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>> No.35717845
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>>35717828
If you're a beginner, please read the guide first.
Guide: https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/

>> No.35717923

>>35717845
wtf this guide gave me hemorrhoids

>> No.35717958

>>35717923
it was intended.
to cure you hemorrhoids you have to enlist in ISIS now.

>> No.35718027

best thread

>> No.35718045

https://www.nihonnaka.com/is-learning-japanese-worth-it/

>> No.35718191
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yep posting on the real thread

>> No.35718233

is this it? yes it is

>> No.35718276
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>>35718191

>> No.35718282

hate this jidaigeki posting poser. where's ciaran

>> No.35718283

>>35717845
I would suggest avoiding this person like the plague. When asked to read a text (I'd consider N4) he makes an excuse that he doesn't have a microphone, when told to record himself using his phone he goes radio silent.

>> No.35718450

>>35718282
dont give a shit about your cries for help

>> No.35718490

>>35718450
stfu you're not ciaran

>> No.35718503

where did i say i was

>> No.35718546

where did i say you said you was

>> No.35718726
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your daily anki reps, sir

>> No.35718802

>>35717845
you should use https://animecards.site instead

>> No.35718841

jannies killed holobro again wow

>> No.35718868

starting to feel like output is the real method all along. pure input has failed all learners so far.

>> No.35718878

>>35718841
it only takes a few of us to fight back against that dumb fuck shill and we can win every time

>> No.35718914

>>35718878
too bad they havent answered my prayers when it comes to miniyoga

>> No.35718938
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxvoFyeC-Do
gonna go through all of these one day

>> No.35718950

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7m76_qIpTA

>> No.35718958

>>35718914
praying doesnt work anon

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>>35718841
what a tragedy

>> No.35719095

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yyq2a7lFkQ

>> No.35719212

>>35718841
nice

>> No.35719217

>>35718802
no, i don't recommend it. anime cards are not as effective as TSCs

>> No.35719309

>>35717828
can someone pls convert wareya's novels frequency list for yomichan?

https://github.com/wareya/nazeka/blob/master/dict/freqlist_novels.json

it has greater coverage than his vn and narou ones which have already been done (i think by anacreon?):
vn - https://mega.nz/file/jw8llTCI#qUXzNWphhhJQ3cso46eCcJ7BNGAQFpm823h8odo1dzc
narou - https://mega.nz/file/O5FHFKSL#n7-SrIZGVhATIgB9ggRw8PccCYedFxk48Awelsr0a4g

>> No.35719320

this is the real thread

>> No.35719343

>>35719095
why are humans so retarded

>> No.35719476

>>35719217
why would i try to memorize sentences? there are practically an infinite number of sentences.

>> No.35719502

>>35719095
sigh

>> No.35719512

>>35719217
if there is a sentence on the front you arent learning the word

>> No.35719513

>>35717845
wtf this guide gave me aids

>> No.35719538

>>35719512
right you learn japanese which is better than just a word

>> No.35719575

>>35719512
if there isn't a sentence on the front, you aren't learning the word as a word, you are just learning what sound some squiggles on your screen represent

>> No.35719602

og is gone
anki card arguments are returning
nature is healing

>> No.35719603
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>> No.35719668

just came up with a genius idea (patent pending):
audio cards - sound on the front, meaning on the back

>> No.35719676

>>35719538
why wouldn't i just spend that time reading more instead then

>> No.35719698
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35719698

wow

>> No.35719705

>>35719309
just use bccwj if you want maximum coverage at the expensive of everything else, link is on my site

>> No.35719735

>>35719698
why does the heart turn into a penis?

>> No.35719749

>>35719705
>bccwj
what does this stand for?

>> No.35719750

>>35719698
relevant
https://youtu.be/hySllU5LFdc?t=101

>> No.35719760

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpdOr7lZzcg

>> No.35719773
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>> No.35719811

>>35719749
balanced corpus of contemporary written japanese. google it if you wanna read the paper about how it was made

>> No.35719849

>>35719698
having a dick in your ear is pretty 恥ずかしい

>> No.35719860

phew somehow managed to import that without my computer overheating half way through

how many entries does this have? the size is insane compared to wareya's dictionary conversions

>> No.35719896

>>35717828
>9 hours to make a new thread after the last one died
what happened? are we dying?

>> No.35719902

>>35719860
it has 840k entries

>> No.35719913

>>35719896
there was a fake thread in the interim

>> No.35719917
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is this guy serious?

>> No.35719921
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>>35719896
schizoanon bumping every thread in the catalog because he hates hololive

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>> No.35719929

>>35719913
why wouldn't a real one be made in that time?

>> No.35719940

>>35719902
wtf

testing it, it just seems completely useless. the data doesn't even seem to make any sense.

>> No.35719942

>>35719926
n4

>> No.35719954

>>35719926
congratulations on reading your first doujin oniitilyan

>> No.35719964

>>35719917
if you hadn't already noticed, he'd not right in the head

>> No.35719969

>>35719964
>he'd not right

>> No.35719978

>>35719954
thanks.

>> No.35719981
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>>35719917
hes wrong about this but tscs are pretty great

>> No.35719989

>>35719969
oh no bro did you just make a typo... on 4channel!?!?!?!

>> No.35719990

>mom's trying to get me to get a job or go to college
fucking gains goblins smfh

>> No.35719991

>>35719940
i changed how all my decks display frequency, read more about it on my site

>> No.35719997

>>35719095
his previous study plan didn't work why does he think it'll be different now just watch some epic anime und n2 will be 朝飯前

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>>35719981
ebic

>> No.35720001

>>35719917
I've learned most of my english through playing ps2 games

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>>35719964
yeah he sounds nuts

>> No.35720006

>>35717828
Current thread: #2930

Previous threads:
>>35711490 #2929
>>35706632 #2928
>>35694956 #2927
>>35686886 #2926
>>35687059 #2925
>>35678804 #2924
>>35672413 #2923
>>35665107 #2922
>>35656156 #2921
>>35649751 #2920
>>35635411 #2919
>>35623023 #2918
>>35615762 #2917
>>35606719 #2916
>>35598197 #2915
>>35567375 #2914
>>35584585 #2913
>>35575259 #2912
>>35567404 #2911

>> No.35720021

this is my site btw. forgot to link it
https://www.tofugu.com/learn-japanese/

>> No.35720022

>>35719603
>>35719773
didn't even know there's a manga version

>> No.35720027

>>35719921
>autistically try to make a holotranny op every single time
>op has nothing to do with djt or learning japanese, just another holotranny thread blocking legit threads
>always make the thread early so other threads can't be made
>solo bump tranny thread for 3 days even though the legit thread is more popular
what's not to like?
why do you insist on making these threads? why not instead just pollute /jp/ with your holotranny op in a thread not titled /djt/?

>> No.35720030

>>35720021
hey anacreon what ended up happening with mattos dmca strike

>> No.35720038

>>35720021
you didn't even use a secure trip

>> No.35720042

>>35720021
fake account. here's my site
https://www.mimicmethod.com/best-way-to-learn-japanese/

>> No.35720052

>>35719991
i understand what the number means, it just makes no sense

保有 89.4
五輪 89.7

??????

how are these two words even remotely close in frequency?

>> No.35720054

is bunko ever coming back?

>> No.35720055

>>35720027
not him but can you give me a tldr, jesus

>> No.35720061

>>35720054
nah james is gone forever

>> No.35720068

>>35720022
yeah same, its pretty ok so far

>> No.35720069
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transcript this djt.

>> No.35720070

>>35719954
nah hes watching 全裸監督

>> No.35720072

>>35720055
tldr: my foot goes in your ass

>> No.35720077

>>35720052
i dunno man i just put it in the algorithm

>> No.35720080

>>35720069
why
it's already written right there

>> No.35720081

>>35720052
cuz it sucks, it's like newspapers and shit

>> No.35720089

>>35720080
no, i meant to write it down

>> No.35720090

>>35720069
がんめんはっしゃ・けっていばん

なおこのがんめんしゃわーはつたいけん
こんなすぺるまあったの?
すごーい。
きもちいいびでおです。
ez

>> No.35720091

>>35720081
why dont you make real life core

>> No.35720094

>>35720089
nanakonoganmenshawaahatutaikenkonnasuperumaattano?sugoooi.

>> No.35720098

>>35720090
wrong

>> No.35720104

>>35720027
Honestly, the current OP is worse and probably needs a permaban.
>Autistically makes a duplicate thread every single time
>Actively destroys the /djt/ community by removing links to previous threads
>Actively destroys the slow /jp/ lifestyle by bumping every single thread on the board if his thread didn't win the "threadwar" so now every other thread dies in hours
ps. Holoposter is also a ginormous fag

>> No.35720109

>>35720089
why do you want me to write something that's already written down in the picture lmao

>> No.35720112

>>35720091
it would have no practical use for djters

>> No.35720114

>>35720104
he doesnt even get the backlinks right he skipped a bunch of threads

>> No.35720118

>>35720081
so wouldn't the novels one be a lot better then?

can you explain how you convert these json dictionaries to work in yomichan?

>> No.35720124

only absolute low-iq monkey-brained retards care about the lower echelons of frequency lists

>> No.35720129
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>>35720052
ask the japanese

>> No.35720136

>>35720118
>>35720114
>so wouldn't the novels one be a lot better then?

do you read novels? like old shit, natsume soseki et al? that's what it's based on

>> No.35720149

>>35720129
those numbers are meaningless without knowing the size of the corpus and the relationship between rank and coverage %

>> No.35720154

>>35720061
i really regret helping doxxing him, i have this disgusting feeling, like i just kill someone

>> No.35720157

>>35720136
better than newspapers at least for someone who's primary interest is fiction (rather than non-fiction)

>> No.35720158

>>35720112
incels here wouldnt be so afraid of "output"

>> No.35720163
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yoshi

>> No.35720165

>>35720157
>VN's
>fiction
go back

>> No.35720168

>>35720163
transcribe this
https://streamable.com/nw9lo1

>> No.35720173

>>35720165
go fuck a goat

>> No.35720181

>>35720168
ノー

>> No.35720185

If I want to say something like "you should go to bed. Please." would "neru hou ga ii dayo. kudasai" work or should I just drop the dayo and end with kudasai to make it like I'm asking them to go to bed rather than jjust saying it's what they should do.

>> No.35720195

>>35720168
never opened it
never will

>> No.35720202

>>35720104
why did >>35706632 only last 9 hours?
holotranny makes a new thread when old one is on page 7 every time just so he can block a legitimate thread and fill /jp/ with more trannies. no duplicate was made. do you think it's ok to make a new thread right when old one reaches bump limit?

>>35720114
all the real threads are there.

>> No.35720205

>>35720157
just use the vn one then
or narou since those are basically just more modern novels

>>35720158
"real life" is just as varied if not more so. it ff14 party is not gonna talk the same as your waitress

>> No.35720216

>>35720185
you should say お眠りになって下さいまし

>> No.35720218

>>35720168
craaab, come hear you dumbdumbs! need to get home

>> No.35720220

>>35720205
>ff14 party is not gonna talk the same as your waitress
yeah i meant real people not otakus

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>>35717828
>>35717845

be aware beginners. the only program you'll need is this.
https://github.com/ripose-jp/Memento

>> No.35720233

>>35720218
a for effort

>> No.35720244

this "real thread" shit is so autistic.

>> No.35720254

real threads
how many of us

>> No.35720262
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the virgin immerse vs the chad barely study

>> No.35720265

>>35720149
hiding those numbers comes with its own disadvantage though

i think a better way of dealing with the data would be to show both numbers, like:
保有 16,852 (99.2)

btw, the above seems really fucking weird to me. how can a 16k frequency word be ranked at >99?

are you sure you've made these new versions properly cuz that just seems completely wrong in a frequency list (vn freq) which stops at #35,893

>> No.35720266

>>35720163
ydjk

>> No.35720276

im not real, i only act like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNYZOroSPL8

>> No.35720282

>>35720262
did he fail n2 i didnt want to click the video

>> No.35720283

>>35720266
嫁ども女子高生

>> No.35720287

>>35720265
>how can a 16k frequency word be ranked at >99?
>in a frequency list (vn freq) which stops at #35,893
Zipfs law

>> No.35720301

post some good japs music. i'll start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKPn9fhLYpU

>> No.35720302

>>35720205
>just use the vn one then
>or narou since those are basically just more modern novels
they have worse coverage because they are based on pretty limited corpuses

i want a back-up which isn't complete trash for where those lists fail

>> No.35720305

>>35720282
he's cramming for it by reading a textbook 20 minutes per day and riding the train

>> No.35720313

literally no one cares about the thread wars you autists
lets just band together to drone strike miniyoga off the face of earth

>> No.35720315

>>35720301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKar5SS29E

>> No.35720319

>>35720301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-dE94Uv3a8
anyone knows a band with this feeling?

>> No.35720320

>>35720302
both have more words than you'll ever know in your life. bccwj is the backup you want, it's got names and yoji and shit

>> No.35720322

>>35720287
yeah i mean this pretty much sums up why your new system is worse than the original one

this should be easy for people to understand whereas you have made it hard while offering zero advantages over the easy way

>> No.35720323

>>35720301
nope, i started >>35720276

>> No.35720330

>>35720322
bro you dont know calculus?

>> No.35720331

>>35720313
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>>35720323
fu

>> No.35720334

>>35720320
the data is nonsensical so i may as well be using an rng

>> No.35720345

>>35720323
meds
>>35720331
ching chong chong chi, cant touch mi arol! kim jon un in the dungeon

>> No.35720352

>>35720330
i'm not american so idk what math shit "calculus" even refers to

>> No.35720357

>>35720322
lol even ur suggested "improvement" just had you confused and i had to explain it to you. ur just wrong here buddy, the rank doesn't tell you any useful information except that you can compare it to another rank within the same dict (but not any of the other ones) to see if a word is more or less frequent than another. That's literally it.

>>35720334
You could also just use your brain and notice the frequency of things yourself lmfao

>> No.35720366

>>35720357
>ur
>your
>You
need a style guide here

>> No.35720368

frequency list itself doesnt tell you any useful information

>> No.35720373

>>35720368
this

>> No.35720382

>>35720202
Because it was a shit thread and no one wanted to post in it. If Holo makes a thread early, report it and ignore it.

>> No.35720384

strongly recommend uninstalling texthookers

>> No.35720385

>>35720368
>>35720373
is

>> No.35720393

strongly recommend hookers

>> No.35720394

>If Holo
epic proper noun

>> No.35720397

i hate holos but i would nut in okayu and korone

>> No.35720398

uninstall yomichan and block online dictionaries too, they cripple you

>> No.35720404

>>35720266
true
i'm pre-beginner

>> No.35720407

>>35720382
that's not how it works, retarded newfag. it reached bump limit and disappeared within 9 hours. clearly holotranny was bumping all threads to get it to disappear. reporting early threads doesn't work (already been tried by me and others have said the same).

>> No.35720412

>>35720357
you didn't explain a thing, you just threw some term at me which i don't

try answering in your own words before you gloat and act smug just because someone didn't know a term you used

>> No.35720418

we're trying to talk about japanese here

>> No.35720420

just use the moeway frequency lists they are better

>> No.35720422

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLwtfg57kbs
キング

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>>35720407
do you even study japanese?
www.vocaroo.com

>> No.35720466

its official bros, minnesota has canceled asian carp as a racist species

>> No.35720480

>>35720466
>Kill Asian Carp
lol

>> No.35720482

i just finished tae kim, what now? no i will not immerse yet

>> No.35720483

https://youtu.be/3uHqcLj0wlI?t=420

birdbros...

>> No.35720491

>>35720482
core 2.3k

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duoringo

>> No.35720493

drank a monster an hour ago and im still fuckin falling asleep while watching something

>> No.35720497

>>35720482
core 10k

>> No.35720506

>>35720154
og.....

>> No.35720518

>>35720407
seems like a falseflag.

>> No.35720521

>>35720287
okay so i read wiki and it's still fucking stupid to represent your data this way

16k rank words are common words, and yet you have reduced the discrimination between those common words and the comparatively quite rare 30k rank words to a single decimal place

you need to use a much, much higher number than 1 to 100 to provide people with meaningful information in this method

>> No.35720557

>>35720493
just sleep and watch once you wake up, its effortless time travel to a state where you're not sleepy
energy drinks dont do shit compared to that

>> No.35720572

>>35720557
i feel the time go by even when im asleep

>> No.35720601

>>35720572
i have like 5 dreams per night but thats about it
are you not reaching deep sleep or what?

>> No.35720605

>>35720521
compare 16,000 to 30,000 and it still holds no meaning without context
compare 1.631 to 0.112 (the actual ppm of the words) and you get useful info but it's very annoying to read
compare 99.1 to 100 and you know the two words are in an entirely different class of frequency without knowing the size or anything else about the dict just cuz of zipfs law

>> No.35720633

compare this *unzips*

>> No.35720634

>>35720601
dreams can feel really long
and i know for a fact that i at least sometimes start dreaming as soon as i fall asleep

>> No.35720638

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vynjxg1kDls
>This video will make you smile
>depression be like: adios
yep

>> No.35720653

yoshi, time for my 切り抜き reps

>> No.35720657

>>35720638
i'm not brazilian

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lol

>> No.35720682
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35720682

another way to think about this: if you graph the data from any of the freq dicts you will get this exact shape but the numbers at the bottom will be arbitrarily stretched and squashed depending on differences in size and methodology

>> No.35720684

>>35720672
japs are nuts

>> No.35720691

>>35720605
>compare 16,000 to 30,000 and it still holds no meaning without context
are you trolling or do you actually believe what you're saying?

>compare 1.631 to 0.112 (the actual ppm of the words) and you get useful info but it's very annoying to read
how is it? this is a much better way of conveying to the user how common the word is

>compare 99.1 to 100 and you know the two words are in an entirely different class of frequency without knowing the size or anything else about the dict just cuz of zipfs law
no, it's a hopeless method of conveying information when everything below 90 consists of like 5 words and the remaining 30,000 have to be distinguished by 0.1 vs 0.9

if the scale was 1-10k then it might be useful, but it isn't, so it's not

>> No.35720699

wanna continue watching monogatari but im too lazy to figure out what episode im on

>> No.35720703

w

>> No.35720704
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>> No.35720709

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3J0vNYfwiM&list=WL&index=125
they got us...

>> No.35720713

>>35720657
?

>> No.35720716

>>35720682
that just means the scale on the bottom is stupid and useless

>> No.35720720

>>35720704
brb buying one of these to last me the rest of my life

>> No.35720725

>>35720704
>sneeze
>bed breaks
>japanese guards run in to beat you while shouting 変態

>> No.35720729

>>35720221
does it take screenshot automatically now?

>> No.35720735

>>35720704
are the japanese people not aware that you can fuck on the floor or standing up

>> No.35720740

>>35720699
just start at nisemonogatari ep 8

>> No.35720752

>>35720735
i cant tho...

>> No.35720755

>>35720704
that just adds to thrill the bed breaks and you keep pounding that マンコ

>> No.35720762

i literally cannot cum standing up no matter what i do

>> No.35720774

>>35720704
peak old nip official problem solving

>> No.35720784

might watch k-on

>> No.35720796

>>35720691
>are you trolling or do you actually believe what you're saying?
tell me what it conveys except that one word is more frequent than another by an unspecified amount (it's even possible for them to be the same frequency theoretically)

>this is a much better way of conveying to the user how common the word is
it's really not though. you're saying a word that shows up once every million words is common but that's not really something that a normal person would think and in fact they could not know that without analyzing the entire corpus themselves

>hyperbole and statement
yawn.
yeah i could add another digit i guess, but still this is the best way of giving info to the user they can
actually use without doing an analysis themselves
Most people that use dicts like this aim for a certain minimum % comprehension anyway so it's honestly perfect
>>35720716
hence why i no longer include it in my dict

>> No.35720846

i see a word i don't know, i fail feeling it out, i look it up and glance at the frequency, i justify mining it using an arbitrary threshold that i come up with at the time

>> No.35720849

>>35720784
its alright

>> No.35720886

>>35720704
bet a lot of them break from the weight of just one normal athlete because the nips designed them for the weight of an average typical japanese stickman and not the ripped 6'10" athletes of the world

>> No.35720890

>>35720784
Watch Love Live, it's better.
Moogi a cute, though.

>> No.35720900

ive mined nearly 400 words since i quit doing anki

>> No.35720906

>>35720699
you haven't seen 傷物語 yet what are you doing morbido guy

>> No.35720926

(人人)

>> No.35720929

>>35720906
think the last one i saw was nekomonogatari, i'll get to it eventually but im on my monthly manga kick where i only read for a week or so

>> No.35720942

worthless thread no nihongo discussion i'm going back to int

>> No.35720961

>>35720942
why dont you watch or read something in japanese instead

>> No.35720970

cant discuss a langauge, it just is

>> No.35720976

>>35720970
true true

>> No.35720981

Time to bruteforce my way through Danganronpa V3 with just context and 400 kanji alone.

>> No.35720997
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「高い高い」を覚えた

>> No.35721014

>>35720672
the ink particles are going to soak into the eggs

>> No.35721021

>>35720682
i don't know what it means for the numbers to be stretched or squashed

>> No.35721022

>>35720672
why not put one post it on the wall over the eggs on the right instead of writing it 4 times
or just remember it

>> No.35721038

Also if you got 16k anime cards why the FUCK are you checking words freq still???

>>35721021
Just add a 0 to the end of all the numbers. Yay you stretched them

>> No.35721042
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>> No.35721046

>>35721038
didn't think i'd ever say this but this uppercaser is right

>> No.35721050

いい加減彼女欲しい

>> No.35721062

>>35721046
oh wow just realized my trip got dropped this whole time wtf

>> No.35721085

>>35721050
i want a careless/halfhearted girlfriend?

>> No.35721109

ikagen nama nakadasi-you no sefure ga hosii

>> No.35721114

>>35721069

>> No.35721132

https://streamable.com/gj7pjz
cant believe japanese hikikomori girls use pissbottles as well

>> No.35721146

>>35721132
えろい

>> No.35721150

>>35720981
well according to that dumb chart youll be able to understand 2/3 of it

>> No.35721186

>>35720981
wait 400 kanji or 400 words

>> No.35721237

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFECpaC7aa8
get in here boys

>> No.35721240

>>35721237
tranny taste shitcast

>> No.35721246
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woah, are 15yo girls like this?

>> No.35721247

>>35721237
I hate IRL humans so fucking much.

>> No.35721257

>>35721237
bet our guy libido kamen would have a thing or two to say about this one

>> No.35721269

>>35721257
>our guy libido kamen
trash taste boys are our guys
howard is a freak of nature

>> No.35721274

can we talk about how y is a vowel?

>> No.35721290

漫喫ハプニング now thats a good hentai

>> No.35721304

>>35721269
dude is a hero and the day of reckoning will come for you and your false idol gigguk

>> No.35721307

>>35721132
reminds me of that guy on /b/ that used to show his cum bottles which he did update each year once...

>> No.35721344

i remember libido retardmen streaming his reading of sorceress alive claiming he would save it from the evil translators while literally understanding less than 30% of it lmfao

>> No.35721387

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYKwiusGYzM

>> No.35721413

https://youtu.be/aXHecPdLqEs

>> No.35721440
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>> No.35721584
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>>35721566
よし
花金だぜ

>> No.35721608

>>35721581
would you not rather have a gf you loved?

>> No.35721644

the point is that you don't love her

>> No.35721734

>>35721237
hilarious

>> No.35721765

>>35721700
what did she do that needs editing out?

>> No.35721791

>悽愴少女の冲融幻想曲
What does "冲融" mean?

>> No.35721836

>>35721828
idk, but i'll report it for copyright infringement to save you trannies from yourselves

>> No.35721914

>>35721873
never been to japan

>> No.35721978

they're going on about how they really wanted to recommend _____ but everyone knows it. i havent heard of any of this shit. i dont think i could name a hentai

>> No.35722141

need joey's take on the best eroge novel

>> No.35722145

>>35722141
think he interviewed some company that makes vns once maybe he said something there

>> No.35722161

they fucking ruined chess

>> No.35722162

ok threads over everybody out

>> No.35722163

WACOM or Apple?

>> No.35722198

>>35722185
>dare ka
ngmi

>> No.35722303

>>35722229
yappari you are the deez no toukousha

>> No.35722404

why does misa have a bri'ish like accent

>> No.35722479

deez are the nuts you acquired

>> No.35722538

>>35722419
you don't

>> No.35722542

>>35722525
*to hear

>> No.35722556

>>35722525
holy shit dude just feel it out

>> No.35722597

>>35722556
it's too late to apologize, it's too late

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>>35718914
>my prayers

>> No.35722637

>>35722602
can't your get stoned to death or something for a post like this?

>> No.35722650

>>35720104
>>35722498
holotranny is at it again. spambumping once this thread reached bump limit.
>>35722228
>>35722305
>>35722315
>>35722336
>>35722352
>>35722470
>>35722471
>>35722450
>>35722545
>>35722552
>>35722543
>>35722595

>> No.35722683

>>35722637
prob if you're an actual sandperson.

>> No.35722773

keep up the larp retard
it's more fun if everyone thinks you're literally posting from the baghdad wastelands

>> No.35722842

>>35722650
samefag

>> No.35722858

is the first gundam show actually good? i heard its antagonist influences other popular anime villains.

>> No.35722870

>>35722851
agreed, the holotranny should seek help. he's been doing this multiple times per day for more than 6 months.

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>>35722650
impressive

>> No.35722886
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what else do you post about

>> No.35722906
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>>35722650
impressive

>> No.35722912

>>35722650
Hello, my linguistically and mentally challenged friend, but I couldn't help but notice that you quoted one of my posts and seem to be under the misunderstanding that I have bumped any thread. I assure you this is quite impossible as I have sage set permanently and therefore never bump a thread. Thank you and please kill yourself.

>> No.35722917

>>35722886
Why do people keep posting these?

Are we bringing back inglip?

>> No.35722918

>>35722906
get a life, dude

>> No.35722931

yo what up djt nice thread

>> No.35722932

>>35722917
stfu don't post again unless you've got juicy details on the matt drama/yoga+george team

>> No.35722943

>>35722932
the ball's in his hands now

>> No.35722950

>>35722597
too laaate

>> No.35722973

>>35722943
alright thanks for the update

>> No.35722974
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this is what a king of immersion learning looks like

>> No.35722983

wonder if this is wanicrimes guy

>> No.35723009

>>35723000
he wants to be matto. look at his twitter profile picture.

>> No.35723017

>>35723000
dunno chekc this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6NVo3YFwk

>> No.35723028

>>35723009
?

>> No.35723031

死体

>> No.35723032

>>35722974
el hijo de la goblina matta

>> No.35723036

>>35722974
Looking slick in a suit.

>> No.35723040

>>35723031
死にたい

>> No.35723041

>>35723031
want to do?

>> No.35723045

og is fucked, i'll beat her at her own game (that she sucks at)
i'm creating production cards with the most natural nihongo directly from misa's videos
i'm going to ankidrone this shit and extract all the nihongo i've accumulated in my brain.
you are output girl? i'm the output god

>> No.35723049
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immersion juice

>> No.35723050

>>35723040
>>35723041
スニード

>> No.35723056

>>35723045
the second u thought about doing this u lost

>> No.35723064

>>35723050
いつものように出鱈目ポスタ

>> No.35723067

>>35723040
42たい

>> No.35723069
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>>35723045
oh yeah? think you can read this?
www.vocaroo.com

>> No.35723079

>>35722974
>>35723049
lmfao

>> No.35723080
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>>35722858
yes

>> No.35723089

imagine how many good eroge doujins javs songs from different languages or genres you dont listen to that you will never get to experience

>> No.35723109

garyben ftw
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40bilingineer%20women&src=typed_query&f=live

>> No.35723112

waiting for vns with stories as good AND DENSE as doujin/manga. i don't care how amazing the story is if it's 50% sol bullshit

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>>35723109
why do you have to do him like that

>> No.35723129

>>35723069
奇跡的 刺激的
最強天才ぱーりぃ
ないっ!
宇宙ーの大熱狂
もうずっとずっと
ハート離さない
よ?

>> No.35723130

>>35722650
wonder what issues he has

>> No.35723142

>>35723129
i said read it not transcribe it
www.vocaroo.com

>> No.35723145

さけがのみたい

https://youtu.be/iR7hBks_X7A

>> No.35723151

it's so hard not to go on sadpanda, pixiv or twitter when you're on np

>> No.35723155

>>35723142
you are not the boss of me

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>>35723109
is this the sequel to...

>> No.35723159

>>35723151
>np
no penis?

>> No.35723160

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7QdcTjK2PI
that is a damn scary root beer float

>> No.35723162

>>35723109
wtf im gonna follow him now

>> No.35723166

>>35723109
dam bro i tried scrolling to the bottom it just kept going

>> No.35723173

>>35723155
what's the point of all this output training if you dont use it

>> No.35723180

>>35723109
he's properly black pilled, i'll give him あれ

>> No.35723186

>>35723155
dont let the holotranny gaslight you he hasnt outputted any jap here

>> No.35723187

just read 下着 as かちゃく

>> No.35723193

dame my boy gayben be blackpilled

>> No.35723194

>>35723180
you think he has a .is account?

>> No.35723197

>>35723173
>all this output training
i've haven't even begun yet, bro

https://vocaroo.com/1dL2MfhQ3WZA

>> No.35723218

>>35723109
lmfao i love you guys
https://www.twitter.com/bilingineer/status/1373728133573140481

they won't die unless i kill them!

>> No.35723219

dame good op https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk1wJaZx5tE

>> No.35723225

is there a way to pay for japanese tv without a credit card?

>> No.35723236

>>35723218
hes right though

>> No.35723254

>>35723212
note it down in your animecards

>> No.35723255

u think garyben is gonna go ER or just rope at 30?

>> No.35723257

>>35723247
no idea haven't watched either season

>> No.35723264
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35723264

fuck anki. i have to drone for a couple more days to catch up on my 2 month backlog

>> No.35723288

there are one thousand four hundred and sixty hours in 2 months

>> No.35723300

>>35723255
no idea

>> No.35723303

それくらいしってる

>> No.35723319

>>35723311
https://www.mlcjapanese.co.jp/level_check_kanji.html
post your level

>> No.35723334

has anyone tried jpdb's srs? is it any good?

>> No.35723342

>>35723319
i dont know why you love that site so much it only goes up to 2k kanji even if you pick them all

>> No.35723349

do you know those words though

>> No.35723364
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Gimme sum harem romance anime recs, lads.

>> No.35723374

>>35723342
when it was first posted a lot of people did it and most people were in the range of like 250-850

>> No.35723380

>>35723404
lmao

>> No.35723383

there are couple of words on that site that i dont know yet. my kanji grid is at 3.1k

>> No.35723400

>>35723383
there are only like 2100 常用漢字, though.

>> No.35723409

>>35723380
trying to timetravel?

>> No.35723430

Which features do you wish Anki had?

>> No.35723434

>>35723359
2K kanji is 2K kanji. The number of words you know that use each kanji depends entirely on what you're willing to learn and what you're not willing to. In many cases, there's only one extremely common word that uses that kanji.
But I get what the other guy meant by the 2k kanji thing, since there's lots of 人名用漢字 and 表外漢字 that are frequently used that don't appear there.

>> No.35723446

>>35723430
self destruct button

>> No.35723453

>>35723430
i'd like to get a fera from time to time

>> No.35723454

if women are allowed to wear make up in public I should be allowed to wear masks in public without being arrested

women bio-degrade faster than plastic

I've figured it out.
It's not that you need to trim your nose hair because that's normal.
It's because women are smaller than you and have to look straight up your nose.

>> No.35723457

>>35723430
Absolutely none because fuck Anki.

>> No.35723458

>>35723400
2.2k i think. the average native knows more than that though so you need more if you want to read comfortably

>> No.35723508

>>35723383
>there are couple of words on that site that i dont know yet
ngmi

>> No.35723510

>>35723334
every part of that site is shit and wrong

>> No.35723534

>>35723510
>t. salty competitor

>> No.35723546

one prolem that i have when i try to output is that sometimes i think of too many words and i don't which one to pick. i'll fix that with the help of misa-chan

>> No.35723556

That feeling when there'll never be another manga as good as kamisama no iutoori.

>> No.35723559

>>35723546
>i don't which one

>> No.35723568

>>35723546
studies show that the average native only uses 500 unique words per year. if you learn more than that, you are crippling yourself.

>> No.35723601

studies show my foot flying toward your ass *shoves foot up ass*

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>>35723601

>> No.35723632

>>35723559
i don't know the verb 'know' yet

>> No.35723633

>>35723428
謄本, and 耐用年数, for 膨張剤 and 坪数 i was able to guess the reading and meaning but i havent seen them so i wouldnt click them

>> No.35723636

YOOOOOO get hyped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKkj1DQ0NU

>> No.35723642

>>35723568
non-sequitur

>> No.35723644

i didnt know any of those either

>> No.35723653

>>35723482
there are natives who are bad at reading just like any other languages

>> No.35723655

the jp font is so tiny in here

>> No.35723661

>>35723653
it's most natives. so dont sweat it when you cant read 迷律

>> No.35723667

>>35723636
looks like shit

>> No.35723668

>>35723655
using meiryo? it's good at small font sizes

>> No.35723675

>>35723636
wow...

>> No.35723681

*native japanese speaker reads at the speed of light and can't read one word once in a blue moon*
>"see? even they don't know kanji"

>> No.35723686

is that the power of wanikani?

>> No.35723688

スニードさんの飼料と種

>> No.35723691

Oh neat there's more chapters of Jagaaaaaaaan I haven't followed it in a couple years, what a nice surprise.

>> No.35723696

>>35723681
they admit it
https://streamable.com/vfpa8h

>> No.35723702

>>35723688
gesundheit

>> No.35723707

ざわ... ざわ...
ざわ...
ざわ... ざわ...
ざわ...
ざわ...

>> No.35723709

>>35723696
it's another level, ya faggot

it's like if mike tyson said
>i don't think my jab is good enough
and you were like "see? even tyson can't throw a jab"

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this is how japanese should always be written
with spaces and without kanji

>> No.35723736

>>35723712
lying about what

>> No.35723739

>>35723736
?

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>>35723709

>> No.35723764

>>35723743
lmao

>> No.35723782

>>35723732
cringe

>> No.35723794

>>35723765
put it inside (brackets) instead

>> No.35723805
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after a hard day of japanese nothing beats english media

>> No.35723807

https://youtu.be/FMovIU1-sBg?t=30

i know what you meant cause thats how i learned english, but with japanese i feel like is different, like i lost that ability

>> No.35723820

>>35723805
Why not Portuguese language media? Isn't Portuguese your native language?

>> No.35723828

>>35723794
それな (トルー)

>> No.35723829

>>35723805
Hollywood is on the way out lmfao.

>> No.35723831

>>35723805
that white chick looks than all jap chicks

>> No.35723834

>>35723820
newfag trying to imitate djt memes

>> No.35723841

hypothesis: output skills increase listening skills

i realized this while i was out there in the (scary) real world. someone yelled something and i couldn't hear exactly what they said and yet i deduced what they said

>> No.35723847

that's listening not output

>> No.35723853

i filled the gaps with the knowledge of my native language.

>> No.35723856

if you don't have a japanese gf tulpa you're ngmi

>> No.35723862

847
lol

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>>35723805

>> No.35723867

Once when I was doing swimming class in school I couldn't hear what the heck the instructor was saying over the echo so I just copied everyone else.

>> No.35723875

>>35723856
dont make a tulpa before youre fluent or you will permanently cripple yourself its like inputting your own output every waking minute

>> No.35723886
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>>35723856
This but unironically desu. If you like real humans too much, you have absolutely no chance of ever learning Japanese.

>> No.35723888

sigh was all alone in the other thread

>> No.35723890

>>35723847
you receive a noisy input
you then compare that noisy input with your mental model of the language
you then deduce what it could be after doing a mental comparison
understanding is achieved

>> No.35723894

>>35723886
Based. I hate 3D and I'm GMI.

>> No.35723900

>>35723856
But what if her design gets trumped next season and i'm stuck with an outdated schizo?

>> No.35723905

>>35723888
welcome home bro

>> No.35723909

>>35721765
fart

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>>35723890
thats just buffing ur listening skill with ur nihongo skill
which didnt come from output

>> No.35723921

>>35723905
thanks senpai

>> No.35723924

>>35723732
truespacelesswritingisretarded

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>>35723875
>dont make a tulpa before youre fluent
You can't become fluent until you've gotten through several thousands of hours of speaking practice. You will never improve unless you know what exactly you have to work on.

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>>35723917
fixed

>> No.35723955

>>35723890
output is when you say words bro

>> No.35723966
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been reading this and lots of stuff makes sense now

>> No.35723968

>>35723948
>speaking has nothing to do with fluency
>fluency (n): the ability to speak or write a foreign language easily and accurately.

>> No.35723969

>>35723928
how the fuck are you going to get 1000s of hours of speaking practice

>> No.35723981

>>35723955
in order to say those words correctly, you first must have knowledge of the language in a deeper way than just recognizing them

>> No.35723994

>>35723981
*than you do when you can only recognize them

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35723998

>>35723969
Figure it out yourself.

>> No.35724027

aren't they different parts of the brain, broca and wernicke
like you can find people with brain damage that can output perfectly but struggle to comprehend what people are saying to them

>> No.35724042

think of it this way

how many of you can understand a literary book?
now how many of you can WRITE a literary book? shit gets tougher, right?

you must know the word precisely to write something of good quality otherwise you'll look like a fool

this is what i meant by "output skills"
i didn't mean just saying words. i meant being able to speak the language (correctly)

>> No.35724052

>>35723981
that happens when you read more instead of droning all day

>> No.35724060

理解る

>> No.35724067

>>35724042
how do you think you got the ability to do so in english

>> No.35724078

>>35724067
breast milk

>> No.35724080

Hating writing in school. Not like based maths where there's only 1 correct answer.

>> No.35724086

>>35724037
If it's either one or the other, or both, then it cannot be neither. Writing is very strongly linked with the ability to speak in the case of literate people, but having the ability to speak isn't necessarily tied to writing in the case of pre-literature/illiterate people.
To claim it has "nothing to do" with speaking would be to claim that there is no need for a person to be able to construct sentences which express ideas in a certain language in order to claim fluency, even though that directly contradicts the necessary implications of the definition provided.

>> No.35724093

>>35724078
interesting hypothesis

>> No.35724107

>>35724067
a lot of input + chatting with natives on the internet

>> No.35724121

>>35724086
its gonna be writing first for anyone here who isnt as retarded as og
and then youre fluent the only thing impeding your speaking is that you arent used to speaking
>To claim it has "nothing to do" with speaking would be to claim that there is no need for a person to be able to construct sentences which express ideas
stop hallucinating arguments

>> No.35724129

you guys ARE doing a daily meditation practice like matt recommends, right?

>> No.35724131

>>35724107
crazy how that works

>> No.35724136

>>35724129
I listen to my favourite vtuber sing while I fall alseep.

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35724177

Do you guys think that if I write a long-ass opinion post on why yuri manga and eroge are the BEST material for any Japanese learner (rivaled only by imouto eroge) and put it up on Reddit then maybe I might be able to get 300 upvotes?
Or do you think it's just gonna get me permanently banned off r/LearningJapanese?

>> No.35724181

>>35722974
LOL

>> No.35724197

yo jamal is this your girl >35712470

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35724205

にどねにどね

>> No.35724208

>>35724197
jamals girl is that picture he keeps posting of that girl with the morphed face and big nose

>> No.35724224

>>35724177
theyll think ur autistic and just quietly downboat it

>> No.35724226

>>35724037
remedial

>> No.35724229

>>35724224
this is their idol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWfKsFp6_z0

>> No.35724248

>>35724197
this is her
https://streamable.com/c8csw8

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You got to be fucking kidding me
>"ヨシヤフ"
Also: https://youtu.be/PYX1aYwjxAg?t=193

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35724281

on 27. gonna try finishing the cell arc today and the rest this weekend

>> No.35724287

fixing to get ready to drone

>> No.35724293

breaking to get ready to go to bed

>> No.35724297

finally out of this dogeating hellhole soon
saraba da

>> No.35724299

>>35724248
its rare to see an animation so disgustingly off beat

>> No.35724303

i believe that your brain does some its brain magic more efficiently when you learn for sure how something is said and you can produce it from memory.

>> No.35724308

>>35724303
yea probably that sounds right but output is boring

>> No.35724312

hopefully youre reading when we hit page 10

>> No.35724317

>>35724303
>for sure how something is said
whats that mean

>> No.35724323

>>35724281
how is it? i just got through my first volume of manga after 250 hours of anime with subs, went pretty smooth i finished it in less than 5 hours at least

>> No.35724333

>>35724317
i'm talmbout the g-word grammar

>> No.35724338

>>35724323
i pretty quickly got 10x faster at reading

>> No.35724341

output is the most fun part of learning Japanese. new languages are rad to speak to people

also thread music had been shit without me. Reasserting dominance
https://youtu.be/GFqKJrxRebM

>> No.35724351

>>35724341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqwKeddXPOg

>> No.35724353

learned that 空く comes from the word for sky so genius sasuga japan (i learned 空く before i learned 空)

>> No.35724366

>>35724333
grammar doesnt tell you for sure how anything is said it just tells you whats grammatically valid lol

>> No.35724368

>>35724353
how

>> No.35724369

>>35724341
totally agree

>> No.35724375

>>35724353
>空く
which 1

>> No.35724376

>>35724366
good point a lot of people have green dreams sleeping furiously

>> No.35724378

>>35724368
2k6k has it come way earlier, newspapers probably use 空く more often than 空

>> No.35724385

>>35724375
すく

>> No.35724386

>>35724341
さあoutput力見せてみろよ

>> No.35724397

>>35724386
are you going to fight him or something LOL read this in a really cool badass voice

>> No.35724399

https://streamable.com/lvs6jg
when you learn the truth about output

>> No.35724400

>>35724385
speaking of which
>空
which 1

>> No.35724406

>>35724366
ok, i get it you want to make this hard for me.

i'm talking about learning and being able to produce from memory whatever it is that makes a 7 year old kid sound native

>> No.35724407

>>35724341
>thread music had been shit without me
you never left

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>>35724397
LOL!

>> No.35724423

>>35724399
what is this trying to convey?

>> No.35724424

>>35724406
it is impossible for a jsl to ever sound as good as a 7 year old native
and i still got no idea what youre tryin to say lol

>> No.35724430

>>35724386
私誰だと思うの?
1000年早いぜ、君

>> No.35724433

>>35724399
this had potential that was squandered

>> No.35724441

>>35724436
wow, that guy sucks at japanese

>> No.35724447

arnold sounds better than any 7 year old

>> No.35724448

>>35724407
not logged into pass on phone and only occasionally can get through

only posted one other time in like 3 days

>> No.35724449

>>35724312
i'm not going to make the next thread btw, so it will be a holothread unless someone else makes it

>> No.35724457

>>35724449
i'll make it when it hits 10

>> No.35724468

>>35724449
dont care
>>35724457
dont care

>> No.35724469

>>35724468
don't care

>> No.35724477

>>35724436
https://youtu.be/BbeTLkC7pSo?t=116

>> No.35724478

>>35724469
don't care

>> No.35724483

>>35724400
そら

>> No.35724484

>>35724424
do you disagree that there is a certain way that natives expect things to be said and they all know how to do it. even a little kid? do you disagree that the more you learn to speak according to their expectations then it's likely that you brain will be better at handling the language as a whole?

>> No.35724492

>>35724430
why 私 use something more badass like 俺

>> No.35724503

>>35724477
/dct/

>> No.35724505

>>35724492
この俺様

>> No.35724506

>>35724477
damn i want to mating press this chink

>> No.35724508

>>35724477
what's wrong with shin

>> No.35724510

>>35724477
why do people subject themselves to such a horrid language they must be masocists

>> No.35724511

Bruh it's not hard to get an accent, just live there for a couple years.

>> No.35724520

>>35724511
or you know get japanese friends on discord and chat with them every day

>> No.35724521

>>35724484
nah but the bigger the sentences get the more freedom there is
thats the prob i had with
>for sure how something is said
depends what you mean by learn to speak according to their expectations
there are more and less productive things someone could do

>> No.35724523

>>35724510
you just moved there??

>> No.35724529

>>35724523
why would you want to live in china

>> No.35724532

>>35724449
youre the only one that makes holo threads

>> No.35724534

>>35724510
running out of chinese houses in japanese

>> No.35724536

jealous of guys with super deep voices they don't have to worry about pitch accent cuz it's so subtle at that point

>> No.35724542

>>35724477
the chinese react to thing wont work like the japs react to because no one likes chinks

>> No.35724555

>>35724552
people have been saying that for years no way china will reign supreme over world influence japan will rise again

>> No.35724557

the world is moving away from chinkoids after what they did with the ching chong flu

>> No.35724560

then who will be the next superpower

>> No.35724569

Yeah I heard all the business men pushing the idea that china will be big in 50 years. Don't know how long ago that was though.

>> No.35724570

>>35724542
if they figure out how to make anime in another 30 years things might be different

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>>35724520
I've never even made friends with other Western people through Discord. As far as I know, Discord is all gay pedos who wanna make men take HRT and post pics of themselves crossdressing while showing off their dicks.
Oh and people who like raiding smaller boards.
I've heard lots of people say that they've made friends with people through Discord, but the ones whom I personally know who have said that are severely mentally ill shut-ins who have gender dysphoria and schizophrenia.

>> No.35724581

>>35724570
china already makes a lot of the anime you watch today it's just the shitty low production value ones though

>> No.35724585

>>35724577
I'll ad you but only if you have a hime cut.

>> No.35724586

>>35724577
uh yeah you don't make friends through discord you make friends through other means and add them on discord

>> No.35724588

>>35724577
accurate description of discord

>> No.35724590

>>35724560
japan i will make it so

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>>35724585
I suck at fully improvised, high speed conversations and am ugly in real life, so I don't think I could be of much use to you.

>> No.35724602

>>35724592
wear a mask

>> No.35724609

>>35724592
That's ok because you post cute Anime girls and that tricks my animal brain.

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>>35724602
I have said it once and I will say it twice again if I need to : no.
>>35724609
Boards like /qa/ and /r9k/ are full of people who post cute anime girls who are very obviously not cute at all judging by the content of their posts.

>> No.35724639

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR_mZ93DzHM

>> No.35724643

hate schizo hours

>> No.35724669

>>35724643
didn't snowden teach you ANYTHING? WE LIVE UNDER MASS SURVEILLANCE.

the second you open your browser you're being watched by highly advanced AI. they ARE listening. they ARE mining your data. privacy is free speech. privacy is a human right. why do you think you're forced to fill a captha on this website? i'll tell you one thing and it's not to remove bots and spam.

call it schizoposting but you get on dw right now and learn about netsec, opsec and infosec and you will be paranoid. they are watching.

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>>35724643
I don't think I have schizophrenia. I know I've got Asperger's syndrome, but I think that's it.

>> No.35724690

>>35724635
Your words aren't hostile and you seem to be honest in your discussion. I like that. I also like that you post cute anime girls.

>> No.35724691

>>35724681
i am they

>> No.35724702

>>35724698
only if you learn japanese

>> No.35724703

based

>> No.35724705

>>35724681
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance

>> No.35724712

>>35724691
俺に惚れちゃいましたかい?

>> No.35724720

>>35724705
check this out i think it will help you
www.wanikani.com

>> No.35724731

REMEMBER TO NOT BELIEVE WIKIPEDIA. SEEK INFORMATION ON THE UNCENSORED INTERNET. DO NOT USE REGULAR WEB BROWSERS.

>> No.35724733

>>35724690
you couldnt be more obvious with this samefag and you dont even know why

>> No.35724748

this is the daily japanese thread

>> No.35724749

imagine thinking the government is watching you masturbate and shitpost

>> No.35724750

>>35724733
i do know why

>> No.35724753

>>35724731
based schizo tech hippie

>> No.35724754

>>35724749
kek

>> No.35724755

What do I do when my FBI agent won't respond to me on discord? Do I get issued a new one?

>> No.35724762

>>35724749
sometimes when i say やばい事 on discord calls i tell my assigned federal agent that it was a joke

>> No.35724771

>>35724755
absence makes the heart grow fonder
be patient and dont look so needy and hell get back to you eventually

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>>35724755
Why would an FBI agent talk to you through Discord to collect information instead of placing an undetectable wiretap on your computer? Do you think they're really THAT interested in socializing with a person like you?

>> No.35724799

>>35724755
send him a dick pick and tell him exactly what you want him to do with it

>> No.35724801

>>35724720
youre not gonna finish by the end of the weekend if you keep opening the thread

>> No.35724804

>>35724749
it's not so much that they are "watching" you as we speak
they are collecting information for future use in case of need

>> No.35724805

like to imagine my assigned federal agent is a cute otaku meganekko

>> No.35724806

>>35724797
you would be surprised

>> No.35724818

ドイツとベルギー国境で洪水ってニュースはいってきた

たすけにいきたい

>> No.35724827

>>35724797
anon, the FBI shitposts with us every day on djt
quit thinking of your agent as an emptionless being and see him as the friendly neighborhood glowie that he is

>> No.35724831

>>35724820
素朴

>> No.35724835

>>35724820
i post false information all the time and it's not on purpose i just spend all day baiting and trolling people.

>> No.35724838

Has anyone here ever made a Japanese twitter account for passive immersion?
It seems like a good idea on paper to me but I haven't used real social media in 10+ years, I don't understand how any of this stuff works yet alone how it works in japanese

>> No.35724843

>>35724804
true but if they needed it and didnt have it they could just create it

>> No.35724851

>>35724838
i mostly follow mostly japanese artist so my feed is or more less 50% anyway also like to chat up my favorite indie vtuber from time to time

>> No.35724858

>>35724838
japanese twitter is great but i dont have an account dedicated to it yet since im still not sure what all i should follow. i currently only follow nhk, jaxa, and a few baseball teams

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35724865

>>35724805
>kko
それに疑義があります

>> No.35724878

>>35724865
i think women usually work jobs like that more so than men similar to accounting

>> No.35724887

>>35724838
yeah i did that but i couldnt find enough people to follow besides artists and horomen so i just started using it less

>> No.35724900

>>35724887
it's good if you have a purpose like content creation

>> No.35724908

gonna need the schizos to go home

>> No.35724914

>>35724797
I really like these outfits, they are cute.

>> No.35724926

>or you could transla'it
misa's accent makes me angry for some reason

>> No.35724936

>>35724914
all of these are holos

>> No.35724946

only low iq complain about schizos

>> No.35724947

>>35724936
Holos have cute outfits.

>> No.35724949

>>35724797
oddo ai is so hot

>> No.35724955

>>35724908
yeah this guy need to hug his fbi agent

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>>35724908
>go home
Do you think I even have a home?

>> No.35724988

you know your language is garbage when a large part of it is only ever found in writing and it's necessary to distinguish homophones and spoken japanese ends up being mostly grade school vocabulary mixed with "yabai" and "sugoi"

>> No.35724995

ban brazil and watch most of the schizo posting stop

>> No.35725007

huebros... you got too cocky...

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>>35724995
I'm from Mexico though.

>> No.35725013

Wish I had a friend who would post cute images at my all day.

>> No.35725018

>>35725010
まぁ、許す

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this is the image that is brought to my mind when i hear her accent

>> No.35725036

krillin doesnt believe in god

>> No.35725037

>>35724988
sad, but true. i guess japanese is better written, not spoken. not going to practice speaking.

>> No.35725055

>>35725037
i think it's a matter of convenience rather than utility

>> No.35725063

i mean just how complex do you think most people actually speak english if you pay attention it's probably comparable in terms of simplicity

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35725066

>>35725018
許さなくてもいいです
>>35725013
Somebody who did that would probably be a bit of a one-trick pony, wouldn't they? After a while you'd wanna look at other stuff, wouldn't you?

>> No.35725067

it's so pathetic how formulaic anime has become and has been for over 10 years
fuck the people who enable this

>> No.35725074

>>35724988
>when a large part of it is only ever found in writing
literally every language that has any value
>and spoken japanese ends up being mostly grade school vocabulary mixed with "yabai" and "sugoi"
literally every language even if it has no value

>> No.35725077

>>35725067
you can blame the low standards of most otaku both in the eat and west

>> No.35725080

>>35725067
yeah this guy needs to listen to a libido kamen lecture

>> No.35725099

>>35725010
ive been to チワワ

>> No.35725107

>>35724988
And what exactly is wrong with "grade school vocabulary"? Are we supposed to not learn the most common and fundamental words of the language until we get old? Are adults supposed to use only words that they didn't know as children?
I guess that gets rid of words like you, know, your, language, is, garbage, when, a, large, etc... every word in your post would be known by a grade schooler. Maybe "distinguish" and "homophones" would cause problems for the slow kids like you.

>> No.35725112

what does kamen mean

>> No.35725114

>>35725066
Ideally they would say good morning and goodnight everyday and also teach me a Japanese word.

>> No.35725116

>>35725112
mask

>> No.35725117

>>35725067
Super robot anime was very formulaic back in the '70s. Space opera and real robot anime became highly formulaic back in the 80s. Mahou shoujo and romance harem anime were already pretty formulaic by the 90s. Slice of life anime just recycled conventions from other genres and pretty much cut out anything otherworldly or magical in them and reduced romance/drama to a minimum.
It's been heading towards that since quite a while ago.

>> No.35725119

>>35725112
it's a thing that kamen rider rides

>> No.35725125

>>35725117
any good modern space opera anime?

>> No.35725133

>>35725125
ginga eiyuu remake is fine if you can get over the cg and the odd character designs

>> No.35725138

haven't the new gundam been pretty well received too

>> No.35725146

>>35724887
https://twitter.com/Kinoko_Channel

>> No.35725149

fuck using anki to memorize how to read words like 迸る

imma master particles with cloze deletion flashcards instead

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>>35717828
Please help me /DJT/

What does this say?

>> No.35725168

>>35725138
think so, but havent watched gundam in ages personally

>> No.35725171

>>35725157
this is spanish

>> No.35725179

>>35725157
translation requests go to /int/ not here

>> No.35725187

>>35725149
hotobasiru?

>> No.35725188

>>35725157
Lmao who would use complex symbols in a written language.

>> No.35725200

>>35725157
>>35725171
i think its portuguese actually

>> No.35725217

>>35725157
this is what i can make out
御契約車両

御契約頂き誠に!
契約車に付き

>> No.35725221

>>35725157
契約者共(?)
契約頂き誠にありがとうございます!
契約者に何?に触れぬ様に宜しくお願い致します!!

>> No.35725231

damn you were able to recognize way more than me

>> No.35725234

>>35725157
>>35725157
>>35725157
>>35725157
>>35725157
〇契約車両
〇契約頂き誠に
ありがとうございます!
契約車に idk れぬ
様に宜しくお願い致します

>> No.35725238 [DELETED] 

>>35725107
there's nothing wrong with grade school vocabulary and i wasnt using it as a pejorative

>> No.35725255

should i make a new thread or are we fine with the one someone already made?

>> No.35725274

>>35725157
i've solved the puzzle with the help of the other posters

御契約車両

御契約頂き誠にありがとうございます!
契約車に付き お手に触れぬ
様 宜しくお願いいたします

>> No.35725275

Post lots of girls in frilly dresses in the next thread. This will help me to learn Japanese.

>> No.35725283
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35725283

>>35725255
Make an off-board DJT, preferably on a red board.

>> No.35725291

>>35724966
is she ready for anal

>> No.35725294

okay if holobro says to make one then i definitely wont make one

>> No.35725296
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35725296

>>35725291
She is.

>> No.35725312

>>35725293
feel free

>> No.35725319
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>>35725293
Or /b/ for retards
Or /b/ with flags
Or /b/ for furfags.
(you know what I'm talking about if you've been there).

>> No.35725324

well doesnt look like anyone cares about the new op so i wont bother

>> No.35725347
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>>35725221
>>35725234
>>35725274
i googled "契約車に付き" to see if it made sense and because of that i found the last part that i couldn't figure out which was 手

>> No.35725370

>>35725324
name 1 thing wrong with my op

>> No.35725387

>>35725255
yes it's a stealth holoshitter thread

>> No.35725389

>>35725347
lol i was thinking it looked like おモに角虫れぬ

>> No.35725394

>>35725370
you claimed youre intermediate when you clearly are better than that
keep your chin up bro

>> No.35725408

wow he made a stealth holo thread and then shilled wani right after. its time for the return of the he switched tactics guy

>> No.35725428

>>35725408
based

>> No.35725431

>>35725387
too late, gave that thread my blessing
we are stuck with it now

>> No.35725438

>>35725428
no its not me i just hope he does return

>> No.35725444

>>35725431
i know the feel

>> No.35725454

>>35725438
let me redo that
>wow he made a stealth holo thread and then shilled wani right after
based

>> No.35725495

>>35725454
oh wow stay in ur thread holotranny

>> No.35725600

anybody wanna make a temporary DJT shelter on /trash/? just call it the /nihongo benkyou and Anki usage thread/ - /nbaut/ .

>> No.35725654

>>35725600
lets do it. make it bro

>> No.35725671

YOSH
>>>/trash/40229202

>> No.35725737

is n3 enough for fs/n

>> No.35725747

it is for tsukihime so probably

>> No.35725748

i started reading fsn as n3 and finished it as a n1

>> No.35725750

>>35725737
yeah

>> No.35725755

>>35725748
is that you 400 hours guy

>> No.35725764

post anime charas that deserve a slow and painful death

>> No.35725769

>>35725747
already read tsukihime in english but may do it again in japanese thanks

>>35725748
>>35725750
thanks brothers

>> No.35725870

>>35725757
get rekt holofag
everyone get in here >>>/trash/40229202

>> No.35725882

>>35725870
>holofag
???

>> No.35725902

>>35725882
schizophrenia on the rise 気にすんな

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>>35725764
It was either pic related or the idiot girl from made in abyss

>> No.35725932

>>35725870
what a shitshow already

>> No.35725962
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35725962

does 渡そう mean "almost give" here ?

i don't think i know all the meanings of sou

>> No.35725971
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35725971

>>35725962

>> No.35725976

>>35725962
~おう is not そう

>> No.35725986

>>35725962
that's the volitional form of he verb, my friend

>> No.35725987

>>35725971

oh

>> No.35725988

>>35725962
"I actually wanted to give this to you during the day but..."
is this accurate translation

>> No.35725991

>>35725988
not during the day during lunch bro

>> No.35725995

>>35725988
I initially wrote "was thinking of" or "hoping" would work too I thought

>>35725991
Ohhh thank you thank you

>> No.35726026

>>35725971

yeah i forgot about this

>> No.35726034

i should probably use that site that tells me what kind of verb conjugation it is

>> No.35726047

>>35726034
no you shouldn't you should read and watch more japanese and stop doing analyzing details

>> No.35726051

>>35725971
what is actually happening:
本当は「お昼に渡そう」と思ってたんだけど

she is quoting her thought

>> No.35726054
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35726054

is this volitional form too?

>> No.35726055

>>35726034
http://www.japaneseverbconjugator.com/

>> No.35726060

>>35726054
read this and stop guessing
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/desire_volition#Volitional_Form

>> No.35726063

>>35726054
ye

>> No.35726075

>>35726063
crippled

>> No.35726087

>>35726060

i already know this

渡そう confused me because it's not like the mashou and shiyou verbs

>> No.35726089

>>35726075
ore nakou ni iku

>> No.35726103

>>35720796
>by an unspecified amount
lol

ok so you're doing this deliberately, got it

>>35720796
>it's really not though. you're saying a word that shows up once every million words is common but that's not really something that a normal person would think
uh a million words is not much

maybe you should read more

>>hyperbole and statement
>yawn.
"oh crap i have no counter argument"

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35726116

i see

>> No.35726131

this is the intermediate thread

>> No.35726134

>>35726087
to form -そう you have to put the verb in the 連用形 form (the same used in masu verbs)

渡す -> 渡し -> 渡しそう

>> No.35726140

sou isnt a form its a word

>> No.35726150

yeah it's a suffix

>> No.35726159

>>35726109
matt already put anacreon in the trash but now he's trying to climb back out again

>> No.35726162

just when i thought i was out they pull me back in

>> No.35726187

pull back in this
*unzips pants*

>> No.35726205

>>35726140

sou i think is used on adjectives

for example oishisou and kawaisou

i don't think it can be used on verbs

>> No.35726213

>>35726205

never mind it can be used with verbs

>> No.35726222

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdK4xBJpox0

>> No.35726224

language learning isn't a race stfu

>> No.35726242

>>35725157
still easier than the captcha

>> No.35726251
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>>35726242
wtf are u talking about
new captcha rocks

>> No.35726261

>>35725157

i recognize
argatous gozaimasou in the second line

>> No.35726262

>>35726242
the new captcha is way faster and more consistent than the old 1

>> No.35726271

>>35726261
>gozaimasou
gonna beat ur butt

>> No.35726305

>>35726224
i was just posting jerk off material
shes half jap half turk
fuck someone has to export more turks to nipland
https://www.instagram.com/ruriohama/

>> No.35726337

>>35726242 true >>35726262 true

>> No.35726340

>>35726222
>animes

>> No.35726341

>>35726222
>"how to learn japanese?"
>i'm going to watch this
>"native speaker"
>nevermind

>> No.35726343

土壇場

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