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Cute and friendly youkai lady!
>>35856989Cute, friendly, AND deadly Youkai Lady
Another Yuuka thread! *protects balls*
>>35856989Nobody likes Yuuka!
The cheerful flower lady.
>>35856989Evil! Scary! Old! Sadistic! Run away! Avoid!
Yuuka is a good role model.
I see my advice has protected yet more humans. No need to thank me!
yuuka has 2 threads!
>>35857836I want to wipe those tears away and make her happy
>friendly youkaiNo such thing. They're all evil!
>>35863992Yuuka is the exception
>>35856989Just what /jp/ needed! a fourth Yuuka thread!/jp/ - Yuuka Culture!!
>>35858088Yuuka has no mercy for copycats.
>>35867236I prefer the copycat desu
>>35857877What makes her a good role model?
>>35869498Powerful, graceful, likes to mess with people.
>>35869500Friendlier than most
Would you help Yuuka replant her garden?
>>35876447Yeah. I grew sunflowers because of Yuuka once, I'd be happy to help.
>>35876447Gardening is for girls
>>35877710Gardening is for everyone.
>>35877733But mostly for women
I want her to do cruel things to my testicles
>>35877856Plebty of men garden.
>>35877856Plenty of men garden.
>>35876447I'd be scared for whoever did that
>>35877710Then why do some men do it? Farming is just glorified gardening. Are farmers pansies?
>>35877893Nobody is going to do cruel things to your testicles.
>>35880265I'd say farming is more masculine because it can provide for one's family, gardening is mostly just a hobby for bored housewives and always has been
>>35880364You can also grow food while gardening, it's not just growing flowers. Although growing flowers is fun.
>>35880570Aside from that farming is also much more work as well in regards to physical labor. At least in pre-industrial eras.
Why does yuuka attract the biggest autists (besides kogasa and tenshi)
>>35881372They see Yuuka as a reflection of themselves.
>>35881372She doesn't reallyHonestly, I can't think of any particularly autistic yuukafags on the website
>>35881372And that's bad how, you ugly crossoid normaltard? It's the autists that make all the OC
>>35881617You must've not been around for very long, then.
>>35881774Give me an example of one
>>35881832Not him but, yklvr
>>35876478How did the sunflowers turn out? I wonder if Yuuka would let you eat the seeds of her sunflowers after they wilt. Recently I dreamed of her getting mad at me for picking herbs in her meadows without permission. That dream actually unsettled me a little since the day before I had it, I went foraging for St. John's wort to put in my new batch of cyser.>>35880570Growing flowers (preferably medicinal ones) or fruit trees and keeping bees at the same time is a god-tier combination for producing god-tier mead.
>>35885552The sunflowers went well for the most part, but I wasn't prepared to have to fight off countless caterpillars. I want to grow them again, and next time I'll be better prepared.
>>35886304It was birds for me. Some net around the blossom, fixed the problem for the most part.
>>35885552i remember you from the second last dream thread, did you have a drink already?
>>35887393I pitched it on the 13th of July so not yet. It's gonna be drinkable in around 6 months if it finishes sweet and in about 2 years if dry. So far it smells of blooming meadows, honey and ripe apples so I guess Yuuka approves.
Am I allowed to fap to 3dpd illusion games yuuka lewds?
>>35888652Post link so we could evaluate them.
>>35864005is it odd i always interpret that as " hey yuuka get off your ass and go terrorize some humans instead of being stationary in your old age"
>>35889445I personally interpret it as Yuuka being a genuinely peaceful person who is merely misunderstood but then again I have based the entire core of my happiness around the idea of Yuuka being the absolute perfect platonic, emotional, romantic, and sexual partner for me so take it with a grain of salt
>>35889566How are all these qualities compatible at the same time?
>>35890908Sorry, not really understanding your question
>>35891733I was asking how could someone be a platonic, sexual and a romantic partner at the same time. Presumably, a different set of character qualities would be needed for each.
>>35892991I don’t really think so, I love her as both a friend and as a wife. I think she would be interesting to talk to and fun to hang out with while also being loyal, great in bed and good at raising children
Guys, I don't like the way she's looking at me.
>>35901278when your friends say you had a big butt they mean it
>>35881372Who knows. >>35881620calm your shit.
I want her to torture my cock and balls
>>35906579This image continues to unsettle me. The too wide open eyes staring right into and even through you. The open mouth with its off-putting smile. All rounded off with the inhuman head tilt that would leave most necks broken, but not this creepy youkai’s. And it looks like she’s right in front of you.
>>35906612She's just really happy that you're letting her kick your balls
>>35906302>>35906632Go away, please.
>>35906612a bright and intense reminder that she is not human, and that she finds your fear delicious
>>35906632I never agreed to this! >>35906779D-duly noted and I’d go on to tell them I don’t want any trouble.
>>35907754Too late anonIf you ever want to have kids, you're going to have to put them in Yuuka's bellyRefuse and something goes crunch
>>35907942This is sexual predation and I refuse to give in to her lustful demands. She’ll have to catch me first and my fear and adrenaline will drive me forward!
>>35909508Could you even hope to escape?
>>35908049Yes, run. You'll pop her cherry and give her half-breeds tired.
>>35913645I can only imagine how terrifying this situation would be. She’d probably just stand there smiling as one tries to flee from her, giving them a head start and maybe even thinking they’re going to escape.Only to round a corner in her flower field to find her standing with the same malicious smirk on her face, crimson colored eyes boring into yours with mounting lust before she abruptly springs forward to tackle you into the dirt. Any struggling would be for not as she quickly pins her target down and does away with any garments that would obstruct Yuuka from her goal. And once they’ve been removed, she’ll “fertilize” her “field” with their seed until she’s satisfied, any screams or cries likely going unheard and unanswered as it happens.One almost has to wonder what she’ll do with her partner/victim afterwards...Still, one must at least try to escape from them and if nothing else, it would make it interesting for her.
>>35913818The hunt is on.
>>35913818The last thing you see before becoming a father against your will.
>>35913818>One almost has to wonder what she’ll do with her partner/victim afterwards...Pic related
>>35914125>>35914284Looks like it didn’t last for too long. No surprise considering she is an apex predator. >>35914277>>35914544Good ending confirmed?
>>35914578>Good ending confirmed?I'd say yes
>>35914725They didn’t plan on being a father but this looks nice enough.
I mean, if you encounter a wild Yuuka, you may as well just give up.
>>35888652No. Unless you mean 3d models, in which case the answer is the same.
>>35906642no, you go away, Yuuka is not for you
>>35919316Quit ruining Yuuka threads, retard. Nobody thinks you're funny.
>>35914861Yuuka knows you better than you do yourself.
>>35926828Imagine being found by a giant Yuuka.
>>35927156That would be terrifying I definitely wouldn't want that haha
>>35922310i rather she tell me to become her wife
>>35927374You can run or hide but she’ll get you in the end. And you’ll be all hers. Let’s just hope when she does capture you she’s in a pleasant mood.
>>35927385transgenderism is a mental sickness
>>35927456the context is submission, tourist.
>>35927446She'd keep you in her stockings, under her feet.
>>35927456Youkai are more powerful than humans! You'd be the wife of any youkai you married!
>>35927656Soft but utterly firm and unyielding soles pressing down upon you, an occasional playful and bullying squeeze from her toes to keep you lively as she goes about her day, your struggles helping to improve her mood.
>>35927705What happens when she feels my little boner poking her sole?
>>35927753Guess it depends on her mood when it happens. She’ll either feel disgusted that you’re getting off to her big sweaty feet smushing down on you and she’ll have to figure out another way to punish you for it. Or she’ll feel amused and it will encourage her to keep bullying you with her feet.
>>35927446I hope she keeps that cage clipped to her panties.
>>35929912She has an individual one there for extra good boys
>>35926828Yuuka has cock-hardening feet.
>>35930157Me about to get stepped on by the strong flower youkai
>>35922310Yuuka seems like the kind of person (youkai) to know you have a partner or just someone you have a crush on and then announce that she's your wife in front of everyone knowing full well there's nothing you can do about it.
>>35932609Just say no lol
>>35935837She ate Cirno and absorbed her melanin
>>35932891You couldn't enforce such a choice.
>>35939190I have come prepared if she continues to insist
>>35939551That stuff will give you cancer
>>35939562Who cares, what doesn't give you cancer?
>>35939562But it’ll stop her at least!Right?
>>35930157gawd I wish my legs were spread below her and my exposed genitals were about to feel the wrath of her pleasurous torture
How is Yuuka’s placement here?
>>35943574So cute and lovely!
>>35941203Waaaaay too low.
>>35906579That’s Higu related, isn’t it?
>>35941203Good on the horizontal axis - she's certainly capable of crushing our balls. Way too high on the vertical as she'd never do it. She would gently caress your testicles as she forces you to breed her.
>>35944952>Way too high on the vertical as she'd never do itBut she’s negative on the vertical axis.
>>35944999Not negative enough
It's incredible how much better /jp/ becomes after filtering those filenames.
>>35948370What is the point of being passive aggressive in an anonymous space
>>35944952>> She would gently caress your testicles as she forces you to breed her.MUH.
>>35944952why did you save the garbage version of the image
>>35954343I have both
>>35954343>>35954379Considering the original image is drawn by human trash, wouldn't the original text version be garbage too?
>>35956537Do you have something against this particular artist or is your statement meant to be general? If it's the latter, all images in this thread and others are garbage, including yours
>>35954306Did she steal Remilia’s clothes?
>>35956605other way 'round
>>35956580If so many Yuuka images upset you, I find it hard to believe you’re an actual Yuuka fan
>>35957086I was asking the previous anon to clarify his statement. I've yet to find a Yuuka image that upsets me.
>>35889566Given how she acts, most of that would be true.Except she is a ruthless monster when angered, and she does have a pretty short temper. (Still fairly large if you consider how minor of transgressions cause danmaku battles in the games).
>>35957733Aren't danmaku battles the in-setting equivalent of duels to first blood? Like, you could expect to get battered and hurt, but would make it out alive.
>>35957733>Except she is a ruthless monster when angered, and she does have a pretty short temperI think this is true, but it’s taken a bit too far as her having some sort of intermittent explosive disorder. Her PMiSS profile and a few of her PoFV scenarios give it some basis but she reacts pretty damn tamely in LLS considering Reimu tries to kill her with no evidence and Marisa attacks her for no reason at all
>>35956580Yeah, I do.https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3AA_tawashi%20BAD%20filter%3Amedia&src=typed_query&f=livehttps://twitter.com/search?q=from%3AA_tawashi%20filter%3Anative_video&src=typed_query&f=liveHe also LRTs grotesque and shitty images with her likeness.>>35957276Have you been to Pixiv?
>>35881372Provide examples of Kogautists.
>>35958085By the way, I probably need to clarify that I didn't mean to say his cute and safe art is garbage; it's that the works are produced by human garbage and so are garbage in the sense of origin.
>>35958085What's wrong with the examples you posted? I mean the 1st one is just Koishi standing around and the 2nd is a pretty nice looking Elly. Sure, they're suggestive, but a significant amount of fanart is.>Have you been to Pixiv?Not really, I get most of my art from 4chan boards or Danbooru.>>35958118Meh, if a work/idea is good, I don't really care if it was made by someone whom I otherwise despise.
>>35958279How about you first look further than the two or three top posts and then respond?>> Not really, I get most of my art from 4chan boards or Danbooru.Figured.>> Meh, if a work/idea is good, I don't really care if it was made by someone whom I otherwise despise.I'm not as flexible.
>>35959053Who is your favorite Yuuka artist?
Maybe this is one of the reasons why people hate Yuukafags.
>>35959053Ah, I thought you linked me to the offending posts directly. I don't really use social media (unless we count imageboards as social media). Yeah, he does have some more questionable stuff posted, but at least it's not outright guro.>>35959405Who are you replying to?
>>35959554Yeah never mind fuck him, wanting to be abused by Yuuka is pathetic but abusing Yuuka is an instant no for me. I wish gachasluts/vtubers would get that kind of art instead
>>35959661not gachasluts/vtubers fault faggots spam them on this shitty board, leave the poor fictional/half-fictional characters alone, as you would flowers...
>>35959661also wanting to be abused by yuuka is based
>>35959767>not gachasluts/vtubers fault faggots spam them on this shitty board, leave the poor fictional/half-fictional characters alone, as you would flowers...Fair. I just hate that they get the best art in the business. Not only that, but they’re way more removed from these nasty fetishes than touhou girls are per capita.
>>35959781Based on mental issues and not even the cool ones just the faggy ones
>>35959405What are you talking about?
>>35960117What mental issues are cool?
>>35960945Bipolar (not to be confused with borderline), schizophrenia, autism, OCD/Pure O, PTSD in certain cases, diogenes syndrome, mania, and obsessive love disorder are all up there
>>35960117wrong, being stepped on by yuuka is epitome of cool
>>35964797I somehow doubt yuuka shares the same opinion
>>35961013>OCD>CoolOCD fucks me up bad anon.
>>35959615One of his MMDs contains a tentacle creature swallowing her breaking her neck, at which point I complained about it and got blocked. Not guro? Perhaps, but I think it's no better.>>35959283Used to be Asutora before he stopped drawing her entirely, and I don't like the way he draws his new favorite, so I'm no longer following him. Among other individual artists, I have the highest number of images drawn by the guy we were discussing above, followed by Hajikerukoufun. But this was and still remains my most favorite image.>>35964828I think that's the point.>>35964866Same.
i want yuuka to make me feel accepted.
>>35959283The best Yuuka artists were Mokku, Asutora, and Shirayuki Epe.Mokku was missing for years, but posted new art last year. Asutora doesn't draw her anymore. Shirayuki drew another one recently, but it's called "finale" if that means anything.
>>35964866How does it feel having OCD
>>35969721i can't speak for everyone but your brain constantly tortures you into doing things that make no sense and you know they are irrational but he won't stop and sometimes even if you do the things it doesn't leave you alone. imagine that you are reclining on a chair and you go backwards but just as you are about to fall you hit something and you don't but the sensation and fear of falling over won't stop, it just doesn't stop, he never shuts up.
>>35972885That feeling also drives people towards perfectionism and intense dedication, which is why I consider it one of the cooler mental illnesses
>>35932891To Yuuka? Kazami Yuuka? You must be insane.
>>35976578I know what I said and what I’ll do.
>>35976806your funeral or worse
>>35972906i got the shitty one then
>>35972885Sorry to hear that, hope you can find somebody who understands you condition, one day~
>>35981115wtf my fumo is moving on its own
>>35956537>wouldn't the original text version be garbage too?It's literally just ero over and over again. It's not as bad as the others.
>>35988861You've missed the point.
>>35981115i started going to therapy this year so things aren't as bad as they used to... for now
>>35960111>best art in the businessdo you mean as in how much artists make from selling it or the quality of the art?because if it is the latter, ill have to hard disagree.
>>35994512>do you mean as in how much artists make from selling it or the quality of the art?Both. Quality of art is in it makes me cum the hardest to girls I don’t even know about
>>35994382Here's a cute Yuuka to make you feel better.
Breath of the Wild had a character that would get mad if you stepped on her flowers. She made me think of Yuuka.
>>36011843The youkai has been sealed!
>>36011843The most dangerous youkai in gensokyo
Yuuka's very jealous and possessive of you. When other women are near you, she'll huff and grab your arm. Sometimes she drags you behind a corner and kisses you deeply.
>>36021223How abusive and disrespectful of my boundaries, I’m going to tell Yuuka that this kind of relationship won’t work
Yuuka will keep growing out her hair as a reminder of how long (you) and her have been together
>>36021223i think she would hit you not kiss you
>>36021254>>36024641hair length is the greatest expression of fertility
>>36024726Post only the longest of yuukas
When I die, will I wake up in her sunflower field?
>>36029539if life with Yuuka is your heaven, yes
>>36029831Then I hope that heaven awaits me.
>>36021238Sorry, Anon. Your personal choices were null and void the moment Yuuka took interest in you.
>>36029539no, if you are planning to kill yourself you will go to hell.THE BURNED FIELD, no flowers, no Yuuka and no fun allowed
>>36037381I'm not planning to kill myself.
>>35856989I want her to do unmentionable things to my testicles
>>35856989Yuuka is to scary, and seems very untrustworthy no matter how beautiful she looks. I know Yuuka is going to use her looks to seduce me.
I want to become an inhuman youkai, just like Yuuka. How can I do this?
>>36040530Become a magician youkai by making it to the 30th year of your life still a virgin
>>36040530are you prepared to get killed by reimu afterward?
Yuuka with wings, Yay or Nay?
I want Yuuka to reject me and nearly atomize my body and leave me a shriveled up corpse for Orin to pick up and fuel the underground furnace!
>>36049481Wings are cute.
Yuuka has been trying not-so-subtle ways to expose herself to me for weeks. All her downblouses and buttcracks (her jeans slide all the way down her butt when she crouches...) are obviously a perversion for her, so I figured I'd give her an 'approved' way of exposing herself to me. I asked if she wanted to be a model for me to draw, with the catch that she would have to do it nude. The excited squeak she made when I asked her was very cute, and it was funny to watch her try to keep her cool and just politely accept.She couldn't keep her cool while posing nude, though! She couldn't sit still at all, and she was giggly and fidgeting with joy the whole time. Her nipples were inflated and rock solid, and vagina was soaking wet and leaking the entire time. The room smelled like a wharf. Yuuka was in pervert paradise as she not only got to be naked in front of me, but I was forced to STARE at her and study her body!Depraved, horny old lady. Of course, she wants to do it again tomorrow.
>>36065023Yuuka sure has issues
>>36065476Would you help Yuuka out with her problem of being an extremely horny hag who is in desperate need of a good dicking? Yuuka is basically the divorced horny wine aunt who flirts wither her nephews at family gatherings.
>>36066343>Would you help Yuuka out with her problem of being an extremely horny hag who is in desperate need of a good dicking?Yes, I would. I prefer older women anyways. They are treasures and deserve to feel young again.
Is Yuuka a cougar?
>>36070593There are no men her own age in Gensokyo so she has no choice but to be
>>36070593Old maid virgin.
>>36073452Is she a part of the OMA? (Old Maid Alliance)
>>36074229Not anymore. Her spot got taken by Byakuren. People still draw her in the group on occasion though.
>>36074229She should be.
>>36074229>>36075430Yuuka is really scary. No wonder she doesn't get involved to the old maid events often!
>>36075593But she's older.
>>36018689Every minute of every hourI'm hungry for the sunflower
It appears that Yuuka's garden needs watering.
There is a huge lack of pregnant Yuuka images
She has been my wife for over a decade and this will never change.
There is literally nobody who is more perfect than her
>>36101898Once I become rich I will remedy this
Me on the right
They say to never stick your dick in crazy, but what if you’re crazy yourself?
>>36102067Your dick will feel right at home. However, that might make the crazy even more crazy.
>>36101898You are correct.
>>35969480>Asutora stops drawing Yuuka>draws pregnant Remi instead>never drew pregnant YuukaIt hurts
>>36104125Remi feels like the most boring choice to make fuck tons of pregnant art for. it would’ve better if there was more variety
Extremely horny Yuuka flirting with you! Yuuka's vagina aching with pleasure at the thought of your young dick!
>>36104506It doesn’t even make sense either. Regardless of how you feel about the ethics of impregnating children they make objectively horrible mothers on basically all metrics of motherhood. It’s clear to me the artist has no appreciation for Remilia’s unique strengths as a character and is instead fitting her into some hyper vanilla self-indulgent mold and it bothers me on many levels. Why must the artists most blessed with skill waste it on the stupidest concepts.
>>36102467Yuuka doesn't look alright, in fact she looks mega horny
>>36105391It's your fault.
>>36102467>>36109570I’m interested but also scared. Amazing how this flower youkai can inspire such feelings of scarousal.
pls rember Castratrix day
>>36124730Tell me about Yuuka. Why does she neuter the anons?
>>36124810she does notits all lies and slander to scare men away and deny her a husband
>>36102190Maybe impregnation will make Yuuka not as crazy.
>>36066233an1 have the original
>>36124810Because they keep asking her incessantly
Fumo Yuuka gets cold easily. If you have the AC blasting, either turn it up or make sure she is covered. Or she might do something horrible to you.
>>36109570How is it my fault for making her horny anon?
>>36135699You're cute and her type.
>>36065023How the hell does Yuuka make a room smell like a wharf? Not trying to be mean or anything.
>>36141508She doesn’t, Yuuka smells amazing even down there
>>36141705I don't trust that
>>36142073There is no reason a flower youkai would smell like anything but flowers
>>36101828an inevitable change that occurs with the seasons. Shame.
>>36147790Her smell changes based on which flowers are in season. In winter she smells of wet wood and rowan berries.
>>36153239Is there an October pumpkin spice latte Yuuka?
>>36153896I'll say yes
>>36153896>pumpkin spiceI hate cities so fucking much its not even funnyFucking everywhere at all fucking times in october smells like fucking pumpkin spiceI don't know who first made it but I blame california and want to see it nuked for their transgression
>>36155487Isn't pumpkin spice just dried pumpkin bits? I usually eat them along with herbal tea, when pumpkin is in season.
The Perverted Horny Hag Miss Yuuka wearing a slightly transparent white shirt with no bra AND giving you lots of downblouses too! Yuuka wearing tight mom jeans that show tons of buttcrack when she bends over! Yuuka's face being red the whole time while she breathes heavily! Yuuka trying to think of ways to expose herself while still having it look like an accident!
>>36155933There's no pumpkin in pumpkin spice, it's the combination of spices that goes into pumpkin pie (usually cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger and cloves)
I've never seen a pumpkin or tasted one.
>>36158654Where do you live?
>>36139539Im just curious is to how im Yuuka's type.
>>36161308the heart wants what the heart wants, and her heart wants you
>>36161308She asks why she's your type.
>>36167193Yuuka, I just really like the color green
>>36167193I think she would be a kind, loving and nurturing mother for children
>>36167193I'm obsessed with electronics and machinery - opposites attract. Also, I have a dream of keeping bees - having a flower garden nearby is great for thet.
>>36156825why is she doing this?
>>36174097I think anon made that pretty clear
>>36174616Am I suppose to be impressed?
>>36175906Speaking of being impressed by Anon’s writing skills I am still waiting for the (allegedly) upcoming Yuuka story to get dropped At this point it’s just plain rude
>>36156923Ah, we don't really use that in Eastern Europe.
What a deal!
>>36175906Yes...why wouldn't you be?Does Yuuka's saggy haggy body disgust you?
>>36239745She's ancient fossil, who some who manages to arouse many anons with her "looks"
>>36249124She's an immortal embodiment of nature. The mortal concept of age doesn't apply here.
>>36258297Youthful fertility for all eternity
>>36265558She is just an older lady, no need to be so rude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aL-r7feMjQ&ab_channel=akajaHahahahaYuuka has some nice songs in here
Yuuka taking a shower and leaving her clothes and towel in her room! Yuuka having to walk back to her room naked! Yuuka yelling her plan to you, and warning you that you had BETTER NOT LOOK! Yuuka elegantly and excitedly stepping out of the bathroom naked...and seeing that you're not only NOT peeking, but your head is turned in a different direction completely!Yuuka being offended that you don't want to see her naked! Yuuka stomping on over to you to get your attention and standing directly in front of you! Yuuka being so tall that you're eye-level with her sticky hairy vagina! Yuuka basically shoving her vagina in your face! Yuuka going on a big flustered rant about you not finding her attractive enough to peek at her nude body, how you would have looked if she were a younger Touhou, and more haggy things like that! Telling Yuuka that you don't think she's ugly, and she says that you have to prove it by squeezing her boob! Rolling your eyes and grabbing Yuuka's boob, while also sensually rubbing her nipple with your thumb and giving her bedroom eyes while talking to her in a sexy voice! Yuuka being so caught offguard that she squeaks cutely and has an orgasm! Yuuka squirting and getting a bit on your face! Yuuka being more turned on than she has ever been, but pretending that she's indignant! Yuuka pouting and running back to her room while calling you a jerk and a pervert! Yuuka immediately cramming her fingers up her sticky crotch and having another orgasm, this time being unable to hold back her loud moans! Laughing and telling Yuuka that you heard it! Yuuka yelling "Sh-Shut up!"Desperate lonely perverted horny hags!
>>36295432Oops, forgot my pic of groping the hag!
>>36295432>>36295459Best fanfiction I have read in a while 10/10, will cum again
>>35998524I really like Yuuka!
>>36303459Are you the anon from the previous thread?
>>36304887*instinctively covers ballsack*
>>36316953*instinctively prepares to receive a flower*
Oh yeah, random Yuuka.
>>36317286I’d cherish it and put it in a nice vase.
>>36316866If you mean the person who embroidered her, then yes
>>36317286Yuuka is my happy day
>>36319802The bottom looks like a corrupted/evil version of the top.
last page, someone make new