Rance thread #10042 I haven't gotten Shizuka even though Maria just showed up. All walkthrough mentions is that she's supposed to come with Maria. Do I need more NP or what?

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Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:42:05 2009 No.3840180 [Reply] [Original]

Rance thread #10042

I haven't gotten Shizuka even though Maria just showed up. All walkthrough mentions is that she's supposed to come with Maria. Do I need more NP or what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:46:05 2009 No.3840197 1) She's a somewhat low priority start-of-turn event. It may take some time if the story needs to catch up. 2) She auto-joins regardless of NP 3) You can not clear her

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:46:05 2009 No.3840198 additional characters bonus when starting a new game

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:46:05 2009 No.3840199 >Do I need more NP or what? Yes you need enough NP and space for the unit also event may be delayed by more important route related events

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:46:05 2009 No.3840200 File: 97 KB, 800x600, ALCG0018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] you probably just have some beginning of the turn events in your way

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:47:05 2009 No.3840203 You are on a new game+ with special characters bought, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:10:05 2009 No.3840551 Hmm, I am almost on the end of my 5th and last playthrough, and I am still missing 2 cgs. 28 and 73. One of them is most likely Agireda clear (come on, show up already and get captured), but the other, I have no idea. Any hints?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:21:05 2009 No.3840589 >>3840551 73 is Agireda 28 is Rance and Suzume capturing Iga

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:30:05 2009 No.3840624 >>3840589 Thanks. Wonder how I missed the Iga one... I thought I had him done long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:02:05 2009 No.3840741 File: 16 KB, 192x256, 0166.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't get any music to play when I run Kichikuou Rance. Anyone else run into this problem? What can I do?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:36:05 2009 No.3840897 File: 22 KB, 300x300, Sengoku_Rance_-_Nanjo_Ran.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just finished Rand Route and... WTF?? That's it?? IS the other ending the one she chases after Sounn better /jp/? Does it have any CG because the real end DON'T

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:37:05 2009 No.3840902 >>3840897 Yes. Also, guess which is 'real'.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:39:05 2009 No.3840908 >>3840741 you MUST put the cd image/cd of the game in the first drive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:44:05 2009 No.3840935 >>3840902 None of them, because she's canon dead! Ahaha you're so funny anon! ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:45:05 2009 No.3840943 >>3840902 I see.... it's weird that we need the "fake" ending to unlock the family bonus then...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:47:05 2009 No.3840950 >>3840935 Lol, wait, yeah, that's true

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:53:05 2009 No.3840985 File: 139 KB, 800x600, cg01201.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey, where are the good walkthroughs/FAQs for this game? Alicesoft wiki is confusing and incomplete.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:55:05 2009 No.3841002 >>3840985 There are very few things it does not cover properly (and the frustrating ones you could not find on your own are included). What's your problem?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:58:05 2009 No.3841019 >>3840985 Besides the wiki, /jp/ is literally your only other fallback when it comes to SR advice.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 01:07:05 2009 No.3841078
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>>3841002
I should have been more specific. I'm sure it's fine as a database for info, but it doesn't really (or I haven't found) anything that goes over strategy, tells me who is useful, or goes beyond just saying what everything does.
The game doesn't have tutorials, but it's still easy to figure out how to do stuff and what it means, just not why you should do it or if it's a good idea. If that makes sense.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 01:19:05 2009 No.3841159

>>3841078
If you check their walkthrough to see the unique units per nation and how they react to your actions and the '3d fan in 13 turns and five star monkey' guides, you get an idea of which units matter and how you should organize resources.
After thatm you recruit and experiment.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 01:34:05 2009 No.3841249 just got this game, so do i just go to other territories, fuck shit up and get laid?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 01:37:05 2009 No.3841269 >>3841249 yep

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 01:41:05 2009 No.3841295 Yep, finally went back to see Ran's other ending. Now, that's more like it... it still kinda suck tho... and Rance was a jerk...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:21:05 2009 No.3841412 >>3841002 The wiki is shit. The info is there, but it's poorly organised and actually FINDING what you want to known is fucking hard until you learn where things are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:23:05 2009 No.3841425 >>3841412 The wiki is supposed to supplement the shit you do and lean midgame, not guide you through it and understand it through it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:24:05 2009 No.3841429 Anybody knows how enemy troop scaling works? (or where can I find info on this coz' I can't seem to find it on the wiki)

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:28:05 2009 No.3841443 >>3841429 Exact figures, I do not know. But the game difficulty, NP and your own troop numbers (excluding footmen) determine it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:32:05 2009 No.3841456 >>3841425 This. It's best to think of the alicewiki as supplemental and not something meant to hold your hand.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:35:05 2009 No.3841462 >>3841443 So mass foot soldiers?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:39:05 2009 No.3841476 >>3841462 It would be interesting to try only using foot soldiers. Mori house bonus, dokuganryu bonus, capture tokugawa, and you have a pretty decent set of foot soldiers. Saves a lot on healing costs too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:43:05 2009 No.3841491 >>3841476 I don't think I'd have the heart to give the boot to kenshin, ranmaru, and leila.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:44:05 2009 No.3841494 >>3841491 Ranmaru is mediocre and you can just never recruit the rest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:46:05 2009 No.3841506 >>3841494 ;-;

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 02:48:05 2009 No.3841511 >>3841491 I think Leila counts as a foot soldier. Besides, you probably still need the CG from capturing Naoe Ai after getting Uesugi House to surrender.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 03:34:05 2009 No.3841692

>>3841511
Leila counts as a knight. She raises enemy troop counts.

Also the all-footsoldier 5-star game has been done before on /jp/. They had to do the assassination on Takeda because otherwise their Rance would have been dead meat (not a footsoldier).

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 03:39:05 2009 No.3841711

ok am i doing something wrong cause im like in a stand still in free for all. im using the demon army but i barely have any good commanders. the only special commander i was able to get was the head of the hara group. is there some way to train your soilders to do light attacks or do i just have to randomly steal one. and does the buddha statue do anything or did i just waste a turn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 03:39:05 2009 No.3841714 >>3841692 I don't see why it's a problem to do an assassination (although it probably took a few actions)

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 03:45:05 2009 No.3841729
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>>3841476
I did complete the game using only Ashigaru units.
It was kinda fun, but real slow because of the single usable attack permit. Houjou was a pain too because I couldn't attack their casters (no ranged attacks).
I did stop the entire Takeda blitz just for shits and giggles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 03:50:05 2009 No.3841745 File: 148 KB, 800x600, ashigaruonly47.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3841729 Hrm... no wait, I had to do the assassination. Couldn't win with Rance. Pic related.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:01:05 2009 No.3841775

>>3841711
Lemme give some advice, since I haven't seen any good FFA guides.

You start with the special characters of your House (in demon army's case, you have two acolytes (no gigai ;_;), isunroku, and Keikoku. All of which are really strong, in Demon Army at least. Then you have a bunch of generics, one of which always starts off with Defeated Warrior Hunt. They have randomized stats but tend to be within one or two points of a certain number (Hannies are always between 4 and 6 on their combat stats, and between 2 and 4 actions).

The important thing to remember is that your starting characters have -randomized special abilities-, unless they already had an ability in that slot. If you have a warrior, they may have light attack, side attack, or nothing. You could potentially end up with two Twin Action Kings (if you retry a million times).

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:06:05 2009 No.3841782

>>3841775
Buildings are pretty mediocre in general. I ended up making a free market and hospital then building a lot of buddha statues, which eventually give you options to pick up random(?) items. My first item was the emperor sword. I also ended up with a bunny mask and the sword that gives +100 damage to any unit.

But really, whatever you want should be fine. Monsters tend to be expensive to recruit, though.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:10:05 2009 No.3841795

>>3841782
Since you're guaranteed to start with a unit with Defeated Warrior Hunt, and if you're lucky it's a diviner or a monster with Lightning, you should use that unit in any fight where you want to capture something. Do NOT use any of your heavy hitters to do the last blow - try to just barely go over their troop count with your last attack, or it's very likely they'll be KILL BY DEMONS.

I was confused when I saw Twin Action King and Twin Intelligence King passive skills, but once I captured and recruited two of each they were pretty simple. +1 action fan if you have two twin action kings at the beginning of your turn. If you have two twin intelligence kings, you can click on any House and see what captains they have, their current/max troop count, and stats.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:20:05 2009 No.3841814

>>3841795
Surviving.

This is the hardest part if you're not One Eye House or Shimazu. Basically, it's random which houses go when, or how many times they attack, or who they attack. It's randomized every time you start and every time you end a turn. So when you start, you could be first, or you could have everyone else go (sometimes multiple times) before your first turn.

So what I'm saying is, save before you end any turn. Keep track of how many enemy countries are near you, and don't let yourself be the only one adjacent to any enemy. Do make use of the Neutral Action against stronger opponents like Takeda who are surrounded by other enemies. Let those enemies bleed the big countries dry while you pick off other territories and prepare your troops.

It's possible to get raped if you're not careful. If you have an enemy that's almost dead, it's okay to let them attack your territories. Just don't let another House win a battle in those territories before you defeat the first house, or they'll have two of your castles already and maybe be about to attack again.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:25:05 2009 No.3841826

>>3841814
Conquering territories.

Obviously different Houses will have easier or harder times against specific Houses. As a rule of thumb, it's best to conquer territories that won't open you up to new enemies. For instance, demon army wants to start by taking out shimazu ASAP, instead of going into mouri.

When it's not possible to do this, or when you have a lot of enemies around you from the beginning, use neutral action on your most exposed enemy (the one with the most different houses around them).

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:28:05 2009 No.3841831

pretty much my map is split down the middle with mumashi oil fields as my farthest point to the east. and the rest masamune controls other than kenshin's final place hold by kenshin... and masamune is being a little bitch cause he aint dropping good commanders to me...

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:30:05 2009 No.3841837

>>3841826
Winning.
If you follow the tips for conquering territories, it's fairly easy to win. Just remember that, as usual, enemies will tend to gain troops faster than you. And you don't get any character clears or levelups or anything, so there's no reason not to fire weaker commanders and hire that new generic that has twice your best unit's troop count. It will make a difference.

Over time, you will probably want to stop getting new buddha statues (if you were getting them in the first place) and start replacing your current ones with either hospitals or training areas. It's also not a bad idea to use barricades to automatically stop attacks against your more exposed areas so you can focus on offense later on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:32:05 2009 No.3841844 File: 122 KB, 800x600, map.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3841831 how do u character clear in FFA. i want to upgrade my commanders...

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:32:05 2009 No.3841846

>>3841831
Ah, forgot to mention but in FFA you can't capture unique commanders from their starting House. I'm not sure if that applies to "special generics" like Himiko. Also, Youkai troops in general are pretty weak, so try to focus on capturing/killing their non-youkais.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:43:05 2009 No.3841870 >>3841846 kinda hard when they throw omachi and me and nukes my field. not to mention the endless amount of footmen they have

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:48:05 2009 No.3841887 >>3841844 If I remember correctly, you can't. Commanders often start already upgraded though (look at Isoroku's abilities and stats if you get the chance).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:49:05 2009 No.3841892 >>3841887 Once I got Rance to start with fucking 7s. Quite useful for the first 20 turns.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 04:50:05 2009 No.3841897 File: 118 KB, 800x600, ALCG0000.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3841844 kinda slowpoke up there

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 06:15:05 2009 No.3842212 >>3840741 I didn't had music either when I tried that game. >>3840180 She arrived like a good 10 turns after I got Maria on a beginning of a turn event for me. Had a large amount of story going on first.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 06:33:05 2009 No.3842286 >>3841897 The Orochi is having fun?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 08:00:05 2009 No.3842581 >>3842286 lol'd

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 08:28:05 2009 No.3842658 >>3841897 that house is pretty broken, lots of super generics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:04:05 2009 No.3842777 Damn, the Rance 6 soundtrack is also awesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:10:05 2009 No.3842794 Does completing challenges in ffa do anything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:47:05 2009 No.3842916 How do I lift Motonari's curse, /jp/? I already conquered Takuga and hired all their generals in 3 different runs but the event where Ryouma told Rance about Motonari's curse never seemed to appear

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:50:05 2009 No.3842928

>>3842916
Have motonari issue challenge by being at war and wrecking his shit (with at least two areas , one of them being izumo remaining), accept the challenge, kick his ass( Izumo GET), search for dungeon, purple event appears at Izumo.
Search dungeon, beat enemy at floor 8 or so.
Done.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:51:05 2009 No.3842934 >>3842928 You can also beat Takuga and recruit Ryouma who will tell you in a purple event how to do it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:53:05 2009 No.3842943 >>3842934 You NEED Takuga conqyered and Ryouma recruited for the purple event to appear. Since he has already done so, I did not bother repeating it.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:53:05 2009 No.3842944

It's possible to capture female commanders stolen by Shimazu, right? I keep fighting Shizuka and Leila but they wont capture no matter how many times I try, using defeated warrior hunt and light attack. I'd use sticky ground too but as I said they took Shizuka..

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:56:05 2009 No.3842958 >>3842944 I don't think it's possible, no. You can capture females commanders they have auto-recruited when they assimilate countries.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:57:05 2009 No.3842965 >>3842943 you also need to recruit or free Gon and Jou for the event to appear.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:00:05 2009 No.3842971 >>3842943 Ah, so I have to defeat them in a challenge first. Ok, thanks >>3842934 >>3842928 Yea, lol

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:00:05 2009 No.3842978
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I am on Ran route.

Didn't expect the the Shimazu bros to declare war on me.
Xavier is already wasted. Did I make a mistake in fighting the youkai? Now I am having a 3ways war.
Should I reload my older save and go back to conquering the south?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:01:05 2009 No.3842979 >>3842965 Jou?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:03:05 2009 No.3842993

>>3842958

>I don't think it's possible, no.

Fuck. ;_;

>>3842978

Get rid of Iga, they're stupidly easy. Then just let your permits do the rest and just concentrate on finishing off territories. Shimazu/One Eyed are stupidly easy with 5 permit holders just raping their territories.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:04:05 2009 No.3842994 >>3842978 Yea, maybe you should. Soon Simazhu will absorb Mouri and Takuga + gain all their captains

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:07:05 2009 No.3843009 >>3842993 >>3842994 What? You can get permits on 2nd play through on Ran route? I thought it was True route exclusive only?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:08:05 2009 No.3843011 >>3842978 1 star? You should declare war on Takeda too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:08:05 2009 No.3843012 >>3843009 You get permits after the temple events and having certain troop numbers. And you should always purchase permits as a bonus if possible.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:12:05 2009 No.3843023
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>>3843011
>>3843012
Yeah 1star.
Well still no permits even with troops over 1k.
I only have 5points when I started the 2nd game so I didn't get bonus.
Guess I will reload the older save and go for the mouri/takada.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:19:05 2009 No.3843046 >>3843023 >Shibata 2447 troops You really should give the popularity staff to someone else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:21:05 2009 No.3843061 >>3843046 No popularity staff. Char cleared him and he absorbed Kouhime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:23:07 2009 No.3843068 >>3840176 stop spamming and ddosing ＡｎｏｎＴａｌｋ .com also stop trolling and harassing us and remove all clones and troll articles and lies and leave us alone if u do this well stop posting these msgs forever

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:26:05 2009 No.3843083 How is it that in these screencaps you always have absurd amounts of gold? I always have near zero gold. What am I doing wrong?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:27:05 2009 No.3843088 File: 119 KB, 800x600, ALCG0008.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3842658 How about this one? also nice cost/power ratio

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:29:05 2009 No.3843094

>>3843083

Stop wasting it. Keep your gold above 50k and have one character with Asset tech and maybe another with Merchant, this will maximize your income. You can also use the footsoldier Loot attack for an extra thousand gold or so a fight.

>>3843061

Fair enough, just seemed like an abnormal amount for a mediocre unit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:29:07 2009 No.3843093 >>3840179 stop spamming and ddosing ＡｎｏｎＴａｌｋ .com also stop trolling and harassing us and remove all clones and troll articles and lies and leave us alone if u do this well stop posting these msgs forever

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:30:05 2009 No.3843099
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And my fastest one (didn't play shimazu yet)

>>3843083
In normal routes it is pointless to recruit more troops, because enemy's troops size scale to the size of your army. In FFA it's different though.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:31:05 2009 No.3843104

>>3843083
Getting 3action fan is important as well.
Always fight with foot soilder and make them take the hit. 1g replenishment is the key.
Senhime/Rance/Yuzuhura frontline is broken as hell.
Hardly any troop loss.
Yuzuhara snipe and kill one guy, rance attack and senhime guard all.
Your backline can rape the rest with bows, miko storm and shikigami.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:33:05 2009 No.3843113 >>3843094 The only troop that I would spend my money on would be Yuzuhara. She is broken as well.

>>	Tangent !Senna.M1Z6 Thu Dec 3 11:03:05 2009 No.3843234 File: 133 KB, 800x600, ALCG0001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3843099 Pfft. I could have shaved at least four or five turns off this one too if I hadn't bothered building something in every single territory.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 11:33:05 2009 No.3843373 Any brave soul won ffa with akashi yet?

Nanaya !yrBrqfF1Ew Thu Dec 3 11:43:05 2009 No.3843420

>>3843099
Now that I think of it..

Instead of sitting around with 200k+, wouldn't it be better to spend it on foot soldiers? seeing as they don't increase the multiplier... I knew that already but I never thought of using it to my advantage like that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:03:05 2009 No.3843529 >>3843099 you mean there'sno scaling in ffa?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:43:05 2009 No.3843691
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>>3843529

As far as I observed, there is no scaling. AI can run out of money the same way a player can. They only have better starting position, but during the game they play on the same rules as player (or similar).

^ last battle with dokuganryuu, if there was any scaling, their troops would have to be like 9999 everything

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:04:05 2009 No.3843783 >>3843691 Keikoku is an actual unit huh?

>>	Suigin !YUsuiginy. Thu Dec 3 13:10:05 2009 No.3843815 When I select to fight as the Demon Army in FFA the game freezes. Tips n' tricks anyone?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:12:05 2009 No.3843824 >>3843815 Return to title, and start again. For me it's usually once every 4-5 tries the game does not freeze there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:18:05 2009 No.3843841 >>3843815 >>3843824 Yeah same, FFA tends to get stuck for no apparant reason when starting a new one. Restart the game and try again

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:26:05 2009 No.3843878 So I just beat Rance for the first time and want to go in and play through the Ran or Kenshin route. I have 19 points to spend. I plan to get the +1 action fan. After that I'm not so sure. Should I get an additional unit or 10000 gold?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:27:05 2009 No.3843884 >>3843878 bastard. my first play was 0.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:28:05 2009 No.3843887 Okay guys, on my second playthrough now, but I didn't get my battle permits. I'm long past turn 60, and have both foot soldiers and warriors with over 1000 units each. Anyone who knows the reason?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:31:05 2009 No.3843899

>>3843884

I went to turn 104, I just had a ton of character clears, every generic I remembered to put it on had End Game Points, and Agireda had 4000 troops to put me over 30000...

I'm just mad I didn't have time to conquer Dokuganryuu before the Demon Army cunts showed up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:32:05 2009 No.3843906 >>3843878 Definitely a new unit. I took the diviner, and her shikigami helped a friggin LOT (easily killed all opponents in early games). She can also cast guard shikigami on everyone, and I bet the other characters have as good starting abilities.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:34:05 2009 No.3843922 >>3843906 Yeah, I had the diviner from the Mino Three the entire game. He, Natori, and Fuuka were my magic rape machines, and won me a lot of fights I should've lost.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 13:37:05 2009 No.3843927 >>3843887 I think you never get them in some routes, I always buy them from points so it doesn't matter anyways for me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 14:43:05 2009 No.3843971 Rance on the true route, asshole on occasions Rance on kenshin's route, less asshole then on other routes (due to kenshin's good influence I guess) Rance on Ran's route, complete asshole.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 14:47:05 2009 No.3843991

>>3843878

Grab the action fan, Elina and a -damage item if you can afford it. She'll be a one man army that can basically take over territories by herself at the start of the game. She's still useful in the endgame too for shielding units and doing some decent shikigami damage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 14:50:05 2009 No.3844013 >>3843991 I was thinking Action Fan, Elina, and a couple of textbooks. I could not get those damned things in my last run, while I was drowning in +damage items.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 14:55:05 2009 No.3844030 >>3844013 Only get the books as an extra if you have the points. Elina needs a -damage item in order to succeed in her solo rape which she is so great at doing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 14:56:05 2009 No.3844032 Okay, exactly how long does it take before Xavier gathers the emperor item or whatever needed for the Kenshin route? And does this have to happen before he gathers the five shards?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 14:56:05 2009 No.3844033 >>3844030 With the fan and Elina, I'll have 4 points left. I'll have to check if that'll let me get a damage reduction item.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:06:05 2009 No.3844067 >>3844033 Pain point removing helm is only 2 points. That'll let you get something else of value too like Rance's love.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:17:05 2009 No.3844126 Also, is it worth the pain in the ass to try and get Seigan?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:21:05 2009 No.3844142 >>3844033 Guard paper. Should always have this on your main diviner.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:22:05 2009 No.3844149

>>3844126
From my experience, no. When I tried to get him on my Ran route, he dragged me down a good 5-10 turns due to riots and having to defend against them. And on top of that, after I went through all the trouble, Seigan is such a low priority recruitment that he didn't even have time to join by the time I finished.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:23:05 2009 No.3844155 >>3844126 For a first game, yeah. For later runs, I'd only bother with him if you need to finish the progress report or you're considering Orochi (5 levels for Rance upon Seigan's clear).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:24:05 2009 No.3844157 >>3844149 >trying to get Seigan in the Ran route There's your problem.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:28:05 2009 No.3844175 >>3844157 How's that the problem? According to the wiki, he's still able to be recruited during her route.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:30:05 2009 No.3844182 >>3844175 Except he isn't since the Demon Army never appears.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:37:05 2009 No.3844215

>>3844175
http://alicesoft.wikia.com/wiki/Sengoku_Rance:Walkthrough says
>He will not join you in the Ran IF route

Anyway, I personally can't be bothered to keep Tenshi alive for the 20+ additional turns in a normal playthrough needed to recruit him. Maybe if you're going to feed the monkey...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:52:05 2009 No.3844309 >>3844215 Seigan is not recruitable in both Ran and Monkey routes, as the Demon Army (and the sole reason for Seigan to fight) never appears.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 16:31:05 2009 No.3844544 Riots are so painfully easy to deal with though. Every single shitty unit that you might have can deal with 1000 peasants.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 16:54:05 2009 No.3844666 File: 273 KB, 594x794, 1738828.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is now a sill appreciation thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:00:05 2009 No.3844710 Is it wrong that I haven't fapped to the cg scenes yet? My priority is to keep on playing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:03:05 2009 No.3844726 >>3844710 You're a more resilient man than I, anon. I always get distracted by the h-scenes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:41:05 2009 No.3844948 >>3844710 Same here anon Much irony actually. I've fapped way way less these past days, after I started playing sengoku rance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:44:05 2009 No.3844961 >>3844666 Poor Sill. She gets no appreciation, apparently.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:47:05 2009 No.3844974 File: 61 KB, 640x480, cnt_01s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3844961 Yeah poor girl Anon is being Ice cold toward her.

>>	Anonymous ‮～ᚻᛟᛟᛟᛟᚩᛗ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Thu Dec 3 17:49:05 2009 No.3844983 >>3844974 That was just plain bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:51:05 2009 No.3844992 File: 106 KB, 640x480, 5557121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3844983 >That was just plain bad. >plain Oh anon, I see what you did there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:53:05 2009 No.3845004 >>3844710 Rance has great CGs, but the scenes are way too funny to be hot. The music is too ridiculous to be etoric.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:54:05 2009 No.3845013 >>3844992 how silly of you!

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:57:05 2009 No.3845025

>>3845004
Which is the only reason I play it.

Seriously, I tried a few visual novels, tactical RPGs, etc but I ended up quitting because they ALL ended up being WALLOFTEXT and "SILLY PLAYER, YOU CAN'T TAKE DECISIONS ON YOUR OWN, NOW SAVE THIS GIRL DESPITE WE HAVING YOU GIVEN THE OPTION TO IGNORE HER"

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:59:05 2009 No.3845034 >>3845004 but the scenes are way too funny to be hot. No way, there are some really hot scenes. But most of the scenes fall under the category of "awesome". My Glorious Days is the best (sexual) conquest theme ever.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 17:59:05 2009 No.3845035

How can I suck less ?

I can't seem to have more than one unit (other than Kouhime) with 1000 troop when the demon army show up, I also can't conquer tokugawa or the miko institute before Tenshi declare war (especially Tokugawa, that last battle is just too hard) Fuck man, I'm fucking bad, been my 3 retry and I still suck. Also I can't grab the patch 1.40, is it bad ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:02:05 2009 No.3845046 >>3844544 Every single shitty unit that you might have can deal with 1000 peasants. Asihkaga >>3844710 I've only enjoyed Suzume's and Isoroku's.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:03:05 2009 No.3845052 >>3845035 What do you usually do in the first 50 turns? Also, post your commander list.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:04:05 2009 No.3845056

>>3845035
You just need to see the miko's 2 times before you get the option of warfare on the miko institute. Though i'm not sure if that's the same on the first playthrough.

>>3845034
>My Glorious Days is the best (sexual) conquest theme ever.
This.
I had the rance ost in my playlist when I was messing around with 3d custom girl... of course, my glorious days just happened to start playing at that moment. I lol'd outloud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:06:05 2009 No.3845060 >>3841729 why Maeda Keiji looks different?!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:07:05 2009 No.3845065 File: 74 KB, 474x600, 4849855.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3844710 >>3845046 Just the consensual kenshin scenes for me. >>3845013 Nyohohoho I wish I had more terrible pun's

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:07:05 2009 No.3845067 >>3845052 I just deleted my save (again) so I can't really show my commander. My real problem is with battle, I can't win quickly

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:08:05 2009 No.3845071 >>3841729 >>3845060 I'm guessing that's how he looks after you make him a kaboki actor? (What does that do anyway?)

>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Thu Dec 3 18:09:05 2009 No.3845074 File: 256 KB, 1082x1600, suzumesmall.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3845065 What's that? A Suzume appears?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:14:05 2009 No.3845097 File: 83 KB, 444x400, 1907384.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3845074 Japanese sparrow cooking spaget.... Wait.. that one was terrible. As in, really terrible.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:15:05 2009 No.3845101

fun game but holy shit am I bad at it.

By the time demon Army show up i only conquered Hara, Ashikaga, Arai Uesugi and Tanishaga or the other one.

And then I usually give up because I have almost no commander with 1000 unit to use the you-know-what (can't remember what it is, fuck me).

This is getting frustrating.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:16:05 2009 No.3845102 File: 609 KB, 1126x1600, [SaHa] Sengoku de Pon 01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh them delicious Suzume boobs. Rance has a fine taste i'd say.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:19:05 2009 No.3845112

>>3845067
Don't worry too much about troop counts; you can win without buying troops almost at all.
As for tips, a good diviner will single handedly win battles, but you probably won't get a good one your first playthrough.
Failing that, mikos, especially Natori (so conquer the institute for her.)
Don't bother with archers except for Isoroku, and really only if you train her special shots.
Use footsoldiers as a damage sponge rather than attacking with them.
You don't need to annihilate the enemy, a win with the gauge just barely on your side is as good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:20:05 2009 No.3845115 >>3845067 >>3845101 Diviners/Mikos for AoE = lots of Battle Rating. Giving some of your characters the ability "Initial Battle Rating" is also a bliss.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:21:05 2009 No.3845120
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>>3845056
Isn't My Glorious days just the East German anthem?

Does that imply Rance is german (and therefore is the only dirty foreigner allowed to fuck JAPANese women)?

Map related (in fact, if I knew how to hack the game I'd put in the East German Anthem substituting the theme or substituting the battle music).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:21:05 2009 No.3845121 >>3845112 Failing that, mikos, especially Natori (so conquer the institute for her.) I disagree; other than Natori and Chinu (for the limited time you have her), there are no other mikos worth fielding.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:22:05 2009 No.3845122

>>3845101

Do what I did.

Wait until you run out of non-gourd houses to conquer to conquer your fifth gourd holding house.

That let me conquer everyone except Takuga, Takeda, Mouri, Shimazu, Iga and Dokuganryuu by the time the demon army showed... Hojo and Tanegashima having been conquered by Takeda and Mouri respectively.

I then had time to conquer Iga, takeda and most of Takuga(FUCK YOU GON) by the time the Demon Army showed.

Then again, I also beat the hell out of the Shimazu Brothers and their puny little blitz... so yeah.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:22:05 2009 No.3845125 >>3845101 Also, spend your satisfaction bonuses on reinforcements whenever you get the chance, Maria and Leila from Leazus and Uruza from Zeth are really good. The mages are okay, but a bit slow and you have to train their good moves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:23:05 2009 No.3845131 >>3845112 Any good footsoldier I should get asap ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:23:05 2009 No.3845134 >>3845121 Fuuka is okay for a while, I'd rather field her than Niwa for instance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:24:05 2009 No.3845142 Question guys: Exactly what does the "Battle Field Effect" do concretely?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:24:05 2009 No.3845143 Also, if troop counts make your penis feel bigger, make sure you capture Agireda if you can.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:24:05 2009 No.3845144 File: 114 KB, 478x600, DDR-RANCE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3845120 Oh hi, I fix'd your Rance.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:26:05 2009 No.3845156

>>3845131

The Kuge sister you can get isn't bad early in the game, since she comes with a relatively large unit(600s), but is rather lackluster later in the game.

Snagging the Mino 3 isn't a bad idea either, so you can get the little monk girl from a satisfaction bonus. And one of them's a diviner too. The other two you can get rid of after you get her.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:27:05 2009 No.3845162

>>3845125

For the most part, Leazus has the best reinforcements; Kanami is the best unit to use for a ninja battle permit, Maria gives enough SAT to make up for her call, as well as being one of the few units capable of destroying a single unit without assassinate, Leila has a great unique ability. Compare that with Zeth and Rizna is only good against Demon Army (which is good for a first run), Uruza is just good period, and Magic is kind of meh due to how slow she is, though WDB and Rance's Love are always a plus to have.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:29:05 2009 No.3845171 >>3845134 Niwa is faster, does more damage, is cheaper to raise, and has Fallen Warrior Hunt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:29:05 2009 No.3845174 >>3845131 Kuge Kiyoko. Senhime from conquering Tokugawa. The sleepy raccoon there isn't terrible either. The others worth getting come a fair bit later, from One-eyed, Shimazu, Takuga, or Mori.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:33:05 2009 No.3845198 >>3845171 10% against all enemy units > the pittance Niwa does. Especially on higher difficulties.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:34:05 2009 No.3845199

>>3845174

Tokugawa is a pain in the ass to fight, I can't conquer him when he's at full strenght so I usually focus on defending and capturing and then, bam Tenshi declare war or I redo all my defense fight without capturing his various racoon. Shit is making me mad

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:34:05 2009 No.3845200 >>3845171 Quick question. Does Fallen Warrior Hunt require the unit with it to make the final hit, or will it work as long as they're there?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:34:05 2009 No.3845204

I'm so pissed off right now. No matter how many turns go by Kousaka Yoshikage won't join anyone.
I'm at war with Useugi and Houjou. Houjou has 2 territories, but at this point the only fucking thing that comes on that stupid bar is "Masako, Masako popular". I DONT EVEN KNOW WTF THAT MEANS! All either of the the two do is hire some bullshit generic troops.
Is there anything I can do guys? This is driving me mad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:36:05 2009 No.3845208 >>3845200 As long as they're there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:37:05 2009 No.3845214 >>3845199 I had to restart my game once cause no matter what I did I couldn't beat those fuckin coons. I got Natori first, and then they weren't much trouble.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:37:05 2009 No.3845215 >>3845204 Not much you can do but wait. Sure he didn't get picked up by another country you aren't at war with?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:39:05 2009 No.3845226 >>3845214 Natori + Fuuka + a decent diviner is basically an I WIN button for most fights.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:40:05 2009 No.3845227 >>3845215 Yes, positive. And even if he was I'd have seen him in a fight by now. God dammit...Would giving them more territory help?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:43:05 2009 No.3845243

>>3845226
Omachi too. Early in the game, her stats are high enough that no one can even damage her. Even later, just throw in a foot soldier to guard her and just use Large Lightning. Instant win.

I also gave Senhime the 5000 troops item and texts to make up the -2 in stats. She's invincible. Her alone can take out almost anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:45:05 2009 No.3845255 >>3845243 I had that happen with Agireda, oddly enough. At around 5k troops(really easy to get with her) nothing was a threat anymore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:45:05 2009 No.3845260 Too boost Natori damage should I use int or attack book ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:47:05 2009 No.3845271 >>3845260 Miko Storm is å fixed 30%, her bow attack uses ATK.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 18:54:05 2009 No.3845312 >>3845271 What does Int do anyway? The best I can seem to tell is that it's magic defense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:01:05 2009 No.3845347 Which fifth gourd country is it better to stay at war with ? Iga or Asai ? I'd say Asai since they don't auto declare war on you a little while after Tenshi...

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:03:05 2009 No.3845353

>>3845162
Leazus easily by far has the best reinforcements. Kanami is decent (but best used for permits) Maria is an absolutely awesome backrow unit and if you talk with her a bit you can get Kazumi as well. Leila is a really good frontliner as well. Not to mention you also need Maria to get Shizuka(sticky ground+defeated warrior hunt = godtier in capturing rate and white destruction aint so bad either)
Zeth on the other hand get's a 'meh' mage (and no, the cutter works like shit, hardly noticable damage increase against monsters... 0.5x damage on a unit that already does shitty damage to begin with). Uruza is a pretty decent dungeon commander but for troop battles I think Ai is a better unit. Magic is just as meh as Rizna

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:14:05 2009 No.3845396 >>3845347 Do you mean Akashi? Asai-Asakura doesn't have a gourd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:16:05 2009 No.3845407 >>3845396 fuck me, forget I said anything. Iga is probably best since they don't really get out of hand, but they force me to one attack by turn due to constant meddling in my invasion. fuckers

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:18:05 2009 No.3845415 >>3845407 By the time you're to the point that Iga auto-declares war on you, you should have enough troops to keep up two attacks a turn and still defend twice against Akashi. Iga and Akashi are both stocked with giant pansies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:22:05 2009 No.3845421 >>3845415 why have 2 gourd country at war ? It buys more time ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:25:05 2009 No.3845431 >>3845421 I did it so I could control when the last gourd broke. That and Iga was a bunch of cunts who auto-declared on me as I was finishing off Imagawa and after I'd declared war on Akashi.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:34:05 2009 No.3845458 File: 992 KB, 1448x1998, 1077839.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WHO WANTS WAR HUH?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:35:05 2009 No.3845460 are the miko three worth the turn wasted to get them early game ?

>>	Anonymous ‮～ᚻᛟᛟᛟᛟᚩᛗ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Thu Dec 3 19:37:05 2009 No.3845467 >>3845460 If you mean the Mino three, no, not really.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:42:05 2009 No.3845476 >>3845460 The diviner's not bad, and the monk you can get as a sat bonus if you recruit all three is pretty good, but otherwise, no.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:44:05 2009 No.3845487 File: 855 KB, 799x597, Aburako.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3845460 The Mino Three are a necessary sacrifice to call forth Aburako.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:48:05 2009 No.3845509 >>3845487 She come with that many monks ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:50:05 2009 No.3845516 >>3845509 And decent stats. And youkai ward. Convert Action 1 as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:50:05 2009 No.3845518 >>3845509 Varies with our army size, but she tends to come with around 600-800.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:53:05 2009 No.3845528 The additional starting character monk is the only monk i'll need. That dude is all kinds of awesome

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 19:55:05 2009 No.3845534 >>3845528 Himiko motherfucker, comes with 3 sevens

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Thu Dec 3 20:04:05 2009 No.3845574
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>>3845458

Go forth, kill men by the thousands, drink their blood and eat their brains from their skulls while howling to the moon in unholy orgasmic pleasure?

Got to love her.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:17:05 2009 No.3845636 >>3845534 Yeah I recruited her as well but found myself using the farmer dude more because of youkai ward. Himiko doesn't start out with that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:27:05 2009 No.3845674 So uh, how long will it take for the Takeda Generals to be recruited so I can capture them Done 50-60 turns and Takuga hasn't recrutied a single one even though I am at war with them and raid them once in a while to thin out the generics

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:32:05 2009 No.3845716

>>3845674
I'm the guy who's having problems getting Yoshikage.

They don't just join countries you're warring with. You have to look at the bar each turn to know who they join. And it's completely random. Good luck. Hopefully you won't go through what I am waiting on Yoshikage

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:34:05 2009 No.3845731 >>3845716 There is only one country they CAN join Unless they can join one-eye, but I don't think one-eye recruits human commanders

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:48:05 2009 No.3845786 >>3845731 you did block a compete blitz and then assasinated shingen right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:55:05 2009 No.3845809 Hearing all that shit about the troubles about recruiting the takeda captains made me decide I Can live without those middle aged war veterans... It's not like i'm missing out on kinky H-scenes... right...?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:01:05 2009 No.3845825

>>3845198 10% on higher difficulties

Late reply is late but I was trying to explain why Niwa is better than Fuuka on a first run, not a 2/5 star run.

>>3845312

Int is used for magic attacks (diviners and mages) , magical defense (all units), and foot soldier/Leila Ally Guard.

>>3845731

If there is only one human country left, it may take a while. I've gotten them within 50 turns but I know some people who had to wait 200+ turns.

Tangent !Senna.M1Z6 Thu Dec 3 21:02:05 2009 No.3845826

>>3845809
You won't get to ride the roller coaster in Baba's lap.

But in all honesty, they're the best overally family of units in the game. Great stats, full compliment of starting abilities, awesome skill. You can practically solo routes on Normal using just them. Yamagata with the -100 armor is untouchable until units with decent stats hit 1500 troops or so.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:04:05 2009 No.3845838

>>3845809

No, but you're missing out on THE BEST HOUSE BONUS in the game. Their only real weaknesses are:

1) No SAT bonuses
2) No End-Game Points

Other than that, you get 4 commanders with godly stats, both in army and commander battles, that are easily cleared (in terms of Affection points and how soon you get access to their lands for their interactions).

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:18:05 2009 No.3845888

>Int is used for magic attacks (diviners and mages) , magical defense (all units), and foot soldier/Leila Ally Guard.
So That explains why some footsoldiers get more % when activating ally guard. Now it finally makes sense.

>>3845826
>>3845838
I can only imagine you'd want to use them for a 3,4 or 5 star run or something. They would just make the game boringly easy otherwise.

>>	Tangent !Senna.M1Z6 Thu Dec 3 21:20:05 2009 No.3845896 >>3845888 Wholesale genocide at the hands of one man riding two birds is never boring.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:25:05 2009 No.3845917 >>3845896 Alright, good point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:27:05 2009 No.3845925 >>3845888 They are great for serious point-runs.

>>	博麗　霊夢 !1rAyMooPLc Thu Dec 3 21:30:05 2009 No.3845936 Does Shizuka get an H-scene?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:34:05 2009 No.3845959 >>3845936 Really? You couldn't read past the first post?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:43:05 2009 No.3845994 what's the best route for getting the Takeda bonus?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:03:05 2009 No.3846057 >>3845994 Ran or Monkey route.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:06:05 2009 No.3846068 Hey there Rance/General, what are the conditions to raise Rance's action points from 3 to 4, using sat bonus?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:09:05 2009 No.3846073 >>3846068 Yes, but after you've given him Elite Troops.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:45:05 2009 No.3846169 Did Genri fuck Sill at one point?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:52:05 2009 No.3846205 Hey, what commanders get Counterattack 2? I know Teru and the elder Shimazu have it, but I want Senhime, Katsuie or Toshii to get it. Possible?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 23:21:05 2009 No.3846397

>>3845199
>Tokugawa is a pain in the ass to fight, I can't conquer him when he's at full strenght so I usually focus on defending and capturing and then, bam Tenshi declare war or I redo all my defense fight without capturing his various racoon.

It's very easy to bleed Tokugawa dry, since Ieyasu is an idiot or something. By the time I conquered him, he had 4 commanders and a whopping 320 total troops to defend his final castle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 23:43:05 2009 No.3846533 >>3846068 I think you need to do that think where you give him elite troops.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 23:47:05 2009 No.3846551 >>3846397 I think you were lucky, the game almost always scale the troop back. Maybe I should just mass foot soldier.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:00:05 2009 No.3846628

>>3846551
>I think you were lucky, the game almost always scale the troop back.

No, it's a matter of how frequently you get attacked and attack.

Tokugawa loved to attack me twice each turn, and threw its best commanders at me fairly frequently. With high capture/kill rates and completely wiping them out each turn, that weakens them considerably.

Houses with a lot of territories tend to lose troops a lot faster if you can successfully conquer their territories and defend against them twice.

Dokuganryuu is a great example. Every time I conquered a territory in Dokuganryuu, I'd get attacked full force twice in a turn. Killing everything like that, Dokuganryuu had less than half its troops before I even got halfway through Oshuu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:04:05 2009 No.3846640 >>3846628 I see, I'll test that, maybe I can finally conquer Tokugawa before Tenshi attack

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:14:05 2009 No.3846681

>>3845731
>There is only one country they CAN join

This is your problem.

Ideally for getting the Takeda bonus you want to kill as FEW countries as possible. Every dead country means more commanders in the pool for hire, reducing the chances of the Takedas getting randomly picked. It also means fewer countries hiring, hence the pool gets used up slower. Leaving one country alive is basically the slowest possible way of getting the Takedas.

You should also be at war with as many countries as you can comfortably handle ( should be three, maybe four depending on your army), and turn off your permits so that you fight every battle. Aim for kills instead of captures, so leave your prison full.

>>	Tangent !Senna.M1Z6 Fri Dec 4 00:17:05 2009 No.3846705 >>3846681 I picked up all of Takeda in about 30 turns by leaving Iga, Akashi, and Tenshiism alive in a Monkey Kill game. Aside from the ninjas being annoying, that made it easy to constantly slaughter their captains.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:49:05 2009 No.3846900
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i have a doubt. i'm trying to enter into the ran route.
- I conquered Houjou (sounn went to the mamushi dungeon, and i have ran prisoner)
but the next turn, (when i'm going to search for sounn) , the 5th gourd is broken and kouhime is captured. and when i entered the mamushi dungeon, and find sounn in the final Ran attack the ogre with Susaku and then explodes , is this allright? i think i missed entering the route

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:51:05 2009 No.3846915 So I just finally made the game work. What should I do to not get slaugthered fast ? Any newcomer tips ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:53:05 2009 No.3846922 >>3846915 in your first game do what you want, explore the game and learn. http://alicesoft.wikia.com/wiki/Sengoku_Rance

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:55:05 2009 No.3846935 >>3846900 yeah you messed up as you have to go in before the 5th gourd breaks

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:57:05 2009 No.3846945

>>3846900

Why the hell did you conquer Iga?

You should have left Iga alone, then conquered Houjou. Once the fifth gourd breaks Ran Route isn't possible. No route is possible except True and Isoroku.

Go back and not conquer your last gourd country, then take over Houjou again. Tackle the mamushi dungeon before the gourds break and you'll be set for Ran.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:58:05 2009 No.3846958 >>3846935 damn... thanks , i'll try searching in my old save games

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:00:05 2009 No.3846973 Is there any benefit to vassal country ?

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:03:05 2009 No.3846984

So, I'm about to beat Kenshin route. It was supposed to be an awesome route, and some awesome things did happen, but I got a bad taste because I blocked Takeda's blitz and had to wait 20 turns to exhaust all the high priority events before I could assassinate Shingen. And in the process, I lost assloads of units and territory.

I'll start Ran's route after this, but I'm a bit disappointed...I already did Monkey Kill and accomplished most of the clears (Mouri, Akashi, Tanegashima, Miko, Takeda, Hara, Ashikaga) but I was hoping there would be secret routes or something. Apparently there's not.

So, basically, once I've cleared all the routes there's nothing left to do?

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:04:05 2009 No.3846989

>>3846973

Sometimes you get interactions you normally wouldn't get.

There is definitely benefits to vassaling Tokugawa, especially since you can conquer it later with the right commander, but otherwise it's not recommended unless you are getting raped.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:16:05 2009 No.3847042

>>3846169 Did Genri fuck Sill at one point?

No but they met in one of the older Rance games, though Rance doesn't know this since Sill was pretending to be a costumed vigilante.

>>3846984

Clearing the progress report and trying to get the events that didn't pop up in your first run-throughs (think it's mentioned that there are 1000 events or so and most people only encounter 1/4 of them after doing all of the routes).

>>3846973

Depends on the nation.

Tenshi lets you get Seigan and Genri if in a Demon Army route; Tokugawa lets you get the -30% damage charm, as well as conquering Tokugawa without much fighting (though you lose your chance to get Senhime/Ieyasu); Asai-Asakura prevents Yuki from forcing someone to declare auto-war on you; Uesegi allows you to get a CG related to Naoe Ai that isn't accessible otherwise.

The only other noteworthy thing is that allying with Tanegashima and Akashi/Tenshi lets you build a wall against Mouri and Shimazu/Demon Army that they can't attack.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:16:05 2009 No.3847045 >>3846989 but does it give you gold/National power as well ? Also what commander is required to conquer vassalised Tokugawa ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:26:05 2009 No.3847093 >>3847045 >but does it give you gold/National power as well No >Also what commander is required to conquer vassalised Tokugawa ? Ikkyu

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:27:05 2009 No.3847098 >>3847045 The special event is if you have Ikkyu in your party. Ikkyu allows you to backstab Ieyasu and take control of Tokugawa after vassaling it, but you don't get Tokugawa or Sen, so I wouldn't recommend it for a serious play through game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:27:05 2009 No.3847103 >>3847093 Speaking of Ikkyu, the wiki said you can only use his power 3 times. Is this true? I'm sure I've used it more than three times...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:28:05 2009 No.3847109 >>3847103 You haven't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:31:05 2009 No.3847124 >>3847103 what his abillity ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:34:05 2009 No.3847138 >>3847124 The Witty Comeback. It inverts the status of the battle (if you're losing really bad, you immediately start winning).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:36:05 2009 No.3847154 >>3847138 ...now that could be very useful for some early battle

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:41:05 2009 No.3847173 >>3847154 Use it for easymode castle sieges.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:45:05 2009 No.3847190 >>3847173 Is it a auto move or does it take prep time ? (I don't really want to waste time and figure it out the hard way)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:54:05 2009 No.3847229 >>3847190 It has prep time (which makes it hard to time, IMO)

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:56:05 2009 No.3847243

>>3847154
lol @ wasting Witty Comeback on early battles.

Save it for tough fights that you don't tihnk you can win otherwise. For instance, one of the battles of the takeda blitz. Because you only get three uses of Witty Comeback before Ikkyu is just another weak tactician.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 02:04:05 2009 No.3847281 >>3847243 It can help for your first playthrough in establishing a good foothold quickly

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 02:22:05 2009 No.3847375 How to I get Kojika? I'm on my third playthrough and new events started appearing. Kojika managed to lose her subordinates and was held up in Akaheru with Mouri. Now I beat Mouri and Rance raped Kojika, is there another event later?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 02:23:05 2009 No.3847378 if u got the H scene with kojika and rance. then the next turn there should be a purple event to recruit her if not the same turn. just click on one of the mouri's land.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 02:33:05 2009 No.3847438 Gotcha. Man, Kiku is so cute in her H scene. :3

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 04:00:05 2009 No.3847712 If I get 30 points in one run, and 60 points in one run, would I have 90 bonus points? Or would it be the highest value, which would be 60?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 04:07:05 2009 No.3847732 >>3847712 highest value (which is 60)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 04:17:05 2009 No.3847755 I feel sorry for you guys trying to get the Takeda bonus. Since it only took me around 60 turns. Yeah, that's some luck, right? Takeda bonus is fucking awesome. It's definitely worth it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 04:21:05 2009 No.3847767 >>3847755 It wasn't so bad for me, because I was going for Mouri bonus at the same time. And then I accidentally cleared Motonari before realizing that I couldn't get the bonus ;_;

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 04:30:05 2009 No.3847784 >>3847767 enjoy your shitty single unit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 06:12:05 2009 No.3848136 Rance02 Opening http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/ze8996405

>>	Nanaya !yrBrqfF1Ew Fri Dec 4 06:16:05 2009 No.3848151 I'm pretty much doing a run that will defeat Orochi and at the same time get One-eyed, Takeda's, and Mouri's house bonus I have no access to Seigan or Kentarou as it is kill the monkey route. Should I still attempt to kill Orochi?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 06:30:05 2009 No.3848206 I just realised that Ran's route is a terrible route if you are trying to get points as well... also, thread has almost reached bump limit. Which makes it an other succesful rance thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 06:35:05 2009 No.3848226 File: 32 KB, 430x210, itshere.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Seriously, after that last thread I was expecting something terrible. This was just mildly amusing at best.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 06:35:05 2009 No.3848227 >>3848136 I find it a little... bland...

>>	insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Fri Dec 4 06:39:05 2009 No.3848242 >>3848227 Bland? That was a terrible intro movie.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 06:52:05 2009 No.3848273 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6052345

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 07:06:05 2009 No.3848305 >>3848273 Terrible indeed... >>3848242 LOL, now that's not bland!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 07:19:05 2009 No.3848322 >>3848206 Ran route is one of the two best routes for points; it's easy even on higher difficulty levels and you don't need to conquer much, or deal with the Demon Army at all.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 08:07:54 2009 No.3848458
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>>3848322
I just finished it and had the highest score I got so far. So yeah, I take back that statement
It just seemed that way because a lot of events just happen at the start of a new turn. Whereas in other routes the speed at which events occure depend more on how much action fans you put in it.

I fucking cheered at this scene. Rance got what he deserved this route.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 11:10:05 2009 No.3848925 I'm german and I love My glorious days, but people give me strange looks when I'm humming it...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 12:03:05 2009 No.3849110 >>3847784 implying Ghost Motonari isn't one of the best captains for dungeons

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