モームスとあややスレPart159.5

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モームスとあややスレPart159.5 Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:03:34 2009 No.3632013 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:04:34 2009 No.3632019 File: 614 KB, 150x120, 1_42_1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rika & Yossie Thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:04:34 2009 No.3632020 why is there a .5

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:06:34 2009 No.3632030 >>3632020 Because Kimagure Princess is selling poorly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:08:34 2009 No.3632034 because koharu is leaving and half the group's allure is going with her

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:11:34 2009 No.3632051 File: 156 KB, 684x960, suite7600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3632020 >>3632030 For the trollfest obviously.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:16:34 2009 No.3632059 File: 230 KB, 1440x808, naruup5642.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Michishige Sayumi - Unbelievable 09/10/29 http://www.sendspace.com/file/druabt

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:22:34 2009 No.3632070 im so pissed, i just watch Uverowrld PV , how come they got #2, the pv is awful so is the song

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:23:34 2009 No.3632073 File: 19 KB, 280x480, o0280048010290323361.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Takabe Ai's blog http://ameblo.jp/ai-takabe/entry-10376073874.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 16:24:34 2009 No.3632077 /jp/, let's see those Sayu camel toe pics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 17:00:34 2009 No.3632210 File: 110 KB, 450x675, ORG_20091026000504.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] H&A's Halloween Show in Paris coming up http://www.myspace.com/hangryandangry

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 18:08:34 2009 No.3632496 File: 330 KB, 1470x1020, suite7602.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:36:34 2009 No.3633015 Listen? Live 4 Life 09/10/29 (Takahashi Ai, Lin Lin) http://www.sendspace.com/file/c0d78e

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:56:34 2009 No.3633118

I'm glad that they sped up the song, with Takahashi and the chimpmunks tone.
The faster the song, the sooner the music video was over. And, yeah, the only highlight was the high use of the Eri.

But yeeeah, they really are princesses, and someone needs to save those damsels in distress from the Tower of Boring and Fail.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 19:59:34 2009 No.3633130 File: 509 KB, 1022x1440, sapphire_1100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633015 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:05:34 2009 No.3633150 File: 33 KB, 400x578, 18639.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633118 low level/entry level

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:07:34 2009 No.3633157 >>3633150 Low sales / High butthurt

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:09:34 2009 No.3633164 File: 100 KB, 300x179, Lis1029_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633015 http://www.mmqr.net/listen/thursday/1029.php

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:13:34 2009 No.3633179
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>>3633157
http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/music/3914/1155627425/415

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Go away!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:17:34 2009 No.3633199 >>3633157 Forever Trolls / Forever Dirty

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:22:34 2009 No.3633220 File: 42 KB, 410x600, aewen1391a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember when there wasn't constantly trolling.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:24:34 2009 No.3633230 >>3633118 The only princesses are Frances and Aiko, not these bouncing boobs flailing hands around like silly womans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:25:34 2009 No.3633237 >>3633179 Your point being?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:26:34 2009 No.3633239 >>3633220 >posting aewen file name pictures You're one to talk about. Har har.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:26:34 2009 No.3633242 >>3633199 >Forever Dirty I dunno about you but I shower every day, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:28:34 2009 No.3633246 >>3633179 Are those idol cds in packs of fives??

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:29:34 2009 No.3633250 File: 62 KB, 800x450, jphip00102.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633179

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:30:34 2009 No.3633256 Good morning, anons, how's the day for you all? Listening to Tunak Tunak tun now.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:30:34 2009 No.3633257
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>>3633220
Back then we got trolled by 2D anons instead. And sailboats, or flagships if you will.
But there was a period there when shit was cool IIRC.

Bigga Raiji is still happy though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:30:34 2009 No.3633258 >>3633246 without handshake tickets and official pics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:32:34 2009 No.3633263 >>3633250 Thanks. But, why is the girl holding looking so... angry sinister like. My hairs are standing on their ends.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:32:34 2009 No.3633264 >>3633179 マルチ商法で売上を伸ばし握手券を抜いたいらなくなったＣＤは、100円でヤフオク行きこれが秋葉商法

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:32:34 2009 No.3633266

I just realized something... isn't KP the first Momusu single where the new Oricon handshake sales policy is effect (and therefore they decided not to do it)?

It seems like Johnny's push to put a clamp on their competitors' business thus wiping them off the race didn't pan out as expected. They only kneecap one of the two designated targets.
Sadly it was the least threatening.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:33:34 2009 No.3633271 >>3633264 Anyone, translate please.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:34:34 2009 No.3633275 >>3633264 Ching chong to you too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:34:34 2009 No.3633278 >>3633271 The pleasure of being cummed inside.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:35:34 2009 No.3633283 >>3633257 Alright, I recall some faggot calling Bigga a fat dude or something being useless. Can that anon own up now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:36:34 2009 No.3633286 "ずさんの極地"AKB48運営の是非　握手会中止、公演日変更、「新内閣」大幅遅延...... http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/4419175/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:36:34 2009 No.3633289 >>3633247 What am I supposed to be getting out of this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:38:34 2009 No.3633292 >>3633258 wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:38:34 2009 No.3633296 >>3633289 AKB48のマルチ商法

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:39:34 2009 No.3633300 File: 225 KB, 854x480, 1246332649764.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can we remain on topic, please? I heard that denial isn't just a river in Egypt, anybody can confirm?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:39:34 2009 No.3633304 >>3633256 >Tunak Tunak tun this song is awesome and even though I'm not normally that big on Eri, she's fantastic in this one. I liked Kimagura Princess better though

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:40:34 2009 No.3633305 that akb cheats by adding multilevel promotions and value added services to their products which inflate sales

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:40:34 2009 No.3633308 >>3633264 マルチ商法で売上を伸ばし Extend sales with pyramid-scheme business. 握手券を抜いたいらなくなったＣＤは、100円でヤフオク行き Extract Handshake Coupon and sell needless CD for 100 Yen on Yahoo Auctions. これが秋葉商法 This is Akiba trade.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:41:34 2009 No.3633313 >>3633300 Denying what. What does that open box of CDs have to do with your point, which I'm not getting anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:41:34 2009 No.3633314 【芸能】"ずさんの極地"AKB48運営の是非　握手会中止、公演日変更、「新内閣」大幅遅延...... http://yutori7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1256713687/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:42:34 2009 No.3633317 File: 504 KB, 640x480, maki4372.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633283 Yeah, me, same guy. He was hilariously bad on the Queen Bee track. Now what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:44:34 2009 No.3633324 >>3633308 >>3633296 Wait a minute, why are you guys all onto bingo all a sudden. Did someone challenge a proof to their sales figures again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:45:34 2009 No.3633330 >>3633317 Just checking to see if you're being a hypocrite. I'm not sure what to make of this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:47:34 2009 No.3633334 No this is the same stuff that's been floating around for a while now. You just have to damage control when you're getting trolled.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:48:05 2009 No.3633340 [DELETED]

>>3633289

A scheme of a working marketing plan, something UFA doesn't have because it's run by knuckle-dragging simians who believe that no marketing and no effort put into churning out what their cheap ass products will still mean oodles of money and growing support.

It's funny how people here (actually, it's the same person over and over) get bent out of shape because others are adopting completely legit strategies that H!P has already use in the past, rather than pondering on why Morning Musume is no longer hot shit.
I was about to express my displeasure for Kimagure Princess getting double-teamed by KinKi Kids and AKB, but some people here will never get over their blind militancy.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:49:34 2009 No.3633345

>>3633289

A scheme of a working marketing plan, something UFA doesn't have because it's run by knuckle-dragging simians who believe that no marketing and no effort put into churning out their cheap ass products will still mean oodles of money and growing support.

It's funny how people here (actually, it's the same person over and over) get bent out of shape because others are adopting completely legit strategies that H!P has already use in the past, rather than pondering on why Morning Musume is no longer hot shit.
I was about to express my displeasure for Kimagure Princess getting double-teamed by KinKi Kids and AKB, but some people here will never get over their blind militancy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:49:34 2009 No.3633346 Morning Musume will perform on Music Fighter 11/6. Koha's last. http://img35.imageshack.us/i/508371.jpg/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:51:34 2009 No.3633357 >>3633345 Thanks for backing them up. A reasonable mind is what we need here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:51:34 2009 No.3633361 >>3633313 Denying that you do the exactly same, cockmuncher. Hope those five versions of Kimagure Princess will be delivered soon, I love how despite all the Internet trolling things haven't changed of a iota.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:53:34 2009 No.3633376 >>3633314 >2ch wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:56:34 2009 No.3633398

For me this sales humiliation is not about Momusu itself, but just to see those delusional H!P fans squirm. Not too long ago they were "Pfffft. Momusu sells 3 times as much as AKB! They are nothing!"

Revenge is my favorite dish. Best served cold so I can lick it off a waffle cone and sprinkles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:56:34 2009 No.3633400 >>3633346 Thanks, bro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:58:34 2009 No.3633420 Now look what this thread turned into. Sigh.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:59:34 2009 No.3633425 >>3633305 >promotions Oh noes! Promotions is heresy! People shouldn't know what we sell! You're getting more and more pathetic in your outbursts.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 20:59:34 2009 No.3633429

>>3633308
>握手券を抜いたいらなくなったＣＤは、100円でヤフオク行き
>Extract Handshake Coupon and sell needless CD for 100 Yen on Yahoo Auctions.
>これが秋葉商法
This is Akiba trade.

I was wondering what this >>3633247 whole thing was in the first place. As for the 100 yen empty cds, I remember hearing some guy saying he had bought like 60 of them and was giving them out for free basically, taking out the handshake ticket.

>>3633357
>adopting completely legit strategies
Fuck off, the cancer grows at an accelerated rate now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:00:34 2009 No.3633433 >>3633376 Instead of posting Japanese style wailing. Tell us which part you want translated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:01:34 2009 No.3633439 >>3633398 TAKE IT UP WITH 2CH NOT US

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:03:34 2009 No.3633460

>>3633420
Blame the guy who reads too much mornincoffee, not us.
Did anyone even bother to tell him that Morning Musume does handshakes events as well and that AKB has been including bonus stuff in their singles since its inception?
Gee, I wonder why it didn't sell oodles of copies from the start and people are beginning to bellyache only now that they outsell Morning Musume every time. Maybe it's the fact that unlike UFA they aren't so starry eyed to believe that the mountain will go to Mohammed that engendered this upset?
Nah, let's ask my shut-in friends on 2ch what they have to say.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:05:34 2009 No.3633468 >>3633439 gb2/morningcoffee/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:06:34 2009 No.3633478 >>3633429 >Fuck off, the cancer grows at an accelerated rate now. No, you are the cancer that's killing this thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:07:34 2009 No.3633484 >>3633460 >Blame the guy who reads too much mornincoffee, not us. Fuck off, you proceed to then bring your whole fucking task force to try and hide all your tactics. Never a clean victory because your management is founded upon trickery.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:07:34 2009 No.3633485 File: 46 KB, 148x154, Captura de pantalla 2009-09-27 a las 02.16.29.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633398 HE KNOWS!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:09:34 2009 No.3633501 File: 349 KB, 800x533, 1256407603061.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633484 >clean victory Have you bought your five copies yet?

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:11:34 2009 No.3633525

I used to be a huge MM fan, but now I can't even watch one of their videos without turning it off halfway. If you diehard fans keep accepting this kinda quality, than they will keep giving it to you.

I think Morning musume is following the Family Guy Method, they pick 3 random things and make a skit about it.

This is how the last Morning musume video shoot was decided.

"Let's see we could make an awesome video about princesses in this new single, but naah let's pick some stuff out of a hat...

1. Old abandoned ball room... Check!

2. Cowboy attire... Check!

3. Random hand flame... Check!

4. Chimpunk voiced... Check!"

Well...lets make that video !

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:12:34 2009 No.3633530 >>3633525 TOO LONG DIDNT READ!!!!!

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:19:19 2009 No.3633579 [DELETED]

>>3633484
>tactics

So now Anecdotal evidence = Proof that everyone does the same thing?
No, I'm not following you. What you have shown me and what you're gabbing about for about a hour is proof that some guy went out of his way to buy 100 copies, which are still nothing to the 179,000 copies sold in the first week.

Furthermore, I can't help but laugh at your delusions that other idolfags do just the same, or that I'm supposed to be somebody else's keeper. I guess this is your knee-jerk response to Morning Musume selling worse than usual.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:21:10 2009 No.3633593 [DELETED]

>>3633484
>tactics

So now Anecdotal evidence = Proof that everyone does the same thing?
No, I'm not following you. What you have shown me and what you're gabbing about for about a hour is proof that some guy went out of his way to buy 100 copies, which are still nothing next to the 179,000 copies sold in the first week.

Furthermore, I can't help but laugh at your delusions that other idolfags do just the same, or that I'm supposed to be somebody else's keeper. I guess this is your knee-jerk response to Morning Musume selling worse than usual.
"It's not that they are unpopular, it's that we limited ourselves to buy just one copy each because we like seeing our group sink in its shit". Ahahahah, maybe next time. Maybe.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:22:34 2009 No.3633595

>>3633484
>tactics

So now Anecdotal evidence = Proof that everyone does the same thing?
No, I'm not following you. What you have shown me and what you're gabbing about for about a hour is proof that some guy went out of his way to buy 100 copies, which are still nothing next to the 179,000 copies sold in the first week.

Furthermore, I can't help but laugh at your delusions that other idolfags don't do just the same, or that I'm supposed to be somebody else's keeper. I guess this is your knee-jerk response to Morning Musume selling worse than usual.
"It's not that they are unpopular, it's that we limited ourselves to buy just one copy each because we like seeing our group sink in its shit". Ahahahah, maybe next time. Maybe,

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:23:34 2009 No.3633604 >>3633286 >http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/4419175/ Wow, intense, it sounds all so manipulative and evil. I knew something funny was going on but not the specific details.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:25:34 2009 No.3633621 >>3633313 >What does that open box of CDs have to do with your point This is the same thing I might ask you. What does your an open box mean that mine doesn't? It seems like it's too small to hold 179,000 copies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:26:34 2009 No.3633630 File: 69 KB, 849x482, Captura de pantalla 2009-10-29 a las 19.24.41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WHY H!P PV's SUCK SO BAD!! I BET THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANYTHING BEHIND A GREEN SCREEN OR A SINGLE SCENARIO

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:28:34 2009 No.3633639 >>3633595 179 * 100 = 17,900 17,900 * 10 = 179,000 ----------------------------------- 1,790 fans wwwwwww

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:31:34 2009 No.3633652 >>3633630 But didn't you see that flame animation? It's state of the art computer graphics!

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:35:34 2009 No.3633683 >>3633639 Not sure if trolling or retarded, when you step into an idolfag thread you can never be too sure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:37:34 2009 No.3633692 File: 223 KB, 880x1260, 17T_0318.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm going to leave this here. She will restore calm while all the factions leave our thread and fight their fights elsewhere. /jp/ is not responsible for the wotas of 2ch.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:39:34 2009 No.3633714
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>>3633484
>clean victory
We're talking about idol groups here, there is no "clean victory". It's either luck of the draw that an idol group finds a way to gain favor with the public (and then rides the resulting profits to keep that favor for as long as they can), or the fans are dedicated enough to inflate the sales. That's how idol groups get on the charts.

Right now, AKB seems to have found that "special something" that the public loves at the moment and is essentially in their equivalent of MM's golden era. Sucks a little for MM and those who support them, but we've honestly had our time in the limelight. Morning Musume is still doing just fine. Nowhere near what they once were, but still charting very well and chugging along.

Anyone who says that the current situation with AKB and MM's sales is the demise of Morning Musume is either a troll or stupid. We've got a good long while before this flame goes out.

And, on that note, my contribution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:41:34 2009 No.3633728 Good night. Argument ENDED.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:43:34 2009 No.3633753 >>3633714 That special something it's call KING RECORDS since AKB moved from Defstar to King Records they sales start getting pretty well

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:44:34 2009 No.3633762 >>3633692 No thank you, /jp/ doesn't accept idolfags, particularly those who imagine themselves to be part of /jp/. Pssh.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:47:34 2009 No.3633781 >>3633753 King Records? I buy a lot of my pop music published by them.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:47:34 2009 No.3633784

>>3633714
>It's either luck of the draw that an idol group finds a way to gain favor with the public
Umm, no, if anything this demonstrates it is not luck, it is careful planning.

>essentially in their equivalent of MM's golden era
In their minds it is but they could never hit the heights of that era without the selling tactics discussed previously.

>Anyone who says that the current situation with AKB and MM's sales is the demise of Morning Musume is either a troll or stupid.
This again is the heart of the issue, for a lot of their fans its not about the music at all, its about the war, and they fight in a particularly dirty manner.

The general public should know about this first before claiming some unbelievable achievement.

>Nowhere near what they once were, but still charting very well and chugging along.
I agree but I just can't stand the fact that everything AKB does now has some attachment with Musume.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:47:34 2009 No.3633785
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>>3633753
Perhaps that's true. I can't claim to know specifically what AKB's special something is, and I honestly don't want to. But it's there, obviously, or RIVER wouldn't have sold like it did. I'm a hardcore MM fan and even I can admit that. We're not all delusional.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:50:34 2009 No.3633807 >>3633525 Family Guy was a cartoon, not a music video.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:51:34 2009 No.3633816 >>3633789 >jphip forum image I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE GOTCHA

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:55:34 2009 No.3633843

You guys do realize that MM is only really catering to the wota now?

And even mentioning that you like H!P is pretty embarassing, since no one likes them anymore? H!P has no reason to cater to anyone else, because the wotas keep them afloat anyway (regardless of quality). So MM won't die, but it definitely won't get any better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:55:34 2009 No.3633849 File: 943 KB, 2631x1600, 01-02-03.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WHY CAN WE BE FRIENDS?

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:56:34 2009 No.3633850

>>3633305
So anyone expanding the business beyond what UFA is capable of right now means cheating?

Sorry man, but business is business and drawing lines in the sand so to give your favorite underdog some sort of moral high ground means nothing in the world of idol groups.

You have to let the customer make the choice. Companies live off of consumers and the day a company thinks they own the consumer and it's guaranteed he'll never dump you is the day that company is doomed to fail.
UFA thought that with the growing competition they would still keep all of their fans close despite cranking out low quality products and giving nothing in return to rheir dedication, and boy if they were wrong.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 21:59:34 2009 No.3633868 >>3633843 >>3633849 >>3633850 GET OUT!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:00:34 2009 No.3633875 Checking out the KP PV now, nice visual effects.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:01:34 2009 No.3633880 File: 23 KB, 96x96, nowailj2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633868 HOW ABOUT NO?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:02:34 2009 No.3633888 >>3633850 Trust me, I've complained about this time again. But no one ever wants to listen to the low budget of their music albums, despite me being a loyal MM fan. ;_;

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:03:34 2009 No.3633896
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>>3633784
>Umm, no, if anything this demonstrates it is not luck, it is careful planning.
My bad for using the term luck, I guess. Call it what you like.

>In their minds it is but they could never hit the heights of that era without the selling tactics discussed previously.
With you on that one, although the degree of success is pretty much irrelevant. AKB is in their prime right now, popularity wise...much like MM was in the early 2000's.

>the selling tactics discussed previously
It's pretty clear that AKB is the sneakier of the two. Even some of the AKB fans I've talked to have said they're not fond of the company's marketing tactics. But as I said in >>3633714...they're idol groups, it's honestly not about fighting fair and there is no clean victory.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:05:34 2009 No.3633902 >>3633485 Who is this???

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:07:34 2009 No.3633906 >>3633896 Did she just get out of the hospital or what? Hollow black circled eyes and front teeth showing through her half open dried lips. o_O Post something better, please.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:09:34 2009 No.3633919 >>3633906 wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Fuck you. That's the way she looks all the time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:11:34 2009 No.3633926 File: 896 KB, 853x1280, 005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633906 What's that? Post more? Why, I'd be happy to.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:15:34 2009 No.3633946

>>3633784
>The general public should know about this first before claiming some unbelievable achievement.

Strange how this sound exactly like something liften from a conspiracy theorist's rambling, isn't it?

I think that their rise in popularity wouldn't be all that unusual if you got the facts right instead of obsessing over tickets and handshake events as though they have been their prerogative.

Boy, oh boy. What could have contributed to this twist of fate? The fact that last October they started SKE and expanded their business beyond the confines of the Tokyo area? The fact they moved from an incompetent CD publisher to one worth its salt? The fact they started broadcasting their programs on a national scale, and since then they have happily outlasted three failed H!P programs and are being watched by more people than all of them combined? The fact there's always an AKB girl on TV these days whereas H!P can barely afford sending in Sayumi as some odd guest for a late night show?
And the list goes on... The fact of the matter is, wota alone can only take you so far. This was painfully proven when they started and by Morning Musume's current situation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:18:34 2009 No.3633961 File: 36 KB, 155x156, Naoki-Yamasaki-ONYANKO-CLUB-I-DIDNT-COPY-THE-IDEA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633902

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:18:34 2009 No.3633964 >>3633946 There is only response to this issue now, investigate River sales.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:22:34 2009 No.3633982 >>3633926 Oh you. Go back to morning coffee please.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:23:34 2009 No.3633985

>>3633896
>AKB is the sneakier of the two

Riddle me this, who was so balls-less as to provide these flimsy excuses for the sudden graduation of their members, right after photos exposing their tryst with some guy appeared on scandal rags across Japan?
"Leaving to continue schooling and lead a private life"
"Leaving due to bunion problems"

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:26:34 2009 No.3634007 >>3633926 I agree with previous poster that she really needs a makeover, not good for morning health when they look like this. Oh mai waifus.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:26:34 2009 No.3634009 File: 33 KB, 149x155, Naoki-MORNING-MUSUME-SALES-ARE-OVER-9000.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633961

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:27:34 2009 No.3634013 >>3633964 I'm game, want to jump on the Mystery Mobile and ride across Japan?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:29:34 2009 No.3634028 >>3633964 unfortunately, 2ch jumped on this 2 single ago. it probably led to oricon changing the handshake sales rules back in september, which might have led to MM doing less handshakes this time around

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:30:34 2009 No.3634036 >>3634013 Nope, just notify authorities about illegal and insidious sales pyramids to inflate sales, strip their numbers until a full investigation is done. Then parade AKB management out in front of public and demand apology.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:31:34 2009 No.3634039 >>3633784 >without the selling tactics No dedicated programs. No multiple editions. No handshake events. No concerts. No wotas. 2ch only. Final destination.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:37:34 2009 No.3634069 >>3633964 link please.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:39:34 2009 No.3634079 File: 28 KB, 426x304, 1256858013564.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:39:34 2009 No.3634086 File: 51 KB, 356x993, maki4337.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Stand the fuck back! I'm gonna watch my first AKB48 pv ever! And what the hell happened to this thread?

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:44:54 2009 No.3634110 [DELETED]

>>3634036

Wait, so let me get this straight.
So not only am I, a regular customer, spared the trouble of buying four different versions of the same single to get all the bonus content because everything - DVDs and insets - is already included in the regular edition normally sold in store, and I get a ticket to a handshake event as opposed to a lottery ticket that might or might not guarantee me a place there... but as an added plus I can also make my opinion be heard and rest assured that my decision won't be discarded as soon as it reaches the headquarters. And this is worse than how H!P fans are treated how exactly?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:48:34 2009 No.3634133 File: 18 KB, 391x349, 1249970415621.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3634069 Currently compiling evidence. Please submit any information you know of this to the Police.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:49:34 2009 No.3634136

>>3634036

Wait, let me get this straight.
So not only am I, a regular customer, spared the trouble of buying four different versions of the same single to get all the bonus content because everything - from DVDs to insets - is already included in the regular edition normally sold in stores, and I also get a ticket to a handshake event as opposed to a lottery ticket that might or might not guarantee me a place there... but as an added plus I can even make my opinion be heard and rest assured that my decision won't be discarded as soon as it reaches the top brass.
And this is worse than the tratment H!P fans get how, exactly?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:50:34 2009 No.3634147 >>3634086 >What happened to this thread? Revelations Maki fag, revelations.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:52:34 2009 No.3634155 >>3634036 >illegal Does H!P lay down the law now? That's news to me.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:55:34 2009 No.3634177

>>3634136
>even make a profit off a purposely made management decision to make it seem like my opinion be heard but created a group structure where its impossible to see all the girls at once and fuel profit generating vote counts to determine what general appeal should already do.
fix'd that for you

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 22:58:34 2009 No.3634193 ITT Oh noes, rival company gives more to their fans than mine. It's a ponzi scheme, I tell you! Let me whine on an American imageboard, this will surely change sales in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:00:34 2009 No.3634210 >>3634193 ITT: Industry fraud reigned in by consumer advocates

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:10:34 2009 No.3634260 File: 415 KB, 2678x1279, 1238195103792.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just when this place was finally slowing down slightly, forum fags decided to barge in.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:14:34 2009 No.3634277

>>3634210
For that matter, the consumers have already decreed that Morning Musume is not to their liking anymore long ago.
You can call out on other's business, but it's a working one. Sadly that's something I can't really say of H!P's, and there's no amount of denial and appeal to the old times that can give it some sort of edge.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:14:34 2009 No.3634280 File: 163 KB, 600x800, 2009-10-22T14 39 44-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3634260 Personally, I don't like it too slow. And certain things were discovered through this ugly process.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:16:34 2009 No.3634285 >>3634277 That doesn't change the practice fraud going on in your camp. Come back when your sheets are clean.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:18:34 2009 No.3634295
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>>3634147
Gotcha, Anon.

More weird Maki chart news:
"with..." was released months and months ago for download only, no physical release what so ever, youtube promotion blah blah. It did good as a download IIRC and charted pretty high, but ofcouse fell off in time. Now later in the year 2525 it's being used as a ED for some night time j-drama crap and BAM, the song has jumped up to 2nd place. People like downloading Maki songs apparently.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:18:34 2009 No.3634297 >>3634285 The "fraud" being?

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:26:09 2009 No.3634331 [DELETED]

>>3634177
>what general appeal should already do

So, how am I supposed to gauge this appeal if not by asking the customer, who's the only true judge in this regard?

Also, I think the problem at the bottom of your reasoning is that you haven't yet realized that whereas Morning Musume's survives solely on CD sales, AKB's true place of business is their multiple theaters and the sales of their singles, which are still used as little more than standard promotion, represent but a small fraction of their actual income.
Man, I wonder why their B-side is paired with a song randomly chosen from the hundrends performed in the theater. Or why over the last year they spun off two new groups and expanded their habitual theater to one sitting 800 people a day (and they still have trouble with all the reservations).
Clearly those managers only have single sales in their mind.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:26:34 2009 No.3634332
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>>3634295
>it's being used as a ED for some night time j-drama crap and BAM, the song has jumped up to 2nd place.
Seems somebody has been reading the Maki threads more often lately.
Do you have a youtube link to the song?

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:28:34 2009 No.3634342

>>3634177
>what general appeal should already do

So, how am I supposed to gauge this appeal if not by asking the customer, who's the only true judge in this regard?

Also, I think the problem at the bottom of your reasoning is that you haven't yet realized that whereas Morning Musume's survives solely on CD sales, AKB's true place of business is their multiple theaters and the sales of their singles, which are still used as little more than standard promotion, represent but a small fraction of their actual income.
Man, I wonder why all their B-sides are paired with a song randomly plucked from the hundrends performed on stage. Or why over the last year they spun off two new groups and expanded their habitual theater to one sitting 800 people a day (and they still have trouble with all the reservations).
Clearly those managers only have single sales in their mind.

If anything, they just showed faggots like you that they can beat H!P at their own game while keeping their eyes on something else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:29:33 2009 No.3634351 >>3634331 Return to your forum.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:31:34 2009 No.3634362 >>3634342 Return to your forum.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:31:34 2009 No.3634363
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>>3634280
>I don't like it too slow.
It's not a bad thing to have a little more patience, and when things go faster, anon usually doesn't get a lot of time to think for his posts. Also I found the over all quality for the past 30 threads to be really low, I've been saving them lately, so I won't have to go through easymodo. I'll upload it in a bit, give yourself a read, firefox is recommended, you can use others too but it'll look odd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:32:34 2009 No.3634371 >>3634362 So you haven't any rebuttal now? At least show us what this "fraud" is, so I can have a laugh at it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:34:34 2009 No.3634380 >>3634371 The fraud is that some people buy multiple copies. Only H!P bros are allowed to, it's our knack.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:35:34 2009 No.3634388 File: 40 KB, 600x450, with1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3634332 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWbSchIT2ZE

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:37:34 2009 No.3634402 What a surprise. Yet another thread ruined.............

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:37:34 2009 No.3634407
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>>3634363
Lol, telling me to read the threads. Don't worry I have. And if you haven't noticed we have been consistently trolled for the last 2 months heavily. And all this KP fodder is just ridiculous.

Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:49:34 2009 No.3634472
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>>3634407
Ah no, the threads I saved look exactly like your browsing through the thread, doesn't look like easymodo, firefox is beautiful like that.
As for this KP talk, it wreaks of forum speak, pretty annoying to read. Anyway, few things to do, back in a bit.

Here's the thread list.
http://rapidshare.com/files/299834529/jp.rar.html
I should renew my account, only 10 downloads before it's deleted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:55:34 2009 No.3634514 >>3634388 Yep that makes for a good J-Drama ending song. What show was it for?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 29 23:57:34 2009 No.3634536 >>3634514 http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Jyouou

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:00:34 2009 No.3634548
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>>3634402

Lesson one: Don't call people out on buying multiple copies when every idolfags does just the same. Stone, glass house, etc...

Lesson two: Learn how other idol groups work. What I've seen here is people thinking that AKB profits exclusively off CD sales, or that singles are their sole outlets. All of which raises a huge red flag that whoever is running his mouth off has now fucking clue about anything outside his secluded fandom.

Everything else is dodgy speculation people want to pass off as fact or normal behavior because it suits their loserrific bias, butthurt and holier-than-thou attitude.

P.S.: I buy no merchandise whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:04:34 2009 No.3634575 LOL at those "doom" and "fraud" comments. Kimagure Princess' fiasco is easy as ABC: Bad single + Bad concept + Bad PV + Bad promotion + No outlet = Bad sales Easy enough for everybody to understand.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:08:34 2009 No.3634596 >>3634548 >>3634575 Return to forums, don't fucking return here.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:14:34 2009 No.3634618

>>3634210
ITT anyone outselling Morning Musume is a fraud, the use of promotions and bonuses contravenes unpopular Hello!Project profiteering tactics so it's "illegal", and starting a smear campaign against my sworn enemies in a board that doesn't even care about idolfags or their petty spats is clearly a smart idea.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:15:34 2009 No.3634621 >>3634618 ITT: We're so desperate to make our pyramid scheme look legitimate..

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:19:34 2009 No.3634631 File: 145 KB, 709x961, 1239464395919.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3634618 >>3634621 >ITT: hmm, take your /b/ talk elsewhere, faggots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:21:34 2009 No.3634639 >>3634596 No, I think I'll stay here some more. As for you, keep drawing lines in the sand and wonder why people keep crossing them.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:34:34 2009 No.3634712
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>>3634639
Oh wise sage, explain to me why I need to be berated by trolls hoisting their inflated sales over their heads.

I reported all these off topic trolls well before this shit storm took place.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:38:21 2009 No.3634748 [DELETED]

>>3634621
>pyramid scheme

Except not?
Causation != Correlation.
They keep including tickets and all sorts of bonuses in their singles because that's been their way of promotion since day one, and putting a glass wall between the fans and the girls right now just like H!P does isn't in their best interests for the growt of their fanbase.
But the actual rise in popularity occurred much later and concurrently with the events listed here >>3633946 , so get over it and suck it up.
Want to know a thing that AKB has and Morning Musume doesn't? A firm foothold in mainstream media. Trust me, it works miracles.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:40:34 2009 No.3634760

>>3634621
>pyramid scheme

Except not?
Causation != Correlation.
They keep including tickets and all sorts of bonuses in their singles because that's been their way of promotion since day one, and because putting a glass wall between the fans and the girls right now just like H!P does isn't in their best interests for the growth of their fanbase.
But the actual rise in popularity occurred much later and concurrently with the events listed here >>3633946 , so get over it and suck it up.
Want to know a thing that AKB has and Morning Musume doesn't? A firm foothold in mainstream media. Trust me, it works miracles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:42:34 2009 No.3634772 >>3634712 >inflated sales "Yo man, let's outsell Ayumi Hamasaki. Get all five editions to keep Morning Musume prospering". Hypocrisy ahoy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:43:34 2009 No.3634778 i cant believe this guy is trolling the akbtroll so hard

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:45:34 2009 No.3634786 File: 484 KB, 1280x720, offgaki3254.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3634760 See >>3633286

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:48:34 2009 No.3634802 >>3634772 Yo man, same thing I said 5 threads ago stands.

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:50:34 2009 No.3634816
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>>3634778
>akbtroll

Yo, you talking about me?
Actually I was chilling out around here just looking for an argument so that I could shit up this thread. It's sad that I always end up striking up one with the same person, because his knowledge doesn't really go any further than making wild speculations on sales.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:55:34 2009 No.3634833 >>3634816 so do you even like akb or do you just take their side for the sake of arguing with h!p fans?

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:58:57 2009 No.3634839 [DELETED]

>>3634802
That forcing the customer to buy five versions of the same single = Good
But including everything into a single release for standard price plus OH GOD FREE HANDSHAKE EVENT, THE DEVIL INCARNATE! = Bad?

>>3634786
I don't see how this has any bearing on the matter. Form an opinion on your own, will ya?

Anonymous Fri Oct 30 00:59:34 2009 No.3634843

>>3634802
That forcing the customer to buy five versions of the same single = Good
But including everything into a single release for standard price plus OH GOD FREE HANDSHAKE TICKET, THE DEVIL INCARNATE! = Bad?

>>3634786
I don't see how this has any bearing on the matter. Form an opinion on your own, will ya?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 30 01:06:34 2009 No.3634856 File: 562 KB, 1537x2300, ZzZZZZzzzZ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Good night wotas and trolls. I'm hoping for a shitton of posts when I wake up. Apart from the very shitty first minute River isn't bad at all.

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