/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

How is Japan's literature? I don't expect it to be on pair with France, USA, or Russia but since I'm considering to study Japanese I would at least like a decent literary scene.

[Anonymous No.]

Does eroge count?

[Anonymous No.]

Like FSN.

[Anonymous No.]

I now realize I don't know the name of a single japanese book.

That's somewhat sad.

[Anonymous No.]

Japan invented literature.

[Anonymous No.]

If Japan has so little literature then what the fuck is she reading all day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197703
Porn.

[Anonymous No.]

I fapped to OP picture until I noticed the chest tumors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197701
With their stolen kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197701
Novels, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197697
VN's are all Japan has to offer

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197703
Patchouli is European.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197703
I assume Patchy knows a ton of languages

[Anonymous No.]

Murakami is pretty good stuff if you like metaphysical themes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197736
I've read something of his before regarding talking cats and a trap. It was alright, seemed too angsty for me. Then again I was reading an English translation.

[Anonymous No.]

Correcting these things is rarely so simple.

[Anonymous No.]

Patchy reads magic books. duh

[Anonymous No.]

Japan isn't known for having intellectuals. They supposedly have great translators but that doesn't really matter if you are looking to read in the text's original language

[Anonymous No.]

There have been a few threads like this; apparently Japan has it's own classics; but almost all of the milestones in classical literature came out of Western Europe and Russia.

[Anonymous No.]

avoid Murakami

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197760
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197760
Where did her breast go?!

[Anonymous No.]

Stick to VN's OP.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

No Longer Human by Osamu Dazai, it's about a fucking loser who is raped by his maids.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't see the West going googly eyed over stuff from China either.
Majority rules and West > East

[1st Duke of Trolls No.]

Japan has a lot of good writers.
Just google it.

[Anonymous No.]

Japan has never produced any worthwhile literature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201172
But China has a good collection of classic literature.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>4201175
Go Rin No Sho.

[1st Duke of Trolls No.]

>>4201175
Genji monogatari and sarashina nikki motherfucker? Did you read them?
Just to name the oldest ones.

[Anonymous No.]

Because there are many old expressions, Anime is more plain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201185
By Chinese standards

[Anonymous No.]

Natume Sousuke.
Because there are many old expressions, Anime is more plain.

[1st Duke of Trolls No.]

A little off topic but someone mentioned the USA.
I don't know anything about literature from the US, exept popular literature.
Are there any authors one should know?

[1st Duke of Trolls No.]

I forgot to mention that I know Hemingway and Lord of the Flys (can't remember the authors name though).

[Anonymous No.]

The earliest example of the novel is the Tale of Genji. Japanese literature is well respected by literati.

[Anonymous No.]

Quick weeaboos! It's time to take out your old summer reading lists!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201211

Hemingway and Salinger, Mark Twain.
All countries are the same.

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>>4201211
I think Lord of the flies' author was british, but whatever, we'll take him.
also:
F. SCOTT FITZGERALD, Thomas Pynchon, Jim Harrison, Edgar Allan Poe, JD Salinger, Don Delillo, John Cheever, and many many more, this is only counting"serious" writers.

Also seconding Haruki Murakami, but the best japanese author is Yukio Mishima.

[Anonymous No.]

>on pair with France, USA, or Russia

lol USA

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201186
>>4201190
Yeah, they're shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Unreadable shit until the 19th century. Starts getting interesting in the Meiji period. Check:
Natsume Soseki
Mori Ogai
Nagai Kafu
Akutagawa Ryuunosuke
Miyazawa Kenji
Osamu Dazai
Tanizaki Jun'ichirou
Inoue Yasushi
Kawabata Yasunari
Mishima Yukio
Murakami Haruki

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201268
>F. SCOTT FITZGERALD
I never saw what was so great about Gatsby.
That book just made me depressed about how shitty America can be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201279
>Implying America hasn't taken up the mantle of culture as Europe slides into decline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201292
What culture?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201294
Pop.

[1st Duke of Trolls No.]

>>4201292

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201290

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201268

Edgar Allan Poe
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I liked Ranpo Edogawa at the age of a child.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edogawa_Rampo

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>>4201290
Fitzgerald wrote more than just The Great Gatsby you know.
Also, most people who say they don't like gatsby are usually either offended by the idea that america heartlessly chews up people and spits em out, (true tho), or just can't accept Gatsby's love for Daisy as a realistic motivation. Men have done crazier things for love tho.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't take contemporary American literature lightly. Ender's Game was astounding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201327
It was, and then it got 10 shitty sequels (and counting).

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>>4201327
Orson is awesome as long as you know nothing about the man or his personal ideas.
And its just a little odd that EVERYTHING i've read by him had a super-intelligent, super-capable child as the main character.
It's just a wee bit strange unless he thinks he's writing for the juvenile market.

>>4201268
Forgot Kurt Vonnegut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201350

If the main character was a loli there would have been an Ender's Game anime/VN/manga ages ago and you know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201327
>Ender's Game was astounding.

You have to be a kid and an aspie to appreciate it. To the rest of us it's just yet another mediocre sci-fi book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201354

They see me trollan~

Fine then. What is your opinion on The City and the Stars?

[Anonymous No.]

Read 魔界転生 (including the 石川賢版)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201357
>They see me trollan~

No. The main character is a Mary Sue with almost no personality. Other characters have no real personality either, it's like reading a script of a bad movie meant for kids. And the book has not other redeeming qualities except "hurrrr durrr the gaem was real".

Read it when you're not underage anymore and after you have read real books, and you will understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201357
I'm a different guy, but its the best thing clarke wrote aside from childhood's end.

It seems this is turning into a SF thread so I'll just say Frank Herbert is the best, even if his later stuff is a little overwritten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201377
>>The main character is a Mary Sue with almost no personality

Welcome to most science fiction. Also, laughably poorly written women and unnecessary exposition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201377
No you are just another retarded hipster reactionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201381
>implying you can write good & realistic women

[Anonymous No.]

Anyway

JUST READ THE DUNE AND NEVER TOUCH BOOKS AGAIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201398
Madame Bovary.

Bam, proved ya wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait

People actually like Ender's Game?

Shit sucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201378
clarke
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Hoshi Shinichi is easy to read.
It is a short sentence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinichi_Hoshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201279
Obviously don't know anything about literature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201406
>People actually like Ender's Game?

Most people who like Ender's Game seem to have read it when they were kids, so I guess it's understandable.

[Anonymous No.]

My favorite sci-fi novels are The Depths of Time, Asimov's Foundation series, and DOON. Acceptable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201417
Very.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.jlit.net/literary_history/index.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201404
Wrong. I said realistic. Women are generally stupid simple-minded creatures, that's why bashing sci-fi novels for showing female nature is kind of silly

[Anonymous No.]

>reading Japanese books

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201377
>Mary Sue

Oh dear, an armchair literary expert sprouting random words he doesn't even understand. Shouldn't you go back to tvtropes or something?

>>4201357
>>4201378
City and the Stars did not age well. Anti-technology anti-decadence dystopias did not age well in general, though.

And Clarke was't that good of a writer. Science first, fiction later. Just as a SF should be, actually, I love him the way he is, but, well, his novels never were storytelling masterpieces.

[Anonymous No.]

Japan has lots of short poetry, but not a lot of novels and no epic poems.

There's a few stragglers here and there, but that's not Japanese literature's forte.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese books are all about nationalism, and samurai. In other words shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>Anti-technology anti-decadence dystopias did not age well in general, though.

What? Time for a reality check as they are now hollywood related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201434
> comparing literature to cinema
> mouth-breathing philistine

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201437
I just pointed out your mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201426
>an armchair literary expert

You like Enders Game, child genius. You can't really critizise others opinions when it comes to literature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201434
>they are now hollywood related

Well, just look how low the mighty have fallen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201448
I'm not criticizing your opinion. I'm criticizing your "argumentation".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201456
>I'm not criticizing your opinion. I'm criticizing your "argumentation".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
>Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as wish-fulfillment fantasies for their authors or readers.

This doesn't sound like Ender to you? Explain why not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201462
What's there to explain? Ender doesn't resemble the author in any way. He doesn't resemble the audience in any way. And, given how fucked-up he is, I can't imagine a person wishing to be in his place. Are you one?

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>>4201505
>Ender doesn't resemble the author in any way. He doesn't resemble the audience in any way.

Exactly my friend. Wish-fulfillment fantasies.


>I can't imagine a person wishing to be in his place.

Ender never fails, everyone praises Ender (except those who are jealous of how awesome he is) and he is the smartest person on the planet. Self-diagnosed autists and delusional retards of other flavour can easily relate to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201524
>Exactly my friend. Wish-fulfillment fantasies.

Looks like I can rest my case.

>Ender never fails, everyone praises Ender (except those who are jealous of how awesome he is) and he is the smartest person on the planet.

Read the book again. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>on pair
That's "on par", thank you.

>USA
Nigga get your shit straight!

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

People trolling Ender's Game on /jp/?

Really, now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201653
Well, it's shounen shit, so why not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201653
This makes me a sad panda like you wouldn't believe.

[Anonymous No.]

Yukio Mishima and Junichiro Tanizaki are god tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4201945

Also, the fact that Faulkner was not the very first name mentioned when bringing up the topic of the best authors in American literature makes me sad.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know. Maybe Kafka on the Shore? That's the only book by a Japanese man I have ever read.

[Anonymous No.]

Genji Monogatari is good, but long and requires tons of context.
Pass on The Pillow Book.
The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter is important to any Imperishable Night Touhou fan.
Tale of My Hut is repetitive.
Heike Monogatari is great for history buffs.
Kokinshu is beautiful.
If you're able to translate classical Japanese (difficult, but fun), Konjaku Monogatari is just badassery.
Kobayashi Issa is a beautiful hybrid of Rodney Dangerfield, Jon Stewart, and Thoreau.
Tale of My Hut is repetitive.
Personally, I take a pass on kabuki/Noh screenplays.
Kitchen is supposed to be good, but I haven't read it well yet... same with Ise Monogatari.

The Truth: Try some of it out, and don't listen to 4chan about anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4197678
>USA
>good literature

What the fuck have you been smoking? lol

Compared to the rest of the world, American literature is a joke.

Japan is even worse.

[Anonymous No.]

jap literature is just nameswapped chinese classics anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>Armchair literature criticism without having read anything not on 4chan in the last decade.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't read the novel, but the recently released comic book version is very interesting and well written.

Calling Ender a Mary Sue makes me facepalm. Yes, he's hyper-intelligent and without a single weakness. Everybody in that program is (hell, almost everybody in that book seems to have an IQ of five thousand, down to the street thugs). He is also an unpleasant little shit and nobody in the fucking world would want to be with him as a person, he's just handy because he may be able to solve the alien problem.

Ender (and Bean) isn't really a character. I don't think anybody in that book qualifies as a character. They are devices for moving the plot and giving exposition. And they're good for that purpose, because the exposition and plot are interesting in and of themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

Bakemonogatari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4203321
catch 22
if you don't like it you're a faggot