Touhou 17.5 Plots

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Toutetsu’s ability allows her to absorb enemy attacks, so even if an attack hits her hard, it will not do much real harm to her; rather, it will become her food and make her stronger. Therefore, normal attacks fail to fully destroy Toutetsu.

For this reason, Okina decided to use Flandre’s power to destroy Toutetsu. In order to make Flan accept this job, Okina intentionally had the oil gush out to the ground, which drew the strong to trace the source of oil, find Toutetsu and challenge her. This successfully leads to the fact that many powerful beings cannot destroy Toutetsu.
With this fact as a bait, now Okina can say “There is an enemy that no one else can destroy; only you can do this." to have Flan involved.

In fact, Toutetsu’s action itself did not pose a direct threat to the surface world. The Former “Lake of Blood” Hell was abandoned, full of grudge and malice, and no one really knows how to deal with it.
This is why after Kanako and others have met with Toutetsu, they decide to let Toutetsu continues to absorb the Lake of Blood, as long as Toutetsu can ensure that the blood will not overflow.
But Okina’s purpose is clear enough: to totally destroy Toutetsu. No detailed reasons can be found in the game, but it seems that the major issue is the fact that what Toutetsu absorbs influences her character.
Toutetsu is the embodiment of avarice; even if she is destroyed, she will soon revive. Toutetsu absorbs the hatred and malice in the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell, and thus is heavily influenced by them.
Okina may be worried that by absorbing malice Toutetsu will eventually become a serious threat, so she decides to destroy Toutetsu with all necessary means.
After the incident, reborn Toutetsu comes up to the surface world and absorbs the desires here instead, so she becomes more open to negotiation.

After discussing with youkais in Gensokyo and the Former Hell, reborn Toutetsu makes a covenant and becomes the official administrator of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell.
And Okina also becomes the administrator, as a representative of the surface world, of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell. In this regard, it seems that Okina grabs this chance to gain control of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell.
The endings also mention that people accept Okina’s takeover because her nature of secrecy fits the job to conceal the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell full of malice, while the nature of Toutetsu may still remain an unstable factor.


Sequence of Events:
WBaWC Incident
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Toutetsu took advantage of the chaos and went to the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell to absorb the oil
V
Okina noticed this and intentionally caused the oil to gush out to the ground, drawing others to track the oil to find Toutetsu
V
Myouren Temple noticed first that the true face of oil field is the Lake of Blood, so Murasa was sent to investigate this
To pass through the Former Hell of Blazing Fires, Murasa punches holes at the bottom of the Sanzu River, and used the unlimited water amount of Sanzu River to extinguish the fire in the Former Hell of Blazing Fires (according to Kanako, the amount of water diverted by Murasa even exceeds the total amount of water in Gensokyo)
V
Kutaka found that the bottom of the Sanzu River was punched holes, so she came to investigate
V
Yorigami Sisters gather the oil and begin to call themselves “Oil Baron (石油王, lit. Oil King)” and “God of Wealth (富豪神, lit. Millionaire God)”
V
Reimu, Marisa, and Kanako find something’s wrong and set off to investigate
V
Reimu and others meet Toutetsu, but fail to knock her down because of her ability
V
Okina uses "No one else can destroy Toutetsu" as a bait, and Flan agrees to help
V
After receiving special training from Okina, Flan goes to the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell and successfully destroyed Toutetsu
V
Toutetsu revives and makes a covenant with the youkais in Gensokyo and the Former Hell
V
Toutetsu and Okina became the official administrators of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell. As a result, Okina officially gains control of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell.

[Anonymous No.]

Toutetsu’s ability allows her to absorb enemy attacks, so even if an attack hits her hard, it will not do much real harm to her; rather, it will become her food and make her stronger. Therefore, normal attacks fail to fully destroy Toutetsu.

For this reason, Okina decided to use Flandre’s power to destroy Toutetsu. In order to make Flan accept this job, Okina intentionally had the oil gush out to the ground, which drew the strong to trace the source of oil, find Toutetsu and challenge her. This successfully leads to the fact that many powerful beings cannot destroy Toutetsu.
With this fact as a bait, now Okina can say “There is an enemy that no one else can destroy; only you can do this." to have Flan involved.

In fact, Toutetsu’s action itself did not pose a direct threat to the surface world. The Former “Lake of Blood” Hell was abandoned, full of grudge and malice, and no one really knows how to deal with it.
This is why after Kanako and others have met with Toutetsu, they decide to let Toutetsu continues to absorb the Lake of Blood, as long as Toutetsu can ensure that the blood will not overflow.
But Okina’s purpose is clear enough: to totally destroy Toutetsu. No detailed reasons can be found in the game, but it seems that the major issue is the fact that what Toutetsu absorbs influences her character.
Toutetsu is the embodiment of avarice; even if she is destroyed, she will soon revive. Toutetsu absorbs the hatred and malice in the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell, and thus is heavily influenced by them.
Okina may be worried that by absorbing malice Toutetsu will eventually become a serious threat, so she decides to destroy Toutetsu with all necessary means.
After the incident, reborn Toutetsu comes up to the surface world and absorbs the desires here instead, so she becomes more open to negotiation.

After discussing with youkais in Gensokyo and the Former Hell, reborn Toutetsu makes a covenant and becomes the official administrator of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell.
And Okina also becomes the administrator, as a representative of the surface world, of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell. In this regard, it seems that Okina grabs this chance to gain control of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell.
The endings also mention that people accept Okina’s takeover because her nature of secrecy fits the job to conceal the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell full of malice, while the nature of Toutetsu may still remain an unstable factor.


Sequence of Events:
WBaWC Incident
V
Toutetsu took advantage of the chaos and went to the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell to absorb the oil
V
Okina noticed this and intentionally caused the oil to gush out to the ground, drawing others to track the oil to find Toutetsu
V
Myouren Temple noticed first that the true face of oil field is the Lake of Blood, so Murasa was sent to investigate this
To pass through the Former Hell of Blazing Fires, Murasa punches holes at the bottom of the Sanzu River, and used the unlimited water amount of Sanzu River to extinguish the fire in the Former Hell of Blazing Fires (according to Kanako, the amount of water diverted by Murasa even exceeds the total amount of water in Gensokyo)
V
Kutaka found that the bottom of the Sanzu River was punched holes, so she came to investigate
V
Yorigami Sisters gather the oil and begin to call themselves “Oil Baron (石油王, lit. Oil King)” and “God of Wealth (富豪神, lit. Millionaire God)”
V
Reimu, Marisa, and Kanako find something’s wrong and set off to investigate
V
Reimu and others meet Toutetsu, but fail to knock her down because of her ability
V
Okina uses "No one else can destroy Toutetsu" as a bait, and Flan agrees to help
V
After receiving special training from Okina, Flan goes to the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell and successfully destroyed Toutetsu
V
Toutetsu revives and makes a covenant with the youkais in Gensokyo and the Former Hell
V
Toutetsu and Okina became the official administrators of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell. As a result, Okina officially gains control of the Former “Lake of Blood” Hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>review
Yuuma Toutetsu
Species: Toutetsu
Power: To absorb anything

A divine beast in the form of a lamb. Through greed and gluttony, she can swallow anything whole, physical or spiritual, organic or inorganic. Furthermore, by swallowing something she gains an understanding of it, and gains its power. Her personality also seems to be influenced by what she eats.

She's the leader of the Animal Realm gang Gouyoku Alliance. The Gouyoku Alliance is an organization that stays out of the spotlight, keeps an eye on the bigger picture, and enjoys scheming to swoop in and take everything when the time is right. Their motto is "Fisherman's Advantage" (an idiom about taking something while other people are fighting over it).
She loves underhanded and cowardly methods, so the other organizations are sick of her, but she's admired by her underlings as a reliable boss with a practically unbeatable power. That said, she has no attachment to having underlings, and prefers to act on her own. Perhaps because of her influence, many others in the Alliance also just do whatever they want.
Despite her appearance, she is clever and cool-headed, and prefers to avoid pointless fighting. If she determines that an enemy can't be threatened, she'll try to get them to join her. If she determines that won't work, she'll try to establish a superficially cooperative relationship. If she determines that won't work either, she'll choose to immediately flee.
To the Gouyoku Alliance, total war is truly a last resort.

Using the opening provided by the fuss with the animal spirits, she set her eye on the former Lake of Blood Hell, where she schemed to get her hands on not only the Animal Realm, but all the desires of the surface too. However, her plans were revealed to the humans by a secret god on the surface, and she was destroyed by an anti-Toutetsu assassination scheme.
After regenerating, she gave up on monopolizing the oil and decided to cooperate with the secret god.

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>review
>The oil field was the Lake of Blood the whole time?
It has to do with ZUN's interpretation of petroleum "being the blood of the Earth" (demonstrated in dialogues)

blood is a crucial part of creature's body, and contains so many elements, physical or spiritual
now that petroleum is the blood of the Earth, and literally comes from creature's body, petroleum in fact contains many "desires", such as emotions, greed, hatred, etc.
Thus she goes to the former Lake of Blood Hell to swallow petroleum to gain desire as her power, and it is clear that the more she swallows, the stronger she is, and the greedier she becomes as well, pushing her to seek more power
If no one stops her swallowing, she will definitely pose a threat to the balance of power in Gensokyo, so here comes Oki-hype teaming up with Flan as the "anti-Toutetsu assassination scheme"

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>>37094589
Is this the same lake of blood from pc-98? Could we see the return of mugenkan? Maybe even yuuka and Elly?

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>>37094815
no, the LLS Lake of blood specifically use the kanji for a lake while the 17.5 one uses the kanji for pools

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>>37094838
Well that's disappointing

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>>37094589
>Yorigami Sisters gather the oil and begin to call themselves “Oil Baron (石油王, lit. Oil King)” and “God of Wealth (富豪神, lit. Millionaire God)”
so this explain why they dress like arabs

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>>37094535
Thank you OP, this is very exciting.

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you can tell what Okina does is kinda like cheating Flan
and in the last fight Okina even strengthened Toutetsu right in front of Flan, whcih really shocked her
since then nips start to spit on Okina & praise Yukarin as a more humane sage

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>>37094905
Why is it ok to be racist against arabs while it's not ok to be racist against other people?

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>>37094973
>and in the last fight Okina even strengthened Toutetsu
why?

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thanks OP, is the original JP omake available yet?
>>37094973
honestly okinas been kinda shit (in terms of her action and her personality) since her debut
surprised she's getting flamed now unless i'm getting dementia

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>>37094838
>>37094815
Yeah, plus the lake of blood was on a mountain. I'd like to imagine it's on that other mountain that isn't youkai mountain, the one everyone stays away from and that has nameless hill on it.

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>>37094535
Thank you anon

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>>37094998
she wanted to do a goku impression because she thinks it will make her hip with the kiddos

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>>37094973
They didn't bat an eye during the fairy incident?

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yeah okay where is the download link

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>>37095355
The chosen 200 haven't dumped it yet.

You're gonna have to wait until Tasofraud puts it on Steam.

They're not putting it on Steam until the fix the bugs though. See you next year!

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>>37095355
-1000 social credits for using VPN

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>>37094589
What is this lake even consist of? Is it just pure malice, or evil spirits in liquid form?

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>>37094589
Murasa drowned out the fires in the (old) hell of blazing fire? That feels like it's gonna have some repercussions.

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>>37095865
She also flooded the fusion reactor.

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>>37094973
Okina mindbroke Mai and Satono (who at the time of meeting her were kids) to the point where they canonically don't have personalities and only exist to serve her, was she ever supposed to be humane?

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>>37096009
At least she's not a black magic necromancer, like Seiga the evil hermit. Okina's merely a good but secret god and you should give her your faith.

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>>37096009
I don't think a single one of the sages could be considered humane

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>>37096070
Kasen at least tries

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>>37096136
She should try harder

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>>37096136
Now she does, but you have to remember what she used to be like.

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>>37096023
At least Seiga takes good care of her servant and hasn't thrown her away, Okina was planning on getting rid of her servants for no reason other than "Hmm it's about time I get some new child slaves"

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>>37097101
okina does indeed have child slaves but I thought she just told the protagonists she was trying to replace them to cover up her actual intentions

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>>37094685
>>The oil field was the Lake of Blood the whole time?
So is it actually still blood or has it undergone some sort of transformation into a crude oil like substance after being left untouched deep underground for centuries? Or did ZUN just leave it ambiguous?

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>>37094973
Yes Yukarin is always the best sage
No one can deny this fact

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>>37101082
Funny way of spelling Kasen

Also why'd you post a hag

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>>37095865
Does CDS take place after 17.5? That could be how the evil spirit was able to escape to begin with.

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>>37096460
What do you mean? All of her victims ended up in Avici. You know, the lowest point of buddhist hell? So she went out of her way to only eat people who either
1: killed their mother
2:killed their father
3:murdered an englightened person
4:shed a buddha's blood
or 5:caused a buddhist schism.
Most of these sound like pretty legitimate execution reasons, and ALL of the humans she ate ended up there, so she didn't ever fuck up and eat someone she shouldn't have. Kasen always had her morals. She just used to have a malicious side towards the truly evil along with that.

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>>37103794
>1: killed their mother
>2: killed their father
That's just stupid nepotism supporting. What if someone's mother or father was a total douchebag?

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>>37103632
it'd be a hell of a stretch
murasa cools the whole place down so she can get past the reactor and reach the blood pools, but in the next stage she has to fight okuu who is already halfway through heating the place back up, with the implication being that murasa just barely made it in time

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I'm actually surprised how brutal it is to tell Flan to use her power on someone if you think about it. Toutetsu doesn't really die, but still.

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>>37104497
Was Okina aware that Yuuma wouldn't really die?

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>>37104530
Being a god and a sage I have no doubt that she knew, I'm no so sure about Flandre however.

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>>37104643
Flan would have no problem killing someone
I'm not implying she's a psycho who laugh at murder but being a sheltered child with power she likely has less regards for other's life

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>>37106654
Interestingly enough, if you take a deep dive into the lore of touhou, it turns out that Flan is a vampire. This also indicates that she might have less reservations about taking lives.

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>>37104643
Eh? If you read her lore and spellcard names is implicit she killed a lot of living beings while trying to play with them, she didn't that on purpose but she's mentally handicapped at 8-10 years and can't hold her power like a normal person, and she probably lost some sensitivity long ago

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>>37096136
Yukari is hotter though

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>>37103794
Not doubting you but I don't remember this, when was it said that Kasen killed people.

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>>37094815
This isn't the first time the Lake of Blood has been mentioned in the Windows continuity. Though I forget where it came up before.

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>>37112278
She killed and ate people back when she was Ibaraki-douji; she summoned the skeletons of her victims while fighting Reimu.

Lots of characters killed people back in the old days, before the Gensokyo situation forced them to play nice.

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>>37107364
>she's mentally handicapped at 8-10 years and can't hold her power like a normal person
What's the polite term for "retard strength" again?

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>>37104530
Flandre merely needs to destroy her ability to revive, 'then' kill her.

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>>37113419
I thought it's mentioned that Murasa likes hanging out at the lake of blood, but I can't remember where that was said. Maybe float fightan dialogue?

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>>37115210
She's not a Nasuverse character, anon. She doesn't "destroy the concept of things", she just shatters them.

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>>37113530
>>37107364
She's physically 8-10, it's not a mental handicap.

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>>37115342
Remilia is physically 10-12 and she's mentally 20 knowing consequences of her actions, flandre is just autist

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>>37115366
I feel like if Remi and Flan fight, Flan is at risk of burning through all her stamina with big attacks and getting too exhausted to defend herself. Particularly since they've known each other for centuries, so it's unlikely that Flan will pull out a move that catches Remi by surprise.

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>>37115425
That was implied somewhere, also it's implied that sakuya can beat remilia because she's more strategic and experienced than remi, in any case flan is considered low tier retard because she only want to play and can't think a way to win any serious fight

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>>37115342
>>37115366
Flandre is a genuinely weird person. Even people who've known her for years seem to have trouble reading her. Including Sakuya, who's an implied gambler. And it's not like she's a particularly evasive or secretive person.
You hear about that sometimes, with autistic/etc. people who have godlike poker faces because they lack any of the normal tells for when someone is lying.

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>>37115307
Yeah, that's a Koishi winquote in ULIL. She also has one in HM where she says Murasa drowned there (???). Also she's the one person in the world who refers to Murasa as Minamitsu. Weird little details.

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>>37115690
I don't know man living one's whole life inside of their own room without ever seeing the outside world changes a person. I'd go crazy too.

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>>37095355
Very low chances that a foreigner was one 200 who got a copy at Reitaisai. Japanese people tend to not pirate.

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>>37115867
>Japanese people tend to not pirate.
Cucked culture of obeying laws even when they can get off scot free

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>>37094589
I appreciate that Okina didn't just cause HSiFS and fuck off. It's nice to see someone else trying to make power plays in Gensokyo other than Yukari, Eirin, and Mamizou.

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>>37115881
I think it's less about being afraid of being punished and more a doujin culture thing. They don't like to upload doujinshi unless the author does it themselves, whether it's a tiny indie author who is selling manga or doujinsoft as a hobby, or Tasofro/ZUN themselves.

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How does the Yorigami story play out if you pick them?

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>>37115890
How could you forget Kanako who has had several clever, well thought out and impactful schemes and furthermore my shrine actually has goddesses unlike the Hakurei shrine?

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>>37116111
>my shrine
okay Sanae I'm sorry I didn't include your mom

On a serious note that's a genuine mistake on my part, I forgot that Moriya Shrine Conspiracy is one of the main driving forces of Touhou and the reason we even have a nuclear reactor in Gensokyo in the first place

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>>37115890
Also Miko and Byakuren to an extent do try to expand their influence. Murasa even implied Byakuren may have even been trying to deliberately antagonize Kanako by flooding her fusion reactor.
>>37116111
>my shrine
Fuck OFF green slut

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>>37115911
If they were respectful of doujin culture they wouldn't be scalping the things.

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>>37113494
>She killed and ate people back when she was Ibaraki-douji; she summoned the skeletons of her victims while fighting Reimu.
That does make me wonder if Kasen was a sage pre or post conversion into a hermit. Especially given her conversation with Yukari in chapter 35 WaHH where she thinks Kasen is still on her side of things.

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>>37116061
it's already translated on the wiki

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>>37115772
Maybe Murasa was practicing her dead-man's float? Anyways most Touhou characters call each other by first name outside of a couple things like master/servant characters. I'm not sure Murasa's come up enough for people to call her much by any name. And the weird thing is I think she introduced herself as Murasa in UFO.

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>>37117362
Nah, it's noticeable with Murasa specifically because Nazrin and Nue both mention her in UFO. And now in 17.5 a couple people address her. All of those cases call her Murasa. I really want to see the endings, though.

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>>37115333
Yukari does that kind of abstract bullshit all the time, I could see it happening

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Touhou 17.5 released on Steam!

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>>37118522
>Yukari does that kind of abstract bullshit all the time,
Yukari wrote an article under someone else's name saying "I hear Yukari does abstract bullshit all the time, you shouldn't mess with her", another character confirmed that the article was exaggerating, and circumstances have repeatedly come up where Yukari can't do half the stuff she says she can.
At the very least, Yukari definitely isn't doing that stuff "all the time". Most of the time Yukari isn't even acting, just gathering information. She never just snaps her fingers and resolves something. Even her most commonly-used trick, opening portals, has restrictions similar to the portal amulet in The Dresden Files - she can't just connect any two arbitrary points, they need to be close to each other or have some kind of sympathetic connection which she can tap into.

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>>37123236
>The Dresden Files
What is this and where can I find this info?

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>>37123457
Wizards in the Dresden Files are capable of opening portals between the physical world and a spirit world called the Nevernever, but it's anyone's guess where they come out (you could enter and get attack by rabid fairies, or exit and find yourself inside a volcano).
The protagonist eventually gets his hands on an amulet which can *map* the Nevernever, allowing him to hop in and out as a reliable means of transportation. If he needs to get somewhere specific, then it will guide him to somewhere nearby he can open the right portal from. Sometimes he can't get there in one jump, so it guides him through a series of portals to get him in position first.
At one point he needs to break into the Vault of Hades, and the only place he can find a faint connection that would let him open the portal is while breaking into another highly-secure vault on Earth. He knows the guy who owns this vault and could just ask to be let in, but then it wouldn't work because there's not enough spiritual connection between a secured vault and an open one.

Yukari seems to operate under similar rules, except she can see the routes herself rather than needing a tool for it.

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>>37115890
Tbf she has been doing nothing but power plays every time she appears and she's appearing a lot.

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>>37094535
how did you extract the .cga stuff?

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Played through it.
Took 15 minutes to beat.
Only died to Okuu.
Shit game, piss easy.

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>>37123622
IIRC both Hades and "Old One-Eye" (the guy who owns the mundane vault) had full knowledge of what the protagonist was doing, but needed to oppose him so that he could pull it off. Hades even has a friendly chat with him afterwards. That's Gensokyo logic right there.

Oh, and Old One-Eye is the being once known as Odin, but he doesn't have enough faith any more to maintain that form full time, so instead he takes the form of a mortal or of various figures derived from Odin. It's implied that he's only alive because he struck some kind of amnesty deal with YHWH where one of his aspects receives a massive infusion of faith from children each December.

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>>37123236
Didn't Yukari pretty casually control the border between the concept of master and slave in 15.5? As you said, she isn't doing it all the time, and isn't really much for directly solving things. I just chalk that up to her laziness and always trying to work behind the scenes though.

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>>37127413
Yukari needed to thoroughly research how Perfect Possession worked before she could tamper with it like that.

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>>37127413
There's more to it than laziness. One of Yukari's favoured ways of gathering information is to act smug about how much she knows, even when she actually knows nothing, so that people are provoked into sharing more information than they would normally. There was even a story where Yukari is the narrator and we see her inner thoughts as she's doing it. Though I think 15.5 is the only time someone's actually noticed and called her out on it.

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>>37127423
Fair. It makes me wonder how connected the two spaces have to be. Things like trains being warped in seems like it'd have to be a convoluted path. Though, I think your interpretation explains really well why Yukari doesn't just solve things automatically besides just being a sleepy hag. I do like the fact that characters in Touhou might be bluffing how strong they are, like Flandre saying Remilia may just have the ability to see the future but doesn't actually control fate.

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>>37127547
>Fair. It makes me wonder how connected the two spaces have to be. Things like trains being warped in seems like it'd have to be a convoluted path.
Besides that "can only enter the Lunar Capital by passing through the reflection of the full moon" thing, we've seen a few instances of it with Maribel. Renko describes her abilities as being somehow connected to shrines and temples, and she was only able to travel to TORIFUNE by connecting a torii on board the station to one at a nearby shrine. She also seemed to involuntarily connect with that Izanagi Object and see the place it came from.

SWR also follows Yukari as she gap-travels to Heaven, and shows that she needs to make multiple jumps rather than skipping there directly.

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>>37127672
With all that being said, Okina is a pretty big boaster too. How much do you think is her just playing it up? Because, from what we've seen so far, the back doors don't seem quite as restrictive.

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>>37127547
>I do like the fact that characters in Touhou might be bluffing how strong they are
One of the weirder cases of this is when Meiling punched Yukari and said it feels like she's wearing concealed armor under her clothes.

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Holy fuck this game plays like ass, can't Tasofro make ONE(1) good game? I swear absolutely nobody would play these games if they weren't Touhou

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>>37128062
>can't Tasofro make ONE(1) good game?

Shoot Shoot Nitori
Dyna Marisa 3D
PatchCon

Now if you were to say "can't Tasofro make ONE (1) good OFFICIAL game" then yes you would be correct.

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>>37127798
I thought the line was more implying that Yukari was simply built tougher than she appears or that there were shenanigans with her ability affecting Meiling's hits, not that she had body armor. Remember she put a hard stop to Rinnosuke's mallet swing and he thought it felt like hitting a pillow.

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>>37127798
Maybe gapped some armor under her clothes before the punch landed? At least Yukari is smart enough and experienced (old) enough to know her power thoroughly. Seems like if anybody else had it, they'd be only a step above a fairy. Though, we don't quite know the limits of it, and I doubt we ever will. It's not something Yukari would make known.

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>>37115333
"You know, everything has an 'eye'. If I squeeze that eye, it will go 'kaboom'. Huh? How did I get close enough to the shooting star to squeeze its eye? It was right here. Right in the palm of my hand. And not just the shooting star's eye, but the eye of everything is in my right hand. So all I have to do is give a little squeeze and..." -From PMiSS

I dunno, that sounds awfully like Mystic Eyes of Death Perception combined with Zabaniya.

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>>37128242
You're going off what a character is saying about their own power. Sakuya claimed she doesn't stop time, but moves extremely fast with little weight in WaHH, but this could just be her lying to get Reimu off her back. I'm not sure how much you can trust what a character says or knows about their own power. It goes the other way too with some characters being more powerful than they seem (IE: Clownpiece's torch not just driving people crazy, but making life force go berserk).

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>>37123963
difficulty?

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>>37128242
I don't think by everything she meant any concepts (Flan probably still doesn't understand things like that). She meant any other objects.

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How do I defeat Okuu's Spirit Ball?

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>>37132905
If you mean her final, run away as fast as you can
Not sure if that's how it's meant to work but it was fun

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>>37132905
just keep running, if it catches up to you then start to dash up through it
if you're Flan then you can just spam C next to her instead

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>>37094535
Windows 7?

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It sounds like Kogasa's not hanging around Myouren temple much anymore, I wonder what's up with that. I think she was underground for her Double Spoiler spellcards too. Just got scared off by Yoshika?

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Murasa feels like cancer to use.

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>>37134766
Just beat Kanako I am never using murasa again after this run.

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>>37134766
>>37134885
Murasa's the most fun in the game, the only part that sucks is against Utsuho because Murasa does so much damage that Utsuho doesn't even get an attack out

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>>37134938
I don't like the clunkiness and I did not expect that I need to fight the second form of Toutetsu with her.

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Very important lore

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>>37135000
Alright, I don't understand how to use joon at all.

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>>37135394
I figured out, the "c" button allows me to drop from shion without launching backward.

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So was flandre freed or returned?

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>>37135394
her attacks burn up fluids causing extra damage and lingering fire
Shion is a permanent bubble of charging, you pretty much hold onto her mid-air in some bullets and not only will it drop a massive amount of fluids but if she absorbs enough she'll do her own massive damage attack
have fun with Toutetsu (note: you won't)

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Played Kanako for a second.
I'm going to wait for the patch first.
Don't want to go through this twice.

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Finally beat Flan's C route jesus christ.
As someone who doesn't care about multiplayer/fighting games I though this one was more satisfying going through the story mode than all the other Taso games gameplay-wise. The way you get a clearer picture of what's going on exactly the more you play was also pretty cool.
I knew about Flan but I'm glad I wasn't spoiled about Okina. It really took me by surprise when a door opened from Kanako's back.

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>>37136147
If you mean freed from the basement, she was always freed from the basement. She just likes hanging out down there.

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>>37137981
>Finally beat Flan's C route
honestly kudos to you
the last two attacks both take way too long and are just tedious, I decided it wasn't worth my time and put the game down there

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I made it to Yuugi having no clue what the fuck I am doing, but now I can't win.

How do I actually play this game?

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>>37137981
honestly, that's what's nice about this game. not having everyone playable means a tighter narrative with less filler to boot.

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Pretty interesting Toutetsu is one of the few final bosses that's actually a direct threat to Gensokyo's balance through raw power alone unlike the usual incident-causers' roundabout methods. Even despite not having fully drained the lake, Flan's the only one who can actually put her down. Would have been interesting to see what happens had she succeeded.

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Toutetsu's final part of the final pattern is so damn annoying, is there even enough time to go bat and dodge the massive laser when the warning appear?

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>>37141375
Literally needs 2 secret bosses to take her down. And one of them is a god.

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>>37138546
I thought she was supposed to be unable to leave the mansion?

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>>37142665
In EoSD she was trapped in the mansion by Patchy summoning rain. Can't cross running water.

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Any art of starved blood monster Toutetsu ?

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>Toutetsu's final attack as Murasa
holy shit fuck off

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>>37150566
It's really not bad with her once you get the rhythm down, Murasa can stall in the air for a while and she throws out enough damage to get it over with quickly. Wait until you get to Joon and Flan.

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>>37150605
Joon was extremely easy for me, you fly over one or two blood pillars with Shion then attack drop to your side of the screen when one of the pillars leaves, jump on Shion again then wait for Toutetsu to stop attacking. The hard part was doing it consistently but holy shit was that easier and faster than Murasa.

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>>37150605
I'm over 90 attempts and have no idea what I am doing wrong

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>>37150566
>>37150739
There's a trick you can do for Murasa. Wait until one of the ground unblockables is close to hitting you then anchor up. You should be able to land back on the ground normally before another one hits you. Repeat this two more times. The third time you anchor up anchor towards Toutetsu twice mid-air so you're right above her, then attack straight down. This should hit her right as she's vulnerable and let you get a good few hits in. Doing it this way I only managed to get hit once.

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Jo on drinks my milkshake?

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how do you use Jouon and Shion anyways? Pressing buttons has gotten me far but idk what I'm doing lol

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>>37151866
I wouldn't mind drinking her milkshake, if you know what I mean.

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>>37141375
She is one component of the chinese version of the four horsemen.

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>>37123236
I think you are highballing Yukari a bit.
The truth is that she is actually just a regular old human lady hiding in some advanced technology to extend her life as much as it can be.
The Yukari we know is just an illusion and all the actions she does are just the other characters thinking she actually did something.

In reality, Yukari can't really do anything.

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Can't wait to see more literal best-tiality doujins

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>>37161306
of matriarchs I mean

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the fuck is that greyed out thing and how do i unlock it

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>>37161586
Unfinished Toutetsu route. Please wait warmly until Tasofro unfucks the game.

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>>37162653
saki no

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>>37151866
Did you think your song and dance and your superstition would save you, Anon?

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>>37115333
>>37128242
It feels like Okina "assumed" Flandre was capable of destroying concepts which is why she took her in specific to deal with an entity that would otherwise be difficult to destroy.

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>>37164573
isn't it just a normal ability to "destroy anything"
toutetsu is a physical thing than can be destroyed (but not by normal means which is why someone who could literally destroy "anything" was required)

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>>37164700
Wasn't goasts being non-physical the entire crutch for 17?

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>>37164898
my vocabulary is very bad but I meant to say something along the lines of "thing that exists and is able to be destroyed directly"
I don't know how to explain it so maybe I'm just wrong

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>>37142665
Cheating Detective Satori shows that she chooses to remain down there of her own choice, as she gets food delivered to her. She is locked down there, but it's just a mundane padlock that she can easily destroy.

Going back to the EoSD extra stage, presumably she decided to roam the mansion while Remilia was out. However she was trapped within the mansion by Patchouli summoning rain. Vampires can't cross running water; which is why Remilia, who was locked out as a result, asked Reimu/Marisa to go and investigate.

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>>37162653
No wonder gas is so expensive now.

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>>37094589
>But Okina’s purpose is clear enough: to totally destroy Toutetsu.
I doubt that's possible, but
>Toutetsu is the embodiment of avarice; even if she is destroyed, she will soon revive.
I expected as much.