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[Anonymous No.]

Oh man, they're at it again. Explaining so simple for such long time. And Hempel's paradox is thousands times deeper than that, why do you have to be so shallow, r07?

[Anonymous No.]

Hempel's raven isn't handled very well, but thankfully it barely ever comes up.

It's just an excuse for more DEVIL'S PROOFIN

[Anonymous No.]

He thinks his DID MEIDO is a good twist.
Don't expect good writing from him.

[Anonymous No.]

He's too busy slopping together corny love scenes to fact check.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101453
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[Anonymous No.]

>>4101454
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[Anonymous No.]

>>4101477

Who ever said anything about a DID maid? Why the fuck everybody assumes, if they ever go with the theory that Shannon is Beatrice, that she has multiple personalities? Maybe she pretended to be Beatrice? Like, planned? Made a conscious effort to fool Kinzo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101603
Yeah, and the ONLY person who EVER brings up multiple personas is Moon-chan, anyways. This DID thing is kinda silly.

[Anonymous No.]

This one doesn't even make sense...

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>4101804

Socrates wept.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't even mind it, it's not even used again, just for the fact: if the 19th person doesn't exist, the culprit is one of the 18, that's all

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101456
It's the common issue of people using applications of things they do not really understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>101818
Hempel's raven.
I am smart.
Therefore, you are dumb, as is everyone else in the world except me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101833
If you're trolling, see picture.

Otherwise you're a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101804
makes perfect sense to me.

if i assign theoretical numerical values to intelligence and (for this example) know for a fact that my value is 100 and know for a fact that no one else can achieve that high of a value, blah blah blah

of course there is no such absolute numerical value for intelligence in real life, since we have to start asking "intelligent with regards to what" "relative to who" "how do we even define intelligence" etc.

but the scene itself is simply an "if" scenario, and it holds true.

[Anonymous No.]

>complaining that it should be an simple explanation
>also saying that it is thousands times deeper than the explanation
You are fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101863
> know for a fact that my value is 100
You get this from 'I am wise', okay, no problem here.

> know for a fact that no one else can achieve that high of a value
This one you pulled out of your ass. It's not mentioned anywhere in this scene and the scene doesn't make any sense without this assumption.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101840
I was doing neither. It was satire of R07's explanation. I meant no offense to you, trolling or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101874
it is a given for beato's statement

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101867
I forgot a word when typing, "Explaining _something_ so simple for such long time.". Maybe that was what caused confusion.

Explanation of what they're talking about (!A, A&B <=> !A, B) should be shorter. But they're not talking about Hempel's paradox at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101877
Sorry for replying so aggressively then, I am always like this when discussion is about logic.

I don't get the joke though...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101890
No it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101909
Yes it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101946
No, it's not a given, it's something too serious to be a given.

[Anonymous No.]

No...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103046
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah I wasn't impressed when they brought up Hempel's raven.

I don't think R07 understood what the raven paradox is really about... but hey, at least he tried, I guess?

I mean he really could have just done well with the definition of "contrapositive" but he tried to drag a logical paradox in there to make it sound fancy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103063
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103074
I don't blame him. I've looked it up several times and still don't get it exactly. Like why it's a paradox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103083
It's paradox because it shows a case where induction, something we should think would work, clearly does not.

Hempel's paradox is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103083
It's pretty simple once you peel away the layers of fancy language. It's an illustration of the problem of inductive logic (you can look that up yourself if you're curious)

It goes something like this:

1) Ravens are black (raven = black)

2) If it's not black it's not a raven (not black = not raven)

3) I have a pet raven that is black (proof that raven = black)

4) I have a green object. It's an apple, so it's not a raven. ("proof" that not black = not raven)

The problem here is that obviously we could discover a rare breed of green ravens tomorrow and it completely invalidates this type of thinking.

This is a pretty watered down version, you'd be best served by mulling it over yourself until you understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103138
I can't decide if you are a troll or just have even less clue about hempel than r07.

In any case, if someone is interested in it, you should read wikipedia page and not that blasphemy I quoted in the beginning of my post.

[Anonymous No.]

R07 does a really piss-poor job of explaining Hempel's Raven. Had to look it up to actually understand it.

I wonder if he's ever taken a logic course before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103161

you are an idiot.

>>4103138 is right.

even though the apple has nothing to do with a raven, it still further validates the "raven = black" theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103217 even though the apple has nothing to do with a raven, it still further validates the "raven = black" theory.
Yes!

Even though >>4103138 magnificently did not explain that!

There's not a word in his post about how, by induction, seeing green apples should make you believe more that all ravens are black. Have you even read it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103138
So.....Hempel's Raven is basically describing the attempt to use detuctuve logic by those who are ignorant of some variables?

If I had already verified every possible variable of whatever it was I was trying to use deductive reasoning on, it would no longer be a paradox? Is this the sort of light-weight bullshit R07 is trying to foist off on my poor brain to make me call him a pretentious joker?

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is so entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103241
Calm down, bro. I think you're getting a little worked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103252
I'm not the one calling others idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

Look at the wikipedia article -- it's an algebra problem, not a logic one. Which fits, because R07 keeps trying to turn the mystery into a math puzzle which is incredibly annoying. He should just stick to love stories.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103271
>He should just stick to love stories.
OH GOD NO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103271
Sticking to the love stories would only make the whole thing even shittier.
R07 can't do romance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103291
It seems that he can't do anything

[MolesterJim No.]

>>4103301
He can use the same blue-haired girl in a variety of roles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103301
He can make retarded character designs.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh is this "ryu 07 shit is really shitty" thread? Like "Type Moon shit is really shitty" thread and "Touho shit is really shitty" thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101603
>Why the fuck everybody assumes, if they ever go with the theory that Shannon is Beatrice, that she has multiple personalities?

Because that's what makes the most sense (leaving aside how DID actually works). We've seen Shannon and Kanon have conversations with each other, and they have different (almost opposite) personalities. Beatrice is also quite different from Shannon and Kanon.

Saying she was just disguising herself really makes little to no sense. Sure, the DID deal makes barely any sense on itself, but makes more sense than just Shannon posing as Kanon and/or Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103328
Not to mention they are all treated like completely different individuals in EP6, all involved in different romances.

Shannon is in love with George, not Battler. Kanon is in love with Jessica, not George. Beatrice is in love with Battler, not Jessica.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103291
>R07 can't do romance.
Hey, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103338
Yet for some reason of those three couples, there can only be one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103338
Oh maybe none of them exist lol. They are all imaginary friend of the cousins, like everyone in umineko love to have imaginary friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103368
In the end, Maria was the only one who was sane.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103381
That would be hardcore trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103271
>Look at the wikipedia article -- it's an algebra problem, not a logic one.

WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING. Seriously, everyone in this thread should at least learn a bit about logic, especially symbolic logic. I took a course on it in college and it was one of the most interesting courses I've taken, and I usually hate philosophy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103317
So has anyone figured out which one of them is the guy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103393
Both are guys, and they'll fuck your ass like if thete's no tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103402
>like if thete's no tomorrow
wat

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103392

What? I fucking hated my logic course. Natural deduction was a bitch, Hoare Logic was retarded, Sequent Calculus was extra-stupid, and it only got better when we started dealing with Turing machines, which actually made sense.

Then we went to lambda calculus, which was retarded again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103393
solomon's key says Zepar, but Gaap was also a guy in it. So, just imagine one of them has the thing and you're fine, you can even alternate it
Ryu is able to troll about it, you know

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103412
>thete
there

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103356
Obviously, because the three - despite being different individuals - share the same body. So only one personality can survive in the end.

You can't have Shannon taking over the body and fucking George, then Beatrice taking over and fucking Battler 5 minutes later. Real life doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103327
Sometimes shit is just shit because it is.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread needs more Kinzo

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103419
In episode 6 though, their genders are opposite to each other. It's just never made clear which is which. I still say Zepar is the male because they represent Kanon and Shannon like Ronove represents Genji, and Furfur is the 34th ranked, he could have been chosen because 34 matches Shannon's name Sayo. That would make Furfur Shannon and Zepar Kanon. Lambdadelta of course also means 34, but that is a reference to Miyo from Higurashi, as even though they're not the same person, since Lambda was the one who granted Miyo's wish, Lambda's character design is based off young Miyo's, and the same voice actor plays both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103459
>he could have been chosen because 34 matches Shannon's name Sayo

Sayo != 34
紗代 != 三四

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103473
Never said that. I said it could be a reference to her name. Yes, it's not the same kanji. So? Does that mean it can't be a reference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103478
>Does that mean it can't be a reference?

It's only a reference if you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

http://tubedubber.com/#00QMxg6Yucc:rgwQXlteeWc:0:100:0:0:true

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103485
Ronove's name is obviously a reference to Genji Ronoue. Is it so strange to have another reference back to a non-fantasy character in these two? After all, R07 picks demons mostly out of the blue and they don't at all match what they're supposed to be in lower key. Just because the reference is not blatant, doesn't mean it isn't possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103402
sounds good to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103291
And he sure as hell can't do mysteries.

On an international flight last year, I read a modern mystery _Case of the Dead Dog in the Nightime_ or something like that. It was trash, essentially a retarded kid exploitation book, but there was, nominally, a mystery to be solved. The problem was, the mystery was pathetic, the culprit was telegraphed well before hand, and even then the retarded kid detective didn't figure it out...until the culprit has an emotional breakdown and admits it. It was shit, a waste of life, etc.

There's a mystery here in Umineko -- the murders SHOULD be able to be solved via conventional means, but instead of actually trying to come up with plausible explanations that can't be disproven, we get MATH PROBLEMS.

[None !NuuuuuulkI No.]

Jesus christ, OP. Update your patch to 4.2

[Anonymous No.]

weren't we talking about hempel's raven?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103875
Umineko can be solved by conventional means.
The only problem is that the solution is so fucking stupid that the majority refuses to believe it, despite its obviousness.

I would say that as a whole, Umineko is much easier than Higurashi, the only reason people didn't really solve it till now was because nobody wanted to think that the plot device could be that retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to throw this out there guys.

What if, shannon and kannon exist. And are seperate physical entities. However they both can and do dress as each other as well as dress as beatrice.

Does that work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103973
No, ShKanon(trice) can only works if they were always one person.
Can't be Shannon disguising as a dead Kanon or vice versa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103875
> MATH PROBLEMS.
It could have been awesome, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103935
It was easier to solve Higurashi in my opinion; Takano was obviously dodgy. On the other hand, "lol brain parasites" was a retarded idea.

[Anonymous No.]

http://flockdraw.com/8nqrce

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104083
Brain parasites and DID Maid, I'm thinking he needs to work just a little on his endings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104083
People only started to get Higurashi by Tatarigoroshi, the third game.
ShKanon was the most popular theory by episode 2.
I would say the plot device is more easily noticeable in Umineko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104191
He needs to work on the plot devices he uses.
In both Higurashi and Umineko, he built his stories around these plot devices.
And in both cases, people found the plot mysterious and hard to get simply because nobody could think he would use such a low twist, so everyone expected something really intelligent and brick shitting.

[Anonymous No.]

it's just a sound/visual novel, do you expect it to be at the lever of the mistery books? think about it like an anime, even if no-one has still animated Umineko

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104202
you could get the paranoia part right from Onikakushi, about Takano, you had enough info in Watanagashi

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104202
We were probably more ready to accept ShKanon because of Shmion in Higurashi, as well as droopy orphanage bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104263
Cookie cutter mystery novels manage to at least not be that fucking convoluted in their presentation.
It has nothing to do with greatness, just not fucking up the execution after the build-up

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104202
if by most popular you mean the most bashed that no one used in their theories, then yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104319
It was the most popular as in everyone knew about Shkanon. The problem is, everyone thought of it as a joke, because it was completely ridiculous, but alas.

[Anonymous No.]

It'll shock you fuckers when its not the maid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104286
This applies to me.

But at the same time, I immediately disregarded it as another red herring, because it's in bad form for an author to use the same fucking plot device more than once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4103317
IMO, the designs up to EP5 were awesome. Most of them at least. The new characters' designs are terrible - why would he do that? Furfur and Zepar's look like some run-of-the-mill design from some 80's hentai movie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101455
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[Anonymous No.]

Kyrie is so awesome. I liked her most from the very beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104472
Aw hell...

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104567
Either Nanjotrice or Gohda Brain Parasites
Much better than Shkannontrice end

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104576
There's a fragment out there where Gohda solves the epitaph.

Just think about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104472
Best character in the series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104593
If she's the best then how come she couldn't out-jealous Jessica?

[Anonymous No.]

It's going to end with the alledgedly oldest one in the book

Genji is the culpit because it's always the butler

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104613
Maid, Buttler, same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104593
my bet is that's she's still the ringleader, Shkanon is just being used, because they're FOOLs

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104625

yes, fuck the maid, and after fuck the butler. they're the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104641
no, they're FURNITURE

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104625
There are slight differences

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104657
and the sky is blue

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104602
Actually she did out-jealous Jessica by 16 extra years.

Jessica only won because Bronove helped her out and the trap twins made her an immortal possessed demon. she cheats

[Anonymous No.]

EP 7

Rudolf-Asumu-Kyrie arc

We get flashbacks of Rudolf's life, get to see what Asumu looked like, found out how the baby switch happened, and solve the fucking game.

Also because Erika is gone a new detective is needed. Battler? Fuck that fag, Rudolf is now the detective and he's kicking ass and taking names. Except his wife is the true culprit. Epic showdowns between Kyrie and Battler ensue. Also Featherine is killed by a Battler and Ange team up.

I WANT TO BELIEVE ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104734
can we add shkannontrice denial to that list

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104734
FUND THIS SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104734
I see gun duels are in Battler's blood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104734
Asumu becomes the Witch of Stillbirths.

All the magic circles are drawn in menstrual blood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104769
Rosa becomes the Witch of Greatest Mother Ever.
Magic Circles are drawn with Maria's blood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104756
I wouldn't be surprised if Rudolf made him watch Clint Eastwood movies as a kid

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104734
The new detective is Gohda. The detective must be someone unrelated to the cast, he is the newest servant in the family so... who knows? Maybe his true job is unrelated to his Magical Chef skills, he was a detective all along!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104734
>get to see what Asumu looked like
Given how Zepar/Furfur and Featherine looked, I'm guessing something over the top retarded for Asumu also.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104769
Oh god why did I lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104786
Gohda can't be the Magical Gohda Detective

Because he's the Magical Gohda Culprit

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104790
Asumu will be pantsless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104810
The question remains: will she still be a MILF even if she was unable to have a kid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4101453
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[Anonymous No.]

>>4104793
Gohda can be everything at the same time... but he is a hobo who couldn't do anything in his life, so he is living under the bridge now and telling his drunk delusions to his flatmates. You know, being an acknowledged servant in a rich family, where mystery and magic happens, so he saves the day. After that, everyone happily eats his meals and everyone is saved.

EP8 ending, you heard it here first

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104817
Yeah, she just sucked at having kids who didn't die. You could argue that she was kind of a mother at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104827
I feel sorry for Gohda. Just like Natsuhi doesn't get to wear the one-winged eagle. But instead of killing babies or talking to imaginary friends, he cooks delicious meals and climbs treacherous ladders.

Gohda is the true hero of Umineko

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104845
considering all that Battler says about her I doubt she was god awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104856
Gohda cooks babies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104871
more like dead roses

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104868
Battler also thought Rosa was a good mother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104856

I'm on ep two at the moment and gohda is a true prick to anyone that isn't natsuhi and krauss.

When does that change?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104883
It doesn't. Thought he does have some nice moments with Shannon in EP5.

He just wants his chance to shine, which he doesn't get because he's only Krauss and Natsuhi's servant, not Kinzo's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104883
read notes from a certain cook (google it with umineko wikia), you get his background

[Anonymous No.]

I wouldn't see it coming if Genji was the culprit. I often forget that he exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104974
I doubt it somehow. Considering he can vulcan neckpinch his victims to death, a gruesome death like most we've seen seems to be unnecessary to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104879
He based that on observations after 6 years of absence, rather than directly experiencing it like with Asumu.

Ryukishi loves to do this perspective shit anyway. To Kyrie she's a conniving, dorobou neko, but obviously she treated Battler lovingly, unless even that asshole has delusions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4104657

Pic related

>>4104734 Rudolf is now the detective

Fuck yeah. The only thing that would be better is if Kyrie were the detective as Rudolf fits the Watson role better than her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105060
>The only thing that would be better is if Kyrie were the detective
Which would also destroy the Kyrie culprit theory, since the mastermind cannot be the detective. Would be an interesting TWEEST.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105060
Rudolf is a major player, Kyrie likes to think she's the smart one of the pair but he has her around his little finger.

[eirei emiya !NERO.ByayA No.]

>>4105060
But Rudolf is JACK BAUER

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105060
But the culprit can't be the detective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105060
>Kyrie were the detective as Rudolf fits the Watson role better than her.
As much as I love this idea, Knox's 7th...
You know it to be true.

[Anonymous No.]

>Rudolf is now the detective

We need more Jack Bauer references.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105077
Kyrie is a good girl, I can assure you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105069
>>4105077
>>4105079

What's Kyrie's unique motivation for the Rokkenjima incident? The only person she'd want to harm is Asumu, who is already dead. While she is reminded of Asumu when Battler is around, she wouldn't want to do anything to him as Ange loves him as if they were truly blood siblings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105105
Battler's sin 6 years ago.
It MUST involve his direct family at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105105
She doesn't want to go through the hassle of being the head of the family, she leads that to Kasumi.

She takes over the Ushiromiyas and gets her money that way, and considering they barely have a brain cell to share between them, she's got ample opportunity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105072
except he's pretty much scared shitless of her at the same time and doesn't like getting on her bad side.

Kyrie is clearly the dominant one. She has him whipped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105112 Battler's sin

Explain what his sin was and how it influenced Kyrie to cause the incident.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105112
Not really.
6 years ago was the last time he was on the island.
His interactions with anyone there could be considered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105112
Battler raped Kyrie and Ange is his daughter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105112
Battler probaly just made an off hand remark to someone & Beatrice overheard/was told about. She took it personally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105132
PLOT TWEEST!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105132
Battler's sin was six years ago
Ange is six

makes sense to me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105123
If you're that scared of someone you do not get another woman pregnant then marry that woman, when Rudolf lays down the law she keeps her mouth zipped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105169
He's obviously a masochist.

Besides the game clearly says she only quiets down for the sake of his male pride.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105132
This actually sounds believable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105122

Wait, are you arguing that Kyrie, despite showing nothing but disdain at the thought of being guaranteed the head of her own family, wants to become the head of the Ushiromiya family?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105176
Well i can't argue with you there.
All i can say is whoever the flying fuck Asumu is she must be a VERY strong woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105206
Not really. She was really just another member of the harem that Rudolf slept with at one point. Although she is pretty cunning.

in EP 6 Kyrie says that Asumu was never afraid of shakes - she faked it to gain a moe trait to attract Rudolf with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105185
I cannot argue with this. It's not like she was broke and resourceless. She's avoiding responsibility.
Perhaps she being the culprit or mastermind would be revealed with a very elaborate scheme.
Perhaps her reasons to commit murder are beyond normal understanding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105237
God i hope we get a Kyrie, Rudolf & Asumu arc soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105254
even better if it turned out like this >>4104734

but knowing ryukishi we'll probably get an arc about more characters no one cares about, more grimdark batbeato and of course a load of superfluous new magic characters, rather than developing his already existing characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105276
The Ushiromiyas (Except perhaps Krauss and Natsuhi) are quite intriguing as it is. I hope it doesn't become as you say.

[Anonymous No.]

That just happened with EP6. Why would it happen for the remaining games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105276
You know the next episode is going to be Genji & Nanjo arc then EP8 will be about how Eva really hates Hideyoshi or something stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105276
I'm hoping Bernkastel will get this fucking trainwreck back on track, but Ryukishi sure olev the meta world, so I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105306
I wouldn't put it past trollkishi

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105318
>I'm hoping Bernkastel will get this fucking trainwreck back on track

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105318
She'll put it back ont rack and derail it to hell again. Bern style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105307
actually it really happens with every game really. A bunch of new characters, they get the more focus than the original cast and all the meta stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

This VN has a big theme of lying to oneself or others to make life seem better so I thought that maybe Battler sin has something to do with that. Maybe he revealed some lie that he thought was nothing big in his mind, but in reality counted a lot to some people/person. This lie being uncovered caused the incidents somehow. But this is so roundabout so I don't take it very seriously even myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105394
Negative, cap'n. Up until EP5, we get important backstory chunks.
I don't know anything about EP6, but the screens do not look like they reveal much, except 80's hentai gals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105406
EP6 seems to be about how the murders were carried out & explaining closed rooms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105406
But a lot of characters didn't even get much development despite that. Kyrie, Hideyoshi and Rudolf especially. All we knew about Kyrie was her envy for Asumu and her relation with the Sumadera family (which was told through the bias and bitter POV of her sister). Hideyoshi we knew pretty much zero about, despite a few minor things. As for Rudolf we knew he was a pimp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4105419
>As for Rudolf we knew he was a pimp
Story of his life.

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>>4105419
I trust R07 is not stupid and is quite aware Kyrie has a strong fanbase. Remember that he acknowledges Witch Hunt and thus, is aware of the international fanbase.
He might be saving the best for last.
As for Hideousyoshi, I don't know. He might be important, but I don't give a damn. He can get pierced by stakes for all I care.

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>>4105431
>As for Hideousyoshi, I don't know. He might be important, but I don't give a damn. He can get pierced by stakes for all I care.

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Yeah, ep6 was horrible for reveals. Kinzo doesn't appear at ALL except in a flashback to scenes we've seen earlier. We get some pieces of George's past, but only in broad overview. For all intents and purposes, I have trouble calling ep6 anything but a dark romance-comedy. Battler as the Endless Magician was...fail. He didn't even make it past the first twilight. The finale was much like ep5; Battler incapacitated by his own mental condition, with Bern and Erika about to do Evil, and with Beato coming in for the save -- it even takes place in the same damn location. So, I guess ep6 confirms that Battler's only power is making witches want to take his clothes off.

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Why the hell everybody just took the most retarded theories and assumed them to be true while bitching how Ryu07 suck at writing? Remember how ShKanon was "killed" in Ep.5? Remember how aliens caused the great Hinamizawa disaster? And that we still have 2 episodes to go?

Have some faith.

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>>4105307
>Battler's only power is making witches want to take his clothes off.

But isn't that the best power of all?

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>>4105475
All you need to know about George is he's always stuck in the friendzone.

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>>4105481
ShKanontrice is 99% sure at this point.

And brain parasites isn't much better than alien brain parasites.

Though personally I never had faith in R07 to begin with.

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>>4105493
How do you explain Erika confusing Kanon for anyone else? She has photographic memory and a very fine eye for detail ontop of it. I'm not saying ShKanontrice isn't true, but to accept it you need accept magic IMO. Which, ironically, might be the solution which turned the mystery into a huge farce.

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>>4105486
Only one witch wants to do that. And she's the worst one of them all.

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>>4105481
Higurashi has a poor finish also.

That is why it is so easy for us to accept Shkannontrice, Ryukishi is certainly capable of such an impotent end.

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>>4105517
We don't know what Erika saw in episode 5.
We only know what Lambda showed us aka a lot of bullshit.

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>>4105493
>ShKanontrice is 99% sure at this point.

Bullshit. 60% at best and even then it's not certain it's the ultimate answer to everything. You people just stopped thinking.

>And brain parasites isn't much better than alien brain parasites.

Brain parasites only solved the delusions in Higurashi. And that was no more than 15% of the plot. Besides Higurashi was never stated to be a pure plausible mystery in the first place.

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I get the feeling R07 panicked when fans hit the nail on the head some time ago and has been confusing shit up on purpose with the meta-world bullshit ever since.

And he's been feeling pretty pretentious lately with all these fans sucking his cock.

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>>4105525
Only Beatrice wants to?

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>>4105576
I never saw or read Higurashi. So one of the theories or explanations was having everyone infected with T. solium or some shit like that?

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>>4105517

The best explanation that I've read is that she sees the two different personalities as real people, though not necessarily two physically different entities. Thus, no violations to the Red Truth occur.

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>>4105576
You're kidding yourself if you still think Umineko is a mystery. Ryukishi jumped the shark huge.

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>>4105608
I believe it is. At least, if it's not, it is a well executed illusion.
Don't go fucking around my belief that Umineko's a good starter level novel for the mystery genre. ;_;

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>>4105608
It's not a mystery. But it's mystery subplot is supposed to be a 100% genuine and solvable mystery. Only time will tell if it's true.

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>>4103138
From the very first statement
"Raven is black" does not translate to Raven= Black. Since All Raven are black but not all black objects are Raven. Instead you have an implication not identity.

Raven => Black instead of Raven = Black.
Using law of Boolean you can gett also
Raven AND NOT(Black). etc. etc. etc.

So your logic is wrong.