/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why she's so perfect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814198
Because her sister had the tough life, not her.

[Anonymous No.]

Because you ignore all her countless crippling flaws.

[Anonymous No.]

But that's not Luvia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814217

LUVIA FUCKING SUCKS

I'M SICK OF EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT LUVIA

SHE'S JUST FUCKING BLONDE RIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814198

Privileged rich girl who got lucky early on by discovering that the way to make people think she was perfect was by acting better than everyone else

I-it's not like she's really hiding insecurities or anything, jerk. She just happens to be that way, okay?!

[Anonymous No.]

Because she's femHitler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814214

You sir, have made a good point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814223

Shut up Future Shirou, you have a shit taste in women.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is he so perfect?

[Marik Ishtar !!K1EpPrzT1la No.]

>>3814223
But i thought Luvia was better than Rin

[Sakurada !Jun.1bGALk No.]

>>3814266
Luvia is better than Rin. She's Rin + Wrestling.

[Anonymous No.]

There should be more pictures of Rin in a Nazi uniform, it looks good on her.

[Anonymous No.]

Luvia is the anti-Rin.

Anything Rin pretends to be but really isn't, Luvia is but wishes she could stop being.

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>>3814214

I lost all respect for Rin at the very end of HF when she showed absolutely no empathy for her sister's plight and played off her. Bitch deserved to get stabbed, why did you make up some bullshit about Magic Crest at the end?

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3814295
I guess you miss Rin's act of trying to save Sakura.

Or maybe you didn't, and you're just a bad troll.

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>>3814317

Or maybe you missed the entire point I was making.

[Anonymous No.]

Sluvia = shit.
End of discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814295

That's one part that rubbed me the wrong way about Rin in HF. The whole time she was acting like, yeah sis, you were tortureraped every day since you were seven, TOUGH SHIT, do I look like I care? Boo fucking hoo. I was going, what the fuck? It was uncharacteristically bitchy even for Rin who had firmly been established as a bitch in the previous routes. I mean I could understand why she would want to kill Sakura, it made sense in the situation, but for fuck's sake at least show some empathy.

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>>3814291

Who is Luvia and why have I never heard of her until now?

[(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ BOOF ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜) !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl No.]

/jp/ hates rin

[CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM No.]

>>3814333
Because you're new here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814295
Duuude...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814334
I'm okay with /jp/s representation of a shit-dripping sky-anus.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3814323
Except no, apparently.

>>3814331
She does show empathy for Sakura. In like, the penultimate scene of their fight. Rin can't kill Sakura because Rin feels sympathy, and a level of empathy, for her.

[Anonymous No.]

I lost all respect for Rin as soon as the early scene in Shirou's house ended and from that point onwards everything she did just made me despise her more.

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>>3814354

That's like two seconds after she has said she doesn't give a flying fuck about Sakura and the narrator confirms it's true.

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>>3814354

It took you all this time to think up a three word response?

The point you were missing was that one good deed doesn't automatically negate a bad one. Just because she was willing to save her sister doesn't mean she's a good person, or worthy of respect. Also, use spoiler tags when you're talking about spoilers, you selfish tripfag.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah well *I* lost respect for Rin as soon as the title screen had loaded.

[Sakurada !Jun.1bGALk No.]

>>3814384
>Just because she was willing to save her sister doesn't mean she's a good person, or worthy of respect.
You're right. A good person would have just killed her.

[Anonymous No.]

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/3082629#p3085352

"To be honest.
What she said was that she simply didn't waste her time feeling sympathy regarding things that she cannot understand.
There is a difference between sympathy and caring for others.
Sympathy is about feeling and understand what someone else is feeling like "I feel your pain" and all that.
It is true no one really could understand what it would feel like for Sakura because she had lived a very extreme and unique life. Most people would probably try even if they can't, because it is usually what most people believe that they should do. Rin simply said that she doesn't bother trying because it would be pointless.
Caring for others is simply caring, it can be done without the understanding of someones feelings or life and she did say that she loved her sister.

The reason why she acted cold towards her all the time before that was simply because she was braught up and raised in a home were it was taboo even mentioning Sakura, that and because of all of the rules of the magi, which she clearly doesn't like and is also one of the reasons of why she was jealous of the fact that Kiritsugu disregarded those rules in order to be a true father."

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"oh look they are talking shit about us in /jp/"

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3814376
She doesn't care about Sakura's self-justifications for being an emo bitch that kills everything in sight and doesn't care about anything. Sakura had plenty of chances to reach out for help. She was such a coward that she couldn't even do that, and just started hurting other people with the justification that she had been hurt, so it's okay.

Rin just called it like it was. One person being abused doesn't mean it's the world's fault. It doesn't mean that person can become a monster and take it out on everyone else without being called a monster.

And why should Rin be forced to care? It's not like Rin was treated like the perfect child. She was expected to become a heartless, logical person that could kill just to protect the secrecy of her own existence.

Everyone was fucked up inside. Sakura just felt like she could do whatever she wanted to because she was fucked up a little more than someone like Rin.

Shirou was basically shat on the most out of all of them, but you didn't see him trying to kill an entire city.

[Sudo !nAoZUmIAfk No.]

She just is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814402
Only about you, Luvia.
Useless slut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814331
No offence but when your main goal is to kill someone it's a bad idea to start empathising with them.
Also, I believe Rin was right. Sakura basically acted like she was the only person in the world that suffered and Rin's response to that was "Fuck you, I'm not playing the who suffered more than who game."

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3814398
>A good person would have just killed her.

Lawful-Asshole

[Anonymous No.]

Why is it that characters from Tsukihime are 10x more depressing and seem to be more developed than anyone from Fate?

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>>3814407
>It's not like Rin was treated like the perfect child.

Among the FSN mages she had probably the least fucked up childhood. Everybody else is sodomized in a burning field of corpses or some shit while Rin is... taught with some strictness.

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

>>3814446
Because Tsukihime is better.

When the entire near side plot is that everything tragic that's happening is the fault of a guy that's already dead, but nobody can stop it from happening, you find yourself feeling very saddened in a way that you don't get with Fate's more "action hero" approach to things.

>>3814461
She's treated like a tool, grows up being taught by Kotomine (which is enough to permanently warp your sense of emotions), and has to be the straight woman to a bunch of women and children, while not being very straight herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814461
Actually, Rin probably had the most normal childhood, with the exception of Shirou (he never learned about what his father did, or what Ilya was until much later). Everyone else in the series had some really fucked up lives.

[Anonymous No.]

She's not perfect. She's an unvirgin.

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

>>3814494
Kotomine doesn't even count. That man is simply unfathomable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814509
Haha, I know. I suppose he's a bit like SHIKI, doomed from the start and will never have a future.
I suppose it isn't fair to compare the servants to the humans though. Most of the servants had horrible, horrible lives and are unfortunately, not allowed to die.

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>>3814407
Nope, just himself, that was the only person that Archer/Shirou was trying to kill in the end. Himself.

And no, Rin wasn't going to play the pity game with Sakura because that would have made things even worse. Sakura would have stopped fighting Angry Manjew and everyone would have been fucked.

Not to mention, other than Ilya, she gets the short end of the stick at the True End of Heaven's Feel. Shirou's brought back from the dead, he and Sakura have a happy relationship and Sakura gets to keep Rider. Rin's broke (even though I wonder why she's so broke, wasn't her family well off?) and every time she tries to go out with a guy she keeps thinking about that idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814494
>>3814535
Where is that copypasta of how fucked up all the servants are?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814494
Shirou compensates for having a normal childhood by being the most fucked up one in the head. Rin's obsession and Sakura's mental trauma is nothing compared to Shirou's utterly suicidal way of thinking.

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

>>3814652
She's broke because her reagents cost so damn much. Every time she wants to store up energy, she has to buy a jewel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814652
She clearly needs to steal him. She knows she shouldn't, but it's the only way.

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>>3814703
But there are places to buy cheap jewels, seriously. Then again, I think Rin near a computer would be a very bad thing.

>>3814744
She really just needs to use the 2nd to summon Archer back. He can throw her sass back at her better than Shirou can.

>>3814681
Do want to see.

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>>3814493
>When the entire near side plot is that everything tragic that's happening is the fault of a guy that's already dead, but nobody can stop it from happening, you find yourself feeling very saddened in a way that you don't get with Fate's more "action hero" approach to things.
I like Tsukihime and all that but I can't really say that I share your point of view.

A few things

What about Zouken? He was a Magus who worked hard his entire life in order to help and enrich mankind, and he even went as far as to mess with his body (worms) in order to be able to continue his work for several "lifetimes" more only to suffer from sideffects from it that messed with his mind and soul, corrupting him and in the end, the memories of his very goal dissapeared in the process turning him into an evil bastard.

Then there is Archer who devoted his entire life working for his ideal, but who was in the end cursed with a fate were he were stuck in a cycle repeating what was basically the opposite of his ideal, forever.

And Saber's search for the grail that didn't exist for the wish that shouldn't be granted.

I mean I don't really say that one is better than the other, I just found your "argument" to be rather shallow.
I mean the fact that the "answer" to everyone's wishes all turned out to be quite not what they wanted at all is kind of on the same level as
>the entire near side plot is that everything tragic that's happening is the fault of a guy that's already dead, but nobody can stop it from happening
If you ask me.
Can't both works be good? Or bad if they don't match your taste?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814291
WHICH ONE IS WHICH I CAN'T TELL

[Anonymous No.]

I like both myself. I like Tsukhime's story better, but I enjoy the characters in Fate more. And Archer really has the short end of the stick.

[Anonymous No.]

Why's Rin so slut?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814898
She's not, you nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's make this a picture dump thread!

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>>3814928
Poor Sacchin. ;_;
Superior Aozaki Aoko. ^_^

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[Anonymous No.]

>>3814933
>Superior
>Aozaki Aoko
That's quite redundant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814947
I hope Aoko's not some moeblob in the remake . . .

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814839
There are too many characters in Fate for all of them to have proper character development.
The cast in Tsukihime was pretty small, and during the routes, you usually only interact with which you girl you picked.

Most of the character's sad stories in Fate are almost all background information, you don't really see them suffer until it's a bad end or their ending. In Tsukihime, you are constantly reminded of what the characters are going through, even if you're not in their route.

Like someone else said, Tsukihime was about seeing the tragic spiral of a problem going from one generation to the next, and having the new generation not able to solve it. Fate's problems seemed like they could be resolved (most of them do get resolved anyways) and seemed more "action hero-y".

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>>3814970
FSN is one of the longest eroge ever and there's a lot of eroge that have an even bigger cast.
The thing is that Nasu suck at doing characterization, so while a normal author would need a set amount of lines to properly introduce and develop a character, Nasu would need 3 times as much to make it at the same point using a lot and a lot of repetition.
Though that does make it easier to understand for the lowest denominator.
I suspect this is why FSN is so popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814968
She'll be the same sugoi we know and love.

[Anonymous No.]

Why she's so dirty and red?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3814993
But Nasu wrote Tsukihime too, that's shorter than Fate, and it has about the same amount of characterization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815005
Tsukihime is actually pretty long, about 3.0mbs of text, and the cast is much smaller too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815010
The cast is smaller yeah, but it's not like there's many scenes where he focuses on characterizing people like Caster or True Assassin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815003
Because of the multiple sexual partners she has had over the years.

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>>3815064
This was probably one of the most powerful scenes to me. I can't remember it very well since I haven't played it so long, but I can still remember it being so surreal. After the two draw and begin to die, doesn't Shirou start to think of Rin and Sakura fighting and how it never mattered? Whether Rin wins and Sakura dies or vice versa, he thought it was all pointless.
I wish I had saved some of it.

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>>3814970
>Fate's problems seemed like they could be resolved (most of them do get resolved anyways) and seemed more "action hero-y".

I don't think that I really agree with this.
As I wrote in my post
>the "answer" to everyone's wishes all turned out to be quite not what they wanted at all
I would argue that most of Fate's problems are problems that "cannot" be solved at all.
And the things that got resolved turned to shit either way.

Otherwise I guess that I agree with you.
Can't really say that
>and during the routes, you usually only interact with which you girl you picked.
is a good thing though.

And I can't really say that
>Most of the character's sad stories in Fate are almost all background information, you don't really see them suffer until it's a bad end or their ending. In Tsukihime, you are constantly reminded of what the characters are going through, even if you're not in their route.
Is a good thing either, it is more of a preference/style/genre thing.

I do like both Tsukihime and F/SN however, they aren't the same regarding both style and genre etc thus comparisons between the two works can be a bit "funky" I believe.

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>>3815103
I guess the problems can't be solved, but most of the characters get good endings. Saber finally gets her wish to return to her own time, Rin never dies and it's implied she has a relationship with Shirou, and Sakura gets to be with all her friends and lover.

Most of the characters from Tsukihime can never be repaired or get a good ending. They simply had too much on their shoulders and could never really become normal again. With the case of Arc and Ciel, it's arguable to even call those two human. One has to sleep until there is a major problem and the other one is bound to the Church. The Tohno family is broken beyond belief. Most of them knew from the very beginning what was going to happen but couldn't stop it, or even tell anyone.

I suppose I just pity the characters in Tsukihime more. It's heartbreaking to see them all crumble and become insane and nothing could ever be done to stop it. After becoming so connected to them, it's hard to feel anything but sympathy and understanding towards them.

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>>3815132
There might be some truth in that but I don't remember Tsukihime being all "sad" ends either.

And Archer, while still recieving his a moment of hapiness in UBW, it's still something that he later forgets when he dissapears and re-enters(even though he never really left it) his never ending cycle of shit.
Kiritsugu also walked through both F/Z and F/SN without anything like a "good" end being unable to even feel happy.
And the only end where saber ends up "happy" is Fate's True end, whereas she in all other ends she continues with her depressing search for the her grail.
Zouken twists himself into an evil bastard and does tons of shit before later dying a few hundred years later instead of "Eliminating and curing all hatred and suffering" like he wanted to.
Caster's story is already depressing and it isn't really all that great for her in f/sn either
Iliya dies in all of the endings and fails to achieve her goal(s) as well.
The rest of the Einzberns lost their most treasured treasure, got betrayed, lost most of what they had trying to regain their treasure and their treasure got corrupted in the end either way ruining their treassure.
Sakura's ends are probably depressing as shit in all other endings other than HF's endings (arguably only the true end).
Both Shinji and his life sucked.
Rin couldn't really be herself due to heritage/customs/traditions (perhaps not so bad but not really the greatest either)

People aren't really happy in F/SN, they just try to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815349
Archer really is the most tragic guy in all of TM.

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>>3815393

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>>3815445
Avenger's story is supposed to be sad, but for some reason, I just can't pity him. After he's become Avenger, he seems to be okay and turns into a snarky character.
>>3815349
Oh, I agree that all of the servant's lives were pretty bad, but I consider most of that information to be background information. It doesn't really have as big as an impact in the game and it's more of side thing to read, after you discover who the servants are.
I guess it's just easier for me to feel sympathetic towards the Tohno family because they're all human. They're not superheroes or magicians, they're just broken people, forced into a horrible situation because of the previous generation.

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>>3815487
>After he's become Avenger, he seems to be okay and turns into a snarky character.
That's because he was taking on Shirou's personality. He didn't have one of his own anymore.

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>>3815652
Archer is still arguably more of a tragic character than avenger.

Even though avengers fate might be rather shitty, he doesn't really function like others and he was never really normal to begin with.

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>>3815714
>Even though avengers fate might be rather shitty, he doesn't really function like others and he was never really normal to begin with.

Uhhhh... what? What do you mean "never normal to begin with"? Most of the tragedy is precisely that he was a normal dude who got twisted beyond recognition until he didn't even have a mind anymore.

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>>3815010
>Tsukihime is actually pretty long, about 3.0mbs of text

Note that much of it is copypasted chapters with some minor change depending on some earlier choice.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I put voice in VN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815764

...Get... voice actors? record voices? What are you even asking?

If you mean how you get voices into F/SN, you have to download Realta Nua and reinstall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815768
>reinstall.
Nevermind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815729
Well, the Avenger/angra mainyu that was summoned during the third war was in a way not quite the same avenger.
That Avenger was this "normal dude" that you speak of, with no special powers and he was supposedly defeated early (or even first) in that war.
When the grail absorbed him however one can say that he began a transformation towards what he was "supposed" to be, and became re-born in a way.

So there is the broken avenger without a mind and then there is the one that truly became all the evils of this world, though he was no longer quite the same and they are quite different.

[Anonymous No.]

People who dislike Rin are people who can't stand girls with strong personalities and sense of self who aren't subissive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815939

You might as well say that people who don't like Rin are racist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815786
Uh, no. Ataraxia is the first time Angra Mainyu took human form. It is even mentioned in Heaven's Feel how the Servant Avenger had no form nor skills and was quickly destroyed.

That's the whole reason the grail was corrupted, when Avenger was summoned, it had long lost any semblance of humanity, it was just a wish. The thing recorded as Angra Mainyu was no longer human, just a wish of humanity.

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>>3815939
Rin is just a boring character. Maybe is she were raped like Sakura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815962
But Sakura is boring too.

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>>3815967
Dark Sakura makes her interesting.

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>>3815978
Nope, still boring.

I do want to see a Dark Rin though.

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>>3814993
Considering the arguments here, I'd say nobody really gets it still.

[Anonymous No.]

Dark Rin will probably fuck every FSN character ever created and make Nasu create more male characters so she can fuck them too.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh look, its THIS thread again

[Anonymous No.]

>>3815961
I don't believe that they said that he had no form, they just said that he had no abillities as he was just a "normal" man that was forced to take all the blame.

As a spirit, he was still considered nothing else than the wish of being "all the evils of this world" but I still believe that he had a human form.
He was a human that took the role of a scapegoat carrying with him everyones wishes, he was a human but he was labeled as nothing other as a "wish".

If you can't find a quote that says that he had no form then I won't believe you.
The legends says that Arthur was a man, yet Saber was a girl as that is "history canon" in the TM verse.

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>>3816123
It does mention he was a shapeless shadow (unlike the other servants).

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>>3816148
Doesn't really change that much either way, I would still consider this "shapeless shadow" and this "reborn version" somewhat different from eachother.

[Anonymous No.]

I love Rin even though she has flaws since those flaws are just cute.

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>>3816471
Being a self-obsessed bitch is CUTE?

[Anonymous No.]

She does care about others, she just gladly voices her oppinions about things and she doesn't let them go easily.
And yes that is cute if you ask me.

She is also shy beneath her exterior and that is cute as well, especially so considering how she put up her exterior.

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>>3815393
Quote from Saber
>...Archer. You have repeated such a thing forever...?

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>>3816834
Nothing wrong with repeating the truth

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>>3816847
>They do not save people in despair. Instead they eliminate people in despair in order to save others who are enjoying life.
>Guardians do not save people. Rather, they eliminate those who cannot be saved as if they never existed.
>The hero Emiya is doomed to always see the ugliness of those he wanted to save.

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>>3815714
Why can't Archer get a good end? Everyone else except Caster and Lancer do! Rider stays with Sakura. There's the farce that is the UBW good end. (Which makes me RAGE, we'll save fucking SABER but not Archer who has the shittiest deal of them all . . .)

We should get a VN or a light novel written by someone who's NOT Nasu where we find out Emiya's back story and he gets a good end. Maybe 07th Expansion could do the writing and Nasu come up with the story and Tachuchi doing the art.

[Anonymous No.]

Zouken was a quite interesting character in a way, even though he was evil.

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>>3817160
But Saber was never saved in the UBW good end, things just got prolonged.

She never reached her answer that she had lived a good life worthy of being proud of, thus she was still filled with nothing but regret, still seeking for an answer to her wish even though the corrupted grail couldn't grant it.
UBW good end is fucking misserable from Saber's point of view, the only upside to it wall would be that she had found some friends.
In that end she founds out that what she sought couldn't grant her, her wish, yet she longed for it. She ended up as a lost lamb not knowing were to go in that end.

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>>3817160
If anyone should write it then it should be Urobuchi Gen, Fate/Zero was written wonderfully.

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>>3817194
You are overly pessimistic.
I her wish was wrong, she will find a new answer of her own and she has people who will support her and she will stand by their side. Shirou may provide her with an answer or not, but claiming she will have nothing but regrets and emptiness is a bit too much.

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>>3817165
How interesting a character is has nothing to do with alignment or being likable.
A character can be well-written and portrayed as an evil jerk.

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>claiming she will have nothing but regrets and emptiness is a bit too much.
I actually didn't claim that.

The thing about the regrets and emptiness is actually Saber's character though, until she gets her answer that is.

And sure
>Shirou may provide her with an answer or not
But seeing as they are no longer linked together and how they are not involved on a level surpassing friends I am not all too sure if she will be convinced.
She wasn't exactly easily conviced in the Fate route either and one of the things that struck her with most impact regarding the matter was when shirou "conquered" his past when he was confronted by Kotomine.
She thought that they were alike, but she discovered that he was "stronger" than she was.
And the master/servant link helped to share their views/memories.

So you believe that I am overly pessimistic? Perhaps I am, but why should one assume that she would find her answer following UBW's good end?
Would it not be natural to assume that things would continue on as usual/before for her?
She lived her entire life and got through the fourth grail war without being convinced that she was wrong, and she was stubborn as hell in Fate as well.

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>>3817255
Because a Future Version of the boy who strives to be a hero telling you 'Your foolish ideas never work' is food for thought.
And it's very likely to get the same realization from Shirou as she did from Fate. Better or Worse, never regret your path.
If they are together, it has a much better chance of happening then if they were not.

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>>3817201
If that person wrote it, then there would have to be one kick ass fight between Archer and Gilgamesh then.

>>3817194
No, she received her answer and she was going to live happily with her friends. Eventually she would have become Rin's pet, but I think Saber would have enjoyed that too. Archer had a lot worse deal.

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Unfortunately, I don't think Saber could ever save her country.

But, I think I respect her the most out of all the heroines. Yes, she did fall in love, but she realized that the duty to her country was more important. She doesn't try to impress anyone, nor does she forget about her responsibility by getting infatuated. In the end, Saber tried everything she could to save her country, even if she knew she would fail.
I agree with >>3817194, when he says the UBW isn't really a good end for Saber. She will probably never find her answer by continuing to exist in that world, and she could never save her country. I don't think Saber would ever be truly satisfied by staying in that world, it would be cruel to keep her in it. The only two places she truly deserves to be is either her country, or Avalon.

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>>3817160
Saber's good end is realizing that she had led an outstanding life and that she should be proud and stay dead as her life was over. It wasn't a sad end at all, she had already lived her life, and it was better than most people even could dream of. She understood it in the end and then followed the same fate as everyone should follow when their lifes are over.

But for some reason everyone baawwed about it and pestering Nasu about it, so she got the 4th wall breaking extra good ending were both Shirou and Saber defied fate and destiny in order to meet up and then lived happily ever after.

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>>3817286
>Yes, she did fall in love, but she realized that the duty to her country was more important
I got the feeling that she considered her country more important than herself and that she later when she fell in love with Shirou and got her answer she instead thought that it was not the time for her to be in love, considering how she had already lived her life, and that it was a good one. Shw was like "I don't want to 'shame' my legacy by living an extra life that I shouldn't have" and Shirou was like "Granted, it really was a good life so it's understandable"

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>>3814399
Well, the people who never liked Rin seem to like to portray her as some major bitch or something without never really understanding the character.

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>>3815349
Archer really got the short end of the stick.

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Rin was destined to fail in anything that ever really mattered. Luckily, she met Shirou, not once but twice, and that was barely enough to save keep her from failing horribly yet again.

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>>3814681
Illya has daddy issues and a really fucked up moral compass for a magus. Her affection for Shirou sometimes borders on incestuous.

Sakura craves sex and uses Shirou to satiate that need. But if it came down to it, she wouldn't even protest if Rin suddenly lost her mind and tried to fuck her. Plus mammoth guilt issues and cowardice.

Saber has an hero complex, an no sense of sexual identity--she's pure in the areas she SHOULDN'T be, which is why Caster picked on her.

Shirou has no sense of self-preservation and is a moron through and through. He's also a self-shaming sexual beast with little to no consideration for his partner(s).

Rin is the most overcompensating virgin ever witness in a text medium, and is possibly terrified to admit, despite her deep love of Shirou, that she leans more to girls than boys. She's also got massive ego problems, is gullible, and lol her family.

Shinji has inferiority issues up the wazoo, leading to a sense of self-entitlement and aggressive bully feelings he usually lets out the most on Sakura (and seeing as her body DOES crave sexual attention, she's hurt all the more for this abuse). He's no leader, and his family's magic is a joke and a blight.

Souichirou also lacks self-preservation, and is a sociopath unlike no other.

Kotomine is the king of the Nasuverse sociopaths, a league all his own in several bad areas. But goddamn his daughter is rapably hot.

Zouken is that piddly little nerd stalker, only with no moral compass, a gross, precise ego, a keen intellect, and the power to use all of those to no good cause.

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>>3818063
Archer is a broken man, not even enough to be considered a full heroic spirit. The fact that the thought of self-destruction is his only drive speaks leagues of a touched and ill individual, hiding behind a mask of snappy comebacks and keen intellect.

Rider is a masochist with a general disdain for the everyday man. She had deeper and darker roots, but tries (poorly, when she DOES try) to keep them in check.

Caster is all kinds of screwed, to a point of personality dysfunctions. There is a girl inside of her wanting nothing more than to be held and loved, but it can't get past the brutal and relentless killer that holds no value to life, and the crying woman who tries to seek peace and balance between the two. She's also a jealous person who would muddy and sully any who seem pure to her.

Lancer has a fucked over sense of pure justice (less entitlement) that's typically drowned out by his own black morals and insatiable bloodlust. Given the chance, he'd have fought every Servant up front and brutally murdered anyone who dared to interfere.

Assassin is a broken narcissist. Whose sword technique is better than everyone's. Period. God that man kicked ass.

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>>3818071
True Assassin is Anonymous, given black power, Satan's Arm, and a false hope that he could ever become greater than the sum of his identity of anonymous. Little did he realize he was pissing in an ocean of piss.

Gilgamesh's biggest weakness is his biggest power--his ego. He's a rapist, an abuser, and a killer. His morals are broken, as he sees all things not equal to him as items of stock. He eats and rapes as he pleases. He kills for petty insults, and is self-destructive as he hates his own nature. And we were gyped of a Bad End where he rapes Saber. I for one cry tears of blood nightly for just that reason.

Berserker, ironically, is the most stable and sane of the entire violent cast of FSN. Even to his corruption due to Angra Maniyu, he remained true to his duty of wanting to protect his charge to his last breath. Fucking GAR.

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>>3818063
You do realize Ilya and Shirou aren't related, right?

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>>3818076
You realize you're responding to copypasta, right?

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>>3818063
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>>3818074
This copy-pasta is stupid, even for trolling purposes.

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>>3818331

Ilya is messed up enough without making shit up to prove a point, troll or not.