Shouldn't the new Detective Satori be out by now? Will Mima make it in this issue?

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Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:10:10 2022 No.38796152 [Reply] [Original]

Shouldn't the new Detective Satori be out by now? Will Mima make it in this issue?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:10:31 2022 No.38796157 Should be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:13:01 2022 No.38796180 File: 120 KB, 346x432, WHO'S THAT TOUHOU.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38796152 Should be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:13:13 2022 No.38796184 >>38796152 It is out, and it's not Mima. RIP. https://comic-walker.com/viewer/?tw=2&dlcl=ja&cid=KDCW_AM21201276010020_68

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:14:48 2022 No.38796199 File: 447 KB, 704x590, Mizuchi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38796152 Mima surely looks different.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:18:01 2022 No.38796230 >>38796184 >>38796199 Are you kidding me? Months of filler, build up, and nothing happening, and the "secret vengeful spirit from reimu's past who has a grudge and knows everything about her" is just some newhu? What's even the mystery?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:19:35 2022 No.38796249 >>38796199 >Paper dolls Are they gonna add some link/reference to the gacha?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:19:44 2022 No.38796252 >>38796199 Who the hell

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:46:15 2022 No.38796475 >>38796230 At least we all can now perish in a radioactive hellfire with knowledge that Mima never ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:49:26 2022 No.38796505 >>38796475 Yeah if we didn't get her THIS time it really won't ever happen. I don't even care about Mima but I really didn't want all this buildup to just be yet another new character who'll get beaten down and mostly forgotten in canon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:54:03 2022 No.38796540 >>38796230 >>38796475 >>38796505 To be fair I was less expecting Mima and more expecting Koishi It would have made so much sense given that this is a manga about Satori after all and she manipulates the unconscious and whatnot

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:54:58 2022 No.38796542

>>38796199
Please tell me this is a joke please tell me this is a joke please tell me this is a joke I bet $400 that it was Mima everyone here was so confident it was Mima I lost my job recently I can't afford to lose $400 please tell me this is a joke that there's some twist that it's a redesign anything fuck fuck fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 04:57:44 2022 No.38796558 File: 36 KB, 223x538, le escape king.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] MIMASISTERS.... DID WE JUST LOSE? heads down to the fuhrerbunker to do an hero

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:02:57 2022 No.38796601 AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:06:31 2022 No.38796628 >>38796199 vomits This looks NOTHING like a ZUN design, looks like this kuso artist was given the chance of making an edgy emo OC donut steel cannon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:09:40 2022 No.38796659 File: 1.14 MB, 1400x938, mok.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] More importantly, we have (nearly) topless Mokou this chapter. If this keeps up she'll be butt naked by next month

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:09:44 2022 No.38796661 >>38796199 Dropped 2hu brand and all things related, I’m gonna go back to the Genshin/Fate stuff. You had one job ZUN.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:15:58 2022 No.38796716 >>38796659 I really wonder how should looks like if Ginmokusei kept working in the manga.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:19:44 2022 No.38796752 >>38796716 We'd still be in filler if they were in charge. a month for ten whole pages. two of which are the covers

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:36:22 2022 No.38796938
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>>38796184
Nah, it's just Mima pranking Reimu and co by assuming a new identity and shit. Right?

..right, ZUN..?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:38:51 2022 No.38796967 >>38796938 Or, or maybe Satori will look at Mizuchi, squint her eyes, and say "Actually that isn't the culprit" haha

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:39:36 2022 No.38796975 File: 142 KB, 528x577, 1644063413566.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] At least Mima is the jailbreak king In my memories

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:39:49 2022 No.38796977 >>38796938 It's time to let it go, friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:43:15 2022 No.38797021 File: 338 KB, 565x598, dead detective.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38796938 stop torturing yourself Mimabro

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:44:00 2022 No.38797028 >ZUN >showing love to PC-98hus You guys never learn, huh...

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:47:48 2022 No.38797064
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Look, basically, I'm just not gonna bring Mima back

I know...
UGHHHHH... I know!
I'm sorry!!!!!

It’s just that I’m not going to bring her back ever is all.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:50:48 2022 No.38797097 File: 267 KB, 929x419, 1619245220639.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38796938 Your friends are waiting for you at Makai, Mima

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:54:45 2022 No.38797139 Do you guys think manga's getting axed? Newhu's appearance is quite sudden. I don't think we can return to the "who is possessed now" cases anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:58:34 2022 No.38797190 I WILL SAVE YOU MOKOU

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 05:59:45 2022 No.38797202 >>38797139 Probably. This and LE have been fucking nothingburgers. Nothing happens. This ESPECIALLY applies to LE

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 06:04:19 2022 No.38797252

>>38797139
No, but the current story was too soon.
This is a middle of the manga arc, not a starting arc.
Satori was rendered useless too early on and serves no real purpose going forwards.
Satori not being able to solve a case because everyone was innocent isn't something you open with. A better starting arc would be something along the lines of Satorin beginning her new journey in Chireikiden solving small requests. In her time as detective, she would have had any amount of experience to help her up to that point rather than woo, Satori is a detective now! All out of the blue with no context or explanation! Of course, another mangaka wrote the manga to start off, so there's not much that can be done.
The ordering is a mixed mess that can only be fixed if it's revealed at the end of this arc, retired Satori is reminiscing over her favorite cases, or the cases that proved difficult to her.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 06:11:34 2022 No.38797306

>>38797202
What are you expecting from reading Lotus Eaters? It's not berserk lol. Nobody is going to get hurt or die. It's slice of life like K-ON or Lucky Star where literally nothing happens. The most ZUN would do is add a new Touhou character. I think he uses the manga mostly to flex his knowledge on Japanese folklore, traditions and mythology as well as worldbuilding

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 06:12:22 2022 No.38797313

>>38797252
Yeah, this manga looks more like "Gensokyo Gets Trolled By Vengeful Spirit" than "Foul Detective Satori". Even in the first chapter it feels underwhelming; Orin is doing the investigation on the field, not Satori. The average reader would've asked themselves at this point: "wait, is this really about Satori or nah?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 06:29:24 2022 No.38797462 >>38796199 >Yukari jobbed to this Yukaribros..

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 06:44:10 2022 No.38797586 File: 75 KB, 292x257, 1559770146628.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38796199 MIMAFAGS BTFO LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 06:44:13 2022 No.38797589 By the way, how did newhu possessed Yukari again?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 07:04:12 2022 No.38797838 File: 55 KB, 959x710, 1480984262530.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38797589 Yukari's role is to be a jobber nowadays. She's not as big of a deal as she was a decade ago anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 07:07:52 2022 No.38797875 >>38797838 She's too old for this shit

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 07:31:14 2022 No.38798102
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Honestly in the Touhou canon has anything actually ever happened? Only in the time periods that are directly portrayed in official content that is. No one ever dies or winds up seriously maimed and no one ever takes things too seriously. They always go watch flowers and party afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 07:47:57 2022 No.38798269 >>38798102 Tell that to Orange

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 07:55:35 2022 No.38798343

This is just me coping, but what if it turns out the newhu can't be caught because she just possesses whoever beats her, and so has to be fought by someone without a body to hijack; i.e. another vengeful spirit. This would necessitate the release of Mima, bringing her back into Windows canon as someone who is reformed into a Chaotic Neutral-type character (under Marisa's guidance) rather than Chaotic Evil, with her also having something big to taunt Reimu with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 07:58:18 2022 No.38798364 >>38798269 Or the poor Fortune Teller

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 08:28:01 2022 No.38798657 File: 48 KB, 664x790, 1640024598026.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://dec.2chan.net/55/res/15173785.htm Even 2chan isn't taking it well

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 08:29:19 2022 No.38798671

>>38798102
The Fortune Teller got fucked up for going Youkai, and a Baby Tsukumogami got fucked up for being born within village territory when it was hellbent on revenge.
Other than that, it's just everyone getting drunk, fawning over villager hunks, fairies getting into dumb shit, Gensokyo's powerhouses being bored and doing dumb shit of their own so they don't get bored enough to start another incident, and sometimes there's a starring or surprise newhu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 08:35:53 2022 No.38798730 >>38798657 Here's another thread. https://dec.2chan.net/55/res/15173399.htm I don't know, they seem to be taking it alright.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 08:43:18 2022 No.38798781 >>38798657 how come you can just tell a western artist drew that picture is it the eyes? https://twitter.com/starman_exe/status/1498171414205009922/photo/1

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 08:48:20 2022 No.38798823 File: 111 KB, 682x226, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38798730 I'm on this guy's side

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 08:51:41 2022 No.38798846 File: 1.09 MB, 1411x800, 1523860216366.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38798781 most of them tend to have a cartoonish look on their faces so it is easy for me to recognize

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:29:56 2022 No.38799046 >>38797462 She has a bunch of shikigami around her. Maybe Yukari's shikigami weren't enough to match her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:32:03 2022 No.38799058 File: 20 KB, 359x113, useless satori.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38798730 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:33:05 2022 No.38799062 File: 178 KB, 396x449, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I didn't notice this before, but the possessed (and Mizuchi herself) have teardrop pupils between toutetsu and this ZUN's been doing unusual eyes lately

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:35:37 2022 No.38799077 >>38798102 Reimu murdered that merchant because she couldn't fix him after he got possessed by his horses he killed and ate. >>38799062 That's a spirit fire, not a teardrop

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:42:30 2022 No.38799107 WHY THE FUCK DID YOU HAVE TO TAKE MIMA AWAY FROM US YOU MOTHER FUCKER! FUCKER! FUCKER! FUCKER!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:44:05 2022 No.38799113 >>38796199 Her hairstyle makes her look like some dead Hakurei ancestor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:45:31 2022 No.38799121 File: 82 KB, 412x384, 1404090005196.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it wasn't supposed to end like this

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:48:10 2022 No.38799140 File: 134 KB, 850x1202, 1627936136667.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So her name's Mizuchi, huh Only thing that comes to mind is the SNK Boss of the same name, which is just an Orochi clone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:56:28 2022 No.38799191 >>38799140 Someone in the Japanese thread suggested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onisaburo_Deguchi because of her name. I'm just going to call her Lady Beetlejuice. >>38796199 I like how her stripes are peeling off

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 09:59:28 2022 No.38799204 File: 284 KB, 1000x750, __mima_touhou_and_1_more_drawn_by_sakegawa__1db5b25fe5fe9e8e6613a57cdd34b89b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38798343 Vengeful spirit vs vengeful spirit is plausible thus this is my final cope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:07:35 2022 No.38799263 >>38797462 Knowing ZUN he'll say Yukari just pretended to lose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:21:57 2022 No.38799349 File: 368 KB, 800x800, 1583299172550.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38799263 I can believe it but he hasn't been treating Yukari well lately

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:24:00 2022 No.38799365 >>38797462 Next update on PMiSS on Yukari's section: She pretends to lose, its all part of her plan Editor: Yukari Yakumo

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:25:33 2022 No.38799378 File: 207 KB, 768x768, 20220228_071606.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not like this...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:26:45 2022 No.38799387 Why do I even listen to you people

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:28:30 2022 No.38799400

>>38797838
She never was a big of a deal. Compared to Remilia's Gensokyo debut where she forced the entire Gensokyo to give food to her or else she run amok, Yukari just lost to like any other 2hus but coped that she was half asleep when Reimu fought Kasen without food for two days and didnt whine. Yuyuko's fight is even more badass and she didnt tryhard to do it and is okay being a jobber for future works

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:30:32 2022 No.38799421 File: 28 KB, 350x250, 1625902138314.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So if this 2hu isn't Mima in disguise then ZUN is 100% trolling Mima fans, right? There's no way he doesn't know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:30:56 2022 No.38799425 >>38798102 Anon? That guy who got possessed when he abused his horse in FS? Seiga literally alsmot got assassinated in WaaH. Kappa shows how unreliable they are when they fled when the village was close to being flooded

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:32:24 2022 No.38799437 File: 239 KB, 850x876, 3844ecb5e4ce41e3a551c8c33314d348.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] God....anyone....don't let it end like this.....

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:35:34 2022 No.38799463 >>38799421 He's sending a very clear message

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:36:30 2022 No.38799469 File: 28 KB, 158x207, 1645567381959.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38799421 >Mima fans Well they are mostly western anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:38:31 2022 No.38799484 >>38799421 >name literally starts with "Mi (み)" >is a vengeful spirit >was watching Reimu since EoSD ZUN really said "FUCK MIMA" huh

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 10:58:33 2022 No.38799661

>>38797202
>This and LE have been fucking nothingburgers. Nothing happens.
That's Touhou in general bro. Literally the entire setting revolves around the fact that the status quo can't be shaken too much. You can add new characters and have them be, at best, a general nuisance, but nothing can ever become *too* serious, nothing will ever change *too* much. That's just how the theme of Touhou works

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 11:22:06 2022 No.38799892 >>38796659 How did her pants not fall down?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 11:32:47 2022 No.38800002 >>38799484 Mima is an "evil" spirit

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 11:37:54 2022 No.38800035 Imagine ACTUALLY thinking Mima would back haha.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 11:40:54 2022 No.38800049 >>38799892 How do you know they didnt offscreen afterward

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 11:54:13 2022 No.38800178 >>38798343 Anon! This is my final cope! TAKE IT FROM MEEEEEEEE!

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>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 12:23:08 2022 No.38800485 File: 1.04 MB, 1834x1299, 1623084135622.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38796540 I'm glad it's not fucking koishit. That would be even worse. "She's no sister of mine", like Satori would say.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 12:24:49 2022 No.38800501

>>38796199
>>38797064
Man, all the subtle hints, the paralales, the hype... This was cruel, Zun.
It even cuts interest in the newhu. All the trolling just guided a lot of us to think about her as "it is not MIma" instead of a character standing on her own merits.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 12:33:51 2022 No.38800569

>>38799140
And immediately paired with older established characters like they were a part of the cast for years. Literally deviantart fanfic tier at this point. And this is right after the disastrous trashpile that is TH18, it's not looking good. ZUN must step away before it's too late.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 12:33:57 2022 No.38800572 >>38796152 MIMA!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 12:35:10 2022 No.38800583 >>38800501 I mean, it was never ever going to be Mima in the first place, so we really need to trust in that ZUN has a plan for making us care about the new hu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 12:37:21 2022 No.38800604 >>38800569 What's wrong with UM?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 12:38:06 2022 No.38800610 >>38800604 What's good about it in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 12:59:03 2022 No.38800815 >>38800610 Music, characters, patterns, the rouguelite gimmick idea (even if it hit other aspects that ultimately ended up being less fun than they could have been like the overall power feel or the on hit penalty to name two things)

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 13:01:50 2022 No.38800840

>>38800815
I see, so you're on of them unprincipled shit eaters, happy to consume whatever new shiny thing comes out. Everything you've listed is dogshit, by the way. The worst aspect of it, is how they're being implemented in the lore, as if they were a part of it since forever. Fuck that, they're no Gensokyans of mine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 13:04:10 2022 No.38800872 >>38800840 Can you say why they're dogshit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 13:42:03 2022 No.38801376 >>38800583 Seeing how he really struggles with making newhus relevant, i have my doubts. Chances are she will end up as nobody whos only interesting gimmick is "it wasnt Mima!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 13:45:50 2022 No.38801433 File: 136 KB, 319x384, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/touhou_chireikiden_cheating_detective_satori_ch16 it's up

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 13:46:11 2022 No.38801436 >>38801376 I want to believe that the plan was there, that he can make something which lasts out of this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 13:51:43 2022 No.38801506 >>38801436 Or its gonna be same as with Miyoi where new character is completely irrelevant and mostly ignored by fanbase while her series is still ongoing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 13:54:29 2022 No.38801553 >>38796199 Hack, so the culprit of this ""mystery"' is a totally new character. Even Alice being the culprit would have been better

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 13:57:02 2022 No.38801584

>>38801506
it can't be the same as miyoi because mizuchi is pretty staunchly an antagonist whereas miyoi was being shown as ambiguous, and she can't become irrelevant because there's literally no plot without her while miyoi being removed doesn't really change things now because it's just about the youkai in the bar
I feel like this manga was initially planned to be longer and mizuchi would have escaped eientei unseen, but after ginmokusei dropped out ZUN shortened it

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:00:28 2022 No.38801637

>>38801584
My point is more that she won't make impact as character. Miyoi failed because she is "canon" version of much more popular Okami version of Mystia. Everyone who wants to make story (or game) about character having bar will pick up Mystia.

Mizuhi will mostly be known as "mimacockblock" and nothing more, since lets face it, any conclusion to any touhou manga was always half-baked and underwhelming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:15:13 2022 No.38801833 File: 1.21 MB, 1200x1723, youk.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Isn't Mokou a human? Sure, she has the Hourai elixir in her liver, but that doesn't make her a youkai, does it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:16:40 2022 No.38801848 >>38801833 Yeah that left me puzzled

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:17:14 2022 No.38801859 Bring back the PC-98 2hus, you fucking hack. Fuck you.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:17:50 2022 No.38801865
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>>38801433
Now that my saltiness has begun to subside...

The action sequence, while short, was cool.
Yukari wasn't the only hag that was bullied in this story.
Considering that the spirit was inside Kaguya since she appeared, how many of the actions taken were Kaguya's and how many were of Mizuchi's?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:18:38 2022 No.38801881 >>38801833 She introduces herself as a human in IN extra

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:24:10 2022 No.38801943 what the fuck Did… did the feeling in my bones lie to me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:25:52 2022 No.38801956 >>38801943 I would get that checked

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:27:58 2022 No.38801975 File: 774 KB, 600x800, 1643936929096.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38801943 I'm so sorry anon Your bones have been compromised

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:30:59 2022 No.38802008 >>38798343 god I wish, but I think it's probably just gonna end with something like "Satori lets herself get possessed, correctly predicting that NotMima is completely unprepared for the psychic backlash of being a satori"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:34:06 2022 No.38802044 Mizuchi Miyadeguchi. Instead of Mima we got a Mimi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:41:21 2022 No.38802142 >>38801833 Either a plothole or Mizuchi refers to all supernatural that goes out of humanity normal cycle (normal human than somekind of spirit) as youkai. Lunarians themselves were human once but can hardly be considered so now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:44:34 2022 No.38802182 Whenever ZUN adds a character that knows of Reimu personally despite them never meeting until a certain point it feels a bit hackish. Like he's trying to force a long established relationship even though that takes time in writing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:48:35 2022 No.38802229 Well that was a disappointing reveal, and I don't even care about the Mima stuff. I was hoping things would go for a more mystery novel kinda deal where the reader can figure things out and the answer is given at the end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:52:10 2022 No.38802269 >>38798343 Mizuchi has already possessed spirits before, like Yuyuko.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 14:52:33 2022 No.38802277 >>38798343 I don't know. Gives me the vibes Mizuchi is unironically pal of Mima, which may explain Mizuchi's hate boner for Reimu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:00:53 2022 No.38802390 >>38801584 >>38802229 It does certainly seem rushed now

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:04:29 2022 No.38802441

>>38802277
It's been a long time since I played PC-98 but didn't Reimu and Mima get a chummy tea party ending in classic touhou final boss fashion? Don't think Mima or her hypothetical friends would have this serious of a grudge anymore, Marisa sure didn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:11:22 2022 No.38802529 >>38802182 In this case, it could be a case of >For you, the day Reimu exterminated you was the most important day of your life; but for me, it was Tuesday.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:16:07 2022 No.38802596

>>38802441
>didn't Reimu and Mima get a chummy tea party ending in classic touhou final boss fashion?
Me forgot. But yeah, she did. She just leaves off in MS ending. She does return, but just for pranking Reimu. She definitely doesn't have a bad deal with Reimu.

I suggest it out of Mizuchi saying she wants Gensokyo to be like it was before. But now thinking, easily it could be way before Reimu born. Though, the fact she does hate Reimu and knows much about her still puzzling me. Somebody could give her info about Reimu given the fact she was locked up the whole time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:18:54 2022 No.38802637 File: 38 KB, 619x233, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 10 more years. Trust the plan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:23:21 2022 No.38802691 >>38802637 ZUN will have died of liver failure by then.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:30:05 2022 No.38802768
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ZUN can't get away with this. This was an intentional attack on my bones.

But at least we have confirmation that Kaguya and Mokou go on dates outside Eientei. Combining this with the fact that Mokou is allowed into Eientei any time she pleases pretty much confirms their an item.

Still, ZUN is a hack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:30:44 2022 No.38802776 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuK1Yr35Io

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:32:19 2022 No.38802798
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>>38802596
Satori said the spirit has a grudge against Gensokyo, youkai and the hakurei shrine, and wants revenge. That kinda sounds like it relates to an event very much in the past and it's not something singling out Reimu in particular, rather, she's being targeted simply because she's the current Hakurei shrine maiden.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:36:40 2022 No.38802850
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>EIRIN
>THE LITERAL DEIFICATION OF KNOWLEDGE AND INTELLIGENCE
>OUTSMARTED ONCE AGAIN
>BY A LITERAL WHO
HOW DOES IT KEEP HAPPENING

Also,
>Yeah I know Kaguya keeps sneaking out. In fact, I would show her around.
??? aren't they blood enemies?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:38:21 2022 No.38802871 >>38802850 they've gone fishing together before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:38:34 2022 No.38802873 >>38802850 Their fighting is just their kink. The rest of the time they're a normal couple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:40:44 2022 No.38802892 >>38802850 >>38802850 considering The Tale of the Bamboo cutter came out in the 900s , there's been plenty of time for the feud between the two to simmer down.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:45:53 2022 No.38802955 >>38802892 and there was that time Mokou got sad because she thought Kaguya would leave her. She felt relieved when she found out it was just a misconception and Kaguya was indeed staying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 15:49:52 2022 No.38802994 >>38802798 Yeah, but was puzzled about the way she knew about everything. But to add, likely everyone (including Hell) just get news about Gensokyo's incidents and it's likely not a big deal. So realy there's not excuse for Mima to appears, damn it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 16:07:57 2022 No.38803216 I guess this means Kaguya let Mokou in and Eirin isn't actually ultra oblivious. We got off easy this time eirinbros

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 16:08:42 2022 No.38803228 File: 189 KB, 500x354, 1581906974912.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It hurts

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 16:12:33 2022 No.38803284 >>38803228 You've had over a decade to see a bone doctor about the pain.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 16:32:20 2022 No.38803538

>>38803216
Mokou is allowed in Eientei whenever, which Eirin never thought would be the case
Kaguya sneaks off to meet with Mokou outside, which she also doesn't seem to know about
She only just figured out both and why Kaguya had to be the culprit, among other unpleasant (for her) things
Eirin is a baka hag

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 16:34:08 2022 No.38803559 >>38802390 if it IS the case, we might be seeing a finale where Mokou is the primary villain because she's possessed. Or the spirit's just going to fuck off out of Eientei now and leave Mokou in a ditch somewhere.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 16:43:56 2022 No.38803663
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If this was going to be a newhu, it should've been revealed from the start, and done as a Columbo-style mystery. Where we know the perp and how they did it, and we watch Satori try to piece together all the clues and figure it out herself. Now that we know who did it, and Satori seems no closer to solving anything, I'm just not sure why we're still reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 16:44:34 2022 No.38803671 >>38803559 The finale is going to be Reimu and Satori drinking together with Mizuchi like nothing ever happened, somehow.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 16:52:09 2022 No.38803738

>>38803663
Funniest thing about this is that, given the hiatus, ZUN and co. had multiple months to piece together an actual mystery, course correct on their current one, or just drop it and actually get to the point and move onto a new arc.

Or say fuck it and reboot it from the beginning!

It is genuinely amazing that every step of this manga has been fucked from the get-go!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:05:38 2022 No.38803887 >>38803738 I think ZUN sucks at writing anything but SOL

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:34:24 2022 No.38804166 >>38803887 His SoL isn't exactly amazing either

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:36:52 2022 No.38804183 >>38804166 WaHH was an enjoyable manga. I didn't like FS quite as much but it was still good. SSIB and fairy mangas kept me coming back. CDS and LE are just stinkers with good art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:39:46 2022 No.38804202 File: 2.88 MB, 1892x1548, Mizuchi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like her design but I'm incredibly disappointed with this development. The ongoing mangas aren't very interesting desu, especially compared to older print works

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:40:46 2022 No.38804209 >>38804202 predict her average bust size in fanart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:42:09 2022 No.38804224 >>38804209 Ten times larger than canon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:43:14 2022 No.38804229 File: 214 KB, 850x1256, 476545eaf1b5d2876d5d1f83d567a9d1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Maybe Mima won't come back but someone else will instead. Someone else who will put this newhu back where she belongs!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:44:38 2022 No.38804239 >>38804229 I see no place for the maniacal princess

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:45:33 2022 No.38804252 File: 11 KB, 368x446, yeah.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38804209

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:47:45 2022 No.38804281 >>38804202 Her design is cool. I like how the black stripes along her arms aren't actually part of the clothing, but are just wrapped around it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:49:14 2022 No.38804300 >>38804209 Honestly, I just want to see bondage art of her being choked, spanked and abused.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:57:22 2022 No.38804409 >>38803538 Eirin is getting old and senile...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:58:32 2022 No.38804420 >>38804209 I'd like to say perflat, but we all know the truth

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 17:58:47 2022 No.38804423 >>38803538 >>38804409 And I thought Reimu had alzheimer's.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:02:56 2022 No.38804450 You know. This new youkai. Her title is The Jailbreak King right? Have you guys considered just the simple possibility that shes trying to break Mima free? I mean c’mon why the fuck else would this literally who newhu be after specifically Reimu.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:04:35 2022 No.38804464

>>38804450
Satori already said that her motivations were to take revenge on Gensokyo and Youkai, not just the Hakurei shrine. Plus why would she need to do all this nonsense to free Mima when she could just possess Reimu or someone close to her like she already did with Marisa?

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:06:56 2022 No.38804482

>>38804423
You have to keep your characters blind so that you have an excuse to make another character show up for plot exposition, easy way to fill up a manga chapter/game ending. Which is weird because it wasn't really like this back then, instead of the characters explaining everything it was the narrator in the ending text, while it left more room for the characters to do or say their own weird things, like Remilia hugging Reimu just cause.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:11:12 2022 No.38804533
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>>38804450
I'll subscribe to the theory of her being Mima's subordinate trying to get her out of hell. The reason she knows everything is because Mima told her a few too many times.
>>38804464
Mima wants to teach all the Windows nerds a lesson for slowly killing off the true Gensokyo of PC-98 which she was supposed to rule over.

My bones don't lie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:13:42 2022 No.38804554 >>38804420 I'm seeing a little budding there, there's no way in hell artists are gonna let that fly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:27:29 2022 No.38804673 >>38804450 I mean surely there has to be another plot twist in this mystery manga right? Assuming it's not trying to wrap up right now there has to be another surprise waiting in store

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:30:11 2022 No.38804693 >>38804202 Man I miss the days of WAHH and FS so much, even if FS ending sucked

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:31:04 2022 No.38804699
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Ok, then the black feathers were neither of Aya nor Okuu.
I did where the manga will go now? The vegatic spirit will go to take the characters of POFV? Will they just Eiki and Komachi that they will appear? How dangerous can someone immortal and powerful as Mokou being controlled?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:33:19 2022 No.38804726 >>38804699 imagine if we waste time going through all the games up until the latest one.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:35:38 2022 No.38804748
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At least look at the friendly side. Tewi appeared. Those who see the manga only because awaited by Mima can leave it. But for the others we hope that Satori will finally make a useful shit, we are at expectation.
Epic Satori Fans> Cuck Mima Fans

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:36:12 2022 No.38804756 >>38804726 I think that's why ZUN is bailing. It probably sounded like a good idea at the start.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:44:52 2022 No.38804820

>>38802850
>HOW DOES IT KEEP HAPPENING
Okina used her backdoor manipulation bullshit to siphon Gensokyo's collective smarts to her, which is why she's turned Yukari into a full-blown jobber and is the mastermind behind one out of five incidents nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:45:50 2022 No.38804825 I don't think I'll ever feel it in my bones again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:46:18 2022 No.38804828 >>38804820 Wouldn't surprise me if ZUN jams her in here too somehow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:48:55 2022 No.38804851 >>38804820 >Okina is fooling around again Sorry, Yukari. You're not the first character ZUN has gotten bored of though. You had a good run.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:53:10 2022 No.38804881
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>>38804699
it's really weird that the feathers went unacknowledged since mizuchi confirmed that she attacked her
literally the only logical explanation I can think of is that it was aya, possessed by mizuchi, and when mokou fights her she's given up that form

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:56:04 2022 No.38804903 >>38804748 Why does Tewi need a lantern to see at night. Her diet is literally just carrots, she should be able to see a needle in pitch black darkness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:56:25 2022 No.38804907 The villain reveal was shit but at least we got to know that Mokou shows Kaguya around the human village

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:58:01 2022 No.38804917 >>38804907 what's so special about that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:58:38 2022 No.38804924 >>38804917 It's a cute detail for yurifags.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 18:59:28 2022 No.38804931 >>38804917 It shows that they're not purely enemies like they always say and it was a nice detail.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:00:40 2022 No.38804940 File: 261 KB, 2200x1800, 10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38804924 yes!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:02:28 2022 No.38804951 >>38804917 It's evidence that their dynamic is not as simple as what Mokou says about it in CiLR

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:03:04 2022 No.38804958 >>38804726 not all the games but until the th12 Sa. because fool detective SATORI.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:04:04 2022 No.38804966
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>ZUN canonically confirms that Kaguya and Mokou aren't arch enemies anymore and even get along
Yuri sisters, we won. It's just a matter of time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:04:09 2022 No.38804968 >>38804958 Touhou 12 was UFO anon. Ironically I think they’d only do UFO if they wanted to go to Makai and REALLY Mima related bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:04:42 2022 No.38804970 >>38804951 I mean CiLR itself had already shown that during the part where Mokou becomes flustered over the thought of Kaguya leaving her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:05:20 2022 No.38804979 File: 588 KB, 949x809, 1615656465335.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38804907 >>38804924 Who knows what they get up to on their dates outside And who knows what they get up to in Eientei while Eirin isn't looking

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:05:56 2022 No.38804981 >>38804966 they've gone fishing together before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:09:08 2022 No.38805006 >>38804970 That was the first taste we got of it, and there's also the Inabas comics where Eirin says Kaguya kind of enjoys the company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:14:55 2022 No.38805044 File: 78 KB, 818x555, 1628174785552.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38805006 Little did Eirin know just how much she was enjoying it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:15:12 2022 No.38805049 File: 258 KB, 575x680, 1628043933802.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] where the fuck is Orin and why the fuck she let Satori be attacked?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:16:46 2022 No.38805060 >>38804968 oops! that right! th 11 SA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:16:50 2022 No.38805061 >>38805044 Big forehead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:17:03 2022 No.38805066 >>38805049 what the fuck is satori even doing completely alone on the surface

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:17:29 2022 No.38805067 >>38805044 E y e b a g s

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:17:41 2022 No.38805068 >>38805066 When the fuck will Koishi show up and become our Deus Ex Machina for the story?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:17:44 2022 No.38805070 >>38805044 The forehead of the moon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:19:34 2022 No.38805082 >no Mima >now yuricucks won't shut the fuck up about Mokou and Kaguya I fucking hate you ZUN I hope you choke on your own vomit next time you pass out drunk Fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:19:49 2022 No.38805087 >>38805068 ZUN will, ironically and true to her character, forget she even existed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:20:47 2022 No.38805099 >>38805082 You barged in here just to whine?

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:20:48 2022 No.38805100

What really makes me wonder is....what was the point of all of that? Really just to introduce new girl that is unconnected to anything we saw before?

This manga had obvious flaws but they are forgiveable if we assumed that it was just distraction and manga itself is excuse to reintroduce mima.

It doesnt really work well as trip down memory lane with only Eientei cast having any real development. It doesnt work as mystery since it breaks pretty much integral rule of genre. And quite frankly it doesnt work as slice of life either.

It made multiple characters (Reimu, Yukari, now Eirin) look like morons. And all of that for character that will likely end up in 90+ popularity spot?

And i don't like her design either. Its far too close to Yuumas, with oversized accesory, sharp teeth and "mischevious loli" vibe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:20:50 2022 No.38805102 >>38805061 >>38805067 >>38805070 Her forehead is big enough for her to give you a double foreheadjob and an eyebagjob at the same time

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:21:13 2022 No.38805107 >>38804966 What is going on in this image's filename ? Op what kind of drugs did you take

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:21:48 2022 No.38805114 >>38805068 Too busy getting slammed by Kokoro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:22:10 2022 No.38805119 File: 636 KB, 711x1000, 1630021864444.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38804966 I refuse to accept it. Mokou and Keine are more cute and fluffy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:22:18 2022 No.38805120 >>38805082 Those two things will be this manga's legacy, ultimately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:23:33 2022 No.38805131 >>38805100 >It doesnt really work well as trip down memory lane with only Eientei cast having any real development Flandre fanon got blown up.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:25:55 2022 No.38805151
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I think ZUN hates Eirin.
>Based on Omoikane yet gets outsmarted by Yukari and Yuyuko's plan and shows a visibly scared face when she realizes the sake Yukari served her was from the Moon
>Is portrayed as antagonistic as possible whenever she appears in print works (not as bad as Okina but still close)
>Canonically weaker than the pupils she trained
>Outsmarted again by a vengeful spirit
I genuinely like her but being an Eirinfag is suffering. ZUN keeps cucking my beloved.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:27:08 2022 No.38805164 >>38805119 Keine will die eventually and Mokou will still be alive, simple as.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:27:27 2022 No.38805167

>>38805131
Alice got killed.
>>38805100
I have a very hard time believing things were intended to turn out this way when ZUN started the manga. Satori barely features in a comic with her own name on the cover in which she is clearly intended to read minds to advance the plot. I think he got cold feet about whatever he had planned and the fix he came up with is even worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:29:02 2022 No.38805182 >>38805164 All Keine needs is a little bite of Mokou liver.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:29:08 2022 No.38805184 >>38805100 I'm still hoping for this to be a fake out and the real culprit was Mima all along.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:29:39 2022 No.38805189 >>38804979 They have to hold hands so that Kaguya doesn't get lost.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:31:41 2022 No.38805202
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>>38805119
They're good as friends but it doesn't come close to the pent up tension and passion between Mokou and Kaguya. They lived centuries filled with strong emotions for each other (for better or for worse) and they aren't hostile anymore, in fact, they are quite friendly. This is the core setup of a good romance (I know it won't happen canonically but good enough for ZUN's style).

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:35:33 2022 No.38805241 >>38804202 This new character is ultra cringe, fuck you ZUN, you're ruining your own fantastic series with unoriginal and edgy girls

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:36:57 2022 No.38805252 >>38805241 Dunno if you're serious but I honestly agree, her and Yuuma feel so off to me, don't like them one bit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:37:27 2022 No.38805256 >>38805202 I could say similar about Mokou and Keine. After centuries of being around Kaguya, Mokou is bored of her. The mortal Keine reignites her passion and they succeed in justifying living in the moment to appreciate the fleeting happiness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:38:23 2022 No.38805266 >>38805151 Imagine being eirin and dedicating your entire life to your beloved princess then she cucks you for some girl who showed up as a mistake for only a century or so, in comparison to the 2938393838283 years you spend with her. Lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:39:06 2022 No.38805273 >>38805266 Eirin is not a pedo like Mokou's father was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:40:29 2022 No.38805289 >>38805167 I think you have too much faith in ZUN when it comes to his manga story telling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:42:36 2022 No.38805305 >>38805252 I like Yuuma. The mafia characters are a group that inspires stories and she fits in with them. Everything ZUN has made since lolk has been forgettable except the 17/17.5 crew and Okina.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:43:22 2022 No.38805314 >>38805305 >Everything ZUN has made since lolk has been forgettable This. Period

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:43:25 2022 No.38805317

>>38805167
>I have a very hard time believing things were intended to turn out this way when ZUN started the manga. Satori barely features in a comic with her own name on the cover in which she is clearly intended to read minds to advance the plot. I think he got cold feet about whatever he had planned and the fix he came up with is even worse.

Thats just odd. Satori doesnt do almost anything past few initial chapters. At first i assumed its because we were still in early phase and she will pick up a pace, but with villain appearing its safe to say we may be nearing the end of that manga.

>>38805189
>I'm still hoping for this to be a fake out and the real culprit was Mima all along.

Mizuchi being sidekick/follower could work but honestly feels very un-ZUN to me. He seems to be mostly painfully straightforward when it comes to plot developments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:45:08 2022 No.38805335 >>38805317 Anon replied to the wrong post, how embarrassing!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:46:51 2022 No.38805357 File: 2.68 MB, 1238x10000, Hourai Fixed-Point Observation Record.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38805202 >>38805256 The feud between Kaguya and Keine over Mokou will never end

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:47:05 2022 No.38805362

>>38805289
Hey, in silent sinner in blue, they managed to get to the moon. In wild and horned hermit, Kasen managed to be the main character. In forbidden scrollery, Kosuzu managed to be relevant. The fairy mangas promised fairy shenanigans and ZUN happily delivered. Even lotus eaters has partly made good on its name by being inconsequential, though it could stand to have some of the charm of wahh. Cheating detective satori is a big swing and miss by ZUN's standards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:47:31 2022 No.38805367 >>38803887 >I think ZUN sucks at writing anything but SOL ZUN sucks at drawing, writing and coding. His real strength is composing music, everything else is side hobbies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:48:48 2022 No.38805379 >>38805367 The last several games have me questioning his music composition. Touhou leans heavily on his character design and world building.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:48:50 2022 No.38805380
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>>38805367
>ZUN sucks at drawing, writing and coding. His real strength is composing music, everything else is side hobbies.
Maybe that's the reason why the series' lore is kinda gay and sucks ass, there's many inconsistencies in it and touhou characters in general doesn't have very fleshed out personalities so there's that

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:50:28 2022 No.38805398 >>38805380 >touhou characters in general doesn't have very fleshed out personalities so there's that I think that's an ingredient in the touhou secret sauce. He's good at giving just enough information to inspire artists to run with his characters.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:51:50 2022 No.38805409

>>38805379
>character design and world building.
The designs of the girls' clothes have been unique till Touhou 15, the rest went downhill, downgrading into more anime-like, plain dresses which I dislike
As for worldbuilding, the drunktard doesn't even know how to properly define the locations of where his characters live (like we know reimu lives in the hakurei shrine, but WHERE is the hakurei shrine exactly?) You get what I mean anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:53:04 2022 No.38805420 >>38805409 It doesn't really matter where it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:53:06 2022 No.38805421 >>38805305 >Okina The only reason you can't forget about her existence is because ZUN can't stop bringing her up everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:54:06 2022 No.38805436 >>38805409 Do you want ZUN to make a map showing where all the locations in Gensokyo are?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:55:45 2022 No.38805450 >>38805409 >More anime-esque plain dresses Care to elaborate on this? I'm genuinely curious about what you mean

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 19:58:35 2022 No.38805480 >>38796152 >>38796199 I know this is a trite argument but damn this manga was the perfect chance to bring her back. Well my bones are now dust, I don't feel them anymore and never I will again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:02:54 2022 No.38805527 >>38796199 I want to see the ZUNart of this girl, this artstyle is a little too edgy for Touhou. I need to see her with the iconic 2hu before judging her design.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:06:20 2022 No.38805552 >>38805527 What i hate about her design is how unsubtle it is. She is wearing stripes - GET IT? SHE IS PRISONER! She has oversized handcuffs - GET IT? SHE IS PRISONER! Really meh. And that skull hair accessory is...just odd and unfitting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:08:58 2022 No.38805575 >>38805552 Well worry not. You'll never see her again after this. From ZUN or from fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:09:58 2022 No.38805585 >>38805552 >>38805575 but what about the paper human thingies? what's the symbolism on that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:10:48 2022 No.38805595 >>38805527 I wouldn't be surprised if this was a guest design specifically because by the end of her arc, she'll be status quo'd into another standard shenanigans-causing face (freedom, in other words), and in turn, get a new look to reflect this.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:11:25 2022 No.38805605

>>38805409
It's easy to tell who's new to Touhou with posts like this. Everything is vague in Touhou: maps, characters, everything. If you read official material, even official "infobooks" like BAiJR and PMiSS are filled to the brim with half-truths, propaganda, and some outright lies.
Get used to it, it's been like this for 20 years.

Also ZUN definitely isn't great at writing a traditional plot, but lore is what keeps Touhou going.
It's strange too considering that he's such a big fan of Agatha Christie and mystery in general, and the DiPP short story wasn't actually that bad. Considering the manga's still pretty early on I don't doubt there's something else going to happen, but I wonder what it is.
Both new mangos are definitely less interesting than FS, but both WaHH and the fairy mangas took a decent time before it became good too. I'll hold out some hope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:11:28 2022 No.38805607 >>38805585 Puppet motifs.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:16:19 2022 No.38805656

>>38805552
That's a pretty bad observation on a Touhou character lmao
Not only is the series filled to the brim with gigantic accessories and "unsubtle" clothing, its not even that bad to begin with. Being able to know what a character is just by design is key to a lot of good character designs.

It's not even that bad. The "stripe" on her shirt isn't actually but is some kind of energy stripe, similar to characters like Joon or Shion. Not to mention a prisoner outfit with a skirt is pretty unheard of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:19:44 2022 No.38805688 File: 74 KB, 637x516, 1633226586211.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38805656 Yeah, we've been having this conversation for a while now.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:31:07 2022 No.38805795

How many fucking times do I need to say it? Clownpiece has good character design, you're just all too retarded to understand it.
>b-buh american flag clothes?! really?!
If you'd paid attention at all you would know that Hecatia, Clownpiece's master, despises authoritarianism in all forms and greatly values individualism (as she has stated in her AFiEU interview), and guess which country (conceptually at least) is most well-known for being pro-individualistic and anti-authoritarian? The US of course. Her outfit is also a jab at the Lunarians as it would be immediately recognizable to any of them since the US planted their flag on the moon.
>b-buh insanity torch?! thats stupid!
You know too little of mythology. Not only does Clownpiece's torch tie back into the American symbolism (with the Statue of Liberty), but her torch directly establishes her as a lampad, one of the nymphs serving Hecate (aka HECATIA). Not only that but lampad torches in mythology also had the ability to induce madness.
>b-buh a clown?! thats just retarded!
Nope. Clowns are associated with insanity in Japanese culture, which not only ties back to her torch and status as a lampad, but also the recurring theme of "moon = insanity" in Touhou (did you even PLAY through Imperishable Night?).

TL;DR nothing is wrong with new ZUN designs you're just RETARDED and UNEDUCATED, unable to see the great MEANING zun has imbued in his works

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:33:58 2022 No.38805824 File: 1.88 MB, 1627x1200, 52587358_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38805795 Whatever floats your boat chief, all I know is she's a damned brat in dire need of punishment with that lewd body and ridiculously erotic attire of hers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:37:14 2022 No.38805855 File: 1.21 MB, 2400x1500, mima beatdown.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I still have hope...

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:39:03 2022 No.38805871

I don't want to shit on her design too much because we only see her a handful of times so far, but I will say it is a bit emptier looking compared to the usual.
ZUN should post the original design sketches for girls that never get featured in danmaku games...

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:40:22 2022 No.38805878
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Unless there's some massive twist and ZUN really had us in for a long ruse, I think this might be up there with AFiEU as the weakest Touhou print work. AF aged poorly and existed solely for a political message of another country that makes barely any sense in the context of Gensokyo. CDS however has just been... Nothing. The only scene from this that felt memorable and actually did anything interesting with the characters was when Patchouli "read" Satori's mind and chastised her for it. Other stuff aside from cute tiny things (Like baggy-eyed Eirin or sadomasochistic Reisen) has been completely forgettable and done nothing of note with the characters, setting, or anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:44:36 2022 No.38805920 >>38805878 yup, trash doujin ZUN is losing his skills at everything, including character designs, plot-making intuition, making good themes, etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:45:13 2022 No.38805922 File: 1.07 MB, 3508x2480, 1637316022219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38805855 It's clear the newhu is just a sub boss for Mima Don't lose faith, anons

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:45:58 2022 No.38805931 >>38805920 I bet OKINA'S behind this disaster befalling ZUN, too!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:48:45 2022 No.38805954 >>38802269 But Yuyuko isn't vengeful. As for a possibility of Tojiko fighting her, she's been starting to be less vengeful anyway.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:49:01 2022 No.38805957
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>>38805920
17 and 18 have great character designs, 18 goes back to a traditional touhou plotline, I think the two concurrent mangas have been the only noticeable dip in quality, mainly with CDS because people expected more out of it.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:50:25 2022 No.38805968

>>38805878
>AF aged poorly and existed solely for a political message of another country
Did you read it? Or did you just see a picture of the Miko entry and your /pol/ brain shut off?
>aside from cute tiny things (Like baggy-eyed Eirin or sadomasochistic Reisen)
That's the kind of stuff that fuels the fandom for years so it's important.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:51:49 2022 No.38805974

>>38805878
Glad I'm not the only one who didn't like the strange political nature of AFiEU. It was a bit out of place since usually he tries to tie anything current world happenings into the lore itself at large so it fits in, but here it was obvious what his feelings were.
CDS and LE are both pretty lame compared to the other manga. WaHH and FS were slow yeah though at the time the usual shit we roast him for now (overusing certain characters and plot points) were new. Should have just stuck to one concept and put all his energy there so the writing can be the best that it can be.
Even Nu-CoLa manages to be more engaging and it's just Sumi and Rinnosuke soapboxing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:55:27 2022 No.38806011 I really wonder if Satori will be relevant at all. Or will she just give Reimu riceball that she needs to fantasy seal that spirit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 20:56:45 2022 No.38806027 >>38806011 Reimu can't seal the spirit, then she wouldn't be able to have tea.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:00:47 2022 No.38806058

>>38805968
>Did you read it? Or did you just see a picture of the Miko entry and your /pol/ brain shut off?
The whole climax of the book is the Hecatia interview, where she simultaneously chastizes Aya for her fake news and talks about how immigration is great because it makes things "more exciting", and then complains about the filthy moon people and their scheming. And then hints that if Gensokyo ever closed its border, hell itself would consider invading it. Aside from that being a flimsy argument, the biggest issue is we know Gensokyo NEEDS its border, and tight border restrictions. If Gensokyo opened up, the whole thing would fall apart. This idea is even touched upon in WaHH with the dandelions, though its been omnipresent in the series for years. This is further expounded by the fact that this is based on something politically relevant during 2015 in America. The book came out in 2017 where it was already old news since the world of politics moves like a bullet, and its only going to get worse.

For a series that's one of the most Japanese things in the world, dedicating a whole book to comment on American politics just seems like a huge misstep, especially with what ZUN decided to comment about considering the setting. Also yes, the blatant "Make Gensokyo Great Again" joke with Miko was terrible and Miko didn't deserve that. It's something I'd expect from a western twitter artist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:05:49 2022 No.38806094 >>38806011 Bomb spamming scrub should just be bullied by every 2hu in the series

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:11:56 2022 No.38806159 File: 743 KB, 1006x883, Say what.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38806094 That already is the case

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:51:56 2022 No.38806488 >>38803538 No no no they are unpleasant things

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:54:49 2022 No.38806520

>>38806058
>The whole climax of the book is the Hecatia interview, where she simultaneously chastizes Aya for her fake news and talks about how immigration is great because it makes things "more exciting", and then complains about the filthy moon people and their scheming. And then hints that if Gensokyo ever closed its border, hell itself would consider invading it. Aside from that being a flimsy argument, the biggest issue is we know Gensokyo NEEDS its border, and tight border restrictions. If Gensokyo opened up, the whole thing would fall apart.
I disagree with this interpretation. While Gensokyo does in fact need its border, it only strictly needs tight border restrictions against the Outside World as an absolute prerequisite to continued existence, not the various Otherworlds. Gensokyo outright thrives on immigration and was created as a sanctuary for the illusory creatures forgotten by the Outside World anyways, a fair portion of the characters in the series are migrants. Aya's argument of "we shouldn't accept migrants because they'll snatch away our wealth and resources" is hypocritical, as Gensokyo very much relies on other realms to maintain it's comfy quality of life (this was touched upon in CoLA, good quality paper is only prevalent in Gensokyo due to it coming from the Outside World, as well are various other goods that cannot be produced domestically such as coffee and black tea). Aya arbitrarily deciding that Gensokyo needs to be closed off so that other worlds don't "snatch away" their "wealth, resources, and society" makes little sense when so much of that wealth, resources, and society is fundamentally based from other societies/worlds.

Hecatia isn't wrong to insist that a lack of new ideas from new people could lead to Gensokyo's stagnation. The rise of buddhism and taoism and the general religious revolution in Gensokyo is thanks to Byakuren and Miko moving in, many of the projects to better the human village is thanks to Kanako moving in, the kappa wouldn't have a nuclear fusion reactor if not for Kanako and thus their "Youkai Mountain Industrial Revolution" would be happening at a much slower pace, the high quality medical care available to all for cheap prices is thanks to Eirin moving in, etc.

As said in CoLA Chapter 4, while Gensokyo is isolated as an area, it's very international in spirit.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 21:58:49 2022 No.38806558

>>38806520
Aya's stance is probably coming from the fact that she wants the Tengu to have less competition in the constant Youkai-Centric Power Struggles around Gensokyo, and in turn, also try and paint a good image for them through her literal propaganda.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:11:07 2022 No.38806672

>>38806520
I feel like something important you're overlooking is that a lot of those groups outside of Gensokyo caused incidents that threatened all of Gensokyo. Yuyuko stole spring to wake up an evil tree. The Lunarians tried to invade and genocide Gensokyo. Remilia's rampage changed how Gensokyo worked and operated. And Kanako making a nuclear reactor was great until you remember said nuclear reactor tried to nuke everyone (also why is Kanako allowed to do science shit anyways? Science should be deadly to bring to Gensokyo). You can say it all worked out in the end thanks to Reimu beating everyone up until they stopped, but that's a dangerous game they seem to play. If you're some low ranking tengu or kappa, it's easy to see how you'd be terrified at the constant barrage of high power beings fucking around, and the new arrivals become less about making things interesting and more "I sure hope this one doesn't succeed in killing us all!"

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:34:26 2022 No.38806863

>>38805688
Thats more on his design style and draw style than his prowess as a character designer.
His twohoos are recognizable by silhouette and they are memorable, the greater ones ar least, and if not at least stylish and visually fun. So id say his designs are prutty good.
(based clownpiece is based)

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:39:20 2022 No.38806903

>>38806672
>Yuyuko stole spring to wake up an evil tree.
The whole Yuyuko thing likely would have ended well, even without Reimu's help. Yukari was aware of the whole situation (hell, she helped cause it) and I doubt she would legitimately do nothing as her best friend unknowingly unseals the very thing she died to seal.
>The Lunarians tried to invade and genocide Gensokyo.
Besides a few lunar rabbits who defected from the Lunarian regime during the invasion, none of those Lunarians currently live in Gensokyo. It's not like Eirin and co. wanted to genocide the very place they live.
>Remilia's rampage changed how Gensokyo worked and operated.
The implementation of the spell card rules was ultimately a good decision that benefited everybody, and Remilia was eventually fought to a standstill even without Reimu's intervention, but I suppose something similar occurring again would be bad. Though I kind of doubt that it would happen, almost every time a new incident is put down Gensokyo, in a way, gains another powerful defender. If another Remilia shows up and starts causing mess the various political powerhouse perpetrators of past incidents would likely gang up to stop them (that is, if Reimu doesn't deal with them first). Even the placement and mere presence of those powerhouses can serve to dissuade such things from happening again.
>And Kanako making a nuclear reactor was great until you remember said nuclear reactor tried to nuke everyone
Yeah, I've got no excuse for this one. Kanako really shat the bed there, and gave no indication if she had an off-switch for Okuu or not. If Reimu & co. weren't there to stop it the Gensokyo overworld could have become an irradiated hellscape before anyone else could do anything.
>also why is Kanako allowed to do science shit anyways? Science should be deadly to bring to Gensokyo
The Lunarians have managed to pursue science without explaining themselves out of existence, so it should be fine as long as you know about the whole "belief is power" dynamic stuff and act accordingly.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:50:13 2022 No.38806971

>>38806520
It seems counter intuitive to dislike stagnation in Gensokyo coming from a franchise that lives and draws almost its whole body from tradition, tales and myth, or a franchise whose whole world requires a carefully maintained balance but sure. Ok. Alright.
It also seems weird to have Aya, a scummy reporter, dislike new sources for scoops and being anti-inmigration. Almost as if this were not the right character for that...
Ill go on about this later but in another post but basically it was retarded to make this point and story in the Touhou universe, at least how it was done.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:53:42 2022 No.38806994 when you think about it youkai are just like mexicans

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 22:55:11 2022 No.38807006

>>38806971
>It also seems weird to have Aya, a scummy reporter, dislike new sources for scoops and being anti-inmigration. Almost as if this were not the right character for that...
I think an easy way to solve this would be if there were two newspapers focused on peddling news focused on complete opposite sides of the spectrum. One newspaper argues the border of Gensokyo is obsolete, the other argues that it needs to be closed off for everyone no matter who, etc. Both papers focus on being polarizing and having wildly different interpretations of events, and in the end it's revealed Aya writes both of them because she wants to maximize her reach. One thrashing later and Aya learns her lesson and sticks to writing one yellow rag instead of multiple ones focused at making people angry.

Keeps the theme of fake news and seems to fit Aya much more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:05:59 2022 No.38807088 >>38798102 Thought Merlin was Remilia until I saw Lyrica and Lunasa. This pic's character selection is interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:15:38 2022 No.38807148 File: 1.18 MB, 1200x1723, index.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This page not being followed by MIMA is a travesty Well, if it wasn't Mima here, I'm convinced Mima will never appear again

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:17:42 2022 No.38807163 >>38801833 this basically >>38802142 which is not a first (everything supernatural = youkai) That or Mizuchi literally is unaware that Mokou is a human. It wouldn't matter, since she can mimick both humans and youkai

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>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:21:35 2022 No.38807187 >>38807006 And that would have actually been insightful, politically poignant and good, but we don't get good things do we? sigh thanks anon, i like your idea

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:25:39 2022 No.38807223
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I have to assume the manga's entire plot was changed when ginmokusei dropped out, it's the only way to make sense of anything
before that, it was slow, but there was a progression of some sort and it felt like a long chase
once akimaki yuu comes on, suddenly the villain just reveals themselves, satori becomes irrelevant and everyone seems to not know what they're doing
reimu at the end of ginmokusei's run and reimu at the start of akimaki yuu's run are entirely different characters

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:26:10 2022 No.38807227 >>38802798 If she isn't Mima or a Mima transformation, the obvious issue she has has to be the spell card rules and general sense of peacetime present since the Barrier was erected. Youkai have lost their bite, and the Hakurei Shrine is responsible.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:26:44 2022 No.38807233

>>38807148
Remember that Mima was inspired by Shinki to become a god. She went to Old Hell and made a her own world similar to Makai. The newhu is one of her daughters that escaped, like Alice. She has been using Marisa the most because Marisa is like her older sister and youkai apprentice in a sense, and heard all about her from Momma Mima.

Believe in your bones, anon. They're telling you the truth.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:30:16 2022 No.38807262

>>38807223
>once akimaki yuu comes on, suddenly the villain just reveals themselves, satori becomes irrelevant and everyone seems to not know what they're doing
no, man, simpler explanation:

This is the IN part, this is where it would of COURSE end. Even if you think that's dumb, after this the next actual for real Incident occurs in Touhou 14. Like with someone doing something deliberately to alter Gensokyo. You could argue 11 was an Incident, but it actually was not, it was merely Orin's warning sign.

Basically IN is a stopping point. After this is PoFV which is very not an incident, and MoF which is even less of an Incident.

So IN is the climax, because for a while after this there aren't really "villains" to latch on to

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:31:42 2022 No.38807275

>>38807223
>reimu at the end of ginmokusei's run and reimu at the start of akimaki yuu's run are entirely different characters
About this, the writing mentions this and for what it's worth, Reimu WAS afraid before she set off. In the continuation, she balks only upon realizing she really is the target, as the reason she balked in the first place was out of fear of being targeted.

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:35:55 2022 No.38807315

>>38806971
>It seems counter intuitive to dislike stagnation in Gensokyo coming from a franchise that lives and draws almost its whole body from tradition, tales and myth, or a franchise whose whole world requires a carefully maintained balance but sure. Ok. Alright.
??????

The very premise starting in the Windows era is "we have changed the entire culture of Gensokyo. Our whole way of life is now different with the spell card rules"
Almost every following game then changes the world slightly more and more. Popular vampires, the barrier of life and death is weakened, Lunarians appear and integrate into society--offering medicine and so on. Nothing really in PoFV but MoF brings Kanako who is all about change and progress. Evolution and change are constant themes and are also stated to be of importance in several works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:37:30 2022 No.38807331 >>38807315 also on this note Kaguya and Eirin are explicitly anti-change pro-stagnation and IN/CiLR is about them being broken out of that, while a lot of commentary is made on how bad remaining stationary/stuck is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:38:13 2022 No.38807335 >>38807315 >Kanako Almost forgot about this jobber. When's her turn to get trolled?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:39:03 2022 No.38807341 >>38805357 Sauce?

Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:39:42 2022 No.38807346

>>38807006
>>38806971
Aya literally only made that book because she was influenced by yellow press from the outside world. Hecatia speculate she could also have been influenced by Lunarians, though I think that's Hecatia's bias (she is shown to be biased in LoLK). Aya is easily influenced, and her making AFiEU is pretty in line with her character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:40:38 2022 No.38807350 ZUN is a sellout fraud, all he wants is to make new characters for the fighting and gacha cashgrabs for easy money. Touhou is over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:41:38 2022 No.38807359 >>38807165 I chuckled.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 28 23:42:58 2022 No.38807367 Snuggling up against Mima sama's ghost tail...

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:20:55 2022 No.38807660

>>38801376
>Seeing how he really struggles with making newhus relevant
How so?

Seija and Shinmyoumaru still get play
Hecatia and Sagume are quite important. Doremy can't stop showing up.
Okina is easily the biggest new character.
The Matriarchs are lingering in relevance--that's still quite new, have to wait and see.

And of course, same with the latest game. Sure, most characters fall to the wayside, but that's always been the case. A handful of importants and a whole lot of "they also exist"s

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:22:44 2022 No.38807679 >>38798102 People dying or being wounded is the only sign of change to you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:27:54 2022 No.38807746 >>38799421 I have to think so, I mean REALLY He's even still doing it now! Having Mokou ask her why she knows things she shouldn't

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:28:22 2022 No.38807755

>>38807315
>our whole way of life is different due to spell card rules
its literally just a fucking battle system. It isnt the whole culture, it isnt the way of life, the girls arent in constant war against each other. Shit I could even say the whole idea of if balancing out strong vs weak is not absolute and point to Seija for proof of that. Its different yes, but not wholly or fundamentally

As for the whole lot of characters you mention, they are change again but not really. They are 'motion' as I would call it. They are added into the pool of Gensokyo but they don't move the pool, they simply flow in it. Characters are added and do their thing, some even have dynamics with other characters, some do in fact execute actions benefitial or not in the world like Eientei but thats my point: so what? They are integrated and they finish their stories but what have these collective things actually added up to? Not really anything more than sometimes a new visitor to the hakurei shrine. The base of this world is that of a balance stemming from the human village and changes would have to be done with so much deliberation that the core in practice has remained the same.
The series of games is about beating the shit out of anyone who breaks the status quo and keeping that balance, and new people only are introduced for exactly that reason; breaking and getting beaten.
The lunar invasions, massive events, have had no repercussions besides some idiots living in earth, which is kind of underwelming isnt it? (and they do... not much)

My point is more metatextual, basically. The themes of change and progress are there but dont actually have that much strength or effect. This is precisely because of the decisions ZUN has taken with his world and games. Which is to me hilarious as he also has Maribel and Renko as characters but it all seems like bubbles, loosely strung together but never fully becoming one body. Its somewhat contradictory, dualistic id say: change is needed but its mirrored by stillness

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:28:33 2022 No.38807759

>>38807660
>Aunn, Eternity, Nemuno, Narumi, Mai/Satono, Eika, Urumi, Kutaka, Yachie, Mayumi, Keiki, and basically everyone in UM
Be honest, will we EVER see these people EVER again? The answer is no. Or maybe as a cameo background character but that's it. Miyoi has her own fucking manga and no one cares about her, she's like a background character in her own damn show.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:30:02 2022 No.38807771 >>38807759 >Aunn She's a background character, but she's a frequent one and that's what matters. >Eternity Had a role in Visionary Fairies in Shrine I think? >Kutaka Was a boss in 17.5 I think

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:31:03 2022 No.38807782

>>38807759
Like I said, most character tend to fall to the wayside. When's the last time you saw Letty?

That said
>Aunn
Became a WaHH side character near the end
>Eternity
Was a focus of a VFiS chapter
>Narumi
Was a focus of a CoLA chapter
>Mai/Satono
I just want to note that it's weird how these two never show up.
>Kutaka
Boss in 17.5

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:34:05 2022 No.38807811

>>38807755
>its literally just a fucking battle system
stopped reading right here, this is false and if this is the basis you're operating on you must be unaware of things so it's not worth arguing

For you: the spell card rules are a means of keeping the balance of fighting in Gensokyo and fear in without a need of death of humans or the destruction of the world. Its implementation had enormous ramifications and changed how the world worked, having proceeded after a violent series of events perpetuated by Remilia (a usual thing before the rules)

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:35:42 2022 No.38807819

The problem isn't having or not having characters appear in backgrounds like Aunn does.

The issue is that modern games simply lack their version of Sanae. A character that will obviously be a mainstay, can carry either its closest group or even cast of entire game and makes splash in community.

We need a new character who will make it big and have multiple significant apperances.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:37:35 2022 No.38807839

>>38802182
he's only done that once, though? With Kasen. Also Kasen is a hermit weirdo so who knows how she crept on by.

Kosuzu and Miyoi were met at the start of their mangas. Aunn was "met", but not really and understandably nobody recognized her. The actual only real other case I can think of is Narumi, who has met Marisa before the events of her game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:40:35 2022 No.38807870 >>38807819 Eh, I'm fine without that because it in itself would become formulaic. I like the constants instead, and the complete curveballs like Reisen, Aya, Cirno, or even Flan if you count it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:43:34 2022 No.38807905 >>38807870 "Youngest" of those characters was added 2005. Case and point why new girls won't be relevant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:45:06 2022 No.38807915 >>38807905 no like I said adding "and here's the new protag THIS time!" just would get old, ZUN already did it several times and obviously thought it was overplayed by the addition of Sanae. Look at it from that perspective.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:48:21 2022 No.38807940

>>38801376
>>38807819
The thing that makes characters popular or not is whether they have a "family". Individual characters aren't popular, groups or them are, as well as any characters that can be made into groups.(e.g. the only reason wriggle was ever popular and a stepping stone for Mystia and Rumia's popularity.)

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:49:48 2022 No.38807949

>>38805305
>Everything ZUN has made since lolk has been forgettable except the 17/17.5 crew and Okina
Is the joke that that means "almost nothing (and by the way UM only released very recently)"?
I mean other than 15, it's 15, 17, 17.5 , and 18 for introduction of new stuff so... nearly everything

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:50:50 2022 No.38807957 >>38805878 You really sound like someone who did not read AFiEU. There is a TON to like about it.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:52:50 2022 No.38807971

>>38807940
No matter how many 0s you add the result is still 0. Prismrivers and Tsukumogamis are perfect example of that.

Each group needs a carry. Old groups had multiples (SDM had remi, patche and sakuta) while new groups rarely even have one.

Good example of that are Grassroots. They are popular, surprisingly so for a group of low level bosses, but its clear that what accelerated their popularity was Kagerou (and her lewds).

Not to mention that you have characters like Yatadera who despite being connected to franchise 2nd main character are barely recognised anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:55:07 2022 No.38807985 >>38807949 >other than 15, it's 16*, of course

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:56:43 2022 No.38808000 Since when were prismrivers unpopular?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:58:04 2022 No.38808017 >>38807811 Yeah yeah the vampire incident you illiterate niger

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 00:59:13 2022 No.38808025 File: 674 KB, 650x790, 1618305812229.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38807957 "You just didn't read it" is not an argument!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:00:02 2022 No.38808029 >>38808017 Says the dumbass who hasn't read the draft of the spell card rules

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:00:36 2022 No.38808034
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moko a cute.

but i don't like the newhu. bad design, bad entry and seems extremely shallow with no niche to fill.
hopefully this is just a 1-off and she gets resealed, disappearing forever with ZUN wanting to focus on the ramifications of being a precarios youkai again, like Fortune-Teller.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:01:26 2022 No.38808042 >>38808025 Given the only things mentioned were the politics/the final Heca interview, it does sound like "did not read it" There's business talk, short stories, more interviews, talk of events, reviews, forecasting, advertisements there's a lot

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:11:53 2022 No.38808120 >>38808042 The politics and fake news are some of the major themes of the book, it's disingenuous to act like they're something minor. And both PMiSS and Bohemian had that extra stuff and did it better.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:14:01 2022 No.38808140

>>38808120
I never said they were minor. I'm the one telling YOU it's disingenuous to say that that's all the book had. Don't be obtuse. Your opinion that it's "worse" is also merely that, your opinion. It's just another means of seeing the world, from a different angle.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:16:43 2022 No.38808155

>>38808120
yknow i wouldn't mind the fake news bit since aya is known for doing that + touhous entire theme is differing perceptions
but the entire time period of politics weren't in your face no matter what side of the globe you were on
there were ways to incorporate that in the story without it being obvious and it wasn't subtle at all
>inb4 back to pol
doesn't matter still obnoxious in any fantasy story period

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:17:09 2022 No.38808157

>>38805795
Wasn't Clowpie's dress made from the flag planted on the moon? I think i remember something about that in Sangetsusei. Might be me remembering wrong though.
Lampads in greek mythology are often naked, so i just got this funny image of Hecatia hurrying to dress up Clownpiece for her game debut and just taking the nearest cloth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:35:47 2022 No.38808288 >>38804699 The feathers might be Yukari's crows /shrug

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:44:10 2022 No.38808354

On the stagnation thing I think Touhou "feels" stagnant because no matter what happens the result is always the same: the relevant parties are defeated/quelled/pacified and everyone has a tea party at the shrine. In the terms of greater Gensokyo-wide change there will be at most a new faction or base or stronk girl walking around, and that's about it. Whenever stakes are introduced you already know it's a hollow bluff because ZUN would never do anything to negatively impact Gensokyo or any of the relevant characters in any meaningful way, as Touhou is primarily a Slice-of-Life work. Even if something bad happens it will always be solved quickly and with minimal damage, and truly bad things only happen to irrelevant characters.
This also ties into the characters in that no one ever really changes. Reimu will forever remain "Reimu", there will never be character development for her that carries across works, she will always be a lazy, indolent poor money-grubber and this goes for basically every other character as well. When Marisa blew up at Reimu over pretending there was no incident during the Four Seasons Incident in WaHH Reimu showed initiative she normally never shows, but something like that will never happen again as immediately after she went back to her usual lazy self. When a manga or game ends you don't feel that much as changed, there may be a new fixture at Reimus shrine parties but that is about it.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:44:32 2022 No.38808357
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>>38808140
>Your opinion that it's "worse" is also merely that, your opinion
Well yes. Did you enter a discussion of people sharing their opinions on whether they like a book or not and think that it was otherwise? The political angle of the book was literally in the title, and it was done pretty openly. If you like it fine but it should be easy to see how having Miko quote trump will turn people off and hamper the enjoyment of the book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:50:57 2022 No.38808411 >>38808034 Mima's design is shit as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:54:33 2022 No.38808434 >>38808411 Seeing a reworked version of her design would be cool, like from pc98 alice to pcb

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:54:36 2022 No.38808435 >>38808157 You remember the flag falling to earth and the fairies finding it

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:56:20 2022 No.38808449 >>38808357 >the whole book is one page I hate -u

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:56:32 2022 No.38808451 File: 339 KB, 1591x2246, 1634163901042.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38808411 Wrong!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 01:59:54 2022 No.38808479 >>38808451 More than half that image is non-canon

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:04:05 2022 No.38808507 >>38808354 doesn't help that time is fucky as all hell some things pass in real-time (sumireko is a modern teenager with a smartphone and akyuu seems to have actually aged), but 99% of characters show no sign of aging or any time passing at all

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:07:53 2022 No.38808531 >>38808449 this wasn't really ever implied in the post that started this discussion between him and you

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:15:09 2022 No.38808572 File: 603 KB, 801x924, mimi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38805527 Kinda tried but lost motivation half way through,

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:15:30 2022 No.38808573 >>38808531 >and you different anon actually

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:29:43 2022 No.38808663 >>38808572 very cute and round face!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:37:29 2022 No.38808723 >>38807233 There will be no Mima milkies

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:52:18 2022 No.38808837 I want Makai to come back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:55:35 2022 No.38808856 >>38802850 The blood feud is just a pretext for the fighting, and the fighting is just a way to pass the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 02:59:16 2022 No.38808884 File: 276 KB, 599x683, muu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38796199 Ah yes, the rule of every good who-did-it mystery, "Some stranger did it lol"

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:15:09 2022 No.38808960 So who's next after Kaguya? Seems to me like trying to possess Eiki or Komachi is suicidally reckless for a vengeful spirit, so they might get skipped. Moriya Shrine would be next, right? Would it be Kanako or Sanae who gets possessed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:39:13 2022 No.38809098 File: 555 KB, 1536x1152, 1646105919248.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mimabros don't lose hope. Next up in PoFV and Yuuka might come back. Mima will surely come back. The Mystic Square protagonist cast will reunite! I feel it in my bones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:41:50 2022 No.38809119 >>38809098 It's been over a decade now at some point you need to accept its never happening.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:42:58 2022 No.38809129 What dumbasses saw ZUN take nearly 20 years to reintroduce Flandre into canon and thought "yeah he'll definitely reintroduce the literal who protagonist from games he made during the stone age"

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:45:42 2022 No.38809150 >>38809129 Mima posters have literally been doing this since /jp/'s early ages and even earlier. Mind you Mima isn't even popular in Japan the delusion she's important enough for ZUN to want to bring back is mostly a western one.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:51:38 2022 No.38809180
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>>38809098
If she isn't here by or on the release of Touhou 20 then she's never coming back.
>>38809150
There are quite a few tweets of bewilderment and disappointment by Japanese people on Twitter

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:52:06 2022 No.38809183 >>38808573 I am a disgrace, sumimasen I will sudoku now, sayonara.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 03:53:52 2022 No.38809194
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>>38807782
>I just want to note that it's weird how these two never show up.
I think the problem with Mai and Satono is that they have zero personality. They exist because "Yukari had two servants so Neo-Yukari should too". They don't do anything and, worst of all, cannot stand on their own whatsoever. You can use Ran or Chen by themselves because they're characters but Mai and Satono are nothing without each other and are only known for doing Okina's bidding without much character.

Personally I feel like ZUN should've gone the "creepy twins" angle (which I kinda think he was trying to do but he didn't emphasize it enough). That would've helped them a lot and still have them dependent on one another.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 04:08:49 2022 No.38809297 >>38809194 It's insane how Mai and Satono feel like such nobodies with no personality or self when their competition are literally equated to computer software.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 04:12:59 2022 No.38809315

>>38807346
>aya made it because shes retarded
point taken.
I'm not really arguing against you, you're kind of right its really just odd to me that she would take said stance since it seems counterproductive to herself but if shes stupid then yeah, yeah I can see it.
Sorry for the late reply.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 04:23:42 2022 No.38809385 >>38808017 Which literate rivers are you familiar with, anon?

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 04:44:27 2022 No.38809534
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>>38809150
>Mind you Mima isn't even popular in Japan the delusion she's important enough for ZUN to want to bring back is mostly a western one.
To be honest, it's hard to be popular in the current day among nips when all of her appearance are on some old OS barely anyone still had during Touhou first boom in popularity (and you know how nips views are on emulation).
Though then again, Mima was more popular than some EoSD, PCB and IN characters during the very early polls. And she was always more popular than Yuuka was until PoFV came out.
Mind you, not like ZUN cares about popularity at all. Just look at how long it took him to give Flandre any attention, and how much he kept pushing Mamizou and Sumireko despite neither of them being popular.

Anonymous Tue Mar 1 04:45:18 2022 No.38809539

>>38809150
>>38809180
yeah in this case it really did stink of Mima. As someone who got into Touhou about 5 years ago I missed most of the Mima stuff though in my overview I couldn't understand why anyone "felt it in their bones". For THIS though? Listen, I don't care about Mima, but there is a LOT of hinting at it probably being a scorned old ghost protagonist that hates the Hakurei shrine AKA fucking MIMA

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 04:49:45 2022 No.38809566 >>38809385 ...the prism rivers :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 04:51:21 2022 No.38809573 File: 1.93 MB, 1300x1790, 74034030_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She is cute Also a very strong player character

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 04:57:34 2022 No.38809612 Watch as the one pseudo-reference to Mima in CoLA gets retconned to actually have been talking about Mizuchi this entire fucking time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 06:20:07 2022 No.38810036 >>38809612 It's also very possible she will have green hair. ZUN isn't done with us, isn't he?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 07:45:01 2022 No.38810389 >>38807341 name

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 07:54:42 2022 No.38810413 File: 710 KB, 840x590, 1631283234753.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>38809098 It's happening this time for sure

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 09:23:12 2022 No.38810738 >>38809098 it's cute that you actually think we're going to make it to PoFV

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 10:00:38 2022 No.38810896 >>38810036 Zun totally gonna do it. Exact same shade of green.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 10:18:48 2022 No.38811003 >>38805957 Low quality bait.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 1 18:35:15 2022 No.38815456 >>38811003 17 & 18 are fine with the exception of Chimata's fight being lazy and rushed as hell

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