Episode 7 will end with this. Episode 8 will probably begin with her OH SO SAD past

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Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:38:43 2010 No.4073220 [Reply] [Original]

Episode 7 will end with this.
Episode 8 will probably begin with her OH SO SAD past

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:39:43 2010 No.4073227 Fuck that is a bad premonition.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:40:43 2010 No.4073239 Probably, but episode 8 will also have Kinzo flashback!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:40:43 2010 No.4073247 Shannon will rape all the cousins then throw them in a meatgrinder and serve them for the dinner. You read it here first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:41:43 2010 No.4073255 >Episode 8 will probably begin with her OH SO SAD past SHE WAS BULLIED WHILST GROWING UP IN AN ORPHANAGE THIS JUSTIFIES HER ACTIONS

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:41:43 2010 No.4073258 Didn't she die in the first episode? I just got past that part.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:42:43 2010 No.4073269 >>4073258 Each episode is another "retelling of the story".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:42:43 2010 No.4073271 >>4073258 Get out of this thread right now, otherwise you'll be spoiled hard.

>>	Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. Tue Jan 5 13:42:43 2010 No.4073272 File: 114 KB, 880x800, luci-nee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ep7 will end with a FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF cliffhanger.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:43:43 2010 No.4073277

>>4073239
This

The more Umineko goes on, the more I want to learn about the awesome things Kinzo did in his life.

He never did anything awesome in his life, it only seems that way because he bribed people to tell tall stories about him, so then it became true. :3

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:43:43 2010 No.4073279

Nah. Episode 7 ends with her/him being killed by Piece-Beato, Manon, the 17th person.
Episode 8 starts with Battler meeting Piece-Beato who decides to finally stop that shit and ask him straight and ends with him marrying her as the sole person returned alive after everyone killed each other and she defused the bomb.

And suddenly Beato is a milf.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:44:43 2010 No.4073288 >>4073272 AGAIN ? ISNT THIS TORTURE ENOUGH ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:44:43 2010 No.4073289 >>4073255 You are now realizing that the girl in orhanage with Miyu who picked the lock was named Erika.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:44:43 2010 No.4073290 >>4073258 She got better Then worse Then better again Then worse again Then better again Then worse again Then better again

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:45:43 2010 No.4073296 >>4073255 Why are all girls in Umineko victims of bullying? The only likely exceptions I can think of is Gaap and Dlanor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:45:43 2010 No.4073297 File: 542 KB, 838x806, ragehou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sea Cats will end in Episode 7. And everybody will look like this, and R07 will live happily ever after with the millions he made by trolling you suckers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:46:43 2010 No.4073304 >>4073297 >millions I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:46:43 2010 No.4073305 Episode 7 will have nothing but magic fights. There will be no red, no blue... just magic fights and meta Episode 8 will be 5 min long filling with Bern's laughter.

>>	【五角場～之～無名氏】 Tue Jan 5 13:47:43 2010 No.4073310 File: 35 KB, 300x400, dvd04g_goodb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073272 Luci-nee is pretty hot in that picture, but it seems the official Stakes uniform is a bit more conservative.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:48:43 2010 No.4073315 I swear if Shkannontrice is true, i'll fly all the way to Japan to punch Ryu.

>>	Milfeulle is my Waifu !iS.Yuri/S. Tue Jan 5 13:48:43 2010 No.4073316 File: 68 KB, 500x446, nyoron.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073310

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:48:43 2010 No.4073317 >>4073297 >millions TL Note: 'Millions' in trolling currency, not money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:48:43 2010 No.4073318 >>4073310 I'd her sample, if you know what i mean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:48:43 2010 No.4073319 >>4073315 Have a nice flight then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:49:43 2010 No.4073321 >>4073315 No you won't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:50:43 2010 No.4073331 >>4073315 Start to save money then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:52:43 2010 No.4073351 If there's no Erika in EP7, I'll be raging.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:53:43 2010 No.4073364 File: 212 KB, 407x442, megarage.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073351 Here, take a head start. You know its going to happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:54:43 2010 No.4073376 >>4073364 Erika will be back wielding >Green Text

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:56:43 2010 No.4073387 Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch * Translation: 0% * Editing: 0% >meanwhileatwitchhunt.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:56:43 2010 No.4073388 >>4073376 that would be all kinds of awesome

【五角場～之～無名氏】 Tue Jan 5 13:56:43 2010 No.4073393

>>4073351
Endless Witches can revive anything.
We have how many endless witches already?
Virgilia
Beato
EVA
MARIA
ANGE
Battler

And doesn't Ange have the additional title of Witch of Resurrection? I mean, if this was in Rifyu's world Erika would have zero chance of being revived by Ange, but hey.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:57:43 2010 No.4073398 >>4073376 Will she imply things?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:58:43 2010 No.4073416 >>4073388 >This amount of implification is possible for Furudo Erika.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 13:59:43 2010 No.4073430 File: 355 KB, 736x617, 8035463.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Erika ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:00:43 2010 No.4073432 >>4073398 It's not like she ever did anything else. She never made or used any point Battler didn't force out of Beato before that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:00:43 2010 No.4073434 In Ep8 Ryukishi will reveal the game had invisible text all along, to read which you needed to take screenshots of each screen and edit them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:01:43 2010 No.4073444 >>4073434 >Implying there will be an EP8 push

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:02:43 2010 No.4073448 No Kyrie and Rudolf arc. No Rosa and Maria resolution arc. All future episodes will be all Shannon, all the time. Enjoy, anonymous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:02:43 2010 No.4073449 >>4073444 E-Erika? Is that you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:03:43 2010 No.4073454 >>4073448 Finale will have Shannon do all the reaction faces Beato has done up to that point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:04:43 2010 No.4073459 >>4073449 <VERRY GOOOOOOOD>

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:04:43 2010 No.4073464 Will there be a chapter dedicated to the backstory of the bomb?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:05:43 2010 No.4073471 >>4073464 I bet it only wants to blow up because it was neglected when it was a child and was locked underground for years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:06:43 2010 No.4073472 >>4073464 WWII, bomb forgotten by anyone slowly ticking. D-Day os oct 5. What else do you need?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:06:43 2010 No.4073478 >>4073471 The bomb is Flandre Scarlet?

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:06:43 2010 No.4073479

>Beato2 calls upon the two couples and announces the challenge which will grant them, from the brooch, the miracle of love. Shannon and Kanon show their resolve. Jessica doesn't understand but claims that the bond between her and Kanon is true. Kanon says the trial is needed to make true this bond.
>Jessica is irate as she finds all this unbelievable. Beato1 suggests that Beato2 explain things properly. Zepar and Furfur make some explanations, regarding mostly how the futures are clouded for them, how the love won't survive etc etc. while putting up some goddamned comedy act.
>Jessica isn't amused by this bullshit as the two demons say they came from the future to warn them that their loves are in serious trouble unless they succeed in this trial.
>They reference the snake that eats it's own tail again and again. Beato2 likens it to eternal suffering. Ouroborus reference.
>Beato2 seems to indicate that originally this would be meant for Shannon and George, but with Kanon's arrival and eventual relationship with Jessica only one couple can get the miracle.
>Jessica is pissed that only one couple will supposedly be allowed to have successful love. She demands to know who decided this fate. Beato2 says it is the result of the disallowed love of furniture. Only 1 brooch exists and only one couple can have it.

Considering Shannon is largely the one who set up Kanon/Jessica in the first place, she's a pretty huge bitch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:06:43 2010 No.4073481 >>4073471 No, it just got bullied for being so small.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:06:43 2010 No.4073482 Episode 5 - All deaths were homicides. How does B0MB explain this? Unless Battler disarmed it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:08:43 2010 No.4073489 >>4073482 Bomb was intentional, not accidental. Hence, a homicide.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:08:43 2010 No.4073491 >>4073489 Good point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:10:43 2010 No.4073502 >>4073479 Shannon wants both Battler, Jessica and George. She'll stop the killings if they agree to share.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:10:43 2010 No.4073504 Wait...so at the very end, Umineko is about...terrorists?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:11:43 2010 No.4073507 >>4073472 Didn't Hideyoshi steal american WW2 supplies? OMG, HE'S THE CULPRIT

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:11:43 2010 No.4073510 I want touhous to appear in EP8.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:12:43 2010 No.4073520 >>4073507 I AM SHOCK

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:12:43 2010 No.4073521 File: 106 KB, 500x711, fc1a776e1deb2a7e2844bbe9dacbd2c8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073510 >EP8 portrait

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:12:43 2010 No.4073524 >>4073502 And Maria. She wants all the Ushiromiya children.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:13:43 2010 No.4073533 >>4073510 Nazrin finds the gold Becomes TINY TINY WITCH OF CLEVERNESS

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:14:43 2010 No.4073535 >>4073524 Oh god, where are the doujins.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:14:43 2010 No.4073536 >her Are you 100% sure?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:14:43 2010 No.4073537 >>4073533 Marisa for Golden Witch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:15:43 2010 No.4073541 >>4073351 Start raging because she's gone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:15:43 2010 No.4073547 >>4073536 Yes...original was Sayo, a girl. Shannon and Kanon were separate personalities.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:16:43 2010 No.4073553 >>4073541 >Implying that Erika won't be back. push

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:16:43 2010 No.4073554 >>4073541 Ange was gone in EP4 so what? I'll start raging when it's out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:17:43 2010 No.4073562 So all the killings are happening because a horny teenager girl can't go for harem route?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:18:43 2010 No.4073566 >>4073562 Well...yeah...seems like it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:19:43 2010 No.4073576 File: 40 KB, 704x480, 1262712256439.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073562 BEST PLOT EVER

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:19:43 2010 No.4073578 Culprit will be the one we least expected, just like Takano in Higurashi. That being said, Ghoda is the culprit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:20:43 2010 No.4073581 >>4073578 Oh shi-! That would mean that small bombs in the food was real!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:20:43 2010 No.4073583 File: 26 KB, 300x439, seitokai-1-p35.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ken would teach her how to do it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:21:43 2010 No.4073586 >>4073220 >implying Shannon is the culprit just because she's also Kanon Why is this true, as I've stated MANY times, she can just be killing the culprits, that easy, with help of Jessica mostly

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:23:43 2010 No.4073598 Shannon can't be the culprit! She's been to busy being dead before the end of the twilights.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:24:43 2010 No.4073602 File: 474 KB, 800x1000, 8017169.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073553 She won't. We got her annoying past story, her shining moment of glory and her death. She's been replaced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:25:43 2010 No.4073605 >>4073289 It was "Eriko". If I remember correctly, she was fed to chickens while still alive in the manga. Good pages. I guess Erika might be her(she also looks a lot like Rika) after Bern repaired Miyoko's past so that the loop wouldn't happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:25:43 2010 No.4073607 >>4073602 What? By Super Hanyuu?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:26:43 2010 No.4073610 >>4073554 Ange wasn't a psycho bitch who represented the wrong way to look at things. Your Mary Sue is gone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:26:43 2010 No.4073611 File: 39 KB, 649x536, 1258515783954.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073605 >chickens

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:27:43 2010 No.4073618 What are Dlanor and her lackeys based from anyway?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:28:43 2010 No.4073622 >>4073618 The archive?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:30:43 2010 No.4073625 >>4073598 >>4073598 >>4073598 >>4073598 >>4073598

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:31:43 2010 No.4073632 >>4073625 >>4073598 Kanon's body keeps disappearing though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:31:43 2010 No.4073636 >>4073598 Never proved in red that it was really her body.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:32:43 2010 No.4073638 When they discover about Shannon having the Ushiromiya blood, they will let her threesome George and Jessica, while having fast ones with Battler. They're greedy fucks like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:33:33 2010 No.4073642 femanon buttsex penis vagina peanut butter FEMANON PENIS VAGINA BUTTSEX PEANUT BUTTER

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:33:43 2010 No.4073641 >>4073638 sure is Dynasty in here

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:34:43 2010 No.4073643 >>4073638 What about Maria?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:34:43 2010 No.4073645 File: 37 KB, 720x536, 1257920871787.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073642

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:35:43 2010 No.4073649 Kanon's body EP1: Wasn't seen by the detective. EP2: Wasn't seen by the detective. EP3: Wasn't seen by the detective. EP4: Wasn't seen by the detective. Oh, noes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:35:43 2010 No.4073650 http://www.onemanga.com/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_-_Matsuribayashi/4/10/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:35:43 2010 No.4073651 File: 50 KB, 812x606, 1258080453956.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's one way to find out for sure what Kanon's gender is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:35:43 2010 No.4073653 >>4073643 Battler won't let her because he wants to break her hymen when she's 19.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:36:43 2010 No.4073655 >>4073649 I knew it! Ghoda IS the culprit!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:37:43 2010 No.4073660 >>4073611 there, forgot a reply >>4073650

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:37:43 2010 No.4073663 >>4073482 >>4073489 >>4073491 Bomb also explains the horrible state of the bodies at the end of EP1 because of LOL! Eaten by demons. And on EP4...Battler hugged the bomb?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:39:43 2010 No.4073667 >>4073663 My love is for you is a destructive power!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:40:43 2010 No.4073673 >>4073667 BERSERKER

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:41:43 2010 No.4073679 >>4073663 He was completely drunk afterall. You know what people can do when their completely smashed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:41:43 2010 No.4073680 >>4073663 If I'd suddenly see some huge bomb-like thing with 00:03 on it's timer I'd hug it to to be evaporated in split-second and don't feel any pain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:41:43 2010 No.4073682 >>4073642 Oh god what.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:46:43 2010 No.4073722 Live action Umineko. Chuck Norris as Ronove. Y/N?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:53:43 2010 No.4073751 >>4073722 Nah. Al Pacino as Ronove.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:54:43 2010 No.4073754 >>4073751 >>4073722 >You now imagine Pacino/Norris doing 'Pukukuku'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:55:43 2010 No.4073760 File: 191 KB, 376x585, 1258612634266.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073754 I dunno, Banderas seems to be capable of doing that laugh properly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 14:58:43 2010 No.4073781 >>4073754 Any of you against Morgan Freeman? Black Bronove with a heart of gold.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:00:43 2010 No.4073791 >>4073781 Not at all. God damn, it would be awesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:01:43 2010 No.4073806 >>4073781 NO, Ronove isn't black also agreed>>4073760 he fits

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:01:43 2010 No.4073807 >>4073781 Samuel L. Jackson as Kinzo though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:02:43 2010 No.4073810 >>4073807 Samuel L. Jackson as Bernkastel or Maria.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:03:43 2010 No.4073812 >>4073810 Obviously, Will Smith needs to be Battler.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:03:43 2010 No.4073815 Gary Oldman as Ronove would be nice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:04:43 2010 No.4073817 File: 23 KB, 628x378, fuck yeah.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] FUCK YEAH ! smothered mate!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:04:43 2010 No.4073819 >>4073807 But he wouldn't cry though. Samuel Jackson never weeps.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:05:43 2010 No.4073825 >>4073819 >Hasn't watched Freedomland.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:05:43 2010 No.4073827 Mass Produced Michael Clarke Duncan as Goats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:06:43 2010 No.4073830 File: 53 KB, 569x213, 1260331760254.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4073827

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:08:43 2010 No.4073835 >>4073812 Wait, we're having a black Umineko cast? Whoa, that's fucked up.

>>	【五角場～之～無名氏】 Tue Jan 5 15:08:43 2010 No.4073836 >>4073817 why is it called smothered mate again? chess reference?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:10:43 2010 No.4073840 >>4073835 Why not? Couldn't be worse than the anime right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:10:43 2010 No.4073843 >>4073836 NO, it's a way to cook mackerel

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:10:43 2010 No.4073844 >>4073836 It's when you get a checkmate with the King being surrounded by his own pieces.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:11:43 2010 No.4073847 >>4073840 But I wouldn't be able to take Battler seriously at all. It would make for a comedy of the year, all years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:13:43 2010 No.4073854 >>4073847 Would be one hell of a watch though. Will Smith going all I am Legend on Dlanor and Erika.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:16:43 2010 No.4073865 File: 30 KB, 624x465, hmmm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how many xxx DOUJINS they'll make about this single scene? ... oh god...

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:17:43 2010 No.4073870

the solution to the knocking in episode 5 has to be that the clock in the room was wrong, right?
cause all the other red truths says that people in the guest house would not be able to knock at 24.00

said nothing about "clock being correct" or "not exist in the mansion while the clock said 24.00" right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:17:43 2010 No.4073871 >>4073865 none

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:18:43 2010 No.4073885 >>4073870 It was either that or everyone just 'agreed' that there was a knock. If everyone agreed that they perceived a knock during that time then it doesn't violate any of the reds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:18:43 2010 No.4073886 >>4073870 but the red truth "it was impossible for anyone outside the mansion to influence anything inside the mansion around the time of the family conference" makes me wonder

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:19:43 2010 No.4073891 >>4073865 tons, and there will be no milf or lesbian doujins at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:20:43 2010 No.4073892 >>4073886 Someone from within the mansion messed with the clocks? Could have been Battler who was bored to death after sitting through the arguments of the adults.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:21:43 2010 No.4073898 >>4073892 Battler adjusted the clocks so he could leave earlier than he would have. I wouldn't put it past Will Smith.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:26:43 2010 No.4073916 >>4073898 Now I cannot imagine anyone but Will Smith playing Battler. Fuck you, man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:27:43 2010 No.4073923 >>4073916 he doesn't fit at all, what is he, like 40?

Ushiromiya !Irru/KgWf6 Tue Jan 5 15:28:43 2010 No.4073927
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<good>, I just finished Episode 6, and does anyone mind telling me what the fuck happened in ????. Atlas did a good job by making clear the major plot lines, but I could not for the life of me figure out what that was about. Also, can anyone translate my pic?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:29:43 2010 No.4073936 >>4073923 jokeoveryourhead.jpg

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:41:43 2010 No.4073999

>>4073927
"...... Where is... Lambda... ?"

Just be saying that, it felt like I was admitting defeat... That rankled in me. Even though she was always there making noises and latching onto me when I didn't want her to... When I finally call her name, she doesn't answer...

Is she making fun of me? Where... is this?

Feeling that watching an ending I could already foresee happening was stupid. I left the great hall. Maybe I could find a cool terrace to spend the time while waiting for that farce in the great hall to end.

"Well, it's true that I kept on going in the direction where there were no people... But for there not to be a single soul here is too much..."

Am I, the great Bernkastel... lost?

As if this sort of miracle could ever happen.

Yes... There exists no miracles in this world. For a miracle to occur, there must be a "time that will never arrive" that is almost equivalent to an endless time. So for something like a miracle to happen in this place which has no such time... That is not a miracle, but someone's plan. In other words, I've been sucked into someone's plan now, made to walk this weird corridor...

A cat. It sounded like a cat. But there can't be a miracle of a cat in this sort of place...

This sort of miracle is "not allowed". If it's not a miracle, then it is a sign... to lead me in that direction.

Fine... It might be a new happening that will ease my boredom. If this turns out to be one of Lambda's new games... I'll make her use her tongue to cover her whole body with honey as a reward and stick parasols in her eyes so that she won't do it again.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:41:43 2010 No.4074004

>>4073999
The corridor is dark, but there is a presence.

Two emerald green eyes. Probably those of a cat. A black cat.

"Are you the one who called me? Or are you someone's messenger?"

Looking down at my feet, I could see bright red cat footprints leading to the cat eyes. An eerie footprint... as if it had stepped in some blood.

As my eyes grew accustomed to the darkness, it looked as if the footprints floated slightly in the dark. Not that it was glowing, but it served its purpose as a sign that I should follow it. As if asking me to follow, the cat turned and looked at me then walked off into the darkness.

What is this? This mysterious feeling. This feeling that I haven't felt in a long time, ever since I assumed the name of the cruelest witch in the world. Waht this feeling is... Somehow, I can't really remember. But... for me, who is tired of boredom... This must be interesting.

Walking down that dark corridor, I followed the cat. Forward... Turning... Sometimes going down stairs... And, I'm not sure because it was dark... I entered through a gap of a door.

"...... This is?"

I couldn't hear the cat footsteps, but the bloody footprints continued. In the distance, a white spotlight of light... The cat from before... was eating something frmo a bowl. I see... So that's your reward for bringing me here.

"Cat... I know I'm bothering your dinner... but why don't you get your owner to come... It couldn't be... You can't be the one who asked me to come here, right?"

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:42:43 2010 No.4074008

>>4074004
It didn't even turn to look at me. Well, it's just a beast. Maybe if I kick it, it'll run to its owner...

[kicking sound]

"Hmm."

After kicking the cat, it flew against the wall like a stuffed animal and stayed there before disappearing into the darkness.

What's with this cat? An illusion?

"Tsk."

When I looked down at the bowl, it was blood covered raw meat.

"What is this... This bad taste treatment."

"Kicking it... was not a nice thing to do."

When I heard that voice, all my hair stood on end. Then, the surroundings began to brighten. But before the lights turned on, Bernkastel already knew where this was.

AuAu: It is, you know... That cat.
Bern: ......
AuAu: A cat that eats flesh... A cat who's learnt how to choose paths... It's been a while.
Bern: If you didn't make me learn it... It is a path I wouldn't have chosen. You monster who taught me the taste of flesh... So you've revived... Featherine Auaurora.
AuAu: Augustus Aurora... How many times have I told you, yet you never learn. That's fine. That too is nostalgic... I heard a lot of rumours about you: how you've taken the name of the witch of miracles, Bernkastel, and how you've been playing with kakera in unpraiseworthy ways.
Bern: I was only doing things you would... But in the end, I am no match for you. If what I did was unpraiseworthy... You've done things a hundred times worse.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:42:43 2010 No.4074014

>>4074008
Bernkastel sat in an antique chair in a manner that showed she was purposely doing things her own way.

AuAu: What are you afraid of? I am merely enjoying meeting with my longest serving miko again... Were you so bothered by the cat familiar just now?

Bern's actions looked as if they were relaxed, but to that Featherine, she seemed to be saying "don't be afraid". And from that expression on Bern's face... It seems Featherine had hit the nail on the head.

Bern: There's only so much insinuation I can take... A cat who eats blood-covered flesh and walks around leaving a trail of blood?
AuAu: ...... Don't be afraid... Look closely... Where is this cat whose dropping its face in bloody flesh? All there is is a plate of biscuits given to it as a reward for bringing you here.
Bern: ......

And as if it was a mirage... There was the plate full of cute biscuits.

Bern: Tcht.

Bern didn't bother to hide her displeased expression. Featherine shrugged her shoulders as she muttered,"You just never change, do you child?"

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Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:43:43 2010 No.4074019

Bern: As usual, you're such an unpleasant person... But now I'm quite satisfied... Mimcking what you've done... was not really boring.
AuAu: Go ahead and tell me off as you like, like when we parted. That was the present I gave you.
Bern: That you like a bad-mouthed miko because it's not boring? Tcht... How stupid. If that makes you so happy, I'd rather stuff up my mouth... So, why did you call me here?
AuAu: Beatrice's game seems to have ended with Battler's victory. I've been watching... It's been very interesting.
Bern: ... You must have been interested in watching my clumsy role, haven't you?
AuAu: Oh no, it was a good performance. Even Beato must be thanking you.
Bern: ... Hmm... And? If you're here to ask me to recite Beato's game, I refuse... I am no longer your miko.
AuAu: I've watched all of Beato's games, Lambda's game, Battler's game... All of them have entertained me very much. I even have my own answers to all the mysteries... Culprit, motive, each trick... The riddle I haven't completely solved, but I have a deduction that I believe will be solved once I visit Rokkenjima.
Bern: And?
AuAu: Of course, as long as there isn't a single truth, my deduction is but one of many allowed possibilities. But that is within the scope of possibilities. It's just a matter of elimination.
Bern: What? You want me to debate Beato's game with you?
AuAu: No. Child, what I want you to do is reconcile the answers.

At Featherine's words, Bern had a slight reaction. But that slight reaction did not escape the notice of her former mistress.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:44:43 2010 No.4074025

AuAu: As an actor in a play, you've been through many different stories. Through that process, you've come to realize various truths, haven't you? However, there still remains some riddles that Beato created that even you do not know the answers to. Is that not so?
Bern: ...... I see... You want me to take up the role of biting into the innards and dragging them out, don't you?
AuAu: At the end of the play, reading a pamphlet and understanding the backstage happenings of the play, is as you say, like having tea after a meal. It's luxurious, but something that cannot be missed out.
Bern: When it is alive, you play with it and cherish it... Once it dies, you eat up its flesh to fill up your stomach... For you, a cat has double uses, doesn't it? Go die, you monster.
AuAu: I want to reconcile the answers... And don't you want to know?
Bern: ......
AuAu: Just think of it as if it's burying Beato's bones and I'm asking you to carry out that funeral rite. What about that, my child?
Bern: ... That's a way of requesting that more befits my tastes.

With a click of Featherine's fingers, a spotlight falls on the pile of books spread on the table.
And there... was a folded game board of Beato's game.
And there... was a stack of folded game boards of Beato's game. With
With a twirl of her finger, the witch of observation opened one of the game boards. On it, the black and white pieces slipped into their positions.

AuAu: The game board and the pieces are all here.

With a flurry of flapping, the book flipped from the first page to the last, closed itself and then flew to the side of the game board. There were all the movements of the previous games... All recorded.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:44:43 2010 No.4074032

Bern: ... I see... All that's missing is the player and the reciter.
AuAu: The tea is not enough. The dried peaches are also not enough, but those will be prepared.
Bern: ...... All right... If you'll add in some daifuku, I'll start...
AuAu: The discussion is complete.
Bern: I have one condition.
AuAu: Hohhh, and that is... ?
Bern: I am the reciter, you know... I have no love, so I might come up with all sorts of weird explanations... But how it is read... is all up to the reciter~
AuAu: All I want is to reconcile the answers. I have no interest in the story. I have no interest in what kind of tale you weave. I see... I finally understand what it is you want to do. All right.
Bern: ... You'll accept it, of course? The condition.
AuAu: That's fine. I want to know the answers. You want to vent your resentment. The negotiations are complete.

With another click of her fingers, a large chair appears. It was a throne... that didn't fit the room's decorations.
[picture of Battler's portrait appears]
No...It was familiar... that throne...

>>	【五角場～之～無名氏】 Tue Jan 5 15:44:43 2010 No.4074034 >>4073927 when the uminekos cry, no one will be left alive

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:45:43 2010 No.4074037 >>4073865 I wouldn't be surprised if this were a theory from the readers

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:45:43 2010 No.4074038

AuAu: I accept your conditions. You may seat yourself. The game master is... you.
Bern: ... You're sure? You're really, really sure? [BERNTWISTEDFACEHERE]
AuAu: To vent your resentment, you can create any story you want. I have no interest in that. But I also have a condition. You must resolve all the answers I want. No secrets or hiding things.
Bern: Ufufufufufufufufuf... Leave it to me. Splitting up the innards and dragging out all that is inside is that I do best... It's what you taught me to do.
AuAu: I will make the tea... Not with magic, but by my own hands. The mistress will prepare tea for her miko.
Bern: Beato used to say that to enjoy tea, its best to have a witch as your companion.
AuAu: For us... it's different, isn't it? Fufufufufufufufu.

And without knowing when, the plate of biscuits disappeared in a whiff of red bubbles... and returned to a pile of minced meat. No... Not just meat... Innards. Intestines.

AuAu + Bern: To drink tea... it is best to do it with FELLOW MONSTERS."

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:46:43 2010 No.4074042

After the credits:

Bern: ... Let's begin the placement of the pieces. This would be the 7th game then?
AuAu: Yes... It's an auspicious number.
Bern: But not to Beato.

Bern slowly lifted up a black piece. That was the piece that represent Beato. A piece that is sometimes a king... Sometimes a queen, a knight... But that is only when it is promoted. Right now it is but a pawn... A garbage piece. So the placement of the pieces... From then on, the witches' game begins. And so Bernkastel slowly raised up Beato's piece.

Initial position...

D8 - Beatrice.

end

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:48:43 2010 No.4074055 >>4074042 Oh shi-!

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:49:43 2010 No.4074060

>>4074042
>>Bern slowly lifted up a black piece. That was the piece that represent Beato. A piece that is sometimes a king... Sometimes a queen, a knight... But that is only when it is promoted. Right now it is but a pawn... A garbage piece. So the placement of the pieces... From then on, the witches' game begins. And so Bernkastel slowly raised up Beato's piece.

You can't escape from ShKanontrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:50:43 2010 No.4074067 >>4074042 I wonder how the next game is going to turn out. Does this mean Bern is in control of Beatrice? Battler versus Beatrice?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:50:43 2010 No.4074068 File: 27 KB, 350x236, 1259726147846.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4074042 >>4074055 Clearly, Will Smith is the only one who can get out of this one. Also, new Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:54:43 2010 No.4074084 >>4074067 YES

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:54:43 2010 No.4074085

>>4074067
The only things Bern will have control of is which scenes to show.
Think of it like this: a GM is like an editor for a movie, she has 2 versions of the same movie, one filled with lots of fantasy scenes and one normal, but they tell the same story.
And she has to make only one movie by editing the hell out of both.
But of course she can decide to only show the normal version, that's probably what will happen in the next game.

But the normal version doesn't show the mental dilema of the cast that are symbolized by the fantasy scenes, and therefore lack love.
Expect something sappy like this to happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:57:43 2010 No.4074096 >>4074085 Are you kidding? Bern is in control now. Both Featherine and Battler will see the truth in the most brutal way. She's not going to sugar coat it or soften it, she wants the ultimate destruction of Beatrice.

>>	Ushiromiya !Irru/KgWf6 Tue Jan 5 15:57:43 2010 No.4074099 Thanks, anon. Also, Beato didn't get resurrected, right? The MoeBeato just gained (some of) her memories, if I got that right. Right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:59:43 2010 No.4074103 >Beato didn't get resurrected, right? Yes, she didn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 15:59:43 2010 No.4074106 >>4074099 Moe Beatrice is the "real" Beatrice without her memories. It's explained lengthily and in detail, twice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:00:43 2010 No.4074114 >read Higurashi >expect awesome mystery >BRAIN PARASITES >read Umineko >hopes for Ryukishi's redemption >DID meidu Fuck this shit...

Ushiromiya !Irru/KgWf6 Tue Jan 5 16:01:43 2010 No.4074120

>>4074103
>Yes, she didn't.
Okay.

But man, answer in
>No, she didn't
or
>Yes, she did.

It confuses me.

>>4074106
Yeah, I got that, after seeing her with the pipe and the cackle I thought she'd be the old one again, but that changed quickly after calling Battler, Battler-san.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:03:43 2010 No.4074128 >>4074120 sorry it's >>No, she didn't

>>	【五角場～之～無名氏】 Tue Jan 5 16:03:43 2010 No.4074129 >>4074120 hey stop complaining! current beato already has the best of both worlds: moe and troll! stop jinxing her!

CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Tue Jan 5 16:04:43 2010 No.4074133

>>4074120
If it confuses you, word your questions better.

"She didn't, right?"

By tacking on the 'right?' it makes the question very awkward as beforehand you say a negative - so the answer will be just as awkward.

"She didn't?" or "did she?" would be better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:04:43 2010 No.4074136 >>4073618 I saw it that Dlanor was logic and the lackeys were evidence. Like the doors being closed and stuff. Dlanor never stated any facts(or at least I didn't notice it), only made conclusions based on them. She was also used by Erika a lot.

part 2 CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Tue Jan 5 16:05:43 2010 No.4074143

>>4074120
If one asks "She didn't, right?" the answer has to be 'yes, she didn't'

If they say 'no, she didn't' that means no, you are wrong, but then says you are right.

If they say yes she did, that means yes you are right, but no you are wrong.

The only way to answer is yes she didn't or no she did with how you asked.

Ushiromiya !Irru/KgWf6 Tue Jan 5 16:08:43 2010 No.4074153

>>4074129
Heh. I'm not complaining, just saying I was wrong.
>>4074133
>>4074143
Can't argue with that.

__

I used atlas, so most of the details were lost on me.
Did MoeBeato get all of her memories back, or just the ones regarding the closed rooms?
I figured they were just the ones of the closed rooms, but, I could be mistaken, obviously.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:10:43 2010 No.4074166

>>4074120

You didn't read it fully then. Featherine said that by Beatrice never being revived she meant that her memories could never be put back together the same way again. So in reviving Beatrice, Battler would change her. Also it's implied it happened before, and Battler revived her when he talked to real world Beatrice, and it took 6 years then. Presumably it'll take longer than a few hours this time too.

She's an incomplete Beato.

>>	Endless Streamer !Irru/KgWf6 Tue Jan 5 16:11:43 2010 No.4074175 >>4074166 Yeah, as I said; details were unfortunately lost on me. Thanks for clearing that up, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:12:43 2010 No.4074181 Wonder if we will get to see the true Sayo, the one original personality. NTR for George, would be funny to see.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:14:43 2010 No.4074190 >>4074099 >Also, Beato didn't get resurrected, right? Beato was fully resurrected. Probably still in a little bit of flux, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:16:43 2010 No.4074197 >>4074166 >Also it's implied it happened before, and Battler revived her when he talked to real world Beatrice Where was this implied?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:16:43 2010 No.4074198 >>4074181 Then we got triple trolled that Sayo was MoeBeato all along.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:29:43 2010 No.4074290 What's the evidence that Beato is Shannon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:31:43 2010 No.4074305 >>4074290 The whole game, from the beginning of the first episode to the ending of episode 6.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:31:43 2010 No.4074309 >>4074290 Other than motive, circumstantial evidence and massive speculation...nothing red yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:39:43 2010 No.4074362 >>4074290 There is none. The game actually has more evidence to the contrary. People are just at a loss how to explain things otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:40:43 2010 No.4074372 I can't wait for Ryu to troll all of you faggots when episode 7 comes out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:41:43 2010 No.4074380 >>4074362 Clearly, Beato is Battler's imaginary friend that he outgrew 6 years ago. He suddenly had a relapse when he came back to the island where they had several 'encounters'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:43:43 2010 No.4074389 >>4074372 He isn't trolling anyone, the Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice theory is basically 99% sure, it's going to happen. And that's why it's so crappy, I expected bricks but look like it won't happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:48:43 2010 No.4074429 >>4074389 better: just wait till he discovers that they aren't the culprits, no matter how many personalities Shannon has

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:50:43 2010 No.4074444

>>4074389
Remember when everyone thought that EP5 completely disproved Shannon = Kanon since Battler has seen them together? They we all realized that Battler wasn't even a detective and he even cast doubt on the reliability of his own perception of things.

Something like that is bound to happen again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:52:43 2010 No.4074454 >>4074444 It won't. ShKanontrice has been hinted since the first episode. If you don't believe me, play it again, or read the manga. It's not like it was introduced in the last game, it's always been there, it's not R07 trolling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:55:42 2010 No.4074474,1 >>4074454 But in the manga, in EP1 Battler DID feel Shannon's breasts. They CAN'T be fake otherwise he'd realize it

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:55:43 2010 No.4074474

>>4074454
Why does Erika treat them as two separate people? There were several times during the last episode when everyone gathered in a room. Even if her vision was different from Battler, she should be aware that she never saw a person named Kanon when everyone was in the same room.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:57:43 2010 No.4074493 >>4074474 Look at the scenes again. Shannon and Kanon are always sticking close to each other. Erika could only be talking to one person, but each personality just answered alternatively.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:57:43 2010 No.4074494 So the theory everyone already knew since Ep2 turned out to be true. Disappointment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:58:43 2010 No.4074499 >>4074474 >>4074493 Either that or an executive override by Bern or Lambda.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:59:43 2010 No.4074504 Ryuukishi07 should just forget about trying to write plot and go the Zun way. Creating cute loli with frills only.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 16:59:43 2010 No.4074506

>>4074493
>Erika could only be talking to one person, but each personality just answered alternatively.
Yes, I know. But then why doesn't she point this out when she's trying to break Beato's closed room mystery at the end? Instead, she treats Kanon like a totally separate entity, which she wouldn't if she wasn't aware he didn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:00:43 2010 No.4074517 >>4074493 If they're always together, how would Erika know that Kanon exists? Wouldn't she just think it's Shannon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:01:43 2010 No.4074525 >>4074517 In these scenes, she think she is only talking to Kanon of course. Read them again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:02:43 2010 No.4074530 >>4074517 BUT THEN WHY WOULD SHE THINK SHES THE 18TH PERSON GODDAMN WHY IS EVERYTHING SO SENSELESS

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:03:43 2010 No.4074537 >>4074494 umineko=mystery fun of a mystery=the satisfaction of having your teories right Deal with iit, umienko was solvable since ep4 or any of the previous, also Shkanon isn't the magical solution, the culprit can be any of the suspects

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:03:43 2010 No.4074538 >>4074525 All right, then why would she think that Shannon exists? Again, she keeps everyone together in EP5 many times. Why wouldn't she notice this mysterious maid that people talk to isn't actually there?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:03:43 2010 No.4074543 >>4074517 But why would she even use different names for them then? >>4074530 Clearly, There is still one person yet to be revealed. Ala EVER17 biosensor thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:04:43 2010 No.4074550 >>4074530 Exactly. There has to be a reason she assumes there are seventeen people on the island. That means she has to have seen Shannon and Kanon together in the previous episode for it to make sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:05:43 2010 No.4074555 >>4074538 They don't talk to Shannon of course in the real version of the events, basically Battler vision, etc...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:06:43 2010 No.4074560 >>4074543 Yeah, I don't get it either. Even if she didn't want split personality maid to be the culprit of EP5 because she was gunning for Natsuhi, there's no reason she wouldn't think of it in EP6 when Kanon's identity hinges on her survival.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:06:43 2010 No.4074561 There's something surprisingly hot about smug Shannon wanting to sexually abuse all the cousins and using weapons for forcing them into that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:06:43 2010 No.4074562 >>4074530 She saw them alternatively, like Battler and everyone else.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:07:43 2010 No.4074565

>>4074555
Look, that doesn't explain why ERIKA thinks there are eighteen people. Even if the scene is from his perspective, Erika was also in the room and never contradicts it at any later time, even when it would be to her benefit and win the entire game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:08:43 2010 No.4074569 >>4074565 Why does Battler thought there was 18 people. Think a little and this will answer your question.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:08:43 2010 No.4074571 >>4074560 She was blinded by the red truth, just as we are now.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:09:43 2010 No.4074572

>>4074562
But she didn't. Reread the chapter. Kanon and Shannon are almost always together when she sees them, and mostly in scenes where EVERYONE is supposed to be there. If one of them were missing, you'd think she'd go "hey, call the emo furniture in" or "call the moe maid in."

I think the only time she ever talks to one alone is in meta.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:09:43 2010 No.4074574 >>4074562 Then just what is the fucking point of having a detective? Fap to her?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:10:43 2010 No.4074576 >>4074569 >Why does Battler thought there was 18 people. While Battler was a detective, the eighteen people on the island never gathered in one place. This does not hold for Erika. Your explanation doesn't work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:11:43 2010 No.4074579 >>4074572 In episode 6, she sees them alternatively. And she probably think DID is a stupid answer as well, so why would she think of it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:11:43 2010 No.4074582 I can't wait for Ryukishi trolling us saying that the premises were different for Ep X alone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:11:43 2010 No.4074584 You forget, Battler said that there were 17 people on the island. If Shannon=Kanon then Erika can fill the free slot. Meaning SHE'LL BE BACK BITCHES!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:12:43 2010 No.4074586 >>4074571 No. According to Shkannon and the way EP5 was set up, Erika has no reason to believe that they are two separate people, if they are not two separate people. Lacking love, she should only see the core personality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:12:43 2010 No.4074589 >>4074576 They could have told her that Shannon or Kanon had something to do. The only thing that tell us that everyone on the island was in the room was the red text after all.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:13:43 2010 No.4074594

>>4074579
>In episode 6, she sees them alternatively.
Yes, I know. But she's also operating from knowledge of the previous game. She talks about things like how tape won't work this time, ect.

The only thing that makes sense is that the condition of Shannon and Kanon somehow changed from this game from last game. And there's no reason to believe that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:14:43 2010 No.4074596 >>4074584 Come back when you read episode 6.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:14:43 2010 No.4074598 >>4074589 >They could have told her that Shannon or Kanon had something to do. Yeah, and knowing Erika she would just gladly accept this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:15:43 2010 No.4074601 >>4074594 Why not? She was just a guest the first time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:15:43 2010 No.4074602 Shannon=Kanon would also explain why Kanon was so physically weak and was cold towards Battler on EP1. Kanon=The part that couldn't forgive Battler. Shannon=The part that still loves Battler. Beato=The part that trolls Battler.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:15:43 2010 No.4074605 >>4074589 >The only thing that tell us that everyone on the island was in the room was the red text after all. So you're saying the red text was wrong?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:16:43 2010 No.4074608 >>4074605 Wordplay? Red has been proven to be very twisty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:16:43 2010 No.4074609 >>4074601 Detective privilege. At the end of a story, when the detective asks everyone to gather, everyone gathers. Doesn't make sense for the detective to accept that Kanon is off painting the shed, or Shannon is off folding the sheets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:17:43 2010 No.4074611 >>4074608 Still doesn't explain all the other times both of them are supposed to be in the same room and she doesn't notice anyone missing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:17:43 2010 No.4074615 >>4074605 No, if Shannon = Kanon, then the red text wasn't wrong, that's my point. Erika saw 16 people beside herself in this room. We saw 17 people beside her. In both case the red text is true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:18:43 2010 No.4074619 >>4074611 Executive override by Lambda like what happened to Cornelia?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:18:43 2010 No.4074622 >>4074608 >EVERYONE ON THE ISLAND IS IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW Explain how this is wordplayed. Jesus Christ, we know that red can be subjective/wordplay but that doesn't mean you can always interpret it however the fuck you want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:19:43 2010 No.4074624 >>4074609 The narration stated that Shannon was "behind" Erika at that time. She was probably so absorbed with herself that she didn't even notice someone missing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:19:43 2010 No.4074625 >>4074615 >Erika saw 16 people beside herself in this room. Yes, okay. So, to her, Shannon-or-Kanon should be a single entity. All well and good. So, uh, why was she having so much trouble with the closed room at the end of EP6 again...?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:20:43 2010 No.4074628 >>4074625 I thought Battler was the one getting his ass handed to him in the closed room?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:21:43 2010 No.4074630 >>4074615 >Erika saw 16 people beside herself in this room. And that's the point. Why does she think there are 18 people? Why does she make a distinction between Shannon and Kanon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:21:43 2010 No.4074633 >>4074619 >Executive override by Lambda like what happened to Cornelia? Erika isn't her piece. Her senses can't be deceived, as long as she has detective privilege, as Dlanor should have hammered into your brain by the end of the ep.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:21:43 2010 No.4074635

>>4074625
Because she thought that Shannon and Kanon as separate entities of course, I never said anything else.

My point is that in the meta world, we knew about the "everyone in this island is in this room", but in the normal world, they didn't have to know.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:21:43 2010 No.4074638

>>4074615
Everyone gathers in both Kinzo's Study and Guest room, and Shannon and Kanon are not only both present in both cases, but they also speak separate lines. That's pretty huge. They also are present at the same place and time when Erika reconstructs the knock scene.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:22:43 2010 No.4074641 >>4074635 >Because she thought that Shannon and Kanon as separate entities of course, I never said anything else. Why? Why doesn't she notice they're separate people when it's supposedly impossible for them to be in the same room at the same time?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:22:43 2010 No.4074642 >>4074630 Has she ever explicitly stated that Shannon and Kanon were two different people?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:22:43 2010 No.4074643 >>4074624 Photographic memory. She wouldn't overlook something as important as a FUCKING PERSON, POSSIBLE CULPRIT

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:23:43 2010 No.4074648 >>4074638 And they always stick extremely close to each other. There's the reason why it's precised in episode 6 that the only reliable scene are those seen from the detective POV.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:24:43 2010 No.4074650 >>4074638 Personalities swapping. You never notice it if you watch the actual person because there is not physical indication that it happens. unless they do a Ranma of course.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:24:43 2010 No.4074652

>>4074642
>Has she ever explicitly stated that Shannon and Kanon were two different people?
No, that's what was making her so frustrated at the end of EP6, though. The thought that Shannon and Kanon being the same person never occurred to her, even though it would have won her the game and she should have known if they were or weren't from the previous game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:25:43 2010 No.4074657 >>4074648 But if anything, those scenes would deceive us, the readers, not Erika herself.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:25:43 2010 No.4074660

>>4074650
>Personalities swapping. You never notice it if you watch the actual person because there is not physical indication that it happens.
Again. All this is fine and dandy, except why does Erika think there are two of them? She should only think there's one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:26:43 2010 No.4074664 >>4074652 It's the same situation as that damn knock thing from EP5 then. She didn't look at it with love (thought outside the box) so she dug her own grave.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:26:43 2010 No.4074666 >>4074660 She doesn't think there's two of them when she is talking to one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:27:43 2010 No.4074668 >>4074657 Yes, that's exactly what I'm getting at. I can believe those scenes were deceiving us and that "Sayo" was the only person in the room. It's just the question then becomes "why does Erika acknowledge the existence of both Kanon and Shannon?"

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:27:43 2010 No.4074669
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When Dlanor, Cornelia and Gertrude reconstruct the scene for the knock and letter, they list Shannon and Kanon as separate people.

Erika does not object to this at all.

Ergo, Erika acknowledges them separately. Shkannon denied.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:27:43 2010 No.4074670 >>4074660 >>4074657 Erika has never...not once...said that Shannon and Kanon were two differen people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:27:43 2010 No.4074671 >>4074648 That is stated in EP5, what's the difference in EP6?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:27:43 2010 No.4074672 >>4074561 Shkanontrice is true because who were the ones left alive at the end in EP1? Her harem and her best friend......LOL!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:27:43 2010 No.4074676 >>4074670 She would have solved the Kanon-Battler closed room if she knew. She didn't and that killed her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:29:43 2010 No.4074685 >>4074668 >>4074669 Simple explanation to both. It was easier for Erika that way. It was easier that way. Erika didn't give a damn about Shannon/Kanon/Sayo or whoever. She was out to pin the crime on someone and that was ALL she focused on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:29:43 2010 No.4074686 >>4074669 Yes. Erika should be saying "Who is Shannon?" or "Who is Kanon?" Not "lol okay."

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:29:43 2010 No.4074687 >>4074668 >>4074657 These scenes were made to deceive the readers though. Ryuukishi even talks about it in an interview, saying that it was a "poison"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:29:43 2010 No.4074689 >>4074670 Erika never objects to her own underlings referring to them as separate people, for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:30:43 2010 No.4074691 >>4074685 Photographic memory. Even if her memory isn't perfect this EP, she should still notice that last ep Shannon and Kanon only existed as a single entity whenever she was in the same room with them.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:31:43 2010 No.4074699

>>4074685
You can't handwave it away like that. If she were so focused on taking down the Illusion of the Witch and she knew that Shannon and Kanon were the same person, she would've attacked that relentlessly.

Denied, son. Erika, the detective, acknowledges Shannon and Kanon separately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:31:43 2010 No.4074700 >>4074687 Yes, and we could be deceived. But Erika couldn't. Not in that EP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:31:43 2010 No.4074706 >>4074689 >>4074691 Again, it was more for convenience for Erika than anything. It helped her pin the crime on someone so she went with it. Nothing more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:31:43 2010 No.4074708 >>4074670 Why would she need to? I don't think detectives have to go around saying "oh by the way, there are all separate people" before starting each case.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:33:43 2010 No.4074714 >>4074708 >I don't think detectives have to go around saying "oh by the way, there are all separate people" before starting each case. Yeah...saying something like that is kinda important ESPECIALLY in an investigation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:33:43 2010 No.4074715 Look ,no matter how you put it, Erika doesn't know things she should know already, this eventually led to her own death and we still have no fucking clue why this happened.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:33:43 2010 No.4074716

>>4074691
>>she should still notice that last ep Shannon and Kanon only existed as a single entity whenever she was in the same room with them

Why?
I really don't understand your point.

The readers saw her talking with both Shannon and Kanon, but in the real version of these events, she was only talking to Shannon or Kanon, thinking the other was somewhere else, that's all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:33:43 2010 No.4074719 >>4074706 Lazy explanation. She should still be aware they are one person even if she's not choosing to see them as the culprit for whatever reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:34:43 2010 No.4074722 >>4074706 Care to explain why this is convenient to her in any way?

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:34:43 2010 No.4074723

My only qualm with Shannon being 2 or 3 people is that the theory requires everyone but Battler to know that Shannon has multiple personalities but conveniently forget to mention this to Battler.

Sure, there may be some decent hints to this that Battler would be able to puzzle out that Shannon/Kanon is pretending to be the other to fool him but nothing before EP5 and EP6 has suggested that it's a mental defect.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:34:43 2010 No.4074724

>>4074716
>The readers saw her talking with both Shannon and Kanon, but in the real version of these events, she was only talking to Shannon or Kanon, thinking the other was somewhere else, that's all.
Explain the scenes where they're all supposed to be in the same room and Erika never notices one of them is missing and continues on as normal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:36:43 2010 No.4074732 >>4074699 Protip: Erika has been explicitly stated to view the game 'without love'. That means that she couldn't perceive that Kanon and Shannon would even be there. She could have just been seeing Sayo the whole time who was just having mood swings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:36:43 2010 No.4074733 >>4074716 >thinking the other was somewhere else You know she deemed Natsuhi as the culprit for being "somewhere else" at the moment of the crimes, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:36:43 2010 No.4074734 >>4074687 Sure, but then Ryu's breaking the universe logic he constructed, unless there's a loophole we're not seeing.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:37:43 2010 No.4074743

>>4074723
>My only qualm with Shannon being 2 or 3 people is that the theory requires everyone but Battler to know that Shannon has multiple personalities but conveniently forget to mention this to Battler.

6 years of absence bro. Everyone thought it was normal at that point and never bothered to tell Battler about it.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:37:43 2010 No.4074744

>>4074669

Thank you. I'd like to add that as far as I understand it, at no point are Shannon and Kannon described as being terribly similar looking. You can't rely on the images for that sort of thing. Honestly all it'd take would be one line in an early episode implying a likeness, even something like "they look like they could be siblings" whenever it came up that they're not actually siblings despite acting like it.

Plus, Shkannon is such an easy answer with a ridiculous mechanism behind it. DID is incredibly rare for one, and it's a horribly over and misused device especially in anime/manga. The whole theory, especially with the addition of the third personality, ends up throwing the vast majority of the weight of the story onto a single character, making most of the others almost completely irrelevant in comparison despite how much background/development we've gotten on some of them.

It just seems too simple, yet convoluted and I have a hard time believing such large portions of some of the episodes were just elaborate red herrings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:37:43 2010 No.4074747 It's impossible she wouldn't notice they were one person in Ep.5. If she knew they were one person from Ep.5 she would use it in Ep.6. She didn't. If that's because of some POV bullshit then Umineko is crap.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:38:43 2010 No.4074754 >>4074687 You have no proof that this is what he was talking about

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:39:43 2010 No.4074763

>>4074744
>It just seems too simple, yet convoluted and I have a hard time believing such large portions of some of the episodes were just elaborate red herrings.

Dude...the last SN Ryu07 worked on had freaking parasites as the cause of insanity. Of course he's gonna pull shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:39:43 2010 No.4074767 >>4074732 That doesn't...make any sense. It sounds interesting, but please explain further.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:40:43 2010 No.4074769 >>4074744 2 words : brain parasites.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:40:43 2010 No.4074776 "Even with love, there are just some things that simply can't be seen."

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:41:43 2010 No.4074779 >>4074763 Yeah, but Shion and Mion's switching didn't come out of thin air, we knew they were twins early on. There's nothing to that effect with Shannon and Kannon, it's all circumstantial at this point.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:41:43 2010 No.4074781

>>4074638
The biggest dick move that R07 did in Five was never let us go into Erika's POV. Basically, you say "well, Erika, the detective, sees two separate people, so therefore there are two separate people". This is a good line of reasoning, but the dick move that R07 did is this: "Who is telling you that Erika saw them together?". No reliable narrator saw the reliable narrator seeing them together.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:41:43 2010 No.4074784

>>4074744
This is why I prefer to believe something like Kanon is Kumasawa's descendant (hence his real surname would be Kumasawa as well) to explain the closed room in ep6.
Sure, it's still ridiculous, but at least it doesn't involve Ryukishi pulling the same trick again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:42:43 2010 No.4074794 >>4074744 Continued to be deluded if you want, ShKanontrice is the answer though. Episode 5 was EXPLICITELY stated to be seen from a unreliable POV. I wonder why they would do that? Yeah...

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:42:43 2010 No.4074798

>>4074732
>She could have just been seeing Sayo the whole time who was just having mood swings.

Except she would have said "wait, why are you saying Shannon and Kanon? It's just Shannon." Or something.

Sorry, you've reached your dead end. Erika doesn't bring up any issue with them being separate people to the Eiserne Jungfrau, therefore she accepts that they are the same person. Unless you can bring up some kind of proof that she DIDN'T acknowledge them, you're grasping at straws and just trying to make Shkannon fit.

Go ahead, bring up some kind of proof where she denies them being separate people. I'll wait for it.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:42:43 2010 No.4074800

Wait, but is there ANY episode with Erika's POV? I don't remember any narration done by her, just scenes centered around her. And the one with Shannon and Kanon separately is one of them.
However, Piece-Battler's narration (when he sees Kinzo) and Meta-Battler's narration (he calls piece "me", in quotation marks) are different things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:43:43 2010 No.4074805 I'm so sure Ryu07 is laughing his ass off at 2ch and us this very moment...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:43:43 2010 No.4074809 >>4074794 Who gives a shit about episode 5 then? Show me some evidence in 1-4 that isn't circumstantial. Give me a line that says/implies that they look similar enough that they could pass for one another/be the same person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:44:43 2010 No.4074814 >>4074724 Because she doesn't know they are both supposed to be here. Genji could be covering for them. It's really easy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:44:43 2010 No.4074815 >>4074800 I don't think there is. Basically all of Episode 5 is a big THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:44:43 2010 No.4074817 >>4074794 Still doesn't explain why Erika is completely clueless, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:45:43 2010 No.4074822 >>4074805 He is too busy writing EP7 and his next massive troll.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:45:43 2010 No.4074824 >>4074743 Hahahaha. "Hey Battler, that's Kanon, he's new. Well actually he's Shannon in drag, and George and Jessica are both questing for his/her love." It's so normal, no one would think to bring it up.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:45:43 2010 No.4074825

>>4074767
Everyone on the island has accepted that Shannon=Kanon=Sayo. Battler doesn't know about this because LOL! It's been 6 years. Which is why, for the first 4 games as the designated detective, he didn't see Shannon and Kanon together in one place and why Kanon's corpse keeps disappearing. EP5 rolled along and Battler was relieved of that and was able to see Kanon and Shannon together in the same place. Erika took on this odd condition with a twist. Instead of not seeing Kanon and Shanon together, she was never shown Kanon and Shanon apart. Meaning that Kanon and Shanon (to us and everyone else) were two separate people while Erika only perceives one person (Sayo) because her status as Detective prevents her from seeing anything that would be illogical.

Something like that I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:45:43 2010 No.4074828 >>4074798 Only Erika's dialogues are viable in episode 5. The other characters talking is unreliable, if it isn't directed to Erika herself, because Battler was an unreliable POV.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:47:43 2010 No.4074836 >>4074814 But then, why doesn't Erika suspect the missing one is the culprit? More than that, why doesn't she find it strange that one of them is missin the whole time on an island where murders occur?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:47:43 2010 No.4074839 >>4074825 If she perceived only one person, then why wouldn't she say something about it? She says Kanon and Shannon are different people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:47:43 2010 No.4074842 ShKanontrice could work only if Erica can't count...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:47:43 2010 No.4074843 >>4074784 >Kanon >Kumasawa's descendant BRILLIANT!!!

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:48:43 2010 No.4074846

>>4074809
>>Give me a line that says/implies that they look similar enough that they could pass for one another/be the same person

Never happen, you know why?
Because it would have been FAR TOO EASY this way.

You can chalk it up to shit writing if you want.
Doesn't change the fact that ShKanontrice is the right answer to solve Umineko.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:48:43 2010 No.4074848

Where was it stated what counts as "detective's perspective" again? I keep hearing references to something in EP6 that means that nothing was seen from her perspective in EP5, but if the scene with dlanor and the knock doesn't count I don't know what does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:48:43 2010 No.4074849 >>4074828 Good news then. The Eiserne Jungfrau were talking to Erika directly, not Battler. By your own admission my screenshot counts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:49:43 2010 No.4074852 >>4074814 >Because she doesn't know they are both supposed to be here. She was about to say who the murderer was. You think she'd accept ANY excuse Genji gave for them not being there? And why didn't she ask?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:49:43 2010 No.4074855 >>4074849 That's a fucking META SCENE though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:49:43 2010 No.4074861 >>4074828 Are you even trying anymore? Seriously?

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:50:43 2010 No.4074863

Erika wouldn't ever allow one person to be absent because they're "busy", it's motherfucking Erika. Either we get an extremely twisted narration and Erika sees one person (and that fucks up her count of people and various things in this thread) or they're separate people. Or there's someone in the room we NEVER see whom she counts, while there's also Shannon alone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:50:43 2010 No.4074868 >>4074836 First time she saw Shannon. Then Kanon. Then Shannon. And she had found her ideal culprit with Natsuhi.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:50:43 2010 No.4074869

>>4074825
>while Erika only perceives one person (Sayo) because her status as Detective prevents her from seeing anything that would be illogical.
Then solving the end of EP6 would have been a piece of cake, because she'd know from the beginning that Kanon didn't exist as a separate entity.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:52:43 2010 No.4074876

>>4074839
Again, matter of convenience. Neither Shannon nor Kanon died in EP5. Erika was trying to prove that a human did the murders (denying the witch). There was no reason for her to badger Shannon/Kanon about it. It would have been a whole different story if one or both of them died.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:52:43 2010 No.4074878 Okay Shkannonfags, explain this. If they are the same person, how can Erika say she's the 18th person? Both personalities can't count as two people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:52:43 2010 No.4074879 >>4074861 This was stated in episode 6, that's why I brought it up. Because we don't see it from her POV, the interactions she doesn't take part of aren't reliable.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:52:43 2010 No.4074884

>>4074846

Yeah, okay. The lack of any implication that they look even remotely similar violates Knox 10: "It is forbidden for a character to disguise themselves as another without any clues."

It's not like someone would have to say "Hey, Kannon looks suspiciously like Shannon!" but I think some implication of likeness is required (eg. "they look like they could be siblings" etc)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:53:43 2010 No.4074886 >>4074868 God, I can't facepalm hard enough.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:53:43 2010 No.4074887

>>4074868
It doesn't matter if she doesn't think they're the culprit for whatever reason, the point is that when she wants everyone together in the same room, she's not going to accept that Shannon is dusting in the parlor. And it's never an issue at all. She never notices the absence of one of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:53:43 2010 No.4074889 How could she think there are 18 people if she saw Shannon and Kanon as Sayo all the time?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:53:43 2010 No.4074892 >>4074855 Are you really going to fight tooth and nail to defend Shkannon? Still, that doesn't mean much to me. I've provided proof which shows Erika acknowledging Shannon and Kanon. You've provided nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:53:43 2010 No.4074895 >>4074878 She can't...that was the whole reason why she got erased in EP6.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:54:43 2010 No.4074899 >>4074878 That's another issue. How can they count as either 1 or 2 people when it's convenient for the theory? For the Shkannontrice fans why are they never counted as 3?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:54:43 2010 No.4074901 >>4074879 Still doesn't explain why ERIKA HERSELF is completely clueless about the whole thing. The narration is supposed to confuse us, not the detective.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:54:43 2010 No.4074902

>>4074876
>It would have been a whole different story if one or both of them died.
Did you mean, it would have been a whole different story if she knew they were the same person all along, but didn't use that as the answer even when it would have meant her victory and saved her from certain death?

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:54:43 2010 No.4074903

>>4074878
>>Both personalities can't count as two people.
That you don't know.

Also alternate theory:

The truth of the future shapes the past.
The island is basically like the Schrödinger's cat paradox.
Nobody really know everything that happened on the island, so some people (those who write episode 1-6) make some stories about it, with the truth contained in these.

In 1998, Kanon and Shannon are still considered 2 different persons.
I can make this claim because nobody thought that they were suspicious.

So one of the truth of the future make them 2 different people.
And Beatrice of course doesn't count since she has no official existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:55:43 2010 No.4074905 File: 33 KB, 220x248, Bern trollin 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4074895 >implying she didn't say that she was the 18th person in red >implying that was the reason why she died

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:56:43 2010 No.4074911 >>4074902 Clearly so...which was why she dies. Unless it's another elaborate troll by Bern and Lambda...and with Super Hanyuu with them now...who knows.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:56:43 2010 No.4074912 >>4074903 How can we not know that? Another personality doesn't create another person, it's the same guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:56:43 2010 No.4074917 >>4074901 She isn't clueless, she is just hearing things that are completely different from us. Her vision and hearing are reliable, not us. What she saw was the truth, not us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:56:43 2010 No.4074918 >Because of your sin people die Beatrice/Shannon confirmed for mastermind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:57:43 2010 No.4074923 >>4074912 Also, one personality can only be around at the same time unless Shannon is talking to herself. It's not like Kanon controls the legs and Shannon controls the arms or some shit like that.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:57:43 2010 No.4074925

>>4074876
>There was no reason for her to badger Shannon/Kanon about it. It would have been a whole different story if one or both of them died.
GEE, THERES NO REASON FOR HER TO DO THAT, BUT ITS PERFECTLY REASONABLE TO ARGUE WITH MARIA OVER A LITTLE TRICK AND A CANDY, RIGHT?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:57:43 2010 No.4074927 Erika was erased because she couldn't solve the Kanon closed room, nothing more nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:58:43 2010 No.4074931 For ShKanon to work we would have to ignore 95% of Ep.5.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:58:43 2010 No.4074932 >>4074911 This. Everyone keeps forgetting to factor in Bern, Lambda and Super Hanyuu into this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:58:43 2010 No.4074934 >>4074917 >What she saw was the truth, not us. So, she saw Kanon and Shannon and therefore they exist as separate entities? Good to have that resolved!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:59:43 2010 No.4074939 >>4074927 Which should be the angle Shkannonfags are taking to support it. I don't see a way to break that closed room without Shkannon, and I hate the theory.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:59:43 2010 No.4074942 >>4074927 >Erika was erased because she couldn't solve the Kanon closed room, nothing more nothing else. And, if Shkannon is right, the truth should have been in front of her face in blinking neon letters.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:59:43 2010 No.4074948

>>4074925
>GEE, THERES NO REASON FOR HER TO DO THAT, BUT ITS PERFECTLY REASONABLE TO ARGUE WITH MARIA OVER A LITTLE TRICK AND A CANDY, RIGHT?

And that was why Dlanor stepped in the magic battle that ensued and called Erika an idiot for even doing so. Because it was stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:59:43 2010 No.4074949 >>4074917 Ummm... yeah, and... what are you trying to say now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 17:59:43 2010 No.4074951 >>4074934 You are really an idiot. We DON'T KNOW what she saw, because sadly, this episode wasn't seen from her POV. We don't know what she really heard as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:00:43 2010 No.4074953 Maria says Beatrice exists, thats enough for me. And dont question her sanity because out of all people in that island she's probably the most clean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:00:43 2010 No.4074959 >>4074918 This is what I will accept.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:01:43 2010 No.4074964 >>4074951 >We DON'T KNOW what she saw, because sadly, this episode wasn't seen from her POV. We know that she didn't see a single entity known as Shkannon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:01:43 2010 No.4074966 >>4074951 However, we DO know that she acknowledges them as two different people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:01:43 2010 No.4074967 >>4074939 >I don't see a way to break that closed room without Shkannon, and I hate the theory. Kanon's real surname is Kumasawa, which allows him to exist in the nonsealed room and go help Battler.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:01:43 2010 No.4074969 >>4074931 I thought it was a little weird when Kinzo started to fly.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:01:43 2010 No.4074972

>>4074934
What?! The whole thing wasn't done in Erika's POV like it was with Battler in the previous games. You can't trust anything that was perceived by anyone other than the detective! Shit for us because Battler isn't the detective anymore! FUCK MAN!

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:01:43 2010 No.4074975

>>4074876
>There was no reason for her to badger Shannon/Kanon about it.

What happened to Erika being an "intellectual rapist." She went after Natsuhi's tea party with Beato even thought it had nothing to do with anything, surely she'd have attacked Shkannon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:02:43 2010 No.4074977 >>4074953 Beatrice was confirmed not to exist in episode six.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:03:43 2010 No.4074985 >>4074966 We know that, but only later. She could have seen them alternatively. First Shannon, and later Kanon, and she didn't find them weird. That's all, I don't see what is so hard to understand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:03:43 2010 No.4074987 >>4074975 Her target was Natsuhi since the get-go. That's why.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:03:43 2010 No.4074989 >>4074977 so are we finally back to Shkannon ? inb4 WHAT IS A MAN ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:03:43 2010 No.4074992 >>4074972 But Erika herself should know what she saw. For some reason, she doesn't.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:03:43 2010 No.4074993

>>4074975
Didn't you get the memo? Erika only cares about hidden secrets and chaos as long as it doesn't overturn Shkannon. When it comes to things like an entire island of people convinced one person is actually two people, she's very sensitive to their privacy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:04:43 2010 No.4074999 >>4074967 Okay, and now what evidence do we have to support the revelation that Kanon is Kumasawa's son/grandson?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:04:43 2010 No.4075001 >>4074992 Again, we could have perceived something different since we all know how reliable Battler's POV is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:04:43 2010 No.4075002 POV arguments are getting tiresome. It's written in the THIRD PERSON. How can you say that it's from Battler's POV?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:04:43 2010 No.4075006 File: 16 KB, 244x237, Jessicaclose.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4074989 Jessitrice

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:04:43 2010 No.4075007 >>4074985 >First Shannon, and later Kanon, and she didn't find them weird. And she didn't notice one of them was missing in all the scenes where she told everyone to stay together? Didn't notice one of them missing at the climax of the case?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:05:43 2010 No.4075013 >>4074993 >>4074992 You guys are trying too hard. Tell me, why would she suspect ShKanon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:05:43 2010 No.4075014 >>4074993 Oh, right, I must have missed that one. What a kind considerate person!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:05:43 2010 No.4075015 >>4075006 Please don't give a reason for everyone to gang up on that theory.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:05:43 2010 No.4075016 >>4074985 >and she didn't find them weird This is the weird part.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:05:43 2010 No.4075019 God if this all is true Erika is even more incompetent than Battler, which is a pretty impressive feat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:06:43 2010 No.4075024 >>4075002 It's a question of POV, not narration. And it's stated in the game itself, blame R07.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:07:43 2010 No.4075032 >>4075007 Someone could have told her that either Shannon or Kanon was missing, for a simple errand or some shit like this. It's pretty simple really

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:07:43 2010 No.4075033

>>4074999
First of all, they don't even have to be related, they could just happen to share surname.

It's implied that the orphans are not so unrelated to the family, and Kanon's real name has always been a mystery for some reason, and even when he tells we still don't know his surname.
We don't know either why Kumasawa is so trusted as a servant despite not having the one-winged eagle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:08:43 2010 No.4075038 >>4075032 >Someone could have told her that either Shannon or Kanon was missing, for a simple errand or some shit like this. While people were dying and she was INSISTING everyone gather? Also, why wouldn't she at least ask where one of them was?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:08:43 2010 No.4075041 >>4075032 >missing >for an errand What errand? You think she wouldn't find that a little strange?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:09:43 2010 No.4075042 >>4075024 >And it's stated in the game itself, blame R07. Where?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:09:43 2010 No.4075044 >>4075032 She suspects Kinzo's existence, but she has no problem with something like this, uh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 18:09:43 2010 No.4075045 >>4075033 That's an incredibly shaky foundation, but I'll take it over Shkannontrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:00:43 2010 No.4075053 >>4075044 "Don't mind Shannon, she ran down to the store to get some bread." "<Good!> Now to continue with my unmasking of the culprit!"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:01:43 2010 No.4075055 >>4075045 I forgot to mention, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned at some point that Kumasawa was very motherly towards Kanon and Shannon. That seems like a hint to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:03:43 2010 No.4075064 So is Shkannon denied or what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:05:43 2010 No.4075084 >>4075064 I don't think so. Ryukishi will probably pull some crap. Besides, it's either that or Kanon is related to Kumasawa like that other anon said.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:09:43 2010 No.4075111

>>4075084
I think it's taking on water, even if it hasn't been denied. The whole thing is a lot weirder than people are making it out to be.

The problem is framed more like two understuffed teddy bears fighting one another for the other's stuffing as opposed to one overstuffed teddy bear trying to expel the excess. Because, really, if it was just about killing a personality and taking over your shared body, why would you need a butterfly brooch as an excuse to do that?

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:15:43 2010 No.4075139

>>4075064

I'm against it, but I don't think we've completely killed it. It does make a very strong circumstantial case, but there are a lot of issues that none of it's proponents seem to be able (or willing) to solve satisfactorily.

Here are the major issues that've been brought up (I may have missed something):

- Erika indirectly acknowledges both Shannon and Kannon as individuals >>4074669

- There is no indication that they look even remotely similar to one another (beyond sprites, but one could make similar arguments for any number of unrelated characters). Without some hint to this effect Shkannon should be in violation of Knox's 10th.

- Person count varies as it is convenient for a given version of the theory. At times the alleged personalities count as separate people, other times they count as one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:19:43 2010 No.4075160 >>4075139 Differing ages too, if we're talking about Shkannontrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:21:43 2010 No.4075168 >>4075139 >Erika indirectly acknowledges both Shannon and Kannon as individuals This is the big one for me. The only way I can see out of it is if Shkannon isn't the answer to the closed room. But then that would torpedo the side of Shkannon itself.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 19:28:43 2010 No.4075202

Since this is an Umineko thread I suppose, been wondering if anyone has download links for Episode 4 so I can reread it and have a friend who's interested in reading it. The links I had before are dead so I'd appreciate it greatly for any anons who have it. (I'd prefer MegaUpload links of anyone has them please.)

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 20:43:43 2010 No.4075725

I still think the solution of the "17 people desu" redtext is that Erika never existed on the island. Notice how at several points she uses "magic" (ie redtext) and rules of the metaworld (the "detective privilege") to enforce her authority, hinting that she herself is part of the fantasy obscuring the truth.

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