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3743296 No.3743296 [Reply] [Original]

So explain to me the appeal of playing visual novels. I can't see how anyone can sit through and play 40+ hours worth of one game, do you guys get bored of the characters and stuff? Truthfully I'd rather just use that time to watch anime or read manga, visual novels just seem like a waste.

>> No.3743305

You read it like you would read book. Visual novels are just books with sounds and pictures.

>> No.3743311

>>3743305
Then why not just watch anime? It's essentially the same thing.

>> No.3743314

You masturbate to the characters you learned all about, her plights and problems that you solved and intertwined together with only serve to make your dick harder, and put more emotion into touching your penis.

>> No.3743316

Why not just watch movies? What's the appeal of books?

>> No.3743317

I'd like a gunslinger girls eroge.

>> No.3743320

>implying that reading a book is the same as watching a cartoon

>> No.3743324

>>3743311
That's the same as saying you would rather watch the movie because the book is to long but you lose details and development.
The best relevant thing would be Umineko, garbage in comparison to the VN.

>> No.3743349

Good trolling /a/ and/or /v/.

Seriously broskie, text heavy things are so long and wordy. Let's go play some Bros of War or Call of Doody Modern Brofare instead.

>> No.3743359

>>3743311
Reading book would be the same thing. But there are no books like that.

>> No.3743398

>>3743316
>>3743317
I never heard of a book that takes 40+ hours to complete. Anyway a book comparison would be better suited for a manga or an actual novel, not a visual novel that you click around.

>> No.3743406

>>3743398
>never read a book which took over 40 hours

Hey, wait. Thats just what I want to read.

>never heard of a book which takes 40+ hours to read

God damn.

>> No.3743414

>>3743398
>I never heard of a book that takes 40+ hours to complete.
Not everyone has only read Super Fudge.

>> No.3743417

>>3743414
So are you saying that it takes you 40+ hours to read a book? That's pretty sad man.

>> No.3743424

Have you actually tried reading one?

>> No.3743426

Books often come in series that dwarf visual novels.

>> No.3743427

>>3743417
Re-read parts and taking notes.
>So are you saying that it takes you 40+ hours to read a book?
Some books that actually require thought I do.

>> No.3743431

>>3743426
And not that many visual novels take 40 hours by themselves.

>> No.3743440

>>3743431
Only Fate Stay/Night out of the ones I have read takes that much time.

>> No.3743441

>>3743427
Well you're the first person I've met who takes that long to read books.

Anyway you guys still haven't shown me the appeals to visual novels. Out of all the different mediums that cover anime, visual novels appear to be the most counter productive in terms of being time consuming and feeding the audience the story. It's just one big time sink that could be spent on other aspects of anime and you'd get more out of it.

>> No.3743450

>>3743417
SICP requires more. It is heavy reading.

>> No.3743453

>>3743441
>It's just one big time sink that could be spent on other aspects of anime
Most of us have seen almost every watchable anime under the sun, we are out of time sinks really.

>> No.3743480

>>3743441

Visual novels can tell a story and create an experience in a way that anime and manga can't. In the same way books can (they are basically books).

Are you watching the Umineko anime right now? It's shit, right? That's a perfect example of a work that's much better experienced through the Visual Novel medium.

>> No.3743518

>>3743471
>Visual novels can tell a story in a way that anime and manga can't

The same can be said where anime and manga can portray a story that visual novels can't or take too much time to do. But it still doesn't address the appeal of visual novels. You bring up the idea of adaptions, I'm just talking about visual novels in general but even with adaptions, if it's essentially telling the same story, why bother wasting 40+ hours when you can do a standard 26 episode series in under 9 hours. I don't see the extra time is really justified just to get more information out of the series or learn more about a few side characters.

>>3743453
There's a ton of anime out there, and there's many good series out there that aren't represented on those charts that get posted around 4chan. Instead of wasting your time on visual novels that just overemphasizes the story, watch good anime. You'd get a lot more out of it.

>> No.3743522

I was the same way.

But then I started reading them and it was my main motivation for learning Japanese.

I don't see why we should have to explain it. I mean you either like it or you don't.

>> No.3743537

>>3743518

I read plenty of VNs, and do plenty of manga and anime too. You're a god damn idiot. Why can't people just do what they like. Get the fuck outta here.

>> No.3743547

>>3743518
>There's a ton of anime out there, and there's many good series out there that aren't represented on those charts that get posted around 4chan
I help make those charts...
Anyway I'm not gonna powerlevel wave in this thread but no I'm out of watchable anime and manga.

>> No.3743549

>>3743522
>I don't see why we should have to explain it

Why not? It's not like a fetish where you either get it or you don't. It's a hobby, and being that it's a part of anime I think it can be explained to other anime fans the appeals of it. I've already expressed why I don't find it appealing, but so far no one seems to address them.

>> No.3743564

>>3743518

>The same can be said where anime and manga can portray a story that visual novels can't or take too much time to do

Yes, there are somethings better portrayed in anime and manga. Some better in VNs. I don't get your point.

>ou bring up the idea of adaptions, I'm just talking about visual novels in general but even with adaptions, if it's essentially telling the same story, why bother wasting 40+ hours when you can do a standard 26 episode series in under 9 hours.

I don't see why you have trouble understanding the difference in media. The time doesn't matter as much as the fact that they're different media, exactly like film and novels. You aren't getting the story in the same way.

>> No.3743569

>>3743547

I doubt that, especially with manga. You're bullshitting. And even if you're not, you couldn't say the same thing for all of /jp/.

I've seen around 120 days of anime and read 70 days of manga. There's a lot of (good) shit I've still yet to see and read.

>> No.3743571

Try putting Ever17 into an anime and watch how shitty it turns out.

Nuff said

>> No.3743572

>>3743547
And I'm saying there's a ton of good anime out there that's not just represented on those charts. Can you honestly say you've seen every good anime out there, when anime has been produced for decades? There's always a hidden gem out there, just go out and find it. I just think it's better time spent than playing a visual novel where you already know the gist of the story and you're just playing different character routes.

>> No.3743591

>>3743564
Time does matter because when it comes down to it. Is it really that important to know every little detail about a secondary character? Enough to spend 40+ hours worth of your time? Anime and manga can portray events and characters at a much faster pace. I don't see the appeal of limiting yourself to one visual novel when you can spend that time exploring many different anime and manga series.

>> No.3743594

>>3743569
>120 days of anime and read 70 days of manga.
What does days mean? If it means number then don't talk to me because that's way to low for you to be acting like an anime expert. Also what's with your boner with time?
>especially with manga
Limited by the need of scanslation and the fact that I hate waiting for them

>> No.3743595

You're an idiot. Both anime/manga and VNs have their strengths.

I can't get the same type of awesomeness in a VN that I can in Gurren lagann or 20th Century Boys, but anime and manga can't do the type of awesomeness Umineko offers either.

>> No.3743596

>>3743311
What's the appeal of apple pie? Why not just eat apples?

>> No.3743600

Stop using 40+ hours as the benchmark.

The average VN length is 20+ hours

>> No.3743604

>>3743595
>Awesome
>TTGL
Opinion invalidated, enjoy your ADHD.

>> No.3743607

Just look at Umineko and compare it to the anime, the latter is an humongous pile of shit, while the VN ir really enjoyable.

I don't know, it's the immersion, maybe it's because how things are depicted, but you feel closer to the setting than when watching it.

Take a generic harem VN and a harem anime for example, in the VN it actually feel like YOU are going out with your waifu, unlike the anime counterpart.

>> No.3743611

Cinema
TV
Books
Comics
Video Games
VNs

Just different forms of entertainment media. There are plent of people who don't read books or play video games, same thing with VNs. Either you enjoy it as a hobby or you don't, don't question other people's hobbies.

>> No.3743619

>>3743594

Way too low? Haha. That's way above average. I've seen over 400 anime and read over 150 manga.

And no, I'm not acting as if I'm an expert. In fact, I'm saying that I'm not an expert. There's a lot of stuff I haven't seen despite the fact that I've seen and read more than most fans.

>Also what's with your boner with time?

I was not the OP. Completely different guy.

>> No.3743622

>>3743607
But are those extra feelings worth the time sink that comes with visual novels? When you play a video game you are also the character and part of the story, so why not play video games instead?

>> No.3743627

>>>3743619

>150 manga

I meant 250.

>> No.3743633

>>3743604

I lost all the respect I had for you.

>> No.3743636

>>3743619
There is no way to verify that either way which is why I said I didn't want this to be a powerlevel waving thread.

>> No.3743641

>>3743611
And like you said, it's a hobby. If you're so engulfed in a given hobby I think you can at least be able to explain the appeals of said hobby. This isn't like a fetish where you get it or you don't. A hobby can be explained. So someone should be able to explain the appeals to me.

>> No.3743644

>>3743622
Your arguments are just silly.

>> No.3743647

>>3743641

It's been explain several times in this thread.

And as already said, we don't owe you an explanation.

>> No.3743651

>>3743622
I know you're trolling but if you enjoy any type of text-heavy video game (like RPGs or adventure games) then you will probably also enjoy VNs.

That's it really. You seem like a person who dislikes long video games, so once again I suggest sticking to Brolo 3 and Bros of War.

>> No.3743652

>>3743627
>250

I MEANT 350!

>> No.3743653

>>3743641
I would if you didn't already convinced yourself that you will never see the appeal of it. It's just like trying to explain the appeal of video gaming to your grandparents; I just can't be bothered.

>> No.3743654

>>3743622
There are some stories using the VN format an anime or video game could not effectively tell.

>> No.3743657

>>3743644
How is it silly? You said you like the appeal of being a part of the story, so how is playing video games instead of visual novels not accomplish the same goal? I'm still waiting for someone to explain the appeals of playing a visual novel and why it's not a waste of time or counter productive.

>> No.3743658

>>3743633
Sorry that shit ruined /m/ for good and I left /a/ after it got some steam. That opinion is still valid but it's hard swallow.

>> No.3743660

Talking about wasting time or counter productivity when concerning an entertainment activity?

>> No.3743667

>>3743660
Must reach maximum fun efficiency.

>> No.3743670

>>3743667
OP confirmed for /v/irgin.

>> No.3743671

>>3743660
Yeah...
This is silly by even our standards.

>> No.3743672

>>3743653
What? I can explain the appeal to video games to my grandparents. And I have yet to get any convincing answers. I have responded to every attempt to explain the appeals of visual novels but have not gotten any follow ups.

>> No.3743679

I don't care if you like vns or not.

>> No.3743683

>>3743672
see
>>3743654
>>3743607
>>3743595
>>3743571
>>3743480

>> No.3743687

>>3743660
It's not really a waste of time when I'm trying to understand an aspect of anime. And seeing how I'm able to get the feedback from visual novel fans I'm taking the opportunity to do so. Unfortunately no one has really tried to address the problems I see with visual novels.

>> No.3743693

>>3743683
All those quotes you referred me to I have already responded to but never got follow up responses. I'm still waiting to see how these things you've referred me to is worth the justification of the time sink that comes with playing a visual novel.

>> No.3743694
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3743694

Why are VNs so long?

>> No.3743699

>>3743687
Do you have an exceedingly short memory span or something?
>I'm still waiting for someone to explain the appeals of playing a visual novel and why it's not a waste of time or counter productive.

>> No.3743701

>>3743693
Your answers are basically
"Is it really worth it?"
"Anime has special quirks too"
"But why waste time?"
"Is that really so?"

You're prejudiced as fuck.We won't be able to convince you since you have already made up your mind.

>> No.3743705

>>3743699
And that's why I've been repeating myself. People have yet to explain or justify it.

>> No.3743717

>>3743705
You're repeating yourself just to elicit responses, i.e. to troll.

>> No.3743718

>>3743701
All my responses are there to show that everything that's been suggested at this point either has an equivalent or can be accomplished through another medium without wasting your time playing with a visual novel. I think asking to justify the time it takes to play a visual novel is a simple and good question, but I guess /jp/ just doesn't comprehend it.

>> No.3743720

>>3743705
Overly simplifying it: You can't make a a good anime of some of the stories featured in VNs, especially the ones based on inner thoughts, battle of wits, pseudo-deep etc.

>> No.3743724

>>3743718
>All my responses are there to show that everything that's been suggested at this point either has an equivalent or can be accomplished through another medium without wasting your time playing with a visual novel.

Except you haven't. At all.

>> No.3743725

>>3743717
I'm repeating myself because I have yet to get a decent answer to what I've been asking in this entire thread.

>> No.3743728

Awesome troll, would read again.

>> No.3743733

>>3743720
And are those little extra features worth playing the 40+ hours of visual novel? If something like anime and manga can accomplish it in lesser time, why not go that route? I can't see how the time sink justifies learning about more details about the story and side characters.

>> No.3743734

>40+ hours of visual novel

Troll confirmed

>> No.3743738

>>3743733
Read Higurashi VN, Read Higurashi manga, watch Higurashi anime.
Tell me if those "little details" are pointless.

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3743743

>>3743733
>I can't see how the time sink justifies learning about more details about the story and side characters.

>> No.3743746

>>3743734
How does that make me a troll? I've said it at least 10 times and all of a sudden NOW it makes me a troll? I'm just using the 40+ hour figure as a way to convey the exceedingly amount of time you have to waste compared to other anime mediums, which is what the entire thread has been about.

>> No.3743747

>>3743718
>accomplished through another medium
mediums are different.
Another example would be Brave New World, by watching the movie could you fully experience it as compares to the movie?
Another question. Okay you say you read a manga series and then the anime comes out. Do you not watch the series because you already read it?

>> No.3743751

Because Recent anime has been shit.
Some recent VN's have actually been decent.

>> No.3743752

>>3743670
>>OP confirmed for /v/irgin.

Hey, I pointed it out first!

I'm sure this style of trolling (tossing out the same bait over and over) must hook in hundreds of suckers on the GameFAQs Imageboard (AKA /v/) though.

>> No.3743755

>>3743733
Not just for side stories moron, but the whole fucking story is butchered by incompetent fucks. Character depth and important plot points are always omitted in the anime adaptions.

>> No.3743757

>>3743738
Or you can just tell me the appeal of visual novels. I'm not going to waste my time with 3 different mediums on the same property just to understand what you guys can't seem to explain.

>> No.3743758

>>3743747
*book

>> No.3743764

>>3743755
And so is that 40+ hours worth learning about the extra little details?

>> No.3743765

Then don't waste your time with them then.

VN community doesn't need any more idiots, it has enough already

>> No.3743767

I LIKE TO READ THE STORIES
I LIKE TO READ THE MANGA
I LIKE TO READ THE BOOK
I LIKE TO READ THE VISUAL NOVEL

I AM HAPPY WHEN I GET TO READ THE VISUAL NOVEL BECAUSE IT IS LIKE MY MANGA AND MY BOOK TOGETHER AND IT IS PRETTY COOL I LIKE THE GIRL WITH THE BLOND HAIR BECAUSE SHE KICKS ASS :D

>> No.3743772

Why watch the anime when you could just read a summary?

>> No.3743780

>>3743757
Okay, for my example of higurashi
VN- You get "into" the story more. The added depth is a must-have. A ton of side-story. The music and sound effects.
Manga- Pretty pictures (Done by eight different artists), decent story. A bit rushed.
Anime- "Huh...?"

Alot of the animedaptions are so painfully rushed.

>> No.3743783

>>3743757
Character depth, plot, no JC Staff, Bee Train or DEEN butchering shit up, you feel closer to the actual story etc.

Also, there aren't many VNs that are 40+ h. Most are around 20, some are even as short as 2 hours.

>> No.3743786

>>3743772
That only takes twenty minutes, little details need not apply.

>> No.3743787

>>3743772
OP's argument in a nutshell

>> No.3743788

Where the hell are you getting this "40+ hours" thing from? That's not even close to the average.

>> No.3743793

>>3743657
You don't get it do you? Case in point immersion, yeah you are the main character in video games but that is not what I was talking about, it's how much you care for the characters, the setting and the story.

And about your time bullshit, not every VN is 20+ hours long, Saya for example is very good and like 5 hours long, also take in mind that most are only that long since they have several routes and you don't really have to play them all, not to mention this is not like most anime where you have to bear with 20 episodes of bullshit filler until the show picks up.

Instead of sitting here trying to troll us in your
ignorance you could try one and see if you like it or not, we don't have to explain it to you since your opinion is irrelevant and you have already convinced yourself that VNs are shit because they are just text and are not animated, but of course you won't do that and try to come back with some shitty retort and claiming everything I said was bullshit.

By the way, both anime and VNs are counter productive, but whether they are a waste of time or not is up to how much you enjoyed it.

>> No.3743794

>>3743788
Maybe all OP's read is Clannad and/or Fate/Stay Night?

>> No.3743799

>>3743772
Reading a summary isn't a medium though. Obviously you engage in anime because it offers things that other hobbies don't have or that appeal to you. What I've been asking in this thread is to explain the appeal of visual novels and to justify the time sink. It's pretty self explanatory.

>> No.3743804

>>3743794
>OP
>read VNs
It's evident from this thread that he hasn't.

>> No.3743813

>>3743780
So is "getting into" the story more worth the time sink? If the other mediums can accomplish the same thing in less time, why not go that route?

>> No.3743815

>>3743799
The "time sink" isn't anywhere near as bad as you're making it out to be. You can finish a majority of VNs in one or two days.

>> No.3743818

>>3743799
And we have told you what VNs do better than anime, you just choose to ignore those posts or comment "Is that really worth it?".

Why don't you fuck off to /v/ and play some "real men's" games like Halo 3 for maximum efficiency.

>> No.3743823

>>3743813
I'm sorry dude... But, you didn't read my post did you?
>Manga, a bit rushed
>Anime, huh...?

We read visual novels, manga, anime, any form of lit. as a means of esapism.
Compaing a summary to a full blown story is like watching a movie in fast-foward.

>> No.3743824

>>3743793
>Saya for example is very good and like 5 hours long

And some anime is just an episode long or a one-shot manga. The point is that visual novels take up way more than than anime and manga. Still waiting for you to justify the time sink.

>> No.3743826

>>3743813
How is it a timesink? Anime itself is a fucking timesink, if you don't like it you can just drop it, if you do keep going, that's it.

But for Tsukihime, Fate, Higurashi and Umineko the VN is a million times better and definitely worth the so called timesink.

>> No.3743827

>>3743799
How is writing not a medium? I don't understand why one would want to watch a time-consuming anime that can take 10 hours when they could just read the full story in about 20 minutes.

>> No.3743829

>>3743813
Why not read the summary, you'll get the gist of it and won't need to put any extra time. Maybe look at some pictures from google if you feel like it too.

>> No.3743830

>>3743823
And I'm saying you can get more done by watching more anime and reading more manga than playing visual novels which are time consuming.

>> No.3743834

>>3743829
Already addressed what you're trying to suggest here >>3743799

>> No.3743835

>>3743824
There is a 2 minute VN, your argument is invalid.

We don't have to justify any timesink, I understand if watching anime is a chore for you while you wait for the ending, but some of us actually enjoy what we are doing and don't mind it at all.

>> No.3743837

inb4 "lol i trol u"

>> No.3743839

>>3743823
>Escapism

>>3743830
>Get more done
... Get more done doing what? The only thing anime/manga/VN's -etc are for is "wasting time"

>> No.3743840

It just dawned on me that the anime versions of things only show one route where as a VN shows several.
There OP the story will be different even if it's the adaptation.

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>>3743824
>BAWW TOO MUCH WORDS
Illiterate piece of shit, remove yourself from the gene pool, you're worse scum than we here on /jp/.

>> No.3743845

>>3743826
It's a time sink because it takes way more time to portray the story where an anime and manga can do just it in less time.

>> No.3743846

>>3743830
Get what done exactly? I could read 100 barbie picture books in the time I watch one anime episode but I don't because the latter is obviously better.

>> No.3743847

Time sink, time sink. As if /jp/ cares about time sink.
Not like we have time to do anything else in our basement.

>> No.3743848

>>3743799
Obviously you engage in visual novel because it offers things that other hobbies don't have or that appeal to you.

>> No.3743849

>>3743845
Yeah, turning the whole plot into shit in the process.

>> No.3743850

Aren't you embarrassed to even be saying shit like 'lol justify the time sink'

>> No.3743851

>>3743850
It's a troll, why would it be embarrassing?

>> No.3743852

>>3743843
What do you mean too much words? I already addressed your previous post. You tried to explain that not all visual novels take "20+ hours" and I countered with anime and manga can be short too. Visual novels take more time than other anime mediums, which I want people to address and justify. The other part of your post just calls me a troll which I've already explained the situation in previous posts, so not worth addressing again.

>> No.3743853

>>3743849
It's coming, I can feel it.

So, I'll second the inb4 "lol i trol u"

>> No.3743854

>>3743851
I ... Think this poor sap's a real person though.
An idiot, yes. But a troll? I dunno.

>> No.3743856

>>3743851
He may pull the troll card but some people are this stupid, I can see it happening.

>> No.3743857

>>3743845
While butchering 80% of the content. Seriously, you aren't even trying to be open minded about this. You have already made up your mind and won't accept any answers.

>> No.3743858

>>3743849
It's the same plot though, and the same characters, in the same story. It's just that it takes less time portraying them in other mediums than in visual novels. So why would visual novels be worth the 40+ hour play through?

>> No.3743862

>>3743857
see>>3743858

>> No.3743863

Basically OP is saying: Why read books when you can watch the movie?

>> No.3743864

>>3743852
Your "jutstify the timesink lol" argument has been explained in previous posts, if you can grasp it or not is not my problem, so it's not worth addressing again.

>> No.3743865

Since when do people have to justify their hobbies ?
Do you go around asking people what appeal they find in collecting stamps too ?

>> No.3743867

Reading comic books takes less time than reading novels so obviously comics are superior, right?

>> No.3743868

op is a fag, anime is for retards.

>> No.3743870

>>3743858
>40+ hours
Jesus Christ stop that already, VERY few VNs are that long.

>> No.3743872

>>3743858
Picture this OP.
There's a story of a boy and he has to save a princess from a dragon.

"Boy, walks down the street. Slays dragon, rescues princess"

That's it. That's your whole book.

>> No.3743873

"Hey, did you see that awesome movie?"

"No, but I read the Wikipedia article. It was fucking awesome!"

>> No.3743874

>>3743858
Most VNs have multiple story paths that are completely separate from each other. Anime adaptations usually pick a single story path or an original story made specifically for the anime.

So no, it's not always the same plot.

>> No.3743878

>>3743858
Because it's BETTER, the plot isn't rushed the awesome parts aren't removed and the characters have more development.

That is all.

>> No.3743880

>>3743863
It's not really that though. I can understand books because it doesn't take 40+ hours to get through a book. With a visual novel it takes a considerable amount of time just to go through characters routes that don't really add any substance that's already been portrayed in the story. I just want an explanation as to why visual novels are worth spending that extra amount of time on.

>> No.3743881

Everyone enjoys different things. Some people like melding their imagination in with the story and it makes the story much more enjoyable to them. Some people like being served everything on a platter and they might prefer the down and dirty of watching an actual anime. Some people might just want to relax to a good story and be taken in. Everyone likes different things. There is no reason to shoot down people who enjoy something that you simply don't find any enjoyment in.

>> No.3743883

>>3743878
But it doesn't take 40+ hours to convey the story. If it portrays the same things, why not go with the medium that takes less time and you can use that extra time exploring more anime or manga.

>> No.3743886

>>3743873
You might be joking but I read wikipedia summaries of movies I haven't seen.
And I enjoy it.

>> No.3743889

>>3743880
Again with the 40+ hours bullshit. There are only a handful that take even close to that long.

>> No.3743890

>>3743880
Because they are NOT 40 hours long, you don't HAVE to play the other routes if you don't care about the character and the plot is BETTER.

>> No.3743895

>>3743890
It's still a timesink though compared to other mediums.

>> No.3743896

>>3743886
I also browse youtube videos of games I haven't played, afterwards feeling like I've thoroughly enjoyed them.

>> No.3743899

>>3743889
see >>3743746

>> No.3743903

Why do you value thing with time?
You have to value them with the enjoyment you had instead.

>> No.3743904

>>3743895
But they are inferior, not to mention other mediums ARE TIMESINKS TOO, they are fucking hobbies, that's the point.

>> No.3743905

>>3743895
Are you trying to create the concept of time efficient entertainment ?
Because if you are, we might as well scrap all free time.

>> No.3743907

Y'all bros need to take it easy. What do you do, OP, CRAM animu/mango/VNs? You can if you want to, but some of us just enjoy taking a slower pace. That's about all.

>> No.3743908

>>3743904
But other mediums take less time portraying the same story. The timesink for visual novels is quite big compared to other mediums. I just want a explanation for wasting your time on it.

>> No.3743909

>>3743895
No, not really.

One route of a 20 hour VN might take 4-6 hours.

A typical anime adaptation of a VN (usually covering one route) is 13 episodes, taking roughly the same amount of time.

>> No.3743914

>>3743905
I'm not suggesting that at all. All I'm saying is that it takes visual novels too much time to portray a given story that other mediums due quite faster. The same things get portrayed but it doesn't take 40+ hours like visual novels take.

>> No.3743915

>>3743907
He needs time efficient entertainment.
He watches the simpsons in 2x speed to get more jokes/minute.

>> No.3743916

>>3743905
MUST ACHIEVE MAXIMUM FUN EFFICIENCY

>> No.3743920

>>3743914
>The same things get portrayed
But they don't.

>> No.3743921
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3743921

>_>

>> No.3743922

>>3743914
You are saying things should cover the same amount of fun in less time.
That's being time efficient.
Entertainment is not meant to be time efficient.

>> No.3743926

>>3743920
They do. And I've asked this like 20+ times in this thread already to justify the time it takes just to see the extra stuff a visual novel has to offer.

>> No.3743928

>>3743916
HAVING FUN SURE IS HARD WORK.

>> No.3743929

>>3743908
The story is more enjoyable in the VN, that is all, we don't care about time, if we did we woulnd't be watching loli animu and fapping to shootan games.

I repeat, the VN is generally more enjoyable, not a chore, and time is irrelevant for us.

I personally think watching a butchered version of a story is a waste of time.

>> No.3743930

>>3743926
And you've gotten the answer, but you always ignore it.

>> No.3743931

>>3743926
Except they don't.

>> No.3743932

>>3743922
I'm saying that something can be portrayed in a REASONABLE amount of time. I don't see how wasting 40+ hours on one story is good use of your time, especially when other mediums do the same job in a lot less time.

>> No.3743933

>>3743930
It's like I'm really arguing with Arc.

>> No.3743936

>>3743930
Everytime I get an answer I respond to it with more questions or things that are better alternatives, but never get follow up responses.

>> No.3743939

Also, anyone who hasn't heard of 40+ hour books hasn't read all the volumes of Tocqueville's "De la démocratie en Amérique" or Marx's Capital.
Most likely, War and Peace takes as long for someone who isn't diagonally reading.

>> No.3743940

>>3743932
Except they don't do the same job, they are inferior works which are not worthy of my time.

>> No.3743941

>>3743940
So is it worth spending 40+ hours just to get those little extras?

>> No.3743942
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3743942

OP ignores answers that prove him wrong, keeps using the phrase "40+ hours" even when corrected multiple times and uses a argument which makes no sense.

Troll here, move on everyone.

>> No.3743944

>>3743933
Man it's been a while since Arc made us this angry/
I guess he figured he wouldn't troll us as hard with his trip.

>> No.3743947

I...
This thread hurts.
We've been going around in circles since "11/17/09(Tue)04:30"

...
>last post 11/17/09(Tue)06:59

Wow.

>> No.3743948

>>3743942
Already explained the 40+ hours thing, and I'm looking for an answer that can justify spending all that time.

>> No.3743949

>>3743941
If you call 80% of the plot extras, then sure, those 20+ hours are worth it.

>> No.3743950

>>3743941
Quality > quantity, faggot. Now don't you have some anime to marathon so you can reach the highest anime count on MyAnimeList.

>> No.3743952

>>3743948
The VN is better, that is your answer, but of course you will ignore it and keep trolling us with the time argument.

Too bad no one gives a fuck about time, we wouldn't be replying to you if we did.

>> No.3743954

VN tell the whole story while anime can tell one. Manga can tell one long story while VN can tell five interconnected stories.

With VN, you don't have to be a shipper since almost everyone wins. And VN don't have to be straight up walls of text like manga can be. The visual aspect is not limited to a couple of still panels.

>> No.3743956

>>3743950
>>3743950
>>3743950
>>3743950
This.

>> No.3743958

You sure like to waste time. Posting on /jp/ instead of watching/reading your anime/manga for MAXIMUN FUN EFFICIENCY.

>> No.3743962

>>3743949
But if the main plot is being portrayed in different mediums, and those mediums take up a fraction of the time that it takes for a visual novel to portray the same story, it would only make logical sense to go with the shorter version. This isn't like a 2 hour difference, visual novels take up a lot of your time just to portray the same thing.

Also I need to go to bed but I'll probably be back on in a few hours. If you have an actual justification for the extra amount of time then please inform me and I'll read it when I come back. Otherwise it's pointless trying to use the same logic that's been going on in this thread for all the time. Especially when I've either countered all the points or have asked more questions and haven't gotten any follow up responses.

>> No.3743963

>>3743932
1: VNs don't take 40 hours, the same way most books don't take 40 hours.
2: They have different routes.
3: These route each contain different content.
4: When an anime covers a route, it does so in about six hours.
5: When a VN does so, it takes the same amount of time and often has much more content in way of scenario.
6: Hence, an anime would entirely cover an entire VN in as much time as it would take to complete said VN and usually, disfigure the source material.
7: Most VN do not have an anime, their story is unique and deserves to be read in this format.
8: Entertainment is not meant to be time efficient.
You are supposed to entertain yourself when you have nothing else to do. Achieving maximum Fun/s is meaningless as you'll have to entertain yourself for the same amount of time whether you do so quickly or slowly.
9: This means the concept of time sinks does not apply to entertainment. A time sink can only be an inefficient utilisation of time which should've been productive. Entertainment is not productive unless educating yourself constitutes entertainment to you.

>> No.3743964

>>3743962
>But if the main plot is being portrayed in different mediums, and those mediums take up a fraction of the time that it takes for a visual novel to portray the same story

See:
>>3743909

>> No.3743969

>>3743926
>They do
They don't.

OP is the most close minded person I've ever seen on the internet. And the fact that he's probably not a troll makes it worse.

>> No.3743970

>>3743962
How many VNs have you even played? You can't judge them if you have never even tried. How can you base your arguments on something you know jack shit about?

The average userbase of /jp/ has seen more anime than most people on /a/, we do know what we are talking about.

>> No.3743973

>>3743970
>The average userbase of /jp/ has seen more anime than most people on /a/

It's both funny and sad how that works.

>> No.3743974

Get out of /jp/. The second spent reading this op lowered my Fun/s ratio.

>> No.3743996

>>3743962
>it would only make logical sense to go with the shorter version
>logic
>applying logic to entertainment and having fun

>> No.3744000

>>3743973
It's just logical.

/a/'s material is a lot more mainstream than ours, so /a/ has a lot of casuals who hang out at animesuki too. They post a "funny shoop" about the anime of the season credited to anon there, which attracts more of the underage scum. It's not like /a/ consists 100% of kids, just the majority.

>> No.3744001

How do you justify the time sink of trolling with this thread

>> No.3744006

>>3743970

>The average userbase of /jp/ has seen more anime than most people on /a/

[citation needed]

>> No.3744011

>>3744000
It's times like these that I wish we were on our own little island away from 4chan.

>> No.3744015

Oh god the OP is hilarious.

>> No.3744041

>>3744000

I would definitely agree that the more mainstream content is going to attract a more casual base, but that hardly proves your claim. They are still *anime fans*. In fact, I'm sure there are people here who watch much less anime and manga in favor of VNs and stuff. There is nothing to suggest that the people of /jp/ are somehow anime connoisseurs because the Japanese media of choice here are less mainstream.

>> No.3744078

>>3744041
The people here come from old /a/, lad.

>> No.3744096

>>3744006

I have seen over 1,000. It took me nearly 20 years to watch that much though.

>> No.3744114

>>3744078

Not everyone. And it's not like everyone completely left /a/, either. (though I do post more on /m/ nowadays.). Don't forget how hated Touhou and VNs were at times in pre-split /a/ and just how hardcore they really are. Not everyone who likes anime and manga gets into them and comes to /jp/. And not everyone on /jp/ has seen a ton of anime, either. This is all I'm saying.

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