I heard that Kyrie being Battler's mother was confirmed in episode 6. How so, exactly?

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Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:03:43 2010 No.4042975 [Reply] [Original]

I heard that Kyrie being Battler's mother was confirmed in episode 6. How so, exactly?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:05:43 2010 No.4042992 She admits to it. Also, she says she would have killed Asumu if she didn't die by herself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:05:43 2010 No.4042996 >>4042992 Does she BAW when Battler dies?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:06:43 2010 No.4043000 >>4042992 So she resents Battler for no reason. What a whore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:09:43 2010 No.4043024 >>4042992 Could you elaborate? Why does she admit Battler is her son, again?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:09:43 2010 No.4043026 She doesn't admit Battler is her son. How would she know that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:10:43 2010 No.4043031 >>4042996 considering they die on the same twilight she can't exactly baaww. rudolf does though but then we find out Kyrie wasn't even dead until Erika went into the deep end and chopped her head off

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:10:43 2010 No.4043032 >>4042992 That doesn't make any sense, She resents Battler because he's the son of Asumu, doesn't she?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:11:43 2010 No.4043037
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>>4042996
Not really for Battler.

>>4043000
Well, if you think of her as being a pawn for her family to get into the Ushiromiya fortune by having one of her children become the head of the family, Battler probably pissed her off pretty damn good when he decided he wasn't going to be a part of the Ushiromiya family anymore for about 6 years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:11:43 2010 No.4043039 >>4043031 Wait, Erika chops her head off? Why?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:11:43 2010 No.4043040 >>4043032 In EP 3 she said she only resented him because he reminded her of Asumu. But in EP 4 she apologizes for resenting him and then gets sniped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:11:43 2010 No.4043043 >>4043031 Wait, I thought the detective couldn't be the culprit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:12:43 2010 No.4043044 Well, there goes the Kyrie-Culprit theory. It's too obvious now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:13:43 2010 No.4043047 >>4043039 Erika murders everyone in Episode 6 First Twilight, bro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:13:43 2010 No.4043052 Goddamnit, what the fuck is going on? Just what the FUCK is going on?!

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:13:43 2010 No.4043054

>>4043039
Erika has no authority as the detective this game. That means she can be the culprit and kill people. So she ends up chopping off Kyrie's head, along with the other 1st twilight victims excluding Battler, in order to force a logical error in Battler's gameboard. If there is a logical error on the board then the game is deemed unsolvable and doesn't count anymore. A bunch of shit happens and Erika tries to get married to a comatose Battler to become the territory lord again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:14:43 2010 No.4043059 >>4043044 Shannon = Kanon is also an obvious theory, but people still say they can be the culprits. I still think Kyrie is an accomplice - maybe even a forced accomplice.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:16:43 2010 No.4043063

>>4043044
Well, that doesn't mean it's not still credible. Just because she's shown to have obvious malicious intent this late into the story doesn't mean she's innocent because it's really obvious now.

Though boy do I feel awesome for guessing that she was behind it all 6 months ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:16:43 2010 No.4043064 >>4043037 Haha, what the hell is with Jessica's trollface while Kyrie is bawwing? She just became awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:16:43 2010 No.4043065 >>4043054 Well holy shit, I take it Battler did a craptastic job at being a GM than? How does it end?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:16:43 2010 No.4043069 File: 12 KB, 306x264, BOOM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043054 Oh god, first we have Rifyu making Jessitrice jokes, Shannon = Kanon, and now this. God damn you, R07.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:16:43 2010 No.4043070 >>4043065 Another stalemate, I think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:17:43 2010 No.4043072 >>4043063 well nothing is confirmed yet, but she can still be a good accomplice. good hint: in her battle with jessica during EP 6 she literally creates a closed room to stop Jessica from killing her at first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:19:43 2010 No.4043080 >>4043065 "Beato" saves his ass. Again. Let me remind me, this is not the Beato we know and love.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:19:43 2010 No.4043082

>>4043065
It's not Battler's fault at all...well actually it sorta is.

Erika trolled Battler with a deredere personality and he let her use three tape pieces. She taped up the two guest rooms that everyone was locked up inside and then taped the room Piece-Battler 'died' in. She then killed the remaining 5 'victims' and found a letter. The letter was apparently put there by Piece-Battler, but because he should be trapped in the room while this happens that makes it impossible for him to place the letter. Erika literally forces a logical error - Battler never intended for there to be one

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:20:43 2010 No.4043083 >>4043065 same from here >>4043082 game ends with Erika being killed (or rather sent to a horrible fragment). Bern is going to be EP 7's GM as well

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:20:43 2010 No.4043084 >>4043080 She's back again? Why is she not lovable?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:21:43 2010 No.4043086 >>4043065 It is not his fault.Battler is not incompetent.He just don't want to show that his family are murderers.That is the reason why Bern is appointed to be the next game GM.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:21:43 2010 No.4043091 >>4043084 its not Beato. It's a Beatrice that Battler created accidentally while trying to resurrect the Beato from EP 1-5

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:22:43 2010 No.4043092 >>4043083 Oh, Bern is the next GM. Oh. Oh god.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:22:43 2010 No.4043094 >>4043083 Fuuck, how did she get rights to Ep 7?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:24:43 2010 No.4043101 >>4043094 Aurora the author, you can say the God gave it to her.Because Battler refuse to show the answers, she appointed Bern.Bern can do anything she want as long she show the truth.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:24:52 2010 No.4043103 [DELETED]

>I heard that Kyrie being Battler's mother
Why has this point remained unchallenged so far?
She hasn't done that. Kyrie and Ayumu were pregnant at the same time. Kyrie lost her child, while Ayumu gave birth to Battler - or so Kyrie says.
The circumstances of the talk with Jessica make it apparent, that she doesn't _knowingly_ lie.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:25:43 2010 No.4043113

>>4043091
Ah, does Battler get to keep his status as Endless Sorcerer at the end of the 6th episode by the way?

As for him resurrecting Beatrice, I thought the only way he could manage it was by creating her phantom over the course of a game. Blaming murders on her ect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:26:43 2010 No.4043117 File: 305 KB, 1000x749, kyrie beach.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wish Kyrie was my mom.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:26:43 2010 No.4043119 >>4043101 Oh god damn you Featherine. Well, Battler better beat Bern. I've had it up to here with that bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:27:43 2010 No.4043127 >>4043101 Wow, Battler fucked up there. It's not like his relatives haven't been killing each other in the previous episodes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:28:43 2010 No.4043134 >>4043119 Given Bern's character song, Lambda white knighting, and pig disgusting mature Hanyuu helping her,expect some fucking retarded Bern redemption.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:28:43 2010 No.4043135 >>4043119 Battler already pretty much beat Bern in EP6. Bern is pissed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:29:43 2010 No.4043141 Well since we have no idea what is the real truth, i guess Bern the next GM would show that to us, the readers.Battler already knows everything.Is he in denial or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:29:43 2010 No.4043142 >>4043043 She never states she's the detective so in case she is the culprit, it's not against knox's rule. She basically wanted to win that bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:29:43 2010 No.4043145 >Featherine >Featherline >Federline >Kevin Federline can't unthink

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:29:43 2010 No.4043147 >>4043037 So Kyrie resents Battler because he reminds her of Asumu and threw away his chances at becoming the Ushiromiya family head? I thought she wasn't crazy like the rest of her family.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:30:43 2010 No.4043151 I heard that Kanon = Shannon was confirmed at the end of episode 6. Unless someone here has a better idea of why there are only 17 people on the island.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:30:43 2010 No.4043152 >>4043059 I still doubt that they're the culprits, but Episode 6, crazily enough, actually proves Shannon = Kanon. And possibly also Beato.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:30:43 2010 No.4043156 >>4043113 >Ah, does Battler get to keep his status as Endless Sorcerer at the end of the 6th episode by the way? Yes. Battler is still going to be the Endless Sorcerer in EP 7. Just not the GM.

>>	Hiroyuki !f9AdfGwpYI Sat Jan 2 02:30:43 2010 No.4043157 File: 68 KB, 500x250, wrong.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:30:43 2010 No.4043158 >>4043151 Kanon is not Shannon. Shannon = Kanon, however, is very hinted in EP6.

>>	Hiroyuki !f9AdfGwpYI Sat Jan 2 02:31:43 2010 No.4043163 File: 1.03 MB, 4999x2500, 1255024194032.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043157 not big enough

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:31:43 2010 No.4043169 >>4043147 That's only if the theory is true. And didn't Kyrie say that she doesn't resent Battler anymore anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:32:43 2010 No.4043175 >>4043147 It's more for the fact that he reminds her of Asumu and that he lived instead of her child, rather than the headship thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:32:43 2010 No.4043177 File: 113 KB, 450x650, 1234621509088.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's that? I can be the GM and do whatever the fuck I want to this place as long as I show the truth?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:33:43 2010 No.4043180 >>4043145 It's a pun, actually. Featherine -> Feather-in -> 羽入 (Hanyuu) And you can tell what "Augustus Aurora" is supposed to refer to right away.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:33:43 2010 No.4043185 >>4043175 eh...?i thought her child is Battler?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:33:43 2010 No.4043186 >>4043152 So wait... Shannon is getting it on with all the Cousins except Marie? She can seduce both sexes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:34:43 2010 No.4043188 why is Bern the GM? Does super hanyuu have some kind of complete authority over the plot? and if Bern is the GM then what does that make Battler?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:34:43 2010 No.4043190 Oh and guys. it's probably nothing but as of EP6, I'm getting a very strong Battler is Kinzo vibe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:35:43 2010 No.4043194 >>4043180 I am a retard. Please enlighten me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:35:43 2010 No.4043197 >>4043180 Googling Augustus Aurora brings up a Polish noblewoman so I guess the reference is lost on me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:36:43 2010 No.4043199 Guys, I had a theory. Kumasawa and Kinzo had a son named Battler. You know that Servant-Master cliche? Yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:36:43 2010 No.4043202 >>4043169 In episode 4 maybe, but the day keeps getting reset. As for Shannon=Kanon, in episode 5 there's at least one scene where they both are sitting together talking to the adults. How will they explain away things like that?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:36:43 2010 No.4043204
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>>4043185
Her child probably is Battler. It's not confirmed, but honestly there is no other way unless you think Rudolf was banging a third woman. Anti-climatic, but I think after it was confirmed Asumu wasn't his birth mother its fairly obvious to say Kyrie should be.

But she doesn't know it. In EP 5 its confirmed that Rudolf is definietly aware however, when he tells Battler that he wanted to talk about his birth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:37:43 2010 No.4043206 >>4043180 >Augustus Aurora >AUgustus AUrora >Au Au >the sound hanyuu makes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:37:43 2010 No.4043209 >>4043156 Wait, then who's going to be GM in episode 7?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:38:43 2010 No.4043211 Actually I have lost track of the number of persons. In the end Battler and Neo-Beatrice (or what you ever want to call her like) say, that even including Erika, there are only 17 beings on Rokkenjima. Does that finally confirm Kanon=Shanon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:38:43 2010 No.4043212 >>4043209 Bern

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:38:43 2010 No.4043213 >>4043209 Bernkafuckingstel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:39:43 2010 No.4043218 >>4043211 Actually, they never state that the number includes Erika. So that line in itself doesn't really prove anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:39:43 2010 No.4043219 >>4043211 No. Shannon = Kanon is a possible way to explain it, but there is no such confirmation. and if it is true then fuck that is retarded. How do Jessica and George not realize they are in love with the same exact person.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:39:43 2010 No.4043221 >>4043212 >>4043213 What the fucking fuck. How does she suddenly understand shit? Does 34 deserve it more?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:39:43 2010 No.4043224 >>4043206 What? They don't sound remotely alike.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:40:43 2010 No.4043227

>>4043221
She knows the truth as well. Hanyuu-lady decides it because Battler isn't going to show the truth of the murders, since that means showing multiple people in his family as killers. So Bern has to do it in order to show us the truth.

EP 7 will probably confirm who the culprit is for sure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:40:43 2010 No.4043229 >>4043219 >How do Jessica and George not realize they are in love with the same exact person. Magic - If there is no love, it cannot be seen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:41:43 2010 No.4043233 >>4043224 "Au au" is the sound Hanyuu makes. If you think it doesn't sound like it, that's because you're a dirty gaijin who can't even read romaji and is probably reading it as "ayyyuuuuu ayyyyuuu"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:41:43 2010 No.4043237 >>4043204 I imagine Rudolf is implying that Kyrie will murder him when she finds out that Battler is his child... Of course, what I've been hearing is that in episode 6 she actually already knows this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:41:43 2010 No.4043238 >>4043229 So they have no love for the people they are clearly shown to be in love with. Shannon = Kanon is a good theory, but it has crap logic to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:43:43 2010 No.4043254 WHO KILLED ERIKA AND WHY? HER EXISTENCE HAS BEEN ERASE. WHO DO DIS? I KILL DEM!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:43:43 2010 No.4043255 >>4043238 It's the only logical solution to the stated red text in Episode 6, unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:44:43 2010 No.4043259 >>4043254 A combination of Bern, Endless Sorcerer Battler and new Beato did it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:45:43 2010 No.4043261 >>4043233 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExgceg2Uok Listen to the first bit and then say "Augustus Aurora" aloud. You massive faggot, you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:46:43 2010 No.4043269 >>4043255 unless there's a wordplay on the red.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:46:43 2010 No.4043270 >>4043259 Wow no one loves her :(

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:48:43 2010 No.4043282 So wait, New Beato is some furniture that Battler made right? How is she different from the original Beato in terms of personality and the like, because she's sounding pretty powerful. ...Battler is starting to sound a lot like Kinzo isn't he?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:49:43 2010 No.4043287

>>4043269
It was stated in red that Kanon entered the guest room that Battler and Erika were in. I don't remember if it was stated in red that he closed the chain lock after Battler left, but that's assumedly what happened. It was also stated in red that Kanon did not leave the guest room. It was then stated in red that Kanon was not in the guest room.

There's also the stuff involving the closed rooms in the guesthouse, which I won't go into detail about at the moment.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:49:43 2010 No.4043289

>>4043270
to be honest, I can't love her. She's a massive bitch, but I always thought she was a pretty cool guy.

then she fucking kills 5 people by cutting off their heads, while they were still alive. She even kills Maria, who woke up while Rosa was being killed, without missing a beat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:49:43 2010 No.4043290 >>4043202 Same way it's always been done. We had no detective perspective, so it's highly suspect for embellishments. Only one of them was there, but since Shannon has MPD, "Kanon" was also there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:49:43 2010 No.4043292 >>4043270 She's a fucking bitch.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:49:43 2010 No.4043295

>>4043229
Fuck you, without love we get idiotic plots like this. Three characters being the same fucking person is not deep, it's not fulfilling, it is just fucking stupid. Really, try describing this to anyone and see if they can keep a straight face.
This is a red herring, and you morons are buying right into it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:50:43 2010 No.4043296 >>4043282 NEW BEATO IS TOO MOE.THERE IS ANOTHER BEATO BATTLER MADE BUT TOO TROLL.Real Beato we all know and love can never be revived ever again as stated in red by God Hanyuu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:50:43 2010 No.4043297 >>4043282 Basically, her personality is closest to that of the loli Beato from the beginning of Episode 3.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:50:43 2010 No.4043299

>>4043282
>New Beato is some furniture that Battler made right?
Yes.
>How is she different from the original Beato in terms of personality and the like, because she's sounding pretty powerful.
She is a moeblob who calls Battler father. It's said that if you wait 1000 years, she'll be like the original Beato.
>...Battler is starting to sound a lot like Kinzo isn't he?
Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:51:43 2010 No.4043302 >>4043282 In the end she approaches the old Beatrice, but she will never become the old Beatrice for she is a entirely different being. (e.g. she calls Battler "Battler-san".)

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:51:43 2010 No.4043304

>>4043282
The Moetrice was created by accident when Battler tried to revive our Beato. She's not technically furniture though. Whats different about her is a difference in 1000 years. She has no memories and is basically a blank Beato. She even calls Battler 'father' for a while, until switching over to Battler-san.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:51:43 2010 No.4043305 >>4043296 >.THERE IS ANOTHER BEATO BATTLER MADE BUT TOO TROLL. Wrong. That Beato is just the Beato of the witch legend, she is not a troll, nor did Battler make her. Only new Beato sees her, and she calls her onee-sama.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:51:43 2010 No.4043306 What I don't get is why didn't they reveal their prank when she was cutting of their heads?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:51:43 2010 No.4043308 >>4043295 If you have an alternative that holds up as strongly as Shkannon, I'd love to hear it. I'm not kidding either, I'd love to deny this theory.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:52:43 2010 No.4043314 >>4043296 > THERE IS ANOTHER BEATO BATTLER MADE Did Battler knowingly create that one, though? I noticed that she's never present in any scenes where Battler is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:53:43 2010 No.4043317 >>4043308 MOTHER FUCKING KYRIE CULPRIT ONLY THING THAT CAN SAVE UMINEKO

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:53:43 2010 No.4043319 >>4043306 They probably did.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:53:43 2010 No.4043320

>>4043295
I'll be honest, I find this incredibly amusing.

Shannon has seduced Battler, George, and Jessica, and Maria looks up to her as an idol. That is if Shannon = Kanon = Beatrice.

Of course, at this point it seems the story is kinda focused on Meta-Battler and Meta-Beatrice

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:53:43 2010 No.4043321

>>4043296
Battler didn't make the long haired Beato. She's an imaginary being the Moe Beato talks to, who encourages her to learn magic and stuff. She represents the Legend of the Golden Witch Beato. Not exactly our Beato from EP 1-5, but she does have all of Beato's memories.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:54:43 2010 No.4043323 >>4043306 I'm sure they did, but killing them was the only way to force a logical error onto Battler's gameboard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:55:43 2010 No.4043329 >>4043306 They probably didn't have time to before Erika killed them.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:56:43 2010 No.4043334

>>4043308
I say keep Shkanon. Keep it in. Add Jessitrice to the mix. Or add a piece Beato to it.
Fuck, I mean, if Shkanon does exist, wouldn't that open up an additional slot for Piece Beato in the earlier games?

The series degrades itself if three characters are all the same person. Not to mention the sheer implausibility of it. What, in episode 4 you expect me to believe that Kanon disguised himself as Shannon, who then disguised herself as Beatrice, hauled ass to the second floor, confronted Battler, changed back to Shannon, and then died?

No, fuck you. Erika did that kinda logic defying bullshit, and no one was impressed. It just is fucking stupid. Really, really, really freaking dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:56:43 2010 No.4043335 Erika is pitiful when you remember she was doomed to the shittiest Fragment Bern could find if she didn't win.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:57:43 2010 No.4043338 >>4043296 >Real Beato we all know and love can never be revived ever again What the hell? This has to be wordplay right? >>4043302 >>4043304 Wow, Battler is sounding infinitely more like Kinzo, at least in his romantic problems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:58:43 2010 No.4043345 File: 66 KB, 640x478, nevertrustwitches.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043335 On the one hand that was a "trick" to get Battler to give her some handicap, on the other hand it is said, that Bern felt like saying what she was thinking.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:58:43 2010 No.4043346

If there are 17 (regardless if they're dead or alive. Or have a different personality.) involved in a plot, the whole story can't focus on just 2 or 3 people. Some of these theories sound like you're closing yourselves in.

>This is a red herring..

I have to agree with this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:58:43 2010 No.4043347 Look, in episode five, Kanon, Shannon and Erika were all in the same room together multiple times, and Erika acknowledged this. When did you all stop thinking?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:58:43 2010 No.4043348

>>4043335
There are other ways to win than forcing a logical error. Erika wasn't going to win because she beat Battler - she was going to win because she played a fucking dirty trick and killed 5 people to force an error in logic for the board. The entire trap room sequences during the game is Battler trying to get out of the closed room Erika put him in. And while he was comatose she wanted to marry him so she could become the territory lord.

Sorry, but I just can't like her. It's not even Evatrice level crazy - its an entirely new type of crazy.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:59:43 2010 No.4043351

>>4043338
No, it's true. Even if 1000 years pass, there's no guarantee that she would be exactly the same as the Beatrice Battler originally knew. Even now that she possesses that Beatrice's memories, her personality is still different. (Though she does seem to have regained some of the old Beatrice's trolling capability.)

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 02:59:43 2010 No.4043352

>>4043338
Think of Moe-Beatrice as amnesiac Beatrice who gets her memories back at the end. After she "wakes up", it's weird because she keeps flipping back and forth between troll and moe like she has split personalities, but by the end she seems to be settling more comfortable into the old Beatrice we knew--telling Erika, for example, "What, did you think I was asleep like I was in the fifth game?"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:00:43 2010 No.4043357 >>4043347 The game says that if the detective is not the narrator for the scene then their POV becomes unreliable again. This is why Erika was able to have all those magic duels in EP 5 during the study - Battler was the narrator of the scenes.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:00:43 2010 No.4043360

>>4043346
EP6 pushes Shkannon really, really hard, and even triggers some really touching scenes, but I'm hoping it's a red herring too. The Shkannontrice 'theory' behind how Battler escaped the closed room is so absurd with the constant personality-switching it's like a bad joke.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:01:43 2010 No.4043361 >>4043351 >(Though she does seem to have regained some of the old Beatrice's trolling capability.) She doesn't really troll though. Right after Erika is gone she goes back to blushing and says she'll be Battler's wife.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:01:43 2010 No.4043362 Goddamn it, what the fuck is R07 doing? The more Ep 6 spoilers I read, the more I become convinced that he is sitting at home and laughing his ass off at us.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:02:43 2010 No.4043366

You guys are being fed the answers like candy in episode 6.
The issue is, this is Umineko. The candy is not candy, it's most likely the blood of your family.
Eqivocations upon eqivocations!
Stop taking the easy way out, otherwise we'll end up with Tripolar moron end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:02:43 2010 No.4043367 >>4043357 Dude, Erika is like never the narrator. Lets not play dumb games here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:04:02 2010 No.4043381 >>4043362 He seems distressed, that no one is actually reading his stuff. That some people say "only the red matters - no need for the rest" or simply stop thinking. Then again, I thought they would make Erika the one who let Battler out of the room.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:04:43 2010 No.4043375 >>4043362 > Implying he doesn't do that when every episode is released

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:04:43 2010 No.4043376 >>4043362 He's actually sitting at home, weeping over the death of BT. Trying to discuss the finer points of ep6 is like trying to analyze the shape of the shitstain when the insane artist wiped his ass on the canvas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:04:43 2010 No.4043377 >>4043367 this comes directly from EP 6, so don't look at me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:04:43 2010 No.4043379 >>4043366 >Implying alien parasites weren't the answer for Higurashi because it was revealed back in episode 6 of Higurashi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:04:43 2010 No.4043380 >>4043367 Which is exactly why all those stupid things can happen. If you want some solid evidence of what goes on, you should read episodes 1-4, where Battler is the detective and narrates all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:04:43 2010 No.4043383 >>4043361 So how exactly is Ryukishi going to profit from making every VN reader either die from HNNNNGing at moeblob Beato or from depression because of Battler's crazy dickishness and Beato's total death?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:04:43 2010 No.4043384 >>4043367 And yet when Battler was the narrator in EP1-4, he was constantly narrating. There was a reason why Erika is never the narrator.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:05:43 2010 No.4043385 >>4043362 He seems distressed, that no one is actually reading his stuff. That some people say "only the red matters - no need for the rest" or simply stop thinking. Then again, I thought they would make Erika the one who lets Battler out of the room.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:05:43 2010 No.4043387 >>4043360 But unfortunately, nobody has a better theory for how it was solved.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:06:43 2010 No.4043388 I don't know, he's confusing the fuck out of us right now, but we have two more episodes to go. What has been done, may very well be undone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:06:43 2010 No.4043391 >>4043388 Episode 7 may be the last one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:06:43 2010 No.4043394 >>4043380 >Battler is the detective Errrr....

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:06:43 2010 No.4043396 >>4043387 I'll probably theorize when the translation comes out, but I'm sure there's wordplay in it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:06:43 2010 No.4043397 >>4043388 One more episode, actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:07:43 2010 No.4043401 >>4043383 >doujin work >profit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:07:43 2010 No.4043403 >>4043391 Yeah, sure. I doubt that, very much so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:07:43 2010 No.4043404 >>4043394 >implying Battler is not the detective in episodes 1-4 What?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:07:43 2010 No.4043407 >>4043394 What do you mean by 'errr' Dlanor stated in EP 5 that Battler was the detective during EP 1-4.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:07:43 2010 No.4043409

>>4043383
Battler stops being such an asshole after a certain point. You know how he was trapped in his own closed room and tortured to the point of insanity by Erika and Bern? He could have escaped at any point by exposing part of Beato's heart to them, but he absolutely refused to do it, no matter what, even when he's gone crazy enough to consider cutting himself into tiny pieces so he can escape thorugh the bathroom drain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:08:43 2010 No.4043412 >>4043391 Ryukishi isn't going to be able to explain everything in one episode. Dumbass.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:08:43 2010 No.4043413

So here's what the gist of it seems to be.

Erika tries her best to prove Battler, Lambdadelta and Bern wrong all at the same time. They all get really really pissed at her for obvious reasons. Beato somehow saves Battler from logically denying himself or something, despite not being real Beato (wut) and then everyone erases Erika for being such a heartless troll.

During all this there's lots of cool fights, and the game board doesn't get past the first twilight due to Erika's antics. Bern is like "jesus christ do I have to do everything myself" and she starts a new game board, hoping that now that Erika is out of the picture we can actually finish a game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:08:43 2010 No.4043415 >>4043361 >She doesn't really troll though. Right after Erika is gone she goes back to blushing and says she'll be Battler's wife. Ah, seriously?... Well, at least resurrected moeblob/troll Beatrice likes Battler I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:09:43 2010 No.4043418 >>4043385 >He seems distressed, that no one is actually reading his stuff. Like a shitty teacher upset at why all of his students are failing his shitty tests.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:09:43 2010 No.4043419 >>4043413 Not even close.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:09:43 2010 No.4043422 >>4043409 >cutting himself into tiny pieces so he can escape thorugh the bathroom drain. whoa, awesome

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:10:43 2010 No.4043427 >>4043415 She said during the game that she was pretty much born in love with Battler. I can't say I like the Moetrice/Battler combination. I feel bad for our Beato from EP 1-5, since its like he's replacing her almost.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:11:43 2010 No.4043429 Why is everyone suddenly attracted to Battler? Is this going to have a harem end?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:11:43 2010 No.4043430 >>4043422 Say what you want about Battler, but the man is dedicated to his waifu.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:11:43 2010 No.4043432

>>4043375
Well yeah, but this time he's gone a bit overboard. Before, I had a mental image of him smirking in derision (in a good, almost-fatherly way) at us while sipping from a wine glass. Now it feels like that he's going to troll us by just running Umineko into the ground.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:11:43 2010 No.4043433 >>4043429 Only Beato is, though. And Rosa, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:11:43 2010 No.4043435 >>4043430 >the man is dedicated to his waifu. >implying he doesn't replace his original waifu with a copy of her at the end of EP 6.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:12:43 2010 No.4043436 File: 133 KB, 800x533, erika.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043413 >hoping that now that Erika is out of the picture "Unkraut vergeht nicht."

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:12:43 2010 No.4043442 >>4043385 He's not distressed over that. The people who have actually been paying attention and caught his subtle hints are already at or near the truth, now he has to hold onto the hands of the people who still don't grasp the concept of Umineko.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:13:43 2010 No.4043444

>>4043419
Man, well I'll find out in six months or so. Just in time to realize that mr 07 has trolled us even harder with episode 7.

Man, I kind of thought episode 6 would be a troll, but it turned out to actually be good. Lets see how long he can keep this up without the whole thing collapsing into insanity like higurashi did.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:13:43 2010 No.4043445

>>4043361
>Right after Erika is gone she goes back to blushing and says she'll be Battler's wife.
No, she has like two lines of moeblob, then it's back to teasing Battler and being her old self. She never slips back into moeblob after the "lover or wife" line.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:13:43 2010 No.4043447 >>4043409 Forgive me for being stupid, but can you elaborate please? So there was a way for him to escape the logical error, but he chose not to?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:14:43 2010 No.4043449 > Will be laughing when kyrie culprit shatters shkanon as the red herring it is

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:14:43 2010 No.4043451

If it ends next episode, guaranteed shit tier, Ryukishi is incompetent.

Two episodes, maybe he can make something worthwhile.

Shkannontrice is not worthwhile. We've been able to piece it together, and it fits the puzzle relatively well, but it's mind numbingly fucking stupid. Kyrietrice is expected, so that's stupid also.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:14:43 2010 No.4043452

>>4043409
Oh man. Say what you will about Battler, but he really does deserve the world's best husbando award. And not even in the same sense that Rosa deserves the WORLD'S BEST MOTHER award. Guy is crazy dedicated.

I actually like the GRIMDARK superdrama, so I'm looking forward to reading EP6. So fucking much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:14:43 2010 No.4043453 >>4043432 Wait for the translation before you judge. Out of context spoilers really don't help much. Remember all the rage when Ep 5 spoilers first started coming out?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:14:43 2010 No.4043455 >>4043418 [OT] >Like a shitty teacher upset at why all of his students are failing his shitty tests. Judging from my experience as a student usually the students are at fault. [/OT]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:14:43 2010 No.4043456 >>4043447 Yes. He could have escaped by revealing some of Beato's heart to Erika and Bern, but he was determined to protect that even as he went frothing-at-the-mouth insane from the torture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:15:43 2010 No.4043457 >>4043445 Wrong!Battler deleted her after that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:15:43 2010 No.4043459 >>4043444 I mean, I thought episode 5 would be a troll, but it turned out to be good. Typo, not moonspeaker here. Episode six is sounding like crazy troll, but I'm hoping the translation will reveal it not to be so.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:15:43 2010 No.4043460

>>4043447
No he tries to escape it, but he's going nuts trying to figure out how to. His soul is literally trapped inside the room, while Erika is going to marry his comatose body.

He only gets out once Moetrice saves him, saying Kanon was the one who saved him. When Erika can't explain a way for Kanon to save him without resorting to magic she loses and Bern sends her away.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:16:43 2010 No.4043466 >Kyrietrice is expected, so that's stupid also. No man, no. It's not stupid because it's obvious. Face it, would you rather have endgame logic battles with Kyrie culprit....or Gohda culprit? Kyrie or Nanjo? See.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:16:43 2010 No.4043468

>>4043435
Battler makes it explicitly clear that he's waiting for a miracle--namely, moe-Beato remembering what happened between them, even though it technically shouldn't be possible. He says he's now in Beato's old position of waiting.

Then the miracle happen through the power of love.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:17:43 2010 No.4043469 >>4043452 More like crazy Kinzo dedicated. He pretty much attacks Moetrice when he finds out she isn't his Beato.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:17:43 2010 No.4043470 >>4043466 I would like to add to this that Beatrice does not neccessarily have to be the mastermind. Shannon can be a DID Beatrice if you want, but X from the remaining 17 can still be the mastermind, right?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:18:43 2010 No.4043471

>>4043442
Ugh, this sentence couldn't be more pretentious if it tried. Listen, this is /jp/. The people here have no lives whatsoever, fuck, man, on christmas eve I literally had dinner with my laptop. We comb through every little detail, we spend shitloads of time on coming up with theories, and you know what? If Shannonkanontrice is the truth, then Umineko is retarded. It's fucking retarded. No, it's not a deep message about love, it's just a cheap trick to have a confusing mystery. And you know what? The end of episode 5 was glorious. If you are going to tell me that the truth is the bunch of garbage we have now, then I am going to tell you R07 is a moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:18:43 2010 No.4043472 >>4043453 You're probably right, but some of the points mentioned have been given context and they still sound like total shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:18:43 2010 No.4043473 >>4043459 Indeed. That reminds me. I don't recall seeing the line that seemed to imply that Battler was bisexual in the translation of episode 5. Was that really just a mistranslation? I remember everybody going crazy over it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:18:43 2010 No.4043476 >>4043468 He still replaces her. She isn't our Beato from EP 1-5 at all. Whether she gains the memories or not she's still not the same being.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:18:43 2010 No.4043477

>>4043466
The best part of mysteries is when the culprit is someone who you do not expect.

Kyrie has been a suspect, even as only slightly tongue-in-cheek, from the very beginning. She's incredibly able, intelligent, and has a cold side, exactly the kind of person who could orchestrate such a sophisticated murder mystery, which is precisely why a competent author would make her the red herring.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:19:43 2010 No.4043480 >>4043473 it was a sentence taken out of context.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:19:43 2010 No.4043481 >>4043472 Such as?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:19:43 2010 No.4043482 >>4043473 mistranslation lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:19:43 2010 No.4043484 >>4043476 It's a little more complicated than that. We're told to think of Moe-Beato as an "egg". When Battler is talking to Beato in his head, Beato tells him, "If there's a miracle, she may even become me."

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:20:43 2010 No.4043485 >>4043471 What would satisfy you then? Mysterious 18th person Beato who happened to slip by all the reds?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:20:43 2010 No.4043486 >>4043473 Of course it was, you idiot.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:20:43 2010 No.4043488

>>4043460
>Bern sends her away.
No, Beato literally duels her for Battler's sake. (Yes, she rushes up to the front of the church with the Siestas sniping her and throws one of Ronove's gloves on the floor in front of Erika) Then she proceeds to rape her with the Kanon solution to the logic error, cackling and trolling the entire time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:20:43 2010 No.4043490 >>4043477 Kanon has been an obvious culprit since EP 1 as well. Same with Shannon, when you realize Battler never saw her body so she could have been faking her death.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:20:43 2010 No.4043492 >>4043484 Though yeah, her personality still seems kind of unstable by the end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:20:43 2010 No.4043495 So wait, what I've heard of Moe-Beatrice is that at the end of episode 6 she gets her memories back, but she her personality may be a little different?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:21:43 2010 No.4043497

>>4043451
This. Shkanontrice is dumb. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. And its very existance makes everyone around dumb.
Jessica is now dumb for not realising Kanon is Shannon. Ditto with George. Battler is also a moron.
The only way Jessica and George could possibly make that mistake would be if they didn't truly "love" Kanon and Shannon, because anyone with even a minute bond should be able to pick that shit up and recognise when YOUR BOYFRIEND IS DRESSED IN A MAID OUTFIT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:21:43 2010 No.4043498 >>4043486 But in the animesuki forums, chronotrig said that it was technically a correct translation.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:22:43 2010 No.4043501
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>>4043484
>When Battler is talking to Beato in his head
>in his head

Yeah, because we should definietly trust the voices in our head. Just ask Natsuhi, who thought Kinzo let her wear the eagle on her heart.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:22:43 2010 No.4043502 >>4043357 I will find you a scene where Battler talks with Kanon and Shannon in the same room at the same time and prove to you that even if we take this bullshit into account Kanon/Shannon being the same person is full of shit.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:22:43 2010 No.4043504

I used to be an opponent of the Shannon = Kanon theory, but I'm oddly okay with the version that's in Episode 6, even if it includes Beatrice in there. That might be due to the fact that they're still all different people in this theory, even if they occupy the same body, while the old theory was that it was the same personality, just pretending.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:23:43 2010 No.4043507

Kyrietrice would be stupid, Kyrie as culprit would be okay, because even if it's obvious, it would have a suitably intense and satisfying emotional payoff and lead to a great final confrontation and climax.

What would be the emotional payoff of Shkannontrice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:23:43 2010 No.4043508 >>4043490 I concur. Kanon's disappearing body act made him just as obvious a culprit as Kyrie if not more so, except without the benefit of being satisfying in any imaginable way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:23:43 2010 No.4043509 >>4043497 Anyone who thinks Shkanon means Shannon is and has always been Kanon is retarded. Shkanon only applies (and largely only works out) when you consider Kanon may have died a few days before the conference.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:23:43 2010 No.4043512

>>4043490
I don't buy into Shkannontrice. Shkannon, sure, why the fuck not, but I hold steadfast to fake Beatrice and culprit being different people.

Kyrie culprit theory is incredibly unsatisfying. I don't care what kind of meta magical logic fights we get, it will have jumped the shark, and end up being trite.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:24:43 2010 No.4043514

>>4043495
>So wait, what I've heard of Moe-Beatrice is that at the end of episode 6 she gets her memories back, but she her personality may be a little different?
Moe-Beatrice at the end is basically is Beatrice, but with occasional flashes of moe that settle down. It's not just a matter of regaining memories, because Moe-Beato spends a large part of the game reading old Kakera in order to understand her old self, but she's still distinct until both Lambda and Kanon shove her into remembering what she was good at and what it really means to be the Golden Witch.

We don't really know how things will be next game.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:25:43 2010 No.4043516

>>4043502
Moron. There is no scene where Battler sees Kanon and Shannon together from his perspective while he is the detective.

You think you can just come along and hurr all over the place, saying the theory is retarded, thinking you can find proof it's wrong? You can't, if someone could, they would have done it by now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:25:43 2010 No.4043518 >>4043512 Shkanon and Shannon/Kanon being the culprit are not necessarily correspondent. They can still be the same person without being the culprit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:26:43 2010 No.4043523 >>4043518 What would be the point, though? It would be the story trolling just for the sake of trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:26:43 2010 No.4043525 >>4043514 I'll rage like a motherfucker if New Beatrice completely becomes old Beato. That shit is impossible, plus the red stating that it won't happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:28:43 2010 No.4043535 Do the different personalities of a person suffering from multiple personality disorder each have a soul?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:28:43 2010 No.4043539 >>4043525 >plus the red stating that it won't happen. Beato said it was possible, though. I don't think red is the only thing you can trust, personally.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:29:43 2010 No.4043541

>>4043525
Think of it as this. The old Beatrice is dead and will never come back, as you said that's in red. The new Beatrice could potentially become just like the old Beatrice though if raised correctly. Not only does the new Beatrice still have the same nature as the old Beatrice but Battler might be crazy enough to force her to become the old Beatrice.

Not only that, but when we're talking the meta world fantasy can pretty much do whatever it wants.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:29:43 2010 No.4043542 Shanon = Kanon would make this a word game: Red text: "6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are dead!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:30:43 2010 No.4043547 Could someone recap the Kanon saving Battler closed room riddle and what made it so impossible?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:30:43 2010 No.4043548

>>4043507
I don't like Kyrietrice either.

I have a personal theory: Kyrie isn't the culprit or the overall mastermind. She's a decoy culprit rather. She creates all the closed rooms and sometimes steers people off the track. But in reality she's being forced - the culprit poisoned Ange and Kyrie has to work for them to make sure she's cured. On the island when Kyrie organizes the closed rooms the culprit finds no use for her and kills her off (EP 1-2). EP 3 she's with an entire group of people, so attacking her is impossible. EP 4 is a crazy ass mess, so I can't really explain that one. EP 5 we don't know about though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:30:43 2010 No.4043552 >>4043542 What is a person? inb4 miserable pile of secrets

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:31:43 2010 No.4043555

>>4043481
Killing off Beato for good, apparently in red, no less.
Elevating Shkannontrice to a plausibility beyond "bullshit"
Erika going apeshit during the 1st twilight

"Some" might've been a bit extreme, but those are the main points I've read any details about. Of course, you can argue that there hasn't been enough context given for those, so I suppose I look rather silly right now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:31:43 2010 No.4043556 >>4043541 I still don't like it. Even if she regained the memories and has a similar personality she still isn't the same Beato. It feels like Battler is replacing the Beato from EP 1-5 like this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:32:43 2010 No.4043560 >>4043555 Hey, Erika going apeshit is awesome. Not sure about the rest though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:32:43 2010 No.4043561 >>4043547 The two red texts that form the crux of it are the following: Kanon did not leave the guest room. Kanon does not exist in the guest room. (That's what I remember it as, at least.)

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:32:43 2010 No.4043562

>>4043514
Moe-Beato spends her time looking at Kakera of original Beato? Is this because Battler had her do that?

I'm beginning to wonder if this story is going to be a tragic cycle of: Battler loses memories -> Beato brings him to his senses -> Beato loses memories -> Battler brings her to her senses.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:32:43 2010 No.4043563

>>4043541
It would be retarded though, Ryukishi hammers in every chance he gets about love, and then we get Battler basically cloning Beatrice, her memories get installed into her like a backup disk, perhaps even the personality is the same, and says "Eh, this is good enough."

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:33:43 2010 No.4043565 >>4043561 Also, note that Kanon was stated to have entered the room in red.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:34:43 2010 No.4043573

>>4043562
No. She wanted to be like the Beato that Battler knew, so she asked meta-Kumasawa how she could do that. meta-Kumasawa then turned into Virgilia and took her to visit Featherine, who allowed moe!Beato to look through her records of the past Kakera.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:34:43 2010 No.4043577 >>4043548 A 3rd party would've been hinted at in prior episodes. Saying it was the Sumadera family would be a stretch.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:35:06 2010 No.4043583 [DELETED]

>>4043547
Battler lies there dead/faking his death
Erika seals the room with tape
=> closed room
Erika opens the room and immediately closes it again
=> still a closed room
Battler doesn't lie there any more
Battler isn't in the room
Erika checks the bath and is distracted for a short time
Battler is neither in the bath nor in the room
The room a still closed.

You see the problem?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:35:43 2010 No.4043591 >>4043548 i'm ok with this

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:36:43 2010 No.4043594

>>4043577
I'm not saying its the Sumadera family. They have no reason to poison Ange or to go after the Ushiromiya family at that time.

The mastermind, one of the other people on the island, is the one forcing her. You can say in EP 3 that she even took Hideyoshi to the mansion because the culprit sent her a note or something telling her to.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:38:43 2010 No.4043598

>>4043594
same person.

Ange being sick is also hinted at. In EP 4 it says that she got sick on Oct 3rd. Normally when people get sick its not so sudden. Especially with the flu, there are always symptoms beforehand. Battler then says in EP 5 she has stomach problems and diarrhea, which aren't regular flu symptoms.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:38:43 2010 No.4043600 >>4043556 I suppose her body hasn't been raped by Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:39:43 2010 No.4043607 >>4043563 It could go either way at this point. He's doing exactly what Kinzo did, but if he stays like Kinzo he'll never accept the new one. If he manages to accept the new Beatrice then he will have become his own man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:39:43 2010 No.4043611 >>4043600 She doesn't have to be raped by Kinzo. All I'm saying is she isn't the same Beato, no matter what way you see it as. It just feels like to me that Battler is replacing Beato from EP 1-5.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:41:43 2010 No.4043621

>>4043598
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Signs_and_symptoms
>Symptoms of influenza can start quite suddenly one to two days after infection.
>In children, gastrointestinal symptoms such as diarrhea and abdominal pain,[49][50] (may be severe in children with influenza B)[51]

Even if Ange's symptoms were atypical of the flu, one can just argue that it was a misdiagnoses.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:42:43 2010 No.4043625 >>4043621 One to two days. In EP 4 it says Ange just got sick on the 3rd. Something just doesn't add up.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:43:43 2010 No.4043629

>>4043611
How can he be replacing her if he accepts her as she is. He's willing to wait for her to regain her memories as a "once in a thousand years" miracle, but he's not trying to program her into being his Beato. She just naturally becomes that way. It's not just her personality, she remarks about EP5 and other things the original Beato would know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:43:43 2010 No.4043632 >>4043611 Everyone should have to be raped by kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:43:43 2010 No.4043633 Who else do you want Beatrice to be? Beatrice can't be her own person in real life because she no longer exists. She's either a person on the island, a manifestation of love/jealously gone horribly wrong or a bomb. Take your pick.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:44:43 2010 No.4043640

>>4043334
>
The series degrades itself if three characters are all the same person. Not to mention the sheer implausibility of it. What, in episode 4 you expect me to believe that Kanon disguised himself as Shannon, who then disguised herself as Beatrice, hauled ass to the second floor, confronted Battler, changed back to Shannon, and then died?

s/he had plenty of time to do it you know...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:44:43 2010 No.4043642 >>4043611 You know it's not too uncommon for people to move on and find new love when their old lover dies. I suppose it's more "beautiful" if they never find new love again in literature though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:44:43 2010 No.4043644 >>4043625 What's the problem? She got infected on the second. Her marshmallows became syrup on the third. She couldn't come to the conference on the 4th.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:44:43 2010 No.4043646 Can we agree at the very least that "Beatrice" is the mastermind behind all the murders regardless on what her real life identity is?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:45:43 2010 No.4043647

>>4043611
I'm actually okay with this, in a way. Beato with the same personality and memories is the best Battler is going to get if the original Beato can't be resurrected.

And let's face it, the only person who will be able to tell the difference if it pans out is original Beato.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:45:43 2010 No.4043650 >>4043625 Being infected does not equal being symptomatic. She could have got the virus on Oct. 1 and suddenly developed symptoms two days later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:45:43 2010 No.4043651 >>4043646 No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:47:43 2010 No.4043658 >>4043633 People are still wishing that there was an 18th person human Beatrice. They're not upset with the reality that since that's not true, one of the 17 has to be Beato.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:47:43 2010 No.4043659 >>4043646 No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:47:43 2010 No.4043663 Beato is a shape-shifting reptilian alien from the Alpha Draconis star system. Google it, they're out there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:48:43 2010 No.4043670 I find it hard to root for a pairing that occurs in the meta world. Especially since it's confirmed that it's just a fan fiction by super hanyuu. Batler x Beato is dead to me

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:49:43 2010 No.4043677

>>4043642
I'm not saying it isn't, but considering how the relationship between Battler and Beato builds and builds up to the boiling point of EP 5 and Battler finally realizes he loves Beato, its just weird for me that he accepts a new Beato so soon.

Sorry, I just don't like it that he's replacing Beato with what is essentially a new Beato, only with the same memories and similar personality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:49:43 2010 No.4043678 >>4043670 >Batler x Beato is dead to me Me too. I fucking wrote fanfiction for this pairing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:49:43 2010 No.4043680 >>4043670 > fan-fiction Featherine observes kakera. Hachijou just writes down what is observed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:50:43 2010 No.4043687 >>4043677 He hasn't accepted the new Beatrice though. He probably didn't even start developing feelings for her until episode 3 anyway.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:51:43 2010 No.4043691

>>4043680
this.

She's not technically writing EP 3-6 right out of her head, as much as she is looking at the fragments to do so. I doubt she would have learned about Kyrie's 18 year jealously or the way Shannon feels okay with dying since she's a wife now just by reading facts about them and taking contents from the lettered bottles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:51:43 2010 No.4043692 >>4043680 magic is just a metaphor if you haven't figured it out by now

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:51:43 2010 No.4043697 >>4043692 >magic is just a gloss-over fixed

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:52:43 2010 No.4043703

>>4043687
He hasn't completely accepted her, but he did say that he would be with her forever.

It just doesn't feel right to me. Its almost hypocritical now about how pissed he was at Rudolf for going to Kyrie after Asumu died, since he almost did the same exact thing in EP 6.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:52:43 2010 No.4043705 File: 11 KB, 209x183, 1250137965242.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043678 That's actually pretty funny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:54:43 2010 No.4043712 >>4043703 He admitted that was immature of him to get upset over though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:54:43 2010 No.4043713 >>4043670 >>4043678 >Fan-fiction Fan-fiction because they are in the meta-world? What the hell does that make Featherine anyway? Isn't she a denizen of the meta-world too? Doesn't the meta-world have some level of influence over the human-world?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:54:43 2010 No.4043715 >>4043705 Thank you. I was hoping someone would laugh at that. I swear, people are being so melodramatic over this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:54:43 2010 No.4043716 >>4043712 Not really. He said it was immature that he just ran away from home for 6 years over it. He had every right to be angry that Rudolf basically had an affair with Kyrie during his marriage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:55:43 2010 No.4043720 File: 62 KB, 231x251, slowkinzo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043715 laugh at- oh wait, now I get it. Okay I chuckled

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:56:43 2010 No.4043722 >>4043716 Having an affair is not the same thing as moving on after his lover passed on though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:57:43 2010 No.4043728 >Beato is the Bomb >Umineko no Naku Koro ni: Or how I learned to Love the Bomb

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:57:43 2010 No.4043729 >>4043713 Featherine is in a Kakera that can observe the Kakera of Beato's game. Think of it as being in a "higher position", so to speak.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:58:43 2010 No.4043733

>>4043722
Battler just moved on too quick for me and he moved onto what is essentially an almost exact copy of his old lover.

Sorry, but this is just a matter of opinion. I just don't think its right. Even if you tell me she's an egg to become Beato or whatever it just feels weird to me.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:58:43 2010 No.4043735

>>4043691

She's a famous AUTHOR with many pen names.

Having an imagination is part of the job. So yes, she's making up things to advance the plot.

This following red truth is actually said in the game

"If you know the basic premise behind the murders, you can spin an infinite story on how in happened"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:59:43 2010 No.4043736 >>4043733 This is kind of the point. Battler is turning into Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 03:59:43 2010 No.4043742 File: 101 KB, 1024x768, dr_strangelove_1ed07.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043728

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:00:43 2010 No.4043744 >>4043736 I noticed that and it doesn't make me happy really. Oh well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:00:43 2010 No.4043746 >>4043713 You got it switched. The real world influences the Meta World.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:00:43 2010 No.4043751 >>4043658 Beato is Kinzo,

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:01:43 2010 No.4043755 >>4043736 So... uh... where do we get to the point that love is shown to be worth having?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:01:43 2010 No.4043757 >>4043713 No, the meta world has absolutely no effect on the real world. Haven't you figured this out by now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:03:43 2010 No.4043765 >>4043755 Well, there's this scene in episode 6 where Jessica utterly destroys Kyrie Jessica; "You have a lot of jealously, but you don't have love, aunt Kyrie" Kyrie status; TOLD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:03:43 2010 No.4043767 >>4043755 The new theme is "Without love, you won't go batshit insane and clone your waifu." Shit is deep.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:03:43 2010 No.4043768 >>4043735 Does that mean Ange's discussions with Featherine were taking place in the manuscript? So Ange in the real world was reading about Ange-Beatrice in the meta world talking to Featherine about the events of the 6th game?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:04:43 2010 No.4043775 >>4043768 And wouldn't that mean that Hachijou had predicted Ange's death?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:05:43 2010 No.4043776 >>4043768 >Ange reading about Ange Xzibit confirmed for final sorcerer.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:05:43 2010 No.4043781

>>4043765
yeah because being loyal to guy for almost 20 years and loving him despite his flaws definietly isn't love.

and this is coming from jessica, who kanon only confessed to around noon time the same day she fights kyrie. I mean really you cannot compare teenage love to a love that has lasted almost two decades.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:06:43 2010 No.4043782 >>4043768 I don't think she's writing about the Meta-World, just the gameboard. But I could be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:06:43 2010 No.4043790 The only thing Featherine wrote were the stories in the bottles right? None of those include the meta world stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:06:43 2010 No.4043792 >>4043782 At some point, real-world Ange mentions something about Featherine in the manuscript being a representation of Hachijou.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:07:43 2010 No.4043793 >>4043746 So how is Rokkenjima stuck in a time loop?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:07:43 2010 No.4043794 >>4043775 No, because Ange died in the game as a hamburger. That part doesn't refer to 1998, where she'll die the next day (or the day after).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:08:43 2010 No.4043798 >>4043793 It's not. Magic is a metaphor/gloss over

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:09:43 2010 No.4043808 >>4043792 Well then, Umineko is retarded. Fucking retarded.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:09:43 2010 No.4043809

>>4043781
agreed.

I can't stand Kanon/Jessica, because it is literally teenage love angst. George/Shannon might be boring to some people, but both have way more love for each other. the fact that in the end they're the winners of the lovers trial proves that even more

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:09:43 2010 No.4043810 >>4043781 It depends on if Kyrie is with Rudolf really for love or not. Though I happen to think even if she is the culprit that she does hold love to some degree. If not for Rudolf at least for Ange and possibly Battler.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:09:43 2010 No.4043813 >>4043781 Damn. You're right. Just when I was about to accept that Jessica might have been made likable for episode 6.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:11:43 2010 No.4043826

>>4043810
I can't see how Kyrie cannot be in love with Rudolf. Why would she need money, when she was going to be the next head of the Sumadera family, which is loaded with money. She gave being up the head of a major family just to be with Rudolf and be his wife.

Not to mention the way she talks about Asumu being a bitch and a whore, it just makes no sense to me that Kyrie doesn't love Rudolf.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:12:43 2010 No.4043839

Here's what the meta world is in Umineko

Fact: Person A ate a sandwich blindfolded

The metaworld can spin as many versions as possible as to why person A ate a sandwhich blindfolded. It can arrange the most dramatic and heart touching scenario as why person A might do such a thing. It may even insert imaginary character guiding person A to ultimately eat a sandwich blindfolded.

But in the end it's just that. meta..

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:13:43 2010 No.4043842

>>4043798
So wait, is the idea everyone died on the island, and each game is more or less some dude writing some alternate theory about how it happened?

Wait, fuck, so I'm reading meta-fiction? As in fiction about fiction? I'm not sure I'm okay with this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:16:43 2010 No.4043870 File: 53 KB, 702x479, more like trollkishi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043842 I heard you like fiction in your fiction, so I put some fiction in your fiction's fiction so it can fiction while you fiction its fiction!

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:17:43 2010 No.4043877

>>4043842

It's at least 2 writters

Episode 1 and 2 were written by Maria who presumably knows the entire truth
Episode 3 to 6 are written by Touya who has read Maria's letters. She doesn't have the entire truth, and is writting these scenarios in hope of reaching it. (just like a conspiracy theorist)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:18:43 2010 No.4043887 >>4043877 Tooya actually claimed to Ange that she does know the truth, if I recalled correctly, and is writing about the stories she sees in the kakeras.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:20:43 2010 No.4043901

>>4043877
But the idea is she's just writing shit, right?

As in she doesn't have the slightest fucking clue as to what is going on. Thought that the murders of Rokkenjima were interesting, and decided to write about some Meta-world, Battler fighting witches and family members killing each other in some convoluted piece of writing she pulled out of her head.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:21:43 2010 No.4043909 >>4043901 well she says she knows the truth, but yeah she's basically making up magical shit to sell big bucks. Ange is not pleased at all when she hears about this, since Tooya is pretty much profiting off the deaths of her family.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:21:43 2010 No.4043912 >>4043887 This is correct. IIRC she even says that as long as you know the truth you can make up your own story yourself because you know the basic rules.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:24:43 2010 No.4043927 >>4043912 which is essentially correct. This is why Bern was able to throw Erika into EP 5. Erika didn't conflict with the rules of the game or the board, due to the red text, so it was okay to bring her in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:25:43 2010 No.4043932 >>4043927 how does that explain batshit explain murderous Erika in episode 6? Is this the logic error people have been referring to?

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:26:43 2010 No.4043934

So basically the story goes like this:

Family went to Island -> Died on island
Writer hears about the island murders -> Writes shit about it

We see the shit written in the episodes. Which entail a fiction within a fiction. None of the characters we see on that date exist except for in a very abstract sense (There was an Ushiromiya Battler, but his personality wasn't the same as displayed, same with everyone else on the island)

Ange searching for answers and her reading Maria's diary never happened. All of it is fiction by an Author to make money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:29:43 2010 No.4043941 >>4043932 game board in episode 6 is unwinnable because Erika committed murders it's a contradiction

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:29:43 2010 No.4043943 File: 447 KB, 853x480, 1248578937927.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043934 Can't facepalm hard enough if even half of that is true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:30:43 2010 No.4043951 >>4043934 >Ange searching for answers and her reading Maria's diary never happened. All of it is fiction by an Author to make money. wat

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:31:43 2010 No.4043953

>>4043934
Continuing on this, Kakera also don't exist, essentially everything we see in the episodes doesn't exist and doesn't happen in this universe. Only an author, and a girl who's angry with the author for writing about her family's death on an island.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:31:43 2010 No.4043956 Episode 6 is unwinnable because Erika did things that wasn't supposed to happen

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:32:43 2010 No.4043962

>>4043932
Logical error:

Piece Battler put the letter by the guest house which Erika found. His death nor the other deaths weren't confirmed, so it was possible. However Erika had taped his room up and it was a closed room, so it should have been impossible for him to leave. Battler says that Kyrie switched places with him however and trapped herself in his place, so he was able to put the letter.

Erika however said this was impossible. Why? Because she killed Kyrie by chopping off her head. She did the same to all the other victims but Battler. Since she has no detective authority she couldn't confirm them dead by sight, so she decided to kill them to make sure they were dead.

This creates a logical error. There was no way Battler could have gotten out of the room to put the letter down, even though it was said that he did. That means the gameboard isn't solvable.

However Moetrice comes to the rescue with the red that Kanon had switched places with Battler. Erika and her fight, but in the end Erika can't figure out a solution to how Kanon got out of the room without resorting to magic (since Erika taped up his room) and is eliminated from the board

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:32:43 2010 No.4043963 >>4043953 So did this girl search for answers and read Maria's diary or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:33:43 2010 No.4043972 Wait... so.. so everything in Umineko as a whole isn't actually happening?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:35:43 2010 No.4043982 >>4043972 that's right because it's a fictional tale. just like the umineko series as whole

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:36:43 2010 No.4043987 >>4043982 That's...that's not even deep or anything. That's just fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:36:43 2010 No.4043992 A fiction within a fiction... I don't know how to feel about this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:37:43 2010 No.4043995 >>4043992 see >>4043870

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:37:43 2010 No.4043996 >>4043963 No, I mean, Ange's timeline was based entirely off of one of the plots written by the author, it shouldn't even exist in the first place. The only one she's in is where no one actually returned from the island.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:38:43 2010 No.4044001 >>4043996 not even Eva. So then the Ange we see comes from the EP 1 game?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:39:43 2010 No.4044009 >>4044001 Why can she speak to Deux Ex Hanyuu Witch if she's EP1 ange?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:39:43 2010 No.4044015 >>4043996 The idea is that parallel worlds do exist. Tooya is seeing the kakera and writing the stories about them, but those worlds do still happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:40:43 2010 No.4044017 File: 116 KB, 627x476, ironhide_facepalm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4043996 >The only one she's in is where no one actually returned from the island. I... see...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:40:43 2010 No.4044021 >>4044009 EP 1-2 weren't written by Tooya. EP 3-6 were.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:41:43 2010 No.4044022 >>4044015 >>4044009 Magic isn't real.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:41:43 2010 No.4044024 >>4044001 Essentially, all that crap in episode 4 though about Ange looking for answers never happened though. (Or was that episode 3?) Eva never returned, so Ange couldn't have been raised by her, couldn't inherit some vast wealth, so on and so forth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:41:43 2010 No.4044026 >>4044022 Then why the fuck can Ange and Featherine talk in a meta-world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:42:43 2010 No.4044030 >>4044024 How does Amakusa fit in?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:43:43 2010 No.4044037 >>4044026 Because Ange is just as schitzophrenic as her cousin is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:44:43 2010 No.4044041 >>4044030 >Amakusa Doesn't exist, written by the author. >>4044026 Meta-world doesn't exist, Featherine is probably jacking off to her imagination.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:45:43 2010 No.4044047

>>4044037
But if EP 4 world isn't real then-

you know what I don't even know anymore. Sorry, but after all the shit through EP 1-6 this just doesn't make any sense to me at all. I honestly believe Ryukishi is just trying to make as epic of a story as he can and its falling to pieces as he's doing it.

Or maybe it's almost 5am and I just don't feel like thinking right now,

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:46:43 2010 No.4044060 >>4044037 In episode 6, Is this Ange in a world where her aunt never returns? Because if she's in the one with her aunt than it's likely Featherine is the one imaging Ange talking to her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:50:43 2010 No.4044080 Feels like Ryu07 just took a giant shit on me.

Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:50:43 2010 No.4044082

>>4044047
None of the worlds are real,

The only piece of truth in the first two episodes is that the entire family died.

Episodes 3-6 have absolutely no truth in them, except that a writer has written those episodes.

The VN is a story about the story that some author pulled out of their ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:50:43 2010 No.4044085 >>4044060 EP6 Ange wakes up and thinks about how she went on a journey to find the truth about twelve years ago after Eva died, so I'm not totally sure what this anon is talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:50:43 2010 No.4044086 I'd rather take punishment game moe moe over trying too hard to be deep Xzibit fiction within fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:50:43 2010 No.4044087 I just hope that at the end of all this, I can say that I enjoyed Umineko and was relatively satisfied by it rather than wishing that Ryuukishi died immediately after episode 5 was released.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:52:43 2010 No.4044092 >>4044082 But the fact that there are two letters means something significant I think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:53:43 2010 No.4044102 New Thread: >>4044101

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:54:43 2010 No.4044109 >>4044085 I see. I feel better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 2 04:56:43 2010 No.4044119 >>4044109 Also, Amakusa definitely exists with Ange, so I think you guys are getting partially trolled.

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