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Is /jp/ getting the same treatment /a/ received?

Also, if anyone wishes to continue discussing the merits of Shkannontrice and Moon-chan/Jessitrice/whatever you want to call Jessica being the culprit, please continue here.

>> No.4268265

ok
Jessitrice is the lesser devil ouut of the three
JessicaxBattler with her being beatrice
MeidoxGeorge
it ends better

>> No.4268277

The fact that you know what treatment /a/ received means you should get out.

>> No.4268284

>>4268237
No. Get back to /a/, /seacats/, or /nipa/.

>> No.4268289

>>4268265
He can make Jessica cosplay as Beatrice during sex, it's great.

>> No.4268300

I like umineko, but hate /a/.
All of you are retarded shipperfags.

>> No.4268301

Jessitrice is retarded, there are more holes in it than swiss cheese. The only proof the Jessitrice-fags have can also point at Jessica being a lesbian or in love with George, hell her being in love with George creates less holes than her being in love with Battler.

>> No.4268304

>>4268289
jessica is beatrice so it's possible
battler=kinzo 2.0 but with a real waifu

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> Read episode 5. Beatrice is doing the murders out of love.
Except the red text used by Virgilia could also imply that Beatrice is not the culprit/a culprit, or at least isn't the mastermind. In fact, there are multiple hints throughout the VN that support the idea that Beatrice was making herself into a scapegoat. Pic related. (There's also Maria's little talk with Ange in Episode 4.)

>> No.4268308

They must of hacked their way into the moderator system

>> No.4268314

>>4268277

So the past hour or so of people moaning about how /a/ got deleted isn't enough to figure out /a/ was heavily under the influence of mods without having to bother checking /a/?

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>>4268301
Still better than shitty DID serial killer maid.

>> No.4268331

Some guys are running a script that's able to delete a thread by reporting it 5 times for illegal content using proxies. You guys are so out of the loop!

>> No.4268332

>>4268314
It's not enough to care.

>> No.4268337

>>4268308
If I was a mod, things would be different here in /jp/

>> No.4268341

I hope this goes on for a while I'll be on the other chans for now.

>> No.4268343

>>4268301
Shkanontrice is the retarded theory.
You guys just dont like Jessica, accept it.

Id ask youto point the holes in this theory but i guess you would just repeat everything that was said and answered last thread

>> No.4268344

>>4268331
And why can't that be disabled?

>> No.4268346

Checkmate.mp3

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>> No.4268354

>>4268331
Didn't some bunbunmaru spammer talk about that?

>> No.4268355

>>4268329
You're an idiot, DID maid exists no matter what. You're stupidity is just adding to the problem by including a DID cousin to it. Ya, Shkanontrice is bad, but Shkanon + Jessitrice is even worse.

>> No.4268362

>>4268331
A janitor still must be there to check and see if it is illegal content, dumbass. Seen all those 'Reported' comments?

>> No.4268365

>>4268332

I only care because the last thread had about another 100 posts before autosaging to death, as well as some decent points being mentioned.

>> No.4268367

>>4268337
lol, I'm actually surprised you are wrong as well

>> No.4268375

>>4268355
It dont have to be DID, you know. With jessitrice it could only be PRETEND

>> No.4268382

>>4268355
>You're an idiot, DID maid exists no matter what.
>omitted the serial killer part
Cool bias bro.
>You're stupidity
That explains volumes. And I never said Jessica had DID, stop being a dumbass by linking -trice with culprit.

>> No.4268383

>Also, if anyone wishes to continue discussing the merits of Shkannontrice and Moon-chan/Jessitrice/whatever you want to call Jessica being the culprit, please continue at the Animesuki forums.
Fixed.

>> No.4268391

Here is the one thing that bugs me about SHkannon to the point where I can't accept it at all. If anyone can answer this question, I may revise my statement.

In the first 5 games, when is Shannon/Kannon Being the same people mandatory for solving any of the crimes. Why can't they be a tag team? (I have my own theories behind why one or both of them usually die)

>> No.4268394

>>4268375
No, it wouldn't be pretend. Unless you're claiming that Jessica is so delusional that she believes she created a separate personality called Beatrice when in reality it's just her pretending.

...Beatrice.
Listen carefully.
I will turn over my love for Battler to you.
Become the woman Battler desires.

I will give you the blonde hair he desires.
I will give you the blue eyes he desires.
I will give you the new personality he desires.
And... In place of me, love him.
And if possible, be loved by him.

I can no longer love him.
The feelings I could not obtain...the feelings I could not bear...please obtain them.

From this day forward, you are no longer the phantom of Rokkenjima who only plays tricks.
From this day forward, you are the ruler of Rokkenjima, and the one who waits for him to return until he fulfills his promise.

From this day forward, you will inherit that in my place.
Thus, from this day forward, you are no longer me.

I will push all of my suffering on to you... Please forgive me for being the only one to become happy.

From this day forward, you have the qualifications to detest everything.
You are the Golden Witch, Beatrice.

And someday.
Destroy everything, revive everything.
...Bless all lovers.

At that time.
...For both you and I to find happiness together...I will be wishing for from the bottom of my heart.

From this day on, you are not me.
From this day on, I am not you.
We will divide one soul, and share.
That naturally won't fill up one soul, but. (? not 100% sure about this line)
Surely it will allow (us/you/me? no subject defined) to see more dreams than a person.
May we be blessed...
My cute Beatrice...

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Better than any of previously mentioned theories

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>>4268350

>> No.4268400

If I wasn't expecting some sort of elaborate troll, I would have no choice but to believe in jessitrice (or moon-theory, whatever).

She's been the most likely candidate since episode 1, and it seems like you can drudge up hundreds of tiny clues from each episode to form a cohesive theory about a lonely, bratty, insecure girl with a physically and emotionally abusive family who's first love was her cousin. When that cousin didn't return that was probably the last straw that helped to create (split off) the Beatrice personality along with all her magical friends.

>> No.4268405

>>4268397
THE MOON REFLECTS THE LIGHT OF THE SUN

KANON CALLS JESSICA THE SUN

BEATRICE IS A REFLECTION OF JESSICA

FFFF

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>>4268397

>> No.4268426

>>4268391
It becomes mandatory with the knowledge from Episode 6 that there are only 16 people on the island (excluding Erika, of course).

>> No.4268431

>>4268391
No one is mandatory for the murders in any episode, barring EP6.

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>>4268405
But Maria is the Sun.

>> No.4268462

>>4268394
Creating one self inside herself doesnt mean exactly that she have DID.
It could be like the Jessie-Jessica thing, she created another personality for herself BUT she's conscious of it and is definetively not a mental sickness

>> No.4268471

>>4268457
You know, for Beatrice maria is really the sun.

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>>4268471
What about Gaap?

>> No.4268494

>>4268485
Shannon = gaap

>> No.4268500

>>4268426
>>4268431

But then that's just kind of bullshit. If there arn't any murders that are unsolvable up until episode 6 that require it, then it's not an idea that's needed to solve the game. If there's nothing it helps you solve, then why should there be Shkannon? It's just a superfluous theory.

I won't know if the supposed proof is proof until I read it translated, but until that time, There's no reason for Shannon to = Kanon, when you think about it.

It more or less comes down to a matter of faith that R07 wouldn't do something so outlandish for no good reason. I tend to trust him to that extent, at least.

Considering how easy episode 6 is with Shkannon, I'm more inclined to believe that 6 is a massive troll, much like what 4 was with Kinzo=dead theories.

>> No.4268507

>>4268500
> much like what 4 was with Kinzo=dead theories.
But... Kinzo IS dead at the start of all games. Episode 4 confirmed it explicitly at the end.

>> No.4268511

>>4268500
Natsuhi death ep1

>> No.4268513

>>4268494
Then who are the trap twins?

>> No.4268521

>>4268494
Gaap = Nanjo's granddaughter. Or Nanjo himself.

>> No.4268528

>>4268511
Technically, that only requires Kanon to have faked being staked in the boiler room, and for Nanjo and possibly Jessica to be accomplices to him faking his death.

>> No.4268530

>>4268513
The illusion of love

>> No.4268534

>>4268500
That would be fine, but there's plenty of evidence that shows Shannon and Kanon should be the same person.

We get character development when people are not being murdered, after all.

I thoroughly abhor the Shkannontrice theory, but Shkannon seems pretty solid to me, even if this wasn't a murder mystery.

>> No.4268542

>>4268530
Love is an illusion, a misunderstanding.
Mutual love is a mutual misunderstanding of being mutually loved.
And engagement is a vow to not wake up for your whole life from that misunderstanding.
────Ronove

>> No.4268543

>>4268507

Yes, but at the time, this was a big theory, and the entire game was basically made to dick around with the players, and make this disbelieve that theory.

More to the point, Ryukushi said that he wasn't going to put "Kinzo is Dead" in 4 (I guess it would be in 5) but because the fandom had guessed it, he changed it. I suspect something like that happened in 6, to trick all the Shkannon people.

>> No.4268546

>>4268521
How about...no?

>> No.4268557

>>4268543
Once. Again. EPISODE FOUR CONFIRMED KINZO'S DEATH AT THE END. EPISODE SIX DOES NOT DENY SHKANON AT THE END, BUT RATHER MAKES IT ALL BUT EXPLICIT.

>> No.4268586

>>4268557

Stop missing the point, douche.

My point is that Episode 4 shows proof that Ryukushi knows his fandom and dicks with them. He said as much in an interview regarding that game.

Episode 6 could be a similar event, but to different effect.

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>> No.4268596

>>4268586
Then please solve the closed rooms of Episode 6 and the final red texts of the Episode using something other than Shkanon.

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>> No.4268599

Fucking Jessitrice-fags deny anything that is proof against their theory. It's Shkanontrice no matter how much you deny it, eat it you delusional faggots.

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>> No.4268618

>>4268599
>believing in a DID meido
>calling others delusional

Cool story bro

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>> No.4268634

>>4268599
>implying Shkannontrice, rather than Shkannon
Just give up and die already.

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>> No.4268685

>>4268599
Nah bro, leave them be.
Let them get their hopes up about a LOLINCEST end and get their hopes and dreams dashed in EP7.

The bitch tears will be delicious.

>> No.4268687

>>4268599
There is no proof.
You are the delusion

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>> No.4268701

>>4268685
LOLINCEST vs LOLFOURSOME
which is worse

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>>4268685
There's no incest.
And most of you shkanontrice friends dont have love.

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>> No.4269154

I fucking hate the weekend.

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>> No.4269251

>A thread about Shkanontrice and Moon-chan getting Cirno bombed.
This is delicious. I love umineko but I'm sick of the same, unoriginal bullshit.

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>> No.4269300

>>4269154
But KoG is on 24/7.

>> No.4269328

>>4269251
moon is the flavor of the month, come with something more controversial and she'll dissapear, i for once started the whole revival of jessica for real by posting how could she avoid ep2' death with ep6 info, from then on, Jessica only won more force

>> No.4269352

>>4269328
Well congratulations, you filled all the theory threads with faggotry.

>> No.4269359

>>4269328

Oh? I'm curious what you mean by this.

>> No.4269365

>>4269352

Oh, because Shkannonkinzobattlertrice isn't faggotry.

>> No.4269371

>>4269365
It's faggotry too, but why would you add more shit to the shitpile?

>> No.4269381

>>4269328
>>Implying that >>4268350 isnt what gave force to Jessitrice

>> No.4269389

>>4269371

Well, I suppose that the two fires burning each other out is the best you can hope for.

>> No.4269390

>>4269371
We have been trying to find the truth.
You have a better theory? No? so get out.

>> No.4269400

>>4269389
Or they add up creating a BIG PILE OF FIERY FAGGOTRY. I swear, it's actually spreading to /a/, too.

>> No.4269408

>>4269381
It doesn't give any strength to this theory, anyone who doesn't have asperger can see that she is talking about her failed confession to Kanon.

>> No.4269438

>>4269390
>We have been trying to find the truth.
>pushing a less probable theory with more holes in it
Hmm, something doesn't seem right. I know Shkanontrice is bad and all, but you're doing the opposite of helping our problem.

>> No.4269440

>>4269408
>>Implying that kanon exists after all this shit

HERE WE GO AGAIN

>> No.4269451

>>4269438
I see everyone pointing holes and holes but i dont see anyone disapproving this theory sucessfully.

Also, what we are doing is looking for alternative theorys, it just happened that we stumbled into some good shit while at it

>> No.4269459

>>4269408
Or she's embarrassed and doesn't want it to get out that she went out with a cross-dressing girl, who everyone knows is a girl but Battler.

>> No.4269461

>>4269451
>Good shit
>Moon-chan
Heh...

>> No.4269466

I've been reading all these theories since it started here.
It pains me to say this but ShKanontrice has no holes, nobody managed to even dent it.

This new Jessitrice/Fusiontrice has more holes that a swiss cheese though.

>> No.4269475

>>4269451
>good shit
>adding another DID person to the equation
Wow, do we have bad taste.

>> No.4269483

>>4269466
>shkannontrice has no holes
This is what shkannontricefags actually believe.

>> No.4269493

>>4269483
Where are the holes then?

>> No.4269497

>>4269466
Fusiontrice is shit.
Jessitrice has no holes, but not much of a form yet, its in development.

Shkanontrice have no ''holes'', except for the fact of being extremely shitty, copying Tsukihime and throwing into the garbage tons and tons of development and ''love''.

Seriously. Shkanontrice just WONT happen. So lets look another way

>> No.4269500

>>4269497
>>Seriously. Shkanontrice just WONT happen. So lets look another way
It will, stop deluding yourself.
Your fault for expecting a good plot from R07.

>> No.4269503

>>4269493
Beatrice was created to obtain the feelings the original couldn't. Shannon had Battler's love already so why the need for Beatrice.

>> No.4269505

>>4269493
The fact that it's garbage and relies on wordplay that may as well make the red text completely insignificant.

>> No.4269514

>>4269503
Battler dumped Shannon and didn't come back for 6 years, breaking his promise and all.
You can't fault her for thinking that he really didn't love her at all.

>> No.4269517

>>4269500
>>Calling jessitrice a shitty theory
>>Calling R07 a shittty theory
>>Disregarding jessitrice because its ''shitty''

>> No.4269524

>Your fault for expecting a good plot from R07
This. It's the same guy that came up with ALIEN PARASITES, after all.

>> No.4269526

>>4269517
*shitty writer

>> No.4269536

>>4269524
You didn't even read higurashi, did you. THERE WERE NO ALIEN PARASITES.

>> No.4269553

>>4269505
And shkanontrice doesnt rely in wordplay?

You make me laugh.

Being ''garbage'' is not a argument because R07 is a ''shitty writer'' anyway

>> No.4269561

>>4269553
Shkannontrice does rely on wordplay. That's what I said. Can you read?

>> No.4269562

>>4269497
>Jessitrice has no holes
>Jessica being near Battler when he meets Beatrice at the end of EP1 isn't a hole.

>> No.4269567

>>4269536
Yes, it was in fact, all made up by DEEN, right?

>> No.4269573

>>4269562
>>Implying Shannon couldnt disguise herself as Beatrice even if Jessitrice is true

>> No.4269581

>>4269567
Haha oh wow...the parasites weren't aliens, that was a red herring.

>> No.4269589

>>4269581
It's still fucking stupid, bro.

>> No.4269595

Shkannontricefags shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Jessitrice is fucking awful, but let's not forget that the method for Shkannontrice is swapping and deleting personalities at will. That is utterly ridiculous, just like Jessica's insulin death theory.

>> No.4269611

>>4269595
>just like Jessica's insulin death theory
It isn't ridiculous, dlanor agreed don't bother her about it.

>> No.4269624

>>4269595
>let's not forget that the method for Shkannontrice is swapping and deleting personalities at will
So it's ok if two people start swapping and deleting personalities at will instead of just one?

>> No.4269628

>>4269581
Alchemist decided to go the extraterrestrial-origin route with their additions to the Higurashi series, though.

>> No.4269637

>>4269628
The routes added in the PS2 version were written by R07 you know.

>> No.4269654

>>4269637
Never seen confirmation on that.

>> No.4269658

>>4269637
Cool lie, bro.

>> No.4269662

>>4269624
It doesnt have to be as complicated as that.
Jessica herself admited to creating more than one self inside herself, but it isnt DID.

Beatrice is a illusion, a mask, not a persona.
Shannon doesnt have a mental illness she just changes between Kanon and Shannon for a reason, whatever it is.

That would explain why Jessica and Beatrice(in jessitrice) are so look alike personality-wise

>> No.4269713

>>4269662
But the person who created Beatrice specifically treats Beatrice as a separate individual from themselves.

>> No.4269716

>>4268237
>>fags ITT trying to figure out what is what with out every single chapter is not out yet. Have fun with your "theories"

>> No.4269734

>>4269716
>I have no idea how to read a mystery novel. What? You're supposed to try to figure it out on your own before reading it all? What does that mean?

>> No.4269751

>>4269734
I will be honest I do not care since I am unable to play the fucking vn and all I am let with is "deen quailty" so unless they do a new anime I will not know what is going on even if they butcher it.

>> No.4269760

>>4269751
*at all fuck

>> No.4269788

>>4269713
In the magical interpretation yes.
In the make believe that she created with Maria yes.
But Jessie is still Jessica.

>> No.4269789

>>4269751
GTFO. You have failed, do the following to prevent further fail: 1. read the source, 2. lurk moar

>> No.4269808

>>4269789
read the source and I am still unable to load the game, I have tired over and over again and all I ever do is lurk.

>> No.4269866

>>4269808
How can your computer not load Umineko, it's not like the specs are memory intensive.

>> No.4270051

>>4269866
well i guess because i am using windows 7 64bit

>> No.4270423

>>4270051
Runs fine on my computer that has a 64-bit version of Windows 7.

>> No.4270456

>>4269734
Except the problem here is that a lot of the support for ShKanon comes from episode 6, which is not translated. I'm not going to try to debunk the red or try to solve what's going on in that episode until I've read the episode myself with a proper translation, rather than an Atlus translation.

>> No.4270483

>>4270456
People are a bit too precocious, that much is certain. But they shouldn't be admonished for trying to figure it out, just for being over eager to do so.

>> No.4270484

>>4270456
Doesn't change much, I haven't read 6 because it isn't translated. There's more than enough evidence without it saying Beatrice has to be either Kanon or Shannon, making Jessitrice complete bullshit.

>> No.4270495

>>4270484
There's as much evidence for Jessitrice.
Havent you learned with Erika/Natsuhi?

A plausible truth is not a absolute truth

>> No.4270500

>>4270483
>precocious
Mukyu~

>> No.4270539

>>4270423
then i do not know what the problem is the instaillon gets stuck halfway through on "Files 07th_expansion umineko ?????????.exe" it really is starting to piss me off sigh, maybe i need a better disc mounter or torrent

>> No.4270549

>>4270483
No, I do understand their eagerness. I just don't understand them saying "well then you prove how they could do this any other way." We'll try once we've read it.

In any case, there are those of us that actually want to try to find other ideas, rather than just give up because one theory sounds plausible. Unfortunately, we can't all just get along and try to do that here.

>> No.4270553

>>4270539

Try downloading EP4 from ftp://145.120.9.54/

Anonymous
/jp/

>> No.4270554

>>4270539
If it's giving you ??????? shit, then you don't have your locale set to Japanese.

>> No.4270601

>>4270553
An ftp?
Wait, what's the average uptime of this server?
Or are you hosting it temporarily?

>> No.4270626

>>4270601
FTP is usually up. Been up for a looooonng time.

>> No.4270632

>>4270601
Have you changed your locale to japanese?

>> No.4270635

>>4270601

Not my server. As for how reliable it is, I can only recall it crashing once in the past 2 months, and that was fixed in an hour or so.

>> No.4270694

>>4270632
yep did that and still no fucking luck yeah i love lurking and reading these threads with out a full understanding of wtf is going on so yeah...

>> No.4271169

finally got this game to work so i will contribute more to this board later

>> No.4271179

>>4271169
Congrats, enjoy your rage as the episode progress.

Savor the first four.

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