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[Anonymous No.]

Should ZUN take a pause with adding new 2hus to the games? It just feels like with each new game they get less and less memorable, we're still talking about the SDM, Lunar and Chireiden crews more than anyone else. Also what are your hopes for TH19? By the way I love Okuu

[Anonymous No.]

>>43083851
>Should ZUN take a pause with adding new 2hus to the games?
I guess yeah, there are fuckton of old dusty character that their last appearance are decade ago or even only appeared in their debut game (outside of cameo)
The mainline danmaku games should take notes from the side games and introduce 1-2 character and use the old ass character to give them a new life and popularity

[Anonymous No.]

>>43083947
big agree

[Anonymous No.]

There is no definite answer to that question. As long as ZUN is compelled by the drive of telling stories rooted in various aspects of culture in his own ways, that's more than enough justification to create more characters.
Touhou isn't a company's product, it is an individual's, less pressured to make a product that sells especially now that the deed is done, so to speak. It may not lead to the most satisfactory product, especially given that while ZUN himself ages and so his views on life and the things that catch his attention may differ from when he was 20 making PC-98 games, the demographic that's into Touhou constantly rolls back around to teens to young adults (Although older fans exist).Regardless, I think it's interesting & most importantly distinct, and I wouldn't want to take it away. I like to view Touhou as a whole as an allegory on what you could be looking for in the entertainment industry at different stages of life, it's almost like a biography in the form of a ruthless game series (& a few mangas).
There are hundreds of series you can get into that'll listen & cater to you for liking the popular thing (Hell, the fandom is pretty much that). Touhou doesn't need to be that. Touhou doesn't need to be anything, for better or for worse. It just is. That's how I see it.

[ZUN No.]

*SLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURP* you know what ze touhou really needs? *SLUUUUUUURP* some more touhous obviously! *SLUUURPSLUURP* *BUUUUUURP* What? who ze fuck is Mima?

[Anonymous No.]

>>43084331
How does he keep coming with these ideas?! He is such a genius!

[Anonymous No.]

>>43084331
He can't keep getting away with this bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>43083851
>ZUN should make games using their old characters. Anon, photo taking games exist. the point of those games is that. and the complement for these would be the novels.
you have to analyze why ZUN does things the way he does. the reason why ZUN introduces new characters is to introduce new danmakus. that's what the game is about: danmaku. each character exists precisely because of his attacks. the design is a complement to the attacks.
if Mystia exists it's because ZUN said: "hey, I want to create a character that darkens the screen, but I need a justification for this, so I have to design a character that uses darkness as an attack and give it a background so it doesn't feel flat"

[Anonymous No.]

>>43083851
>ZUN should make games using their old characters.
Anon, photo taking games exist. the point of those games is that. and the complement for these would be the novels.
you have to analyze why ZUN does things the way he does. the reason why ZUN introduces new characters is to introduce new danmakus. that's what the game is about: danmaku. each character exists precisely because of his attacks. the design is a complement to the attacks.
if Mystia exists it's because ZUN said: "hey, I want to create a character that darkens the screen, but I need a justification for this, so I have to design a character that uses darkness as an attack and give it a background so it doesn't feel flat"

[Anonymous No.]

>>43084331
>ze
Did all that beer turn ZUN into a german?

[Anonymous No.]

>>43083851
While i want to see more of older characters and more chracter building in new games, i think ZUN enjoys character creation aspect while creating new games and i too like that there is fresh faces and if he just cycled 2hus from th6-th12 people would also complain so there is no winning there really.

Personally i think 13 was first one to have less memorable cast while futo and yoshika have started to growing on me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43083851
I'd like to see the return of old characters, but as >>43088861 said: Touhou is a bullet hell game, new spellcards come from new characters. The shoot the bullet games shake up the gameplay enough that you can recycle old characters and spellcards to keep it fresh. And the fightan games serve to give old characters a chance as playable characters in their own stories. That being said there's still some that haven't been more than a cameo in years. I'd like to see Ran and Chen be playable instead of just an accessory to Yukari's attacks and spellcards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43088861
>>43089376
Tbf if we're talking about the pure gameplay alone, it's not like ZUN couldn't make justification for new danmaku for old character anyway, like you're said that Mystia's gimmick of darkening the screen could be easily justified with Rumia as literal youkai of darkness or Lily White's hail gimmick with Cirno as youkai of ice (somehow she classified as such in TH7's official profile and both appeared in the same stage lol)

[Anonymous No.]

>>43083851
If he didn't want to keep making them he would've stopped. You gotta remember this has always been a labor of love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43089665
The truth is that I don't know very well how ZUN's mind works. But I think he only likes to bring in old characters when he feels there's a justification for it.
Just think on Alice. ZUN said: "at the end of the PCB demo I want to bring a familiar face, so Alice will be the boss of the third level." then to IN he said: "The only partner I can think of for Marisa is Alice, since they both are very alike."
Now, imagine that a fanboy comes and asks ZUN: "Hey, what's up ZUN?!!!!!! I want to ask you a question, mate. Why doesn't Alice live in Makai anymore? What happened to Shinki? Alice doesn't visit her mom? It's pc -98 canon? Is Alice a lesbian? Why does Alice now live in the forest? What happened to Alice between MS and PCB?"
Imagine ZUN answering "I don't know bro" with a confused face trying to remember things from years ago while getting even more confused because the fanboy pulled stuff from the fandom.
That's basically why ZUN doesn't like to bring old characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>43090239
>The truth is that I don't know very well how ZUN's mind works
That's obvious anon, we all don't
But at this point he already created enough character that a lot of them are very "neglected"

[Anonymous No.]

I keep getting momentarily tricked by all the april fool's Touhou 19 announcements.

[Vickie Mcmillan No.]

I would really like a new playable character from the old games, but otherwise, I don't think he should reuse existing characters.
There is only so much you can do with story in a danmaku game, and introducing new characters is probably the optimal use for them.
Print and doujin works are more suited for deeper looks at the characters.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

[Anonymous No.]

>>43099994
yeah

[Willie Black No.]

>>43083851
I agree, without looking could you tell me WHO was the 4 stage boss for th14?
Hardly anyone could.

>>43084331
Why do we associate him with being a drunkard?
When in fact EVERY japanese person IS an alcoholic?<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

[Anonymous No.]

>>43083851
no he should not