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Why does the gensoukyo gene pool consist mainly of females?

I assume when villagers die they get reincarnated into cute 2hu's but it just so happens you get youkai like youmu who aren't pure bred so there has too be at least one person brave enough to procreate with a youkai

So my headcanon is human blood is just way too weak when mixed with youkai blood so that's why its near impossible to produce any male youkai right?

>> No.38516017

Well, there’s Rinnosuke, but he doesn’t seem very interested in sex.

>> No.38516084
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Reimu murders all youkai who aren't cute girls.

>> No.38519430

>>38516084
People always use this as an example, but if they want a real one, they should look to the chapter of WaHH with the hobgoblins.

>> No.38519469

>>38515997
Youmu is a half-youkai because of weird spirit nonsense. I don’t think her mother fucked a ghost, nor the reverse.
>>38516017
Even Rinnosuke is halfbred.

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>>38519430
So all male youkai are ugly while all female youkai are cute women, gotcha

>> No.38525576

>>38515997
because zun is leery of the schizoid fanbase murdering him
stage 6 boss of ufo was supposed to be a famous monk from his home town but he pussied out and made byakuren just be his sister

>> No.38529107
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>>38523855
Probably not. All Youkai are shape shifters, so we never get to see thier true forms. They all are ugly abominations, the "females" just like to hide it.

>> No.38530174

>>38529107
Nah that's not it, even Nue, who's supposed to be a freak, has the appearance of a cute girl as her true form.

>> No.38530283

>>38530174
>true form
The alien in the movie "The Thing" had a human form to when it assimilated someone maybe Nue works the same way and if you find yourself in a room with her she'll turn you into another Nue

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>>38525576
ZUN has never really cared that much about his fanbase. He does what he wants, anon. And he can easily add male youkai as stage boss in next game. Prove me wrong.

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>>38530563
Anon, ZUN does Touhou for the money. I don't understand how anyone can think that's not the case. It's not like he sells his games for 15 USD each if he was simply making the games for himself. If ZUN knows it'll be controversial to add a malr character in a game series that primarily has had an all female cast for decades he won't do it. He lets his fanbase make fangames using his IP because it gets his series more popular, hence earning him more money. He even wants his characters added to Smash Bros for god sake. He allowed a company to make gacha game of his IP despite having said that he dislikes gacha games. He allowed cave to use his IP. It's clear where he wants his series to be heading.

>> No.38533502

>>38530717
While it ZUN has gotten more cynical in his handling of touhou over the years he still is nowhere near the average fuckhead in the industry he resides.
It could be said that the last game he made solely for himself was 08, as it had been intended to be the last touhou project game for at least a few years, and he expected that he would end up working in some company or other as a wagie. Well, luckily for him and for us, EoSD PCB and IN were huge successes at comiket and he decided to take making touhou more seriously.
I would mark this as the point that he started making games in the hopes of sustaining himself through the revenue, with PoFV being the first in this line, tho that was a somewhat hastily put together game meant for comiket.
MoF onwards the games change in nature, with the plots being more cause and effect based, than just characters fucking around and moving on whims.
At the same time we also see the first printworks with Bougetsushou, Bohemian and Perfect Memento. These works mark the establishment of a more thought out lore.
After that the next "big" step into cynisism would be 16, which carries the feel of "ugh, i guess ive got to make a game" and the approval of the gacha games, there are multiple ones.
As for some of the points you make
> It's not like he sells his games for 15 USD each if he was simply making the games for himself.
First, improve your grammatical structure and cohesion, but from what i gather you mean that if he really made these games for himself he wouldn't sell them. And while i do believe that he hasnt made the games exclusively for himself since at least PoFV, its ridiculous to criticize someone for selling a work they make. There is nothing wrong with making money off your works, art for purely arts sake doesn't put food on the table. Additionally back in the day the games where distributed physically, so there was a base cost for the disks.
>If ZUN knows it'll be controversial to add a malr character in a game series that primarily has had an all female cast for decades he won't do it.
It wouldn't be controversial, it would be atypical. The reasons as to why ZUN sticks to female characters are two as far as I can tell, 1 he likes drawing girls and 2 they are more popular, at least outside the fujo demographic. And as to character popularity, or more importantly, exploitation of said popularity, it doesnt matter much. Lets be honest here, ZUN could've released only male characters after IN and the merchandise sales wouldnt change much. The characters from 06 07 and 08 are so overwhelmingly popular that there wouldnt be much loss without the rest.
>He lets his fanbase make fangames using his IP because it gets his series more popular, hence earning him more money.
This point is outright retarded, what should he do? Act like nintendo and send the kneebreakers whenever someone dares to make a fangame based of his doujin series???
>He even wants his characters added to Smash Bros for god sake
Of all the things you mentioned this is the most serious, as involvement with smash shit would inevitably poison the franchise, lead to stricter control over fan content and herd more normalfags in
And one last point for the gacha stuff. Before I mentioned it as a step into the direction of cynisism, with ZUN approving of something he isn't a fan off because of the money involved. However its possible that he didn't want to set a double standard, by allowing people to make monetised touhou games, but not permitting the gacha guys from making ones because he personally doesn't like gacha. It would be silly in the same way that it would be silly to prevent someone from making a platformer if he disliked platformers.
There are lots of non gacha touhou games that are monetised, and all monetised touhou games have to be passed by ZUN for approval, with a set of rules that must be followed to be accepted.

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>>38530717
>>38533502
Wait, the "Reimu for smash" shit was not just a forced meme? It could actually have happned? Even worse, it might still come true?

>> No.38551516

>>38533988
Always has, Anon.
If you thought 2020-2021 was bad, you have no idea what Reimu being in smash would do to this board.

>> No.38551654

>>38533988
>>38551516
>Reimu is added as a character
>this pushes Touhou towards the limelight
>new fans flood in and discover the decades of shitposting
>start spouting old memes like a bunch of TF2 players
>/jp/ gets a heart attack and gets catalog bombed
>/v/ tries to raid /jp/ during the initial reveal and /jp/ mods accidentally ban a bunch of /jp/ posters during the chaos
>/jp/ also enters a new era of paranoia because they think their board will be invaded when nobody gives a fuck about them and their idolshit anymore
>Touhoufags and /jp/ being forced to talk about the games again mindbreaks them
>Touhou threads on /v/ get insta-derailed by Twitter screencaps of random people saying ignorant shit about the games (and Touhoufags are too autistic to ignore them)
>a LOT of porn, mostly armpit screenshots of Smash Reimu
>people speculating about what musical tracks will be in and how hard Sakurai will suck EOSD dick
>Marisa and Sanaefags not shutting the fuck up
>three dozen reaction videos of nobody e-celebs acting confused
>at least half of them are making generic waifu jokes because they have no idea of who Reimu is
>collective outrage and confusion from western characterfags
>Neptunia/Love Live ironic weebs latch on Touhou
>they start bringing fumos to EVO
>they start banning fumos at EVO
>Gokufags become even more obnoxious because "an anime character is in"
>the bullet hell difficulty attracts souls-like fags and e-celebs
>TOUHOU RAGE COMPILATION MUST WATCH #19
>TOUHOU: THE DARK SOULS OF SHOOTERS, ANIME-STYLE
>GAME THEORY - THE TRUTH BEHIND HAKUREI SHRINE
>clickbait.com - HOW TOUHOU WAS AHEAD OF ITS TIME BY INTRODUCING A NON-BINARY CHARACTER (insert Wriggle here)
>Jap sites can't stop cumming and laughing at the Fatesfags
>2ch is on full shitstorm mode because she was a Sans tier meme choice
>Pixiv gets nuked so hard by crossover art that it becomes unusable
I'm quoting myself by the way

>> No.38564304

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>> No.38564312 [DELETED] 

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>> No.38565596

>>38515997
>Why does the gensoukyo gene pool consist mainly of females?
There's plenty of males, human and youkai in Gensokyo. They're just not relevant to incidents and danmaku battles since those are for girls as ZUN said in his interview for EoSD IIRC.
You could view 2hu as a mahou shoujo series, girls at the forefront and men just exist as NPC's save for ones important to the lore of a relevant character or worldbuilding.

>> No.38572301

>>38523855
I just meant Reimu really does murder all youkai who aren't cute girls and that chapter shows it more.

>> No.38572688
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>>38551654
Ironic, but most of this shit has already happened.

>> No.38575877

>>38515997
It doesn't. Village has plenty of men.

As for why Youkai look like cute girls. They LOOK like cute girls. They are not actually cute girls. They can just shapeshift into a female form, which they do because it looks pleasant and it's easier to lure in dumb outsiders if they look like that.

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>>38575877
>headcanon schizophrenia

>> No.38576890

>>38576686
It's canon, dude. Read WaHH. Kasen talks all about it

>> No.38577002

>>38529107
>Yuuka retains a humanoid shape
What did they mean by this

>> No.38577035

>>38530717
I thought he did Touhou as something to add to his music albums which are his true passion.

>> No.38577249

>>38576890
And Miyoi talks in LE that youkais don't eat people nowadays. Sorry, manga isn't an argument. it's was her (Kasen) own thoughts, nothing more. Because only actual incidents are 100% canon if they happen in manga. Anyway, we always can ask ZUN about this.

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>>38577002
Do you want to be the one who draws Yuuka as an ugly creature and then have her find out?

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There's plenty of malehous, Wriggle and Suika just to name a few off the top of my head, maybe there's SOME more females, perhaps even something like a 30/70 ratio, but to say the population consists mainly of females is just dishonest

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>>38581231
OKINA NOOOO

>> No.38586740

>>38515997
Magic babies.

>> No.38588038

>>38515997
I don't know but I do know want to procreate with youmu.

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>>38575877
>>38577249
>>38576890
>>38576686
Anon isn't talking about anything Kasen said or thought. In fact Kasen didn't understand the claim, which implies that it's possibly not even correct. Reimu says that youkai nowadays are not youkai in the original sense, but Kasen (an ancient youkai) is genuinely confused by the concept, and the final chapter of the series shows that when Kasen was young she looked exactly the same.
With full context, it feels like these pages are suggesting more simply that youkai are not scary enough, and have become very complacent--not suggesting that youkai have changed physically, per se. If anything Reimu's words imply they have the same form as always.
Would maybe help to have the raw

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>>38575877
>>38576686
>>38576890
>>38577249
>>38597323

>> No.38605972

>>38597329
Is Youkai Hunting really the main duty of a Shrine Maiden? Doesn't she have other shit to do?

>> No.38606822

>>38576686
>Headcanon
No? The Manga show the likes of Nitori turning into a more traditional Kappa when trying to be intimidating. Perfect Memento mentions outsiders, and even natives, being lured or deceived by Youkai that look like little kids.

>> No.38606837

>>38597329
Reimu is such a piece of shit.

>"I Would literally have systematic murder than get a real job."

>> No.38606839

>>38606822
Post the page

>> No.38607007
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>>38606839
Perfect Memento:
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Wriggle_Nightbug
> She likely needs to take on a human shape in order to make it more difficult for humans to exterminate her.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Rumia
>3: Even though she looks young, she eats humans.
>https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Outsider
>*Even if they see youkai, they will neither run nor fight.

>> No.38607121

>>38607007
I will admit that it's not quite her shapeshifting into a old fashioned Kappa, but it is still pretty revealing.

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>>38607007
>Most outsiders that get caught by youkai either get eaten at once, or get eaten once the youkai lose interest in them.
Remember to do your performance art reps to ensure your long-term survival for when you are in the presence of your waifu, /jp/.

>> No.38608005

>>38607267
I mean, they don't say it outright. But the implication of what "lose interest" means is pretty obvious.

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>>38608005
>the implication of what "lose interest" means is pretty obvious.
I don't get it.

>> No.38608282

>>38608218
Youkai have sex with captured outsiders until they get bored of them and eat them.

>> No.38608524

>>38608282
And we're joking about fairies being flying onaholes, outsiders are literally disposable edible meat dildos to youkai.

>> No.38610855

>>38608524
This sounds really hot but I don't want to due so I have to pass.

>> No.38611849

>>38608282
What if I say no? Would that help?

Also is it just Youkai or do I have to look out for the others too?

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>>38611849
Probably not, and presumably you won't know they're about to eat you until it happens, or outsiders would fight and run more.

>> No.38612145

>>38577249
>Miyoi talks in LE that youkais don't eat people nowadays.
Isn't she just saying that so the village dude doesn't panic?

>> No.38612160

>>38612145
How many humans have Miyoi eaten in the past?

>> No.38612170

>>38608282
No way

>> No.38612187

>>38611882
Joking aside , that might be because youkai look like humans.

>> No.38612210

>>38612160
Correct me but if i remember correctly the village dude is drinking with his pal and they start talking about youkai and one says something along the lines of "maybe we are nothing more than cattle for youkai and they will come to eat us soon enough" so Miyoi hearing the dark conversation tries to calm them down saying "h-haha youkai don't eat humans anymore don't be silly" so she is obviously just trying to calm to drunk guys down before they spread panic around her business and the village

>> No.38612228

>>38612210
I was genuinely asking, I haven't read the whale manga so I don't even know what kind of youkai she is.

>> No.38612324

>>38611849
>What if I say no? Would that help?
To the sex or getting eaten?

Either way, no.

>Also is it just Youkai or do I have to look out for the others too?
Sakuya is the only human that might attack you. I doubt she would do anything towards you though before she cuts you into shreds, that would be improper.

Magicians meanwhile might abduct you if you are a shota I can't get over the fact that's actually canon or use you as a human sacrifice. Probably not Marisa or Alice though.

>>38612187
I mean, that is what is implied.

>> No.38612360

>>38612145
>>38612210
Pretty much. But I'll add that on average human villagers don't seem to be on the menu unless they do something very stupid. So, she's technically correct if you don't view outsiders as people.

>>38612228
She's a Zashiki-warashi. While those often work for Yukari like some kind of Youkai secret police in Gensokyo, she seems to be independent. Also generally a pretty good girl, despite how she comes across at first..

>> No.38612688

>>38612324
> Magicians meanwhile might abduct you if you are a shota
Wait WHAT?! When did this get confirmed?

>> No.38616617

>>38612360
The more I learn the more I only trust Kasen ans Shiki

>> No.38617344

>>38607007
I take anything written by Akyuu with a grain of salt

>> No.38619192

>>38612688
>https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Magician
>At worst, they might even steal children (*4).
>4: Sometimes the children become the magicians' apprentices .
I know this is something wizards often did in myths, but I refuse to believe ZUN didn't realize what he was doing.

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>>38619192
ZUN gently guiding the fan artists in the desired direction

>> No.38619293

>>38616617
Probably a good idea. The only other youkai that seems somewhat trustworthy is Wriggle. Mostly because she wants humans and insects to get along.

>>38617344
I would say it's less that you have to take it with a grain of salt and more that you should think about if she can lie about it and would lie about it.

For instance, she COULD very well lie about Rumia eating people. Unless she's personally asked her, she only has vague rumors to go on. And if she did personally ask her, it's pretty likely Rumia told her to embellish her threat level. Granted, I do think Rumia is the type of Youkai that eats people. But it is still possible for Akyuu to eat people.

The other two though are a bit harder to justify in the same way. Youkai would have little reason to embellish their threat towards outsiders considering they don't read Akyuu's writing. And her conclusion regarding Wriggle, while a guess, doesn't seem like something she would have a reason to lie about.

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>>38619293
>But it is still possible for Akyuu to eat people.

>> No.38619326

>>38619314
I meant Rumia.

Akyuu probably doesn't eat people. I mean, when you hang out with Youkai all the time it's possible they might feed you some by accident. But, you know, that doesn't count.

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>>38619326
Eating stuff youkai give you without question sounds like a quick way to turn into a youkai.

>> No.38619359

>>38619338
I doubt they would do that to her. If only because then Reimu would have to kill her and her interview would go to waste.

Wonder if the Hakurei Shrine Maidens would make a exception for unwilling Youkai-fication.

>> No.38625640

>>38619293
>For instance, she COULD very well lie about Rumia eating people. Unless she's personally asked her, she only has vague rumors to go on.
You are looking too much into this. Akyuu is meant to provide us insight into Gensokyo and its residents. There is no reason to assume it is not true, it does not really contradict anything we already know.
>>38597323
Evolution of how youkai had been percieved in Japan is a subject on its own. Touhou focuses mostly on classic period, Asuka, Nara, Heian. Well, mostly Heian I'd say. Youkai depictions from that time are faceless, scary entities that erase you from existence if you speak to them or pass their house. If a youkai from that time plays games with you, the best solution is to leave the house, never come back, warn others and ask everyone around if it could be an angry onryou.
Buddhism influence changed that, and many youkai became metaphors for being lost on your path. By the time Gensokyo gets established, even by most traditional standards, youkai became much, much more humane entities. So what if some prey on humans? They have emotions, relationships, hobbies, they are way more human than they used to. Some walk the streets of the human village with little to no cover.The fact Rumia or Nemuno are scary predators hunting lost souls does not change the fact kappas run entertainment for humans and Eientei sells medicine.

>> No.38625771

>>38625640
Oh fuc what if eientei medicine is full of corn syrup

>> No.38629028

>>38515997
for me

>> No.38634122

>>38625640
>There is no reason to assume it is not true, it does not really contradict anything we already know.
I agree. That's why I said as much. My point is though that she could lie about it and has a reason to lie about it. Which is different from other situations.

>> No.38640282 [DELETED] 

>>38515997

>> No.38640696

>>38619293
>Unless she's personally asked her, she only has vague rumors to go on.
You know there is a certain newsbird that has directly asked Rumia about it and Rumia said it was too much of a bother to attack humans. People really love to ignore that.

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>>38606837
She just likes to do what she does best. As a spoiled prodigy kid, she hates losing and struggling to get better at anything else.

>> No.38641375

>>38608282
Why would youkai desire sex? For what purpose?

>> No.38641390

>>38641375
Pleasure maybe? Maybe procreation because half human half youkai like Youmu, Rinnosuke and Youki exist

>> No.38641991

>>38641375
Succubi and empusai are things

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>>38641375
Supposedly they feed on human emotions, and if they can't get humans to fear them, they might have to try something else.

>> No.38643450

>>38643257
OH YEAH BABY sparrow and ball torture!

>> No.38643847

>>38619293
>>38619326
Who says the humans in the village *don't* practice cannibalism? Meat's meat.

>> No.38643979

>>38551654
It would've been cool though :(
If only there was a way Reimu could be in the vanilla game without any of the normies finding out...

>> No.38644092

>>38605972
Youkai hunting is the only part of the job as a shrine maiden she enjoys doing. And she will play favourites if she feels like it, like how she is the only human who knows Kasen's true identity. This is why all high class youkais have connections with her.

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What do you guys think about this form of god procreation?

>> No.38644407

>>38640696
Nah. It states she's too lazy to actively hunt them. Like lay ambushes, wait for them at critical junctures. She prefers to just fly around wanting food to fly into her mouth.

>>38643847
Well, it says they threat outsiders pretty well. Unless they eat their own, or anybody after the die, it seems VERY unlikely.

>> No.38644480

>>38641375
Youkai are by their very nature highly emotional and selfish creatures. If something makes them feel good, like sex, they will most likely go out of their way to seek it regardless of any practical applications.

>>38643257
Also this. Granted, for most of them it's less that they feed on fear and more that they need fear to survive. But I imagine that other emotions do sometimes suffice, since not all Youkai exists just because they are feared.

>> No.38644810

>>38644407
>it was too much of a bother to attack humans.
>she's too lazy to actively hunt them.
These are different to you?

>> No.38644835

>>38644810
Yes. If you were to walk up to Rumia she would still eat you.

>> No.38644858

>>38644396
it is pretty in line with Shinto, in a way.

>> No.38645376

>>38644835
That's not attacking though. If you walk into a knife someone is holding, they didn't attack you.

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>>38645376
Not a great analogy, an outsider wouldn't know what she's capable of.

>> No.38654537

>>38645467
She's not capable of anything, ZUN always says she's a joke with a strong sounding power but is really weak and stupid. Fans just wank youkai as being some sort of supermen all as strong as oni, even the children. Rumia is nothing more than a lazy NEET youkai with no skills, no brains, and no effort. Even if you tripped and broke your leg she could fly right over you and not see you with her darkness. If it wasn't for hiding herself, she'd be just another onahole class being, except you wouldn't want to use the blowjob function.

>> No.38654732

>>38654537
What would it take to make Rumia powerful? Spreading rumors about her?

>> No.38656147

>>38654537
i don't jerk off the idea of all youkai being as strong as oni but aren't they genuinely stronger than the average human? at least the vast majority, patchy being a known notable exception

>> No.38656569

>>38654732
Given her power, humanity would probably have to become afraid of the dark again. Or maybe invoke the talisman-is-a-seal meme. Also age. Or feeding her a hermit.
>>38656147
>patchy being a known notable exception
Patchouli isn't notable because magicians are basically just humans that can use magic naturally. They aren't any different beyond that, both human and non human types only have a natural human lifespan until they learn how to sustain themselves with magic. Byakuren is the notable exception because she can make herself strong. The typical even fully ageless youkai mage is just as strong as they look.

>aren't they genuinely stronger than the average human? at least the vast majority
Depending on what you call youkai, the majority are ghosts and fairies which are weaker than humans. As far as power goes as a concept, power isn't necessarily physical. Medicine's poisons are dangerous enough to affect other youkai, but she still has a doll body, nothing an axe can't handle. The majority after that are probably beast youkai which would likely be physically stronger than humans, but honestly like the humans that get mentioned are exceptional humans, most of the youkai that get mentioned are exceptional youkai. The rest are young child youkai (like Rumai) who are stupid and probably not so much stronger than a human, if at all considering ZUN likes to say how they're stupid small fry. Akyuu is basically the only one saying they're generally physically stronger anyway and even then she's being wishy washy about it with Rumia. Honestly, if youkai are shaped by belief, spending too much time thinking of them as cute humanoids alone would weaken them physically, which I suppose is why Akyuu theorized that Rumia hides herself to hide her appearance. People are scared of darkness not little girls. Tengu, oni, and kappa at least have histories of being a strong species by nature to keep them powerful. Generically "youkai" could just be a girl with a really long neck who is barely different from a human except that she's really chuuni looking. Even then, if they're stronger than an average human, you just bring more humans. Even Akyuu who says youkai are stronger than a human says
>The countermeasure would be to not walk alone at night. This is not just limited to this youkai, but is the most basic form of protection against other youkai.

If nothing else, that Marisa is a normal human and that Cirno is a fairy, who is by default weaker than humans even if she is really strong, are able to become strong enough to easily defeat youkai on the level of Rumia implies a slightly above average human should be able acheive the level of overpowering her. And hell, you don't even have to overpower her, just trap her and have some strong/magical cuffs/chains/cords. An oni could break them but probably not a random youkai.

>> No.38656626

>>38656569
This is actually a pretty good analysis. I do want to add though that a lot of Youkai seem to have natural weapons. Both Chen and Mystia for instance could probably do some serious damage with their nails.

>> No.38656661

How strong are Youkai against modern weapons anyway? I know they are basically immune to physical damage for the most part, but they are also mentioned as having a weakness to fire. A handgun and a motolov cocktail should seemingly allow you to take out your average Youkai.

>> No.38656903

>>38656661
Youkai aren't strong against weapons, youkai are durable. Even if you hack them apart, they heal up. You could blow fat holes in them with a shotgun and they'd heal up. Hell, there's that recent game that proved even Flandre using her power to destroy them doesn't actually kill youkai. (provided the youkai might be a spirit? already.)

>A handgun and a motolov cocktail should seemingly allow you to take out your average Youkai.
Depends on what average is. Example, you can't kill fairies at all except by destroying whatever they are based around, even though you could easily take down several fairies barehanded. They just come back to life. According to PMiSS anyway animal youkai are more physical than others and don't regenerate as easily, so you should probably be able to kill them with normal weapons if you do it well enough.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Beast_Youkai

Note that taking them out doesn't mean they're gone forever if they're something more like fortune teller, who Reimu had to burn the book he wrote so someone else wouldn't read it and revive him.(now that I think about it, that's probably an example of what weak to fire means, although I'm not sure where your mention is from) But as for defeating them and escaping, modern weapons would probably work well enough.

The moon people seemed to praise outside world technology and be losing the war when the humans started building a moonbase in the events mentioned before IN started that least to Eirin hiding the moon, so comparatively our tech is good against supernatural people or humans in Touhou are more advanced. On the other hand, I don't think moon rabbits or Lunarians are particularly unkillable physically.

>> No.38657338

>>38656903
>Youkai aren't strong against weapons, youkai are durable.
That's why I brought up a Molotov cocktail. Since I do remember them being weak against fire. Blow a hole in their brain and then throw a cocktail on them while they are regenerating.

>> No.38657674

>>38654537
>>38656147
>>38656569
>>38656626
>>38656661
>>38656903
>>38657338
I want to add that in japanese myth, while youkai are powerful, most can be killed in the same ways a human can. Even the powerful Oni such as Shuten Douji and Ibaraki Douji, which are the basis for Suika and Kasen respectively, where beaten by normal humans and died from a good old head chopping from normal nippon swords, which if you don't know aren't particularly durable.
Youkai are dangerous due to their special abilities and their malicious intents, but even the strongest can be killed with a bit of trickery and occasionally divine aid. For example the party that went to kill Shuten Douji had the help of four local kami, which granted them a special sake that weakened Shuten and also aided in holding him down, and in one rendition of the story Ibaraki already had his arm chopped off by one of the party members, and later was defeated again in a duel by that guy.
Of course, in touhou Suika and Kasen both rematerialized (and well, its likely that Kasen wasnt at the fortress were Suika got decapitated in touhou cannon, as she purposefully cut off and sealed her arm) so its clear that if you dont seal a youkai it will reappear (with the potential necessity for a certain amount of youki derived from belief) but that doesn't matter if you just get attacked by one at random, you kill it and move on.

>> No.38660150

>>38654732
A Shounen-like Training Arc. That should do it.

>> No.38662584

>>38657674
>where beaten by normal humans and died from a good old head chopping from normal nippon sword
I'm pretty sure Raikou and hisI was about to write down "her" because Fate Grand Order fucked me up gang is anything but normal. Kintoki alone is basically Japanese Hercules.

>course, in touhou Suika and Kasen both rematerialized
To be fair, Suika seems to have mellowed out considerably and it's possible that like Kasen she lost quite a bit of her power.

>> No.38662597

>>38654732
Giving her a brain.

>> No.38666090

How are you supposed to procreate with a concept

>> No.38666331

>>38666090
Tulpa sex

>> No.38668276

>>38666090
I thought about something similar, but a concept allows something to be manifested as anything. Taking James Bond, many people can portray him and while they are portraying him in the movies, they are James Bond. If someone is having sex with him in the movie, they are having sex with James Bond, not the actor playing James Bond. So all you need to do to procreate with a concept is create a situation under which you are able to be in the same situation. If you wish to bang a Touhou, you must have someone play the role of the Touhou while you play the role of yourself. Writing a story, making a manga, or creating a production such as a movie or play are valid. Taking it to the limit, even if you were in a live action movie with a cosplayer and had sex, when you watched it thereafter it would, by virtue of a Touhou girl being just a character concept in an IP, be you as yourself having sex with the desired Touhou. Having someone portray your children would be you successfully procreating with them. You just need to show it to others and it would become part of their legend.

In the Touhou world, just spreading enough rumors of you and your preferred mate having children is probably enough. You might even be able to make use of >>38644396 if you start worshiping something as being the child of your desired goddess and yourself.

>> No.38668852

>>38666090
You cannot. Technically speaking I don't think a fictional character or a youkai's corporeal manifestation is really a concept either, they still have a physical form and presence while a concept does not. Given the time, skills and ability you can do whatever you please to anything that has a physical form, but you cannot do anything to a concept.
>>38668276
Which is why I'm inclined to disagree with this. Having sex with a body or an actor who is meant to embody a specific character/concept is something, perhaps, but I would not equate it with the concept itself. This is not even to mention that I am more convinced that the average doujin artist is holding a highly intricate puppet show where he plays every role and says every line, shattering his own psyche into multiple pieces in order to "act out" dreams of domination because he is incomprehensibly agitated by the fact that he wants what he can never have.
>You just need to show it to others and it would become part of their legend.
>In the Touhou world, just spreading enough rumors of you and your preferred mate having children is probably enough.
Would this not require a decent amount of people to believe in your story for any changes to actually occur? That does not seem like an easy thing. Even if we grant that this can feasibly happen, who is to say that it isn't a perfect opportunity for the youkai? Grant whatever demented desire the common people have or imagine, and let them enjoy what comes after, good or ill. They would have no one to blame but themselves.

>> No.38679992

>>38666090
Magic anon.

>> No.38683414

>>38668276
I want a doujin based on that

>> No.38683474

>>38657674
By the time of the present day, everybody and their mother knows an Onis' weakness, so while they can be immensely powerful and dangerous to the unprepared, someone who actually wants to murder one can do so with only marginally more effort then it would take to kill a regular person, hence Oni being treated as a bit of a gray area in the Human Village, being allowed when most other types of Youkai are not.
Likewise, isn't the fact that if their spirits aren't sealed, their bodies will reform also an Oni fact?

Though, I thought Suika was Shuten Douji's daughter?

>> No.38685517

>>38683474
what are oni weak to again..?

>> No.38685640

>>38685517
onions beans

>> No.38687825

>>38685640
And they're even more effective now that they're symbolic of physical weakness and effeminacy.

>> No.38692335

>>38685640
>>38687825
never fails to make me smile :)

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>>38515997

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