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4211594 No.4211594 [Reply] [Original]

Pardon me, young man. Do you suppose I could convince you to try to persuade that young lady to sell me her pendant?

>> No.4211602

Balthasar was here.
Melchior is a faggot.

>> No.4211624

>>4211602

Gaspard was here, fuck y'all bitches.

>> No.4211630

But the future refused to change

>> No.4211653

>>4211630

It doesn't matter if the future refuses to change or not, the darkness beyond time is like, "sup, you cannot have ever existed, want a coke?"

>> No.4211658

>>4211653
You just blew my mind

>> No.4211663

>>4211594
Meh, sure. It's not like I'm going to go to jail because of it.

>> No.4211672

>>4211653
BUT THEN WHO WAS TIME DEVOURER?

>> No.4211686

While you're at it, you might as well eat that random guy's lunch too, and not bother to lead the cat back to its owner.

>> No.4211704

I forget, what happens if you beat the game without saving Crono?

>> No.4211711

>>4211704
The team go to Death Peak and use the time egg to bring him to life again.

>> No.4211709 [DELETED] 

>>4211704
Marle goes back to the hilltop point to revive in the ending.

>> No.4211717

>>4211686
Also, don't let that bitch spend too much time at the candy booth.

>> No.4211729

>>4211711
There's no bad end where you don't save him, except losing to Lavos?

>> No.4211743

Doesn't matter, you're all dead in Chrono Cross anyway.

>> No.4211744
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>>4211729
I can't remember a bad end except for that one.

>> No.4211754

>>4211743
Chrono Cross is a shitty fanfic

>> No.4211760
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>>4211754
What? TOO DEEP for you?

>> No.4211790

>>4211760
I borrowed my friends copy and got like 15 hours into it and then he took it back like a dick. I never did finish it 10 years later. Is it really worth it?

>> No.4211830
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>>4211790
I liked it a lot and I think it's worth the time.
I can't understand why so much people hate it.

>> No.4211856

>>4211830
Because you couldn't get Razzy and Glenn together. Razzy for being the only loli in the game and Glenn since he's like Frog in Trigger. Fucking game made you choose only one of them.

>> No.4211869

>>4211790
I actually really enjoyed it, even almost as much as Chrono Trigger (sorry for saying something so blasphemous).

That said, setting up the element grid was a hassle, so it encouraged sticking with the same party of 3 characters as long as possible despite the fact there are 50+ playable characters. That was probably the only thing that bugged me about CC.

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>>4211856
Well... that's a good reason. But you can get both in a new game+!!

>> No.4211926
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4211926

gaspar here

HOW THE FUCK DO I KNOW THIS SO QUICKLY

>> No.4211927

>>4211900
Never bothered with the other characters in Newgame+. Always stick with my bros Glenn and Fargo. Admit it, you wouldn't want shit like Pierre, Funguy or Mojoy in your party. They might be cool/fabulous and all, yet they are not as good in battles.

>> No.4211936

>>4211927
My team was always Serge, Kid and Leena anyway.

>> No.4211942

>>4211926
Because he's secretly having gay sex with the Guru of Time, Balthasar or something.

>> No.4211948

>>4211926

He's the fucking GURU of time. He knows.

>> No.4211950

>>4211926
There's absolutely nothing there. Where else could you be?

>> No.4211951

>>4211926
He's the motherfucking Guru of Time. I think he knows what time and the end thereof looks like.

>> No.4211955

>>4211942

Balthasar is the Guru of Reason.

ALL LIFE BEGINS WITH NU AND ENDS WITH NU

>> No.4211957

>>4211927
>Put the best equipment on Harle.
>She leaves the party permanently.
Feels bad man. After that happened I decided to follow a walkthrough.

>> No.4211963

>>4211927
>>4211936

Serge with Mastermune
Glenn with DUAL EINLANZER
who-the-fuck-cares-about-the-third-slot

Best. Party. Ever.

>> No.4211966

>>4211955
>NU
Awesome creatures, if it appeared in Cross it might be a better game. Also mop.

>> No.4211997

I enjoyed Radical Dreamers, despite being one of only 6 people who have apparently ever heard of it.

>> No.4212002

>>4211997
Lots of people know about it.

>> No.4212013

>>4211997
Kid and the sunflower is the best ending.

>> No.4212015

>>4211997
Who are you kidding?

>> No.4212022

>>4212002

Yet nobody seems to acknowledge it.

It was a decent story! RD Kid was much more moe~ than CC Kid.

>> No.4212074

There will never be a third Chrono game

>> No.4212116

>>4212074
The only thing a new Chrono game could ever be is a pile of garbage. Developers can't get games right these days.

Unless it's Sting.

>> No.4212155
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4212155

Only part I remember from CC is fighting a boss battle against some guy dressed like an archaeologist (I think he had light/holy magic or something). Two of my characters were dead and I just had a mermaid or something with literally 1 hp standing. I thought it was game over for me, so I just said screw it and used a normal attack that barely does any damage. Boss guy dies.

Greatest RPG boss battle ever.

>> No.4212173

>>4212155
Miguel is one of the toughest bosses in game. Fisherman who spams Light elements that targets all is broken.

>> No.4212185

>>4212155

Now beat Dario without abusing Plates, faggot.

>> No.4212197

>>4212155
Oh god Miguel. The game is easy mode when it comes to bosses until suddenly FISHERMAN OUT OF NOWHERE HOLY LIGHT HOLY LIGHT HOLD DRAGON SWORD HOLY LIGHT HOLY DRAGON SWORD HOLY DRAGON SWORD HOLY LIGHT ect

>> No.4212214

>>4212155
Miguel is a son of a bitch.
I fucking hate that guy.
>>4212185
>Now beat Dario without abusing Plates
HAHAHA

>> No.4212222

Honestly, I like Chrono Cross, but it is only an alright game, which always makes me feel down because you can definitely feel the POTENTIAL it had to be one of the greatest.

>> No.4212225

>>4212155
Now beat Criosphinx without abusing Plates or answering his riddles, faggot.

>> No.4212226

Miguel was such a fucking awesome battle. Great setting, great music, HES A GODDAMNED FISHERMAN, actually hard battle for a change.

>> No.4212230

>>4212214
Just Keep spamming Red Elements, he will keep casting Mumble

>> No.4212237

>>4212185

I forgot. No Riddel either.

>> No.4212245

>>4212226
The game had so many worthless playable characters, and all I can think is how much I wish you could get Miguel, even if it was only in New Game+.

>> No.4212266

>>4212226
And Leene's bell in ruins. TAKE THAT CHRONO TRIGGER.

>> No.4212276

>>4212266
That's was so awesome.
Nostalgia tears.

>> No.4212280

>>4212266
;_;

>> No.4212291

>>4212266
THAT WAS LEENE'S BELL? OH FUCK I NEVER NOTICED THAT FUCK FUCK FUCK!

>> No.4212313

You guys are really making me want to play Cross (never finished it) but goddamn I hate the battle system so much. Element grid is not fun at all to mess with.

>> No.4212319
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>>4212291
Johnny is dead in the Dead Sea too.

>> No.4212321

>>4212291
Though it ruins you do hear the ringing of the bell before Miguel appeared or during the fight itself. Can't remember exactly.

Now you realize that there will never be another Millennium fair at that place.

>> No.4212323

>>4212313

The only problem with the battle system is the game has no difficulty.

Otherwise, I don't see what problem you're having with it. Stuck up all your slots with Healalls, bam the game is a cakewalk.

>> No.4212392

>>4212319
;A; ANIKIIIII

>> No.4212407

>>4212319

God I hated the game for shit like this

Seriously I have no grudge against Serge and co. but come the fuck on. You dont have to make the game so depressing and rageworthy.

>> No.4212433

>>4212407

Chrono Cross never happened. Chrono Trigger DS agreed, don't bother him about it.

>> No.4212435

>>4212433
wat

>> No.4212452

>>4212407
>rageworthy
Like Frog from Trigger? Have a Turnip and Glenn then!
They just had to make them both Green as well. Fucking developers.

>> No.4212462

>>4212452
Leah:
Land calling-um Leah...
Time Leah go-um home.
Leah already have-um
name for Leah's child.
Big, strong name.

Leah:
Aylaaaaaa!!!
New song of land!

>> No.4212479

>>4212435

You can kill the Time Devourer and wipe Magus' memories in a DS exclusive ending, making the events of Chrono Cross impossible under the game's own mechanics.

>> No.4212485
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4212485

Miguel's boss fight is probably a peak in the series.

The music playing during it just makes the scene. The incredible difficulty makes it memorable whether you want it to or not.

>> No.4212506

>>4212479
You don't kill the Time Devourer in the DS version; you can't kill it and save Schala without the Chrono Cross, same reason you get the bad ending in CC if you just fight it like a regular boss instead of doing the color pattern bullshit. Mind-wiped Magus is the Gil of CC. CT DS makes it pretty clear that CC is intended to be canon.

>> No.4212512

>>4212433

>Chrono Trigger DS agreed, don't bother him about it.

If at anything that only made it worse.

I like how Chrono fans were very vocal about how they hated Cross to the point of considering it uncanon. Then Square not only cancels a very nice looking fan made remake of Trigger,they also crank out an EXTREMELY lazy "remake" of their own which yanks the rug under such an idea.


>>4212479

>Magus' memories in a DS exclusive ending, making the events of Chrono Cross impossible under the game's own mechanics.

wat? You dont kill him,the Time Devourer just shrugs the party aside then Schala transports you all the fuck out of there. Magus tries to press on but is also ultimately teleported out but with his memories wiped. From there the player guesses that he becomes that fag that was supposed to be Magus in Cross.

>> No.4212519

>>4212479
That's the Dream Devourer (Time Devourer "pre-evolution") and you can win the battle but not kill it.
If anything, the new ending connect CT with CC more.

>> No.4212523

>
>Chrono Trigger DS agreed, don't bother him about it.

What?

If anything, the DS game hastily wrote MORE canonicity to Cross

>> No.4212533

You see moot? You can't have a nice thread like this on /v/. Thats why we need /jp/.

>> No.4212537

>>4212506
>>4212512

Guile is not Magus in any way, shape, or form. Not even a mind-wiped one.

>> No.4212541

Miguel was hard, but that other faggot from the Mastermune sidequest was harder. Miguel made me rage more though, if only for the fact that the battle was mandatory.

>> No.4212552

>>4212541

As >>4212185 and >>4212230 have pointed out, Dario is easy if only because he has severely abusable patterns.

He IS, of course, an optional pseudo-superboss anyway.

>> No.4212583

>>4212485
>Antiblack
What a douche.

>> No.4212593

>>4212537
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Thanks to the new CT ending is possible that he is indeed Magus.
What Kato said before doesn't count now because that was way before the remake of CT. Also the mind wiped-Magus solve the problem with his story in CC.

I'm not saying HE IS Magus, but isn't impossible now.

>> No.4212608

Now if Square would remake CC in hi-def for PS3 and weed out all their stupid plot holes, shit would be so cash.

>> No.4212621

Miguel fucked me over hard because two of my characters were black innate.

>> No.4212622

>>4212608
I'd rather they remake it for the PSP. It'd convince me to continue where I left off, after putting 45 hours into it.

>> No.4212637

I would rather they just stop with this DS/PSP-remake milking bullshit and create proper sequels.

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>>4212608

>plot holes

CC was needlessly grimdark but I dont think it had Plot Holes...

I think

Honestly I never bothered completing the game. It pissed me off far too much. And I REALLY dropped the thing for good once I learned of that Color coded crap you have to pull off in order to beat the TD. Oh sweet jesus that must require all kinds of patience.

>> No.4212647

>>4212621

Even if you bring a non-black he will just smack them with TurnBlack anyway.

Dick.

>> No.4212653

>>4212637
Actually I WOULD rather they do remakes because it's pretty clear that Square can't come up with anything sensible anymore.

Plus, appeal to the older fandom.

>> No.4212662

>>4212523
while reading this thread, I actually forgot I was in /jp/.

>> No.4212664

>>4212642
>Oh sweet jesus that must require all kinds of patience.
You mean the battle with Time Devourer? Easy, just keep using consumables.

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Oh hey what's going on in this thread?

>> No.4212671

After I beat the game and got the L2 speedup button thing, I couldn't play the game without it, it just felt way too slow.

>> No.4212674

>>4212642
>CC
>Grimdark
Maybe CC had many philosophical undertones (Inb4 DERP ITS DEEP) but its not THAT grim dark.

>no plotholes
lol there are entire websites made to debate on CC and you say there are no plotholes?

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Salt_for_the_Dead_Sea.html

>> No.4212688
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4212688

Time travel, you say?

>> No.4212690

>>4211963

Third slot always got coolest summon for me

>> No.4212715

>>4212674
Regardless, CC had a fairly airtight plot compared to most Square games. Or rather, ESPECIALLY compared to most Square games.

>> No.4212729

Time travel is a bitch.

>> No.4212767

>>4212674

The last time I read one of those CC plot resolution theories I was really high. I think those people put more thought into the plot that Square ever did.

>> No.4212775

>>4212729
MY bitch, you mean.

>> No.4212778

>>4212674

I thought it was when you start seeing all that shit from Chrono Trigger broken down and in ruins. There was also the option of leaving Kid to die from that poison. And dont even get me started on Crono and company's demise. That fucking Cat can go lick his crotch as well.

Also I dont feel like reading all of whats in that link you gave me. Reminds me of that gigantic page full of charts and shit that was trying to explain how DEEP Xenogears/saga was.

>>4212637

I'd like to see a remake of Cross personally. Fix up the combat and make the story flow better.

>> No.4212832

>>4212291

Nadia's Bell

>> No.4212881

Chrono Trigger never happened because Chrono Cross said so. Why can't the reverse have been true... ;_;

>> No.4212888

>>4212832
;_;

>> No.4212897

>>4212881
>Chrono Trigger never happened because Chrono Cross said so.
Wait, what? Didn't Lucca mention time traveling and changing future in her letter to Kid? And that Kid reminds her of Schala?

>> No.4212944

>>4212897
There are a lot of timelines.
Home World timeline negates Crono saving the world (not all Trigger per se).
Really, time travels are a fucking bitch.

>> No.4212945

Wasn't Schala blue haired? Why did they make Kid a filthy blonde?

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>>4212729

DID SOMEBODY SAY TIIIME TRAVELLLLL?!

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>>4212948

>> No.4212988

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9479413

>> No.4213030

>>4212945

The darkness beyond time is a bit bleaching.

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>>4212948

>> No.4213104
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>>4212778


>Reminds me of that gigantic page full of charts and shit that was trying to explain how DEEP Xenogears/saga was.

Picture related

>> No.4213112

>>4213104

Fuck yes Miyuki.

>> No.4213168

>>4213104
Haha, Kingdom Hearts charts are truly laughable when compared to this.

>> No.4213287

>>4213168

And there's plenty more where that came from. I should've favorited the website I got that from. Honestly I have never seen so many charts and other shit for a video game in my entire goddamn life.

Even fighting games with their Damage reduction calculation tier lists and whatnot pale in comparison.

>> No.4213308

>>4213104

WHERE'S THE LINK FROM 'Black-Cloaked Man' TO 'Ziggy'?!

>> No.4213387

I loved Chrono Trigger but have been avoiding Chrono Cross all these years. It's something about the 3D graphics, I don't want to abandon my sprites! I still think that the SNES is the best console for RPGs ever made.

>> No.4213415

>>4213387

Ah, rose-colored nostalgia goggles. The cancer killing the video game industry.

... Well, excluding the malignant growth called 'casual gaming', that is.

>> No.4213434

>>4213415
Sprite-based gaming is better, in a lot of respects, than 3D gaming. It's something about how a static image feels vs. one that shows too much life, at times.

You can detract from something by making it too graphically complicated.

>> No.4213470

>>4213434

It doesn't mean 3D is inherently bad, or sprite work is inherently superior in any given circumstance.

For example, First Person games almost have to be 3D, else it usually feels incredibly abnormal.

>> No.4213510

>>4213434
Making things graphically complicated inherently detracts from story and mechanics because the developers are putting a static amount of resources (money, time) into coding, gameplay mechanics, story, and graphics. It's just a balancing act of how many resources you put into what field.

As of 2010, nearly all developers are playing the game of putting all their resources into their graphics. Resulting in all those pretty pretty games that in the end are just a pile of shit (Call of Duty MW2 and Crysis come to mind)

>> No.4213553

Playing Dawn of Souls in the DS was painful. Sony did it right in the PSP, making use of a nice mix.

>> No.4213560

Eternal Sonata was an RPG I genuinely enjoyed. Story was sort of stupid, but the battle system was excellent and I had a lot of fun with it. Until I got to hard mode, that is...

>> No.4213596

I just want to see my fairy loli rendered in 3D ;_;

>> No.4213809

>>4213104
Well, this chart is perfectly readable and makes enough sense to me.

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