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So /jp/, how did you learn your Hiragana?

>> No.415114

I didn't.

>> No.415128

Still am.

>> No.415131

あ - antenna
い - last two i's in Hawaii
う - granny going "uuu"
え - I dont really remember, this one stuck without needing any pictures
お - a hOle in one

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So that's what that was about.

>> No.415148

ふ
picture of mount _Fu_ji with lava flowing down.

>> No.415150

I remember my teacher had one for "ka" which was a granny bending over and a about to fly into her ass.

>> No.415151

flash cards.

>> No.415158

practice.

thankfully this is kana, so it took me about 2 hours.

>> No.415163

>>415109
me is a sheep, goes mehh mehh

>> No.415167

>>415151
Yup. I took Japanese during college. You know, when teachers stop caring if you understand anything.

>> No.415170

choose a character. write it out 30 times

repeat until all are memorized

>> No.415181

i found memorizing kanji easier than hiragana

The characters are easier to make pictures out of.

>> No.415185

shi - sitting on a cliff fishing for sheep in the valley below

I learned them all with Heisig about a month ago, but I haven't reviewed since then, so I forgot many of them.

>> No.415190

Grinding moon XP. I didn't use any cute memory aids. I just wasted some paper and was done with it.

>> No.415212

The same way I learned my Cyrillic. Start by memorizing one word. Now come up with another word that is written using all or some of the kana from that word, but also others. Say it and write it a few times. It will help you memorize the kana. Now find *another* word that uses *those* kana plus different ones. Same process.

This is more effective then simply writing things out repeatedly, as a way to get those associations in your head. I pretty much had everything down in a couple days. But the only way to really memorize a writing system is to use it a lot, so that it becomes "natural." So in your studies, avoid taking notes in romaji, but rather take the time to write things out as much as possible. Soon kana will be "natural" to you.

>> No.415226

Speaking of kana, which system are you better with? Hiragana or Katakana?

>> No.415227

>>415226
MANYOGANA, BITCH!

>> No.415233

>>415185
I had that one as: "shi" sounds like "shin", which means "death". The character for "shi" looks like a scythe which is what the Grim Reaper aka Death uses. It sounds tenuous when I write it down but it instantly made sense when I saw the "shi" character.

Also, "tsu" looks like a "tsunami".

>> No.415246

>>415212
I don't see why anyone would need an aid to understand Cyrillic.

>> No.415258

>>415246
If you have never read cyrillic before, how do you know which letters correspond to which sounds? There are even a few letters that look the same as roman lettering, but have different sounds.

You have to start from scratch at some point.

>> No.415266

>>415233
>"shi" sounds like "shi", which means "death"

fixed that for you.

>> No.415275

Learned in 3 days, now go study kanji.

>> No.415282

>>415109

Practiced them, flash cards were helpful and so was writing them out.

>> No.415283

Flashcards. Brute force memorization by flashcards can help you memorize all hiragana within a few hours. Helps alot if you take time to try to recognize hiragana from bits of japanese text

>> No.415284

>>415258
A table that tells you what letter makes what sound isn't what I'd call an "aid." Neither would a section in a textbook listing out each set of letters be an aid.

The only letter that doesn't make the same sound as the identical Latin letter is P (that I recall), which makes sense when you realize it's actually rho, Cyrillic being based more on Greek than Latin.

>> No.415293

>>415284
And X and y, though both are largely superfluous in English. And H, which actually is different.

>> No.415338

>>415266
WHAT

>> No.415340

flash cards, writing etc.

I'm currently taking a class for this stuff so that helped a lot as well.

>> No.415345

Took notes in romanji for a few classes. Copied them over in hiragana.

Katakana I picked up as I came across it.

I'm a quick learner, so it probably took me a week or so. The only katakana I can't really recognize on sight is shit like wo, the ones that don't really get used.

On a related note, how does /jp/ memorize kanji? I memorize by radical, my friend memorizes by stroke order. I don't really get how stroke order works, but they're pretty good at it.

>> No.415346

I can't wait until I can play h-games without a translation.

>> No.415351

>>415345
Stroke order. It's just writing it over and over and over again until you memorize it.

>> No.415356

...whats Hiragana.

>> No.415367

>>415351

I still find it easier to think of, like...　機　（き, machine, ie コーピー機）as "tree and ji" (the bit on the right = ji in Chinese) instead of "first this line, then this line, then this line, then this line..."

I guess it's just one of those things that I won't get.

>> No.415369

This thread inspire me to learn moonspeak, however
>hiragana_chart0006
can I has the other 5? (or 9994, since I see many 0's there)

>> No.415375

ke = zergling claws

>> No.415378

>>415369

Googled "hiragana chart", third image was OP's chart.

http://www.wodonga-ps.vic.edu.au/lote/LOTE%20webpage/Resources/resources.htm

>> No.415393

>>415367
It's one of those where it sounds like the word, so they add a radical to it.

幾 = ji 3. 機 = ji 1. I assume back then the machines were made of wood.

>> No.415412

Flashcards too.
The ones by White Rabbit Press.

>> No.415413

>>415393

Yeah, I take my time learning that kind of stuff now that I'm far enough along to take the leisure.

And now that I think about it, I originally learned some by stroke order. At first, 以 just looked like a bunch of lines thrown together to me, so I had to learn it by repetition... So I get where you're coming from, but I recommend taking the time to learn the radicals. I find it a lot easier to memorize them now vs. when I had to repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.

>> No.415435

>>415412
Really? Why not buy a pack of $1 index cards and make them on your own from one of the hiragana tables found on the internet?

>> No.415449

>>415435

Actually, the White Rabbit press kanji cards are really, really good.

And before you say, "Why not buy index cards and make those?" think about the prospect of making, say... ~1100 flash cards for JLPT Lv2.

>> No.415454

>>415449 again

Don't waste your money on the kana cards though, shit's so easy to learn it's ridiculous.

>> No.415473

>>415449
Making them yourself will help you learn.

>> No.415481

>>415473

My study partner made all hers.

Wrote the kanji on the front of the card, pasted some printed shit out on the back.

I'm way better than her at kanji and I bought the White Rabbit press cards for studying.

... granted, I also fill up little sketchbooks (3.5x5, the really little ones) with compounds and shit. The Taipan Software web site has probably helped me more in the long run than the White Rabbit Press flash cards.

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>> No.415577

Ah, the one thing I miss most about my old Japanese teacher: Cute little Japanese charts/videos.

>> No.415608

If you need to remember a pictogram mnemonic thing in order to write and recognise these easy as piss things, then you should just quit now,

>> No.415611

>>415608

Some of the people in my Japanese class who picked up the grammar the easiest picked up kana the slowest.

>> No.415677

>>415393

Yeah, I always take the time to try and break them down into components. For example

相 is そう
想 is also そう, but with a "heart" radical
箱 too, but with a "bamboo" radical Meaning: box
and 霜, with a "rain, weather" radical Meaning: frost

>> No.415699

>>415677

Heh, it was actually the rain radical that clued me into remembering kanji like I do...

We learned 雨 in one chapter and a few chapters later, 雪 popped up. Then I saw 首/道, looked into it some, and I went from there. Didn't quite get "movement + neck, wtf?" at first.

>> No.415723

I didn't learn Hiragana. I learned Hangul, which is a thousand times easier to read than hiragana/kana

>> No.415737

>>415723

Korea is a wannabe country. Nobody gives a shit about it, so shut the fuck up.

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415746

I upgraded your hiragana chart.

>> No.415838

BTW it's enpitsu, not empitsu.

>> No.415844

>>415746
Fukken saved

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Without transparent arm. lol

>> No.415860

Needs more we

>> No.415861

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/nihongo/index.html

If you use this website then be careful not to fuck up your stroke order.

>> No.415887

>>415860

ゐゑ
ヰヱ

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Improved

>> No.415922

>>415903

2 done, 48 to go.

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>>415903
oh.

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>>415939

what

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416821

hai guyz

>> No.416828

I just kept writing them.

>> No.416829

>>416821

I see fail.

>> No.416842

ヒ is a bus driver.

>> No.416846

>>416842

That bus driver looks suspiciously like the katakana syllable 'hi' to me.

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416857

Am I doin it rite?

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So /jp/, how did you learn your Alphabet?

>> No.416866

>>416859
by killing people

>> No.416868

>>416859
Gradually.

>> No.416871

>>416859
Letter people. Along with those books.

>> No.416874

hiragana chart @ wikibooks

BOO YA

>> No.416875

>>416859

Repetition. Repetition. Repetition.

>> No.416914

I learned most of them from familiar words/particles. That's why I suck at katakana.

I hate learning from stories or pictures. If I need a mnemonic I'll come up with my own.

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I use this.
http://www.dragonmedia.us/programs/kana.php?login=JA2342segsr4545swfde_243s

>> No.417021

Rote motherfuckin' memorisation

>> No.417039

>>415131
>antenna
you're doing it wrong.
my of an ah sounds than an Anne sound.

>> No.417067

Heising.

Or whatever it was called. Worked greath, though. Maybe one day I'll learn the Kanji the same way.

>> No.417074

kana was easy. i just used repetition on scratch paper during class over about a month until i learned them all.

>> No.417107

I like reading these children's hiragana wallcharts. They make me feel all fuzzy and warm.

>> No.417118

>>416998
holy shit this is awesome

>> No.417129

>>417118
Yea. It even has a text box so you can type out the kana instead of associating the kana with a position in the chart!

>> No.417142

mnemonics might help you get started, but practice will make them stick. write them until you can do it in your sleep. make your own flashcards, cheaper and good practice.

and you might want to learn katakana first because that's how it's done on the moon.

>> No.417148

from hentai doujinshi
いやああ　and　やめて were probably the first words I decrypted

>> No.417149

>and you might want to learn katakana first because that's how it's done on the moon.
i thought they learn Hiragana first, wikipedia agreed

>> No.417469

>>417149
>wikipedia agreed
>wikipedia

well, there's your problem right there.

do it anyway. you will have an easier time remembering the one you learn first. and since you'll be using hiragana all the fucking time, as opposed to katakana, it's not like you'll have a chance to forget any of it.

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