/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

What is the easiest way to learn Japanese online? Two reasons, I have a couple friends who are from Japan and I find speaking English with them is a bit of a struggle, and I hate dubs AND subs on anime.

thanks in advance /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308480
If you have to ask, you cannot do it.

[Anonymous No.]

Rosetta stone, kanji flash cards, hang out at japanese-speaking forums

[Anonymous No.]

Animooted

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308527
>Rosetta stone
No.
Anyway, fuck off to /lang/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308527

I googled Rosetta Stone, this looks really good. Thanks.

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

i'll speak japanese with you
:3

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308545
OP, you can't learn Japanese with Rosetta Stone. It doesn't teach you everything until after you need it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308546

yay japon frend :D

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308545
Rosetta Stone has some value as a supplement for a real learning program, but alone it's inefficient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308552

What do you suggest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308527
>Rosetta stone

Out. Now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308564
Go get the Genki and Remembering the Kanji textbooks. Also, get "The Difference Between Japanese Particles", and some Japanese grammar dictionaries. Be prepared to practice kanji everyday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308576

I'm actually only interested in speaking and listening to Japanese at the moment, later on I'll learn kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308583
Then fuck off back to /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308583
>later on I'll learn kanji

No you won't. Give up now, you don't have the dedication to learn a new language.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think you have friends.

Learning Japanese to watch anime is a shitty reason.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308613
>the british began phasing out kanji
>romanji

10/10, would rage again

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308480
The fact that you have a valid reason (friends) will make learning much better because you'll stick with it. Good luck OP

[Anonymous No.]

Knowing Japanese is a dumb goal. You don't "know" English. Do you know what abecedarian, acouasm, or adelphepothia mean? Nope. Just start trying to use the language and enjoy what you find out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308641
Yes, friends will always be a factor in motivating a person towards years of hard work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308598
>Learning Japanese to watch anime is a shitty reason.
You don't know shit.
I've learned English by and for the purpose of playing computer games, and I'm doing just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308715
It's true. Most people only know English for movies and video games. Myself included.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308715
>English, 26 characters
>Japanese, 3000+ kanji

Keep on trolling bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308598
This. You should be learning it to play eroge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308764
You're some kind of moron aren't you? You just compared words and word parts to letters. It's not like each kanji is completely unique and shares no elements with other kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308764
Look at how oblivious you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308734
I learned a LOT of Mandarin so I can explain to Chinese Engineers how to manufacture and test our products. We do send instructions in English but only the high up business types speak good enough English to understand them and they don't understand the technical terms.

Still it was pretty fun turning up and being able to chat with people and being made fun of for pronouncing things strangly.

[Anonymous No.]

ｸｲﾝ ﾗｾ ﾏﾅﾄｶ ﾄﾃﾆｶｿｸ ﾝﾗﾅｽ ﾆﾐｾﾅｶ ﾘﾁﾐｷﾅﾁｷｲ ﾆﾐｶﾗ ﾏﾁｾﾁﾐｲﾄｲ ﾁﾐｼ ﾝﾗﾅﾑﾘﾘ ﾘｲﾁｽﾐ ｶｸﾆﾄ ﾘﾁﾐｷﾅﾁｷｲ ﾆﾐ ﾐﾗ ｶﾆﾓｲ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308825
>no Kanji
>All katakana
I hope you're trying to prove a point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308825
alice margatroid
ﾁﾘﾆｿｲ ﾓﾁｽｷﾁｶｽﾗﾆｼ
marisa kirisame
ﾓﾁｽﾆﾄﾁ ﾉﾆｽﾆﾄﾁﾓｲ

[Anonymous No.]

A ﾁ
B ｺ
C ｿ
D ｼ
E ｲ
F ﾊ
G ｷ
H ｸ
I ﾆ
J ﾏ
K ﾉ
L ﾘ
M ﾓ
N ﾐ
O ﾗ
P ｾ
Q ﾀ
R ｽ
S ﾄ
T ｶ
U ﾅ
V ﾋ
X ｻ
Y ﾝ
Z ﾂ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308772
Fuck, are you me?

[Anonymous No.]

I have a question about kanji. Right now im working through the genki textbooks(just started though)and i was wondering should i learn the kanji as they are taught in the book and pick up the rest afterwords or should i learn them alongside the book with flashcards or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308785
>>4308789
So you're saying learning kanji is easier than forming words from the 26 characters from the english alphabet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308887
see
>>4308613

[Anonymous No.]

OP: First, learn all of the Hiragana. Print out some sheets of them, and test yourself. The japanesepage.com is good to check that you're writing and pronouncing them correctly, along with examples of simple vocab.

Rinse and repeat for Katakana.

Then learn the first basic set of Kanji.

THEN you are ready to start actually learning the language.

Incidentally, this is the point I've got to and i have absolutely no idea how to progress from here without buying a textbook. Anyone have any ideas? (I am willing to accept that I may just have to buy a textbook, though...)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308878
There's a tattoo shop in Myrtle Beach that has a sign like this, except some of the characters are written backwards. I always feel conflicted when I see it. Do people really deserve to be permanently branded with nonsense just because they have no knowledge of japanese?

I'd feel better if I knew that the artists were doing this intentionally, but it'd be pretty weird to go in there just to ask.

[Anonymous No.]

My kanji bank is now somewhere between 200-300.

How much before I can read Flyable Heart?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308938
I'm at 1500 and can't read shit. Goodluck.

[Anonymous No.]

LEARN JAPANESE IN A MONTH

Day 1: Hiragana & Katakana. All of it.
Day 2-7: Grammar.
Day 8-28: 100+ Kanji/day.
Remainder: Review.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308956
And you won't be able to read anything. Grats.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE
Here you go. You asked for it you bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308956

That's what I pretty much did (except I did it in a week). As long as you're not a lazy retard, do this, and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308938
Just look them up as you read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308956
You better be trolling. Don't expect to be able to read shit before at least 1 year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308956

You should write a book

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308943
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

Thanks for that... makes me feel much better....

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308897
i know not to skip them its just if i use a kanji that hasn't been taught yet in genki how will i know its being used correctly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309006
How do I dictionary?

[Anonymous No.]

I learnt japanese for playing eroges, anime and vidya.

>>4308943
You lie. I'm at 1000 and i can read almost every manga ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309021
how did you learn. post tips

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

ここから日本語だけで喋ろう。

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309025
grammar by books.
kanji by checking dics, both english->japanese and japanese->japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309033
いいだろう

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308672
> Do you know what abecedarian, acouasm, or adelphepothia mean?

hurr

only some pretentious faggot would use shit like that, to try making others feel they're worse than he is.

it doesn't work on anyone but self conscious losers.

those words have no use in actual conversations.

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

>>4309045
でも俺むずかしい漢字はまだよくわからないからできれば使わないでくださ
い。

[Anonymous No.]

非処女なんかゴミクズ同然
エロゲのヒロインは主人公と結ばれる為に生まれてる。

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309058
I'm a native english speaker and I don't know what those mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309033

When I read that my brain says "this from Japanese only let's talk"

I have to wait a second or two for my brain to process it as "From now on, let's only talk in Japanese."

I don't know how to explain my problem. I guess I'm trying to translate Japanese into English instead of understanding the actual Japanese. How do I get around this?

[Anonymous No.]

YesJapan LESSONS ONLY account. Do not interact with George. Do not watch videos.

Supplement with your pirated Rosetta Stone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309075
Immersion. Same way you learned not to stand there like a chud for 30 seconds to process English.

[Anonymous No.]

>YesJapan
WHAT THE FUCK, EMIRY!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308917
If you have a basic understanding of sentence structures, try reading a few interesting Japanese newspaper articles daily and use a dictionary for unfamiliar words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309090
George and Keiko was tolerable. I cancelled my account after they added Emiry. I cannot stand her. I made a snippy comment about her ONE TIME and now George doesn't say hi when I'm working a convention. :(

Her Japanese is atrocious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309075
Don't think. FEEL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309075
It's just something you get used to after awhile. If you've been studying Japanese for awhile then you might have a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309061
然う云うなら仕様が無い

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309061
まあね、せっかく/jp/にいるから、なるべく漢字を使った方がいいでしょう
。

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309111
>然う云うなら仕様が無い
×

そう言って仕方がないね
○

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309095
>unfamiliar words

Which right now means pretty much everything. Where would one find Japanese newspaper articules, anyway?

Dagh, my computer doesn't even read moon, and I've yet to find a decent walkthrough/download link for it. Only one i find was by going through relgional/language settings and trying to install Asian characters, but my computer seemed to want some kind of CD for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309075
Really, all it is is practice and repetition, it gets to a point where you stop thinking as a dictionary and just piece words and phrases as they are.

When you think in english, you don't translate it from anything, you just piece what you have learned what represents whatever you're talking about, the same thing will happen in japanese eventually.

>>4309106
This, basically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309130
いや両方はオッケーだろ

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

>>4309065
おまえエロゲームとかやめたほうがいいよ。なんかおたくになってると気が
する。。（笑）

>>4309111
>>4309113
まあ、わからない漢字があったら辞書でしらべれるから使ってもいいかな。

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

／ｊｐ／のみんなさんはどのぐらい日本語を勉強したの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309132
The Internets. Look up major Japanese newspapers like Mainichi, most of them have English sites, too, if navigation is a problem. For online dictionaries, I can recommend you the Yahoo! Japan Japanese-English dictionary, goo Japanese-English Dictionary, and Tangorin is a fun little search engine.

[Lennar !CasteRzECo No.]

>>4309148
なってると気がする　Ｘ
なってる気がする　○

usually おたく is written オタク

しらべれる　Ｘ
調べられる　○

[Lennar !CasteRzECo No.]

>>4309170
４年間勉強した。

By the way, OP, I learned self-study through the internets and here's what I did...
1) Study the hiragana and katakana before anything else.
2) Look up the JLPT (Japanese Language Proficiency Test) and find vocab/grammar lists for level four. Make flashcards of all the vocab and for the grammar go to jgram.org (There may be a dash in there, I forgot). They have example sentences for just about everything. If there are words you don't know in those sentences, add them to your flashcards.
3) Install JWPCe. It's a Japanese wordprocessor, but really all you need is to use the dictionary in it. It also comes with a radical lookup so it's useful in identifying kanji piece-by-piece when you're looking at a book or something (ie, something you can't copy-paste).

If you'd like more help I can help you via MSN or something if you'd like.

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

>>4309188
あ、”と”って使わないか

also, can't you omit the ら when you use potential form?
ie: 食べられるー＞食べれる

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309170
もう九年ぐらい自分で勉強しています。去年から正式の授業を取ってるけど
、クラスで語法だけ学んでいます。

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/は、エロアニメやエロマンガやエロゲやJAVの好きな変態の巣窟だな。
気持ち悪い。
普通の日本人は、そういう物を、あまり見たり読んだりしませんよ。

[Lennar !CasteRzECo No.]

>>4309228
I've heard 食べれる but not しらべれる・・・
although when I tried converting it became kanji, so I guess it works too. sorry, my bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4308966
what... the... fuck...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309228
Isn't one "to be eaten" and the other the potential form of "to eat"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309170
己は２００８年から今迄エロゲ許り読んでるから日本語力が徐々レベルアッ
プしたんだ

[Lennar !CasteRzECo No.]

>>4309239
私もキモイと思うんだけど、日本人でもエロゲなどをやってる人結構いると
思うよｗ

[Anonymous No.]

Are there 日本人 here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309148
いや遅いｗ
もうエロゲなしで生きられないだ。

>>4309170
ＪＬＰＴ２ぐらい。今は１を受ける為に勉強中です。

>>4309188
最近「ヲタ」って呼び方が普通になってる

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

>>4309222
>>4309236
すげいな。。
俺はまだ一年も勉強していない。
でも学校でやったらけっこ速く習ったかな。
あと、いま日本に留学してるから、よく使うね。
でもやっぱり漢字がむずかしいね。マンガを読んで勉強してるんだけどあっ
まりよくならない。。

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309254
いいえ、ホンモノの日本人なんていませんよ。ただふりをする人だけがいる
w

[Anonymous No.]

Was moot lying about /dg/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309272
ちょっと質問があるけど、日本語をかなり勉強した人には、やっぱりJLPTの
やつを受けた方がいいでしょうか。私毎年受けることを忘れてしまいますw

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

>>4309272
さすが／jp／なww

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309299
まあ俺の場合は実用性がなくても、趣味でやってる事だからその質問はちょ
っと難しいな。日本に暮らしたいと思ってるなら是非やってみてね。あっ
ちで仕事を見つけるには必要だからさ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309299
将来何がしたい？

[Anonymous No.]

お前らすごいっすね
俺はまだまだよ

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

>>4309391
私もだよ。
でもネットではゆっくり喋られるからいいじゃん？

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309410
そうっすね
これからがんばるぜ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309058
Sir, you utterly failed at understanding the post you responded to.

I was using unused words to show that no one "knows" a language completely. You get a working knowledge of it and dig in. Too often people are scared to use what they've learned.

[Lennar !CasteRzECo No.]

>>4309299
試験自体を受けなくてもＪＬＰＴの内容を参考にしても損はないよｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309456
けどさ、日本語の勉強理由がたくさん
アニメとかエロゲとかマンガとか人と喋るためとか何か悪いのか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309556
Oh and, please correct any and all grammar if you can. I lost my little awesome book awhile ago and haven't really studied it since I started grinding kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309560
what are you trying to say in the last bit? sorry :/

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309560
何か悪いのかって？結局なにが聞きたいか分からなかった…

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309578
orz D: that gets the point across.

I have a lot of reasons for studying japanese, anime, manga, eroge, or just talking with people. is something wrong with that?

(but... i more or less just meant about the eroge and anime...)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309595
いや、悪くないと思う。理由があればあるほど勉強を励ますからね。
えと、
>>4309556
は「悪い？」とストレイトに聞けば読みやすくなる。

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309595
To speak in Japanese, one must think like a Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309645
I am good with chopsticks. I am Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309660

You are very good with chopsticks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309660
No, my good sir, that makes you Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309644
ストレイトってどう言う意味だ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309660

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309673

DOUMO

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309679
英語も判らんのか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309674
No, it depends on the chopsticks.

Japanese people tend to use chopsticks with very pointy ends.

Chinese people tend to use chopsticks with blunt rounded ends.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309693
は？

[Yutanpo !1DeKKAi00Y No.]

>>4309701
あと、中国風の長くて日本のは短い。

[Anonymous No.]

Tl note
は？ = HURR?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309363
>>4309544
ありがとうございました。

>>4309366
将来は生物学者とか医用生体工学者になるつもりだけど、今はまだ勉強中で
すw

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309742
If you're going to be learning Japanese, you should learn the corresponding technical Japanese for your fields of interest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309965

Do you know if the Japanese follow the GAAP?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just wondering, but is 吾 (ware) used? I'm using Anki, and I don't think I've ever seen that kanji before. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310122
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310122
I've only ever seen it in names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310152
>>4310169
Alright, thanks. I'm studying hard, Anon-kun. ;_;
I've learned 33 kanji characters today (hopefully I still remember them tomorrow).

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310122
吾輩は猫である

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you want to [[learn]] kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310193
Why not? You need kanji to be able to read Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310197
And what good is learning to read Japanese? You can't get off to porn without 20 hours of reading beforehand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310214
Why the hostility? I want to be able to play VNs and Japanese video games. As stated previously, people also learned English for that purpose (well, excluding VNs). So what's wrong with that, exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310197
Why not read first then pick up? It makes no sense to pick random kanji and learn them individually.

[SonnyRay No.]

Hey guys random question, if my first language is a romanic one, will it be easier for me if I try to learn japanese, compared to someone that has english or something like that as a first language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310235
Well, I assume it's not all random... I think Anki is throwing basic kanji at me (so far numbers 1-10, mouth, day, month, etc).
I don't really know what to read, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310238
It's completely foreign unless you know Chinese. It's gonna be hard. Enjoy your studying.

This is my 5 minute break before I go back to grindan kanji for another couple hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310243
Read a shounen jump manga and pay attention to the furigana

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310258
What materials do you use to memorize kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310262
Anything good you can recommend, then?

[Anonymous No.]

おっと、誤字すまんｗ
ｘストレイト
○ストレート
straight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310270
Anything you can enjoy enough to want to know what's happening without looking only at the eye candy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310238
I have the same question, if my first language is Korean, will it be easier/faster for me to learn Japanese in Korean or in English/French?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310299
Alright, I was thinking about reading Neko Wappa. Seemed really interesting. So do all Shounen Jump manga have furigana?

[Anonymous No.]

You faggots need to learn to Pimsleur.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310263
jisho.org is the greatest site in existence, even though the interface is a bit fucked up at times. Example sentences, fuck year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310322
All of the big three have them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310303
no,not so much..
grammer is a little similar but writing system and reading and pronuncing is totall different.
also chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310238
>>4310303
Japanese should be easier to learn if you already know Chinese or (to a lesser degree) Korean. By 'know' I mean fluent, not weeaboo-level I'M FLUENT CUZ I WATCH C/K-DRAMA.

English is my second language, and it took me five years to go completely from scratch (not knowing a single English word) to pass the benchmark level (in 6th grade).

[Anonymous No.]

If you have an iPod Touch or even an iPhone, get an app called "Japanese". It's a gigantic dictionary, which also has kanji inputs, JLPT kanji sheets, kanji input and search, kana charts, stroke order animations for everything, examples for everything, phrases, idioms, radical searches, kanji lookup of specific kanjis within words or phrases, lists of specific technical terms, etc. If you're reading a Japanese book or website just have your iPod next to you running that app, it's the best dictionary I've ever seen. It's $16, but it was worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310532
get out dictionary devs

[SonnyRay No.]

>>4310384
Oh, I tought that my "romanji" skills would help me.
orz

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310330
i_lol'd.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310330
Example sentences that are usually wrong

[Anonymous No.]

My vocabulary is extremely limited at the moment. Anyone know any sites for activities (or even children's stories) that would help me solidify the basics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4309106

IT IS LIKE YOUR FINGER POINTING AWAY TO DA MOON!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4310532
>Buying ipod apps

[Anonymous No.]

>>4311059
Read Yotsubato, it's very basic Japanese and pretty simple to understand with a limited amount of kanji under your belt. Just look up whatever you don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, I've been studying for a while now, I'm grindan kanji and shit. however, I realize that when I read something, and katakana shows up, I still can't fucking tell the difference between shit like ソ　ン　ツ　and シ.

How the fuck do you get used to that shit? I mean when it's written, not when it's typed. I can kinda tell when it's typed, depending on the font used, but when that shit is actually written in manga and such I don't know what the fuck it's supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.alc.co.jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>4311330
Context clues. Welcome to handwriting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4311330
Strokes. The long stroke in 'shi' starts from the bottom left and goes to the top right, while the long stroke in 'tsu' go from top right to bottom left. You should be able to tell in handwriting by seeing where the pressure is in the pen stroke and the context.
If someone who utterly fails at writing those characters naturally writes them, then yeah, it's almost impossible to tell.

Ditto for 'n' and 'so'.