Well, you could guess that Battler was going to be the head, but this is definite foreshadowing if I ever saw any.

File: 48 KB, 644x504, hmmm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:08:42 No.4053362 [Reply] [Original]

Well, you could guess that Battler was going to be the head, but this is definite foreshadowing if I ever saw any.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:11:42 No.4053374 But George is the Demon King of Rokkenjima.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:11:42 No.4053378 literature expert ITT

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:11:42 No.4053383 Ryukishi will still fuck it up.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:12:42 No.4053388 GET OUT UMINEKO DEVS GO BACK TO GAMEFAQS

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:18:42 No.4053412

This was obvious since Episode 5. Battler is the correct person to succeed Kinzo.

...Well personality wise atleast. Battler can't even figure out the Epitah puzzle. I can't either of course but thats because it seems like a bunch of Japanese wordplay.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:18:42 No.4053414 In b4 Battler discovers magic goes back in time and literally becomes Kinzo.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:19:42 No.4053419 >>4053412 It's actually Japanese foreplay. It's what Kinzo used to say to Beato every night.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:20:42 No.4053421 >>4053414 Dont doom it man. Fuck. Now i know this is going to happen. Fuck you anonymous, you always jinx my shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:20:42 No.4053423 File: 394 KB, 640x480, 1261715667891.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053414 Don't give him ideas, you motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:21:42 No.4053428 >>4053414 hence why Umineko is also not a traditional mystery as stated by R07. Battler will get real magic by the end of umineko and go back in time and become Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:21:42 No.4053430 >>4053412 Did I say Episode 5? I mean episode 4. Fuck I shouldnt be up at 3:21 in the goddamn morning.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:22:42 No.4053437 >>4053423 We already discussed this. Also akasawhoever is Archer-Battler.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:22:42 No.4053440

I remember hearing that ep5 spoiler that Battler would be the family head without any context given. I was so excited. I was so excited. But then the translation came out, I was sorely disappointed.

Likewise, Endless Sorcerer Battler. Awesomest thing ever? Not according to ep6.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:23:42 No.4053450 >>4053437 So Archer-Battler is the one who gave up on his ideals to bone a nonexistent woman, and Kinzo-Battler drowned in them.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:24:42 No.4053454 File: 149 KB, 562x437, 1259419989944.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053414 >>4053421 >>4053423 >>4053428

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:24:42 No.4053458 >>4053414 That's the only way he'll get a tangible Beatrice who isn't just a figment of someone's imagination. She'll die because of Rosa but it's better than what Battler's got now.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:26:42 No.4053467 File: 87 KB, 1280x720, 1248412180418.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053458 So we get an endless recursion of time bullshit ending that dooms his own family to dying in a multitude of worlds, just so he can fuck a girl. I hate shippers.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:26:42 No.4053468 File: 21 KB, 186x235, 1259417597677.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You now realize Battler's obsessions with Beatrice as of ep. 6, his clothes, his personality, and his backstory are all mirror to kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:26:42 No.4053469 >>4053458 How can you say that Beatrice is the figment and not Shkanon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:28:42 No.4053477 >>4053467 They're dead anyway. They can't be brought back. It's better to hope for Battler to become Kinzo rather than the Kinzo 0.5 alpha version he is now.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:29:42 No.4053480 >>4053467 He's shipping something but not the pairing we all know and love.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:29:42 No.4053484 >>4053477 What if it's the other way around and Kinzo was the one becoming like Battler, we just haven't realized it yet.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:30:42 No.4053490 >>4053484 what you said literally makes no sense because Kinzo hasn't had any change in character.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:31:42 No.4053492 >>4053484 I just sprained my little gray cells wrapping my head around that post.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:31:42 No.4053497 >>4053480 Indeed. I don't care who Battler ends up with. He just needs to get his dick wet by something real and that hasn't already been ravaged by his fat creepy virgin cousin.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:32:42 No.4053502 >>4053497 >been ravaged >by virgin wat?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:33:42 No.4053511 >>4053497 Leave Jessica, Ange, and the mothers. Eva and Natsuhi are probably a no go, being faithful.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:33:42 No.4053512 >>4053468 FFFFFFFFFFFFF-

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:33:42 No.4053515 Battler is not going to become Kinzo, seriously. The parallels in the beginning of the episode are both obvious and obviously deliberate, but he has his waifu back by the end. Unless she dies again. In which case who the fuck knows.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:33:42 No.4053516 >>4053502 George being a virgin immediately prior to the time of ravaging. Argue the semantics if you wish. Umineko fans love to do that.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:35:42 No.4053526 >>4053516 that never happened.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:36:42 No.4053529 >>4053515 >Battler is not going to become Kinzo, seriously B-But, it's the only good thing Battler's got going left. If he can't become Kinzo then what is left?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:37:42 No.4053537 >>4053529 You have the badass who would rather cut himself into pieces small enough to go through a bathroom drain rather than betray any part of his waifu and who tells Erika she can fuck herself even as she's torturing him into insanity.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:38:42 No.4053542 >>4053529 Meta world is dead to me, as long as piece gets to fuck someone, I can at least hope that everyone in meta is erased.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:38:42 No.4053545 >>4053537 That's good... for a start. Battler just needs to complete the transformation and it will be even better.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:42:42 No.4053556 >>4053542 I suppose you're better than those who completely abandon the human world, thus finding no problems in all of the characters being paired perfectly off with all the different versions of Shannon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:43:42 No.4053558 I understand why people keep saying Amakusa is somehow related to Battler.Stakes's Valentine Day and ihihi kinda give it away.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:45:42 No.4053565 >>4053558 I thought Amakusa went 'hihihihi' whereas Battler goes 'ihihihihi'. It was like this the last time I checked in ep6, might've been different for the Stake's V-day.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:46:42 No.4053567 >>4053558 Amakusa is heavily implied to be evil at the end of EP6, so I sure hope he's not Battler.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:46:42 No.4053570 >>4053565 By abandoning his love for Beatrice, he abandoned a part of himself, namely his laugh, which is now inverted. My logic is flawless.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:47:42 No.4053574 >>4053567 He actually exists in Ep6 after Super Hanyuu shows off her medals?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:48:42 No.4053578 >>4053570 I can find no holes in your argument. I must now accept this as the superior theory which should be used in all current understandings of Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:48:42 No.4053579 File: 22 KB, 512x384, 1257220051885.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053558 Amakusa = Archer Ange = Rin Battler = Shirou Beato = Saber

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:49:42 No.4053582 >>4053579 How many times must we do this?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:49:42 No.4053584 >>4053582 All night long, baby

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:50:42 No.4053585 >>4053579 So would Shannon = Sakura?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:50:42 No.4053588 >>4053574 Yep. After Ange leaves Super Hanyuu, she goes out to meet Amakusa, who's making an extremely shady phone call with Okonogi.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:52:42 No.4053594 File: 38 KB, 144x191, 1258413877281.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053515 >Battler is not going to become Kinzo Battler IS Kinzo you foooooooooool! Ahahahahaha!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:52:42 No.4053595 >>4053567 what he do in EP6 that make you think he is evil?tell me.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:52:42 No.4053599 >>4053585 She's implied to be lusting after all three of the cousins genitalia, not even minding that one is a woman, so yes, she's about as much of a slut as Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:53:42 No.4053603 Rudolf = Lancer Kinzo = Kotomine Maria = Illiya Eva = Caster

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:54:42 No.4053604

>>4053595
When Ange is done talking with Tooya, she has to go out to meet Amakusa, who was making a phone call. Ange doesn't hear it, but we do--it's with Okonogi and it's super shady with fairly dark music playing in the background. Okonogi tells Amakusa, among other thing, that the Sumaderas "aren't his enemy" and he can do what he wants.

>>	Annoying Type-Moon Fan !SHIKIazrn2 Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:54:42 No.4053605 Kinzo is more like Zouken

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 05:56:42 No.4053610 >>4053604 Though you should probably take that with a grain of salt, as my moonspeak isn't very strong. But it was very blatantly shady and ominous as hell.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:00:42 No.4053619 >>4053414 so Battler is Fry?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:09:42 No.4053659 >>4053604 Why must Ryuukishi ruin all the pairings in Umineko? Granted, the middle aged pairings are top-notch but not a single of the young pairings were spared in Ep6 it seems.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:09:42 No.4053661 File: 53 KB, 201x613, amakusahat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053604 I hope he have a larger role in the next episode.He is kinda cool.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:13:42 No.4053678 >>4053659 To tell the truth I never really cared for JessicaXKanon or GeorgeXShannon. They both were poorly developed and forced.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:18:42 No.4053691 >>4053659 thta's because the cousin pairings are BORING, whereas the old ones have been always interesting, let it be, it's a good change from the usual VN

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:18:42 No.4053692

>>4053678
Nor I to be honest. Hell, I supported ShKanon when I thought that would give Beato a chance as a piece on Rokkenjima. I sure feel like an idiot.

But Ryuukishi's blatant disregard for those pairings that he himself attempted to develop, poorly developed, but attempted to nonetheless. I don't know, it's just... And it's only made worse by his seeming belief that with just a touch of magic, they can all still be valid.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:19:42 No.4053699 >>4053659 I don't know, man, I think Ange and Amakusa are even hotter to me if he's evil.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:20:42 No.4053706 >>4053691 >cousin pairings More like cousin orgy, unfortunately not with each other, but all piling atop the meat bag that is Shannon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:21:42 No.4053707 >>4053678 what did you expect, the only important part in their relationships is the Shkanon problem, that's it Also at least GeorgexShannon isn't as forced, the other one is just plain boring

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:24:42 No.4053716

>>4053707
>the other one is just plain boring
This, I will rage like a motherfucker if Jessica turns out to be relatively normal, because he made that pairing fucking awful. Bitch needs to be evil, or something to make her interesting. Kanon just needs to not exist, the character sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:25:42 No.4053717 why can't he do shkanon and Jessitrice, it would be the perfect ending, shannonxgeorge and jessicaxbattler, no one is left alone, just kanon dissapears, but no, he has to do shkanontrice

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:25:42 No.4053718 >>4053692 Well, nothing it confirmed yet. My personal feelings are that Shkannon is probable, but Shannontrice has enough room and a few holes, or at least odd questions, that I'm willing to wait and see.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:25:42 No.4053719 >>4053692 It'll become important later when Battler sacrifices them all to revive Beatrice for realz this time.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:27:42 No.4053729 >>4053468 You now realize Kinzo didn't appear in EP6 at all

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:30:42 No.4053739

>>4053599
I can only imagine what Ryuukishi was thinking.

"Surely because Sakura is such a compelling character in F/SN I must create an equally compelling character. But what was compelling about her again? Is she even compelling at all? No wait, she was raped by a grandfather type figure and turned into a slut. Surely, that's what makes Sakura such a great character. I will emulate it.

However, Sakura only seemed to have two personas, one good and one more spiteful. Hmmm... How can I beat that? I know! I will make my character have three personas that are completely different. Forget the dichotomy of good and dark. I'm making mine be girl/boy/witch. Yes I am brilliant!"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:30:42 No.4053740 >>4053729 he wasn 'dissapear' after all, the strange par is that Battler talks about 'showing it to him' I thought he was referring to Kinzo, but he didn't appeared later

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:31:42 No.4053742 >>4053739 Your train of logic is so offtrack on so many levels, it's ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:31:42 No.4053746 File: 62 KB, 704x480, ryukishi07.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053739 Get out of my mind.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:33:42 No.4053754 >>4053717 No, there are more ways for it to work out, such as ShkanontriceXBattler and GeorgeXJessica. Afterall George and Jessica are both so boring that they deserve each other.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:33:42 No.4053755 >>4053739 >>4053746 I chortled.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:34:42 No.4053760 >>4053742 >Offtrack logic >Shoehorning of connections between F/SN and Umineko. Surely you jest.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:34:42 No.4053761 >>4053754 Fuck you, George is awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:35:42 No.4053764 >>4053754 yeah, and that's good for Eva too, but george likes domestic girls

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:36:42 No.4053767 >>4053754 Fuck no, Battler deserves more than damaged goods Shannon. Plus if she disguises herself as Kanon, she doesn't even have huge tits, Jessica or Rosa is the only path.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:36:42 No.4053768 File: 282 KB, 500x400, Roxas_Sora_Xion__3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053742 I agree. Ryuukishi was clearly emulating another masterpiece.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:38:42 No.4053775 >>4053767 >implying osa isn't the most damaged in the bunch that would lust for a cock even in a coma

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:39:42 No.4053781 >>4053775 *Rosa

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:39:42 No.4053783 >>4053767 >implying Jessica isn't a lesbian

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:40:42 No.4053785 >>4053775 She has standards though, she wouldn't touch that faggot George.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:40:42 No.4053786 >>4053775 Rosa at least has tits. Shannon's damaged too but also has no tits. What is she good for?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:41:42 No.4053790 >>4053786 Absolutely nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:41:42 No.4053792 File: 134 KB, 750x624, jessicashannon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053783

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:42:42 No.4053799 >>4053739 >No wait, she was raped by a grandfather type figure and turned into a slut. Is this sort of thing popular in VNs?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:43:42 No.4053802 >>4053799 Only one's based off of F/SN.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:43:42 No.4053803 >>4053792 There was a time when I would've laughed at the ridiculousness of it. Now, pardon me while I cry myself to sleep.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:44:42 No.4053808 >>4053792 I would kill Ryukishi, then myself. Ronery hobo end for Battler and George, just shoot the dykes.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:44:42 No.4053809 >>4053799 Technically, Zoken is not the one doing the raping, just the worm abuse. Shinji picked up the sexual duties.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:45:42 No.4053813 >>4053802 People used to describe the magic fights in Umineko as being F/SN like. It seems that the description can be applied to more things. >>4053799 Tsukihime had a servant girl get raped by that type of character as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:45:42 No.4053815 I thought the Kinzo rape was quite obvious I shannon case it's possible that she created Kanon -I the possible Jessica's case, that she created another persona (which couldn't be denied by red)

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:45:42 No.4053817

- George says something about becoming the right gentlemen to handle girls. He also wants to become a proper man for the proper women, as he wasn't popular with the ladies growing up (?).
- Shannon says she understands the feeling of wanting to impress. She also does things to attract the guys.
- Apparently a flashback to when Battler talks naturally to Shannon. George was jealous of Battler.
- George says he gathers up the courage to confess to Shannon. She wants to know what he has in mind.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:46:42 No.4053821 >>4053808 What are you talking about, Battler has an entire HAREM at his highschool. Though ya, George would become a ronery hobo.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:47:42 No.4053826

>>4053813
Fights are notjhing alike, for better or for worse.
Makihisa is a father figure, technically.

Rape existing somewhere in the story (Umineko in our ridiculous theories) does not make for similar stories.

Even the 3 TM examples are vastly different (as to how, why and the result)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:47:42 No.4053828 >>4053821 Now if only Battler can get off that island alive and for his piece to not be affected in any way by the insanity of his meta-version.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:48:42 No.4053829 >>4053817 And Ange hates virgins like George.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:49:42 No.4053835 >>4053828 it's meta-Battler the one who should return home, son he stays as a ronery faggot longing for Beatrice

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:49:42 No.4053837 shannon being rape victim is too...predictable. jessica on the other hand, I don't know if r07 has the balls to do a triple incest rape romance story. if he does, we are the winners.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:49:42 No.4053838 >>4053829 Is it ever explained why Ange hates him? Thinking he's a fucking dork, I can understand, but why the hate?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:50:42 No.4053840 Out of curiosity, how many of you people bitching have actually played and understood the episode?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:50:42 No.4053842 >>4053837 You standards for great stories are weird.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:50:42 No.4053844 >>4053837 This, I used to abhor Jessitrice, but in light of the knowledge we have, it's sounding pretty fucking awesome right about now.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:50:42 No.4053846

>>4053826
>Rape existing somewhere in the story (Umineko in our ridiculous theories) does not make for similar stories.

This man is right. And the only reason why rape is so often used in media is because it's good and makes for compelling drama. They don't usually turn into sluts after rapes in most cases but... COMPELLING CHARACTER DRAMA!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:51:42 No.4053847 >>4053838 In EP6, Ange said he hates gentlemen like George because they smell like virgins

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:51:42 No.4053848 >>4053840 I played. Now, 'understood' is a tall order..

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:52:42 No.4053855 >>4053837 he had to forshadow it, it's not predictable, just one solution

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:53:42 No.4053860 >>4053844 You too huh? Remember when Ep5 spoilers came out and BeatricexBattler was made canon and we all rejoiced at the same time denouncing Jessitrice like no tomorrow? I don't.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:54:42 No.4053862 >>4053848 >Now, 'understood' is a tall order.. Welcome to Rokkenjima. Unless you meant you read it in Atlas or something.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:55:42 No.4053868

>>4053848
No one could understand higurashi until it was over either.

Higurashi- it was all a bitches biological testing... thing
Magic made it an issue because Rika had trouble accepting she was dead, or at least her grandma or whoever the fuck that was.

I imagine this will end as neatly.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:57:42 No.4053877 >>4053868 >I imagine this will end as neatly. Oh come now. Have some faith. When has R07 given us any reason to doubt his writing abilities throughout Umineko?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:57:42 No.4053878 >>4053860 right now it's the best solution, Shkanontrice is just too much, though I wouldn't put it past the perso who created the 'spacial brain parasytes'

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 06:58:42 No.4053884

>>4053868
While what causes the BEHAVIOR and the loops was up for grasps, what happened in each case was way more glaring (as in, what characters were involved and what they did) in the question arcs and it became clearer in the answers.
This is quite a crank up on the ridiculous and unclear circumstances. (Plus a few people are fucking nuts without the parasites)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:00:42 No.4053890 >>4053878 Personally I believe Kanontrice, Shannontrice seems too predictable and Shkanon is not as likely as people like to think.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:00:42 No.4053891 What do our friends across the Pacific at 2ch think of ShKanontrice in light of Ep6?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:01:42 No.4053897 >>4053891 someone said they're also debating it, like most umineko boards now

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:01:42 No.4053899 >>4053884 Can you say that in red? Thought not

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:01:42 No.4053900

>>4053838
- George himself describes himself that was the same. How he wanted to grow up and become a splendid man. He asks her if he has grown. She likens him to a butterly leaving it's chrysalis. She finds his slight negativity different from his usual cheery attitude.
- George says something about becoming the right gentlemen to handle girls. He also wants to become a proper man for the proper women, as he wasn't popular with the ladies growing up (?).
- Shannon says she understands the feeling of wanting to impress. She also does things to attract the guys.
- Apparently a flashback to when Battler talks naturally to Shannon. George was jealous of Battler.
- George says he gathers up the courage to confess to Shannon. She wants to know what he has in mind.
- Side scene to Ange and Featherine. Sort of sappy for Ange, but Featherine finds his attempts respectable.
- Flashback by George on Jessica and Battler. Apparently in his rush to become an adult he sort of looked down on both of them as childish. He says something about an inferiority complex that made him think like this. George says so much it's hard to translate I'm sorry.
- Side scene Featherine talks about heterosexual relationships. Ange says something about how natural (?) in communication Jessica and Battler are. She seems rather disgusted at George. The rest of this scene I can't translate properly.
- George says these times were the times he was most arrogant. In Shannon however he would realize he was a fool. He says one day while with Shannon he woudl realize that he was the one who was childish.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:02:42 No.4053902 >>4053890 I think you're just gay. The only good part about Shkanontrice is lesbian Jessica. Instead, you would be in favor of Kanontrice and thus homolust? I like the way you think.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:04:42 No.4053908 >>4053899 Hard to say it, since I have to type here.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:05:42 No.4053913 >>4053908 I think you're not trying hard enough. I've won this time.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:06:42 No.4053915 >>4053913 I chortled. Never change /jp/

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:08:42 No.4053919

>>4053900

George has a good head on his shoulders, and big dreams to accomplish.

Remember EP2 where he said Shannon changed him for the better? Getting a girlfriend boosted his confidence, and gave him the drive to become a successful man (building his castle etc.). This type of revelation about George being kinda like a dork beforehand is not unexpected.

Ange's a bit of a jerk though, but she had an abusive childhood and had to toughen herself up and rely on herself since the beginning.

How old was George again? Who was born first, him or Natsuhi's orphan kid?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:08:42 No.4053920 >>4053900 sounds like george is still a faggot and shannon still a whore. ange is still a manly bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:09:42 No.4053929 >>4053919 George is 23 I believe.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:09:42 No.4053930 >>4053919 George is 21-23

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:09:42 No.4053932 >>4053919 George is the oldest 24 years old.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:10:42 No.4053935 >>4053913 Won what?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:10:42 No.4053936 >>4053920 It sounds like Ange doesn't know what does love mean.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:11:42 No.4053937 >>4053919 so the part about Ange saying she hates virgins is not true?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:13:42 No.4053941 >>4053937 Yes It just show that Ange doesn't know the meaning of love.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:13:42 No.4053943 >>4053937 It's true.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:14:42 No.4053946

>>4053937
An exaggeration much like many spoilers I think. I thought what she said was that George acting like a gentleman all the time reeked of creepy virgin or something to that effect.

Obviously she's not putting purity on much of a high pedestal but she's been privileged by the penises of many of her bodyguards. Who are we to question her judgement?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:14:42 No.4053949 >>4053936 bronove said it, man gives two fuck about love, it's about blood and honor.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:19:42 No.4053959 >>4053946 oh Ange

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:24:42 No.4053977 File: 55 KB, 645x507, georgeis22.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4053919 >George >Age

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:32:42 No.4054011 What was the proof for Shkanon exactly? And what disproved Jessitrice? None of the spoilers seem to point to this from what I've been exposed to.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:37:42 No.4054039

>>4054011
ShKanontrice has a lot of fucking hints:

-Never shown together by a detective POV

-Detective never sees Kanon's body from up close

-Kanon's body also completely disappear in episode 2, 4 and 6.

-Every "indentity of the body confirmed" in red always avoid Shannon for some reason.

-Zombie Kanon in episode 2

-How George died in episode 3.

-How Jessica was guided by Kanon's voice in episode 3

-Suit Beatrice knows about Battler english, Shannon talk about it in episode 3.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:40:42 No.4054049

>>4054011

>Kanon and Shannon live in the same room, sleep in the same bed.
>If Shannon quits her job, Kanon will also quit
>If Shannon accepts George proposal, she will never go back to Rokkenjima and will separate from Kanon (implied forever).
>If Kanon wins then he will take care of both Shannon and Jessica.
>If Shannon wins, she will leave the island with Kanon
>If Kanon admit that he loves Jessica, he and Shannon will have to settle things seriously between each other
>Shannon's happiness hurt Kanon
>Shannon and Kanon exist by hurting each other.
>If Shannon wins, Kanon will have to leave and never see Jessica again
>Shannon and Kanon have a duel to the death. Shannon kills Kanon, and on the game board, Kanon's body disappears right in front of Jessica
>Kanon's spirit afterwards talks about beings with bodies in a way that indicates he is not one of them

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:40:42 No.4054051 >-Zombie Kanon in episode 2 rolls eyes How exactly does ShKanon explain this?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:41:42 No.4054060 >>4054051 ShKanon doesn't. ShKanontrice does.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:44:42 No.4054074

>>4054039
those clues are just to prove Shkanon, the engrish is easy, Jessica just doesn't remember because is sealed in another personality. Also a hint for Jessitrice
ep3 end, Nanjo's murder, Beato, when asked about is Jessica had another personality, instead of just denying it she went really roundabout and denied that her body had anything to do,, why would she go to such extents when the solution was easier?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:45:42 No.4054082 Ok ok.I understand how Shannon = Beatrice is formed but i don't get it why Kannon is created to begin with?Why lol?

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:46:42 No.4054086

>>4054082
It's Shannon's hobby to form split personalities to pair off people in the Ushiromiya family who are single. Wait till you see the persona she has in the works for Rosa. She also already has preliminary designs for Maria's imaginary boyfriend when she becomes of age.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:47:42 No.4054088 >>4054060 Shkanon does the same way you people are just too focused on Shkanontrice, like children with a new toy

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:47:42 No.4054089 >>4054086 Ahahaha..oh god.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:48:42 No.4054093

>>4054074
Beatrice in the real world doesn't look like Beatrice at all.
She isn't blond, she isn't peppy, she is compleltely different from Jessica.

>>4054082
Kanon is a protector.
Notice how he always says that his "job" is to look over Shannon.
Or how he always appear like a ninja after Shannon talked with someone, always hearing everything.
He was probably created to deal with Kinzo too, since it's stated that Kanon was pretty close to Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:50:42 No.4054095 >>4054088 That's because ShKanontrice pretty much solve everything. Jessitrice has too much holes. Remember the first part of episode 2. How Beatrice interacted with Shannon and Kanon. What could be the signification of Shannon breaking the mirror?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:52:42 No.4054104 >>4054095 The mirror showed her true identity as kanon. Shannon never existed

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:53:42 No.4054106 What if you are wrong?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:54:42 No.4054109 >>4054106 I think everyone would be overjoyed if Shkannon and Shkannontrice were wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:54:42 No.4054113 >>4054095 Well, not everything, but you get the idea. Also, Shkanontrice still has a hurdle to pass, which is the "definition of a person". We can't answer that, until Ryukishi does so, because it's a semantic thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:55:42 No.4054117 >>4054104 Kanon had nothing to do with the mirror though. Beatrice did.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:56:42 No.4054119 >>4054113 Yeah, but semantic about "person" is the only thing that can solve episode 6 last riddle.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:56:42 No.4054120

>>4054093
and what tells you that Jesica, just to approach Battler and ask what type of girl he likes, disguised herself as Shannon for a time and then the conversation happened
that shannon and Beatrice exchanged themselves was one of the basis of the pony theory

Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:58:42 No.4054135

>>4054120
Why the fuck wouln't Battler recognize his own cousing?
That's stupid and needlessly confusing.

And doesn't change the fact that a lot of the murders are impossible for Jessica.

Except if you think she has DID too, 2 different people on the island suffering from it would be a bit too much, I think.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 07:59:42 No.4054138 >>4054119 >the only thing that can solve episode 6 last riddle. Fuck you, pretentious faggot. Don't even begin to tell me you've worked out every possible solution.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 08:00:42 No.4054150 >>4054138 Theres nothing to solve because theres no real logic here.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 3, 2010 08:02:42 No.4054163 >>4054138 There's nothing pretentious about it. What the fuck can solve "There's 18 people" "There's 17 people" Both being definite statement and both being true. Only using a different definition of people could work. It's not difficult.

Reply to thread

Name
E-mail
Subject
Comment
Action

Advanced search
Text to find
Subject [?]Search by post subject. Leave empty for any.
Username [?]Search for user name. Leave empty for any user name.
Tripcode [?]Search for tripcode. Leave empty for any.
Email [?]Search by email. Leave empty for any.
Filename [?]Search by image filename. Leave empty for any.
From Date [?]Enter what date to start searching from. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
To Date [?]Enter what date to start searching until. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
Image hash
Search in	All Posts OPs Only
Deleted posts	Show all posts Show only deleted posts Only show non-deleted posts
Internal posts	Show all posts Show only internal posts Show only archived posts
Order	New posts first Old posts first
Capcode	All Posts Only by Users Only by Mods Only by Admins Only by Developers
Results	Posts Threads
Action	[ Simple ]

/jp/ - Otaku Culture