baby she could have convinced herself that she killed the adopted baby and not her real baby.

There was initially a hole in this theory as ''why would Kinzo adopt a girl'' but its easily explained if Natsuhi original children was a girl.

Thus the adopted baby is really Jessica.

2- Going from this theory we can relate the ''second battler'' birth and make ''him'' a female, and thus Jessica.

As Kinzo wouldnt chose a random baby to be the future head wife he could have put her hands on Asumu's daughter and made a deal with her.

3- The most usual theory but at the same the less likely: the baby could have survived and somehow slipped in the island.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336021

The baby is Battler 2. Confirmed in EP6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336026
Well i didnt read that. But it makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

The meta-world actually takes place entirely in Beatrice, aka Shannon, deluded and crazy mind.

After the events, Shannon went even crazier due to killing mostly everyone and realizing there was no magic and her psyche went to pieces.
The witches symbolizes a strong emotions that became several different personalities.
The meta-world is a battle between the different part of her psyche, with the revelation of the truth to the world at stake. The battles are based on several "what if" stories about what happened on the island.

-The murderous part of her who doesn't want to reveal anything and just want to continue the "game" aka Lambdadelta.

-The part of her who just want to reveal everything without caring about the reputation of the people who died, Bernkastel.

-The part of her who want to protect the reputation and memories of these people yet still want to proclaim the truth, Battler.

-The part of her who started all of this and just want to die.
She gave the role of the protector, her knight in shinning armor, to Battler.

Hachijou Touya managed to find Shannon and decided to keep an eye on her, the meta-world is a sort of role playing game where Shannon plays all the roles and Hachijou decided to write episode 3-6 based on that.

Game will end with Ange and Juza finally cornering Shannon.
Juza will pull out a gun and reveal that he is Battler and will finally explain what really happened on the island.
Seeing how pitiful and crazy Shannon is, Juza will finally decide not to kill her.
Ange will get back her brother, Shannon will show signs of becoming better, the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336053
no

[cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF No.]

>>4333146
too beautiful

[Anonymous No.]

Battler will die.

But his soul will chose to go back in time, the the time when he was happiest, and he will be at umineko first episode.

Hanyuu who loves Battler want to be with him too and want to be in a time when Battler'd love her, but since he already loves Beatrice she'll go back in time before Battler is born, and became his Asumu.

[Anonymous No.]

EP7:
Shkanontrice is denied
Shannon = Kanon is denied
BOMB is denied
Fiction end is denied

FINAL DESTINY

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336107

>BOMB is denied

Impossible.

[cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF No.]

>>4336107
if he was able to pull that logically, bravo
also add Jessica in all her variants denied and you're done

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336111
Except it isnt.
People so warmed up in shkanontrice x all the others that forgot to discuss and just accepted BOMB.

I wouldnt put it past ryuukishi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336107
Best end is best end

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336107
If it denies Jessitrice as well, go for it.

If not it's just as bad as anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

Asumu is the real culprit, she's dressed up as Nanjo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336026
Stop making shit up. Nothing about the baby from 19 years ago was confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336071
Shit, you worked in the Asumu = Hachijou theory. Nice job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336114
Dude. SOMETHING explodes at the end of every Episode. It's probably the boiler, but that doesn't quite explain the supposed extent of the devastation. There are most likely explosives of some sort laid out around the mansion and guesthouse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336184
Boiler explosions are pretty strong you know

[cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF No.]

>>4336184
add a gas leak before and you're done

[Anonymous No.]

>>4336192
>>4336198
That works, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4332718
That's not what Jessica is about.
Jessica is a witch with blue eyes.

SPICE MUST FLOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>4333083
>>4333146
I...want this ending.

I want this ending now. I want it badly.

It's like a hobo end that makes my heart hurt but doesn't make me an hero due to RYUKISHIIIIII.

[Anonymous No.]

Whoa.

How is this thread still up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4337735
/jp/ is slow today?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't want this thread to die, it's better than the followup thread. ;_;