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Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 18:57:55 No.4245503 [Reply] [Original]

Shkanon is over isn't it? why are people talking like it isn't? It was denied in episode 5...
Both Battler and Erika are present, and its after Bern declares Erika as the detective in red, so there's no argument of "there's no detective yet"

The only reasoning behind Shkanon was that Shannon and Kanon were never in the same room together when detective Battler was present, cept for the possibly fake "dead shannon" of ep1

Shannon and Kanon exist as separate people at the start of every game; whether they cross-dress after one of them dies (making it seem like they're both alive when one of them has died earlier) has always been a possibility.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:05:55 No.4245557 >>4245503 You are incompetent.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:06:55 No.4245564 File: 206 KB, 640x624, 1263753059386.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Then solve it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:07:55 No.4245577 I don't like Shkanon either OP, but you're a fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:08:55 No.4245580 >'I' >on either side of me, were George-aniki and Jessica Non-detective Piece Battler's perspective. No longer reliable.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:09:55 No.4245589 > The only reasoning behind Shkanon was that Shannon and Kanon were never in the same room together when detective Battler was present No. Most of guys seem not to have understood yet why and how this theory exists.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:10:55 No.4245596 >>4245564 Shannon couldn't be in the guest house right? If kanon left so should shannon the red should only apply when it was said then

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:12:55 No.4245607 >>4245503 This is "non-detective is stating the detective saw it" pattern.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:17:55 No.4245631 Person X never tell a lie. Person Y tells a lie. Now Y said "X saw magic!" Is it an evidence that magic exists?

Shiki-kun Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:20:55 No.4245642
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You're a fucking idiot, Op.

Battler never sees Kanon and Shanon together.
George never talks with Kanon.
In Ep1 Kanon says his duty is to watch Shannon.
Battler never sees Kanon's death body.

Both Kanon and Shannon can see Beatrice in Ep2
Virgilia's line: "Shannon and Kanon were originally a furniture pair."

Talks about creating different personalities in Ep1, Ep2, the whole Ep3 is about a supposed different personality of Eva.
There are only 16 persons in Rokkenjima.
The whole game is filled with Shanon= Kanon clues.

>>whether they cross-dress after one of them dies (making it seem like they're both alive when one of them has died earlier) has always been a possibility.

No. It has never been hinted.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:21:55 No.4245649 >>4245564 >three personalities? man this theory is incredibly idiotic and unlikely- >SOLVE THIS WITHOUT SHKANNONTRICE YOU CANT CAN YOU HAHA I WIN

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:22:55 No.4245653 > No. It has never been hinted. Oh, and DID, THREE PERSONALITIES ONE OF WHICH IS A WITCH has?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:23:55 No.4245654 >>4245564 Solve what, where the heads of the people in the mansion went?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:24:55 No.4245664 >>4245649 Several possible solutions have been raised to that puzzle as it is.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:27:55 No.4245671 File: 104 KB, 850x632, luna.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4245653 First of all, Shkannon is not the same fucking thing as Shkannontrice And did you seriously miss HURR OTHER PERSONALITIES that Jessica shoved in your face?

>>	Shiki-kun Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:28:55 No.4245678 File: 1.96 MB, 842x2379, 1263952316143.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4245653 yes

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:31:55 No.4245691 >>4245678 disguised as Bearice=/=being Beatrice it's been hinted from ep1 onwards Shannon disguised as her, so it doesn't proved that she's the real one

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:32:55 No.4245693 File: 96 KB, 640x481, Shakkanontrice.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:33:55 No.4245699 >>4245693 >implying that referred as being a personality and not that she rpresents many things in the island

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:33:55 No.4245700 >>4245691 So it has been hinted in Ep1, and hinted EVEN stronger in Ep2 and you still deny the possibility?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:34:55 No.4245703 >>4245664 Name them. And the "Kanon is related to Kumasawa" one better not be one of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:35:55 No.4245704 >>4245703 that room can be solved with Shkanon alone, no need of shkanontrice

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:35:55 No.4245706 >>4245703 "Kanon is related to Kumasawa" is superior to Shkannontrice.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:35:55 No.4245707 >>4245699 It's not that she represents multiple things; it's that she IS multiple things. Her personality is based on that of two distinct characters; the Beatrice of the legend, and the Beatrice who was created to love Battler.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:36:55 No.4245711 >>4245703 They're on the archive, go check for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:37:55 No.4245712 Fusiontrice > plain Shkanontrice

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:37:55 No.4245716

>>4245707
but 'the legend of beatrice' is based on many things
-the first beatrice kinzo loved
-the second one rosa killed
-the speculations of the servants
-the mysteries in the house
-the woman they see at night
-the epitaph witch
she's many things, the beatrice of the legend is ALL those things

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:40:55 No.4245730 Godfuckingdammit not these shitty theories again

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:40:55 No.4245735 File: 1.42 MB, 2100x2237, 7921763.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4245716 The legend has many components to it, yes, but in the end it's a single legend.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:41:55 No.4245744 >>4245735 about multiple and different women and rumours there's no just one legend Beatrice, there are many that's what bern was referring to, she DOESN'T know about Beatrice's past, if she had, she'd win ep6, you know

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:44:55 No.4245761 >>4245744 Why would Bern know Beatrice's past to begin with?

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:46:55 No.4245773

about ep6 closed room, Kanon went out of the room, at the same time, Shannon also did it, since she can remain in the room, because id impossible
Kanon entered the room, saved BAttler and changed back into Shannon
this is easy way
This is based in that no one can pretend to be shannon or just adopt it since it lacks clues of people being able to do it and is based on pure intuition

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:47:55 No.4245779 >>4245773 Kanon never went outside of the room, he did enter though and he isn't in the room anymore. Red text doesn't lie.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:49:55 No.4245782 Well, I think that a bomb blew up the room. This settles the issue.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:49:55 No.4245785 >>4245779 Spontaneous Combustion.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:50:55 No.4245786 >>4245782 Bomb wouldn't have gone off until midnight on October 5th.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:51:55 No.4245790 >>4245786 It doesn't have to be THE b0mb. It can be, say, a medium bomb.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:51:55 No.4245792 >>4245785 Doesn't help him get out of the room in the guesthouse.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:51:55 No.4245794 >>4245779 did i say he went out of the room? NO, I said he changed back to Shannon, what these peopel want to force with Shkanontrice can be solved by Shkanon

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:51:55 No.4245798 >>4245790 If a bomb had gone off, meta Erika would have known it due to her piece form getting blown up, and thus would have the solution to the red text.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:52:55 No.4245801 >>4245790 >>4245782 Erika was there, in this room. She would have realized if it had blew up.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:52:55 No.4245804 >>4245794 Um... Shkanon is confirmed. At this point the argument is mainly over who created Beatrice, and who contains that personality.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:53:55 No.4245809 >>4245671 Yeah, Jessica basically was trolling Kanon at that point. And yet people skip right over it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:54:55 No.4245811 >>4245794 ShKanontrice is just the normal evolution of ShKanon, it doesn't have anything to do with this closed room. Just that if ShKanon is true, by following the narrative and characterization, ShKanontrice has all the chances to happen as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:54:55 No.4245813 >>4245801 Okay, then Kanon died whilst in the room.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:55:55 No.4245817 >>4245813 Erika searched the room completely. She would have found a body.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:55:55 No.4245819
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>>4245712
Well, I agree with you somewhat.
It's pretty damn clear that Jessica did some kind of mind fuckery to create Kanon. I wouldn't be too surprised if she did it back in the day as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:55:55 No.4245822 >>4245811 And it's the most likely to be true if Shkanon is true. (Regardless of who actually created Beatrice, that is. Fusiontrice is a variant of Shkanontrice which states that Jessica forced the Beatrice personality on proto-Shannon.)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:56:55 No.4245823 >>4245817 The closet? Or how about the method Kinzo was proposed to avoid Natsuhi's detection in episode 5?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:57:55 No.4245826 >>4245823 > Or how about the method Kinzo was proposed to avoid Natsuhi's detection in episode 5? Erika thought of that, but discarded it for some reason that I don't remember.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:57:55 No.4245827 >>4245822 Somehow, I wouldn't put it past Moon-chan. Devious bitch is devious.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:58:55 No.4245830 Except Fusiontrice is stupid and didn't have any foreshadowing at all. Jessica never had anything to do with Beatrice. And I don't see how or why a 12 years old girl would force her maid to get ill with DID or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:58:55 No.4245832 This thread needs more small bombs.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:59:55 No.4245839 >>4245823 She searched the closet last. It's possible that Kanon moved from one hideout to the other but dead don't walk.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:59:55 No.4245840 File: 196 KB, 655x1005, Motherfucking Moon-chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4245819 Fucking Moon-chan.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 19:59:55 No.4245844 File: 4 KB, 153x26, smallbombs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4245832 WE ARE SMALL BOMB SMALL BOMBS DO EVERYTHING

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:00:55 No.4245848 >>4245840 Everybody lies about Kinzo. There's a lots of thing that could explain this.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:00:55 No.4245850 >>4245830 Thing is, Fusiontrice resolves the things in the monologue of Beatrice's creator (from Episode 6) that conflict with plain-vanilla Shkanontrice.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:00:55 No.4245854 >>4245839 how about he fell over and died once she left

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:01:55 No.4245857 File: 147 KB, 593x1021, The Moon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4245848 Resistance is futile.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:01:55 No.4245858 >>4245850 >>that conflict with plain-vanilla Shkanontrice No it doesn't. Also it's obviously a MONOLOGUE, can't be Jessica talking to Shannon or something, wouldn't make sense at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:02:55 No.4245860 >>4245854 He wasn't in the room when she was there.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:04:55 No.4245866 >>4245860 okay, then he tried to escape her detection, then fell over and died in the room, then she left

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:04:55 No.4245868 >>4245866 Stop trying, can't fight against the red text.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:06:55 No.4245874
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>>4245830
>Fusiontrice is stupid
>endorsing Shkanontrice
Three counts against you, buddy.
First off, the Kanon persona came to be because of Jessica. This, in addition to the fact that Jessica is the only one who talks about the concepts of personas in the game, provide ample foreshadowing that she'd be capable of doing it. So as odd as forcing a persona on someone seems, just look at Kanon. Second count against you is that there are only two female characters in the game described as inelegant. I'll leave you to guess who they are. Finally, the issue of Shkanontrice being redundant for Shannon if she is the creator. Shannon is aware of Beatrice, and subservient to her. This hardly makes any sense. In addition to that, making a persona to love someone is moronic if the memories are not going away(Shannon remembers Battler good and clear). That's like saying OH NO MY HEART CAN NO LONGER LOVE BATTLER, running into a room and dying my hair white, and calling myself Anoonymous, and loving Battler.
Essentially, if one wanted another to love Battler on their behest, it would make much more sense to have another person do so, or at least create a persona that you are unaware of, so to dump the feelings and memories. Creating a persona you are both aware of and that has the feelings and memories is redundant. There is no need to create one.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:06:55 No.4245876 >>4245868 Sure it can. I see no holes in that theory.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:07:55 No.4245880
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>>4245827
She isn't devious, she's just a good liar. Any moron with a straight face can lie, it doesn't make them brilliant mastermind.

Now Kyrie, on the other hand, who is a complete yandere and straight up says how she was preparing a knife to stab Asumu with is fucking evil crazy.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:08:55 No.4245885

>>4245848
And her lying twice in episode 4? I simply point you to where Jessica is angered by Natsuhi being killed by Kinzo.
You can try to say she's in on it with Krauss and Natsuhi, but the fact that she has such a dramatic reaction to Natsuhi being killed by a dead man is a bit of a heavy hint that she's up to no good. Oh, and of course the blatantly evil phone call later on.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:08:55 No.4245887

Somebody explain ShKanon to me in relation to the Ushiromiya family. Do Krauss and Natsuhi pay Shannon double for Kanon's work, is it really all her work and she'd just imagining half of it being Kanon's? Same with work schedules. Do they even know Sh is Kan? Did Kanon really ever exist? What the fuck man.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:09:55 No.4245889 >>4245880 And she's out of action almost entirely for two whole episodes. You fell for the red herring, gg.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:10:55 No.4245892

>>4245874
Kanon didn't came to be for Jessica, it would go against all his characterization.
All we know about his "job" is that it's something filthy that stained his soul and that he is very close to Kinzo.
He also constantly say that it's his job to look over Shannon.
It has nothing to do with Jessica.

And creating a persona in someone else, especially when you are a 12 years old girl, is about the stupidest shit I've ever read.
Also NO HINT WHATSOEVER that there was anything between Battler and Jessica 6 years ago.
And "Beatrice" is only linked with 2 people, Kinzo and Battler, no link with Jessica whatsoever.
Don't you think there would some clue that Jessica caused her creation if it was really the case?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:10:55 No.4245894 >>4245889 Oh but Moon-chan can fake her death WITH THE MAGIC OF LOLINSULIN Kyrie doesn't have to be the mastermind. She created the closed rooms and the culprit killed her since they saw her as useless or even a potential threat.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:12:55 No.4245898 >>4245889 And Moon-chan doesn't have an alibi for every murder in EP 1 and EP 3. EP 4 she at most killed George - during the 1st twilight she was always with the cousins.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:14:55 No.4245906

>>4245840
I don't see anything in that pic that could show that Jessica knows about Kinzo's death.
She could really not know.
When she says "same as last year", it's just that he stays locked inside as usual.

Heck the "It hasn't been like that lately" shows that she probably really doesn't know.
You guy should really look better at the things you build your theories around.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:14:55 No.4245908 >>4245894 I completely forgot about the possibility of her being able to fake her death because of that. Thanks for that info Anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:15:55 No.4245910 So..has anyone given it a try at the chain of events that occurred because of Battler's sin? Also I have a question for Higurashi readers: Was the doll that K1 gave Rena part of a domino effect?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:15:55 No.4245911 >>4245898 But we don't really know when the first 6 were killed. It could have easily happened after jessica and george left.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:15:55 No.4245914 >>4245908 Can't work, not with the dose of insulin needed.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:16:55 No.4245921 Jessica actually put a slow-acting poison into some of the food. Her Inhaler is the antidote.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:18:55 No.4245925 I read through this thread and I still don't see how the OP was wrong. Erika saw them. /Shkanon is dead.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:19:55 No.4245930 >>4245925 you mad Op?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:20:55 No.4245934 >>4245914 tell that to all the anons who think Jessica faked her death in EP 2.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:21:55 No.4245940 File: 22 KB, 640x480, umineko_op5snap.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shkanon is true, but Jessica is the culprit. Also, the moon is clearly very suspicious.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:23:55 No.4245941 >>4245925 Erika didn't see them, Battler "did".

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:24:55 No.4245946

>>4245940
Jessica can lie, but I can't see her being the ultimate mastermind.

Also the moon comes up at night time. It's clearly night time in the picture, therefore the moon is there. Simply by realizing it's night time this level of reasoning, etc etc

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:27:55 No.4245953 >>4245925 ur rite op, and magick exists to becuz we saw it

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:29:55 No.4245958

this is it. you should have figured out R7's strategy behind umineko by now. Shkannon is his deliberate trap that would seem not so easy at first but then tempting enough for all the "clever" fans to fall into. Later he'll just close some loose ends and add in new/supplementary contents to create a "new" solution, and then every fan will make that fatlus face and cry out "fucking genius!"
why don't you see this?

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:30:55 No.4245965

>>4245892
Actually, there is quite a bit on Battler and Jessica's relationship. It's platonic, of course, but duh, they were 12. Oh, and the issue of the promise being the pony thing which cauese people point to towards Shannon. Shannon tells Battler about the Pony promise(Oddly enough, under prompting by Jessica), so I doubt that'd be the thing she'd want him to remember(What he has to remember he has to do on his own, and Beatrice's actions in episode 4 pretty much confirm this)

And Kanon is irrevocably linked to Jessica, and I'm not talking about RAABU.

And then there is the issue of redundancy. If Shannon created Beatrice to love Battler in her place, I'd accept that, but only if Shannon was unaware. The thing is, she's not. She is aware of the persona, and subservient to it. There is no point to her having one if she herself is the creator. Now, someone like Jessica on the other hand would indeed benefit well from such an arrangement.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:32:55 No.4245974 >>4245914 Insulin's been used as a tactic in mystery novels before. Also, it's a detective novel, there is a room for artistic license.(DID does not work that way, fyi.)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:33:55 No.4245980 >>4245958 brain parasites. Hanyuu.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:34:55 No.4245982

>>4245946
Shannon, Kyrie, and Jessica seem to be the big 3.

Shannon is a lowly, seemingly insane maid, I can't see her as more than a pawn.

Kyrie is intelligent, and totally capable of killing. She's also shown to be overtly suspicious. As others have said before, there is suspicious, and SUSPICIOUS. Because of this, it's hard for me to think she's the culprit, and not a red herring.

Jessica suffers something similar as Shannon. She's like 18, and brilliant enough to orchestrate the murders? But with Shkannon being all but confirmed, Jessica cannot be less than an accomplice.

So unless we have a Kyrie culprit with Jessica and Shkannon accomplice, I'm thinking somehow Jessica is the mastermind.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:34:55 No.4245984 File: 56 KB, 493x480, 1262323203796.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4245980 > Hanyuu

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:35:55 No.4245986 >>4245958 >implying Ryukishi will have a brilliant solution that is not Shkannon I envy your utter naivete.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:38:55 No.4246003

>>4245982
> Shannon is a lowly, seemingly insane maid, I can't see her as more than a pawn.
Speaking of pawns...

Bern slowly lifted up a black piece. That was the piece that represent Beato. A piece that is sometimes a king... Sometimes a queen, a knight... But that is only when it is promoted. Right now it is but a pawn... A garbage piece.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:38:55 No.4246004

>>4245982
Well, in a nutshell, Jessica is the rule of unintended consequences personified.
Shannon = Kanon?
Well, guess who HAS to know if that is the case?
Kanon faked his death in episode one?
Guess who was brolaxing with Nanjo?
Kinzo is dead?
Guess who should know that as well?
Magic doesn't exist on the gameboard?
Guess who makes a statement to the opposite effect in episode 4?

The more theories you run, the more things fall into place. Really, Jessica can't escape suspicion.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:41:55 No.4246016 >>4246004 DUN tick tick tick DUN DUN tick tick tick

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:41:55 No.4246018 >>4246016 I think her theme will be BLACK KNIGHT. That'd be fucking awesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:41:55 No.4246019 File: 87 KB, 1280x720, 1248412180418.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4246016 I fucking hate you, and everything you stand for.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:43:55 No.4246023 >>4245986 >implying as the author he can't make at least ten different solutions out of thin air at ep8. >implying fans won't be impressed by whatever trick he uses to "debunk" shkannon.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:44:55 No.4246032 >>4246003 You forgot to mention she drops that piece into the spot where the Black Queen would be if I remember right.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:46:55 No.4246035
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>>4246023
Guys, guys, chill, he hasn't debunked Shkanon yet. You fags may even get Shkanontrice too!
Don't see why you'd want it, but don't act like you're about to get the truth taken away from you.

With that said, yeah, shit can still happen.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:46:55 No.4246036 >>4246032 Yeah, but she did so without promoting it. Meaning that even though it's in the spot for the black queen, it's still a pawn.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:46:55 No.4246037 >>4246023 >implying anyone would be happy with an asspull Yeah, we sure did enjoy Higurashi's ending.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:50:55 No.4246049 >>4246036 I wouldn't be too quick to jump into chess symbolism. Literally, her being a pawn in the queen spot could mean damn near anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:50:55 No.4246050 >>4246018 Black Knight should be Sorcerer Battler's theme.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:52:55 No.4246056 File: 348 KB, 637x473, pawnsasqueens.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4246049 It means Bern is going to fucking troll the shit out of EP 7 and reveal the true culprit. Not the first time she did this.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:52:55 No.4246058 >>4246050 He's back on the white side, though. I think he's the white king, actually.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:53:55 No.4246067 >>4246056 Nah, I think the true culprit is going to destroy her, in a MY EVIL PENIS IS LARGER THAN YOUR EVIL PENIS manner.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:53:55 No.4246068 >>4246058 Well depends what the game is like. Pretty sure Witches = White, Humans = Black. Mostly because Beatrice makes her preparations before Battler makes his deductions, so she makes the first move.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:54:55 No.4246074 File: 221 KB, 300x450, BATTORA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4246068 Actually, hot damn, you're right. Team Black is Battler, my bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:55:56 No.4246076 >>4246068 Funnily enough, it's the other way around. Well... according to piece Beatrice in Episode 4.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:56:55 No.4246081 >>4246050 No, Checkmate should be his theme.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:56:55 No.4246083 >>4246076 It could just be a metaphor, since the Beatrice up there is probably Shannon

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:56:55 No.4246084 File: 102 KB, 657x517, wut.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4246068 Battler is white, ironically. Ryukishi probably went for the WHITE IS GOOD GUYS, BLACK IS BAD GUYS bit rather than chess rules.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:56:55 No.4246086 >>4246074 That's from the anime. They never get anything right.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:56:55 No.4246087 >>4246018 I think rog_limitation works fairly well as her theme.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:57:55 No.4246088 File: 41 KB, 400x587, AWESOME.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4246083 You mean Jessica.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:57:55 No.4246090 >>4246084 Maybe he's moving around the human pieces (black), while on Beato's side of the board (since he's trying to see the game from her perspective)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:58:55 No.4246094 >>4246083 Deleted my post that you linked to because of >>4246084, which confirms it without any need to bring in piece Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 20:58:55 No.4246096 >>4246087 She needs one with slightly more despair and a sprinkle of class. Akin to Bern's theme at the farce of a trial in episode 5.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:00:55 No.4246102 >>4246088 Even the manga is giving Battler blue eyes now?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:00:55 No.4246106 >>4246102 That's a fan coloring so..

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:01:55 No.4246110 >>4246106 Ah.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:01:55 No.4246115 >>4246102 Japan wants to be the master race, apparently.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:04:55 No.4246122 >>4246096 Remix of Rog Limitation. Or a rock version of Happiness of Marionette. That'll do.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:06:55 No.4246131 >>4246122 If she's a big baddie, she'll get her own TROLL THROTTLE IS STUCK AT TROLL theme.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:06:55 No.4246133
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I hate to say it. But I cannot deny it. Shannon is Kanon. Shannon is the mastermind. It explains all the games, tricks, and closed rooms. Even I thought, before EP6, Kanon was the mastermind since he was the only one who could have done the killings in EP1, but since Kanon is Shannon, she technically did it.

Fuck. It's game over.

>>>/rs/Kanon_and_Shannon_are_the_same_person

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:07:55 No.4246141 >>4246133 Shannon is almost guaranteed to be Kanon, but we still have hope she isn't the mastermind! It can still be Jessica or Kyrie! In this story, we should hope for the shiniest piece of shit, not the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:08:55 No.4246142 >>4246133 Oh, hey there Shkanonfag! You do know that no one buys the whole I HATE TO ENDORSE THIS THEORY BUT WALL OF TEXT posts, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:09:23 No.4246145 >>4246141 To be fair, at this point it's just denial.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:10:55 No.4246149 >>4246141 I can only pray that R07 sprinkles enough sugar on this piece of shit to make it somewhat palatable, even if I have to consume it. Well, at least I can say I stole this piece of shit and didn't fork over any money for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:10:55 No.4246152 >>4246004 Ah, fiddlesticks, Lunar-lass!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:13:55 No.4246163 File: 163 KB, 1440x900, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh SON OF A BITCH.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:14:55 No.4246168 >>4246163 Akinator, as a magical being, already knows who the culprit is.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:14:55 No.4246170 >>4246163 oh u

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:14:55 No.4246171 >>4246163 W... What the hell?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:16:55 No.4246181 >>4246171 I put in everything we know about the culprit from a mystery perspective, and bam, moon.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:20:55 No.4246201 File: 55 KB, 700x525, 1264713615469.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4246163

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:21:55 No.4246205 >>4246163 HOLY SHIT, Kumasawa is Beatrice!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:22:55 No.4246211 >>4246163 FUCK, FUCK, I JUST TRIED IT, FUCK FUCKING MOON-CHAN!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:24:55 No.4246225 >>4246181 uh-huh, sure

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:25:55 No.4246226 >>4246211 Akinator knows!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:27:55 No.4246234 just a quick question but isn't the villain some one different every time?? Or just the same person over and over??

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:27:55 No.4246235 >>4246152 Why is it so fun to type Moon-chan? I mean, fuck, I love this nickname.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:30:55 No.4246243 >>4246234 Different variables, but there are constants. A constant is a mastermind, a variable may be involved randomly.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:31:55 No.4246246 >>4246235 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXJmOIEqwvg&feature=related

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:31:55 No.4246249 >>4246211 What did you use. Because I just tried it and didn't get the Moon or Jessica

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:34:55 No.4246255 >>4246249 I just got Jessica, no moon though.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:34:55 No.4246256 >>4246234 Like in Higurashi, it should be that the killers, or accomplices, can change freely, but the one who instigates, creates, and perpetuates the Rokkenjima serial murders must be the same.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:35:55 No.4246270 File: 83 KB, 469x478, hid_defa1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4246256 This fucker is behind it all. How would that make you feel?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:36:55 No.4246271 >>4246270 .....Nah.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:36:55 No.4246274 >>4246270 AWESOME srsly, that'd be one villain done right for r07

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:37:55 No.4246282 >>4246256 I still think Kinzo set everything up in his will.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:37:55 No.4246286 >>4246270 Hideyoshi is like the only good guy in the entire goddamn story, it really is an island of assholes if even he's a murderer.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:40:55 No.4246297 >>4246282 Issue of that is that he's dead for more than two years.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:41:55 No.4246303 >>4246286 only good guy to kill a little girl by impaling her, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:44:55 No.4246334 >>4246297 I wouldn't put planning out the general details and leaving the rest up to others past him.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:44:55 No.4246336 >>4246303 Well, if he killed Maria, I think he's the best guy in the story.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:45:55 No.4246341
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>>4246303
Stop, Hideyoshi is a good man.

Rudolf, while being a slut, is also a good man.

Krauss is borderline retarded, but he's innocent too.

As for the women, well, this is a Ryukishi novel, women are fucking evil.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:48:55 No.4246363 >>4246336 I wish that I could hate you to death

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:49:55 No.4246367 >>4246363 UUUUUU mad?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:57:55 No.4246419 >>4246341 Battler is a good man too. Eva, too, is good. Natsuhi is flawed, perhaps horribly so, but she is not involved directly.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 21:58:55 No.4246427 >>4246419 What about Gohda?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 22:01:55 No.4246443 >>4246367 yes maria is my daughteru~

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 22:01:55 No.4246445 >>4246427 The true TRUE mastermind. He was the one who raped Jessica, well, it was rape AT FIRST.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 22:14:55 No.4246546

>>4245965
>Shannon tells Battler about the Pony promise(Oddly enough, under prompting by Jessica), so I doubt that'd be the thing she'd want him to remember(What he has to remember he has to do on his own, and Beatrice's actions in episode 4 pretty much confirm this)
>under prompting by Jessica
Oh god, this means that Jessica KNOWS and is trying to stir up shit. Wow, Jessica is a huge bitch.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 22:16:55 No.4246573 >>4246546 She's fucking Moon-chan, man. MOTHERFUCKING MOON-CHAN.

Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 23:05:55 No.4246911

My biggest complaint about Jessica being the mastermind is EP2's flashback to her school's talent show. Sure, her happiness could just be a blatant lie, but then what would have been the point of the flashback? Nothing particularly revealing about Kanon or Jessica is revealed beyond Kanon seeing a side of Jessica that he never saw while at Rokkenjima (interpret that as you wish).

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 23:09:55 No.4246931 >>4246911 Well, it did show us that Jessica was willing to use brass knuckles on people she considers friends.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 23:12:55 No.4246942 >>4246931 THIS

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 23:15:55 No.4246956 >>4246931 Does this happen before or after Tsurupettan?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 23:15:55 No.4246958 >>4246956 before

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 28, 2010 23:18:55 No.4246969 >>4246958 Well, guess I can re-read that scene then.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:46:55 No.4247283

>>4245892
You forgot Natsuhi (who the culprit tries to pin in EP5, and marks the door with blood in EP1, also George, Shannon and Gohda found dead in her room)
And Maria.

There's some things that people tend to not notice too...I'd recommend moon-fags to re-read the ''girlfriend'' talk between Jessica and Battler in EP3. Is it me or is Battler the one who always take conclusions about Jessica loving Kanon?

Its fishy enough to be a trap.

Also another thing that i find strange is that Jessica always find her parents corpses but her parents are dead in the only Episode where her corpse is found earlier. (Also in this episode Kinzo isnt burnt)

Just a piece of my mind

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:49:55 No.4247292 >>4247283 You mean "but both her parents"? Krauss dies in Episode 1 and Natsuhi dies in Episode 4. Also, Jessica herself only discovered the bodies of Krauss and Natsuhi in Episode 3.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:52:55 No.4247298
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>>4247283
Well, I will say this. Her conversation with Shannon about a boyfriend is creepy as fuck, her conversations with Shannon are creepy as fuck, and you only realize how creepy they after you realize that she knows about Shkanon.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:52:55 No.4247300 >>4247292 And in ep2, banquet, candy, and then she runs away with ''kanon''. Basically she saw one of her parents corpse in every EP but EP 5. But that wasnt my point tough.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:53:55 No.4247302 >>4247300 Jessica didn't discover her parents in EP2, Rosa and the servants did. Hm.....

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:54:55 No.4247307 >>4247302 I believe she saw them, though. Rosa is fucking sketchy in episode 2 as well, but, the poor gal usually dies early on.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:55:55 No.4247312 >>4247307 Rosa is intelligent. She just happens to, well, die.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:59:55 No.4247316 >>4247307 Yeah, she even claimed she talked to Kinzo in 2. But I see Rosa as more of someone taking advantage of a bad situation, rather than the culprit or accomplice.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 00:59:55 No.4247322

>>4247307
Yes she does

>>4247302
And you are still missing my point.
Its not about ''discovering'' the bodies, but about dying before her parents/seeing their bodies.
(If i was talking about ''discovering'' in EP1 who ''discovers'' the bodies of the first twilight are Natsuhi + servants)

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 01:02:55 No.4247330 >>4247322 Ah, so you're saying that it is odd how she dies after them most(and if she used that insulin trick like we suspector all of the time? Yeah, it is. Moon-chan is fucking suspicious.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 01:02:55 No.4247332 >>4247312 Rosa is a bitch who gives manufactured ugly toys to her daughter just to say that she did it herself.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 01:05:55 No.4247341 >>4247332 Beatrice was able to state that Rosa made Sakutarou specifically for Maria's birthday. So the first one, at least, was made by Rosa.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 01:07:55 No.4247347

>>4247330
There's a catch here.

When someone dies the normal reaction for Umineko characters is:

a) If its your son/daughter/loved one you RUN into him/her ,hug him/her and then proceed to cry in his/hers manboobs/boobs.

b) If the victim doesnt have a father/mom/son/daughter/loved one present, everyone avert their eyes and then Nanjo proceeds with the authopsy.

So, we can assume that the ones most likely to be faking dead somehow would be the ones who Nanjo checks himself. Like jessica in ep2..

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 01:11:55 No.4247357 >>4247347 If I remember correctly, didn't Battler not check Hideyoshi, Rudolf, and Kyrie's bodies in Episode 3? He let Nanjo actually examine them closely, didn't he?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 01:13:55 No.4247365 >>4247357 If my memory doesnt fail me George ''checks'' Hideyoshi, but Battler just stand there, hands in the pockets, crying.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 01:17:55 No.4247375 >>4247365 Correcting myself, the one that hugs hideyoshi body is Eva (who also hugs george before he dies), but only in the anime. In the novel this action isnt expecified

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 01:53:55 No.4247511 File: 100 KB, 1280x720, pic-not-related.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Could someone please refresh my memory on the pony conversation?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 02:02:55 No.4247582 does anyone have that picture where someone solved the epitaph?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:01:55 No.4247932 blah blah shkanontrice blah blah moonchan don't you guys realize rosa is the true culprit

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:26:55 No.4248076 >>4247932 What would Battler's returning to the island have to do with Rosa?

Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:37:55 No.4248118
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Umineko's truth seems to be very complicated.

According to the blog of Sayaka Ohara, who is Beatrice's seiyuu, she was taught the answers by Ryuukishi at last October and it took 2 hours.

We probably aren't able to look forward to one idea explaining everything clearly.
We have to think about everything we have seen and synthesize them all.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:38:55 No.4248121 >>4248076 she wants his cock

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:40:55 No.4248138 >>4248118 > it took 2 hours Okay, what the hell could be so complicated as to take an entire two hours to explain? Though I do find it fitting that R07 felt that the VA for Beatrice, who herself knows the answers, should also know the answers.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:43:55 No.4248151 >>4248138 'You see, it all started when Kinzo was a baby and drank sugar milk. This is vital for 23 of his actions over 76 years'.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:46:55 No.4248162 >>4248151 ...Goddammit, I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:47:55 No.4248166 >>4248138 The last thirty minutes involved the staff prying Ohara's hands from Ryukishi's throat for having such a ridiculous plot.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 03:50:55 No.4248182 >>4248118 Sounds like it truly _is_ a clusterfuck of everybody trying to kill everyone else.

Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:01:55 No.4248231

There are few people who know the answers and aren't 07th staff.
Mangakas and their editors, Akiko Shikata, some core members of the anime project... Sayaka Ohara is one of them.

dai has practically been a member of 07th, so I don't count him as that kind of people.
He first heard the answers and then played EP1. And his impression was "I surely have been taught the answers, but EP1 still made me confuse."
Ryuukishi said he was happy with that impression.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:19:55 No.4248305 >>4248231 >Akiko Shikata He told a singer?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:20:55 No.4248307 >>4248305 she's in charge of making the openings, and those have clues with them so, why not?

Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:22:55 No.4248318

>>4248305
>>4248307
The anime OP.

The final judgement shall be delivered
Nobody can escape the sin that flows in their veins

The dark clouds gather to the tune of the rumbling sea
The winds of the tempest begin to ring

The enigmatic words make the witches chuckle
While the banquet of this irregular night repeats

(This hope) Falling towards hell,
(is it a sin?) these golden butterflies
dipped their wings in how many sins?

Don't cry,
destroy these imprisoned illusions
Just once, rise above your demise
Hold on to the unfulfilled promises into your heart
And burst open the deep, deep red!

Are you without sin?
How heavy will my punishment be?
Do you realize that which has no voice?
Do you realize your own sins?

This open wound is like a crimson rose
This hatred lodged in my heart begins to bloom

(Keeping this secret) With its wing snatched away,
(is it a sin?) who does this one-winged bird
call out to in its final moment?

Don't run
from your errors, the truths, the lies
Allow magic to change everything
With love, with sorrow, take this answer that came too late
and tightly, tightly hold on to it. See?

The dazzling light begins to flow, the door to paradise is opening

Miracles pour onto this obstinate fate
This entangled world is crumbling

Don't speak the words of the eternal curse
Don't listen to your true wishes

Don't cry,
destroy these imprisoned illusions
Just once, rise above your demise
Hold on to the unfulfilled promises into your heart
And burst open the deep, deep red.

It is impossible to get to the real secret if you do not realize all of the love

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:24:55 No.4248325 >>4248307 >>4248318 Oh, she does the lyrics? I figured like every fucking animu singer, someone else does the lyrics and she just provides the quality voice.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:25:55 No.4248331 >>4248325 There are a fair number of singers who write the lyrics themselves. Akiko Shikata is one of them; Nana Mizuki is another.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:30:55 No.4248344 >>4248318 And Episode 5 got released almost the same day the anime OP single came out.... that timing couldn't have been coincidental.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:41:55 No.4248378 >>4248331 I just wish Nana would do more fast paced songs. I love her when she's screaming her voice out, but I don't care for all her slow sentimental songs. Unreleated, I know, just wanted to throw that out there.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:43:55 No.4248382 >>4248378 I do know what you mean; it's a bit why I like the previous Nanoha OPs better than the movie OP.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 04:49:55 No.4248402 >>4248378 Damn, me too.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 29, 2010 05:50:55 No.4248603 >>4248325 Lyrics by Akiko Shikata Composed and arranged by Akiko Shikata Sung by Akiko Shikata

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