Seacats

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, one thing has been bothering me. Are Shkanon's boobs large and she just compresses them when in Kanon persona, or are they flat and she's wearing pads when in Shannon persona?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270647
Or perhaps they are separate people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270665

>Including you[Erika], there are seventeen people

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

I just had this crazy theory:
What if Shanon and Kanon are actually different people?
I think this might be the case since they appeared together in the same room with Battler and Erika.

What do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.]

Come on guys, this is the big mystery of Rokejima!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270673
seventeen people including Erika, +!

that makes 18

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270675

We didn't see this from Erika's perspective. Battler's perspective in EP5 is proven unreliable, so that doesn't mean anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270675
I think you're onto something, old man!

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

Including this post, there are three posts in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270675
Only if you like a Yaoi ending.

[Anonymous No.]

fake chest.

[Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. No.]

>>4270675
Fuck off.
That's just stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270675
Would be quite an asspull.

But Ryukishi has proven to be subpar, so why not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270726
>Ryukishi has proven to be subpar
>would be an asspull if Shannon and Kanon were not the same person

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270726
Nah it would be awesome and would let everyone looking like idiots.

And then he pulls off Kyrietrice

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270726

Ryukishi? Subpar? Look at this magnificent foreshadowing, man! Best writer ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270733
Plenty of hints at it, plus the red basically throwing shoving it in your face.

If one of those weren't there, it would be an asspull, but it's textbook disguised murder mystery, at the moment.

Forgetting his tenuous grasp of Dissociative Identity Disorder, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270753
Guess I forgot to delete the throwing part, so much for making sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270753
I think you're a little overconfident.

[Anonymous No.]

And then suddenly a Jessitrice end without Shkanon.

Shit would be unexpectedly awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270763
How so? Multiple personalities and disguises are used incredibly often in mystery novels, so that's hardly difficult to accept.

We've been given enough hints to make the logical leap to Shannon being Kanon. There is nothing in direct opposition to making this assumption. Where is the discrepancy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270780
I wouldnt put it past ryuukishi

[Anonymous No.]

Penis

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270774
Actually, this would be a pretty damned good ending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270753 Forgetting his tenuous grasp of Dissociative Identity Disorder, of course.

And how an insulin overdose works

>>4270780 Multiple personalities and disguises are used incredibly often in mystery novels

Perhaps I'm not as versed in mysteries as you are but, while I can accept disguises, I can not recall a single instance when someone suffering from multiple personalities was found to be the culprit in a detective mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

Just asking but is there a hint to support Shannon being able to be disguised as Kanon?

Knox etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270803
> implying Shkanon being true automatically makes them the culprit, and that there isn't a possibility of them being manipulated

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270813
No hint necessary, because if Shkanon is true, then there's no disguise involved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270813

Episode 6 prevents Shannon and Kanon as being two physically separate individuals.

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko at the moment seems to be like West Side Story.
The Jets are the Jessitricefans, the Sharks are the Shkanontrice fans, and Fusiontrice is the forbidden love between them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270813
The idea is because they are the same person, she doesn't disguise herself as Kanon, she simply is Kanon.

I don't like it much, but it sounds like Ryukishi to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270830
And then there's Doubletrice, which is at least as wacky as Fusiontrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270830
As long as we get to break out into song, I'm okay with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270822
Well she dresses up as a man so there's a disguised involved.

Also Ryuukishi told we that we would be able to guess the why dunnit....so why do Shannon crossdresses all over the game?

To someone like us who's viewing the game from a god's perspective it would make sense, but for a piece that lives in only one world its kind of a overkill

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270830
WHEN YOU'RE WITH JESS YOU'RE WITH JESS ALL THE WAY FROM YOUR FIRST WITCH OUTFIT TO YOUR LAST DYING DAY!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270830

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270839
Because Kanon probably prefers to wear guy clothes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270774
Wouldn't work. The proof for Jessica being in love with Battler is assuming Kanon is a girl, with out Shkanon Kanon is only a girl if Kanon = Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270832
And if Shkanon is true (which is pretty much confirmed at this point), then that has to be the case to fit the red text "No one could mistake a different person for Kanon!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270845
Well, it would make George even more of a faggot.
But if Kanon and Shannon are the same person, the clues point to the body being female.

[Anonymous No.]

If Shkanon was a dude....
then who was Beato?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270845
> Kanon = Beatrice

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270845
It would work if ryuukishi made it work.

>>4270833
At least doubletrice is a interesting tought.

It would be kind of awesome to see a beatrice x beatrice showdown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270856

[Anonymous2007 !7AnImelIIg No.]

>>4270863
:3

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270856
Beato is real Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270860
Seriously, in the meta world, throwing red and blue and gold everywhere.

Battler does jack shit anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270873
I'm waiting for greentext

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270824
Cool story, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, well, options for Jessica.

1. Being brain-dead. And I mean BRAIN DEAD. Not realising that her love interest is her best friend of 10 years.
2. Being Beatrice.
3. Being one Beatrice.
4. She created Beatrice in Shannon.
5. She's just evil as fuck. What a bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, what if we were mistaken in thinking George is strait. George really has the hots for Battler and is going out with Shannon, knowing Shannon was Battler's first love, in order to get Battler's attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270860
Doubletrice is interesting because of the ends of EP1 and EP2.

Battler meets beatrice in both endings.
But in ep1 Jessica cannot be the beatrice he sees
And in ep2 Shannon's death is way more obvious than Jessica one

Also all the monologues with Beatrices talking with each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270884 George is strait

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270893
Unlimited Beato works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270893
...Shit, and in Episode 4, when dress-Beatrice and skirt-Beatrice talk! We all thought it was a mental conversation, but what if...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270884

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270883
>5. She's just evil as fuck. What a bitch.
Check.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270894
>>4270898
And now I'm picturing George playing the guitar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270883
5 is unlikely. There's no foreshadowing at all for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270895
Amakusa is Battler, so it works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270883
One is out of the question, and the nature of her phone call in episode 4 made me think the bitch is crazy... so... uh... I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270908
Except for the consistent lying and having had at least killed George.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270898
>>4270894

Rokkenjima by mornin'...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270925
Yes, but she's very chill with the fact that she's going to die. I really don't know what the fuck Jessica is up to, it upsets me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270925
In b4 Shannon killed george

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270883
2, 3, and 4 are impossible. No actual connections between Jessica and Beatrice beyond them looking similar which was explained with Beatrice's image being created to satisfy Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270946
Dont start it the thread is going well.

And yes, you are wrong

[Anonymous No.]

These threads go nowhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270942
Probably in at least one of the episodes. After all I don't think Shannon liked George that much in the first place, Jessica pretty much forced her to go out with George.

[Anonymous No.]

Even if it's unlikely, I'll obstinately think that Jessica is the one who loved Battler, because he gets the hobo end if it's Shannon. Beatrice doesn't really exist, and Shannon loves that faggot George.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270946
Aw, it was going so well, too. Now we'll have to deal with you cursing and ranting about why Shkanontrice doing everything is the answer to this mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270959
If any of their loves is weak, it's Jessica's love for Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270953
You're on /jp/. We have threads about the best type of pull-ups to wear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270962
hobo end is the best end

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270962
But Battler wants Beatrice, not Jessica. And Meta Battler talks about how he's going to bring Beatrice into the real world.

inb4hepullsaKinzoandforcesJessicatobeBeatrice

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270953

durr hurrrr

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270971
You are an awful human being.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270962
No, George gets dumped because Shannon only likes George and doesn't love him. The rejected George and desperate Jessica get together and happy end. THAT is how it will end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270974
Piece isn't though, he hasn't been deluded into loving an imaginary waifu.

And I can't accept real fucking magic working, where Beatrice somehow exists in the real world. That basically invalidates a good chunk of Umineko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270971
Hobo meta battler = inevitable.
At least think about the poor piece Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270982
Why is /jp/ so depressing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270982
fucking no

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270982
lolno.
If Shkanontrice exists, Georgeuwa is going to win out.

Still, that leaves Jessica and Battler both gyped. Something's gotta give.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270959
If EP6 taught us anything, it's that Shannon seems to love him.

Perhaps she was cajoled into going out with him by Jessica, sure why not, but I think somewhere down the line, the cliche bullshit happened where she fell for the guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270990
>>4270989
What, what's wrong with that? Keep your bitching, you all know it's going to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270998
So you're saying Shannon gets with Battler, and George gets with Jessica?

I guess it's just a matter of preference then, I'd prefer blonde wincest over batshit maid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270996

I'm pretty sure Shannon does not love George.

It's already been stated the ones that survive to the end/longest to the end is pretty much based on who she (the culprit, that is) hates the most. George consistently makes it to the end except in 4 and 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270998
George and Jessica?
George is hardly even a person, without Shannon he is basically just a bunch of blubbler and glasses!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271010
Episode 6, George marries Shannon.
And Ryu said that their relationship is not false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271010
Its not a vegeance matter its a love matter. Reread virgilia talk in EP5.

If anything the ones that survive the most are the ones more loved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4270995
If Shkanontrice exists, then George becomes a ronery loser. Remember, Beatrice is killing because Battler showed up.(In other words, Shkanontrice freaked because the love she thought was impossible became possible and she already is well on the path to making it impossible again.)

[Anonymous No.]

WHY? WHY DON'T YOU USE ENDLESS MAGIC? IF YOU USE IT YOU CAN BRING BACK BEATO! NOT JUST THAT! ALL YOUR FAMILY WHO DIED TOO!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271027

Somebody loves Nanjo/Eva in EP3?

Blasphemy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271029
Its a fucking good motive for murder anyway.

not

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271034
Yeah, we saw Beatrice use that trick in meta world a bunch of times, Battler is a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271029
Yeah, who would be anticipating Battler coming back to the island, anyways?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271029
The person pretending to be Beatrice doesn't necessarily have to be the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271036
Eva found the gold so this point is null.
Nanjo is a needed accomplice

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271036

Same poster.

I would like to clarify that I realized EP3 is all sorts of fucked up anyway, and the real mastermind's scheme was probably ruined in that Episode. So nevermind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041
How the hell did she know, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041
YEAH, SIX YEARS, HUH? WOW, SIX YEARS!

SIX YEARS

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041
>>Six years Battler!
>>It's been Six Years!
>>Six years Six Years I've counted Six Years it's been six years six years six six six

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271044 Nanjo

You mean Ninzo

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271065
I thought she answered the phone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271065
I'm pretty sure it's Battler calling or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041

Yes, how the fuck DID you know, moon-chan? And how the fuck did you call him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041
>>4271056
>>4271057
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

THAT WAS ALSO RIGHT FUCKING THERE

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041
This is a valid point.
Battler's sin is partly responsible for the killings.
If he didnt come back nobody would die.

And obvsiouly the murders were planned since before Battler coming to the island.

So the culprit and beatrice should've known that Battler would come.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041
This scene, if nothing else, convinces me that the person battler talks to in EP4 is jessica.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271057
SIX! SIX YEARS!
AH AH AH AH

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271057
>Six years Battler!
>2,190 days Battler!
>52, 560 hours Battler!
>3, 153, 600 minutes Battler!
>REMEMBERREMEMBERREMEMBERREMEMBER

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041
And Jessica as Beatrice just refuses to die.
God fucking damn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271084
You forgot 189,216,000 seconds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271056
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCKING MOON-CHAN!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271060
Old rich man
Always allowed into Kinzo's study
retired suspiciously well

...stop that, anonymous

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271095
Amusingly, it would take more than six years to count to that many seconds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271076
Ya, it's not like Jessica talks to her BEST FRIEND Shannon about her family ever.

[Anonymous No.]

At this point, as long as Piece gets to fuck a woman on the island, I am content.

[Anonymous No.]

Reposted for further reference

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271111
Oh, and Kumasawa does not count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271110
Regardless, Jessica is the only one who seems to have been anticipating Battler's return.
dum tick tick tick tick tick tick dum dum

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271120
What about Nanjo, who is actually Nanjo's daughter in disguise?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271116
Yeah, this becomes incredibly strong evidence when you consider that Jessica should be well aware that Kanon is not a real person.

She's either a lesbian in denial, playing a game of pretend, or loves Battler, or in a retarded turn of events, George.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271122
>dum tick tick tick tick tick tick dum dum
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271131
...WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT SAID

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271128
I'm so glad some anons are using this after I mentioned and linked it. (lol Witch Hunt)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271146
it's a shop

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271116
Wow, jessitrice fags are desperate to cling onto their shitty proof that proves nothing except that they are idiots that like to assume their interpretations of something is the way it has to be interpreted. George fits that role as person loved by Jessica more than Battler, but you fags will never admit that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271128
He doesn't know Nanjo is a woman, so it doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271131
> There were three Jessicas.
> three Jessicas
> three
Oh goddammit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271149
It's not, if I recall correctly, it's during her EP4 "trial" with the three choices.

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXxcPtTlYQQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271150
>George fits that role as person loved by Jessica
Indeed he does, but that's a bit ridiculous.
>more than Battler
That is demonstrably false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271150

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271150
>>more so than Battler
I don't think Jessica even talks to George independently, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041

So it's not normal to be ecstatic to see someone you are close to again after such a long period of time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271150

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271139
I'd say it's Battler. She reacts specifically TO Battler, going all tsundora when he talks about how he doesn't like her INELEGANT voice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271149
Ain't that cute? BUT IT'S WRONG!
>>4271146
Happens when Ronove gives Jessica her test. She thinks of the possible future she might have in each instance.
Of course only two would have regrets. The other one wouldn't live to tell about it....
ahaha.ogg

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271150
Oh hey i love george but i keep pushing Shannon to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271180
In Umineko, specifically dealing with Beatrice, the concept of waiting is a fairly important one.
So, therefore, the character who is shown to have been waiting, well.....

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271180
I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I would not be so excited over any of my cousins coming to see me, and it's been like a decade. That much emotion is reserved for someone who I really like.

[Anonymous No.]

so how many of you all want a jessicaxbattler ending with everyone else dying but battlers imouto?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271188
The test that Battler does not find in her room, strangely enough.

[Anonymous No.]

Jessica seems to think that nobody will ever break any promises with her! Not even a demon! What a trusting girl. battlerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271195
Yeah. She seems particularly enthused to discover that Battler is showing up.

Oh, and, naturally,

SIX YEARS SIX YEARS ONE KILOMETER SIX YEARS ONE KILOMETER ONE KILOMETER HOLDING OUT HOLDING OUT SIX YEARS

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271195
Surely, the relationship the three had when they were kids was a good one.
Lets say it's one of your cousins which you love a lot.
IIRC, it is said in some episodes, including 5, that they got along really well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271197
Ep3 is true end.
Jessica and Battler survives. Eva shots Shkanon and then saves both of them. But Jessica is now permanently blind and is now Battler's waifu. Battler is Amakusa.

Final destination

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271197
I don't want one, because people like Hideyoshi and Rudolf seem genuinely good. We'll see in the coming episodes.

But I also wouldn't get up in a rage if that happened. As long as Battler survives to return to Ange, and gets with the girl who has waited 6 years for him, I'm content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271203
Oh, fuck me.
She just had to say promise.
She just had to fucking say it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271203
Too bad Beatrice was betrayed and knows better than to trust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271195

From what I'd gathered about the backstory, the cousins were fairly close with one another before Battler disappeared. Her reaction doesn't seem that bizarre to me.

But hey, maybe Jessica is Beatrice or whatnot. I'm just trying to provide an alternative interpretation to the examples people keep posting to see if something new is mentioned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271211
But-but- his entire family would be dead!
I'm all for a Jessica end, I am, but everyone being dead? What the hell man!?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271210
>But Jessica is now permanently blind
blind moe~
This is still better than what Ryukishi will probably make.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271218
Well, we all know that it could totally be platonic. Trust me, my first reaction to that scene wasn't what it is now.
But, with Shkanon, and with more insight into Beatrice, things that seem minor become major.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271218
same here I want the back story of what battler did six years ago and what major sin he committed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271219
I wouldn't like it much either, but I'd accept it rather than a FUCK THIS SHIT reaction.

In a perfect ending, everyone lives. It's an island of assholes, but is being an asshole meant you deserved to die, we'd have a small world.

Good ending, some die. You'd figure this is going to happen, how can you find a culprit that hasn't done the act that makes them a culprit? I don't even know who I would choose to die for good, shit is depressing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271211
That, they are.
But Rudolf does need some reality check. Kinda, you know, one you would get after seeing a mass murder...
And no, killing Kyrie wouldn't help either.
Though I know that if someone is to die, she's Priority One. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271210
That ought to go over well.
Juuza: Hey Ange, I have a confession to make...
Ange:(Oh god, he's going to confess to me! I KNEW I shouldn't have shoved that stake there...)
Juuza: From the moment I met you... I
Ange: (He's doing it! He's really doing it!)
Juuza; Was your brother the entire time. Yeah, turns out Eva didn't do it. Neither did I. Jessica did though. She kinda sorta killed everyone. But it was for love, so I marrried her. I took this job to pay the bills, she's having my kid in about two months. But, uh, it's been fun! Catch you later sis!
Ange: .....

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking Jessitrice fags. Jessica cannot be Beatrice as none of the proof you fuckers have actually point to her BEING Beatrice. Shannon and Kanon on the other hand. This is all you fuckers looking too far into shit, remember the talk between Battler and Dlanor about the author and reader having to have trust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271244
>implying you trust Ryukishi
O ye of too much faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271244

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271243
I lol'd. You know, he could just be some dude with grey hair who fought in the FFL. Shocking, I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271244
I think all trust goes out the window when you have a DID meido be responsible for everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271244
>you fuckers
You mad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271244
It points to her loving Battler, Beatrice loves Battler, so she can be Beatrice.

Its way better than most of this so-called proof you guys have for ''Shannon being beatrice because she talks a lot with her''.

Also love between writer and reader just implies that he will let the clues in the game and play a (mostly) fair game and not that YOUR THEORY IS THE TRUTH BECAUSE IF NOT RYUUKISHI IS BETRAYING HIMSELF.

[Anonymous No.]

so what does everyone think of the character cd's i love maria's song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PzilquQlBE

[Anonymous No.]

>trust
>answer is supposedly a human being who turns their multiple personalities on and off like a light switch, they occasionally have magical gun fights with each other too

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271273
Why can't they both have a Beatrice personality?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271244
Just one of them (Beatrice WANTS battler to find out the truth and Jessica is the only one that encourages him to do that since the beggining)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271264

HE HAS THE SUMADERA CROSS BRO

KYRIE, BATTLER, AMAZUSA

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271273
Yeah, basically, this. For a person to be Beatice, they don't have to be a Beatice fangirl. They really just have to fit the profile of her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271292
Never said they cant. Actually im a supporter of Fusiontrice as plausible.

Say that to the Shkanontrice fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271304
Pardon i meant Doubletrice, Fusiontrice is stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271281
Dokkyun is fucking ridiculous, but I like the Higurashi references. Stakes character song is the same.

Chain is fucking amazing, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271293
Maria is the one that tells everyone to believe in magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271253
Wow, and the logic that since Jessica MIGHT like Battler therefore IS beatrice is good? There isn't any actual proof that says Jessica is Beatrice where Shkanon has a shit load of it, and there's as much proof for Jessica liking Battler as there is for Shkanon. That's not even including the holes and contradictions that apear when Jessica is Beatrice. For fucks sake, Battler meets Beatrice at the end of episode 1 who is definitely not Jessica as she is on the other side of Battler. I don't care about discussing theories, but your fucking theory has been disproved so STFU about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271313
No, actually, the theory has not been disproved simply because you've raged like a child and thrown curses at us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271313
Nobody disapproved shit. Everyone of you points holes but never say what holes are those.

I myself answered the EP1 ''hole'' multiple times but because you asked it i will return the question.

And what about EP2? Shannon is found dead with a gaping hole in her head. Who's the Beatrice Battler finds in the end of the episode?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271313
You realize this thread is full of trolls and exaggerated theories, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271321
HER LOVE FOR BATTLER ALLOWS HER TO OVERCOME SEVERE BRAIN DAMAGE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271313
Except there is no proof pointing that Shkanon is Beatrice.

Just very vague interpretations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271313
>Wow, and the logic that since Jessica MIGHT like Battler therefore IS beatrice is good?
That's the idea of a theory. You state a hypothesis, and then work from there. Perhaps it will turn out wrong, perhaps not.

>There isn't any actual proof that says Jessica is Beatrice where Shkanon has a shit load of it
Shkannon has no "proof", just speculations. Admittedly in larger volume than Jessitrice, for now at least.

>and there's as much proof for Jessica liking Battler as there is for Shkanon.
False. We can piece together a scenario where Jessica loved, and indeed still pines for Battler. Shannon is all but ambivalent towards him, never showing any romantic interest throughout the story.

>For fucks sake, Battler meets Beatrice at the end of episode 1 who is definitely not Jessica as she is on the other side of Battler.
Can't have your cake and eat it, champ. EP2 Shannon is dead, and yet Battler meets Beatrice.

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>>4271328
Ok you got me.
I surrender.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271293
Your right that Beatrice wants Battler to figure it out, too bad you're too stupid to remember the part about her wanting him to remember it on his own. Now lets remember that Jessica talks about 6 years ago as if it's nothing important while Shannon didn't want to talk about the past related to herself, I wonder why.

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>>4271338
Err...I dont know how to answer you.

Are you 12 yrs old or something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271041

>Battle~r
>Goiiiiiiing

FUCKING MOON-CHAN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271338
What are you even talking about? Where in that scene is it showing that Jessica is giving him a hint? She's telling him never to give up and accept magic, which "coincidentally" helps Beato's cause because he'll only reach the truth if he never gives up.

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>>4271338
When asked, Shannon casually mentions to Battler about the pony thing. She's not trying to hide much, she's just a meido. Meidos will be meidos, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271338
Yes Beato wants Battler to recall everything on his own.

And Shannon says the so called ''pony promise'' right in the front of Battler while Jessica just implies things.

Seriously, you are a moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271350
I have been noticing that our Shkanontrice friend seems to enjoy cursing, along with run-on sentences. It's rather annoying.

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>>4271331
Ya, and Kanon and Shannon separate people... Your logic is crap, you dis-include important facts to morph the story so that it fits your shitty theory. Sorry to inform you, but theories morph to match what they are about, not the other way around. Also there are as many hints for Shkanon liking Battler, or did you ignore them all such as the part where Shannon wasn't minding if Battler groped her up.

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>>4271338

>Your right
>You're stupid

[Anonymous No.]

We really doing this bros? We really using Jessica to attempt to make sense of this horseshit?
Ah, why the hell not? Enough doom and gloom, enough DID meido, let's take this motherfucker straight on!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271383
I had to go sleep.
But you are too fun to watch, really.

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>>4271383
Oh yay, more cursing and rage from the twelve year old. I'm sure he'll have something thoughtful to sa->Your logic is crap, you dis-include important facts to morph the story so that it fits your shitty theory

It's like I really am watching an episode of the AVGN.

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>>4271383
Yee-haw boys, watch that piggy squeal!

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>>4271383
Do you even know what you are talking about?
When we talk about clues and proof we go on and show how could it work.

You are here like since half hour ago stating that you have dozens of proofs and never telling any of them.

For the Breast squeezing thing there can be many implications idependently of her wanting Battler to squeeze her

[Anonymous No.]

What about Krauss and Moetsuhi? They'd be crushed if their child was a murderer...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271408
Oh, and with that breast squeezing thing, Jessica intervenes. Funny, that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271411
>>Implying Natsuhi isnt a murderer...A BABY MURDERER

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271411

You mean they'd have their faces smashed.

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>>4271383
>Also there are as many hints for Shkanon liking Battler, or did you ignore them all such as the part where Shannon wasn't minding if Battler groped her up.
Ahahaha oh wow, one piece of fragile evidence, you got me chief.

Let's casually ignore that if she's been raped by Kinzo, like most Shkannontrice bros seem to agree, she's so broken that she doesn't mind being groped. In her mind, that may even be normal for a piece of furniture such as herself.

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>>4271417
Dohohoho, well played.

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>>4271417
Well, blame Natsuhi for trapping Jessica in a closet.
Talk about a cage.
YOUNG DAUGHTER MISBEHAVES
LOCK HER IN DARK ENCLOSED SPACE FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME

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[Anonymous No.]

>>4271419
If I give myself as a doll, it's ok! It's not really me! I'm not really me! I'm not really anything!

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I find it funny how depending of the time of the day we find more or less Shkanontrice fags.

Friday night we had more Jessitrice than Shkanontrice fags.
Saturday night too
Sunday in the day there were tons of Shkanontrice fags trying to deny Jessitrice just because ''its shit''
And now that its getting late the kids need to go sleep and Jessitrice is ruling the board once more

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[Anonymous No.]

>>4271435
Even more proof that Beatrice is possibly Jessica if the phone call is real and is just someone who's her accomplice making said call. Not only that but the Fall card thing could be easily done whether Jessica knows that or not (or Shannon for that matter) if 4 season cards are put in specific areas from the room. Also, if Shannon is Jessica's friend, why WOULDN'T she tell Jessica what her mother's favorite season is for say, Jessica wanting to get her mother a gift.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>4271444
Telling you man, it's like West Side Story.
Watch as the forbidden love known as Fusiontrice turns out to be right, but it will be tragically stabbed to death by both gangs.

[Anonymous No.]

>spamming when the thread is already at or very close to autosage

wut?

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[Anonymous No.]

>>4271455
Probably the angry child.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271439
Kohaku = Shkanontrice

Discuss

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271449
Or, One could skip that altogether, Jessica would know what favorite season her mother's is.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>4271457
>but it will be tragically stabbed to death by both gangs
And this will be done by both Jessitrice and Shkannontrice factions calling it horrible shit, I can see it all now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271462
It's slow enough to be manual spamming, so quite possibly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271457
Doubletrice please.
Fusiontrice would make anyone cry

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[Anonymous No.]

>>4271464
True, it may have slipped her mind that she told Jessica and remembered Shannon because she believed her to be the culprit's accomplice I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271474
Remember: When you imagespam put sage in the mail field

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271476
Natsuhi doesn't want to suspect her daughter.
Naturally!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271476
Natsuhi wouldnt suspect Jessica even if her life depended on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271481
Hell, I don't even think it crosses her mind that Krauss or Jessica would do something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Kanon is actually Shota Battler stuck in a timeloop.
Discuss.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>4271485
Well, quite frankly, I wouldn't suspect Krauss of being able to use the bathroom by himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271493
Good point, I suppose she has good reason not to suspect Krauss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271496
He's a visionary man.
Without him we wouldnt have space colonies now.

wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271503
See, the Beatrice thing? All part of the act.
Jessica knew that her father had vision, and wanted to shut him, and his research, down.
Through any means possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271508
Yes and it was out of love.
Because she knows that the man who launch the first space colony will be haunted by nightmares because he will be the responsible for bringing ALIEN PARASITES to earth

[Anonymous No.]

Six years ago, Battler done fucked up big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271515
No shit sherlock. When I have a son, I'm going to warn him to never say anything to girls before he is 18 EVER.

[Anonymous No.]

teapartyofcertainty/old

Streaming 'best of' moments and then EP5's ??? with audio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271544
At the very least, never make promises, because they apparently kill people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271548
what is this link?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271573
someone forgot the livestream part I guess.
http://www.livestream.com/teapartyofcertainty/

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271544
PROTIP: Yours is going to be the girl who'll get a broken promise, and will cosplay as a witch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4271597
Ok, then, crap, I will not let her play Touhou then.

[­ !!0NEjSf1I0Mc No.]

>For me, lying with the red is amongst the greatest sins imaginable.

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>>4271738
Then why doesn't it have it's own stake?

[­ !!0NEjSf1I0Mc No.]

>>4272066
That's a good question. It would be nice if it did have one.

[Anonymous No.]

ShKanon theories. They are everywhere

[Anonymous No.]

Shit... think about Fusiontrice and Doubletrice inversed.

What if Shannon didn't create another persona for herself, but imposed it on Jessica; since she shares the traits Battler likes and wants Battler to have his blonde and bouncy girlfriend. After her brainwashing of why you would love Battler Jessica becomes SuitBeato while Shannon acts as a backup-Beatrice (DressBeato)

READ EP4'S BEATRICES' TALK WITH THIS IN MIND. SHAT BRICKS

[Anonymous No.]

Was it not declared in red that Battler was the only one to have survived until the end with the exception of Eva in ep4?
How do you explain either Jessica, Shannon or Kanon to be Beatrice then?

[Anonymous No.]

Still waiting for the Shkanon fags to address this red:

Ep3 first twilight-

# The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses!

Shannon was dead at the time they found the keys- she was a corpse. They found Shannon's body in the parlor first so it's impossible she got up and ran to the church where they found Kanon's.

So the only thing you can propose is that there was an original Kanon and his corpse was put in the chapel.

HOWEVER.

Knox rule 10. If there was an original Kanon, Shannon cannot dress up as him, regardless of DID or not, without a clue, because at that point it becomes 'intentional deception'.
There's also the whole thing with the Episode 1 second twilight, with Episode 6's red text of 'you can't refasten the chain from outside the room' precluding Kanon and Genji from the murder, leaving only Shannon who faked her death by process of elimination, too.

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>>4275160
The red text doesn't address how many envelopes there were.
It's a pretty simple loop hole.
What you should think of is WHY the culprit made these closed room that way.
There must be a reason.

Shannon's body was found first, Kanon's body was found last.
The adults had to go through the house checking every rooms to see all the corpses.
The windows of the room Shannon was in was broken.

Shannon played dead, got up and went outside by the windows when the adults went away, went to the chapel dressed like Kanon and played dead again.

She had all the time to do this since the adults were busy following the "route" she had created.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275191
>Shannon played dead, got up...
So how do you feel that you can ignore the red that declared her dead?
The red regarding the envelopes was vague but it at least wasn't a contradiction.

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>>4275297
The persona of Shannon was dead, same for the persona of Kanon.
If ShKanon is true, then they can "die" in the metaphorical sense.
Well more like they have to, since Kanon and Shannon die at different times in the different episodes.
ShKanon can't exist without this LOL THEIR PERSONALITY DIE WHAT BULLSHIT.

Don't blame me, blame R07, I think it's stupid too.

[Anonymous No.]

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2855401

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2894305&postcount=1211

Hey guys, I'm pretty sure it's dead now.

Bury it already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275338
>>4275191

A corpse is a dead body by definition, guys. Not a dead persona.

Shannon was DEAD. Not her personality. She herself.

So unless you say the adults that went there lied about seeing a 6th body, a separate body for Kanon was in the Church.

And anyway, those two Animesuki links just put another nail in the coffin.

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>>4275362
Well animesuki is full of idiots like usual
For the first post, that guy can't see the huge fucking loophole the size of the elephant that would allow Shannon to be there.

And the second post is retarded, Erika's presence is never contested, she fucking kills people for fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275362
I like thoerizing in animesuki for one reason, this one, they actually transalate all the red text

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275388
It was never stated in red that all the bodies found were corpses.
Only that letters containing the keys were found next to some corpses.
It doesn't say how many letters there were.
For example, 2 letters could have been put next to the body of Genji and Kinzo only.

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>>4275392
then please explain the part you skipped how shannon was in a different room than Kanon

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>>4275417
Shannon's room wasn't a true closed room, the windows wasn't closed by Erika.
And the red text only talk about the "go out or inside" of the room.
Not WHO IS IN THE ROOM.
There is a big difference there you know.

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>>4275392
Erika isn't the point here.

I also fail to see the loophole.

>>4275405

Er, no, it says "they were found next to corpses".

So unless the whole scene of them finding the key next to Shannon is a lie, she was a corpse. End of discussion.

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>>4275425
I meant the previous part
about
The people in the room neighboring the cousins' room are Hideyoshi, George, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Hideyoshi.
Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room.
simultaneously

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>>4275425

What are you even talking about? The red text in question is when Erika was making sure who was in each room.

Battler, as said, would have been fine repeating 'yada yada Kanon is in the cousins room'. So unless he's lying to himself, he would have been perfectly fine confirming that Shannon and Kanon were in two different places at the same time.

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>>4275433
>>Er, no, it says "they were found next to corpses".
Think a little.
Do this red text imply that there was a letter next to every corpse?
No, it states that the letters that were found were next to corpses.
It's not the same thing.
Where do see anything that imply that every "bodies" had a letter next to them? Show me.

>>4275438
The second part about the room with Jessica wasn't stated in red you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275458
In battler's thought, it was
he even says he'd have no trouble
just think a bit

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275458
Oh, and to kill this ERIKA DOESN'T EXIST SHIT.
It's stated in red in episode 6 that:
She has her own body
She fucking killed 5 people by cutting their throats off.
That she is the 18/17 visitor of Rokkenjima.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275458
>Where do see anything that imply that every "bodies" had a letter next to them? Show me.

You think a little. We're shown a scene of the adults finding the letter next to Shannon's corpse. At this point, Shannon is a corpse. None of the rest of it matters, whether there's a letter next to Kanon's or not is irrelevant, as they found Kanon's body after finding Shannon's who's confirmed to be a dead body when they found her.

Your argument has nothing to do with mine.

>The second part about the room with Jessica wasn't stated in red you know.

It doesn't have to be. Battler mentally noted it, so either he was lying to himself or it could have been said in red.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275480
First it's a really dubious translation from a retard from animesuki.

Then the alternative, Erika doesn't exist in episode 6, CAN'T FUCKING HAPPEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275480
For the first part, wait 10 minutes, I'm going to replay through that part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275490

Except Klashikari, one of Witch Hunts members, said he 'also noted that' shortly after that post.

So either that's the correct translation or you need to translate it yourself and prove them all wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care who is the culprit anymore. I just want Shkannon to be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275508
Well explain Erika killing people without existing then.
Or entering the room with Battler with her own body.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275509

Same here.

Sooner we can kill this shit the better, because we can get back to the not-retarded theories.

Even the supposed closed room that's 'only solveable with Shkanon' always sounded retarded to me, because correct me if I'm wrong, but it involves Shannon leaping out a 2nd story window, changing to Kanon, saving Battler, then changing back and climbing back through the window... all while there's other people in the room watching her do this for seemingly no reason.

It just sounds absolutely retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275525

Who the fuck cares about Erika existing or not?

I'm not advocating that theory right not. I'm solely interested in killing Shkanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275543
If Erika exists, then ShKanon has to happen.
If you want to prove that ShKanon is false, try to destroy Erika presence first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275556
Er, no, it doesn't 'have to happen'.

If A then B doesn't work here, because there's another letter called C. "The possibility we're missing".

Whether Erika exists or not, those two parts and the corpse argument from Ep3 is evidence that "Shannon and Kanon are not the same person".

So turn the chessboard around and think for a minute. If Shkanon doesn't work and Erika doesn't exist doesn't work, what could it be?

That's the question you need to be asking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275576
What can solve the 18 vs 17 red text other than ShKanon.
If you can answer this, please do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275589

Hello Mr. logical fallacy.

I don't 'have to answer' anything. I'm disproving one of the possibilities right now, not proving something else.

[Anonymous No.]

Playing through episode 3 again.
Goddam ShKanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275750
Beatrice was going to proclaim that they didn't die in an accident either in red but Ronove stopped her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275750
>>4275773

Maybe I'm missing something here... but so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275773
And then this.
So why does the "repeat that they were all killed by other people" corner Beatrice so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275782
ShKanontrice.
If the Beatrice persona killed the Shannon and Kanon persona, you can't say that they were both killed by other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275784

Because Kinzo died naturally...?

>>4275790
That's REALLY reaching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4275790
They didnt commit suicide.
If the Beatrice persona killed the Kanon and Shannon personas and they count as people it would be a suicide.

WHAT NOW?

[Anonymous No.]

And furthermore, I'm not even sure why you think it matters, since I just had a friend double check the 'key was found next to the corpses' thing and it does indeed use the kanji for 'corpse', not 'body' or anything.

So whether it was or wasn't a murder, suicide, accident, or what-not is irrelevant to Shkanon at that point.