You don't have to be non-Japanese to be a weaboo.

[Anonymous No.]

The traits that make a weaboo an exercise in keeping sanity, such as the obnoxious application

of fictional mannerisms in real life, dreams of magical katanas that gracefully slice the

glorified sharpened clubs that the barbarian westerners call swords, a complete lack of

aesthetic, pathetic racism, cultural ignorance, and abuse of emoticons and ASCII artwork remain

insufferable to matter which race or nationality of which a person is.

The only difference is that a western weaboo actively chose the worst elements of a foriegn

culture to emulate, and Japanese weaboos are ignorant narcissists.

</rage>. The magical katana trope wouldn't irritate me as much if there weren't people who take

it seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

Fascinating

[tristan !tzara749YA No.]

That image should be an instant ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>katanas that gracefully slice the glorified sharpened clubs that the barbarian westerners call swords

Have you ever even COMPARED the wars of feudal japan with medieval europe? The first were about speed, lethality, and focus. Knights fight like an MMO fight with all tanks but even more crude.

[Anonymous No.]

I agree with you, but take this to /a/.

[OP No.]

Those more familiar with Japanese social norms, please enlighten me. How are "weaboos" treated in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

WEEABOO = WAPANESE = WHITE PERSON WHO WANTS TO BE JAPANESE

JESUS FUCK WHY IS THAT SO GODDAMN HARD TO COMPREHEND IT IS NOT A MAGICAL BUZZWORD THAT YOU CAN DEFINE ANY WAY YOU DAMN WELL PLEASE

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538947
No stop talking before this turns into a shit storm. Again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538947
>Knights fight like an MMO fight with all tanks but even more crude.

What? no.
That was only in the few ages before gunpowder made armor useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538952
They hate them just as much as we do.

[OP No.]

>>3538953
The word weaboo is much more useful if we infer more than just wanting to be Japanese. If you hate the juxtaposition of a slang word that has no formal definition, what word would you suggest using to describe the common "weaboo"?

[Anonymous No.]

>pathetic racism
>Japanese weaboos are ignorant narcissists.
pot
kettle
black

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538961
The word is FAGGOT!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538967
FAGGOT = HOMOSEXUAL

JESUS FUCK WHY IS THAT SO GODDAMN HARD TO COMPREHEND IT IS NOT A MAGICAL BUZZWORD THAT YOU CAN DEFINE ANY WAY YOU DAMN WELL PLEASE

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538953
Haven't you noticed how OP said (and keeps saying) weaboo instead of weeaboo? Just ignore him.

[Anonymous No.]

Eat shit and die moron, weeaboo is a fucking wordfilter for wapanese.

[Suigin !YUsuiginy. No.]

somebody shop shiki's face on that girl's

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538936
How many times has this fucking pic been posted? I lurk here all the time and I don't even know the sauce.

[Anonymous No.]

How to tell if someone just discovered 4chan.

>weaboo

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538974
CAAAAAAPSSS LOOOOOOOCK!

[Suigin !YUsuiginy. No.]

>>3538990
The Sacred Blacksmith

[tristan !tzara749YA No.]

STOP IT AHHHH

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell? Is it some kind of a dirty word around here?

Weaboos are so predictable.

[Anonymous No.]

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d12 Damage 19-20 x4 Crit +2 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon) 2d10 Damage 17-20 x4 Crit +5 to hit and damage Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish that fucking PBF strip never existed.

Along with whatever caused the appearance of the word 'emo' in every fucking context possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539011
Oh katana copypasta, how do you show up on boards that have no idea what "d20" means?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539044
What? d20 is everywhere newfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539013
>I wish that fucking PBF strip never existed.
That's a stupid thing to say. If that happened some other word would've been used for the wordfilter and the overall result would be the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538936
>can't spell weeaboo
>uses the word trope

I might agree, but you are a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't really know how many people here trolls and how many who thinks that they know stuff.
I am guessing full out trolls but who knows and I guess that I shouln't really post in this thread

I little qoute from wikipedia
>While it looks heavy, a full plate armour set could be as light as only 20 kg (45 pounds) if well made of tempered steel. This is less than the weight of modern combat gear of an infantry soldier (usually 25 to 35 kg), and the weight is more evenly distributed.

Wikipedia is wikipedia though but this fact is still true.
Knights were agile and the agility they lost because of their armors weren't much at all. You'd be amazed of how much weight you can carry if it is distrubited evenly throughout your whole body in a good way.

And Knights had to be agile and a knights footwork is something that could somewhat be compared to that of modern boxing.
Anyway, the armor did its job well and it revolutionized war. Armors don't just lessen the damage like in games etc, armors makes people immune against certain types of damage. And plate-armor made knights immune against practically all weapons except maces and other heavy blunt weapons, the heaviest types of swords and heavy polearms when used as cavalry.
Thus making most weapons obeslete and leaving Heavy swords such as the claymore together with weapons such as maces and lances that were supposed to be used with horses the only weapons that were used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539218
This is the main reason why the production of heavier swords started "exploded" in europe. And as if it seems that there actually are people who didn't know this fact but the making of western swords were no kiddie play either. The blacksmith arts were something that was passed down from generation to generation and that is what eventually made tempered full steel armours available and eventually the heavier swords that were favored later.
Such swords were folded as well, just like katanas, in fact almost all swords were folded it has almost always been a fundamental technique when making swords.

Sharpness and cutting power and almost everything aside.
Katanas are basically the best sword there is against unarmored foes or foes with very light armor even though they are fragile swords that cannot block .
Western swords as those that knights mainly used were havier swords that weren't as agile as most other swords but they were a lot more durable and rarely broke at all and the most special thing about them is the fact that the heavier swords had the abillity to penentrate plate armor which almost only maces were able to do otherwise.

The thought of a Katana cutting through either plate armor or a properly forged western sword ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539221
If you have ever tried Kendo then you should know that they always bitch about the fact that Katanas can't block cause they are likely to break, and thus you learn how to carefully parry attacks which lessens the chances of the katana breaking.
Parrying doesn't stun the opponent as good as a full out block does though and the fact that Katanas aren't even capable of blocking shows that they are fragile swords. They are sharp and agile but sharpness != cutting power.

If we were to look at the lighter and western swords one will notice that almost all of them were made to be used together with a shield. Shields are great things that completely shields its wielder from damage. Certain types of shields were even more durable than plate armor while some other types of shields were designed to make the opponents weapon get stuck and there were even a few combinations that tried to do a little bit of both.
Shields were also made so that they could be used offensively, if a shield couldn't break a mans skull with a simple thrust then it wasn't a good enough shield.
And the shield bash is basically a tackle with enormous power due the the strength of the average knight + the added weight of their armor and gear.
(but as stated above the gear was distributed evenly so that there almost wasn't any loss of agillity.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539268
>>3539221
>>3539218
These posts were reallu unneccessary but with this posted once then I guess that I can ignore these threads all the easier in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539218
>implying a knight has ever fought on foot and not on horseback

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539427

Google "Landsknecht".

Also, any knight will fight on foot if his horse dies from under him.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539427

British knights at Crecy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539450
>British
You mean English

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539458

Nah, British. Were Welsh nobles among the knights if I recall correctly.
If not, then English.

[Anonymous No.]

There's lots of shit katanas can't do that longswords can. As a single edged sword, katana has only eight basic attack angles. A longsword has another eight with the reverse blade, plus a variety of thrusts, half-sword techniques and the hilarious "murderstroke" (mordhau) where you grab the sword by the blade and use it as a club. None of these are possible on a katana. It's designed to do one thing well, a slashing strike with the first third of the blade.

To be fair, it IS extremely good at that. It has been tested that a katana does cut soft targets (wrapped cloth bundles) better than a longsword. But it doesn't so much as scratch steel, let alone cut it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539427
They were trained to fight without horses if no horses were available, which they weren't all of the time.
And a horse could die before it's master.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539463
The 'Welsh' nobles would be English nobles given land in wales by the king

[Anonymous No.]

lol wut can a katana cut through a broadsword?

Now that's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538936
I keep seeing this image. What is it from and why is everyone making a big deal over it?

People are acting like this is the first anime to have something fucking retarded in it

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539497

Suspected as much. English they were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539464
>hilarious "murderstroke" (mordhau)
I saw this technique in the Witcher and I couldn't believe it was real, I thought why are you holding the blade wouldn't you cut yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539512

You use it with these babies.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539512

Looks nasty, but with gauntlets or even gloves you can usually hold and even squeeze the blade without getting cut. It only really gets dangerous if the blade starts to slide in your hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539503
>People are acting like this is the first anime to have something fucking retarded in it
I believe the thing this time is the fact that it seems to be some kind of theme of the whole show or something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

Blunt weapons, like maces, and penetrating weapons, like the warhammer, are effective against armor.

I have no real knowledge about this, but as I heard it:

- Maces put dents into armor, dents make moving painful, less agility.
- Warhammers have a powerful impact and their sharp side pierces the armor.

Coincidently, warhammers also have a blunt side.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539562

A good hit on the head from a mace will kill even if the helmet isn't even dented, since no medieval helmet protects against concussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539503
Not only they portrait katanas as the strongest weapons ever created by mankind, but they also treat every other western weapon as a piece of steaming shit.

I don't mind seeing kickass katanas like they did in Rurouni Kenshin for example, but when they add some nationalism bullshit to make stupid kids proud of their own country, now that's fucking retarded.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539589

Come to think of it, what show is this anyway?

Posting American katana to balance the nationalism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539585
Are you including helms under the broad classification of 'helmet'? Because padded skullcaps were worn under Greathelms precisely for the reason you've mentioned.

[Anonymous No.]

wow, every katana thread on /k/ was just a shitstorm of troll but this thread is far better than /k/

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539589
No, not really.
All they say is that hand forged swords are better than molded unsharpened monosteel clubs. It just happens that the hand forged sword is a katana.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539627

Yes. The killing factor here is inertia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539627
Irregular mace heads allows focus of force on one point to nullify that. Blunt trauma can take a man out easily if not outright killing him.

Mace > Swords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539654
Wasn't the standard gear for unmounted knights a shield and mace? And with a sword as a secondary weapon?

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

>>3539648
Can't upload pics for some reason at the moment, but we see various forms of padding and "suspended" liners in old helmets. While these seldom survive today, many old helmets have a series of holes, rivets, or other such which can be seen, which are where the liner was attached.

As for inertia, the mass of the helmet helps a bit there on it's own. As the inertia is spread between helmet and weapon (conservation of momentum) the velocity drops, and the impact lessened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539630
Well yeah.
To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if there are equally overpowered western swords later in the series but the series sure started like crap.

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

>>3539661
Polearm and a sidearm rather, shields probably for ca 1400 and earlier. The sword would probably be the most common choice of sidearm on the whole, but a mace or axe might be more common in some specific places and times (mostly in the late middle ages).

Of course dismouted knights were pretty rare, mostly an English thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, guys, when discussing knights please remember that there were like 50 different versions that all used different tactics and weapons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539512
Regarding that, the game had quite a few differences from the books, where we learn that the witcher swords were sharp as a razor. It evidently is not the case in the game, since Geralt has only leather gloves.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539663

>Can't upload pics for some reason at the moment, but we see various forms of padding and "suspended" liners in old helmets.

Same. Having to try uploading 3-5 times per pic right now, something's wrong. Try it again.

Haven't seen any old preserved padding, so can't speak of that. But you'd suppose that considering how inertia damage isn't an insignificant hazard, they'd have developed some form of protection against it, though they probably called it something else.
What you're saying is there'd be some form of flexible padding to slow down the sudden jerk? Similar to the IED-sling in Challengers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539686
The sword used to perform that move is the steel sword, it's one of the finishers so that could be why?

Offcourse the game will deviate from the original material, it is to be expected.

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

>>3539693
Preserved padding/liners are rare as heck, and pics of them seem to be even worse (being hidden inside the helmet and all). Here are some old separate padded caps though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539268
Shields were very rare and considerd "specialised" equipment mainly for sieges and such, it was much more likely they would of carried a sword breaker in the other hand.

>>3539654
They also require little to no skill to use.

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

A sallet where we cans till see the leather strip the liner would have been stitched to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539750
>Shields were very rare

No

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539770
Well i said that wrong, but they were not commonly used for every battle.

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

Modern sallet repro.

>>3539268 and thus you learn how to carefully parry attacks which lessens the chances of the katana breaking.
Which are quite similar to stuff we see in, for example, European longsword fencing.

>>Parrying doesn't stun the opponent as good as a full out block does though
On the other hand, you can often help yourself to some extra speed from the opponents attack, making for a truly devastating counter.

>>3539750 Shields were very rare and considerd "specialised" equipment mainly for sieges and such
Not in pre-1400 Europe, no.

>>it was much more likely they would of carried a sword breaker in the other hand.
Sword breakers don't turn up until the typical knight has left the battlefield for good, and from what I can tell, they were never common, and probably not military weapons either.

All in all, I recommend that you relabel whatever you're using as a source for this as "pure fiction, any correlation to reality being purely by chance".

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539744

Well... I'll be damned, you learn something every day. Seen plenty of variations of padded caps, but none covering the whole head. These look like they'd stabilize the neck to some extent, so they would probably provide some means of protection against the whole jerking motion.
What sort of helm are these intended to be worn under?

[Anonymous No.]

I would pay to see a katana wielding jap to take on one of these.

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

Another modern replica, this time of a great bascinet.

>>3539776
Where the heck do you get this from? Are you perhaps confusing the 17th century for the middle ages or some such?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539789
Stop trying to educate trolls.

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

>>3539780
Not sure, pic is from the Jagd- und Rüstkammer, which seems to focus mostly on 15th and 16th century stuff. Possible frogmouth tournament helmets, considering the considerable coverage, but I think any "full" helmet from that period could fit in as well.

Here's a 16th century helmet which appears like it still has it's liner, though it's not exactly easy to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3539780
>What sort of helm are these intended to be worn under?
Not that anon but aren't those made for standard greathelms?

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

Late 16th century cavalry helmet (yes, taking some liberties with the "medieval" bit here.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3538936
I still don't understand why people try to create such a shitstorm over that image. I mean, it's an anime about (apparently) MAGIC swords. In the end of the first episode, the main characters forges a sword inside some kind of glowing ball, and the sword is ablaze right after that. How can that shit not be magical? And thus, since it's a magical sword, it can do all sorts of illogical shit. Which nobody should try to explain, because, well, anime is usually purely fiction. Which means it doesn't have many ties to the reality as we know it.

That said, please continue with this thread, I can say it's fairly interesting. I might drop by /k/ one of these days to read a bit more about weapons, even though I know that like most of the boards in 4chan, it isn't really about weapons.

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

Finally a frogmouth helm, in case anyone wondered what kind of helm that is.

>>3539812
I suspect that those specific caps are a hundred years or so too young for that, but they'd probably work nicely under a great helm too, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

I like how nobody even mentions the name of this.
Must be really shitty.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3539805

Ah. It seems we're about 400 years apart, then.
My impression was that the barrel helmet would've been worn with a simple metal skullcap underneath, which would in turn have been (highly economically) padded for comfort rather than protection. Seems the focus was more towards deflecting cuts than absorbing heavy blows straight on.
Needless to say, in the light of history it doesn't sound like a very efficient arrangement.

[Anonymous No.]

ARE ANY OF THOSE HELMETS JAPANESE?

[KM !hgcMxFhLmk No.]

>>3539821 I might drop by /k/ one of these days to read a bit more about weapons

For old stuff you might wish to try any and all of the following before /k/, at least if you're interested in somewhat reliable information:
http://www.myarmoury.com/
http://forums.swordforum.com/
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/ (Misleading URL)
http://forum.grtc.org/
http://www.nihontomessageboard.com/

>>3539835
Well, the perishable nature of organic materials makes it hard to find surviving liners from earlier on.

Assuming your barrel helm is a great helm though, then IIRC Oakeshott states that those where worn with quite a few layers underneath. First the wearers bunched up hair (fashion back then having some Samsonian tendencies, so that could be a bit), then a padded cap, then a metal skullcap, then the mail coif, and finally the great helm. All this being perhaps a bit much, some people would skip the great helm and fight in just the rest, resulting in the skull cap evolving into the bascinet. This would also be why many knights depicted with their mail coif on, but their great helm off, appear to have such large heads.

>>3539841
No.