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Dear /jp/ drawfag
Is your drawing is a result of talent or hardwork?

>> No.4161528

it's the result of copypasta

>> No.4161540

Without love, it cannot be drawn.

>> No.4161549

Draw your shit everyday until you like it

>> No.4161568

talent
Never seen anyone progressing drawing skill in my whole life

>> No.4161595

>>4161568
Hahaha, what?

>> No.4161598

>>4161568
>implying you know someone

>> No.4161599

>>4161568
I haven't seen it, either, but I don't know anyone who tries to draw.

>> No.4161601

>>4161568
>Never seen anyone in my whole life

>> No.4161607

>>4161568
There is a girl in my art class whose art looked like shit during the first year. It's been 3 years since then and she now draws better than anyone else in class.

>> No.4161621

>>4161607
pic or it didn't happen

>> No.4161626

>>4161568
not true, at least you can progress when you are talented

>> No.4161652

Up to a point, talent only dictates how easily and quickly you reach a certain level of quality.

>> No.4161655

All those manga and animes are lies
Talent will ALWAYS prevail over hardwork

>> No.4161662

Both. I've been drawing since I started elementary school, but seeing as how I picked up other art related things easily (like photography and calligraphy) I'd say I have some talent as well.

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>The Twenty-fifth Spirit is GlasyaLabolas He is a Mighty President and Earl, and showeth himself in the form of a Dog with Wings like a Gryphon. He teacheth all Arts and Sciences in an instant, and is an Author of
Bloodshed and Manslaughter.

Summon him, gain instant drawing talent.

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4161695

>The Twenty-fifth Spirit is GlasyaLabolas He is a Mighty President and Earl, and showeth himself in the form of a Dog with Wings like a Gryphon. He teacheth all Arts and Sciences in an instant, and is an Author of Bloodshed and Manslaughter.

Summon him, gain instant drawing talent.

>> No.4161703

>>4161695
How? I tried summoning a witch before but it didn't turn out very well.

>> No.4161710

Hard work and practice can make up for lack of talent, and vice versa

>> No.4161723

Talented people start from scrap just like anyone else.
They catch on very quick that's all, doesn't just apply to drawing.
A guy looks naturally skilled ? He just got better at the speed of a sprinting ethiopian while you were doing your best crawling on all four.

>> No.4161724

talent always win period.

>> No.4161726

Self-criticism is more important than either.

>> No.4161882

Is there any anon that start with hardwork to master drawing skill?

>> No.4161896

Anybody can draw, you just have to access the right side of your brain. Drawing is as easy to a human being as walking. That's why you see people who can draw awesome pictures on the fly. You have have to learn to use the right hemisphere of your brain, it's not a talent.

>> No.4161900

>>4161724
this

>> No.4161906

>>4161896
Hurp Durp, I don't know anything about the brain I just pretend to know. Drawing doesn't take any practice or talent or anything.

>> No.4161923

>>4161896
awesome in theory

>> No.4161924

>>4161882
Yes

>> No.4161926

ITT: jealousy

>> No.4161931

>>4161924
any link?

>> No.4161937

>>4161931
To what?

>> No.4161941

>>4161896
Oh yes, please sell me your eBooks on how to activate the right side of my brain.

>> No.4161953

>>4161937
to that hardworked anon

>> No.4161957

>>4161923
unpractical in reality

>> No.4161960

>>4161896
o rly?

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>>4161896

>> No.4161975

>>4161906
> I don't know anything about the brain I just pretend to know
Right, you're scared of things you do not understand, therefore, nobody else must.

>>4161941
You people think I'm kidding, but I'm not.

By the way, it's called "The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards

>> No.4161977

>>4161953
You lost me

>> No.4161988

>>4161975
Also, quick search on /rs/ turns up this

http://rapidshare.com/files/269453408/17395096-The-New-Drawing-on-the-Right-Side-of-the-Brain.pdf

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>>4161975
>oh yes, please sell me your eBooks
>sarcasm
>By the way, it's called "The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards
>serious

>> No.4161993

>>4161896
Looks like you got neither working

>> No.4161995
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4161995

One of the most interesting things that we see as we run across the country, teaching this fantastic method, is people continually say "I can't draw straight lines, I don't have the talent, Bob, to do what you're doing". That's baloney. Talent is a pursued interest. In other words, anything that you're willing to practice, you can do. And this is no exception. But it's like driving a car, at first it's a little difficult, you have to learn how to make your hands and foots work together. Same thing. And that's what we're trying to teach you here, is the technique. And once you have the technique down, all you need is the dream in your heart and the desire to put it on canvas.

>> No.4162003

>>4161990
>>4161993
ITT butthurt deviantartists who feel threatened that anybody can draw

>> No.4162016

>>4162003
Hahahaha, like a /jp/ drawfag would use that shit

>> No.4162029

>>4162003
Anbody can draw
But only some can create masterpiece

>> No.4162030
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>>4162016
> implying that /jp/ is pure and isn't filled with gaiafags

>> No.4162041

I kinda want to try getting good at drawing, just to see whether someone like me, a prime example of someone with absolutely no talent to start out with, can become good with nothing but hard work and guts. Don't have the time or dedication, though.

>> No.4162044

>>4162029
> implying the shit on pixiv or DA are masterpieces

>> No.4162053

>>4162016
you're right, /jp/ are the faggots on pixiv drawing stick figures and posting other people's single image artwork.

>> No.4162059

First and foremost, you must have the innate talent of not being stupid. Hardwork alone by stupid people gets them nowhere.

>> No.4162060

>>4162044
So anyone can draw porn of decent enough quality for people to appreciate it? Awesome.

>> No.4162062

>>4162044
In some I meant Picasso, Da vinci etc

>> No.4162068 [DELETED] 

lol drawing uses the right side of the brain. It's been proving you jealous lazy dumbfucks lol.

>> No.4162065

>>4162030
Cool reaction image, idiot

>> No.4162072

>>4162060
> implying people were born knowing how to draw porn

>> No.4162078
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4162078

>>4162068
>lazy dumbfucks
>implying learning to draw by practice is lazy, and learning to draw by mysticism isn't

>> No.4162083
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4162083

Look at /jp/ having a hissy fit because someone said anyone can learn to draw too.

>> No.4162089

>>4162068
>lol
>proving
Get the fuck out

>> No.4162091

>>4162078
> mysticism
This is actually what talentfags believe

>> No.4162095

Paint is an art
Nuff said

>> No.4162101

>>4162083
Pretty much summed up my opinions

>> No.4162105

>>4162091
Isn't it the opposite?

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4162108

> baawwww how dare people say you can actually practice and learn how to draw if you practice the right side of your brain. drawing should be about being born with talent

http://drawright.com/gallery.htm

>> No.4162111

>>4162091
Do you seriously believe magically making your brain work properly, like you couldn't use half of your brain before without TRAINING, has any basis in scientific fact?

I'm thinking you're just trolling.

>> No.4162124

>>4162108
cool story bro

>> No.4162127

>>4162108
Nobody said practice couldn't make you better, just that right side of the brain bullshit.

>> No.4162129

>>4162105
Haven't you been paying attention?

Talentfags believe they were born with a talent to draw. So they magically had the gift of drawing at birth.

Whereas others say you can train the right side of the brain, which is scientifically proven to be your creative brain.

>> No.4162135

>>4162129
Isn't the right side the one we use for almost EVERYTHING?

>> No.4162136

>>4162129
Ummm, no. There are three arguments here.

Argument 1 is talentfags - if you were born with the talent you can draw, otherwise get out.

Argument 2 is practicefags - if you practice enough you can learn to draw well.

Argument 3 is mysticfags - if you use new age brain training you can learn to draw without practice or talent.

>> No.4162140

>>4162127
> that right side of the brain bullshit

I have no interest in arguing with people who cannot accept scientific truths. No one is born talented, it can be learned.

>> No.4162143

Everything, including drawing, can be accomplished with hard work and practice. You lazy niggers probably wouldn't know anything about that. Take your goddamn touhou games for example. Nobody is innately good at that shit, you have ot practice your motherfucking ass off. This is especially true of fighting games. You are good after 2-400 hours. Imagine DRAWING for 2-400 fucking hours, you'll be at least decent by then.

>> No.4162144

>>4162136
Yeah

>> No.4162152

>>4162136
> implying that training your right side of the brain is not practice

>> No.4162157

>>4162143
THIS. Fucking christ.

>> No.4162165

>>4162152
Yes, you're absolutely right, doing brain exercises and sudoku is exactly the same as actually fucking practicing drawing.

>> No.4162167

>>4162136
OMG, SOMEBODY SAID THE WORD "BRAIN"?!

IT MUST BE SOME NEW AGE HIPPIE MAGIC.

Protip: When artists practice their drawing skills, THEY ARE IN FACT TRAINING THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BRAIN.

Arguments 2 and 3 are the exact same shit.

>> No.4162170

>>4162140
Scientific truths? There's no prove of this! Brain activity on some sectors while drawing or something doesn't mean it depends on it

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4162174

Sure is trollfest here

>> No.4162180

Here's the deal: We are not born with any ability to draw. It's not a natural or instinctual thing, like eating and having sex, so no one knows how to draw from the moment they come out of their mother's womb. How can some people then have a talent for drawing, when it's definitely a learned skill? They learn the skill faster. That's all talent is in most context, having a brain that absorbs certain things faster than the average brain. So yes, anyone (without some brain damage or other handicap) can learn how to draw, assuming they have the time to make up for any lack of learning speed.

>> No.4162183

While I believe it to be black magic voodoo, I might try that right side of the brain stuff. At best, it'll help my talentless ass (even if it's only an illusion that makes me practice more), and at worst, I waste some of my already worthless time.

>> No.4162192

>>4162170
Because you refuse to accept that there is a science behind artistic ability.

Why are you so goddamn stubborn? Everything that a human does has science behind it. And the right side of the brain being the artistic center of the brain has been proven as such.

Artistic ability isn't some magic voodoo that no one understands as you think it is.

>> No.4162199

>>4162167
So you're saying that there is no such thing as skills (which are, in fact, housed in the cerebellum as I recall) but only magical nerve ending magic in the right side of the brain that actually knows how to draw perfectly already, you just have to activate it?

You think activating your secret innate drawing powers using several low-effort techniques from expensive self-help book peddlers is the same as practicing drawing and learning anatomy and learning to actually fucking draw?

I pity you.

>> No.4162203

>>4162192
Why don't you just show me the articles supporting those ideas and shut me up, huh?

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4162206

ITT people coming to the realization that over the thousands of years of human history, people have actually figured out how people learn to do things, including drawing

>> No.4162213

>>4162199
It's indeed easier to believe in magic rather than doing some actual hard work on practicing.

>> No.4162225

>>4162199
> activating

It's not a "single button push" solution. You have to practice.

Seriously, you're just freaking the fuck out because someone mentioned the word "right side of the brain" and you dismiss it without any reason just because it sounds "new age" to you.

>> No.4162233

>>4162213
> thinks "right side of the brain" = "magic"

>> No.4162236

Have you faggots even looked at Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain? What the fuck "MAGIC" "VOODOO" Jesus Christ fucking hell

It stresses how important hardwork is.

>> No.4162237

>>4162203
uh oh, someone doesn't know a damn thing about lateralization of the brain.

>> No.4162249

Okay, let's do this shit scientifically.

Someone get a drawfag in here who learned to draw via new age gimmicks rather than by actually learning to draw and show us his work.

>> No.4162250

>>4162236
take your witchcraft elsewhere, heretic

>> No.4162254

>>4162250

:(

>> No.4162255

>>4162236
This. I am confused why people are equating the "right side of the brain" training to a magical pill of sorts. Nobody ever said anything about not practicing.

>> No.4162268

>>4162254
Get out DotRSotB devs.

>> No.4162270

>>4162249
It's not a new age gimmick, it's what artists have been doing since the dawn of time.

It just happens that someone has actually too the time to study it and write it down. Nothing has changed. Also, did you even look at that ebook? No, of course you didn't, you're just spouting shit without knowing what you are arguing against.

>> No.4162275

>>4162249
agreed
needs a system to record our drawing skill progress though

>> No.4162276

There's a concept artist at work who doodles stuff in meetings better than I could draw in a week. I simultaneously felt impressed and like I had been punched in the stomach.

>> No.4162278

>>4162237
Cool proof bro

>> No.4162283

>>4162275
I've got a better idea, read the first few pages of >>4161988 and report back with your findings.

>> No.4162294

There is no one in this thread who is claiming that you can learn to draw without practising drawing.

Training the right side of your brain makes you better at learning drawing, it doesn't teach you to draw.

>> No.4162304

I'd say, hardwork and luck. cuz mood strikes when you least expected at wrong place and time.

>> No.4162314

I certainly hope Jones isn't the one sponsoring this bullshit

>> No.4162320

I use the reverse of Talent. Which is to lower my expectations of how things should look.

>> No.4162323

>>4162283
>Unfortunately right now our servers are overloaded and we have no more download slots left for non-members. Of course you can also try again later.

>> No.4162328

>>4162278
> You have two brains: a left and a right. Modern brain scientists now know that your left brain is your verbal and rational brain; it thinks serially and reduces its thoughts to numbers, letters, and words Your right brain is your non-verbal and intuitive brain; it thinks in patterns, or pictures, composed of 'whole things,' and does not comprehend reductions, either numbers, letters, or words.

The Fabric of Mind, by the eminent scientist and neurosurgeon Richard Bergland.
New York: Viking Penguin, Inc., 1985, p. 1.

>> No.4162339

>>4162276
Also, continuing this. I actually know a lot of people who consider themselves artists and I've heard a few of them say this "natural talent" or "a gift they given." It's always the fairly average ones, the type who do deviantart commissions. The really good artists don't have some bizarrely self-depreciating hubris around why they can draw, and are always the ones who draw outside of work, enjoy it, study anatomy, go to classes, life-drawing events, etc. It seems like the former are kind of worried that their fairly low power levels of artistic ability are easy to match so discourage everyone else by suggesting it’s some kind of inherent, latent ability you can’t tap into, or at least not as well, because you're not special.

>> No.4162341

>>4162323
I'll upload it to megaupload

>> No.4162342

>>4162328
Why the fuck would I want to train my right side then? fuck you

>> No.4162345
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>>4162328
>You have two brains:

>> No.4162354

>>4162345
Am I being trolled? Or do you really don't believe your brain is split into two hemispheres?

IHBT

>> No.4162355

>>4162341
Mediafire, MEDIAFIRE!

>> No.4162364

>>4162354
He means it would be better to say the brain is divided rather than saying you have 2 brains like some sort of super evolved animal

>> No.4162372

>100 posts and 10 image replies omitted.
/jp/ - Artwork

>> No.4162382

>>4162364
What the fuck are you talking about?

I didn't say that, I am quoting Richard Bergland, an eminent scientist and neurosurgeon. Please read the post.

>> No.4162389

ZUN is proof that you can get a long way without talent.

>> No.4162392

>>4162355
Sorrry, I already put it on MU

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M5WJ1ZO8

You can't access MU?

>> No.4162400

>>4162389
What are you talking about?
His art is degrading
Remember when ZUNart is good?

>> No.4162403

>>4162392
No

>> No.4162423

>>4162382
That post never implied that you were the original source of that text.

Stop being so defensive, Anon.

>> No.4162427

>>4162364
>>4162345
You two must be really fucking stupid not to know that he isn't literally talking about two full-size brains.

>> No.4162435

>>4162423
The source is clearly listed in my post. The book, the author, the publisher, the year published, and the page number.

>> No.4162447

>>4162427
>it would be better to say
Read motherfucker, READ

>> No.4162455

>>4162339
I think it's also that if you get complimented too much and start believing you have a talent for it (which might very well be true), you stop wanting to work hard. Sometimes people get a really long way with hard work simply because they're made painfully aware that they really suck, and thus feel the need to do something about it

Overall, it's important to not get delusional, to simply forget about pride and humility, and instead be realistic about your abilities and how to improve them. Realize what you need to improve instead of just saying you suck, and praise yourself instead of pretending it wasn't so hard if you do well, so you in both situation want to work harder. Regardless of the reason, when you lose your will to improve, you lose. And that's all there is to it.

>> No.4162460

>>4162403
http://www.mediafire.com/?gm5zqmamwrx

>> No.4162477

>>4162460
Alright, my thanks to you

>> No.4162492

>>4162435

Let's try this again.

That post (the one YOU quoted, reiterating the fact that you were quoting Richard Bergland) never implied that you were not quoting Richard Bergland.

Oh, wait, I'm just being trolled. Nevermind.

>> No.4162493

I prayed to god really hard for for the ability to draw well. That's how I got good.

>> No.4162523

>>4162493
That only gets you mediocre skills. You need to sell your soul to the devil, and ask to become the best artist in the world.

>> No.4162550

Practice.
Don't feel like practicing?
Give up.
Simple as that.

>> No.4162562

>>4162523
THIS, I did the God thing and I suck! fuck you God

>> No.4164321

>>4161522 to >>4162562
wtf did i just read?

>> No.4164332

>>4164321
This thread.

>> No.4164432

>>4161522
The drawfag behind the black lantern touhous here. I've been drawing since I was a kid and I'm still not good at it, >>4161655 holds true. Or I just suck at it.

>> No.4164461

Learning.

>> No.4164512
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It's really rare for a person to have insane ball-busting natural talent. It's one of the prizes from winning the genetic lottery. Most people get to their high level of skill through their own hard work. But the reason you're not getting better at whatever you're studying is because:

a) You're practicing wrong.
b) You're not practicing enough.

I mean hell, most of you are in school. You should know what proper study techniques are. Read your books, do the problems in the books, study more than once per week, etc.

tl;dr Bob Ross was a wise man. >>4161995

>> No.4164620

>>4161926
this

>> No.4164635

>>4164321
/jp/ whines

>> No.4164644

01/17/10(Sun)10:10 to 01/17/10(Sun)19:59
The fuck?

>> No.4164710

>>4162174
Damn I think I miss it

>> No.4164723

Oh wow, this thread is still alive?

>> No.4164894

A+++++ thread guys, seriously.

>> No.4164926
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I'll keep bumping it until this thread reach bump limit

>> No.4164937

both nigga.

>> No.4164949

I have no drawing ability; how should I start working to fix that?

>> No.4165908

>>4164949
fap

>> No.4165939

There is no such thing as talent. All good artists spent years practicing. Their skill is the result of that hard work.

>> No.4165948

>>4165939
No matter how hard you practice, some people can just draw a straight line better.
You need hard work in order to be a good artist, but only that is never enough, lest nobody would ever stand out.

>> No.4165965

>>4165948
>some people can just draw a straight line better

I don't think you understand how drawing works. At all. Very rarely is the the finer skill of an artist that makes them stand out, but rather the style and creativity, i.e. the type of ideas they produce and how they choose to express those ideas that make them stand above the rest.

Anyone can draw, and many people can draw well. Of them, how many can use those skills in a meaningful manner?

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4166036

Fuck it
Let's all just play Knytt

>> No.4166048

>>4165965
Dude, do not even touch creativity, that's a whole different fruit.

>> No.4166076

I used to relatively suck a lot, I still do, but It's quite bearable now. What I could feel was that every drawing was better than the last, as if you gained experience points for each depending on the effort you put on them.

>> No.4166078

Never think you are good; otherwise, you will not improve.

>> No.4166085

>>4166048

No, no it's not. In every artistic field, creativity plays an overwhelmingly large role. To ignore it would be foolish, and indeed the greatest artists of our time are great not only because of their adeptness in drawing, but also their ability to think freely and explore ideas that have yet to be explored. However, we're getting a bit besides the point here, if you just want to be able to draw, and nothing else, then it is a feat easily accomplished by years of hard work and dedication. If you want to be more than a good artist, then you will have to learn to use your mind, and not just your hands.

>> No.4166087

>>4166076
Post some of your old pictures
Post some of your recent picture

>> No.4166097
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4166097

About 3 years worth of off-and-on practice. I never had any outstanding natural talent to begin with. Just the desire to eventually be able to draw my own porn.

>> No.4166106

>>4166087
God no, I've been in quite a few drawing threads, that's all you need to know.

>> No.4166118

>>4166085
I am not saying to ignore it you faggot.
But it's a different issue.
It's one thing to have the ideas, and another to put them in paper.
And hard work alone does not help you do it well.

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4166132

>>4166097
>WRPG on the left
>JRPG on the right

>> No.4166139

>>4166118
>And hard work alone does not help you do it well.

Of course, you have to be smart about how you practice. Do the things you find difficult to do, and practice them religiously. Be highly critical of your own work and always let other people critique it for you. Never be satisfied with your drawing aiblity, least you get to comfortable.

I have never, in my life, heard of or seen an artist who didn't need ungodly amounts of practice to achieve their drawing skills. Please don't waste your time trying to prove otherwise.

>> No.4166161

>>4166097
That's awesome

>> No.4166189

>>4166097
Post your porn then

>> No.4166195

>>4166132

He still thinks they're different genres like /v/ and even uses green text.

>> No.4166206

>01/17/10
>01/18/10
>Fascinating

>> No.4166216

>>4166195

They're not different genres, they're different setups of the same genre.

>> No.4166221

>>4166206

Dude, we've had a Rika thread last TWO WEEKS. One day is absolutely nothing in /jp/ territory.

>> No.4166237

>>4166139
...You really, really miss the point.
Practice is needed, and people improve.
How much you have to practice and how fast that happens, different from person to person.
Same for pretty much all arts. Some people would need a lifetime to achieve what people do in a couple years. Feel free to believe otherwise.

>> No.4166261

That Right Brain book seems interesting, but does anyone have a better book for learning basic art before I invest much time reading/using it?

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4166276

>>4166189
Ask and ye shall receive. I remember being so proud of these older drawings when I did them, too. Haha!

>> No.4166286

I started drawing at age 24 because I wanted to draw my own porn. Everything I drew in the first 3 years are so embarrassingly bad I had to burn them.

>> No.4166307

The best way to improve your drawing skills is to keep around a small sketchbook and draw whatever comes to mind.

Eventually you'll get the hang of basic shapes, dimensions, perspectives, etc. especially while observing other people and things.

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line art here,
hard work, still practicing.

>> No.4166372

>>4166276
Dat ass.

>>4166307
It's like I'm really Leonardo da Vinci except I'm drawing pictures of detailed breasts and loli butts instead of detailed biology and engineering sketches.

>> No.4166418

Really, the thing I took from the Right Side of the Brain book is that kids give up their doodling and drawing because they can't get things to look realistic and just give up and develop this mystical idea that drawing is some innate talent that some people can do and other people (themselves) cannot. All you really have to have to draw well is determination and a willingness to push through that stage where your drawings just suck ass and not give up.

Just practice until your fingers bleed.

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Why the FUCK are you morons gibbering on about how the books is some new age trend? It was published in Nineteen SEVENTY FUCKING NINE. God damn it /jp/. What the fuck is wrong with some of you?

>> No.4166430

>>4166421
None of the people babbling that jibber jabber actually followed the rapidshare link to that book. They just thought "Training to become good at drawing? Blasphemy, if I can't draw good right away, it must be some genetic inborn talent."

>> No.4166441

If I ever manage to draw a decent realistic face, I am sticking a touhou hat on it.

>> No.4166472

>>4166441
Oh god the shame, i do this too often.

>> No.4166515

Talent and practice.

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>>4166085
>easily accomplished by years of hard work and dedication
This is pretty self-contradictory, it would be more accurate to say "simply" instead of "easily".

Picture related to my progression/regression. Ref used for shiba and mouse.

>> No.4166779

>>4166772
Oh shit, I loved that owl picture! I'm sure it's still saved on my hdd somewhere. You are awesome.

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Hard work will take you farther than talent ever could.

I rest my case.

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Talent takes you very far in drawing, much farther than in almost any other field, I think.

Practice helps immensely, combine practice and talent and you get your next master artist, not too difficult folks.

Oh, and no, you can't overcome talent barriers with practice. Those are child's tales.

>> No.4166838

>>4166817
You're dead wrong. Drawing technique can definitely be learned. Show me an artist who hasn't improved after serious study, and we'll probably find out that he's a webcomic artist.

>> No.4166907

Well, I skimmed trough the whole thing and gotta say most of the stuff in there are things I've learned with practice.

>> No.4167214

>>4166817
>>4166838
Talent + Hardwork > Hardwork

>> No.4167265

>>4166276
I fapped to this

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>>4167214
Talent plays at most a minor role. I'd say the other way around is more likely - if you're severely brain damaged or lost your dominant hand in an accident you have a lot to compensate for.

For healthy people just getting the right influences and practice are the most important factors.

>> No.4167632

Read ouliers
It's the answer for your question

>> No.4167691

>Implying you need talent to draw manga

>> No.4167725

Art Studies Fag here. Talent is a big factor, but doesn't help you if you don't have the technique. When it comes to talent in art, it is more about feeling for composition, color etc. which, btw, can be learned just as the drawing technique can be learned. It's just harder for people without talent

>>4167691
also this

>> No.4167728

practice for a long time, since i liked 2d more than 3d ever since i remember and wanted to make porn of it.

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>>4167481
Little white dogs are the best. :3

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Been practicing for 10 years. Hard work pays off. I could only draw stick figures back then. I can draw better stick figures now, and I can even draw touhou hats on them.

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>>4167800
So true.

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>>4167800
So true.

>> No.4168047

IGNORE EVERYTHING SAID BEFORE

MY TALENT IS DUE TO MY SUPERIOR GENES, I WAS SIMPLY BORN BETTER THAN YOU

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I tried sketching one hour a day.
I lasted two days.
Mom always said I'd be a quitter.

>> No.4168073

>>4168047
SEIG FUHRER

>> No.4168097

I'd post that conceptart thread where this guy started out with drawing sloppy cylinders for practice and kept posting new stuff for years. In the end, he was able to produce really beautiful classical style paintings. But I can't find the link right now.

>> No.4168132

>>4168097

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=870

found it.

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>Hard work and practice can make up for lack of talent

>> No.4168237

>>4168132
Look at his first post
He's already good at it

>> No.4168281

>>4168132
not really impressive
I'm looking for a total noob to a master

>> No.4168470

>>4168237
No he isn't, he's worse than several /jp/fags. THAT'S TERRIBLE.
>>4168281
You're not going to find a noob-to-master story better than that one - if that's not good enough for you, don't even bother getting started with art.

>> No.4168828

>>4166132
do not use her image in vain

>> No.4168984

>>4166132
Well, I snickered. Fuck you for making me smile on /jp/

>> No.4169035

>>4166132
Who is she?

>> No.4169302

Oh man, you guys are still going at it?

It's amazing how controversial this subject seems to be on /jp/.

>> No.4169427

Regular manga artists get good with only time. Read the first and the last chapter of any long-running manga and you will see.

>> No.4169444

Fuck, will you all get over this already!

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>> No.4169875

This must be the worst draw thread on /jp/ I've ever seen.

As for my opinion, it's way better to be a person with no talent who works hard, than someone with a bit of talent but incurably lazy. I'm the latter, of course, so it took me 8 years to reach a point in drawing other people can do in 2-3 years.

>> No.4170548

Without talent you'll never be a genius, but you can be very good with just hard work, and probably better than someone who's just floundering along with talent like previous poster said. I'm slightly talented myself, and I can say that always made my lazy as fuck about practising drawing. Heck, I haven't drawn seriously for 2 years now even though I could've had something awesome going on and feel good about actually creating something myself.

>> No.4170562

Jesus christ OP stop bumping this thread.

>> No.4170758

As I see it, artistic talent plays the same role in drawing as intellectual giftedness plays in becoming "smart"

It determines how fast you will pick up concepts and can make things a lot easier, but it doesn't really determine how far you can go.

Sort of the same way you can be intellectually "gifted" but if you never read a book and never attend school, you'll still be a retard.

Creativity and inspiration are also important, but are mostly external.

>> No.4170770

>>4170562
>>4169875
>>4169444
samefag

Yes, how dare /jp/ have a discussion that doesn't boil down to "UR A FAGET KoG" "weeaboos xD" or "LOL U R JONES"

>> No.4170808

>>4170770
get out ks dev

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