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Why do almost all un owen was her remixes get that one note wrong? the 9th note of the main melody, as in "Duh duh. Duh duh. Duh, da-da-da DUH" <- this last one. Assuming the song is A minor for simplicity (I forget what key un owen original is in and lack absolute pitch recognition anyway), this note is supposed to be an F#/Gb according to ZUNs original, but most remixes play it as a G, one semitone too high. Having this note as F#/Gb implies a D major chord at that point in the melody, making the progression F, G, Am, then back all the way down to D, which is bad ass sounding because D major isn't even a naturally included in key A minor, normally it's D minor, only the addition of this one note implies that chord. The D chord there leads into another round of F-G-Am..., and thus is a good fit. It sounds like flan's insanity taking a deep breath back down to D before the second climb to the climax of the riff. But since most remixes play it as a G, instead you get F-G-Am, then backpedal to the previous G chord, which sounds weak and half assed. Why do remixers do this? Is it just because that note isn't included in the scale? I love this song but I cringe a little every time I hear an otherwise good remix do this.

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>>38045885
Meds and bbc

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>>38045906
please leave /jp/, "now."

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Whatafak man XD

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>>38045885
Gimme timestamp and tell me if this one gets it right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEwnEeq23SY

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>>38045975
please answer the question... I can't be the only person to notice and be bugged by this, /jp/ is too autistic.

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>>38046012
This song makes the mistake I mentioned, at 1:26 when she says "mo," it should be a halftone lower. And the same issue again at around 1:33. Compare against the original. The song you posted is stylized enough it might be an i.ntentional change, but I suspect it's unconscious and a result of listening to other remixes instead of the original.

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How do you get pitch recognition? Can it be learned?

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>>38046277
There's 2 kinds of pitch recognition, absolute and relative. Absolute means you can identify the absolute frequency of a pitch, as in you can hear a single note and be able to say if it's A, B, C, etc. Relative means you can hear two or more notes and be able to identify how far apart they are, e.g. a half tone, full tone, perfect fourth, perfect fifth etc., but you can't identify the absolute frequency. I have the latter but not the former. I'm pretty the former cannot be learned and is just some innate skill that your brain has or doesn't have. The latter may be learnable, but I'm not sure because I've had that skill for as long as I can remember and I think most people must have it too. If you don't have at least relative pitch recognition how would you be able to tell if a song is out of tune?

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>>38045885
It sure is great to not be a music nerd and not know whatever the fuck you're on about nor have it be able to ruin my listening experience.

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>>38045906
Buck breaking cock?

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>>38046413
It can be learned, but only if your brain is at max neuroplasticity like when you're a child.
There's a guy on youtube who taught his children absolute children by doing it at a really young age.

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>>38046790
>There's a guy on youtube who taught his children absolute children
tfw too old to learn absolute children

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>>38046413
It can be learned, but only if your brain is at max neuroplasticity like when you're a child.
There's a guy on youtube who taught his children absolute pitch by doing it at a really young age.

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>>38046821
Interesting. Although, while it may just be a sour grapes kind of thing, I actually kind of like lacking perfect pitch sometimes. I've talked to a friend with absolute pitch who says a song sounds "wrong" when it's played in a different key than the original, and also has trouble judging if a melody is correct when it has been transposed. In comparison I have no trouble quickly transposing songs in my head and can quickly "forget" the previous key of a melody such that it sounds natural in the new key.

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>>38046413
relative is the best one for actually playing piano
easy transposing

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>>38045885
I think it might be because a lot of instruments just don't have that note. At least that is my experience shittily trying to play 2hu music on whatever i find

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>>38046413
> If you don't have at least relative pitch recognition how would you be able to tell if a song is out of tune?
I can't, which is nice since I can play out of tune pianos without feeling physical pain unlike music teachers and more serious piano students around me. Being this retarded has its perks I guess.

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>>38045885
Because it sounds cool

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The note feels like the natural continuation of the melody, and it's more memorable that way. It's like how everyone misremembers Vader's line as "Luke, I am your father".

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>>38045885
I checked every track of the official MIDI file and moved the notes up one semitone wherever I found that pattern. The pattern is always two parallel notes so I moved both of them. This edit makes it sound obviously out of tune. I assume I'd have to move other notes too but I can't into music.

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>>38047282
This is only true of like harmonicas or cheap xylophones and kalimbas and such that are fixed to a certain key. Any normal instrument can play any note.

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>>38045975
GRATS!