Japanese Language

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Has /jp/ tried learning Japanese?

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ここで日本語ができない人が多いよね
10年間以上ここでうろついてたくせに

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>>35998031
Of course not, that's like asking /m/ if they learned how to dance the robot.

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子供時に、ポケモンカードが分かるのためにひらがなやカタカナを学んだけど、文法がよく分からなかった。たくさん年後、キュアドリー先生を見つけた。今、毎日アンキで勉強して、たまに先生の映像をまた見る。

でも、まだ学んでるよ。

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>>35998828
不自然しぎてワロタ

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敵のおならは臭いけど味方のおならは臭くない、それは俺のたった一つの導く概念です。

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What's the best way to start?

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>>36001591

1. Learn hiragana and katakana
2. Watch Cure Dolly's videos for grammar
3. Learn some basic vocab.
4. Download Anki, and make a blank deck.
5. Start immersing yourself in Japanese. Play Japanese video games, watch Japanese anime with Japanese subtitles (not English subtitles. You can get Jsubs through sites like Animelon), and read manga in Japanese. When you encounter words that you don't know, add them to your Anki deck.
6. Do Anki drills every day to retain the words you have learned through immersion.

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>>36001591
Immediately, hiragana and katakana.
Then learn some grammar. Then kanji+vocab (wanikani is great, but not free), while reviewing/improving grammar.
Once you get to the kanji+vocab stage, start reading manga and VNs.
Textractor will help you with getting the text out of VNs.
Careful: Absolutely do not use machine translation of any sort, ever.
Watching anime w/o subs or with jp subs, watching jp vtubers and so on might also help, but focus on manga+VNs.
>>36002069
tae kim for grammar, you blasphemer.

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I've tried, but I'm too stupid to learn the characters.

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>>36004887
No such thing.
Even subhumans can handle memorization.
Your problem is lack of willpower and/or discipline, and nothing else than that.

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車道側 is my favorite JP word of all time. They say it completely innocently, but it sounds to me like they're saying Shadow Side and it makes me giggle every time. Very chuuni of me, I know.

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>>36005471
Japanese is the perfect language for chuuni bullshit

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>>36005485
This. If there's one thing the language is good at, it's over-dramatization in a non cringy way

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>>36005485
Kingdom Hearts comes to mind when I think of incredibly chuuni dialogue.

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>>35998031
it is seriously way too hard and a waste of time really

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>>36011121
Yep, if you're not an ultra weeb or don't have an iron will to slog through the mental torture that is kanji learning you're better off not even starting.

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>>36011226
Learning the English meaning of the ~2000 basic kanji is not that hard. Learning ten times that many compounds is pretty daunting, but at least makes sense most of the time. Learning the correct readings of the compounds is insane.

But learning the basic kanji is fun! Starting to be able to decode some of the kanji you see is very cool.

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>>35998031
出来る'ing is a lot of fun, and if you fail, eh, it was 無理 anyway

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>>35998031
Only gays learn Japanese. Real chads read in translated version.

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日本語の
勉強は
一生の戦い

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>>36011975
出たぁーー！！ ナイス名言、名無し！

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>>36012004
ありがとう、自分

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>>36011975
>>36012004
>>36012056
ワロタ

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>>36011975
どうして戦いって言うんだ？
楽しめば良いんだよ

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>>36012099
ゲイ発見

ちゃんと金玉持ってる？？

戦うことは楽しいだよ？

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愚かな負け犬どもだ

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>>36012158
>ゲイ発見
爆笑ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

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>>35998031
tried? yes
continued? no
comprehension is enough for me.

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>>36002069
>>36004860
I think that tae kim is good, but I think Michiel Kamermans does a better job explaining grammar. He goes into how modern Japanese developed from earlier Japanese, which is very helpful in not only remembering how things are, but also why.

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Those who can, chunk.
Those who can't, study grammar.
Simple as.

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If you know the 日本語 and know 自分, you need not fear the result of a hundred 漢字. If you know 自分 but not the 日本語, for every reading gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither how to feel nor how to delete anki, you will succumb in every battle.

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I begun "learning" Japanese in 2017 but didnt get interested until 2019 . In 4 years with absolutely 0 effort to try to learn or memorize, i can halfway understand casual talk, i can halfway read hiragana and i know all the basic kanji like tree, moon, rain, ect . All of this without ever trying once besides a 20 minute session when i was younger. And in this experiment, I've found it gets easier as you go on . I'm going to have a wonderful time learning hiragana soon when i finally take it seriously. But still , my early 20s were lost to apathy. I found drugs and depression fuck everything up. Drinking is for sailors and people with no ambitions. I must quit drinking soon. In conclusion, if you completely quit white media , you will force your brain to learn japanese slowly. The brain is a curious muscle that gets interested in finding meaning when it sees the same reporting objects. READ YUKIO MISHIMA. BUY A MICROSCOPE TO HONOR THE SHOWA EMPEROR. LONG LIVE JAPANESE AMMO NO MISA DESU

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>>36013774
I will investigate that, thanks.
Reviewing my grammar wouldn't hurt.

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>>36004860

>tae kim for grammar
Tae Kim has some weird ideas like not thinking が is properly the subject particle. Cure Dolly's model is consistent and equivalent to the grammar lessons you would expect a Japanese student to be learning in Japanese schools.

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>>36017921
Is cure dolly a larp?

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>>36004887
Don't be too obsessed with learning how to write them. Being able to just read them is just as fun. Just do it.

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I started like a week ago. I've been reading Tae Kim, learned my ひらがな and カタカナ and I've started cranking out the Anki deck.
I don't know but I just decided to bite the bullet a week ago despite being into otaku shit for more than over a decade and probably more than half my life at this point. I can't wait to see how far I get before I inevitably give up and get filtered out.

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>>36017921
>equivalent to the grammar lessons you would expect a Japanese student to be learning in Japanese schools
Why would someone who doesn't know a lick of Japanese want something equivalent to the grammar lessons an already fluent speaker receives?

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>>36024994
she says in her videos u learn japanese and go back to the videos to refresh ur memory and u keep doing it over and over , playing the game , read the manual

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>>36024994

Because it is useful for understanding the underlying structure of the language. Japanese is a very logical language, but when you try to view it through the lens of English grammar, it appears to be full of inconsistencies. Cure Dolly, rather than trying to shoehorn Japanese language constructs into English or any other language, shows how the language works within its own model.

>>36021701

She is either an old lady, or someone using a voice changer, using a vtuber-like avatar and larping as an android. The lessons are real, however. I'll grant that she can drone off a bit about how bad a lot of the textbooks for teaching Japanese are, but her model is rock solid for understanding how Japanese works.

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>>36025096
But what good is any of that if you don't know how to say kore wa pen desu yet? Grammar lessons for natives are merely explaining things that you already understand intimately and intuitively, they don't actually teach you the language

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>>36025118
grammar helps u understand sentences and u build comprehension and vocabulary by understanding the grammar, if u just learn words with no context u are gonna forget them

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is it even worth it? i feel like even if i try really hard at best i will be able to speak it like a robot 5 year old and still no matter what i do i would be an inferior subhuman in any japanese environment online or otherwise. so far i've only learned to read hiragana and some short contextual phrases that i often hear in anime.

question: are all words that are written in katakana derived from a foreign language? would learning to read it also mean i would also understand it?

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>>36025332
learn katakana and kanji and no u wont understand all katakana words but if u look them up u can learn them as u go since its a syllable system instead of kanji, also use cure dollies vids and this site https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html

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>>36025332
Some katakana words can also be sounds, like a dog barking, or even native Japanese words just spelled in katakana, this is somewhat common for words for animals. Not all katakana words are easily understandable, some can be from languages other than English or just very far from the English.

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>>36004887
i mean if your brain can comprehend your mother tongue and the latin alphabet then you probably are capable of learning these sorts of things

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>>36025391
even a retard can understand english , japanese is not as simple as u think u would need to understand every particle kanji and word u encounter before ur able to read anything

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>>36025118

You still learn how to say kore wa pen desu. You just learn what "wa" means as an actual grammatical construct instead of just saying "put it after the subject/topic" and not explaining what those are.

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>>36025411
Japanese is hard because you need to understand it before you can understand it. Incredible insight from someone who can't spell the word "you"

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>>36025411
what meant is statistically i doubt people born in japan are any smarter, its only nurture, maybe as you age it's more difficult to learn but by default any human should be able to learn it with enough practice

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>>36025592
All languages are of equal complexity (i.e. you can express infinite things with a finite set of rules) and children learn any language without even trying. The thing that makes Japanese "harder" than say, Spanish, is being a native English speaker. It takes us longer to learn a second language the more dissimilar it is to the languages we already speak. A Korean would have a much easier time learning Japanese than Spanish because Korean grammar is already quite similar to Japanese.

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You will never be Japanese. You have no ancestry, you have no citizenship, you have no skills that would make Japan ever want you. You are a shut-in self-hating white man twisted by delusions of mythical Japanese superiority and exposure to Japanese media into a disgusting mockery of nature’s perfection. All 'validation' you get from other people in this position couldn't be worse in making you believe that spending years of your life learning a globally useless language to a first-grader's level was a worthwhile use of your time, but one can't expect that an individual as pathetic as you will ever know the value of the youth you threw away in doing that. Actual Japanese are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of linguistic evolution have allowed natives to identify frauds from mannerisms and vocabulary alone. Even if your written text of self-hatred and attention begging akin to a stray dog's somehow passes as normal (it won't), any Japanese person will immediately cut all ties when they hear the voice and accent of someone who is not only a basic Japanese speaker at best, but worth no more than garbage in skills, accomplishments, and likeability. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile and laugh to yourself believing that watching a content creator that you understand 20% of at best is somehow superior than watching your own kind, as you project your disgusting traits onto your entire kind. However, deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight, and you know that. You know that all you do now is have an entirely new linguistic medium in which to be ignored, and not even the exotic trait of being foreign makes up for just how uninteresting of a person you are. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss.

Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a Western man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably Caucasian. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back. Hate yourself and apologize for being white to some Japanese entity that exists only in your mind while actual Japanese people put in effort to learn English for the valid reason of it being the global language.

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>>36025790
u can end up surpassing native speakers and reading novels that not even natives understand if u spend enough time on it the same reason non native english speakers are sometimes better at knowing the rules because they actually studied

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If you can't even learn Japanese you really are a failure.
自殺を検討した方が良さそう

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djtよりこっちの方が言語勉強の話で盛り上がるｗｗ
もうdjtいらねぇんじゃね

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>>36025790
>>>/pol/

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>>36025790
Holy based I will be white!
In your face racists, you said I'd never be so!

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What is the measure/counter word for a carton of eggs/卵カートン?
点? Like 2点 for 2 cartons?

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>>36027864
２パックで良いよ

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I started learning Chinese instead
But it was a mistake.
I can't stop hearing the 4 tones everywhere
and I can't stop saying 马 in my head

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two tips for learning japanese
dont learn grammar or kanji unless you are fluent
ignore it
it is the beast

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>>36028035

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>>36028035
>>36028039

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>>36028049
i dont take my learning advice from some dude from the 1700s

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>>36028097
Who do you take it from?

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>>36028141
people who know what the scientific method is

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>>36028200
And how many languages do those people speak?

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>>36028224
certainly many more than any one person could ever hope to learn in their lifetime

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>>36028200
Academics still teach binary branching. Scientific discourse breaks down and devolves into people sniffing their own farts all the time. Can't 'trust the science' when it isn't clear the self-proclaimed scientists give a damn about methodology, critical discourse, falsifiability, etc..
On a lot of topics the best sources are still hundreds of years old, even though we should be able to do better.

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>>36028249
Holy based

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>>36002069
I forgot to tell him that he should do steps 2 to 6 simultaneously.

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Read
All
The
Time
And
Take
Amphetamines

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>>36013774
>He goes into how modern Japanese developed from earlier Japanese
Nice, putting a topic into historical context makes learning more natural for me. Thanks for the recommendation.

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>>36001591
I learned hiragana + katakana in a week by spamming flashcards and reviewing them constantly, that's the easy part
The hard part is how to into grammar, vocab, and kanji as >>36002069 >>36004860 said. I agree with the immersion strategy, and I also recommend you invest in a Japanese language textbook of some kind that eases you into grammar and kanji since that can be irritating. McGraw Hill has a good collegiate-level one written by some IBM exec that I found useful. If the, like, $40 for that is out of your budget, though, there are loads of free resources on jewtube and elsewhere.

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>>36016984
>4 years
>can't read hiragana
あなたはバカですか?

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Anyone else has no problem remembering kanji they look up by themselves but can't remember shit from Anki decks?

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石の上にも三年

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幼女にを私の顔座って欲しい

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>>36050179
悲しい。