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New Thread : >>4042975

Last time: Umineko is a fiction about a piece of fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:55:38 2010 No.4044111 Yo dawg...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:55:38 2010 No.4044114 Also, Amakusa definitely exists, so I think you guys are getting partially trolled.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:56:38 2010 No.4044121

To recap: The only piece of truth in episodes 1-2 is that the entire family died. The only piece of truth revealed in episodes 3-6 is that an author is writing these episodes.

99% Of all of Umineko isn't real, including the scenes with Ange where she grew up with her Aunt Eva.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:57:38 2010 No.4044124 >>4044114 Fake spoilers are fun. This is definitely more fun than when I tried to hold off on Episode 5 spoilers for about two months and everyone was already really calm about it at that point

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:58:38 2010 No.4044126 >>4044121 If this turns out to be true even slightly, what a waste of an emotional investment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:58:38 2010 No.4044127 >>4044114 No one returned from the island, Amakusa doesn't exist because Eva couldn't have brought Ange up in the first place. Amakusa is just some character written by Featherine and resides in her imagination.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:58:38 2010 No.4044128 >>4044121 So what's with that Amakusa in the very first scene where we see super Hanyuu?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:58:38 2010 No.4044129 >>4044124 It's not nice to take advantage of people when they're already depressed and confused, anon.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:58:38 2010 No.4044130

Was it ever directly stated that Ange came from the third game?
If not, the meta-world thing is solvable.

Basically we all thought that Ange come from the third game since she is showed at the end of it and because Eva only return alive in it.

But what if it in the "true" version of the event, Eva also returned alive, and maybe some others too who changed identity (Amakusa = Battler?)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:59:38 2010 No.4044132 >>4044128 Amakusa exists, EP6 Ange thinks back to going on a journey after Eva died, you guys are getting trolled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:00:38 2010 No.4044137 >>4044128 The super Hanyuu was just imagining him, unless it was in a universe where Ange was never raised by her aunt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:02:38 2010 No.4044142 >>4044132 Human Ange (not Meta Ange who talks to Featherine) also flashes back to reviving Sakutarou for Maria, so make of that what you will.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:03:38 2010 No.4044149 >>4044132 >>4044130 That the thing though, Eva never returned back alive. Apparently episode 3 was written by the author revealed in episode 6. She made up the story about Eva come back alive, and she wrote the story of Ange looking for answers as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:05:38 2010 No.4044158 >>4044149 Was it directly stated that Eva never returned alive?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:07:38 2010 No.4044164 >>4044158 Again, as EP6 Ange wakes up, she thinks about Aunt Eva dying and going on a journey afterwards, so no.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:07:38 2010 No.4044165

If you want to be really depressing and rageful, basically, without accepting magic, the only world of any importance is 1998. Episodes one through two were written by "Beatrice", the rest were written by some author who has no way of actually understanding what happened, despite claiming that she's reached the truth of the story. Ange exists, Amakusa exists, the rest are just fictional depictions of people that used to exist.

Yeah, enjoy your EP6.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:07:38 2010 No.4044168

>>4044132
>>4044142
Except human Ange and Amakusa are characters in a story written by Featherine. Her story is based off of real events in Umineko though, namely: The Ushiromiya family died on Rokkenjima, and Ushiromiya Ange wasn't able to attend and was the only survivor.

Besides that information though, everything is something that Featherine wrote for her amusement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:08:38 2010 No.4044179 >>4044165 So it's either accept magic, or accept depressing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:09:38 2010 No.4044190 The fact that there are two letters with two different scenarios written out by "Maria" means that there are definietly some type of multiple world thing occurring.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:09:38 2010 No.4044192 >>4044168 Please stop trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:09:38 2010 No.4044193 ...if this shit is true, then I really wonder how Umineko is going to end.. So that means Battler and the family will never return home. FUCK THIS SHIT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:10:38 2010 No.4044201 >>4044179 Oh, and accept the fact that if this meta-fiction bullshit continues, it's been foreshadowed that Ange can just "write" the ending she wants when she finds the truth. Because THAT'S emotionally satisfying.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:10:38 2010 No.4044203

>>4044158
>>4044164
No, Eva never returned back alive.

Episodes 1-2 were fictions written by Maria about how she interpreted the events that went down on Rokkenjima. The most important thing from the first two episodes is that -everyone died-

Featherine than picked up the story, and mixed in magic, made of Kakeras, meta-worlds, witches and the like. Supposedly so that her books would sell better. Episodes 3-6 are her just screwing around with what happened on the island, and Eva returning/Ange being some subplot that never actually happened.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:11:38 2010 No.4044210 ITT: People easily taken in by trolling based solely on spoilers of Featherine having written the events of ep3-6.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:12:38 2010 No.4044218 >>4044165 >Ange exists, Amakusa exists Except they are based off of one of the plots written by the author, namely that Eva returned. They don't exist.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:13:38 2010 No.4044223

Featherine is a creator level witch, she wrote episodes 3-6.
Maria is a creator level witch, she wrote episodes 1-2

Lambdadelta and Bern are voyager level witches, what could they be?
Lambdadelta and Bern both are "readers", that's why they are voyagers.
Lambdadelta is impartial, Bern is someone who try to solve the mystery.
Beatrice is of course the "mystery".

Personally I think there's only 1 world.
A world we didn't see yet, probably what will happen in the last game.
In this world the characters who survive are Eva for sure.
And probably Maria and maybe Battler.

Maria is the one sending the letters in episode 1 and 2.
And if you want a somewhat depressing but kinda uplifting ending, make Amakusa Battler.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:14:38 2010 No.4044229 >>4044218 >They don't exist. They do exist. It's a side branch of the 1998 plot thread. Ange mentions falling off the building and everything. Come back when you learn how to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:14:38 2010 No.4044230 File: 15 KB, 277x277, 1257735258946.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4044218 So Ange doesn't exist as a person? She's just like Beatrice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:15:38 2010 No.4044234 >>4044230 She does. You are being trolled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:16:38 2010 No.4044240 >>4044218 You stopped thinking. Nobody told us that Ange of 98 came from the event of episode 3. Just that Eva survived in both, a correlation isn't a fact.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:16:38 2010 No.4044241 >>4044234 Damn. I don't really like Ange. I hoped she really didn't exist.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:16:38 2010 No.4044244

>>4044229
>They do exist. It's a side branch of the 1998 plot thread. Ange mentions falling off the building and everything. Come back when you learn how to read.

The beginning of that story in 1998 is that Eva is on her death bed. Eva becoming the Ushiromiya family head was some story that Featherine cooked up.

Eva didn't return back alive, and because she's a background element of Ange's upbringing the whole Ange story can't exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:16:38 2010 No.4044245 >>4044223 I'd be okay with this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:17:38 2010 No.4044253 >>4044230 Ange exists as a person, but what we see in the episodes is the author using Ange in a subplot based off of how she wrote episode 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:18:38 2010 No.4044260 >>4044137 >The super Hanyuu was just imagining him, unless it was in a universe where Ange was never raised by her aunt. I see. So all of this is just conjecture that you are basing off of spoilers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:19:38 2010 No.4044269 >>4044223 >Maria is a creator level witch, she wrote episodes 1-2 Wrong. EP 1-2 bottled letters have Maria's signature, but it is confirmed that Maria Ushiromiya did not write them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:19:38 2010 No.4044271 From the sound of it, it's either magic or grimdark, what the fuck happened to the mystery, I'm so disappointed in the direction it took.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:20:38 2010 No.4044282 File: 858 KB, 621x1093, episode2truth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there any chance that this is relevant to what's going on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:22:38 2010 No.4044293 So you guys are just accepting this "mega milk hanyuu invented umineko" bullcrap just like that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:22:38 2010 No.4044294 >>4044282 motherfucker. dammit ryukishi stop trolling me with the truth in earlier games fuck.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:22:38 2010 No.4044296

>>4044240
>Just that Eva survived in both, a correlation isn't a fact.

Episodes 1 and 2 are the only episodes which contain some relative truth. They were written by Maria during the events of Rokkenjima and dropped in the water.

Think in one time line, think realistically. Everyone died on the island and Featherine comes along and picks up the two stories, decides it would make a great book series. She writes episodes 3-6.

In the real universe, Eva never came back, Featherine just wrote that story. Ange never had an aunt that came back. The only way that her story makes sense is that Featherine ran with the ending of her episode 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:24:38 2010 No.4044308 >>4044293 But it makes so much sense.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:24:38 2010 No.4044310

Guys, calm the fuck down. Ange is real, Amakusa is real. Featherine wrote Episode 3-6 but the implication is that there's likely more to the meta-world and its ties to reality than it appears, not that everything is a meaningless story by some author whore.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:25:38 2010 No.4044319

>>4044269
MARIA then.
Let say that Maria survives the true version of the events.
But she is with the true culprit, aka Beatrice.
The letters were written by that Beatrice and thought up by Maria, that's why she sign herself.

And that's why MARIA is a creator witch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:25:38 2010 No.4044320 >>4044310 Why must people like you come along and ruin the fun?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:27:38 2010 No.4044329 >>4044296 The only thing we know about episode 1 and 2 was that they were also written by someone. Stop seeing thing that aren't there. No correlation whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:27:38 2010 No.4044332 >>4044319 >The letters were written by that Beatrice and thought up by Maria, that's why she sign herself. Dumbass. It is precisely because of that fake-ass signature that we know Maria didn't touch those letters.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:27:38 2010 No.4044339

- Erika gets her existence denied.
- Battler and Beatrice said in red: You (Erika) included, there are 17 people (in Rokkenjima).
- Bern and Featherine seem to know each other. Featherine says Battler is not suited for GM, because he'd never make his family look like evil people (therefore, he'd never show the truth). So, she says she'll have Bern as the new GM for EP7.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:29:38 2010 No.4044354

>>4044310
The problem is at this point we can pass off anything about the episodes/meta-world whatever as the Author talking to herself.

She's just thinking up shit, imagining the meta-world in it's entirety and imagining whatever effects it might have on the real world all for the benefit of her book series. So that it might sell better.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:29:38 2010 No.4044359

>>4044332
Yeah didn't remember, doesn't change anything, letters were written by Beatrice but the content was created by Maria.

Or maybe Maria didn't survive, but she kept a diary of everything that happened, with all the fantasy thing she love of course.

The culprit found the diary and decided to write letters based on their content.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:30:38 2010 No.4044363 >>4044319 Maria is a creator witch because she was able to give Sakutaro a soul and bring him to life. It has nothing to do with the letters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:30:38 2010 No.4044367 File: 45 KB, 230x185, nat_odorokia4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4044339 >So, she says she'll have Bern as the new GM for EP7. >Bern >GM FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:31:38 2010 No.4044374

It's a VN about stage magicians. Think about it, magic can only exist in the shadows that the truth have illuminated. In every game, there's a possibility to explain everything without magic (or there wouldn't be a purpose to the games in the first place), so magic can only exist as an illusion before the real explanations are revealed. That's what being a stage magician is all about, working within the limits of our perception to create an illusion of the impossible.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:32:38 2010 No.4044383

"A girl elbowed herself through the crowd unmasking herself shouting" or something. And that was Jessica the next sentence was her shouting "Kanon-kun!?". Even her spirit was shown. And then Kanon appeared through butterflies kneeling in front of Battler.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:32:38 2010 No.4044386 >>4044363 Good job eating everything they throw at you. Don't stop thinking. If there is a signification to the meta world, there's a signification to the terms like Creator and other.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:32:38 2010 No.4044388

>>4044354
Except the human Ange who thanks her for letting her read her story and goes out to meet Amakusa in the phone booth has flashbacks to the meta world and things that had happened in EP4 before ever speaking to Featherine. Again, the implication is that there's more to the meta-world; Ange was having migraine flashes to different worlds the way Keiichi had in Higurashi due to the miracle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:34:38 2010 No.4044403 >>4044386 what do you mean by that. It is stated explicitly that Maria is a creator because she gave life to Sakutaro. She created 1 out of 0. That is the very basis of being a creator. Something out of Nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:34:38 2010 No.4044405 File: 149 KB, 364x467, dla_waraia1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Unsurpassed in moe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:34:38 2010 No.4044407 >>4044359 This theory has no more merit than Manon being Beatrice but also had the name Maria and so she signed the letters as Maria.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:35:38 2010 No.4044415

>>4044329
>The only thing we know about episode 1 and 2 was that they were also written by someone.

Doesn't fucking matter. Again, think in terms of one world and one time line.

Reality: Two stories turn up, dubious origin, they have some weird fiction about what happened concerning the recent murder case of Rokkenjima. Everyone died on that island, and there is an orphaned child by the name of Ange.

Featherine comes along, finds those stories and thinks they would make a great book series. She writes episodes 3-6. In episode three she had Eva survive, and started writing about how the orphaned girl, Ange, life would have changed had Eva come back. And brings it back into her 4th through 6th episodes. Shit it sweet and touching. She includes herself in the 6th episode in order to further expand this whole idea of a Metaverse.

What the VN series is: The two original episodes, and the episodes the Author wrote.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:35:38 2010 No.4044419 >>4044405 Drillhair, glasses, and :3?! THIS CREATURE IS A PERFECT ABOMINATION

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:36:38 2010 No.4044421 >>4044403 What I mean is that you should look beyond the fantasy thing. What does creating " 1 out of 0" mean? Can't you say the same from an author writing a novel?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:37:38 2010 No.4044426 >>4044421 You're saying that a 9 year old wrote an elaborate murder mystery?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:38:38 2010 No.4044436 >>4044415 The content of episode 3-6 are as valid as episode 1 and 2. Because they are completely consistent with the truth. So "who" wrote it doesn't change anything, episode 1 and 2 probably didn't happen too after all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:39:38 2010 No.4044442 >>4044426 No, that a 9 years old girl kept a diary of everything that happened during the 2 days and filled it with a lots of fantasy.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:40:38 2010 No.4044454

So Featherine writes everything? Including the meta-scenes? I thought they'd be more like episode 1, which had absolutely no meta but fake and/or fantasy scenes. Which is also what I thought the letter 'Maria' wrote was and what that witch hunter guy in episode 4 would've read.

>>	insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Jan 2 05:43:38 2010 No.4044474 ...Hey, I was right! The gameboards were being written! This is awesome.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:43:38 2010 No.4044475

>>4044442
This diary being separate from the one that Ange reads? And that a 9 year old, especially Maria who can barely learn her moonrunes, is at all capable of writing such fantasy scenes? That this was of such a high quality that the culprit decided to adapt it in her own writing and send it out to sea?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:44:38 2010 No.4044479 I'm going to kill myself if any one of these ridiculous spoilers come true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:45:38 2010 No.4044484 >>4044474 If any form of media has any sort of mystery, the first two things people come up with is 'purgatory' or 'fictional construct by a third party'. I really hope Umineko has more substance than that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:45:38 2010 No.4044488 >>4044475 Maria is a fucking genius, how the fuck did you miss it? >>4044474 That theory was pretty obvious for a while. And I knew that R07 wouldn't do the "parralel world" thing again after Higurashi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:46:38 2010 No.4044492 >>4044484 Enjoy your fiction, BOMB and Shannon = Kanon = Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:47:38 2010 No.4044495 >>4044488 >Maria is a fucking genius, how the fuck did you miss it? Totally. I don't understand why Rosa and Maria's classmates berate her like that. Genius... ha!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:47:38 2010 No.4044501 >>4044436 Sorry, can't agree. My personal Theory is that Ep 1 is the real deal. Ep's 2-? Are just hidden clues and hints. I haven't polished this one fully, so I can't write it down yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:48:38 2010 No.4044503 >>4044501 Well I disagree, I think both are bullshit. But who know?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:48:38 2010 No.4044504

>>4044436
>So "who" wrote it doesn't change anything, episode 1 and 2 probably didn't happen too after all.

Course the vast majority of episode 1 and 2 didn't happen, it was some person writing some fiction about what happened concerning the murder case on Rokkenjima.

But again: Episodes 1-6 of the VN are episodes 1-6 written in the VN, get it? It's kind of mind bending. I'm going to try again and organize the events of the reality in Umineko.

Rokkenjima is subject to a mass murder, no one survives
-Two stories are fished out of the water, they contain some weird interpretation of what happened on the island. (These become episodes 1-2 of the VN)
-Featherine finds the two stories, does some research, and begins writing a book series based off of the stories found. (These are episodes 3-6 of the VN so far) In her first installment of the series based off of the two stories found she considers what it would be like if a family member had survived, writes about Eva living and how Ange's life would have changed. She expands quite a bit on the magic and metaverse described in the two stories that were found.
-As she continues the series she writes herself in as a character, describing how she found the stories and writes about her communicating with some of her fictional characters.
Does this make more sense to you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:50:38 2010 No.4044509 >>4044282 I like how circular this damn thing is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:50:38 2010 No.4044510 >>4044488 She's not a fucking genius. She likes the occult a lot so she studies it and knows how to write in katakana better than in kanji.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:51:38 2010 No.4044512

So wait a minute guys, if 1-6 never happened and were written, does that mean the final penultimate, "this is what really happened that day" scenario will be EP8 and also involve Battler figuring out who the mastermind is and thwarting them?

Holy shit that blows my mind.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:51:38 2010 No.4044513

>>4044504
>She expands quite a bit on the magic and metaverse described in the two stories that were found.

Is this confirmed in episode 6? Hell, is the fact that everything we saw in episodes 1 and 2 of the games are exactly what's on those two letters? Including the portion that we're told that a letter was found?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:51:38 2010 No.4044514 >>4044495 Geniuses are often the most misunderstood. Look at Kinzo. Maria, despite having repetitive habits, still is able to recite the background of black magic and the works without any problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:51:38 2010 No.4044517 well that makes sense. the episodes are just someone writing up what might've happened the night of the massacre since no one knows the truth? all the arcs are interpretations?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:52:38 2010 No.4044522 >>4044510 She is definitely very intelligent, it's been shown several times. And she has an extremely vivid imagination. She is screwed up by how Rosa raised her though. Anyways it doesn't change the fact that she could write that diary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:53:38 2010 No.4044524 >>4044510 Damn. And I thought knowing how to write ライフル made me a genius. Granted, I don't know how to write any kanji except maybe fire.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:53:38 2010 No.4044526 Last episode: Amakusa reveal that he is Battler and tell everyone what actually happened.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:55:38 2010 No.4044536 >>4044522 I don't think she could have written the letters. The very fact that even though her name is on the signature she herself didn't sign it is confirmed. I highly doubt she had anything to do with this all.

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Jan 2 05:55:38 2010 No.4044537

Maria didn't write the letters. It's not in her handwriting, as mentioned thousands of times in this thread.

Somebody's been using her name to give the letter stories credibility and legitimacy, duh. "Beatrice" cannot exist without "Maria Ushiromiya".

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:55:38 2010 No.4044538

>>4044504
I'm going to expand on what I wrote here, I think I understand why the person I'm responding to is confused.

Time doesn't repeat itself in real life, what you see in the VNs is all meta-fiction, or fiction within the Umineko universe. All that we see concerning Rokkenjima is made up and fake, it's just loosely based off of real events in the Umineko universe. We keep revisiting the island from day 1 because the Author writes it that way.

The real series of events are listed in the post I responded to. Or at least the real events the Author within the Umineko series has alluded to and utilized as plot points in her book series.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:55:38 2010 No.4044542

>>4044514
That's fine. She might be some idiot savant and is able to recite a variety of occult things like how there are autistics that can instantly multiply large numbers. But there is no fucking way she can write a detailed story, and especially embellish a murder with fantastic scenes, in any reasonable capacity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:57:38 2010 No.4044551 >>4044536 I never said that she wrote the letter, only a diary. That "Beatrice" then used to write her letters. That way MARIA is a creator level witch, because she is the one who created the content of the letters, even if she didn't write them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:58:38 2010 No.4044554 >>4044517 Yes, that's absolutely right. I should have said that sooner instead of writing timelines and shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:58:38 2010 No.4044555 >>4044538 Fact is I do believe there are parallel worlds existing, including magic. During the ura teaparty for EP 6 Featherine talks to Bern herself. No Ange or anything. Featherine cannot be a delusion of Ange's for this fact.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:59:38 2010 No.4044559 >>4044551 You're trying to make Maria smarter than she is. It's much more logical to say that Beatrice wrote the letters, and devised the contents of them herself, and that Maria is a Creator because of what was already shown to us in the actual game.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 05:59:38 2010 No.4044560

>>4044538
You are the one who seem to be confused, stop thinking so much, basically:

Episode 1 to 6 are bullshit, but they possess the truth in them and are completely consistent with it.
Therefore who wrote them isn't important.

The "true" recollection of the event, we didn't see yet.
Probably the last game.

>>	Kooh !9WUSc85B6o Sat Jan 2 06:00:38 2010 No.4044562 I guessed it would come to this. always thought the arcs came from people's interpretations of the events from the messages in the bottles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:00:38 2010 No.4044564 you guys are dead to me, you all have stoped thinking. So this lady comes out saying she wrote Umineko? I call bullshit, I deny her bullshit! And somehow, i'll manage to demonstrate this lady is full of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:00:38 2010 No.4044570 >>4044555 Featherine looking into a snow globe ending confirmed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:01:38 2010 No.4044573 >>4044559 >>Maria is a Creator because of what was already shown to us in the actual game. You stopped thinking right there. Things are shown to us for a reason. Everything in the meta world is there for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:02:38 2010 No.4044577 we're probably just getting double trolled. LOL IT WAS A BOOK WRITTEN BY A CHARACTER LOL IT ACTUALLY WASN'T! GOT YA! RYUKIISHIIIIIIIII

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:02:38 2010 No.4044579

>>4044555
>No Ange or anything. Featherine cannot be a delusion of Ange's for this fact.

Fuck, other way around. Ange is a delusion of Featherine.

Again, the Featherine in reality wrote all of episode 6. She threw herself into the story and called herself Featherine, and wrote a conversation between her and Bern. All of episode 6 is written by Featherine who actually resides in reality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:02:38 2010 No.4044580 >>4044564 I'm confused. One anon says that Featherine just transcribes what she sees from other kakera more or less while another anon says that Featherine just bullshits it based off of the 'Maria' letters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:02:38 2010 No.4044582 My murder mystery became The Matrix, fuck Ryukishi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:03:38 2010 No.4044586 The "fiction" thing has been hinted since the second fucking episode. Fact is that Umineko will end soon, in 1 or 2 game. Soon enough to really start to get into it, no?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:03:38 2010 No.4044588 >>4044580 The former is the "magical" way to look at it, the latter is purely reality.

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Jan 2 06:04:38 2010 No.4044594
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>>4044564
What's the matter, you can't grasp one of the most basic theories of the gameboard? Simply by Ep. 4, this level of reasoning is possible for anonymous. What do you think, everyone?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:04:38 2010 No.4044597 >>4044580 First statement is Fantasy, second is Mystery. Just think what you want.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:04:38 2010 No.4044599 >>4044579 Now you're saying Ange is fake too. Why not just say the world is fake - Featherine created the fucking universe with her writing powers. I mean really.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:05:38 2010 No.4044603 >>4044573 Are you that George namefag? Anyway, what is the significance of your 'discovery' again? It really doesn't seem to show anything except that Maria is actually a genius unbeknownst to her relatives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:06:38 2010 No.4044607 >>4044599 I love a good snow globe ending.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:06:38 2010 No.4044608

>>4044560
>The "true" recollection of the event, we didn't see yet.

Goddamn, don't you get it yet? All episodes are bullshit, all characters are bullshit. We will never get a true recollection of events because in the Umineko universe's reality no one knows, the best that will be given is what the author, Featherine believes happened.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:07:38 2010 No.4044610

>>4043962
I don't really get this. Isn't the whole point of the magic side to try to prove that some of the things can't be done without resorting to magic? Why would Battler have to explain why his piece could have placed that letter? Can't he just say "I did it with magic, bitch !" ? And why did Battler have to be the one to place that letter?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:07:38 2010 No.4044615

>>4044603
I'm not that RP fag.

-Maria has been shown to be very intelligent.
But you don't need to be a fucking genius to write a fucking diary.
I don't even know why you keep insisting on this point.

And it explains Maria's position as a witch, or the fact that the letters are "signed" by her, even though she didn't write the letters.

>>	insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Jan 2 06:08:38 2010 No.4044625 >>4044608 "Beatrice" knows, or otherwise there never would've been any letters in the first place.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:09:38 2010 No.4044626

>>4044607
Featherinne holding Umineko snowglobe. Then we see 34 holding a snowglobe of Featherinne holding a snowglobe. Then we see Bernkastel holding a snowglobe of 34 holding a Snowglobe. Then we see Featherinne holding a snowglobe of Bern holding a snowglobe.

Infinite trolling circle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:10:38 2010 No.4044632 >>4044608 Yeah but some people survived, at least that's my theory. And we can know the true if they talk about what happened. Think about the Schrödinger's cat. Woul'nt be a paradox anymore if you could question the cat afterward, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:10:38 2010 No.4044638 This is probably the best conclusion Umineko could get. It's been hinted since forever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:11:38 2010 No.4044640 File: 62 KB, 704x480, ryukishi07.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4044626 ...not a bad idea. It sure beats my "It was all a dream" ending.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:11:38 2010 No.4044645

>>4044599
>Now you're saying Ange is fake too.
Yes, I'm saying exactly that. I've been saying that for awhile now. The Ange we see in the episodes is a fake, there is a real Ange in reality but her aunt never returned, she's probably a nobody and a sad child because all of her family died on Rokkenjima.

Featherine is a regular person, an author, and what we see in episodes 3-6 she wrote. She put herself in the story and did the whole magic thing of saying she was a powerful being, when she's just a writer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:13:38 2010 No.4044655 >>4044640 I spat out my drink.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:13:38 2010 No.4044660 >>4044645 >she's probably a nobody and a sad child because all of her family died on Rokkenjima. And so nothing changed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:14:38 2010 No.4044666 Umineko: No one actually exists. This shit is like Evangelion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:14:38 2010 No.4044667 So with this, the ShKanontrice thing, the Bomb, Umineko has been pretty much solved. What's left? Amakusa = Battler?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:15:38 2010 No.4044670

>>4044625
>"Beatrice" knows, or otherwise there never would've been any letters in the first place.

Unless "Beatrice" and the author meet up in reality than we might not get the exact tale of events though, and I think R07 wants to keep this as confusing as fuck.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:19:38 2010 No.4044683

>>4044667
Battler = Beatrice

This entire game is just his mind trying to wrap itself around what happened, while he's in his death throes.

But actually, Hanyuu wrote him like that, so he doesn't exist. She becomes the most successful mystery author ever, and the last scene is Ryukishi waking up in a cold sweat, and sobbing over his wonderful dream of being a respected, female author.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:19:38 2010 No.4044688 Ending: Ange with be reunited with her brother aka Amakusa, last scene will be them visiting a broken Shannon is a psychiatric hospital.

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Jan 2 06:19:38 2010 No.4044691

If I'm getting the gist of this correctly:

The first two letters were signed by a person who called herself "Maria Ushiromiya", but did not share the actual person's handwriting. Instead, this letter writer had a handwriting similar to the person who called herself "Beatrice" in Maria's diary.

Featherinne picks up the truth behind the murders in these two letters, and writes four more stories based on the truth she found. In the meanwhile, she writes about a hypothetical future based upon one of her own stories, and continues inserting characters based upon their possible existence. She even inserts herself into the story, quite possibly as a form of research.

If that's all correct, then I can already see the ending.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:20:38 2010 No.4044694 >>4044688 What, no wincest at the very least? Seriously, fuck this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:21:38 2010 No.4044698 The shown is over. Let is die.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:22:38 2010 No.4044701 >>4044691 >In the meanwhile, she writes about a hypothetical future based upon one of her own stories This is confirmed?

>>	insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Jan 2 06:23:38 2010 No.4044703 >>4044701 Of course not, I'm just theorizing.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:25:38 2010 No.4044714

>>4044691

Sounds about right, but I'm not sure about there being some truth in the first two stories, it was some person writing some fanciful tales about how the Rokkenjima murders could have gone down if witches had done it.

>She even inserts herself into the story, quite possibly as a form of research.

She inserts a character that represents herself in the story as a plot point I think, she describes BattlerxBeatrice as a piece of fan-fiction she made up. Imagine some lady in front of her computer writing up some piece of fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:27:38 2010 No.4044720 >>4044701 It's confirmed that 'Featherine' wrote episodes 3-6, she wrote in Ange's alternate future based off how she ended episode 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:27:38 2010 No.4044721 So Umineko is just a bunch of books written by an author? Hmmm, not sure if better or worse than Umineko being just a board game being played by the Higurashi kids.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:28:38 2010 No.4044727 >>4044720 So what's going on in that very first scene with Featherine, Amakusa, and Ange?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:28:38 2010 No.4044728 File: 36 KB, 198x228, ange derp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Umineko a.k.a. the ultimate mindscrew.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:29:38 2010 No.4044731 >>4044721 Umineko is a bunch of books written by authors based off of the murders on Rokkenjima island would probably be a better description.

>>	Annoying Type-Moon Fan !SHIKIazrn2 Sat Jan 2 06:29:38 2010 No.4044733 I will lol so hard if Umineko was all just a dream.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:30:38 2010 No.4044739 >>4044731 And 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre' based off a true story. That doesn't give Umineko much additional credit to be honest.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:30:38 2010 No.4044740

>>4044727
>So what's going on in that very first scene with Featherine, Amakusa, and Ange?

'Featherine' wrote all of the episode, she made up the entire scene. Again, imagine a writer at a computer writing about her alternate alias (in this case Featherine) talking with characters they made up. Ange being a character based off of the real life Ange.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:31:38 2010 No.4044744 >>4044733 I still say it's Maria's imagination. Makes sense, she's autistic. But it seems this Featherine thing has become more popular.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:33:38 2010 No.4044747 >>4044740 Wait. So she included in her book a portion about how she explains to a fictional character how she writes the books?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:33:38 2010 No.4044749 >>4044739 It's a piece of fiction about authors writing a piece of fiction based off an event that happened in their fictional lives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:34:38 2010 No.4044751 >>4044747 Xzibit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:36:38 2010 No.4044761 >>4044747 Yes, she's expanding on the concept of the metaverse. Trying to do the whole confluence of reality and fiction. This story is just ironically in a piece of fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:36:38 2010 No.4044764 So...trainwreck ending incoming?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:38:38 2010 No.4044768 >>4044764 I think we've all expected that since the beginning.

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Jan 2 06:38:38 2010 No.4044769

Self-insertion is bad, children.

I'd say this ends with "Beatrice" bringing the beatdown on "Featherinne" before revealing the entire truth to the public in a way that allows people to understand the circumstances. The story ends with her standing in front of Battler's grave telling him that his journey is finally over.

Well, something along those lines. I don't see a good ending happening.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:38:38 2010 No.4044770 >>4044761 >Trying to do the whole confluence of reality and fiction. Congratulations Umineko readers. You've been playing an ARG.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:38:38 2010 No.4044771 >>4044764 Something like that, I've done most of the lengthy descriptions about what the reality portion of this story is. But personally I'm going to ignore it and enjoy the fantasy and do my best not to think of it as a piece of fiction in a fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:39:38 2010 No.4044776 I can't see Ange being all alone in the end. And Amakusa is too weird, he really could be Battler.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:40:38 2010 No.4044779

My bet is on ha the works by Featherine are also 'expanded' versions of other bottle messages that many thought they were fake (as mentioned in ep4, more than 2 bottles had been found)
Also she specifically says that the events of the meta-world are absolutely true

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:41:38 2010 No.4044784 >>4044779 >Also she specifically says that the events of the meta-world are absolutely true But according to this troll. That's just Featherine's self-insert doing that... I think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:41:38 2010 No.4044785 >>4044776 Depends on how "Featherine" writes Amakusa in her story. He's still a fictional character inside of a fiction though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:42:38 2010 No.4044787 So why is Featherine being set up in an evil, antagonistic role in the end?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:43:38 2010 No.4044789 >>4044787 She doesn't want to see anyone solve the whole thing since it's pretty lucrative for her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:43:38 2010 No.4044790 >>4044691 Please, share it with us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:44:38 2010 No.4044793 >>4044779 What this anon said: >>4044784 All that we see in the VNs are the stories that "Featherine" wrote, with some allusion to actual reality in this fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:44:38 2010 No.4044797 >>4044789 But doesn't she order Bern to expose all of the answers as GM?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:45:38 2010 No.4044799 >>4044787 "Featherine" is setting up Featherine in an antagonistic role.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:48:38 2010 No.4044808 Looks like Ryukishi07 wrote himself in a corner and will shove a LOL-I-troll-u-xD ending on us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:49:38 2010 No.4044812 >>4044808 All of this was hinted from episode 2 onward.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:50:38 2010 No.4044817 >>4044808 >wrote himself into a corner The game has been solvable since EP4, thus he already knows the ending.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:51:38 2010 No.4044824 Remember when Higurashi fans were upset at the idea of Higurashi being just a game because of Bern and Lambda in Umineko? I like how Umineko is just fiction... in Umineko... by an expy Higurashi character.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:51:38 2010 No.4044828

Wonderful.

Everyone finally reached the same reasoning that I have.

Personally I don't find this development disappointing. The Meta World always seemed like a commentary on the nature of mystery fiction to me.

Plus it's been repeatedly stated that Beatrice's games are "tales".

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:53:38 2010 No.4044837 >>4044808 or maybe everything is going according bto his plan and you people are misunderstanding everything with Featherine, because after all she is a witch, and can travel between kakeras, writing about sth you've seen isn't difficult

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:53:38 2010 No.4044840 >>4044828 Personally I would have liked this piece of fiction to be a commentary on mystery and what-not. Not a fiction about a fiction that is a commentary on mystery and what-not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:54:38 2010 No.4044847 >>4044837 She can be both an Author, and a witch observing different kakera. I don't think there's an observable difference.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:55:38 2010 No.4044853 >>4044837 She's a witch because "Featherine" wrote Featherine to be a witch. Get it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:55:38 2010 No.4044854 >>4044840 Wait. Why is it a fiction about a fiction?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:55:38 2010 No.4044856 I see this topic is slowly coming to an end. Let's have another one, what could be Battler's sin? Why would nothing happen if he didn't come?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:56:38 2010 No.4044861 So the part when Ange reads episode 6 in front of Featherine, at some point she read about herself reading about herself reading about herself reading...?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:57:38 2010 No.4044866 >>4044854 Please, read through the thread, it took me so long to write some of those posts. I'll put up a link: >>4044415 Should be able to follow that back a ways.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 06:58:38 2010 No.4044874 >>4044847 In reality she's an author writing about herself as a witch. With magic (a.k.a glossing things over) she's a witch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:02:38 2010 No.4044889 For all of Umineko's talk about Schrodinger's Cat. It all just turned out to be one giant Schrodinger's Butterfly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:02:38 2010 No.4044890 >>4044861 You have to imagine again, all that you see in episode 6 is what "Featherine" wrote. She wrote the character Ange in as reading episode 6, than moved onto the next scene and started writing about that.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:03:38 2010 No.4044896

>>4044866

Got it.

I see. So that's where the Author fits in. In my previous posts about this thing, I only analyzed this to the level of Beatrice and Battler fighting over the Rokkenjima Tale.

If Ryukishi wanted to comment on Truth, Fiction, and Mystery stories, why did he have to include this extra level of complexity though?

Or is this simply a heavy handed device of telling us, THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH FUCKERS. Find it, and never ever look at anything in Umineko at face value ever again.

Could've been done better. People might get pissed at this.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:07:38 2010 No.4044906

>>4044896
Personally I'm pissed about it, but again this is probably the whole Magic thing R07 is trying to get at.

You want to read about the realistic side in his story? Story is shit. Magic side though is the story within his story which is infinitely better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:12:38 2010 No.4044927 >>4044906 >Magic side though is the story within his story which is infinitely better. How much magic do I need to make Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice their own persons?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:14:38 2010 No.4044943 >>4044927 just enough, in magic side they're their own after all. But at least Shkanon should be true

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:14:38 2010 No.4044944

>>4044906

It's a strange feeling. I kinda knew this would happen, the clues were all there, but it feels wrong somehow. I don't think Ryukishi's writing skill is up to par to pull this shit off successfully. His audience was pretty damned satisfied with the Meta characters arguing about and abusing the mystery genre, and using literary concepts as weapons.

Can we still trust him after this? He was practically reassuring us to trust him in EP5, that we can solve it, but he was talking about Beato's game, not really talking about Umineko as whole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:14:38 2010 No.4044945 >>4044927 Strong magic.You have to act like they exist in your life.Learn from Natsuhi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:17:38 2010 No.4044956 >>4044944 I agree completely. RIP: Umineko Ep1-5.

>>	Kooh !9WUSc85B6o Sat Jan 2 07:19:38 2010 No.4044965 Umineko is Featherine's Higurashi fanfiction. discuss.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:21:38 2010 No.4044976 >>4044944 I'll hold out for episode 6, and depending how I like that much just see what the spoilers are for episode 7. After this though, I kinda wish R07 died immediately after episode 5.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:21:38 2010 No.4044977 I have never particularly ascribed to the whole 'Death of the Author' concept but for me to be able to enjoy Umineko any longer, I may have to use it just this once. Wait a second...

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:26:38 2010 No.4044995

>>4044965

Umineko is Featherine's Rokkenjima fanfiction.

Do people actually do this in real life? Take a murder incident and write a bullshit fantasy series about it? She seems like an asshole.

Sigh. What Red Text do we have that applies to all games again? I don't give a damn about the closed room anymore(which is what Ryukishi probably wanted from the start) Featherine can cook up a solution for that one. I wanna get to to the bottom of this right now. Fuck Featherine and her bullshit.

Kinzo is dead.
No one can mistake him by sight.
Nobody can take Kanon's name except Kanon.
There are 5 master keys.
Kinzo's study is the only one with an auto-lock.
Chapel can't be locked without a key.
Gold is real.
Windows can't be locked from the outside.

What else?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:27:38 2010 No.4045000 I wish Featherinne wrote erotica

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:30:38 2010 No.4045016 >>4044995 Battler is incompetent

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:32:38 2010 No.4045027 >>4045000 She wrote BattlerxBeatrice as a kind of fanfiction, so we have that at least.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:46:38 2010 No.4045086 >>4044126 Yeah, I'd almost prefer a MAGIC IS REAL end to something like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:49:38 2010 No.4045097 Sayo, Shannon's true name, can be romanized Syayo. Joshua, Kanon's true name, can also be read Yoshiya or Yosiya. Without love it can't be seen. Love is ai in Japanese. How do you pronounce ai in english, "i". Syayo + i = ? Shit bricks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:50:38 2010 No.4045106 >>4045086 magic was proven reral, so as everything happening in the meta-world, said by Featherine

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:50:38 2010 No.4045107 >>4044100 please cease and desist with your spamming on our board ano n ta lk.c om thanks in advance have a nice day many hugs from tiny loli

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:54:38 2010 No.4045120 >>4045106 I meant ''the murders were done with magic''-end, though. Sorry for choosing my words badly~

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 07:57:38 2010 No.4045131 >>4045097 You can't excape from the ShKanontrice, resistance is futile.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:03:38 2010 No.4045149 >>4045120 ah sorry, though I think you people should give a rest, Featherine could be lying and using ctual info instead of making it up

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:09:38 2010 No.4045169 >>4045149 or she could be the TRUE gamemaster, creator witch writing the plotline of every game, instead of just writing it, she is creating all of the umineko worlds, niot just the 3-6. ALL of them

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:12:38 2010 No.4045178

Really now, if all of this turns out to be true it's worse than brain parasites, far worse. Fictional story aboyt fiction about fiction about fiction...

I realy doubt it'll end like that but if it do then Umineko is shit and Ryu07 is a faggot who can't write.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:14:38 2010 No.4045189 >>4045169 So she owns a multiverse? Way to hax...

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:20:38 2010 No.4045215

>>4045189
she's a creator, there's a reason they're the most powerful, they create actual universes out of nothing, just adding more layers to it isn't impossible
Also she could just be lying, again. How are you sure she didn't write what she had seen from the highest meta-plain

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:23:38 2010 No.4045233 >>4045215 Creating an universe is not that hard. Even 34 can do it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:23:38 2010 No.4045238

You guys are forgetting few things. Magic was proven to exist with gold text. Aurora's stories don't contain meta-world, she said that everything from meta-world really happened. All she wrote were scenarios for the game board, and game board only. Or even more, thay were scenarios of what really happened that were then twisted by Beartice by throwing in magic and demons. She don't have full control over Umineko world, she only makes game scenarios. That right was given to Battler in Ep. V and now handed to Bern.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:28:38 2010 No.4045270

I think the most important part of the 6th game is that the reader understands in its entirety and without misinterpretations what magic is about. The key-sentence is "Without love, it cannot be seen.", although I would replace that "love" with a less cheesy "blindness". (Love is blind.)
It is illogical to assume that Featherine is "bad" for she is in large sections a cameo of Ryukishi himself, so I doubt that all of this is a Red Herring.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:30:38 2010 No.4045284 >>4044097 please cease and desist with your spamming on our board ano n ta lk.c om thanks in advance have a nice day many hugs from tiny loli

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:30:38 2010 No.4045285 witches did it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:41:38 2010 No.4045351 >>4045238 >Magic was proven to exist with gold text. Additionally, Battler states that Beatrice had completely won at the end of the 5th game, but she died before she knew she won.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 08:47:38 2010 No.4045394 >>4044121 Actually, Featherine was writing 3 and 4 based on the notes found in the bottles people believe to be fake(but hasn't been proven).

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