Is 4chan democratic or republican. Post your views?

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:15:27 2009 No.3840088 [SPOILER]

Is 4chan democratic or republican.

Post your views?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:17:27 2009 No.3840093 atheist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:17:27 2009 No.3840095 Libertarian.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:18:27 2009 No.3840101 anarchist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:19:27 2009 No.3840102 File: 218 KB, 600x718, toeto_punchiki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3840088 Conservative, because they try to promote abstinence and purity in young girls. also, shit thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:19:27 2009 No.3840103 Whimsically indifferent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:19:27 2009 No.3840104 File: 66 KB, 1280x720, moshi moshi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't care for political parties. I'm a Lutheran, though

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:19:27 2009 No.3840105 >>3840088 Liberal Libertarian... Wait, what the fuck does this have to do with /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:19:27 2009 No.3840106 >>3840095 Referring to the Pot-Smoking Republican party?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:19:27 2009 No.3840108 I really don't want to think about your shitty political views while talking about touhous with you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:20:27 2009 No.3840110 4chan is an antheistic, anarchistic, legion >.>

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:20:27 2009 No.3840114 >>3840104 +1

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:22:27 2009 No.3840117 Liberal secular humanist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:22:27 2009 No.3840119 >>3840105 only everything. im mostly in the middle but slightly leaning toward democrat

>>	Harblong Cassidy !KzfKdB2Xmc Wed Dec 2 21:24:27 2009 No.3840123 Socially and fiscally liberal is the only way to do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:24:27 2009 No.3840124 Where's the fucking janitor when you need him?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:25:27 2009 No.3840128 Social liberal on the world stage. Gore Vidal on economic issues. That apparently means I'm left of the Democrats.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:26:27 2009 No.3840130 lol i guess most of 4chan is liberal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:28:27 2009 No.3840138 File: 27 KB, 465x364, 1255889596094.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Communist. I'm not kidding around either, I'm completely serious. Gets shit done.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:28:27 2009 No.3840139

>>3840128

>Gore Vidal

>There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party...and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt—until recently... and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.

I have to agree with this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:29:27 2009 No.3840143 Survey thread. Great. To make this slightly more interesting, what are your views on the escalation of the war in Afghanistan?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:29:27 2009 No.3840146 Very socially left, economic center-left.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:30:27 2009 No.3840149 I don't give a fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:31:27 2009 No.3840151 >>3840139 >the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier Just fuck already.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:33:27 2009 No.3840154 National Socialist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:34:27 2009 No.3840160 File: 110 KB, 850x531, sample-ff74a53c336c9227153c3541c3e19c2a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Socialist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:34:27 2009 No.3840161 4chan as a whole are lolbertarian commu-anarchists. That is, "lol, the government does everything wrong, get rid of it!" retards.

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Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:38:27 2009 No.3840170

Liberal in the classical sense of the word, not what those bloody socialists have degraded it into.

>>3840143

Every President needs a war to justify some of their poorer policies. This just happens to be Obama's. Honestly, I don't think he gives much a shit about whether or not the "war" is won so long as he can distract enough people from his domestic policies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:42:27 2009 No.3840182 >>3840170 Not so sure that Obama is the one that started the war though, I'm pretty sure that dumbass Dubya ordered the invasion, which has had us stuck there for 8 years, even though we had "mission accomplished".

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:42:27 2009 No.3840183 I hate political parties and want nothing to do with them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:43:27 2009 No.3840187 >>3840161 If you bothered following what the government does, you'd agree with this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:43:27 2009 No.3840190 >>3840182 Even better for Obama. When more problems occur, he can divert them towards the previous administration creating this mess that he has to clean up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:45:27 2009 No.3840193 >>3840187 I do follow the government. I agree that they fuck up a lot. The answer isn't "lol no government instead". It's FIX THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:45:27 2009 No.3840194

i care about the enviroment, so i could be a democrat, but i also hate gay people, so i could be a republican??

you cant have one bird with one wing. that is why there is a left wing and a right wing. the only reason there are two conflicting wings is to drive progress. if you only had one wing, then you wouldnt get anywhere and you would probably be killed and eaten.

tl;dr there is no real difference between the two parties, all of it is nitpicking and your personal preferences.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:47:27 2009 No.3840201 >>3840193 +1 and proving once again that even though this is /jp/, most people on here are from america.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:48:27 2009 No.3840207

>>3840193

And I'd argue the best way to fix the government is to cut back extremely on the powers it's obtained over the past century, returning to a Jacksonian-like federal government. There are still some flaws with it but it's more tolerable than what we have today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:48:27 2009 No.3840208 i love niggers and getting fucked from behind by a big black cock, so whatever party is obama in...

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:51:27 2009 No.3840219 >>3840193 I agree, but I don't think it's possible to fix the existing government short of killing a large amount of people.

>>	Sanori Wed Dec 2 21:51:27 2009 No.3840220 What government is for loli? I'm for that one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:52:27 2009 No.3840224 >>3840201 Actually, I'm English. English politics aren't even worth looking at, so I pay attention to the American side instead.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:54:27 2009 No.3840232

>>3840193
Impossible. Expecting people not to abuse the monopoly of force that is government is more Utopian than any anarchistic philosophy.

>>3840207
Given between what we have now and something like the Articles of Confederation, of course I'd choose less government now. However, if it's between less government and anarchy, I'd have to go with anarchy. Of course, I guess that by the time the minimal state is realized, anarchy wouldn't be too far off anyway.

>>	Hollandaise sauce Wed Dec 2 21:57:27 2009 No.3840238 Atheist Libertarian.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 21:58:27 2009 No.3840243

>>3840194
>stupid reasons to call oneself a member of either party
>use of the phrase "two CONFLICTING wings", implying that 2 wings moving in opposite ways get you anywhere, instead of 2 working together.
Your wing analogy is stupid.
If there was 1 party, things would get done a hell of a lot faster. One party = no more democrats and republicans doing whatever they can to fuck each other over and wasting everybody's time. Or rather, these days, republicans doing whatever they can to fuck over ideas proposed by democrats, even when they are correct, just to keep whatever shred of the population is still republican on their side.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:00:27 2009 No.3840248 >>3840232 In today's world, the Articles of Confederation would not be necessary largely since no one practices blatant and large-scale Imperialism anymore. Back then though, it was a necessary evil to protect the US from being re-conquered by England.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:01:27 2009 No.3840255 >>3840232 Get rid of the military, prison, and whatever other industrial complexes I'm forgetting and you'd be a decent amount of the way to an okay government. >>3840243 >implying the United states has two parties haha oh wow

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:02:27 2009 No.3840261 >>3840255 the two main parties, bro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:02:27 2009 No.3840262 >>3840243 thats what i was trying to say, is that the two wings are the same, just that the goverment tries to tell us otherwise so there can be conflict.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:03:27 2009 No.3840265

>>3840243

Perhaps, but I don't believe that a single political power can control a population and country as large as the US; it just doesn't have the real manpower to impose their will on every citizen (missiles and nukes are suicide for said party as it'd be asking the rest of the world to intervene).

>>	Anonymous ‮～ᚻᛟᛟᛟᛟᚩᛗ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Wed Dec 2 22:05:27 2009 No.3840274 Socialist, I guess, but I vote Democrat. This is a pointless survey thread and nobody is going to read this response. If you are reading this response and it's not on the front page, you might consider ritual suicide.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:05:27 2009 No.3840277

>>3840255

The military and prisons are some of the few elements that should be in the federal government's hands. However, that doesn't mean the states should be prevented from having their own standing armies or their own prison complexes and regulations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:06:27 2009 No.3840279 File: 37 KB, 704x400, Accelerator6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3840232 >implying Anarchy would ever work in any situation

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:06:27 2009 No.3840281 Everyone that has responded "Libertarian" or "Socialist", may I hear your reasons as to why?

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:08:27 2009 No.3840286 >>3840262 >the government tries to tell us otherwise so there can be conflict And why would they want that, fella? They're not the same. Liberal and conservative ideologies differ on many many issues.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:08:27 2009 No.3840287 >>3840279 I think a better implication would be that Anarchy would not be self-perpetuating.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:08:27 2009 No.3840288 >>3840281 >reasons as to why? Because they haven't finished High School yet. Because they don't pay taxes yet. Because they don't know what the words mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:09:27 2009 No.3840292 >>3840281 Most likely just to 'sound cool on the internet'

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:09:27 2009 No.3840293 Nazi Communist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:10:27 2009 No.3840296 Politics are stupid. Take it to /n/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:12:27 2009 No.3840301 >>3840255 >implying the military industrial complex isn't one of the main driving forces of the entire US economy, whose removal would cause severe economic consequences worldwide

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:13:27 2009 No.3840305 >>3840293 Nazi Communist You make less sense than the "Liberal Libertarian" in >>3840105

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:14:27 2009 No.3840306 File: 38 KB, 704x400, Accelerator wut.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3840255 >get rid of the military, prison What are we going to do without prisons or military? Are you stupid?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:15:27 2009 No.3840310 >>3840301 I don't understand how this is a defense of it? I'm not saying removing it would be easy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:15:27 2009 No.3840313 I have a few political beliefs, but for the most part I don't give a shit about politics. Censorship is the only thing that I really get worked up about. Sage for shitty thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:17:27 2009 No.3840320 >>3840310 you are forgetting that every other country also has a military

>>	Sakura !!32RHYzwb/Ga Wed Dec 2 22:18:27 2009 No.3840321 >>3840088 I prefer a monarchy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:19:27 2009 No.3840324 >>3840306 What? Are you saying that if it's not an industrial complex, it won't exist in any form at all?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:19:27 2009 No.3840325 >>3840310 Hell, I don't like it either. But removing it is really not an option given how huge of a role it plays in the economy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:20:27 2009 No.3840329 >>3840325 No shit, but slowly phasing it out over decades might be. Maybe. It's not going to happen so it isn't worth thinking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:21:27 2009 No.3840333 >>3840325 Only the portions involved in R&D/production of goods/services unrelated to weaponry. Weaponry as a whole is a pretty poor investment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:22:27 2009 No.3840337 >>3840325 cont'd Hell, I'd argue that the motivation behind... maybe half(?)... of the military conflicts the US has been in was to feed the MIC beast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:25:27 2009 No.3840350 >>3840337 >I'd argue that the motivation behind [...] the military conflicts the US has been in was to feed the MIC beast. That's because you're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:27:27 2009 No.3840356 >>3840350 (not the sole motivation, palbert)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:27:27 2009 No.3840359 holy jesus, for the amount of sages, this is a pretty big thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:29:27 2009 No.3840367 >>3840359 And very little real discussion has occurred.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:30:27 2009 No.3840369 >>3840356 Also, see "Why We Fight"

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:30:27 2009 No.3840372 Prison-industrial complex >>> military-industrial complex. Better human rights violations, better corruption, better everything.

>>	mormon guy !nAP.g00d1k Wed Dec 2 22:30:27 2009 No.3840374 Democrat. Which is difficult because most Mormons are stupid and vote republican. Utah county has one of the smallest % population of Democrats in the US, I read an article that said it's 8% which is just sad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:32:27 2009 No.3840390 Liberal here.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:35:27 2009 No.3840405

>>3840193
What the shit?
There's people that actually understand this?
All I ever hear is about cutting back on government and making it as uninvolved with everything as possible.
The government itself isn't your enemy, it's the cock-faced pieces of shit running the government that is the problem.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:36:27 2009 No.3840407 Nigger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:38:27 2009 No.3840414 >>3840405 If there are cock-faced pieces of shit in the citizenry, how can the people who are elected from this pool be any different?

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:40:27 2009 No.3840424

>>3840405 The government itself isn't your enemy, it's the cock-faced pieces of shit running the government that is the problem.

Make being a politician less appealing (smaller government and fewer regulations) and the "scumbags" will pursue other avenues to exploit others.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:40:27 2009 No.3840427 >>3840414 This is why we need supercomputers to run the government. Nothing could go wrong there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:41:27 2009 No.3840430 Conservative, because they try to keep the fencejumpers away.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:41:27 2009 No.3840434 4chan googles nyoron paul

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:42:27 2009 No.3840436 >>3840427 With Friendly AI, this is correct.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Wed Dec 2 22:42:27 2009 No.3840438 We are SO not having /k/ threads in /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:42:27 2009 No.3840439 >>3840427 I know, right? Especially not the fact that they are made by cock-faced pieces of shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:42:27 2009 No.3840440 >>3840424 >Make being a politician less appealing (smaller government and fewer regulations) No. >Make being a politician less appealing (Stop paying them millions upon millions of dollars and giving them free mansions)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:43:27 2009 No.3840442 >>3840427 Technically, supercomputers wouldn't do anything improper. However, the people responsible for constructing, programming, and maintaining them would be able to, which is the problem.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:45:27 2009 No.3840454 >>3840281 Libertarians are the only party that actually believes the constitution means what it says.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:46:27 2009 No.3840456 >>3840440 And those politicians wouldn't be receiving such large amounts of money if government were smaller and weaker than it is today, your point?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:46:27 2009 No.3840460 File: 812 KB, 1191x1606, dyson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I was trying to make a Terminator joke, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:46:27 2009 No.3840461 >>3840454 That would be Constitutionalists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:50:27 2009 No.3840474 >>3840456 I forgot to mention >because there would not be much of an incentive to give such kickbacks to politicians if they had far less political swagger than they do today

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:51:27 2009 No.3840480 >>3840454 But the constitution isn't a great document to begin with, not to mention Lysander Spooner's demolishment of its authority.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:56:27 2009 No.3840501 >>3840480 the constitution isn't a great document to begin with Yeah, I bet you wave the flag and push the Bill of Rights when it's convenient for YOU, pinko.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:00:27 2009 No.3840511 >>3840501 But I'm hardly a leftist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:02:27 2009 No.3840516 >>3840480 I barely skimmed his wikipedia page, but I'm going to go ahead and call the guy a moron for thinking almost everyone would start their own business if banking was deregulated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:10:27 2009 No.3840545 >>3840511 And leftists are the only ones who treat the Bill of Rights as a multiple choice question, right? There's a reason I said libertarians are the only party that thinks the constitution actually means what it says.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:10:27 2009 No.3840548

>>3840232
>However, if it's between less government and anarchy, I'd have to go with anarchy. Of course, I guess that by the time the minimal state is realized, anarchy wouldn't be too far off anyway.
I don't think I've ever spoken to an anarchist that wasn't mentally ill. Anarchy will never work. Government is the glue that keeps us together and under control. You get rid of that glue and all hell will break lose. Anarchy cant work in this modern age of global economies, corporations, nukes, and biological warfare. Hence the reason why there hasn't been one successful anarchist population in the last 6 millenniums.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:11:27 2009 No.3840556 >>3840545 But I'm a libertarian. If I was Libertarian then I would be part of the Rothbard caucus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:12:27 2009 No.3840562 >>3840548 define successful

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:15:27 2009 No.3840570 Anarchist/Maoist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:16:27 2009 No.3840578 >>3840556 >I'm a libertarian >the constitution isn't a great document to begin with Don't you have a Huckleberry Finn essay due this week?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:16:27 2009 No.3840579 >>3840548 I don't think I've ever spoken to an anarchist that wasn't mentally ill. What does a comment like that add to this discussion? Attack the message, not the messenger. -A concerned member of AAAH (Anons Against Ad Hominems)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:17:27 2009 No.3840582 >>3840545 Constitutional constructionists are not libertarians, thank god.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:20:27 2009 No.3840588 >>3840548 If you need government to stop yourself from hurting other people then please tell me the general country of where you reside so I can be far away from it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:23:27 2009 No.3840596 Anarchist, simply because the only fair system is one without humans to rule over others. Only chaos can achieve that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:23:27 2009 No.3840597 File: 26 KB, 704x400, facepalm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3840588 Typical anarchist comment. Notice how it has no logic behind it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:24:27 2009 No.3840599

>>3840579
>A concerned member of AAAH (Anons Against Ad Hominems)
It's sad that we still have some users that don't know what an ad hominem is.

An insult is only an ad hominem if it is used as a substitution for an actual argument. Which in my case, it clearly wasn't. I'm not as brave as the other debaters on /jp/, and by that I mean, I don't publicize arguments that can be debunked.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:24:27 2009 No.3840600

>>3840588
>If you need government to stop yourself from hurting other people
Individuals might not. Groups definitely do.
Hell, look at what happened after Katrina. There were no police around, what was the first damn thing that happened? People stole shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:24:27 2009 No.3840602 >>3840596 But lack of rulers does not imply chaos at all, unless you want to define for me what you mean by chaos.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:26:27 2009 No.3840610 >>3840579 Stop making ironic ad hominem attacks, asshole. You're the one trying to slander someone in place of refuting him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:28:27 2009 No.3840615 >>3840600 Correction: Black people stole shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:28:27 2009 No.3840617 >>3840600 The police stole stuff too, they were taped doing it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:28:27 2009 No.3840618 File: 80 KB, 800x534, pres14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Old /n/ political shitstorm, here we come.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:28:27 2009 No.3840619

The government might be pretty shitty, but it's preferable to the alternative, which is society breaking up into complete chaos with maybe some little pockets of communities banding together to make their own impromptu governments in order to defend themselves against outside threats. Haven't you ever seen any apocalypse movies?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:33:27 2009 No.3840633 No government/"small" government fags should just move to Somalia already instead of trying to drag their own countries down to the level of that shithole.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:35:27 2009 No.3840637

Spoilers: Even if your shitty Nation decided to endorse anarchism, that does not mean the rest of the world would follow. But don't worry, you could always rely on your small body-guard company you hired to protect you. Though something tells me they wont be able to protect you against a government run military. Enjoy being ruled by the few Nations or groups that didn't endorse anarchism. Oh wait, that's what happened back in the middle ages.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:38:27 2009 No.3840645 >>3840615 >hurr durr, blacks aren't real people Oh, and where exactly do you think the 30% of America that is non-white is gonna go if you switch to Anarchy? >>3840617 They weren't acting as police officers at the time, was the point.

>>	Akihafag !z6QVN8kheU Wed Dec 2 23:41:27 2009 No.3840658 Anarchy is total shit. It doesn't let you build any units or city improvements and your corruption and waste shoot way up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:43:27 2009 No.3840672 >>3840645 Back to Africa?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:45:27 2009 No.3840678 >>3840672 To your house to steal your TV and rape your sister.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:46:27 2009 No.3840681 >>3840672 Yes, of course. I forgot that all black people migrated to America, and certainly weren't born here.

NewFriend !zkraGArAss Wed Dec 2 23:48:27 2009 No.3840693

I don't know what the fuck I am in terms of my position on the political spectrum. But what I do know is that I and most of you wont do jack shit to change anything at all, so senselessly labeling yourself libertarian/anarchyst/taoewhateverthefuckist is fucking retarded.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:49:27 2009 No.3840697

>>3840645
Do you think that because you're sworn in you suddenly become a paragon of social conscience and morals ?
The government is made of people just like these cops. People who will ditch what some consider their "duty" for the slightest profit.
People who will decide what is good for you based on what is good for them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:50:27 2009 No.3840700 This is what happens when you mess with the state Mr anarchist: http://zip.4chan.org/jp/src/1259811988375.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:50:27 2009 No.3840701 >>3840637 If a bunch of technologically backwards Vietnamese and Middle-Easterners can confound the US Army, why not?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:51:27 2009 No.3840703 >>3840633 Excuse me, Somalia is a wonderful region with a rich culture.

>>	Sudo !nAoZUmIAfk Wed Dec 2 23:51:27 2009 No.3840704 Neither, I don't care about politics. Thread reported.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:51:27 2009 No.3840705 Fuck... this thread is still here? What is happening to you /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:52:27 2009 No.3840708 >>3840279 ITT retards read Lord of the Flies in Grade 6 and think they know what Anarchy is. Grow a brain moran.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:54:27 2009 No.3840713 >>3840693 But what if the point is to delegitimize and render obsolete the state? Will rulers still have a mandate if 25% of the population votes? 10% What if no one votes at all?

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:54:27 2009 No.3840714

>>3840697
Yes, all cops are assholes. Having no cops, however, breeds more crime than the cops commit. Thus, they're a necessary evil.

It's like eating your damn vegetables. They taste gross, and you'd rather have some delicious meat, but you HAVE TO eat them.

>>3840701
>Vietnamese
US forces in those days were completely unprepared for guerilla warfare
>Middle-Easterners
Haven't confounded them. Their military was crushed within a matter of weeks. Insurgents still pop up, but insurgents still pop up in fucking IRELAND. That's what they *do*.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:55:27 2009 No.3840717 >>3840708 ITT retards who watched V for Vendetta and thought Anarchy sounded totally cool guys!

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:56:27 2009 No.3840719

>>3840645
>where exactly do you think the 30% of America that is non-white is gonna go if you switch to Anarchy

They'll either join the fundamentalist christfag militias that will undoubtedly take over everything or be killed along side the "non-believers"

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:56:27 2009 No.3840722 >>3840713 10-25% voting is actually quite common on the local or state level. It's sad, but it's true.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:56:27 2009 No.3840723 Gosh. Sure is normalfag in here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:56:27 2009 No.3840725 >>3840714 No, they're pretty confounded. Why do you think we sent in more Troops?

>>	NewFriend !zkraGArAss Wed Dec 2 23:57:27 2009 No.3840726 >>3840713 >what if What if you shut the fuck up? Fuck yeah I don't need to build any kind of concise argument, proving and revoking a legitimate point of view is I like using smart words because they make me feel like I'm a big man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:58:27 2009 No.3840731 >>3840723 Sure is assumption that only normal people care about politics around here.

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:59:27 2009 No.3840735

>>3840725

>Every President needs a war to justify some of their poorer policies. This just happens to be Obama's. Honestly, I don't think he gives much a shit about whether or not the "war" is won so long as he can distract enough people from his domestic policies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:00:27 2009 No.3840737 >>3840722 Well, my city just had a mayoral runoff and God knows what the difference was between the two candidates, because no one else does. I think everyone just voted down race lines.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:00:27 2009 No.3840738 >>3840714 If cops are necessary, does that mean it is necessary for them to be employed by the state?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:01:27 2009 No.3840739 >>3840737 lol atlanta

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:01:27 2009 No.3840740 >>3840735 Sure, but they're ALSO confounded. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamaswar/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:02:27 2009 No.3840745 >>3840739 yep. My vote goes to whoever fixes the goddamn potholes in the streets.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:03:27 2009 No.3840747

>>3840731

No, no. I am pretty sure the core of /jp/ doesn't really give a fuck other than cautiously checking the legality of loli. Any way you look at it, this thread doesn't belong here.

/jp/ is fucking doomed with all these new idiots and migrants from other wastes of space like /v/ and /a/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:05:27 2009 No.3840755 >>3840719 Probably. >>3840725 I'm done with you. >>3840738 Who else would employ them? Individuals and companies? They have that already, it's called "Protection Money". You pay it to armed gangs, which is all the police are without a state backing.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:06:27 2009 No.3840756

>>3840701
>If a bunch of technologically backwards Vietnamese and Middle-Easterners can confound the US Army, why not?
Those middle-easterners have more battle experience than you think. They've been fighting over there for millenniums.

Also, there's a big difference between fighting people that are hiding behind civilians and fighting people that ARE civilians.

The USA has enough military muscle to take on the entire middle east with ease, but combat alone wasn't the main objective of Iraq. As you can recall, the actual combat in Iraq ended in a few weeks. The nation building on the other hand was what we were struggling with.

A better analogy you could have used was the American Revolutionary War.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:07:27 2009 No.3840759 >>3840756 That's true. What about Vietnam, though? Still doesn't hold?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:07:27 2009 No.3840762

What retards have to understand is Anarchy != chaos.

Anarchy is a cooperative freedom based non-hierarchal society. Not a bunch of retards wearing sports equipment killing eachother with what little projectile weapons they have. Successful groups usually either run by consensus(shit takes longer, but most people are happy) or active democracy (instead of the joke elected aristocracy "democratic" nations run on) Rules exist, but they are all agreed upon by the community. If they are going all the way, they'll probably be Anarcho-communists, which would probably include some sort of free resource system, with rules in place to limit wastefulness, or hoarding of materials. The idea of "anarcho-capitalism" is a flawed ultra capitalism, where money rules, and thus, anarchy cannot exist. There are a few other agreeable modes of Anarchy such as Anarcho-syndicalism, but for the most part, the are cooperative branches. Most individual branches are just ultra capitalists who don't want anyone interfereing with their hoarding of resources, or questionable practices.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:09:27 2009 No.3840765 >>3840759 Modern US forces have wildly different equipment and training to US forces in the days of the Vietnam war. You might as well say "Nazi Germany conquered most of Europe, so modern Germany could do the same!"

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:12:27 2009 No.3840773

>>3840762
>Successful groups usually either run by consensus or active democracy. Rules exist, but they are all agreed upon by the community
And then another community that decided on DIFFERENT rules comes along with more guns, and says "give us all your stuff". The first community doesn't have a military or police system to point to and say "but they're bigger than you, Mr Attacker", and thus gets thoroughly ass-raped.

For more details, see: Africa's roving warbands, circa 2009.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:12:27 2009 No.3840775 >>3840765 Well, who says it's going to be modern US forces? Oh right, they stick their nose into everything. Nevermind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:16:27 2009 No.3840788 >>3840775 I assumed it was modern US forces since they were talking about Vietnam and Iraq as places that've "confounded" them.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:19:27 2009 No.3840798

>>3840773
I live in Canada, we have a lot less violent niggers. Might have to worry about natives. Though I support them and their fight, because native culture is awesome, they're super fucking racist, and I doubt will ever get over the whole stealing their land thing. But even our most militant natives aren't as violent or stupid as Africans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:20:27 2009 No.3840804 >>3840788 Them as in invaders in general? The US just happened to be involved in both examples.

>>	eirei emiya !NERO.ByayA Thu Dec 3 00:24:27 2009 No.3840826 Why is this thread still alive?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:26:27 2009 No.3840836 >>3840826 because this is /jp/, and /jp/ is shitty

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:28:27 2009 No.3840846

>>3840762
Name ONE example of anarchism being successful in the 20 or 21st century. Just one, and I'll read the rest of your post. I don't even know why we take you guys seriously, are you guys trolling us or are you just being a vocal minority? Personally I think anarchism is just neo-libertarianism.

Anarchism is such an extreme utopian ideal that even Hitler wouldn't believe in it. Anarchist have too much faith in humans. As of right now, my life is protected by the party I vote for. But in your ideal world my life would be protected by how much money I can dish out to some capitalist security firm. NEETs in an anarchist world couldn't exist.

Also, pure capitalism, socialism, and communism does not work, has not work, and never will work. It's only after mixing them together do you get something that works. /thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:33:27 2009 No.3840882 >>3840846 Spain during the late 1930s.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 00:40:27 2009 No.3840914

>>3840846
Spain in the mid-late 30s.
The Jews had an anarchist group for QUITE a while. The Kibbutz I think?

So yeah, maybe educate yourself before talking out your ass? It just makes you look like an ignorant idiot. Maybe do your research yourself, instead of relying on others to do it for you?

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