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Disregarding whatever opinion you may have about Sakura as a heroine, How do you feel about Heaven's Feel scenario as a whole?

>> No.3721913

It's shit.

Nine Bullet Revolver was sort of cool, but it's telling that the only other parts of the route anyone actually liked were BAD ENDs.

>> No.3721917

Pretty square.
Like Shirou's ass.
DOHOHOHOHO!!!

>> No.3721923

The only worthwhile part about HF is Rider
The rest is shit

>> No.3721947

>>3721901
Good content and ideas, bad pacing.
Slice of life amount was not the issue, it being clustered in-between mostly.
Still, compliments the other routes nicely.
More Rider and Ilya would be nice.

>> No.3721951

>>3721913
The fact that they liked them does not mean they liked ONLY them.

>> No.3721960

>>3721951
And yet no one ever mentions anything else as having been good. Ever.

>> No.3721972

Nice for the most part, certainly had it's moments, but in the end, pointless. I personally feel FSN would be a better end product if HF was diluted into the 2 other routes.

But alas, I don't think /jp/ as it stands now is capable of formulating an unbiased opinion on this matter.

>> No.3721993

It's just as shit as the rest.

>> No.3722005

Some pretty interesting ideas, failed to deliver due to piss poor pacing and the weak drama. Nine Lives was pretty cool with RN patch. Kotomine was GOD TIER though.

>> No.3722010
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Kotomine was the only thing keeping that train from crashing.

>> No.3722017

How to make HF decent:

1. Replace Sakura with Ilya as the heroine, rewrite plot slightly
2. Cut the excess bullshit

>> No.3722019

>>3721960
Many, many, MANY do.
Trolling and vocal 'IT'S SHIT' chain posting is what remains in memory, apparently.

>> No.3722027

>>3722019
I enjoyed HF, but some parts just had me wanting to punch through the monitor. Seriously, cut the crap Sakura. Too much bad drama.

>> No.3722025

>>3722017
This. I couldn't bring myself to care about Sakura so HF was painful to read, but with Ilya it would have been different.

>> No.3722033

I felt the whole story was fairly good, it just leaves a bad taste in your mouth because of all the shit everyone goes through

>> No.3722046

I just couldn't pretend to like Sakura, so all drama regarding her was just painful. And the route is 50% Sakura pity party anyway.

Same goes for Tsukihime's Ciel route. It was a chore to finish it, since Ciel was so utterly boring. A shame, since the Ciel route itself is one of the best, based on content.

>> No.3722049

>>3721901
HF itself was bad, I'm a Sakura-fag but HF was simply horrible compared to Fate and UBW.
I think it was mostly because the "magic" of the atmosphere already got old and too much of slice of life.
What was good about HF were the revelations, the missing pieces of the puzzle that fit together, and how all the plot made sense.
Rider's true master, the true objective of the Grail War, the truth behind Sakura's smile, Shirou changing his way of life, Archer resignation on his destiny, etc etc.

>> No.3722053

It was the best route faggots

>> No.3722056

the end was awesome, the build up was fuck awful.

>> No.3722073

HF starts like shit. Really, really horrible. Boring fights, really bad drama, a forced feeling etc. It only gets decent after Nine Lives when Shirou startis to break down until it culminates into the fuckawesome Kotomine fight.

But goddamn. Over 10 hours about that shitty wangstfest. If not for the occasional Ilya scenes and MAPO TOFU, I would've dropped it.

>> No.3722074

>>3722046
>Ciel was so utterly boring

You motherfucker.

>> No.3722078

Sure is UBW fagboys in here. Shitty moralfag shounen route was shitty

>> No.3722079

>>3722049
>Archer resignation on his destiny
Wait, what?

>> No.3722083

>>3722078
UBW was easily the best.

>> No.3722085

>>3722083
That's why they're making a movie out of it.

>> No.3722089

It was good, except for whenever non-Dark Sakura appeared

>> No.3722101

>>3722085
Brace for DEEEEEEEEEN

>> No.3722108

>>3722085
Enjoy your 90 minutes of piss poor animation, horrible characterization and amateurish directing.

>> No.3722109

Like others, as I couldn't make myself care about Sakura in the slightest, I didn't really like the route.
Had Shirou really been judged by his ideal in the end and truly faced a consequence at the end regardless of the ending, I probably would have liked it slightly more as I did not like Shirou's characterization relative to Fate and UBW.

>> No.3722122

Character bedridden forever made it seem like I was really playing Near Side of the Moon again.

>> No.3722131

>>3722122
/r/ godhand comic about tsukihime.

>> No.3722129

In before powerlevel discussion.

>> No.3722140
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>>3722131

>> No.3722143

>>3722122
At least it wasn't you this time.

>> No.3722164

It felt like the most realistic depiction of how the Grail War from the viewpoint of an amateur magus like Shirou.

>> No.3722171

>>3722078
Because Shirou is still not a stupidly good-hearted person, just now with a narrower focus that is not that much selfdetructive in HF, eh?
When you bring 'moralfag' and demographics into your arguments, it means you have nothing better and contsructive to say. Sad.

>> No.3722177

I liked Sakura, so I thought it was better than Fate.

>> No.3722179

>>3722171
Oddly enough, you say he's not self-destructive in Heaven's Feel, but that's the only route where his actions canonically end up being the death of him.

>> No.3722186

>>3722073 a forced feeling

You may have something about your other objections but the relationship between Sakura and Shirou is the least forced of the main heroines.

>> No.3722196

>>3722186
Rin/Shirou

>> No.3722197

>>3722179
'No so much self-destructive' , as in a mindset that disregards his own well-being almost unconsciously and will curse him for an eternity..
In HF, the circumstances force it, and he would really, really like to just spend some more time living before his mind being destroyed.

>> No.3722205

>>3722196

Re-read the first 4 days and pick every option with Sakura. If the Grail War never occurred, Rin would never have hooked up with Shirou since they'd never have a reason to meet up with one another outside of school.

>> No.3722220

>>3722205
Technically one can not say for sure that the same would not have happened with Sakura as Shirou might never have noticed her as a female were it not for the whole Those Heaving Breasts scene.

>> No.3722222

>>3722197
Fate and UBW Shirou don't want to die, they just place more value on helping others than their own life. HF Shirou is the same way, he's just given up on helping people in general and just helping Sakura.

Same "self-destructive" path, it's just that he's abandoned his sense of justice (stopping people from harming others) so that he can reconcile trying to save Sakura.

Only route that he canonically offs himself to save another person.

>> No.3722219

>>3722205
And neither would Shirou and Saber.
Not the best point.

>> No.3722225

Heaven's Feel is the canonical end to F/SN, like it or not.

>> No.3722228 [DELETED] 

>>3722222
EPIC GET XD

>> No.3722231

>>3722225
Cool evidence, bro.

>> No.3722232

>>3722231
inb4 durr screenshot

>> No.3722235

Return to the Spring is the best ending, and not even because of the ending itself.

>> No.3722242
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>>3722240
Fascinating.

>> No.3722240

>>3722220

It's been stated outside of HF that Shirou has feelings for Sakura that's he kept suppressed so as not to further ruin his friendship with Shinj. If UBW Shinji is an example of how he would have been with no Grail War, I don't see any reason why Shirou and Shinji couldn't patch things up and be cool with Shirou dating Sakura.

>> No.3722251

>>3722228
KoG's get was deleted before it could be archived wwwwwww

>> No.3722257
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>>3721901
It's sort of sad that in this ending, only the most bland and boring characters survive.

>> No.3722258

>>3722228
It's not a "GET" you fucking retard.

>>3722240
Yeah, Shinji would be cool with sharing Sakura, I guess, so long as Shirou was fine with both of them fucking her.

>> No.3722264

>>3722257
Cu Chulainn isn't allowed a good end.
Ever.
F/UC not withstanding.

>> No.3722268

>>3722258
>so long as Shirou was fine with both of them fucking her.
If it makes Shinji happy, Shirou is fine with it. Shirou puts up with all kinds of bullshit. What a nice guy.

>> No.3722285
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>>3722264
Jesus, it's more like almost all of the servants aren't allowed a happy ending. Lancer, Avenger, Archer, Gilgamesh, Berserker and Caster never get any type of satisfying ending. They either die, or live with regret for the rest of their lives.

>> No.3722291

>>3722285
They're already dead.

>> No.3722295

>>3722285
>Avenger
>All the evils of the world.
>Happy End
You lost me.
On a more serious note, Archer arguably does, and Caster I'd could make a point a for.

>> No.3722296

>>3722285
Rider and Saber are the only ones that survive the war in any path. All the rest die.

>> No.3722315
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>>3722295
Alright, I was stretching it a bit with that one.
>>3722291
I suppose so, but both Rider and Saber (in one route only) get to continue on Earth, with friends and lovers. The rest fade into oblivion and forget everything.
>>3722296
I've never understood why. Was it because they both had sex scenes or something? Or was it they were on the "good guy" side, therefore everyone else not on it must die.

>> No.3722329

>>3722315
Because one is a main character and the other is the author's favorite.

Most of the heroic spirits don't have regrets. Yeah they had hard lives, but god damn you pussies, that's no reason to regret everything.

>> No.3722334

Shirou has no testicles, just like rider.

>> No.3722342 [DELETED] 

>>3722334
Or... they both have resticles.

>> No.3722344

>>3722334
Or... they both have testicles.

>> No.3722348

>>3722329
Arguably, Hercules and Rider were the only ones that had really fucked up lives which they aren't to blame for. Hercules mangled his family, without control of himself, and Rider was forced to become what she was.

Medea could've turned her husband and everyone else into frogs and moved on, but she killed her own children because she was a coward. Lancer never regretted anything he did, even if it involved terrible circumstances. True Assassin doesn't even deserve mention, since all he has is I HAVE NO FACE BAAAWWW. Gilgamesh died rather happily, in comparison, with a man tear for Enkidu's loss.

Archer was really fucked up. The rest had normal tragedies. Archer's whole existence was the tragedy.

>> No.3722356

Everyone forgets Kojiroh.

>> No.3722362

>>3722356
All he did was sit around training his sword skills. Who cares?

>> No.3722372

>>3722315 Or was it they were on the "good guy" side, therefore everyone else not on it must die.

Rin had enough mana capacity to keep Saber without needing assistance from the Grail. Sakura is connected to the unlimited energy in the Akashic Record and could probably support all 7 Servants.

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>>3722348
Gilgamesh lost his only friend in life and is now continually forced to live without him, because he cannot die. He went through hell and back to try and save him, but failed because of a foolish God. If you think about it, due to the way Gilgamesh is now, he will never get another friend. He is probably doomed to remain by himself until he can learn how to become a good king again.
>>3722372
I know what you're saying, but because all the rest of the servants were "in the way" of Shirou and crew, they all had to die, and there was no other possible way. Of course, after this Shirou and crew live a happy life surrounded by friends.

>> No.3722445

>>3722434
All Gil has to do is become a kid again. He'll be at his strongest and not a tremendous asshole.

>> No.3722452

>>3722434
But Gil did learn how to be a good king again after he got back from meeting Utnapishtim

>> No.3722471

>>3722434
Gilgamesh brought that all on by his arrogance, though. If he had just told Ishtar she was a nice girl, but he wasn't interested, instead of treating her like just another WOMEN and telling her she was small time, the Divine Bull wouldn't have come down, and Enkidu wouldn't have been cursed to death.

Gilgamesh is alone because he caused himself to be alone. Saber doesn't love him, and he's disliked by others, because he's a huge dick. He understands that when he becomes a kid, but doesn't know why he acts like that.

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>>3722452
True, but in Fate, he either never did that or just turned into a complete asshole again.
>>3722471
I really doubt she would have let him go, but I see your point. I suppose I just want to see a nice Gilgamesh once, it's sort of pitiable that he was only at his happiest with Enkidu, but in Fate turned into a bitter asshole again.

>> No.3722496

>>3722490
Well, it does summon the Servants in their prime mostly, so it may have summoned asshole Gil. The taint probably did not help as well, but seeing as I've not read F/Z I'm in no position to comment.

>> No.3722502

>>3722490
She might not have asked for his city to be stomped to the ground if he had turned her down nicely, maybe offered to take her out to dinner.

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>>3722348
The most tragic character of FSN got shafted in every route despite saving the day in some shape or form.

Isn't it sad, Archer?

Seriously, his good bye to Rin at UBW bothered me a lot more than Return to the Spring in HF.

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