/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Asumu cuteness is a miracle of the universe.

[Anonymous No.]

naked george chronicles is the best thing about rifyu.

[『 五角场 ～ 之 ～ 无名氏 』 No.]

no IT'S NOOOOOOOOOT

[Anonymous No.]

Rifyu needs to take over Umineko, no more GRIMDARK bullshit, just goofy sprites, dick humor, moe, Final Destination.

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

Kinzo is looking pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224313
butthurt kyrie fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224330
But Riyfu and Ryu are the same person.

DID, man. It's everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224361
Then Rifyu needs to swallow the Ryukishi personality, it's overstayed its welcome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224299
Do we even know how Asumu looked like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224365
But by disposing of the grimdark Ryu personality, the Rifyu one will just face more confrontations with the personality he created to love BT, once he realized that he was unable to due to mass amounts of faggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

In before Asumu shows up in episode 7 and looks exactly like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224299
Translation bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224295
Now you did it once again. You never learn, do you? Kindly STOP spamming, harassing and generally attacking the best site on the Web: www. anon
talk
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Yours sincerely, an anonymous AnT and general well-doer of the Internet as a whole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224386
I wouldn't put it past him.

This comic, for example, was posted almost a year before EP6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224386
she can't be red haired, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224386
I'm okay with this.

Asumu having long red hair is how I always imagined her, since it contrasts Kyrie in a way. Also the parallel is pretty amusing.

Kyrie - short hair, white. Most women don't have short hair. White is usually a color associated with purity.
Asumu - long hair, red. Longer hair is seen as more feminine. Red is usually a color associated with evil (demons have red eyes, etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224299
Asumu is such a slut. Kyrie is clearly the superior woman.

[Blick Winkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>4224299
Rifyu translation
1. Today is Sunday!
Asumu-chan's coming, right? Asumu-chan!
2. Pardon the intruSPECIUM BEAM!!
PEWPEWPEW PEWPEWPEW
Aaaaah, I've been hit!
3. To come here every week means she must have really taken a liking to Rudolf, huh...
4.　When I'm here (Rokkenjima), I can see Ultraman Color. It's the best!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225351
so cute

[Anonymous No.]

Asumu? More like Aslut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225351

That's adorable

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225351
Why are the comics with Asumu so nonsensical.

First one she pretends to be a totem pole
Next one she gives Rudolf lunch
Now this one she is talking about Ultraman

see this is why kyrie is superior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224299
I'm not sure.

Kinzo: Today is Sunday!
Kinzo: Asumu-chan will be coming, right? Asumu-chan!

Asumu: Sorry-to-bother-you-specium-beam!! [Note: it's a pun with ojamashimasu and some Ultraman move]

Kinzo: Gwoh~ I'm done for~!!

Eva: She comes over every week, so it means she's into Rudolf, doesn't it...

Asumu: Because you can see with Ultraman color when I'm on Rokkenjima, this is the best!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225363

She doesn't get to watch Ultraman in color all the time, man.

[Blick Winkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>Ultraman Color
Uh, make that "Ultraman in color."

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji readings for names make me very uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225374
Which is why she's glad she gets to go to Rokkenjima. Just to see Ultraman in color.

Total slut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224297
Now you did it once again. You never learn, do you? Kindly STOP spamming, harassing and generally attacking the best site on the Web: www. anon
talk
. com, please. We DO NOT want you there. We never did. GOT IT? If you want these messages to stop, simply STOP fucking with us, remove all lying troll articles about AT and kill all the illegal clones (using whatever method necessary). Then you will never be bothered again. Every single time we see the slightest attack or spam on our site (which can be reasonably expected to origin here or any related "chan"), you will get 8,911 more of these messages as a result. It's really up to you. This is a promise that WILL be kept up indefinitely if need be. Seriously.

Yours sincerely, an anonymous AnT and general well-doer of the Internet as a whole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225419
Fuck you pal, I would've killed a man to watch Ultraman in colour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225432
would you date a manwhore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224299
See, how do Ange and Battler have red hair if Asumu is not their mother?
This bothers me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225459
Genes from Grandfather.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225469
that none of his children had and appeared two timed in a row with the same son, yeah why not
inb4 eva and maria, they have orange red

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225479
skipped a generation

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225469
This could refer to a different relative, I guess, but it's kind of awesome to imagine Kinzo back in the day as a watered down Battlerclone, getting dragged around by Nanjo to brothels and such.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225491
yes, also the Jessica, George and Maria generation

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225495
watered down? Kinzo was exactly like him, if not worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225497
Well, George has black hair, that's forgivable. Maria's dead is MIA.
Jessica could have gotten her hair from Krauss.
Then again, if Krauss was truly allowed to reproduced, my faith in natural selection has just been destroyed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225513
It was implied that he was incredibly spineless before he had to go and become the family head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225519
That's our Battler!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225519
Hey, Battler is pretty chillax. He has no real desire to be the head, and believes in his family.
.....Which is not the wisest of all ideas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225522
Battler might be kind of spineless, but he's not a total pussy.

Kind of. He bawwws a lot, but he has some badass moments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225531
Piece Battler is the fucking man.
Meta-Battler is just being fucked in the mind with a wrench, you can give him a bit of leeway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225537
oh yeah, meta battler, the same drying faggot of ep2, he was only cool during the scene 34 toook control

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225537
Piece Battler is awesome because he has an inanimate hatstand waifu and doesn't afraid of anything except for witches and boats UUUUUUOH.

Meta Battler is a bit of a pansy sometimes, but hey, sometimes the guy taking the beating is just as awesome as the guy giving one. Also, cape. He goes batshit for his waifu, which is ultimate dedication.

Also, cape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225561
He's a good man.
And a good man is hard to find.
It'll be interesting to see him confront the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225554
crying*

[Anonymous No.]

piece battler=normal eprson
meta-battler=anon, fighting for his waifu

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225566
That's a good way to describe Battler.

He's a good guy. He really is.

He slams faces into tables and desires cowtit sandwiches. He bawwws with little restraint and can take a surprisingly large amount of torture.

So basically, he's a pretty cool guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225459
Kyrie's genes and Rudolf's genes?

I mean, both are the parent of both children so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225571
Piece Battler is a rational dude who enjoys trolling Erika and beating the crap out of delusional blondes who think they are witches.

Meta-Battler is a dude who enjoys fucking the crap out of a blonde who is a witch.

Depends on preference, I suppose.
Piece Battler has more of a tragic hero vibe going for him, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225581
and meta no?
also i remember the trolling-Erika plan was meta's plan that passed onto his piece
also he was the one to kill erika with Beato
tragic hero, fighting for his only one love, but will meet a tragic end, while piece doesn't know anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225587
Meet a tragic end?
The hell you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225587
I think he just said that so he wouldn't seem dumb. Otherwise he would have seen the logical error that Erika forced coming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225595
Either

A) He ends with with a DID meido or Jessica
or
B) MANSION EXPLODES, EVERYONE DIES

so yeah he's fucked no matter what happens.

[The Donglord of Flopshire !seoRo0Xaik No.]

dongs

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225598
>>He ends up with Jessica
I don't quite see the problem here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225605
She's in love with the DID meido. And she's his cousin.

then again, the delicious rage tears of batbeato shipperfags would be glorious

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225626
Oi, you. There wouldn't be tears. There would be rage.

You would be the target of that rage.

[Anonymous No.]

Asumu is Beatrice

[Anonymous No.]

Waiiiiiiitttaaaammmiiiinnnuuuutteee...

Ange has red hair. But neither kyrie nor rudolf have red hair.

So what makes you think asuma has red hair? It's probably passed down from the grandmother that we never hear about because of BEATURICHIEUUU

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225626
there's gonna be tears unless Ryu makes a good meta ending, i couldn't care less for the poeple in the board, but natsuhi, she's especial

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225636
No there would be tears.

because beatrice is imaginary and the pony theory has been pretty much obliterated by EP 6. only part of that shit that was true was the most obvious part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225638
But Beatrice isn't a slut.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a complete Battler/Beato shipperfag, but I want a hobo end.

What the fuck is wrong with me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225626
>She's his cousin
Again, I really do fail to see your point.
George gets the retard meido, Battler gets delicious WINCEST end with Jessica.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225646
It depends on what kind of hobo end you want.

If you want a fucktarded fiction end where the pieces constantly die, then you're just crazy.

If you want a sappy, good piece end but a depressing meta hobo Battler end, then...I'm in the same boat.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm the only one who sees that SHkanon would really ahve no problem to love battler, but just I'm a maid, you're the family son?
for this thing, Jessica, with her mother's punishments, being the heir and the forbidden love thing makes it mmore interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225646
The Verochia dream is dead and so is your hopelessly depressing hobo end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225479
There are two pigments that determine hair color.
Four polygenic gene pairs determine the amount of Black vs. Blond pigment.
One incompletely dominant gene pair determines the amount of Red pigment.
There are 27 genotypic hair colors.

B = Black
b = Blond
N = not red
R = red

Let's say Rudolf's genotype is BbBbBbBbNR. His hair is so dark that the red is imperceptible.

There we go, Battler and Ange got their red hair from their father.

Also, lolanimehair.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah Asumu is super retarded, but admittedly it was the late 60s. Retard moe and hippies were everywhere. Even in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224386
I'm going to laugh hard if this happens. It probably will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225682
>>4225682

>even i japan

Don't you mean ESPECIALLY in japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225655
Well, yeah. Also, Shannon HAD Battler's love.
The creator was unable to obtain Battler's feelings. Shannon was Battler's first love, in his own words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225655
>>4225704
Fusiontrice, dude. Jessica created a personality in Shannon to be Battler's waifu because she felt she wouldn't be able to herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225669
Nothing killed a depressing end. Battler has already revived his waifu and there's 1-2 games left.

There is still plenty of time for a soul-crushing end for Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225677
>>implying that hair color can be solved with Mendelian genetics and a Punnett Square rather than allele crossing and proteomics.

Nah I'm just fucking with you. lol anime hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225711
Fusiontrice is stupid and you know that

LOLBRAINWASHING

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225712
It's R07, there's gonna be a TWEEEST. Dude is the eleven version of Shyamalan.

Plus, delicious dramatic whiplash. Like Moetrice getting all of Beato's memories, and then insisting Battler should kill her, because that's what he promised he'd do. He does so, breaks down in the middle of it, bawwwfest full of UUUUOHs, etc. It's been explained before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225724
Someone should make a picture of Kinzo doing the laundry, but inside the washing machine are peoples' heads.

lol brainwashing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225724
are you saying the depressed Jessica wouldn't do it, maybe those Natsuhi's punishments taht were meant for jessica, were done by Shannon while jessica brainwashed her

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225712
I love how the game says Moetrice is amnesiac Beato from EP 1-5, but at the same time it was stated in red that the Beatrice from EP 1-5 was dead and never has a chance to be revived.

I think everyone is just lying to Battler and Moetrice to make them feel better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225724
Quite frankly, if you endorse Shkanontrice, you are hardly in a position to talk about rationality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225735
>I think /jp/ is just lying to themselves

Fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225716
Yeah, I oversimplified it to show the possibility. I know there are more factors like diet, environment, and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225735
well, it was a miracle, moetrice was just the new one, but since battler kept treating her like an amnesic person, she really turned into that
then the miracle

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225734
No.
There's no foreshadowing to Jessica being a psycopathic brainwhasher whatsover and not any indication that would point to the possibility of someone creating a persona inside another person.

Stick with Moontrice and Shkanon, it makes you look less stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225724
Problem is, there's a whole bunch of evidence/hints supporting Kanon = Beatrice, Shannon = Beatrice, and Kanon = Shannon. There's also the fact that Shannon and Kanon were stated to have been created due to the sin of the person they refer to as "father". They didn't say he created them; they said his sin was the reason for their creation. But there's then the question of why the creation of Shannon and Kanon occurred, because if proto-Shannon herself created Beatrice, you wouldn't think that would cause her to be completely changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225734
Wait, did the story say that Shannon had to be Jessica's substitute for punishments? Because I wouldn't put having a whipping boy (girl) past them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225734
I, for one, think Jessica may have planned out part of what happened in Episode 5. Natsuhi being made to sit in a closet for a whole hour, the exact same sort of punishment she'd used on Jessica in the past? Seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225746
So miracles contradict red?

In that case, please let there be a miracle for Shkannontrice to not exist.

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody answered me yet, what is Kanon's job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225749
> There's no foreshadowing to Jessica being a psycopathic brainwhasher whatsover

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225735
They said she can't be revived and that's totally true.

Moetrice isn't exactly like the old Beatrice, but she gets it down pretty well in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225751
All this ''evidence'' is based in (mis)interpretations that could simply be wrong or reffered to something else.

So far, Jessitrice has as many foreshadowing as Shkanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225767

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225763
Unhappiness =/= Being a psycopathic bitch

Try harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225763
Just seems like your average emo teenager to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225772
Same thing, and i saw these two screens before.
He could be reffering to the tragedy that he knows will happen, independent of being Beatrice or not. Its likely that Shkanon know the truth tough.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Might as well post some Kyrie stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4224299
>>Jessitrice has as many foreshadowing as Shkanon.
Actually no it didn't.
Beatrice never interacted or showed any interest in Jessica.
There is also the impossibility of her her being the Beatrice who appear at the end of episode 1
Or the fact that Shannon and Kanon both had hints of suffering from DID (soul that was divided, etc...), Jessica not so much.
And no playing the popular girl in school isn't a sign of DID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225773
Protip: There's foreshadowing enough to show that Jessica is manipulative, and as stated many times over, Shkanontrice does not fulfill the red monologue. You can't just ignore these things. And for foreshadowing, it doesn't have to be spelt out for you. Like, for example, in WHEN THERE WERE NONE, the culprit is not the crazy person you find him to be.

This is because a good culprit isn't OVERTLY sketchy. Rather, through the case, you see stuff which does not add up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225788
Beatrice is not the culprit. Jessica can be your culprit, but not Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

Hideyoshi wants to repay his debt, reclaim the body of Kinzo the man who allowed him to experince a loving family again.
Natsuhi is hiding tjhe body so Hideyoshi stops playing mr nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225783
Is it time to remember when Kyrie was the culprit and not Shkannontrice!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225788
ShKanontrice does fulfill the monologue, it's just Sayo throwing all the bad stuffs, feeling for Battler's included, into Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225788
Moon-chan theory != Jessitrice, dude. We know Jessica is fucking sketchy at this point, despite how she seemed relatively benign throughout most of the Episodes and only now, looking back, do we see all the hints towards her sketchiness. As well, keep in mind that Beatrice was trying to get Battler to reach the truth about her in Episodes 1 through 4, and that the fantasy scenes contain many hints. Who has Beatrice interacted with most? Shannon and Kanon. Who were the only ones who saw and interacted with the witch Beatrice in the pre-game flashbacks? Shannon and Kanon. (Natsuhi doesn't count, because delusions.)

In my opinion, Shkanontrice is the case, but Jessica is controlling her/him/them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225793
Beatrice is the culprit, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225802
Kyrie is such a dedicated waifu.

she literally prepared to kill Asumu and then the slut died on her own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225802

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225817
EP 5 would like to have a word with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225811
So what's the reason for Beatrice hating Rosa then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225822
Nothing happened there.
Well except for BOMB at the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225824
Maria is Beatrice's best friend. Rosa treats Maria like shit. You figure out the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225786
Yes beatrice never showed any interest in Jessica even tough she should as she lives in the island and is related to all kind of bullshit that happens there. Dont you think its strange? =)

-Jessic uncombs her hair and turns into the Beatrice persona, no problem with that. Also even if she's Beatrice it doesnt prohibit Shannon from dressing as her if asked to.

-Jessica was the one that for the first time showed the possibility of creating more than one persona inside herself. She's shown creating a new persona for the same reason that Beatrice is created:
To get rid of pain, to get rid of loneliness, unnecessary feelings, emotions and love.

Do you really think that its not foreshadowing?

-And one last thing, if Shannon is Kanon do you really think that the festival bullshit really happened as its shown? Are you believing in magic? :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225828
Virgilia said in red Beatrice never murdered for fun or revenge. If the promise is the motive then Beatrice murdering for it would technically be revenge.

>>4225824
Beato is bffs with Maria. Rosa kicks Maria's ass around all the time. Put two and two together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225818
...Shit, what Episode does that screenshot come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225829

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225832
Speaking of the festival bit, when you think about it, Jessica putting on brass knuckles and beating up her friends, while funny at the time, is actually a bit scary.

[Lunatic Type-Moon Fan !SHIKIazrn2 No.]

What if Rosa's husband was the culprit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225839
EP 5, right after Erika says that Natsuhi killed Krauss because she loved Kinzo.

ALSO LOOK AT THIS LIAR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225846
The anime really fucked up some of the bits showing the close relationship between Beatrice and Maria, like the stuff from Episode 3, or what happens in the Episode 2 tea party.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225832
Actually the foreshadowing with "Jessie" was Kanon's reaction to this.

Also your other points are completely fucking stupid.
In episode 1 Jessica was just BEHIND Battler and Beatrice appeared in front of them, dressed like in the portrait.
Or maybe Jessica is the flash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225817
Ask yourself this: why is Beatrice making (meta) Battler go through the game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225849
Standard anime behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225854
More like fucked up showing that Rosa can be a nice mama when she isn't batshit crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>Jessica was the one that for the first time showed the possibility of creating more than one persona inside herself. She's shown creating a new persona for the same reason that Beatrice is created:
To get rid of pain, to get rid of loneliness, unnecessary feelings, emotions and love.

Hideyoshi has multiple accents & if a man understands loneliness it's him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225856
So he could learn the truth and kill her and blahblahblah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225859
No, see, if she just went and beat up her friends bare-handed, then yeah. But she put on brass knuckles. You don't use those when you aren't trying to inflict serious damage, unless you're mentally unstable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225849
typical tsundere girl behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225809
Ah, but here is where it all falls down.
Sayo is(she says, lol DID) incapable of loving George. The creator is superior to Beatrice, not inferior. If Shannon created Beatrice, she shouldn't have the furniture status she had.

Oh, and don't say Sayo just got up and died as a persona, this was a deal made to dump the feelings, true, but also to allow the Creator freedom.

Hence, Shkanontrice doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225856
To make him understand the reason everything happened, to repent and maybe to show him her "love".

The Beatrice of the gameboard is just a sad crazy pitiful girl who did everything out of love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225867
Are you arguing for Jessitrice or Fusiontrice? Because you seem to be arguing for the latter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225856
Because she's crazy and figured he'd be willing to fuck her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225865
Again, typical tsundora behavior. All tsunderes beat up their friends when they let out she's actually nice inside.

Don't look too much into the comic scenes bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225855
>>My points are stupid
>>Only answering one of my phrases (and the one that i gave two possibilities)
>>Believing in something as fucked up as Fusiontrice

haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225867
Shannon does love George.
Also Shannon has all the memory of Sayo, shown by episode 3 and 4 when they talk about the past.

Shannon is probably just a dumbed down version of Sayo, with all the bad stuffs removed, they were given to Beatrice.
Since she is dumbed down, she isn't the original either, therefore she was created too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225882
I don't believe in Fusiontrice at all though, it's fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225855
So you are so completely sure of the truth that you can know what is foreshadowing and whats not, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225887
Except the creator of Beatrice specifically stated that they created Beatrice so that they could achieve happiness on their own, without having to wait for Battler. They used Beatrice as a sacrifice, in a sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225876
Neither.
I think that Jessica isn't even that important, if anything she is manipulated.
She has nothing to do with Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

I solved it: Battler isn't Asumu's son because he's Ange, Kyrie's daughter. And Ange is actually Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225895
Show's over guys, time to go home.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225895
And they're both Amakusa, who is Kinzo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225891
The creator said "maybe" it was just a small hope.
She also said "I will push all of my suffering on to you".

Beatrice is basically a concentration of Sayo's rage, but Sayo do want that Beatrice that she created for Battler to be loved by him, she doesn't really expect it though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225895
We already know this.

Ange = Juuza = Battler = Kinzo = Kanon = Shannon = Beatrice.

Ange therefore is Beatrice.

Brocon end confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225887
Yes, which is exactly my point.
.
She is not the creator.
Because as Shannon, and, for that matter, Kanon, she can not love. She is furniture, inferior to Beatrice.

The creator IS NOT inferior to Beatrice. The creator, is "selfish", as she herself claims.

Essentially, Shkanontrice says that the creator dumped her Beato side into a persona to love Battler, but the issue here is that the creator did this to achieve some freedom.
Shannon, if the creator, cannot be a servant to the Beatrice persona.
And yet she is.

There is someone else involved here. Beyond the Beatrice persona being redundant for Shannon, it's counterproductive.
And also, like I said, were Shannon the creator, she should have no problem loving George.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225905

You forgot Jessica.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225910
Read my post again.
Shannon isn't the creator, she is a dumbed down version of the creator.
Sayo without the bad memory, Sayo who can accept her fate and live as a furniture.
She was created too.

Also you misunderstand the monologue.
Reread this:

"And someday.
Destroy everything, revive everything.
...Bless all lovers.

At that time.
...For both you and I to find happiness together...I will be wishing for from the bottom of my heart."

They both can only find happiness and love after destroying everything (and therefore going to the golden land), fit with what we saw of Shannon and Beatrice, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225910
This.
Shannon creating the Beatrice persona to have the ability to achieve happiness would make sense if she wasn't a slave to it. But yet, she is. Funny, that.

[Anonymous No.]

Amakusa is Battler, who is Kinzo, who is actually Beatrice, who is Jessica/Kyrie/Shannon/Kanon/Asumu, and Kasumi is Asumi who is Kyrie, who is also Rudolf who is every male in Umineko, thus explaining why he is a whore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225893
Moon-chan and EP6 would like to have a word with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225928
*Asumu

Point is, they're all the same person who is actually R07 who is Rifyu who is Sen-Ka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225922
See >>4225925. If proto-Sayo was the creator, there'd be no reason for her to create Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225929
Episode 6 actually helps my point, the poor girl had to be possessed to become dangerous.
George though happily killed his own mother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225578
>>4225636

Sauce?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225933
Shannon was created to become a furniture, that's all.
To work on the island, she still had to do her work after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225922
That won't work.
I understand the monologue completely. The creator holds the authority. The creator is in charge. And yet, Shannon is a servant. Serving the Beatrice persona. The creator is the one putting the burden on Beatrice. Not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225939
Well, I'd agree with you that a furniture could just mean a literal servant, were it not for the fact that they are limited in the ability to love.
This, is telling. And quite so.

[Anonymous No.]

So, why did Kyrie pick up a cigerette butt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225939
No. Shannon was created due to the sin of the person she and Kanon refer to as "father". And the most likely person for that to be would be either Kinzo or Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225941
How many time do I have to repeat myself.
Original = Sayo
RAGE + love for Battler = Beatrice
Sayo - Beatrice and made to be a perfect Furniture = Shannon

Kanon was probably created to deal with Kinzo and therefore "protect" Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225935
Im defending Jessitrice as a tragic heroin not as the psycho fuck from Fusiontrice, you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225949
Because she's Beatrice who is Battler who is Shannon.

She picked it up while cleaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225947
Read the monologue again, the one who said it can't love too.

>>4225950
>>No. Shannon was created due to the sin of the person she and Kanon refer to as "father".
That's easily explainable by the fact as Battler was partly responsable for making Sayo go crazy with DID.
He was therefore the cause of their creation.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>4225957
>tragic heroin

That sounds totally dangerous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225949
because she wanted to frame Hideyoshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225963
All she said was that she could no longer love Battler, most likely because waiting for Battler was too painful for her. She never said she'd never be able to love again.

[Anonymous No.]

...Beatrice.
Listen carefully.
I will turn over my love for Battler to you.
Become the woman Battler desires.

I will give you the blonde hair he desires.
I will give you the blue eyes he desires.
I will give you the new personality he desires.
And... In place of me, love him.
And if possible, be loved by him.

I can no longer love him.
The feelings I could not obtain...the feelings I could not bear...please obtain them.

From this day forward, you are no longer the phantom of Rokkenjima who only plays tricks.
From this day forward, you are the ruler of Rokkenjima, and the one who waits for him to return until he fulfills his promise.

From this day forward, you will inherit that in my place.
Thus, from this day forward, you are no longer me.

I will push all of my suffering on to you... Please forgive me for being the only one to become happy.

From this day forward, you have the qualifications to detest everything.
You are the Golden Witch, Beatrice.

And someday.
Destroy everything, revive everything.
...Bless all lovers.

At that time.
...For both you and I to find happiness together...I will be wishing for from the bottom of my heart.

From this day on, you are not me.
From this day on, I am not you.
We will divide one soul, and share.
That naturally won't fill up one soul, but. (? not 100% sure about this line)
Surely it will allow (us/you/me? no subject defined) to see more dreams than a person.
May we be blessed...
My cute Beatrice...

I don't know where you guy see that the "creator" can love normally.
Of course she can if by normally it means killing everyone.
You should read things carefully before creating theories.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225964
In the right way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225968
"And someday.
Destroy everything, revive everything.
...Bless all lovers.

At that time.
...For both you and I to find happiness together...I will be wishing for from the bottom of my heart."

Reading comprehension, etc...
The creator can only find hapiness after having Beatrice kill everyone.
Sure seem like she can't love to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225951
So what the fuck happened to Sayo?
She can't just vanish you know.
The creator wanted to achieve happiness, not oblivion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225983
Uhhhhhh....

KINZO RAPE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225983
Do you know what "dumbed down" mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225973
>>Please forgive me for being the only one to become happy
There we go. That's the ticket. Whine and snivel about reading comprehension all you want, the Creator is becoming happy.
That, is not Shannon. Shannon is limited.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225989
Why would becoming furniture bring her happiness?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225989
Yes, I do, but Sayo as the creator achieves happiness, i.e. the ability to love.
Something as a furniture she can not do.
It does not add up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225994
>>4225992
Because she doesn't have to suffer anymore maybe.
There is a clear distinction between the "Please forgive me for being the only one to become happy." that follow directly the I WILL PUSH MY RAGE ON YOU and the KILL EVERYONE SO THAT WE WILL FIND HAPPINESS TOGETHER.

[Anonymous No.]

need
more
comics
boner
is
fading

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226002
No comics, but I do have sexy superior culprit pictures.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226010
Kyrie is now Beatrice confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225973
Just by reading this it's kinda obvious that it's some kind of DID faggotry.
Especially the :
We will divide one soul, and share.
That naturally won't fill up one soul, but. (? not 100% sure about this line)
Surely it will allow (us/you/me? no subject defined) to see more dreams than a person.

If it's not DID, I don't know what it is.
What a crazy bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225998
You're the one drawing out that. All the monologue says is
>>Destroy everything, revive everything.
>>...Bless all lovers.
And she wants both of them to find happiness, but she says specifically that she is the one becoming happy from the deal AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
She wants BOTH of them to be happy, but she says, clearly, FORGIVE ME FOR BEING THE ONLY ONE TO BECOME HAPPY.
Ergo, the creator's happiness is not reliant upon everyone dying, and destroy everything, revive everything, doesn't even have to mean that.
But saying I am becoming happy, leaves no room for doubt.

Heck, I think that furniture are directly stated to not be able to experience happiness word for word, if you really must try to justify this gaping hole in the theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226019
"At that time." are the key words there.
They both will find happiness and the lovers will be blessed when everyone will die.

Also this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226030
Note the should.
And once again, stop taking your speculations as fact. It's never stated that they both will be happy by killing everyone. It says destroy everything, revive everything, bless all lovers. It does not say that our happiness will be ensured if we kill everyone, and, also, the creator has happiness already from the deal that went down.

Oh, and your manga picture says should be happy. Not is. You really have just asserted that Shannon is the creator, when really, it's painfully apparent that she can't be. The creator can not be inferior to her creation. That's common sense. And furniture can not achieve happiness. Something the creator has achieved.
It all falls down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226071
>>It's never stated that they both will be happy by killing everyone
It's implied, learn to context.

Also the monologue was made 6 years prior to the events, Sayo thought she could become happy as Shannon, by receiving an education and living peacefully on the island.
That's why there is a "should".
Even though she had what she wanted, she didn't feel satisfied.

Also once again DUMBED DOWN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226085
She was already living on the island. This is nothing new. You should be the one to learn to context. The creator has authority over the Beatrice persona, and Shannon clearly is inferior to that persona. It achieves... nothing.
Oh, and Sayo already had Battler's feelings from the get go. So, there is yet another part of the monologue, said in red, I believe, that Sayo does not fulfill.
It is a fact.
The person speaking, did not obtain Battler's feelings.
And yet, Battler's first love was Sayo.
Interesting, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226120
She may not have known.

[Anonymous No.]

About Shkannon....
>>>/rs/Knox's_10th.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226126
He kinda said he would come in a white horse...if its not a declaration i dont know what it is.

Also jealous jessica blood related theory

[Anonymous No.]

You know, a month ago, I thought Shkannontrice could not get any more retarded.

Now we have Sayo = Shannon = Kannon = Beatrice. Four goddamn personalities, is this Change123? Factor in that Fusiontrice shit too, and we've got ourselves a recipe for suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226120

"I can no longer love him.
The feelings I could not obtain...the feelings I could not bear...please obtain them."


Nothing about Battler loving or not loving her, if anything it's her that could not love Battler anymore for some reason.
And Shannon doesn't love Battler anymore too.
Heck just look at the "the one who waits for him to return until he fulfills his promise.", Battler loved her.


And once again, Shannon isn't the creator, she is a dumbed down version of the creator.
And the fact that Sayo wasn't happy anymore during that period, doesn't mean that she wasn't happy before.

What I mean is that something big happened that made her suffer a lot, she pushed all that in Beatrice and returned to her "normal" happiness.
But by "dividing her soul", she became less than human, this had been repeated a lots of time in the game by both Shannon and Kanon.

It's pretty simple.

[Anonymous No.]

From this day forward, you are the ruler of Rokkenjima, and the one who waits for him to return until he fulfills his promise.

The girl who made that monologue is the one Battler made that promise to.
He made a promise to Shannon, not Jessica.
Therefore Shannon is the one who said that monologue.

There solved, you can stop discussing that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226148
The feelings I could not obtain.
She could not obtain his love.
This is in red. It's a fact.
She could not obtain his feelings.
And yet, Shannon did. Or, if you must have the whole Sayo =/= Shannon thing, Sayo did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226148
Except it isnt

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226161
Just ignore the guy, he makes ridiculous arguments for Shkannon in every thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226153
>implying Battler made only one promise all his life to the people on the island, and it was Shannon

[Anonymous2007 !StaIqxr34U No.]

>>4226135
Tell me about the whole Knox numbers that Dlanor made it up for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226153
>>Implying its a estabilished truth that shannon's promise was the promise in question

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226164
Who the fuck care if Battler made promise to everyone.
We have to think about the evidences that were given to us, the readers, nothing more.
Knox and all, can't solve without clues.

There were clues for only one promise, the one Battler made with Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226167
The tenth is about there can be no disguises without clues

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226148
>>4226153
It's not that simple. Furniture are not allowed to experience happiness. You can try justifying it any way you want, but in the end, it won't happen. And also, the issue of Shannon having already obtained Battler's feelings. The creator did not obtain his feelings. This is blatantly said.
In red text, no less. You need to keep on thinking about this.

[Anonymous2007 !StaIqxr34U No.]

>>4226172
I still need to know.

Please Keep informing me sir!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226172
Except Shkannon has a million clues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226171
>implying you have not overlooked any other promise, or implication of a promise

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226171
Its foreshadowed that he made a promise
Its foreshadowed that he did say a lot of embarassing shit to almost everyone in the island.
Its foreshadowed that he was very close to Jessica and even brawled with her all the time
Its foreshadowed that Jessica has issues with love

There's enough foreshadowing to sustain Knox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226185
Not really.
The promise is something very important to the plot, it shouldn't be "could have", it should be something more solid.
With all these "could" and "what if", you could never find the truth.
Clues don't work like this, Knox isn't satisfied.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226196
Well, by the beards of the gods, it's Dlanor!
But really, you don't have the authority to say what is or isn't foreshadowing.

[Anonymous No.]

Apparently creating and killing personas is as easy as changing your panties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226175
Furniture can be happy.
Furniture can't LOVE.
Not the same thing.

Also the issue wasn't not that Battler didn't have feeling for the creator, it was that the creator couldn't sustain her feelings for Battler.
Seriously, get some better reading comprehension, the monologue is pretty straightforward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226181
Only it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226205
And apparently Jessica was a master in the minfucking art when she was 12.
And she decided to love her cousin by proxy through her maid, that she mindfucked into creating several personalities.
Oh and for some reason she decided to use her maid to kill everyone too, that maid sure is handy.
Best theory ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226207
FEELINGS I COULD NOT OBTAIN
Read the monologue before you make an attack on other people, moron.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226205
Oh, don't forget that this person is in love with three people at once and none of them notice anything suspicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226207
I'm pretty damn sure Kanon says at one point furniture can't even be happy, bra. Really, as furniture, at least by Kanon and Shannon logic, you are sub-human.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226218
>>I can no longer love him.
The feelings I could not obtain...the feelings I could not bear...please obtain them.

Yeah, you really should get some better reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226213
Don't you know, Ushiromiya servants are not only such masters of disguise that they transcend normal gender boundaries, they're fucking assassins, look at Genji, he's like 90 and still nails a golden butterfly from twenty yards with a butter knife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226224
Yes, she says the feelings she could not obtain.
Obtain. As in, to recieve. Not RETAIN, OBTAIN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226223
He said that she should be happy with her life as a furniture, as they are allowed to work on Rokkenjima annd serve Kinzo should be enough happiness for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226226
Fantasy scene, he sadly wouldn't actually be able to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226213
Except Jessitrice still stands.

>>4226196
Foreshadowing =/= having shit thrust into your face.

Its foreshadowed that Kinzo is dead since the begining, but the absolute truth is just told in EP4~5

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226227
Read the entire phrase, moron. And learn to context, once again.
Seriously.

[insanezero !VUNofZD8jM No.]

>>4226204
If it's an important part of the answer, then there will be clues planted throughout the entire series. For instance, Kinzo's status was debated by the parents during the beginning of each game, Battler himself never saw his living body outside of an outright fantasy scene, and he was always found burnt otherwise.

Beatrice's identity, which is undoubtedly one of the key elements to the answer, should have been foreshadowed back during Episode 1. However, there is nothing that implicates Jessica as Beatrice in Episode 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226236
Not a question of foreshadowing, a question of clues, it's not necessarily the same thing.
There is no clues that Battler made a promise to anyone but Shannon, that's a fact.
R07 stated that Umineko was solvable by episode 4, that's also a fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226241
There's no rule that says that all foreshadowing must be given in EP1. You fail

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226236
>>Except Jessitrice still stands.
Moon-chan maybe but Jessitrice can't work, see episode 1.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people keep insisting on Jessitrice? Reread the intro to episode 1. Battler remembers exactly how she was 6 years ago. She wasn't disguised as anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226241
As a mystery buff, it's terribly poor form for the writer to have a major plot device this important just outright answered, rather than implied.

EP6 proves that there was a promise made, and it's as simple as reading back and LOL, THERE IT IS. There's absolutely no thinking involved in that kind of answer, a terrible outcome if it's true.

Then again, it's Ryukishi, not exactly an amazing writer.

[Anonymous No.]

There are no more hints, only confessions

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226253
You had plenty of time to know about the promise. Now Ryukishi is just telling you shit because you were too stupid to realize it. ie, promise, Beatrice isn't her own human, Shkannon, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226247
Huh? She's very different from how he remembered her. I think that works the other way around.
>>4226244
Battler said he'd return on a white horse to her.
But, it's moot, because the creator did not obtain Battler's feelings. And yet Shannon, did.

[insanezero !VUNofZD8jM No.]

>>4226245
You missed the whole point of my comment, dumbass.

I'm not saying that the game has to show that Jessica was Beatrice in the first game, I'm saying that the game has to show there is a good possibility that Jessica could be Beatrice. Episode 1 makes the point that Jessica could not have been Beatrice, so that ruins the theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226253
R07 likes to put stuff right in your face, but in such a way that you pass over it or ignore it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226260
Look at episode 5.
The culprit has been cornered.
And the whole thing is Erika trying to pin it on Natsuhi. The episode summaries don't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226265
>implying anyone has multiple personalities

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226266
But personality-wise, Shannon is the only one to have changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226268
Not really, you are making this shit up.

There's nothing that supports what you are saying right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226265
Everyone knew about the promise, you fucking idiot. That was the skeletal frame of the pony theory, that a promise was made.

For him to outright hold your hand and give you it without any thought is just shitty writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226273
see
>>4226247

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226272
Eva. Episode 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226275
Exactly, you already knew. It's not shitty writing, he's giving you the answers now. You want everything left in the dark, personally I don't. Speculating until the end of time is stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226273
Nah, Jessica has changed too. She went from being a bossy brat to something else entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226266
-Battler made a promise to the creator (see the monologue) 6 years ago.

-Battle made a promise to Shannon about coming back on a white horse for her 6 years ago.

The conclusion seems logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226286
A tsundere bossy brat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225761
If Shannon isn't the girl, that only means that Shannon =/= Kanon and that Kanon is Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226286
She went from being a bossy brat to a brat who could no longer be bossy because she's a girl and girls are weak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226283
not multiple personalities, just an aspect of her own

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226287
Except this could be fake hint.

Just like Natsuhi accuses Shannon on the autumm card shit.
Its not because we're in Chiru that Ryuukishi will stop trolling us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226307
>fake hint
Sick of hearing this shit. There are no longer any hints, only confessions. Besides, there's no such thing as a truly "fake" hint. The card Shannon thing is allowed to be fake because it was just Natsuhi's interpretation after being fooled by an easy trick. That =/= flashback.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226307
Except the card thing is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Natsuhi was just freaking out and not thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226313
Yes, and in episode 5, we've cornered the culprit, right?
DURR HURR HURR

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226313
If there aren fake hints, Jessica and George are murderers, right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226307
That's the only promise Battler has been shown to make to anyone in the past. If that's a fake hint we don't even know what the promise is, and that's stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226317
So are we
[/thread]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226320
We were SHOWN Natsuhi was not the culprit because we knew Erika's logic was flawed from the start, even without that red.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226323
You're stupid if you still think Shannon didn't make Beatrice. It was everything short of outright told to you in episode 6. Hurr, red herring. In the penultimate episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4226321
Except, Jessica and George were only murderers in fantasy scenes, and Jessica even had to be possessed to do it. And then it was revealed in the very same episode those deaths were faked in the first place. They don't even count as hints.

[Anonymous No.]

Yes, but taking the episode summary literally is dumb. It's been proven that it is unreliable.

[insanezero !VUNofZD8jM No.]

>>4226274
The game was meant to be solvable, so there has to be clues present in every game.
Furthermore, magic is stated to be an embellishment of the truth, but it can't be an outright lie. For example, it would be possible for Jessica to be Beatrice if I said "Beatrice is standing in front of the portrait at the end of Episode 1". It's misleading, but it works as the truth. However, it's said that Beatrice appeared in front of Battler's eyes while Jessica was standing right behind him. In this case, it would be impossible for Jessica to be Beatrice barring some sort of wacky adventures involving Jessica suddenly disappearing into a secret trapdoor (that Knox will strike down for not being hinted at that point in time) and reappearing from behind the portrait in a span of only a few minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4225989