Hisouten Netplay

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Hisouten Netplay Anonymous Mon Jan 18 00:56:23 2010 No.4166564 [Reply] [Original]

Someone host.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 00:59:23 2010 No.4166596
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>126378932045598.jpg

I'd love to host solely out of how grateful I am that somebody other than myself wants a toohoo fightan thread with my image as the OP, but naming it anything other than ice fairies consulting their crystal ball.jpg really just ruins it.
Still, fuck the other thread, this one has more room for actual IPs.

Here's the original while I'm at it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 01:02:23 2010 No.4166622 A++ thread image, would look at again. I need to get a .gif of Okuu doing backflips.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 01:06:23 2010 No.4166656 >>4166596 I need the gif or this thread goes down to troll village.

>>	Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. Mon Jan 18 01:08:23 2010 No.4166668 >>4166596 I'd call it FUSIONHA.jpg or FUSION.jpg

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 01:09:23 2010 No.4166676 >>4166596 Eww it's gaint penis and gay. I no longer want link to her porm vid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 01:10:23 2010 No.4166687 Hosting. 192.168.1.1:10800 Note: I don't want to fight noobs, I'm a pro. To all you noobs or scrubs don't join!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 01:11:23 2010 No.4166699 my pc died and i lost my version.. where is the best place to get everything downloaded? i don't even have my favorites anymore.

>>	Remilia Scarlet !NOUx2Remio Mon Jan 18 01:15:23 2010 No.4166737 File: 402 KB, 913x1099, uiharu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4166596 Giantree?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 01:58:23 2010 No.4166824 File: 105 KB, 314x361, 1259984790048.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4166737

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 02:00:23 2010 No.4166840 when you patch the game do i have to add all patches one by one or just the newest 1.06 patch?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 02:02:23 2010 No.4166854 >>4166840 >1.06 You're thinking SWR, bro. Don't forget to get soku and patch that to 1.03 too. But yeah, you only need to go straight to the newest ones, don't worry about doing them one at a time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 02:13:23 2010 No.4166932 File: 76 KB, 640x480, 11-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So I'm assuming everyone has seen this, yes? What have we got here -A new skill for Alice? -Air useable Summer Flame -Something's up with the Stigmanizer -New 5 card for Yuyuko

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 02:18:23 2010 No.4166969 >>4166932 >-New 5 card for Yuyuko Nah, looks to me like 'Lost Again "Gensokyo's Hell"' has been modified to be wider than before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 02:22:23 2010 No.4167011 File: 199 KB, 500x500, 4199804.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4166969 Even better It looked like a new card at first glance because it looked like all the wisps were going in one direction

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 02:30:23 2010 No.4167075 >>4166932 Summer Flame is already usable in air, but goes forward rather than in a downward arc. That looks more like an aerial version of Patchy's 2C to me.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 02:37:23 2010 No.4167150
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>>4167075
I don't use or fight many Patchy's, so I'm not really familiar with her moveset, outside of a few moves like the flamethrower. First thing that came to mind when I saw it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 09:18:23 2010 No.4168356 68.33.161.213:07500 ec

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 10:15:23 2010 No.4168539 >>4168356 GGs Salty levels @ maximum after that set. The corner game, I know I can't beat it, but I seriously need to know what I'm screwing up if getting beat out at mid-screen or getting DP'd out of a Dial-A. Shit's getting ridiculous now...

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 10:17:23 2010 No.4168557

>>4168539
Honestly, I just read the two articles that were posted in the last thread and in the other op. I stand just outside the place where you can attack me, wait for you to do a slow enough move or a move I can beat, then I hit that. As for the dp, the B version of Yukari's parasol has melee invulnerability at level 4.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 10:18:23 2010 No.4168564 68.33.161.213:07500 east coast rehosting

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 10:21:23 2010 No.4168576

>>4168557
Also, as for the air, there is a delay after a flight and before you can do an attack. If you manully air DASH with j66, the delay is much smaller. If you do j44, there is no delay. So when we meet in the air, you do an attack, then I do j44 and hit you out of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 10:22:23 2010 No.4168581 why did they make arcade mode on lunatic so easy?

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 10:29:23 2010 No.4168620

>>4168576
>>4168557
I see. But are you saying during your j5B when I'm flying at you, you're jamming j44 5A to get that hit off faster, or just a regular j5A after establishing I'm flying? If it's the former, it's a level of execution that'll be hard for me to pull off, responsive controller or not. If it's the later, well, guess I'll just have to watch my flights from now on. Makes sense to me.

The footsies article went in one ear and out the other, but I guess it does hold some meaning. Guess I'l get to work on that then...

Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 10:42:23 2010 No.4168701 moar hosts

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 11:11:23 2010 No.4168882 130.243.165.247:10800 Swedish hostan

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 11:19:23 2010 No.4168924 >>4168882 Nevermind

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 12:10:23 2010 No.4169294 bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 12:43:23 2010 No.4169459 >>4168564 hosting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 12:59:23 2010 No.4169552 >>4168564 Game dropped. Rehosting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:09:23 2010 No.4169601 >>4168564 i blame my shcool internet

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:13:23 2010 No.4169627 >>4168564 Maybe something happened on my end. hosting one more time

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:15:23 2010 No.4169637

>>4168564
sorry guy i know the sign of a noob is to blame the internet, but lost 3 in a roll, i think i'll have to claim it
all i can say is nice bullet shielding but those are more like pokes, not sure it looks like it works but its time consuming you know?

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:22:23 2010 No.4169685

>>4169627
sorry guy i know your a better player but i prefer to lose at my full strength. That was just...click one button, wait 3 seconds for it to go through and get hit with bullets
dont worry it has to be on my end my school's internet is shit i'll come back later tonight hope you get a better match later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:24:23 2010 No.4169692 >>4169685 Sounds good. >>4168564 hosting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:27:23 2010 No.4169713 So I was wondering... What is a good deck setup for Remilia? I prefer all of her basic skills except for the spears that replaces the mini-bats.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:35:23 2010 No.4169754

>>4169713
remi is meant to be quick, sharp, and density attacks.
depend if you want skill>melee, then get the shaper moves say like her claws, her 22 drop, and the spears. if you want melee, keep the skills just to chain off and act as your shield when you dive in and finish it with spells. Upgrade defensives, get block counters and keep poking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:37:23 2010 No.4169762 >>4169713 http://swr.mizuumi.net/index.php/Remilia_Scarlet

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:39:23 2010 No.4169776

>>4169713
>replaces the mini-bats
WHY would you do that?

I'd put in at least 4 reversals crosses, some 2card spears for damage, her triple slash alt 236 when you don't need the default graze attack and system cards for the rest. All of her 22 skills are horrible in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 13:43:23 2010 No.4169804 File: 58 KB, 588x588, 1260620971044.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4169685 >full strength

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 15:09:23 2010 No.4170360 >>4168564 Still hosting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 15:09:23 2010 No.4170362 Bump for hosts.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 15:16:23 2010 No.4170411

We don't need to have two netplay threads at the same time, it spreads the hosts thin.

I mean to aim this more toward that other thread. When people stop following the convention of linking to the new netplay threads from old ones, it causes dumb stuff like this to happen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 15:16:23 2010 No.4170416 >>4170411 Touhou people will refuse to post in a thread if they don't like the op image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 15:17:23 2010 No.4170426 >>4170411 The other (older) thread was the one that was linked from the dead one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 15:23:23 2010 No.4170472 File: 194 KB, 600x600, Iku3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 67.163.49.53:06112 US Central Oarfish tier

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 15:31:23 2010 No.4170525 >>4170472 It seems that other people don't have this problem, but I've never been able to connect to you when you host.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 16:21:23 2010 No.4170973 >>4170525 If someone else joins, and spec is turned off, then no one else will be able to connect. We'll just have to hear from him. I couldn't join as a spectator, though I didn't try joining as a player, since I'm downloading shit right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 16:22:23 2010 No.4170989 >>4170472 Good games, disco. Don't stay in the air so much. It limits what you can do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 16:26:23 2010 No.4171023 File: 402 KB, 1400x1050, Utsuho24.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4170989 Good games Anonymous. I was playing pretty horribly at the end I mad

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 16:33:23 2010 No.4171095 I keep upsetting the people that play me and I don't know why :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 16:37:23 2010 No.4171147 File: 282 KB, 902x750, Utsuho6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4171095 I only started getting upset at Reimu, because I hate playing against Reimu. DEM BOXES, man. DEM BOXES.

E-MAN Mon Jan 18 16:46:23 2010 No.4171239

>>4171095
The curse of success, perhaps? Or you may play like a total asshole who plays to obliterate casuals, if you are who I think you are... I don't know, and really don't care. Either way, becoming salty after a match is only grounds to pay attention to mistakes made and learn from them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 16:53:23 2010 No.4171300 >>4171239 Who might that be? I don't run gimmicks then sandbag and get mad when I lose (dimglow). I do get mad when people mash in high delay, though. Then I just give up and spam dps lol

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:03:23 2010 No.4171383
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>>4166932

>New skill for Alice

It'd be nice if they could fix her utterly fucked up gameplay before adding new stuff. Hurr no block strings, no real way to guard break someone unless they decide to dick around with only 1 orb all the time, completely fucked if anyone gets inside your deadzone due to Alice having virtually no options for getting the enemy out of melee range, etc

E-MAN Mon Jan 18 17:14:23 2010 No.4171457

>>4171300
I don't like name-dropping unless I'm giving them props. Just know there are those who play just to win; whether they totally obliterate you or not, the win is clean and resultant to the mistakes made during the match. And then, there are those who play to just totally humiliate their opponent by doing unnatural shit. But, it may be just me, what I see as "assholish antics" may be them in a "If you can't stop it, I'll just keep doing it" mood.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:15:23 2010 No.4171467

>>4167150
Yeah, that's her flame alt. - 236B/C. I use Patche as a main, perhaps it'll actually become useful this time around? Nothing beats the regular flameball so far. I don't even know how tu use her new 236B/C. Something about picking out dashes, but the timing's so awkward.

>>	Remilia Scarlet Mon Jan 18 17:28:23 2010 No.4171532 File: 163 KB, 364x534, CHARIS-MA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 89.79.241.99:10800 EU, Remi only, casual.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:35:23 2010 No.4171576

>>4171457
It's true, it do exist. Most of them act like nothing special happened during the games, those who speak up end up in a bad light no matter what - as if they were simply lousy losers. I can handle harassers, but those who wants to win NO MATTER WHAT makes me rage on the spot. E.g. changing playstyle according to their respective health bar, only playing cheaper and cheaper as the game nears its end. I'm also growing tiered of DP skill cards, as it makes for a super easy way to ruin your game, without requiering a solid input mastery. It just fucks up the game if your opponent mashes in every other occasion. If you're careful wathing your opponents deck you can evade this dilemma, but it requiers some practice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:40:23 2010 No.4171611 >>4171576 You do know if you block a dp, they're open to whatever combo you want, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:41:23 2010 No.4171623 File: 2 KB, 124x122, Territorial Oak.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Icekin !!+4ET7U3ud6e Mon Jan 18 17:46:23 2010 No.4171652 96.21.244.114:10800, East Coast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:47:23 2010 No.4171663 >>4171623 OH MY GOD ITS GONNA BLOW

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:50:23 2010 No.4171689

>>4171576
So you mean, you hate people who actually play the game? Protip: If you EVER find yourself seriously calling something "cheap" in a fighting game, then you should realise you're being a scriub and should man the fuck up.

"Cheap" does not exist. If they're doing the same thing over and over again, then fucking counter it somehow. It's not like they're surprising you with something you've never seen before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:50:23 2010 No.4171698 >>4171689 s/scriub/scrub

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:51:23 2010 No.4171699 >>4171689 Well, cross continental crossups are pretty cheap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:52:23 2010 No.4171719 >>4171689 Your mom is cheap, but Ill counter her if you know what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 17:55:23 2010 No.4171740 >>4171652 >>4171689 >>4171719 same person

Guy Mon Jan 18 18:47:23 2010 No.4171923

>>4171457
The only thing that bugs me remotely in this game is when good players that I know are much better than me do the same move repeatedly (such as a dp) despite getting punished for it heavily every time. It just doesn't feel like they're even bothering to try. Other than that, I pretty much have fun with every single person I face, I really do enjoy this game and community. Yes, anonymous, even you; even when you play in such a way that completely picks apart my every bad habit and then makes me feel more inexperienced than I did when I first started a few months ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 18:51:23 2010 No.4171948 76.29.15.231:07500 US Midwest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 18:52:23 2010 No.4171957 >>4171948 crap i seen your matches i m already dead

>>	Icekin !!+4ET7U3ud6e Mon Jan 18 18:54:23 2010 No.4171962 >>4171740 I've been playing Dustbunny nonstop, no time for posting fighting game theorycrafting. Thanks for playing by the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 18:55:23 2010 No.4171971 File: 253 KB, 768x1024, 01044a31b4039b874a0b67bc459e1da413c5a304.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4171962 I do try. There isnt much to say however, 'cept that my corner game needs some serious work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 18:56:23 2010 No.4171973 File: 25 KB, 417x427, suika.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 18:56:23 2010 No.4171974 >>4171971 hnnnnng

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 18:58:23 2010 No.4171990

>>4171611
You do know, if you constantly play with the fear of being DP'ed, you'll find it quite unfunny. Some DPs are more secure than others, some have invinsible frames, so it's of course dependant on the character. Please do tell me how to both block and counter a Yukari 623C. You can figure out the rest. Wake-up DP is the same thing as mashing on wake-up - you're screwed if there's just a little lag. Actually you can be screwed either way, as this case can turn out very random results in Soku; many things are quite random in this game.

>>4171689
I can't respond seriously to this. While you are obviously of the belief that every fighting game is PERFECT, whereof absolutey every aspects of them are PERFECTLY balanced, whereas no moves, no characters, etc. are cheaper than others. This must be so if you was serious in your response. I myself is not of this belief, for this reason there's no chance that we can discuss this matter any further. I'm not going to diss your opinion, though; your opinion is your own. Let's leave it at that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:06:23 2010 No.4172048 Someone host for a while.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:06:23 2010 No.4172051

>>4171990
First of all, 623c is not a dp. Only 623b has melee invulnerable frames, and only at level 4. Secondly, if you are getting hit by dps a lot, then you are being too predictable, have bad spacing, or you're getting screwed by input delay / shitty connection. Thirdly, 623c is neutral at best on block, and that's at midscreen.
If you're getting hit by wakeup dps, then use meaty bullets or space better.

Maybe you should check out those articles in the other thread. They're not just about street fighter; ignore the troll. Those threads contain the basics of ALL fighting games.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:07:23 2010 No.4172062

>>4171990
Balance is never perfect, of course. But it's almost never so clear-cut as to make one move so overpowered that it is always the best choice and doesn't have a simple counter.

And we call those few exceptions "broken". "Cheap" does not exist.

Saje Mon Jan 18 19:08:23 2010 No.4172071

East Coast host
69.119.178.162:07500

>>4171467
I personally love the flame sword card. It's a great tool, especially once you get it to level 3 when its range doubles. One thing I like to do is score a knockdown, plant a waterfall/dew crystals on the opponent's body, high jump backwards, land, and flame sword. The majority of people will tech towards you to avoid the waterfall/crystals and start grazing into you to start an offensive since Patchy has such shitty melee aside from flame sword. I've scored a shit ton of easy damage doing things similar to that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:08:23 2010 No.4172080 >>4171948 sorry im not good and second i got dinner it was nice dying every round but im not angry about it thanks for the beating it was refreshing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:09:23 2010 No.4172091 >>4171948 Good games Da Ze. I hope you didn't mind me playing only Okuu. I've been wanting to get better with her for a while. Rehosting 76.29.15.231:07500 US Midwest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:10:23 2010 No.4172094 File: 114 KB, 500x374, catfish, meirin - 1263332404732.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 24.126.238.181:10800 US East Above beginner level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:19:23 2010 No.4172156 >>4172071 Flame sword is punishable on block. I don't like it. The time I got hit by Youmu level 5 runpast (on wrongblock, no less) was the last time I used it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:32:23 2010 No.4172245 >>4172071 I was about to say "interesting!", but then I read >>4172156 sadface

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:36:23 2010 No.4172286 Good games. I got pretty lucky with that double KO, there was no way I could've won without that 4th game. Rehosting >>4172091

E-MAN Mon Jan 18 19:40:23 2010 No.4172328
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>>4171962
>>4171652
Nooooo, I missed an opportunity to play or get my face bashed in by, whichever's first, Icekin. Damn dirty clothes and damn my little cousin and his basketball games ;_;

>>4171923
>The only thing that bugs me remotely in this game is when good players that I know are much better than me do the same move repeatedly (such as a dp) despite getting punished for it heavily every time.

Good thing you're not talking about me! I can't DP to save my life, let alone do it as a troll. But those are my sentiments exactly.

You know who was fun? Giant Tree! That bastard provided so many LOLs before, during, and after matches. Whatever happened to him?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:41:54 2010 No.4172339 File: 774 KB, 1144x1225, Utsuho.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4170472 rehosting

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:42:23 2010 No.4172351

>>4171990
Just because a motion is 623 doesn't make it a DP.
The move isn't entirely safe on block, many characters can punish it 100% or nearly 100%, such as Reimu using 2A or Alice using f.5A.
Moves which do chip damage and reset to roughly neutral exist for every character. Moves which close distance and reset to neutral are also common. Tenshi's 623B sword dash is safe on rightblock against everyone except Hong I think. Without these types of moves it disturbs the incentives of the game. An almost safe minimal payoff for offensive behavior is a good thing for a fighting game, it encourages actual fighting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:44:23 2010 No.4172368 99.243.193.194:10800 Eastern Canada Crap tier.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:45:23 2010 No.4172372

>>4172051
I guess it's a question of definition regarding whether Yukari's 623C is a dp or not, but I won't go there any further. I'll not point out what I have problems with personally, or even if I have any of these "problems" at all. i was just pointing out some minor details that have been bugging me. I did check out the articles, but I haven't read everything about footsies yet. Thanks for shooting in some neutral arguments in this matter.

>>4172062
SSSORRY! medic.jpg

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:50:23 2010 No.4172426

>>4172094
Good games 6A! Really sorry for cutting it short, I have dinner and some schoolwork I put off to take care of. You're from Europe, right? I'm surprised how well our connection was, less lag than playing people from Central US.

I've heard good things about your Alice, and she's truly quite fearsome. If she hadn't been nerfed, those B bullets would be guard crushing me left and right. Thanks for the games, and may we play again in the future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:53:23 2010 No.4172450 Are we playing 10.5 or 12.3?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:53:23 2010 No.4172457 for guy: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9425979

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:54:23 2010 No.4172463 >>4172426 GGs. I can't react between dash out and jump out for the life of me when playing against US players. You're also quite good, you adapted damn fast to my attacks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 19:57:23 2010 No.4172496 >>4168356 hosting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:00:23 2010 No.4172532 >>4172091 GG Duckator. I would play more but I had something to do. I feel like you'd beat me if your deck was better or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:04:23 2010 No.4172569 >>4172351 I'll have to thank you too for informative input.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:05:23 2010 No.4172578 File: 41 KB, 400x300, 1263009019293.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4172450 >Hisouten Netplay

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:05:23 2010 No.4172588 >>4172578 At least the older thread had soku in the subject!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:06:23 2010 No.4172597 http://forums.shoryuken.com/content.php?r=47-Don-t-train-hard-TRAIN-SMART-21-21-21-21 http://forums.shoryuken.com/content.php?r=40-Learn-Footsies-to-Make-Your-Ground-Game-Not-Suck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:14:23 2010 No.4172667 EU hostings: 88.90.244.220:10800 Don't know how long I can play before this injury starts stinging. Just a heads-up. Above beginner level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:15:23 2010 No.4172678 File: 357 KB, 1234x817, 7183117a76d547bc87aedc8d1b68869d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4172071 Great games Saje, as usual. I love your style. Next time we play I swear I'll try my Remilia, I'm starting to get used a little bit to her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:18:23 2010 No.4172693 >>4172667 ...or sleep/common sense catches up to me...

Saje Mon Jan 18 20:19:23 2010 No.4172707

>>4172071
GGs, Akagi. Well, those were annoyingly more even than I remember them being, hehe. Seems like you took some lessons from Anonymous's School of Air-Tech Punishing, because a lot of what I saw you doing was straight from his book, though he's a lot more consistent with it. Definitely made a great addition to your game though (especially against me). I swear, I might as well kiss 1/2 my health bar goodbye when you activate MPP in the corner. I can't time those backdashes correctly to avoid the punches and any attempts to get out of the corner will just get beat out by punch spamming. Gonna have to work some more on that... Glad to see you continuing to improve.

Guy Mon Jan 18 20:22:23 2010 No.4172725

>>4172457
Oh my, not only do you give me replays of my two least favorite Meiling match-ups (Suika and Youmu), but it also helped me come up with a couple nifty combos (j.2A -> 66 5A -> 5A -> 3-card Youhou -> 2C was fun and caused limit, but not very damaging). I think I'll stick to doing Sky Dragon Kick if j.2A crosses up, though. The guy was really good at landing both hits of j.8A after the 5AAA -> 2B -> 6C hjc9 -> j.5A -> j.8A; I have to improvise and do j.6A instead of j.8A depending on my spacing, it seems. Also, it feels like hjc9 j.5A only connects after 6C if you're near the corner, I seem to have better luck connecting the hjc if I just skip the 6C; I would do 5AAA -> 2B -> 2C -> j.5A -> j.6A, but I can't seem to dash/fly cancel the 2C consistently enough to actually try landing the combo in a match.

That Youmu DP at just the right time to win one round from the Meiling felt very familiar, though. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:24:23 2010 No.4172744 >>4172693 hey sorry was it me or was that slow for you? it sounds like an excuse but i got hit with lag hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:27:23 2010 No.4172761 >>4172744 Don't worry, it was very slow. It didn't seem too bad at first, but it turned out sluggish. >>4172667 Still up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:29:24 2010 No.4172773 I'd like some Suwako replays, do you know of any good ones? Thanks in advance!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:31:24 2010 No.4172781 any US hosts?

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 20:32:24 2010 No.4172796 File: 132 KB, 620x740, 1261369571109.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyways, hostan: 76.28.244.101:10800 USWest Does alright in Practice but forgets to do the stuff he learned in actual matches tier.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:33:24 2010 No.4172799

All I can really do is jump and float along the wall while shooting my charged up c attack and air dodging any incoming attack with remilia and reimu. I can beat arcade mode lunatic too easily with this method, but it just doesn't feel right. I know I'd die quickly in a match with a real player, but I don't know where to practice properly because the computer AI is too simple to beat. Someone give me some pointers please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:35:24 2010 No.4172810 >>4172799 Play real people. Learn from how they play. You could try to watch Japanese tournament replays, but high-level play is so different, it's like another game compared to what you'll see here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:36:24 2010 No.4172816 >>4172799 download the smarter AI or keep fighting online and find a way to hug the wall more.

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 20:37:24 2010 No.4172822 >>4172796 UGH, those desyncs. What the hell?

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:38:24 2010 No.4172831

>>4172799

Use the Soku custom AI to try to boost your performance. They're nothing like fighting real players, but the Iku and Reimu AIs are tough enough to teach you what you can get away with and what you can't. Remilia's AI is pretty bullshit too, but that might just be because I play Alice

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 20:39:24 2010 No.4172843 >>4172822 Godfuckingdammit. I'm going to restart my computer and see if that helps for any weird reason. Sorry Rabbit. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:40:24 2010 No.4172846 >>4172810 What tournament replays are there of Hisoutensoku? I honestly wouldn't even know where to look. The closest thing to high level play I've found is a batch of Sanae replays I got from the Hisoutensoku touhou wiki

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:42:21 2010 No.4172861 File: 610 KB, 800x608, Merlin toot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4170472 hosting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:43:24 2010 No.4172864 Two questions. 1. Why are some level backgrounds completely black? Is this actually a level or am I missing a bg file or something? 2. Can I change the resolution? It's super small on my rather large resolution monitor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:44:24 2010 No.4172873 >>4172864 1.no 2.full mode

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:44:24 2010 No.4172875

>>4172846
Looks like it hasn't been updated in forever, but http://swr.mizuumi.net/index.php/Tournaments

Also, you could look on the IaMP page, since most Hisoutensoku tournaments are held concurrently.

>>4172843
Guy, when you return, I have to know how you do guardcrush into dial-A with Meirin. When I played someone earlier, every time I landed a crush my opponent was able to block 5A in time.

I guess there's always guardcrush into Comet Kick, if nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:45:24 2010 No.4172881 Oh, 1 more question. I downloaded and installed the 1.03 patch for soku, but the window title bar still says 1.00 on it. Is this normal?

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 20:47:24 2010 No.4172904 >>4172875 Err...66 5AAAA really fast. That's about all I can tell ya, hahaha. >>4172796 Rehostan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:47:24 2010 No.4172907 >>4172881 Nope, it should say 1.03. You may have installed to the SWR location instead of Hisoutensoku

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 20:49:24 2010 No.4172922 >>4172904 Okay, I am seriously confused. Why is this happening?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:50:24 2010 No.4172924 >>4172904 You know, it just may be a problem on my side since I was getting this behavior with E-MAN. I can host to see if that helps if you like.

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 20:50:24 2010 No.4172928 >>4172924 Please do, I need all the practice I can get!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:51:24 2010 No.4172931 >>4172846 http://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/%E6%9D%B1%E6%96%B9%E9%9D%9E%E6%83%B3%E5%A4%A9%E5%89%87

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:51:24 2010 No.4172934 my question, how do I beat you guys. epically you GUYYYYYYYYYY

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:51:24 2010 No.4172936 >>4172928 Hostan 174.0.51.137:10800 Potential Desync could be caused by having a poor wireless connection.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:52:24 2010 No.4172948 >>4172934 /jp/ players have a weakness to keep away tactics. IRC players have weakness to simple but underused tactics

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 20:59:24 2010 No.4172981 File: 95 KB, 600x600, 1260372504159.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4172931 Who's awesome? YOU'RE AWESOME Thank you ::3

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:02:24 2010 No.4172996

I patch to C:\Program Files\tasofro\th123 which is where my soku is. With English locale it patches something, but my title bar stays as ver 1.00. With Japanese locale it gives me an error message with / : * ? " < > | which I'm assuming means I can't have any of those characters in the path name, which I shouldn't. I'm running Windows7 btw. Any help would be awesome as I really love playing this game.

>>	Seacats Mon Jan 18 21:29:24 2010 No.4173221 96.245.188.62:10800 slightly higher than casual tier

>>	Seacats Mon Jan 18 21:36:24 2010 No.4173268 >>4173221 here anyone still here?

Guy Mon Jan 18 21:37:24 2010 No.4173281

>>4172936
Another desync! Anyways, I hope you don't mind if I end it there for a little while, my neck is getting really stiff for some reason. Good games, Rabbit, your Youmu is still quite fierce. You'd think that I would be able to block charged melee more consistently! Also, I don't know if it's because of Youmu's height or how you were playing her, but it was really hard landing the cross-ups on you.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:41:24 2010 No.4173312

>>4172936
Haha, good games Guy. I like how I can Youmu to my hearts content without feeling guilty against you. Unfortunately I don't know any strings to force players to stay on the ground at this level of play, as level 1 Rekka does not knock players down quick enough. Basically, to win games I just started pre-empting aerial attacks so that I wouldn't lose aerial exchanges anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:42:24 2010 No.4173319 What patch are we on nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:43:24 2010 No.4173331 >>4173319 It's been v1.03 since October, bro.

Guy Mon Jan 18 21:45:24 2010 No.4173346

>>4173319
1.03 because 1.10 is a myth and will never actually exist.

>>4173312
I noticed that, so I started trying to bait your pre-emps into j.5Cs, but you ended up grazing and chicken-blocking! ;_; Unfortunately, I don't really have any suggestions for strings and forcing people to the ground with Youmu, since I don't play her. I'm sure you'll have no trouble figuring something out, though!

>>4172934
>how to beat Guy

Play keep-away/punish air-techs/block/bait risky moves

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:47:24 2010 No.4173359 >>4173346 Have you seen tasofro's latest diary? 1.10 will be another expansions with new characters and will be released at reitaisai.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:49:24 2010 No.4173373

>>4173346
Haha, the funny thing is that I noticed your j.5C countermeasure to that too and then the matches swung back into your favour. I was in the process of learning how to counter your counter of my counter before we desynced. Things like this is what I enjoy about SWR, rather than players complaining about "doing the same thing over and over" without seeing the subtleties.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:52:24 2010 No.4173389

>>4173331
Scratch that, since the end of September.

>>4173346
Fun facts: While sorting through my replay folder, I noticed you were #1 for games played in v1.03, at 86 matches. This despite the fact that there was a period from the end of September to mid-December that we didn't play any games because of your horrendous college Internet. Second was E-MAN at 78, followed by Lunker (70), raymoo (61, in the course of just 2 weeks), and Duckator (57).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:54:24 2010 No.4173401 >>4173389 How do you check the player count anyways?

Guy Mon Jan 18 21:55:24 2010 No.4173410

>>4173359
Why do you build me up (build me up)
Buttercup baby just to let me down (let me down)
and mess me around!

>>4173373
I probably took it to the air so often since I was sick of getting baited into your ground dash skill thing. Oh, by the way, is that thing grazeable? Also, I learned the that green sword spell is grazeable, but the blue one isn't. That was painful. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:55:24 2010 No.4173415 >>4173389 so these are the people i have to stay away from if i want a chance to win a match...understood putting them on my black list.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 21:59:24 2010 No.4173440 >>4173401 Manually renaming the files, then manually sorting them into folders. There must be a better way of doing things. It'd be nice if mauve made a version of Cowcaster for 12.3, but you know how those IaMP folks are prejudiced toward SWR.

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 22:01:24 2010 No.4173466 >>4173440 God that sounds like a lot of effort. I don't save many replays, myself, though maybe I should. One thing that amused me, though, was the fact that the very first full match we were able to play without desync we double-ko'd each other, hahaha.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:03:24 2010 No.4173486

>>4173410
Purple slide is not grazeable, and I carry them to punish people who graze forward through my bullets. Unfortunately, it has a low hit box and so it also was not a counter to air jumping. Because the blue sword and dragon punch on crack is not grazeable I was hoping to catch you with it on a jump, but blue sword comes out too slow (the only time it connected was when you grazed forward). For hyper dragon punch, I tried to time them on your j.2A crossups and leaps when I dashed towards you, but often I would miss and attack behind you. This experience has made me design a deck just now specially suited to what I think can break that type of defense. It's dumped the guard crush and forward graze punishment for pure anti-air.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:08:24 2010 No.4173524 >>4173466 Ah, I think you've mistaken >>4173440 for the wrong person. I definately don't keep my files that organized, although I also lol'd when we double KO'd.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:10:24 2010 No.4173544

>>4173466
Hmm? Saving replays are as easy as moving the selection to the left when the game is over and confirming, two extra button presses. But going back to name the players is a bit of a chore, I'll admit.

Too bad several replays are corrupted, and I have no idea why that happens.

Watching replays used to be my way of assessing what I was doing right and wrong, as well as making player adjustments. Or back in the day of fish decks, material for video clips to put up some day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:15:24 2010 No.4173573 >>4173524 >Ah, I think you've mistaken >>4173440 for the wrong person. Indeed he did. By the way Rabbit-Box, we have 45 replays. I think the score is something ridiculously lopsided like 35-10 in your favor, but I'm not going to check.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:16:24 2010 No.4173584 >>4173544 replays don't work between versions.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:16:24 2010 No.4173586

For people wanting Soku videos use this:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/search/%E6%9D%B1%E6%96%B9%E9%9D%9E%E6%83%B3%E5%A4%A9%E5%89%87
Now stick one of the following ratings on to get player tier (IE make the search field 東方非想天則 ph)
Phantasm - ph
Extra - ex
Lunatic - luna
There are also Hard, Normal and Easy. Japanese players rate themselves by Touhou stage difficulty. So if you want huge tourneyfags you search for ph level videos. You can also put in a character's name to make it easier.
/jp/ level play tends to average in the easy to normal range. IRC average is hard to lunatic, with maybe 10ish ex players and 3-5 ph players at most.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:20:24 2010 No.4173623 >>4173573 Haha, I'm at a loss for your identity however. Factoring out all the people you mentioned (Guy, E-MAN, Duckator and Lurker are who I usually end up playing the most, as well as IRC tier players), I can only guess. Saje?

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 22:23:24 2010 No.4173647 >>4173586 Yeah, I did the exact same search with Nico several days back when I was scrounging for good Meiling replays, it's just too bad that the videos are so damn choppy.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:24:24 2010 No.4173658
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>>4172667
>>4172761
Great games, Su, I'm going to call it a night, it's 04:20 AM over there haha. You've got some godly Suwako, and high tier Patchy/Aya/Tenshi, it was really pleasing to fight them all. I was really impressed by your Suwako, grats dude, it's the first time I see her played so well.

>>	Saje Mon Jan 18 22:28:24 2010 No.4173686 >>4172071 Rehosting >>4173623 Nay. I always post with a name, just to make people's lives easier.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:32:24 2010 No.4173722

>>4173658
Hey, we live in the same time zone. Scandinaviafag here. Thanks for the compliments, it's good to practice some straight forward mash-or-get-mashed against Suika. Tenshi and Aya are both something of the past - SWR to be precise, but I play them once in awhile when the input is good, and the matches not too srsbsns. I remember that you were a bit too generous with the teching when I played characters I could punish properly with, but I noticed that you stopped at times too, making me waste orbs. Anyway, GGs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:32:24 2010 No.4173728 File: 460 KB, 640x479, Kaguya and mokou.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4170472 rehosting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:34:24 2010 No.4173741 >>4173221 Good games. I have a much better understanding of Okuu now. She doesn't feel nearly as clumsy as she did before.

>>	Seacats Mon Jan 18 22:35:24 2010 No.4173751 >>4173741 and I have a slightly larger hatred of her giant bullets that eat everything, GGs though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:38:24 2010 No.4173792 >>4173586 you forgot irc. phantasm is much lower than irc level videos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:42:24 2010 No.4173812 >>4173792 What? The "in IRC" means the matches came from IRC. "in AU" means from address updater. Etc.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:45:24 2010 No.4173833

>>4173686
Ah, sorry about so few games Saje but good games nonetheless. It looks like I didn't save the deck I tried to build but wanted to test. For a while there I was afraid of how to approach your Patchy because of how effective your Emerald city was.

Saje Mon Jan 18 22:46:24 2010 No.4173845

>>4172071
Rehosting

>>4173686
Well, that could have gone infinitely better. What I wouldn't give for either slightly better prediction or split-second faster reaction times. Ate way too many easy guardcrushes there. Cried when I missed the Emerald City->Royal Flare combo. Cost me the only game I might have won there, hehe. Would've liked to have played some more Rabbit ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 22:51:24 2010 No.4173884 So what are the current rumors for 1.10? Tasofro said they wanted to spend 1 day per character about 4 months ago right? That means 120 characters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:06:24 2010 No.4174019 >>4173884 No 1.10, you are the rumor And then 1.10 was vaporware ;_;

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:16:24 2010 No.4174119

>>4173845
Good games Saje.

I honestly don't know what happened there. You've been out of practice? It's definitely a strange feeling when my Komachi finally won that nightmare matchup against your Patchouli. I guess you could try to punish my escapes better, since whenever I got close to spirit drain I'd expect you to use projectiles and start dashing out or just randomly BE forward and hope for the best.

Saje Mon Jan 18 23:17:24 2010 No.4174149

>>4173845
Seems as though it's just not my day today, I'm getting tossed around left and right. Oh well, was glad to share a few games with you again, a.a. Tried to use BEs more effectively during our fights. It seems to have worked well in some places and absolutely abysmally in others (e.g. the end of that last match where you staggered your melee instead of going for the blockstring). Sigh, why can't the bullshit pressure with Grand Canyon sized holes that I make use of work half as effectively on the upper half of /jp/ as it does the lower half? I kid. Good games as always.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:19:24 2010 No.4174173 >>4170472 Don't be a noob, Disco. You can do better than that. First step is to die like a man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:22:24 2010 No.4174205 >>4174173 I got sick of being trapped in the corner.

>>	Guy Mon Jan 18 23:23:24 2010 No.4174213 File: 353 KB, 750x1000, 1260534067470.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hostan: 76.28.244.101:10800 USWest Trying a few more things with Meiling.

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:25:24 2010 No.4174243

>>4174205
Whatever ammount of "sick" you obtained by being trapped in the corner, resulted later in 10 times as much "sick" on my account. I can play cat and mice with my Patchouli, that would surely be a laughing matter to be had, but with Suwako... Man, that hurt my hand badly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:33:24 2010 No.4174334 124.148.167.226:10800 australia

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:36:24 2010 No.4174360 >>4166596 balls are touching

Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:52:24 2010 No.4174552

I just started playing this game about 3 days ago at a friends suggestion. Where can I find more material on this game? Moves and such, and also what is this custom AI? It sounds like I should be playing against it to get a better understanding of how exactly each move works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:53:24 2010 No.4174559 >>4174552 http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/user.php?board=218&topic=53132999&user=817340

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:54:24 2010 No.4174568 >>4174552 http://swr.mizuumi.net/index.php/Main_Page bookmark it, learn it, become the one

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:54:24 2010 No.4174572 >>4174552 http://swr.mizuumi.net/index.php/Main_Page

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 18 23:57:24 2010 No.4174590 71.8.122.156:10800 US Central HOSTING tier

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:18:24 2010 No.4174731 Never mash on wake-up, don't air tech all the time, read the wiki, play games here, and you'll be fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:25:24 2010 No.4174786 File: 35 KB, 140x240, cad8aca145ba89f4be5bf65.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] anyone still game? will join any room and make an ass out of my self tier

Guy Tue Jan 19 00:26:24 2010 No.4174804

>>4174213
Good games, Larfleeze. Man, I haven't played you in forever! Your Meiling is pretty decent with those cross-up j.2As, but you've gotta watch out for going in too deep with default 214C, it's very much punishable on block. Ummm...I forgot what else I was gonna say, but try to air-tech less, or at least air-tech when I'm not around to punish it.

>>4174731
>don't air tech all the time

It's easier said than done for some people. Like me. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:29:24 2010 No.4174821 >>4174804 Yeah, good games. I haven't played in a really long time and I've only started again today (you were my first opponent for the night!), hence why I keep messing up any of my combos or try to air-tech a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:32:24 2010 No.4174861 >>4174786 I guess I could host for a while. 76.29.15.231:07500

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:34:24 2010 No.4174878 I'll host up again, from EU. EU! 88.90.244.220:10800 Above beginner-tier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:36:24 2010 No.4174886 >>4174786 >lolsuika.gif Great, now I got spit all over my screen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:38:24 2010 No.4174908 >>4174804 On another note, I see you around here quite alot, yet I've never played with you. Damn Atlantic ocean ;_;

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:51:24 2010 No.4174998

>>4174552 here

Question, I find that if I get knocked down in a corner I am open to whatever melee attack the other guy has when I get up, no matter what I do. Even guarding doesn't seem to work, even if I try to anticipate a lower guard or a high guard they can just change where they are attacking and get me anyway until I can recover or they decide to back off. Is there some sort of secret for getting out of corners safely or do I need to just predict high-low attacks and try to guard them all?

>>	Guy Tue Jan 19 00:51:24 2010 No.4174999 >>4174908 Hmm...well, if any Eurofriends want to have a game with me just feel free to connect whenever I host. If it gets too laggy I'll probably leave after a match or two, but it can't hurt to try!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:55:24 2010 No.4175030 >>4174590 GGs a.a. What can I say I haven't said a thousand times before. Thanks for the matches!

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:55:24 2010 No.4175037

>>4174590
Why do I keep hacking the game and winning when you use Iku's reversal card? No idea.

Oh wow, when we both do Aya's 2B it produces a very interesting sound.

Anyway, good games E-MAN, interesting matches as always. Hope that was enough serious fighting for tonight!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:57:24 2010 No.4175049 >>4174998 See>>4174878

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 00:59:24 2010 No.4175059 >>4175037 You are the hacker! Ever17 makes sense to me now!! A better question is if your Aya was producing warm air and mine cold, why didn't our 2Bs clash into Tornado SC?

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:09:24 2010 No.4175111
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>>4175059
Because you didn't activate the SC.

By the way, were most of those crows supposed to be 214's instead? I can never seem to reliably do Aya's 214, getting 412 constantly but maybe that's just me. Hope you've warmed up to your new controller by now.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:12:24 2010 No.4175123

>>4175111
First round, yes. Second round, about a quarter of them were suppose to be Psycho Crushers (you may have noticed when I started the round off just doing nothing but them. I was pissed I kept using crows). Funny thing is, I learned the PC can be Tiger Knee'd! May come in handy someday...

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:28:24 2010 No.4175204

>>4174998
Ways to get out of the corner:
1. Find a hole in your opponent's blockstring and jump/dash/counterattack out. The better your opponent, the more difficult this will be. Against bad opponents, the easiest hole is usually after the 5AA when they go for B bullets. Just dash in their faces and counterattack.
2. Groundtech. This will cause you to slide along the ground invincibly a preset distance. Better opponents will predict this and will be waiting at your destination with another blockstring or possibly a cross-up. Don't tech into the corner. That's asking for rape.
3. Border escape, a special kind of jump/dash that can only be initiated while in blockstun. To do so, press the direction you want to move in (including up) and DD. This will voluntarily crush one of your own orbs, put you into a grazing jump/dash, and even cause you to pass through your opponent. Melee attacks beat border escapes, so only do so once your opponent has switched to bullets.
4. System cards, namely Iku's scarf and Reimu's talisman. The former can on be used during blockstun, will hit your opponent, hit limit (meaning he will hit the ground, no air-teching allowed), and fly a good distance away. It can be predicted and blocked though. Reimu's talisman can not be used during blockstun, but has melee invulnerability, graze frames, and is less easily baited than the scarf.
5. Wake-up DP/reversal spellcard. Don't do this. It's ridiculously unsafe.

Obviously, none of these are guaranteed. The easiest would be Iku's scarf, but you'll only get at most 4 of those in a set and you'll probably get cornered more than 4 times. Pick the best one for the opponent your facing, specific situation you're in, and based on what you did previously (someone who always escapes at the same hole in the same blockstring can get predicted and recornered as a result if the opponent is good enough).

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:29:24 2010 No.4175213
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So, does anyone know a decent, easy to use program for getting Hisoutensoku to recognize multiple buttons assigned to a single function, IE two buttons assigned to C instead of just one? I ask because I'm trying to figure out if there is any way to make use of Alice's Ambush Doll alt 236bc, but expecting my poor thumb to deal with holding down B or C AND still be doing other shit as well is just too much to ask of it. I use a PS2 controller, so the logical conclusion is "use the R2 and L2 buttons!"

But I still want to use the face buttons on the front for boolets and shit as well. So, yeah. Help, please!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:34:24 2010 No.4175248 >>4175204 The most sensible way to get out is a hole in the block strings and you practically have to MEMORIZE which moves leave gaps on blocking. It's the thing I hate most about pretty much all fightans.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:34:24 2010 No.4175249

>>4175213
I'm not sure if this would work, but you could try a program called joy2key. My understanding of it is that it will bind the buttons on your controller to buttons on the keyboard, so you can set multiple controller buttons to the same keyboard button, then map SWR to the appropriate keyboard buttons. I've never used it though, just working based on my understanding from other threads.

Alternatively, buy an arcade stick. Holding buttons would be infinitely easier on one of those.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:35:24 2010 No.4175261

>>4175213
default you already have E and F which count as A+B and B+C. ! set button cannot be used for another button. If you wish to turn off manually combine buttons for supers and card switching move the last option during button config to the right.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:44:24 2010 No.4175320
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>>4175249

Thanks, I'll give that program a try. I really, really don't look forward to the idea of retraining my fingers to deal with an arcade stick, especially for a game as mechanically simple as Hisoutensoku. Maybe if we were talking about Melty Blood or Blazblue or some shit ::p

Have some ridiculously cute Alice in return

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 01:54:24 2010 No.4175373 i want to be able to fight on your guys level, so should i go get myself an arcade stick? how much would a good one cost? would it really help my matches?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:01:24 2010 No.4175428 >>4175373 Your controller doesn't make a difference in how well you play in this game, the only way of getting better is practicing and playing a lot, getting info from the wiki helps a lot too

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:02:24 2010 No.4175440

>>4175373
An arcade stick is not a necessity. If you find that your current control scheme isn't giving you any problems whatsoever, you won't get anything out of learning stick until you get a lot better and need to perform difficult inputs like Tenshi's 2B j.2B corner blockstring without any holes (obviously possible on controller/keyboard with practice, but easier on a stick). That said, learning stick is always a good idea since knowing how allows you to play on PCs, consoles, and arcade machines without needing to learn a new input method.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:04:24 2010 No.4175455

>>4175320

Samefag here. Okay, apparently Hisoutensoku is actively detecting that I am using a controller, and overwrites my keyboard settings with my default controller ones even though I specifically set all the controls to be done through keyboard keys in the options menu ::/

Ugh, this looks like it's going to get complicated

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:07:24 2010 No.4175478 I just figured a name for my tier when hosting; CPU tier. Yes, I'm that bad. Must be nice knowing that you have a future in this game and can actually improve, because I sure as hell can't. I've reached my "skillroof" a long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:10:24 2010 No.4175494 >>4175478 hey if you think about it, there are still 5 levels of CPU easy normal hard lunatic Human AI if you are near the top, and stick with the fundamentals, you can still beat those stuck in easy modo

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:13:24 2010 No.4175518 >>4175494 No one's stuck at easy level. NO ONE. If there are some, then they aren't doing it right.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:15:24 2010 No.4175543

>>4175478
Hey, it's alright bro. I'm pretty shit and I come in for a game every now and then. /jp/ has players of all skill levels. 12.3 is the most fun game in the world if you've got some real nail biter matches with guys who are at your level, but it's shit when your getting the floor mopped with you're head.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:16:24 2010 No.4175547

i've been using my ps3 controller as a poor mans arcade stick. only played for a few days, but getting a 623 is near impossible for me outside of practice mode. any tips on that? :\

what i usually do is push forward, then down and to the right, but it usually doesn't register and makes me jump or do something stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:16:24 2010 No.4175549 Please bloom faster you fucking low-tier casuals. I'm still waiting for you at the top.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:17:24 2010 No.4175552

>>4175518
my friend believes he broke game when he played sakuya, corner camped, and spammed 214B in arcade.
Surprised it worked, but now he wants to try it on me. I even told him about grazing. Hell you can walk under it.
Go fight him he needs a whopping. I'll feel mean if I do it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:17:24 2010 No.4175555 >>4175549 gb2 irc you fucking nigger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:18:24 2010 No.4175563 >>4175552 I thought the whole friggen point of spell cards in Story mode was to make newbies come to /jp/ and say STOP HITTING THE TORNADO BUTTON CHUCKLEFUCK HOW DO I BEAT AYA and then they are told and learn how to graze.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:19:24 2010 No.4175569 >>4175478 hah, if you were to play me i'm sure you'd feel like a gold medal touhou olympian. all i know how to do is spam zxczxczczxczxczxczxczxxczxczxczxczxczxczxczxc. west coast here if you ever want to try

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:19:24 2010 No.4175571 >>4175547 hell right now im doing a 2626 to make it register on my keyboard, so guess you can either aim for the corner, 626 and hope it reads, or 2626.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:19:24 2010 No.4175578 >>4175549 I bet you're terrible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:20:24 2010 No.4175589 I play with an Xbox controller. All my dashing moves are dash+C because it's impossible to hit the top and bottom buttons at the same time. This is a bad habit when I'm not using Ice Girl or Peaches.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:22:24 2010 No.4175603 >>4175563 retard-with-AIDS here, what exactly is grazing? just dashing through bullets or what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:22:24 2010 No.4175608 there needs to be a way to determine if one is ranked well with others, say like what mode you can beat in story mode without continue ranking. I would be normal modo cause once i finish story i never went back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:25:24 2010 No.4175626 >>4175603 Exactly. Grazing is anytime where bullets won't hurt you.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:25:24 2010 No.4175627

>>4175603
the term we use in Touhou games, pretty much dodging bullets, but enough to put your finger on them to get points without dying.
In 12.3 it just means we can go pass bullets, but if you let go or end up neutral the bullets will hit if you dont guard or double dash out.
damn must of posted this 3 times in this thread alone.
http://swr.mizuumi.net/index.php/Main_Page
read and learn, return when you think you want to test it out, don't worry out of everyone here, eye the strongest.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:27:24 2010 No.4175640
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>>4175455

Samefag again. For those who care, I have made an interesting discovery. Apparently, when using a USB converter to plug in your PS2 controller, Hisoutensoku, if you are at the menu, will take inputs from that controller and use it to overwrite the keyboard controls. So, if I go to practice mode and select my character all using a controller, when I get ingame, my JoyToKey program won't work because Hisoutensoku is only detecting the controller

HOWEVER, if I enter practice mode with keyboard commands, when I get ingame, JoyToKey actually works and I can use multiple buttons for the same function

A little wonky, but it works. Thanks again, Anon that suggested that program~

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:31:24 2010 No.4175667

>>4175589
It's a bad habit in general. Tenshi's 66C isn't blocksafe with her (barring some perfect alignment of hitboxes requiring perfect spacing that I may be unaware of) and I'm believe the same is true of Cirno, but I'm less certain about that one.

Don't know what the default mapping is on the 360 controller, but if you're having troubles, why not just remap the buttons? Putting D on a bumper/shoulder should work.

>>4175603
Graze is a term used to reference any period of bullet invulnerability. You have graze frames during dashes, super-jumps, border escapes, and certain skills/system cards/spell cards.

>>4175640
Glad you managed to get it worked out. Hope it wasn't all for nothing though, heh. Maybe I should write that down in case I ever want to try out Patchy's 214 swords card...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 02:40:24 2010 No.4175730 >Custom AI Oh this sounds neat I guess I'll give it a sh- Ow.

Guy Tue Jan 19 03:30:24 2010 No.4176035
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>>4174861
Queen of Hell Crows, do you have enough anti-air?

Good games, Duckator. Man, when did you get such a serious Okuu? I thought Sakuya was supposed to be your main! Anyways, it seemed like both of us were doing a lot of experimenting in that match; I hope you'll excuse my lack of defense, I was trying to see which of my moves had priority over yours and when (I still can't believe your j.6A beats out my alt 214B, that was ridiculous). Ummm...I forgot what else I was going to say. Fun matches, though.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 03:36:24 2010 No.4176072

>>4174861
Great games Guy. I wasn't expecting anyone to join and I was just about to go to sleep before you joined. Not that I mind, it's not like I have anything to do tomorrow.

Those games were really back and forth. Either you got me trapped in the corner or I hit you with a huge damage spellcard. I tried to border escape but half of the time I ended up grazing right into your melee attack.
I still think Okuu's moves are too laggy but I guess her high-damage spellcards make up for it.

Guy Tue Jan 19 03:42:24 2010 No.4176106

>>4176072
Oh yeah, one thing that was really annoying was that you had an anti-air for almost everything. Your cape worked, the kick worked, hell, even your goddamn 2A hit me out of a j.5A once. So not only did it make jump-ins considerably harder to do, but I could hardly do j.2A cross-up -> Sky Dragon Kick. ;_; You eliminated like a third of my game with your anti-air!

Oh yeah, and your 66B has way more graze frames than I thought it did. That was really quite surprising.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 03:57:24 2010 No.4176203

>>4176106
>Duckator. Man, when did you get such a serious Okuu? I thought Sakuya was supposed to be your main!
I rarely play her so she's become my weakest character. I thought I'd train her a bit just in case I get her in a random match or something.

>Oh yeah, and your 66B has way more graze frames than I thought it did. That was really quite surprising.
Even so, it doesn't work too well against your C bullets. The knockback throws me right back into it after I finish grazing.

At least you don't play Alice, you'd have to worry about Okuu's grab range in addition to her anti-air.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9421819

>>	Guy Tue Jan 19 04:09:24 2010 No.4176271 >>4176203 Hahaha, oh wow. That is quite ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 04:09:24 2010 No.4176272 File: 500 KB, 900x879, 1263274396515.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any other extremely bad newbies who fail at life from the states (or somewhere where you won't lag dicks to a west coast host) feel like playing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 05:51:24 2010 No.4176694 >>4175478 here. There's a difference between losing because you're a beginner or losing because you're bad. I'm the latter. You beginners can at least get better if you practice. I can't.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 06:58:24 2010 No.4176891

From the wiki

"Each combo requires Meiling to have her 22B/C set as "Sky Dragon Kick", her 214B/C set as "Descending Flower Slam" at level 2 or higher, and optionally her 623B/C set as Tiger Strength."

I was trying to learn some combos... Now I'm just plain confused.. Someone please explain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:12:24 2010 No.4176939 >>4176891 Some fag likes to think that his skillcard combination is better than everything else. The normal combos are still there so just forget about that part.

>>	kitaek27 Tue Jan 19 07:13:24 2010 No.4176943 >>4176891 It means meiling is worthless without alt specials. Now then, someone host, I average POWAH LEVUL.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:17:24 2010 No.4176950 Playing Meiling makes me want to quit. I can't even beat the computer on anything other than easy with her even after learning some moves. Is she really hard to learn or do I just suck really bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:18:24 2010 No.4176953 >>4176950 What's your strategy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:20:24 2010 No.4176960 >>4176953 Get in really close and try to get off some melee combos, but I always get blasted left and right. I can't get off any combos because when I try to stop blocking and fight I get knocked all over the place by reimu.

kitaek27 Tue Jan 19 07:25:24 2010 No.4176978

>>4176960
Don't bother trying to "get close" first without using C coverage. C has a lot of penetration and a huge hitbox so you can really use it as a shield while you dive in.

Almost all other characters in this game have a longer melee reach than Meiling, swooping in without 214B/C or without some sort of bullet coverage is a real mistake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:26:24 2010 No.4176983 >>4176950 wait what? The last time I checked you could slam your face on your keyboard and still win. Are you playing story or arcade?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:27:24 2010 No.4176990 I just started playing yesterday. Should I try to learn with a different character?

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:29:24 2010 No.4177004

>>4176983
I'm playing verse CPU. I know the AI is easy to beat. I beat arcade on lunatic with remilia and reimu with plenty of fights where I didn't get hit once. I'm trying to genuinely fight the computer so I can get a feel for how to fight real players.

kitaek27 Tue Jan 19 07:31:24 2010 No.4177025

>>4176990
CPU's are real morons. For most characters, you can literally close your eyes and spam the C button and win, even in Lunatic mode.

The only exception is story mode, but I don't blame you for dying in story mode. Its a real bitch.

Meiling is NOT a character for beginners. She has poor bullets and her melee has very poor range. Start off with a more balanced character like Reimu, Marisa, Tenshi, Yuyuko (no, don't) or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:33:24 2010 No.4177032 >>4176990 No. China is a great staring character. Most other chars will teach you to keepaway and rely on your bullet moves.

>>	kitaek27 Tue Jan 19 07:34:24 2010 No.4177038 >>4166564 Please don't do that. Learning by fighting cpu's will get you nowhere. They play VERY differently than human players. If you can host I'll hop in and show you the vast difference.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:36:24 2010 No.4177049

>>4177032
That's the playstyle I'm trying to learn, but it's seriously kicking my butt. I learned some combos, but I can't get them off without them being blocked or negated then counterattacked into oblivion and losing range. I don't like the fling bullets from the sideline playstyle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:37:24 2010 No.4177057 >>4177038 I understand your point completely, but if I can't even beat the npc on normal I wouldn't even stand a chance against a real player of any calibur.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:39:24 2010 No.4177067 130.243.165.247:10800 EU hostan

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:41:24 2010 No.4177073 Do I need to download SWR first to play Touhou 12.3?

kitaek27 Tue Jan 19 07:42:24 2010 No.4177076

Not many characters can get away with "fling bullets from the side" since everyone just grazes it off.

Its just you need bullets to COVER you while you go in for a melee. Meiling has terrabad bullets (but like I said, her C is very excellent for zoning). Her combos are also much harder to get off than most other characters and do less damage.

If you can use proper alt skills her damage matches up, but without them she's pretty low tier.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely enjoy Meiling gameplay, but the higher damage combos are much harder to get off than other characters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:50:24 2010 No.4177107 File: 95 KB, 512x483, 1263812030116.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4177076 >Her combos are also much harder to get off than most other characters and do less damage. Alice would like a word with you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:50:24 2010 No.4177110 >>4177076 It is rather depressing that some of the more elaborate combos from Meiling do as much or less than Suika's dial-A combo.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:52:24 2010 No.4177120

>>4177049
I can say that beginners tend to fly up and spam bullets or their favorite special move until you get them into melee range. Those players will mash A or try to fly away right there.
This tactic will fail against anyone who has an idea of grazing and will rush you down.

With China, you should be able to close in range pretty quickly and do some combos. You don't really NEED bullet cover, at least not against the CPU. If the CPU counters you, you are doing it wrong. Don't just AAAA them. Keep them down with easy stuff like 5AA3A5C. If it hit, use 623C. If it gets blocked, jump and reapeat. They rarely block anyway. And if they do, it will fail after 1-2 hits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 07:59:24 2010 No.4177148 >>4177067 Host down, or spec just off?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 08:22:24 2010 No.4177213 I just got this game and am completely new to fighters; how do I not suck using Komachi? She is my waifu but I keep on losing as her ;_;

>>	kitaek27 Tue Jan 19 08:24:24 2010 No.4177219 >>4177067 GGs. Sorry for being so gimmicky, but it really makes up for my lack of reflexes, ahaha.

kitaek27 Tue Jan 19 08:27:24 2010 No.4177232

>>4177213

Komachi's Soku bullets have even less penetration than before. Her C bullets are primarily used for zoning. Her melee is very powerful, but her melee hitbox is very obscure, so you'll have to know exactly where each attack hits to use her properly.

Then there is the 22C gimmick, where you can use to completely confuse the living hell out of her opponent. Use it to make them jump into a random C flying around. You can also use it to force your enemies to take a hit from the catfish card. You can use it to make your 236ALT misses hit even after they dodge it once.

Very lovely gameplay imo.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 08:38:24 2010 No.4177278
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>>4177213

I would have to see specific replays of your tactics to give good advice. Aside from the usual stuff (read up on her combos and get comfortable with her various spell cards), a lot of learning how to play a character comes from learning what moves will let you prevail in what situations. This only comes from experience and attention to detail. Learn what moves of yours cancel into other moves. For most characters, special moves of all kinds (236bc, 623bc, etc) will let them cancel out of regular moves (6a, 5c, etc). That is generally a good area to start: examine your regular moves and figure out which one of them will let you get a combo off on the enemy, or at least let you get attack priority and beat them back at a crucial moment

Most of Komachi's attacks, to my understanding, have an emphasis on range rather than speed, much like Alice. Your ability to play her, at least in theory, will be decided by your grasp of zoning. What distance must you maintain from your enemy to be relatively safe from their attacks, while still being able to bring the strongest of your own strikes to bear? This is knowledge that must be gained through practice

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 08:38:24 2010 No.4177282
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>>4177278

Recognize that each attack in your arsenal is a part of a jigsaw puzzle that all comes together when the proper moves are placed next to eachother. When you're new and still learning, the trick is the ability to judge the qualities in your move set and see how they relate to other moves. Study things such as lag time, attack priority, hit box details, spirit damage done to the enemy, how it affects your zoning game, and so forth. And yet again, because this cannot be emphasized enough, you must fight other players to get an idea for what you can and cannot get away with doing, finding players that will punish you for your mistakes and shirk from your advantages. The closest thing to a real challenge you'll find with AI is the Soku custom AI, and that will only carry you so far

TLDR: Study shit like lag time, what moves can be canceled into what, hit boxes, etc. It'll do you more good than just looking at some old-ass wiki, because it will give you a deeper understanding of the game mechanics. Before long, you'll be making your *own* combos

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 08:48:24 2010 No.4177311 What the fuck is a "dp"? I keep thinking about double penetration...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 08:53:24 2010 No.4177325 >>4177311 dragon punch. Usually a shoryuken-stlye move with invincibility frames on startup.

Anonymous Tue Jan 19 09:25:24 2010 No.4177391

>>4175204
>Don't tech into the corner.
Liar. The more directions you tech in, the more guesses your opponent has to make. What you want is 'don't tech the same way everytime.' You can even tech backwards while in the corner, throwing off the opponent's oki.

>border escapes
You hold down while pressing D to border up, and you want to be on the melee, not the bullets. After bullets come more melee, so if you be the bullets, he'll have already canceled them with a foot in your face.
What you want to do is border escape midscreen to avoid the corner in the first place. Some characters can catch any be attempts in any direction once you're in the corner (a good reisen).

>system cards
Bomb cards do not graze.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 19 09:30:24 2010 No.4177418 new >>4177415

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