/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

How the fuck do I get this overpowered faggot? He and his children all have ~1000 soldiers in their squads.

[Anonymous No.]

>implying ~1000 is impressive
Like you do with any other ones, save and try over and over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511676
Is this your 2nd game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511687
First actually. I considering making them surrendering.

[Anonymous No.]

You shouldnt have 1000 except on high end difficulties or unless your troops are near 1000 as well.

None of their stats are particularly impressive except the one with commander charge and ieyasu himself.

[Anonymous No.]

You can only get ieyasu from teh 2nd playthrough onwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511689
You cannot recruit him.
If it's a matter of beating him, capturing subordinates before the final fight helps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511689
You need to capture one of his kids... I forget which though. You get an event with them when you raise them up to trust where they tell you that Ieyasu's favorite food is tempura. During the final fight you'll then get an option where you can either fight Ieyasu or give him tempura.

Giving him tempura will make him join you.

This might be available only on your second play-through though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511714
It should also be noted that if you take Ieyasu as a commander you won't be able to get Senhime or the H-scene with her (and the associated satisfaction bonus).

[Anonymous No.]

Where do I get this game? /rs/ links are dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511723
Senhime sucks anyways, there are much better footsoldier units than her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511738
Hongfire torrent.
IT DOES HAVE SEEDS.
Also, if you have a hard-on for direct downloads, several sites have mirrors, if you google around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511714
It's Sakakibara Yasumasa. The one that's always asleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511738
Hongfire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511740
Lol really? Like who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511742
I'm currently seeding, for mah /jp/ bros.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511740
Not really, no.
Only 3 units are truly better than her(maybe 4 since Katsuie is default and easier to utilize)
But she is the easiest to get and has the highest level cap of all of them. All-Guard by default, decent stats, auto-heal can be utilized very well.

[Anonymous No.]

Auto heal is useless. Oh look you heal a few dozen units.

Enchanced initial guard is much more important, unless you have super fast speed, lots of enemies will go before you and bypass your 50% starting guard(which drops to 10% after the first hit). Also since allguard chance is shitty, you need as much starting guard as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511765
Auto-heal is broken in early battles, and still useful much later on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511769
Having Sill unfrozen when you fight Takeda is lulz. I can have Rance in the last battle, and then go straight to the battle with the 3 generals. Pop off the first general if I'm a little low on troops, and then hit standby until they're done attacking and until I have enough troops to finish them off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511805
Go kill yourself you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511824
... Wat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511805
>Sill unfrozen
My god, are you playing Rance 9?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511824
why so butthurt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511824
Am I not playing the game the way you want me to? AM SO SORRY.

[Anonymous No.]

Its because the 3 generals ahve 50 troops each, they kill themselves if they attack normally(except for yoshikage).

Also standby uses up action flags.

[Anonymous No.]

Its because the 3 generals ahve 50 troops each, they kill themselves if they attack normally(except for yoshikage).

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3511888
As I have said many times:
Rance with over 900 Troops and attack/defense 9, is attacked by Yamagata.
And Yamagata SURVIVES with 4 troops.
It's ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511894
I don't get you, I've never failed in this fight. Leaving aside assassinate2; It's so hard for you to beat 3 generals with 50 troops each?

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3511920
Losing is only possible is rance is below 300 troops.
Just, since the poster I quoted said 'They die attacking you', I mentioned t Yamagata who is broken enough to survive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511752
She starts with 50% guard, and with 3 moves that's a total of max 200% at the end of her turns.
That's far too weak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511936
Very easily enhanced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511932
I did the fight with 260 troops. Which is why I just hit standby until they all ran out of actions and then had sill heal me up enough to finish them off.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3511977
The problem is Baba doing a commander charge (it's damage depends on character levels IIRC, which is an issue) and Yamagata AND Koshikage attacking you.
250-300(depending on your stats) is the number you need to survive the worst situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511936
Not an issue, most of the time footmen are too slow to use the 4th move before the end of the battle. Replace auto heal with encahnced initial guard, give her tatics scroll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511989
I made it through easily enough though. I got first attack, so I picked off Baba, and then hit standby until they ran out of actions, otherwise I wouldn't have been hitting hard enough to kill them with my remaining actions.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3512049
Getting in first is rare.
But yeah, it's not like it's HARD. Just requires caution.
Thehe worst can happen, if you have never used and improved Rance or he gets maimed in the previous battle and the worst sequence of events occurs.

Once, I forgot to heal in that turn and even though I did not use him in battle, I faced them with 150 soldiers.
That was not cool.

[Anonymous No.]

Life gets so much easier with the use of the Battle Permits. But is it really worth it to get a commander to 1000+ troops to use them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512111
Yes.
Makes useless units useful too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512019
>Not an issue
No, it's a very big issue. Senhime is weak as a dedicated front row guard, let's compare:
1 action point:
Katsuie: 170%
Kiyoko: 170%
good generic guard: 170%
bad generic guard: 150%
Maeda: 130%
Senhime: 100%

2 action point:
Katsuie: 290%
Kiyoko: 290%
good generic guard: 290%
bad generic guard: 250%
Maeda: 210%
Senhime: 150%

3 action point:
Katsuie: 410%
Kiyoko: 410%
good generic guard: 410%
bad generic guard: 350%
Maeda: 290%
Senhime: 200%

There's already a huge difference after 1 action point, she's a good dungeon character, and she's a good additional back row guard, she also makes an excellent attacker/looter (in case you want to abuse the army scaling mechanics)...
But she's not a good front row guard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512149
She has ALL-GUARD by default.
Thus, you utilize her DIFFERENTLY.
And Maeda is not that good by default.

And if you need such amounts of ridiculous guard(aka, more than 120 per turn), you do something wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512163
>Thus, you utilize her DIFFERENTLY.
That's what I'm saying, she's awesome for attacking since her army scales independently from the enemy army.
But her front row guarding is not very good.

>And if you need such amounts of ridiculous guard(aka, more than 120 per turn), you do something wrong.
Erhm...Try picking a fight with Agireida, you'll want all the percentages you can get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512190
If you have not wittled down Agireda enough after her first turn, you are doing something wrong.

Also, sometimes you need to protect frontlines, while others you need to take care of the back row, but putting the footmen in the back is a waste.
Guarding frail ranged attackers can be very important in certain battles, moreso than hving huge guard up front.
Finally, by giving her enhanced guard+the Tactics(+2 Int), she almost never gets depleted in my fights.

[Anonymous No.]

the superior choice, albeit some SAT loss

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512222
>If you have not wittled down Agireda enough after her first turn, you are doing something wrong.
So Senhime is only good if you whittled down the enemy army first? Sorry but your argument is a bit flawed.

>Guarding frail ranged attackers can be very important in certain battles
These are rare exceptions. If I bump into these, I'd use some dedicated front row guard + senhime in the front.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512233
In regards to this picture... Its no longer illegal or what ever it used to be to have uncensored genitals in Japan correct?... So why do they still mosaic genitals or put the seemingly pointless black bars in these things?

And if its a thing of "tradition" or what ever, why don't they just include a censor option with it on automatically, and players can decide for themselves if non pixelated genitals is too lewd for them or not?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm mainly getting Senhime to do her character clear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512617

Oh, and to recruit the Shimazu brothers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3511740
Fuck you. Senhime is delicious tsundere waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512628

Tsundere? She couldn't give a shit about Rance and only 'loves' him because she nearly died.

[Anonymous No.]

The problem with Katsuie is that he's slow as shit. By the time he gets to use that first guard, Senhime's probably already gone twice. Combined with his shittastic 50% initial guard, he's going to protect against maybe one of the enemy's attacks in the first go-round, making him fairly useless until you can pick up Enhanced Initial Guard, but since you can give that to Senhime as well, it's really not much of an advantage. To get rid of his weakness, you need speed boosts (which tons of characters can use), while Senhime just needs the far more common and far less universally useful Int boosts to remove hers. Since she also has better other stats, a higher level cap, and starts with an at least semi-useful ability, the advantage is obviously hers for everything except point runs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512636
>missed the second Senhime relationship event

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512636
I don't think you understand what tsundere is.

[Anonymous No.]

What? She's tsundere? Suddenly do not want so much anymore...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512636
Just like how Shizuka loves Rance, amirite? You know, the first ever tsundere in Japanland ever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512657
Shizuka is even more brutal than Senhime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512243
That was more of a general Agireda comment than Senhime.
But She is still just by pure stats and availability a very good unit and much better then most footmen.
If you give her enhanced initial Guard when she the numbers make Auto-Heal obsolete, you are pretty much settled.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone ever manage to defeat Xavier and his monkey in the Ran route? Kind of curious what scene will pop up if you do so but can't manage to kill both of them. Probably requires a team similar to the following:

Baba | Rance
Sanada | Kenshin
Kousaka | Mori

with everyone not a Takeda general getting the attack and speed boost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512628
Not tsundere.
>>3512657
Different case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512639
Everybody knows that she only teases Rance to make him rough her up in bed even more than usual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512681
>Not tsundere.
Yeah, if anything, she is a kuudere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512681
Tsundere. 80 tsun 20 dere

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512680
It'd be better to get Masamune instead of Mouri and Uruza instead of Tourin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512686
Kuudere? Seriously? It's like you guys never even played the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512687
Except there is no tsun at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512687
What she does is NOT Tsun (disregarding initial anger of being raped).
She just did not care about a physical relationship at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512698
What no tsun? She beats up on Rance a lot and makes him work hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512703
Sad and mistaken overgeneralization of what the trait is about is sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512702
It's not just at the initial rape event. It's evident in all her fucking events. And even in the Ran route, when clearing the Shimazu brothers, she shows that she actually wouldn't pick anyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

Ieyasu is a relatively good Bushi (great in dungeon fights, 5 actions, Full Power Warrior Attack 2).
Problem is... who seriously needs yet another Bushi? The game is *littered* with them.

Senhime is an average Ashigaru. However, Ashigaru are possibly the best units and there's only like *eight* unique ones in the entire game, some of which are not so easy or even possible to acquire in half the routes (Yoshihisa). Which automatically puts her in the *top four*. I'd say only Maeda and Nogiku are actually better. She doesn't require that much work either. One Int book (easy as piss) and Enhanced Initial Guard (also relatively easy), and maybe either the Tactics Scroll or Protection Paper for more Guard%.

I go for Senhime, very easy choice. All Guard is underrated all the time too, sure it takes a lot of effort just to keep a good Guard%, but you protect 5 characters instead of just 2, and you can put her in the back row if you want to, so more versatility as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512705
Shizuka is like that. Mistaken overgeneralization? Shizuka is the FIRST tsundere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512690

If I had picked the One-Eye house and only chosen reinforcements from Zeth I'd have them by the time the game forces you to do the temple incident. However, I went with Kanami to get a ninja permit user and chose not to take One-Eye so as to get his points later. Also, didn't want as many female commanders from the get-go as I'm trying to recruit the Shimazu brothers and focusing more on keeping those female commanders I don't want to get stolen from being so.

I guess that your selection is better, as if you give Uruza the +100 damage sword, she should be able to one-shot the monkey and get another attack off on Xavier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512705
Sorry, dude. Your tsundere is not tsundere at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512714
>Shizuka is the FIRST tsundere.
We are talking about Senhime here.

[Anonymous No.]

>And even in the Ran route, when clearing the Shimazu brothers, she shows that she actually wouldn't pick anyone else.

I HNNNGHHd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512714
Concerning SENHIME.
And Shizuka is quite old, but nowhere near the first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512722
Yeah, but using an accepted tsundere archtype like how Shizuka acts proves that Sen IS a tsundere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512719
My point actually.
Only 3-4 girls in Sengoku have the trait, Senhime is not one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512724
refer here >>3512730

[Anonymous No.]

If you guys are really desperate to know, cheat rance and everyone else to max level and kill xavier in the ran route at the temple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512732
Your point is not taken. Sen is 80-20.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512730
No, it doesn't.
By any definition.
It's a huge, fucking stretch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512735

Where's the fun in that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512739
It does. You just don't want to accept it. Shizuka burns Rance every time she gets the chance, she wants to kill him to, and she's considered tsundere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512736
Your made-up ratios are not especially convincing.

[Anonymous No.]

Senhime is an emotionless cold bitch that only knows and cares about fighting . She doesn't force Rance to train and all the other shit out of tsun, but because this is the only thing she really cares about. She is as kuu as it gets, with may be some yan part if you take the whole "adrenalin junkie" thing in account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512745
99tsun-1dere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512751
force into training, lap pillow, battle condition, necrophilia joke, cleared combat comments, Ran route shimazu clear. She's tsundere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512745
Sen does not even CARE.
She is a battle maniac.
Disregarding initial anger over rape that she gets over quickly, she didn't even really care, except for battles or sparring. She didn't hate him, was dishonest with feelings or any other thing that indicates the trait.
That is not tsun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512749
It's not made-up by me. Some fuckers rating all the different Kugimiya Rie tsundere characters made that.

Louise is an example of more tsun than dere, Shana more dere than tsun, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512757
...You know what, fuck it.
Every girl that did not love you from the very start and was not super kind and submissive is tsundere.
New definition, to cover your shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512758
Ran route Shimazu clear proves you wrong, as well as when you actually clear Senhime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512761
I mean you made up the ratio concerning Senhime, not the system itself.
Plus, the system is also wrong, since the percentage of tsun over dere does not indicate how SEVERE it is.

[Anonymous No.]

We all know how Senhime is and how she acts.

Why feel the need to put a label on everything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512763
Sen is tsun at the beginning. Even when you clear her, she's still tsun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512771
Louise is pretty severely tsun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512757
>force into training, battle condition, necrophilia joke, cleared combat comments
All kuu, all prove that she only cares about combat. Would be yan if she was more violent and agressive about it, like Teru.
>lap pillow, Ran route shimazu clear
Dere is not an argument. Kuuderes DO HAVE dere. Jesus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512775
That's not tsun. Fuck your overstretching labels.
>>3512777
Sure, great observation.
But that is relevant HOW?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512639

Oh? I cleared her in my first playthrough. I haven't played Sengoku Rance in a few weeks now but I don't seem to recall any sort of tsundere attitude from her. She just seemed too devoted to the 'thrill' from fighting and even after you lose 3 fights with her she claims that she now loves Rance but it just seemed like she couldn't really care. Maybe I should loop Rie Kugimiya calling me a baka while clearing her then maybe it'd be a different story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512781
If all she cared for was fighting then why play hard to get with Rance? It's not like it's going to stop her from fighting. She does care about it, as well as losing her first time to Rance even, as she complained about it in her HCG scene FFS. She's not all battle-crazy that she even makes Rance call her in her real name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512785
Depends on which role you use.
If you have Ein from Riviera saying Baka, or Alphonse, it's not the same.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ - Japan/Tsundere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512787
She is not playing hard to get.
She was just NOT interested till he saved her life at the character clear event.
It's not that hard to distinguish it, is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512788

Shana/Louise/Nagi for the full effect, most likely. Hearing BAKA BAKA BAKAAAAA while fapping to her H-scene.. sounds like it has potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512793
Your point only arises if she only and ONLY cares about fighting, but she does care about other things too. Damn, talk about shallow interpretations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512800
The point is, she was not in love with Rance.
Otherwise, any girl that was not in love with someone, and then falls for him, is a tsundere for him.
Which is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512787
>why play hard to get with Rance
She isn't playing hard to get. She just isn't really interested in that. Waste of time, when she can spend that time training.
>she complained about it
Well yeah, she is human. Getting raped kinda forces you to react somehow.
>she even makes Rance call her in her real name.
Once again, you are forgetting that Kuuderes DO GODDAMN HAVE DERE.
They aren't absolutely unemotional, they just generally don't give a crap about MC until he makes them like him a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512800
but she doesn't care about anything else, even her affection for Rance was a misunderstanding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512803
What? That's not tsundere. Senhime's kind of tsundere is mildly abusive and repellant of the the guy who courts her but falls for him in the end. Not what the hell you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512800
>she only and ONLY cares about fighting but she does care about other things too.
She MAINLY cares about fighting.. There is a lot of Kuu and there is some Dere. There is no Tsun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512804
>training
At night? Only when Rance came to her? Yeah right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512816
Because she doesn't CARE.
She does not answer his courting.
Every girl that does it but eventually fall for it in the end is tsundere, with your definition.
Which is retarded, since any woman who does not love you from the start is viable to be included.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512812
It's still affection, which is the problem. It's the closest thing she'd probably get in terms of love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512823
'Only' is your silly understanding.

[Anonymous No.]

Who care about the characters of Sengoku Rance?
This game has some of the blandest characters and shittiest dialogues I've seen in a VN
More talk about the gameplay please, the one redeeming thing in this game and the only thing people who play it should care about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512825
Not all women are mildly abusive and repellant of the guys who court them. You know, like tsundere characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512826
Sure.
The point is, still not a tsundere.
People use this term for nearly everything that's not crazy or Yamato Nadeshico submissive girl.
It's ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512836
The gameplay is rather bland compared to a real, non porn games. And we already answered all the questions about the game at least 50 times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512838
The problem is the REASON they do it.
You oversimplify everything as tsun indicator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512826
>It's still affection, which is the problem.
I don't see the problem. Tsundere, Yandere, Kuudere are all capable of affection. Hardly matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512836
Many, apparently.
And I have seen much worse in non-erotic RPgs/SRPGs

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512836
Blandest, yes. Most fun? Yeah. I mean a heroic rapist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512711
>Which automatically puts her in the *top four*. I'd say only Maeda and Nogiku are actually better.
Senhime is good as an attacking guard, however she's nowhere near top4. The best generic guards are easily more useful then her at guarding the front row.
Nogiku
Teru
Katsuie
Turban
Kiyoko
These 5 are all good guards, and they can be had even before Senhime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512865
Shimazu and Nogiku are the best.
Shibatsu due to being a starter and decent is a great choice.
Teru has not great stats, but COunter2 and Enhanced guard makes her valuable with slight effort.
THEN, Senhime and Kouhime.

Generics are just not as good.
You should also care about level, other bonuses and availability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512842
Yes im sure games like medieval total war have superior gameplay, especially since you can just play as english and spam longbowmen with stakes to win with no real effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512865
The only way you'd ever get four of those is on a 2nd Game. Not to mention that Katsuie's arguably worse (see earlier in the thread) than Sen. And Kiyoko? Seriously?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512873
>Shimazu
Out of question by default. Pretty much useless by the time you can possibly and rarely get him. You will have a way better units.

[Anonymous No.]

Which dungeon has the 3 hannou scrolls as a bonus loot? I know it's in the Mouri territory but can't remember which one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512865
Teru : Needs int, also does not have allguard

Turban : Not impressive stats, or skills. Hes pretty much a generic.

Kiyouko : Again not really impressive stats.

Senhime's advantage is she starts with good stats and only needs an int book.

Katsuie and Maeda's disadvantage is that they have shitty speed and speed books are too rare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512879
Get four of those before Sen I mean. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512876
Real /jp/ users plat Shogun: Total war.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512873
Kouhime and Gon are both better than Senhime in my opinion.

>Generics are just not as good.
Some of them comes with 6 defence, seriously. And if you can afford to give Senhime enhanced initial Guard, you can afford to bump their defence a good bit as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512879
>Katsuie's arguably worse than Sen
No, just no.
See>>3512149
>410%
vs
>200%

>And Kiyoko? Seriously?
I'm totally 410% serious. Her Asset Tech is incredibly valuable as well, will own Senhime's auto heal any day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512891
Gon is much frailer than his stats indicate (since low int means he gets raped by magic).
And Defense alone is not enough.
Senhime can be usable even if you do not use ANYTHING on her and just raise numbers.
Generics become barely effective meatshields.

>>3512879
Katsuie has various advantages and bonuses (like a stat-up from Sat.Bonus or Kouhime +1000 troops) that make him very competent.
Quite strong at dungeons too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512901
Better units have asset.

[Anonymous No.]

who cares about footsoldiers, bushi is where it's at

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512912
>bushi is where it's at
Gahahaha, no, just no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512901
400 vs 200 doesn't take into account her massive speed advantage nor All-Guard. Katsuie's lucky if he gets to go twice in battle, not to mention that he's almost guaranteed to go last, giving most quick enemies unblocked attacks while they're at their strongest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512885
>Teru : Needs int, also does not have allguard
No she doesn't. All guard is over rated.

>Turban : Not impressive stats,
7 defence is a good stat. One more bump and you suddenly have an 8 defence guard.

>Kiyouko : Again not really impressive stats.
Just needs a few cheap bumps in defence and she's an excellent guard.

>Katsuie
He's fast enough for any situation I've ever thrown him into.

[Anonymous No.]

Katsuie is useful becaue you get him at start.

Kouhime isnt even available in all routes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512926
All those little 'bumps' make Senhime better as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512911
And asset stacks, with two units you only need 25000 in the bank. Getting Asset Tech earlier is still so much more valuable than auto heal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512938
Unless you never have money problems.
Plus, I give her enhanced initial guard as her first Bonus always.

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody says you cant get senhime and kiyouko.

You cant even talk to kiyouko to raise affection. That hurts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512934
No. See. You have to compare your preferred character with every possible upgrade and multiple stat books added against the other character's base abilities. That's the manly way to argue.

[Anonymous No.]

You can get Senhime in the first 10 turns and she becomes the premier early game footwoman.

Everybody else can only be gotten later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512901
You're just taking starting stats into account, but characters can be upgraded (and Katsuie is much harder to upgrade than Senhime).
You're also only taking Guard% into account, when All Guard is 2.5 times more powerful than regular Guard.
After just a few easy upgrades (one Int book, one powerup), Senhime is much better than Katsuie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512952
If you take everyone's base abilities, Senhime is just more useful than all generics.
Simple.

[Anonymous No.]

You are guaranteed to have both katsuie and senhime anyway so why the fuck...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512968
Senhime is not guaranteed. Early in the thread people were discussing which Tokugawa character they should opt for (Ieyasu or Senhime, can't get both).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512946
Initial guard is rarely needed. I'd rather have Asset Tech, and then a healthy +120% guard for every action.

>>3512934
Well, yeah. Senhime has 6def/5int, but Kiyoko has 5def/6int. They're equally expensive to get up. (though I admit having 6 def is better than 6 int).

It comes down to Asset Tech skill being superior, and +120% being better than enhanced initial guard and +50% guards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512968
You can get Ieyasu or Sen, but not both. Katsuie's also pretty mediocere compared to later footmen, or footmen that you can get with 2nd Game bonuses, so usually gets dumped early.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512959
>and Katsuie is much harder to upgrade than Senhime
No he isn't.

>when All Guard is 2.5 times more powerful than regular Guard
No it isn't. Front row is by far the most important pace to guard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512985
>Katsuie's also pretty mediocere
No he isn't. Once you clear Katsuie or Ranmaru, he becomes an awesome guard. And Ranmaru is clearable in all routes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512981
Not really.
Enemies acting before you and raping you when you have the least guard possible is a big problem.
And most footmen are not fast (Senhime is quite fast though).

[Anonymous No.]

Who is the better candidate for an Action Textbook: Senhime or Uruza?

[Anonymous No.]

Katsuie gets 7 def 5 speed easily. Thats pretty good.

His affection choices also give you a free NP upgrade in owari and is needed for ranmaru's character clear. I usually deploy rance, katsuie and ranmaru together, and that racks up affection points with ranmaru easily...ending up with a 9 speed/9 attack bushi attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513008
Neither...urzu is too slow, senhime cant really use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513008
Senhime.
5 are more than enough for anny occasion.
>>3513011
Takes quite some time, increases NP cost a lot and Ranmaru is mediocre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513006
>Enemies acting before you and raping you when you have the least guard possible is a big problem.
True.
But Auto heal is still vastly inferior to Asset Tech.
And Kiyoko with enhanced initial guard still owns Senhime with initial guard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513014

So who would you recommend should take it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513022
Depends on which routes you are in, and how crucial/difficult dungeon fights are in those routes...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513018
No, she does not.
Footsoldiers have to be able to pile some damage too.
Also, useless in dungeons.
And most importantly, harder to raise affection (since it's a generic unit).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512995
Are you kidding? Speed books are nowhere near as common as Int books.
Front row is more commonly attacked than the back, but regular Guard tanks are *completely impotent* to protect the back row, where your fragile ranged characters are. While that retard Katsuie is there protecting *two* solid frontliners who have high Def anyway, you've got three squishies completely defenseless in the back.

Katsuie is better for some fights, but the vast majority of the time, Senhime is far superior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513036
It really depends on the army you use(since frontline may be Bushi or Musketeers, quite different resistances)
You need both a good front row Guard and an all-guard.
And Enhanced Initial Guard is more helpful than Ally Guard+.
Finally, Footsoldiers need overall decent stats, so anyone who already has high ones(including speed) are valuable.

[Anonymous No.]

>Uesugi Kenshin - The girl who defeated Saber of Fate/stay night and became the most popular eroge heroine.

Wait, what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513029
>Footsoldiers have to be able to pile some damage too.
If you up her defence to 6 instead (like you would up senhime's int), she'll take on damage way better than Senhime.
At one action point,
Kiyoko has 120%+120%
Senhime having a mere 120%+50%

>useless in dungeons.
True. But she's has a lot of actions, good for clearing the low level critters.

>harder to raise affection
Not important, I always have an abundance of affection items, and those are better to use than wasting valuable turns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513056
Eroge Heroine Rankings.
Rance dominating is the reasons there are no Male rankings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513056
That's true.
Show how bad the taste of the eroge players in Japan is.
Seriously Kenshin is one of the dullest character in the game, her first encounter with Rance is basically her only good scene.

I know this game really doesn't bring much in term of interesting characters and all but Kenshin is shit even compared to the rest of the cast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513073
Quite important.
If you do not earn them much in battles and do a point run which prohibits much dungeon exploring, they are rare.
Senhime gets affection points in Battle more often too.
And if you raise a point in Senhime too, she is still better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513056
Yeah, she beat her in some big popularity contest where Saber was taking the first place for quite some time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513074
>Rance dominating is the reasons there are no Male rankings.
LOLJapan

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513075
Saber is pretty shit too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513087
Problem, anon?

[None !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>3513099

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513085
>If you do not earn them much in battles and do a point run which prohibits much dungeon exploring, they are rare.
1st playthrough, turn 44, 0 dungeons cleared:
10 senriq's cup
2 scroll
1 drum
4 jaws screen
I got them all from battles, they are not rare.

As a guard, +120% bump is better than a +50% bump. I most situations, Kiyoko and Katsuie and even generics are more useful. (and costs much less NP as well)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513126
I got more textbooks and low affection items.
It's quite random.
And I do not think it's that more important, compared to good starting guard.
One should care mostly for their first attacks when they are at their strongest.
She still takes less damage than almost all generics.
Her NP cost is the only serious downside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513099
>>3513111
datgrin

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513126
You got lucky, i got way less than that, one star, monkey kill route, and im fighting a shit load of battles(farming for takeda bonus).

[Anonymous No.]

Just give Senhime enhanced initial guard, a couple INT textbooks, and you've gotten enough guard for the entire battle if you plan it right.

[None !KYON.wwv9s No.]

>>3513140
Rance's grin is contagious

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513155
More Importantly, she is FAST.
She can add guard and use 3 actions in the same time others barely do 2 actions, if lucky.

[None !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>3513140

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513140
That's the look of confidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513139
>And I do not think it's that more important, compared to good starting guard.
But you need to invest effort into giving Senhime more initial guard. The same effort would make other guards have more initial guard as well.

Senhime is pretty much depending on that Enhanced initial guard skill. But if you give that skill to a generic guard he'll become awesome too.
>She still takes less damage than almost all generics.
That hasn't been my impression. See my 3rd guard>>3513126
He has 6 6 6 stats and bumps his guard +120%, and that's pretty damn decent for a generic guard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513175
It's ONE affection bonus.
And she has better stats than most, plus other features no generics have.
You may get a generic that is slightly more durable, but he is not an in overall a more useful unit.

[Anonymous No.]

Out of the following three, who do you think deserves an Action Textbook more (for dungeons and normal battles):

Senhime (currently low level and probably won't level farm, equipped with Protection Charm)
Uruza (comes in at 50 with 5 attacks, can attack from back row, random boosts to everyone because she's a tactician, good candidate for +100 damage sword)
Baba (Fuurinzaken, 5 attacks, highest level of the 3 mentioned, good candidate for the +100 damage sword or Muramasa)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513187
She has to live with a pretty crappy guard percentage until you can give her that bonus.>>3512149
Until that point, 200% is so weak, and will be gone after 5 attacks. And after a mere 4 attacks, she only has 40%, she won't be able to guard anything with that...

>And she has better stats than most, plus other features no generics have.
This is true.

>but he is not an in overall a more useful unit.
But this is arguable. In dungeon fights, Senhime is more useful than my generic guard. But my generic guard has decent stats and is more useful to me in army battles, and I only have to give him End Game points...And that's clearly much less costly to give than giving Senime character clear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513221
Dungeons/commander battles are not that important, since you already have suberb characters.
For troop battles, Senhime would benefit most(plus, she has good dungeon stats even at low levels).
Similarly, upgraded Maeda is a good candidate.
Kenshin is another choice if you get Action vol.2 or one of the Emperor items, or Leila to use Royal charge 3 times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513226
There are much better candidates over a generic if it's not Senhime for the way you play the game, still.
Shibata alone is much better for this job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513221
You can't give Murasame to Baba, he's not a Bushi.
The +100 damage sword will do +100 damage no matter who uses it, so the idea character would have lots of actions and be *quick*. I usually give it to Gekkou, Baba would be fine too. Uruza may very well die before using all of her shots because Tacticians are ridiculously slow, so I wouldn't give it to her.
Baba might benefit from the extra action the most. Senhime is a decent choice too, but probably less than Baba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513239

I'm doing a Ran route so troop battles aren't too important for me. Will take about 4-5 turns to get Kenshin because of the stupid waiting for Kensei coup, which I hope to get the Shimazu brothers by them stealing a crappy generic female, followed by accepting Uruza and boosting Rance's stats and action points so I can get the damn +3 affection points option to pop up as a SAT bonus so I'm not just sitting here with 3 unused SAT bonuses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513247

Completely blanked on that. For some reason I thought Baba could equip it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513246
>Shibata alone is much better for this job.
Obviously, he's much better than my generic guard. But as you can see, I was already using him. That generic guard just fit me better for my 3rd team than Senhime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513269
It's just a weird setup that you have built 3 teams that rely on strong forward guard only.
Plus, Senhime is very useful as an attacker as well (much less loses due to autoheal are more important than you may think), even if you do not have her guarding, so she is still a more valuable unit in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513276
>Plus, Senhime is very useful as an attacker as well (much less loses due to autoheal are more important than you may think), even if you do not have her guarding, so she is still a more valuable unit in the end.
This is true. I've been arguing that Senhime is an awesome attacker since the beginning of the thread>>3512149
Senhime is good for attacking and looting money, since guard units can be scaled without consequences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513290
>>I've been arguing that Senhime is an awesome attacker since the beginning of the thread

You sound like a very productive and highly educated man to spend that much effort and time on something by all accounts trivial. Where can I subscribe to your eroge strategy newsletter and why haven't you been editing the alicesoft wiki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513302
Cause the alicesoft wiki is correct on stuff like modifiers, stats etc and how to activate most events, and it's not about how to utilize units.

[Anonymous No.]

For a casual game I usual don't use family bonuses and I stack the front row with strong bushi, I rarely use footsoldiers.

Point runs are a different matter though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513309
>>it's not about how to utilize units.

You should really contribute to making an extra section on good team strategies then. Lay some definite rules down on good teams to silence the noobs from /a/ that are just now getting into the game.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3513311
Bushi suffer far too many losses and cost lots of money. Even at early difficulties, you will be outnumbered. Even if you win easily, you choose the costly, less efficient method.
Few are truly beasts in battle (Rance hopefully can become one by taking advantage of certain mechanics)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513316
That effectively ruins the point of the game.
Better to give suggestion on people who gets stumped.
Plus, there are so many variations, depending om priorities, a guide would be hard to write.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513318
I can't remember remember gold ever being a problem, if anything I usually end up with a surplus while waiting to grab the discount ticket. It's probably because of asset tech and the two -1 troop bonuses.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3513343
In later difficulties, with asset tech and Merchant and Gold Statues, fighting 4 battles per turn, I spent about as much as I earned.
I had to conquer most countries for money to stop being an issue.
Early on, the Bushis kill instantly with much less losses till the opponent scales badly, so money is not much of an issue.
Still, mainlining bushis is not a very good strategy no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513323
>>That effectively ruins the point of the game.

Right, instead of posting some good ideas for teams and strategies, we can argue about the best characters for 200+ post threads. That's what Rance is all about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513380
Strategies are very vague, since it depends on the situation and goals of your playthrough. Covering them all is a hassle.
A character's standard stats and abilities are not.
And it's nowhere near 200 posts, we started Senhime evaluation on the later part of the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513424
I shudder to think of all the random strategies that would constantly get edited and contested.
I too am of the opinion that wikis should only contain facts and objective information. Let the players decide or find out what is best or most fun.
Like my Ashigaru-only playthrough... I can't wait to try it! But I still have a couple goals to cross off my Progress Report.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh geez. Speaking of Senhime, I was just trying to clear her, and I needed her to lose three times, so...

I sent her alone against Yamatai, thinking she'd lose.

She won. By a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513859
I had her attacking the Hannies.
They cannot directly attack, thus BR win is nigh-impossible.
Then, I just did not heal her the next two turns.And she lost at the first hit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513859
Here, just because it's funny.
Granted, the opposition was weak, but she still killed over 2000 people and ended up losing only 77.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3513876

She's a bit disturbing.
Sure, all the Rance characters are pretty flat, but she's all FIGHTKILLFIGHTKILLFIGHTKILLFIGHTKILLFIGHTKILL. All the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513912
She's a total maniac about battle. Even after the incident that clears her and moderates her enthusiasm, she still trembles in excitement before a fight.
I guess it's good to have a passion, but this particular hobby might be a little more dangerous than most...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513859
I find it best to use her when attacking Akashi. There are 3 default losses you suffer to the Nue and you can send her in alone. Saves action fans and helps clear her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514034
That's a good idea, I didn't think of it at the time because I hadn't had the event where she asks to lose three times, but I'll be sure to remember for future playthroughs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3512735 If you guys are really desperate to know, cheat rance and everyone else to max level and kill xavier in the ran route at the temple.

Sengoku Rance has cheat codes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513876

Don't raise her troop count until after you've cleared her.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3513933

Very true, I'd prefer to stay clear of someone who admits to getting her juices flowing at the thought of hacking up strangers for lulz. But at least, she's quite honest and straightforward about it - and really quite a simple person content with little things.

... others are more sinister.
So, upon learning old Katsuie is only interested in little girls, Ranmaru goes out and comes back the next day with a little girl. "Oh, her parents died in the war, it was all so very tragic, I had to take pity on her."
Yup, they sure died in the war, alright...

[Anonymous No.]

I'm playing through the FFA mode right now and I see Russo-Japanese war and the other challenge. Anyone know how many waves they each are?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514083
It wasn't so bad, I just did it again and hit "Standby" nonstop. Thanks to the Shikigami Guards, the attackers didn't take enough damage to die.
I could also have equipped her with a permit so she'd lose troops and then sent her into battle. Or like was suggested earlier, fight Akashi (autolosses) or Hannies (they don't suffer Counterattack damage).
There's a lot of options, but to be honest I never thought *losing* might prove difficult!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514096
7 or 8 for me. You can write down what each wave has, most of them aren't random (but some are).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513912
>>3514092
them thighs... those childbearing hips. Healthy waifus are healthy

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514092
Well, it's wartime. She *could* actually have found a cute little orphan girl somewhere. Not discounting the possibility though, after all Komatsu was supposed to murder Ran in the initial game.
I'm not sure if the idea that she might have killed the girl's parents is better or worse than the idea that she offered a loli to a pedobear just so she could marry him.
Katsuie wasn't always a lolicon, either. I wonder what Shinobu did to "turn" him...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514189
>I wonder what Shinobu did to "turn" him...
Just look at Shinobu's tits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514194
*gasp*

Invisible tits.

[Anonymous No.]

She's really scary in Kichikuou, though.

It's hard to imagine Rance being drugged, raped and murdered by a twelve year old girl...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3513912
Teru is better.

maido outfit and loli body...

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3514388

Perhaps, but still like Middle Maid Kiku better.
Seriously, combat frying pan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514402
I LOVE ALL OF THEM! If I was Rance I'd want to be Motonari's son in law, strive for a glorious JAPAN under Mori, and love all of his maid daughters tenderly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514429
But that would mean you couldn't go around trip anymore fucking the princesses of the other kingdoms. You have to go and rape Hornet to complete the set.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3514429

Still, there's something odd...

Maybe I've missed it, still have a lot of the Mori stuff incomplete, but... how come his daughters all have different surnames?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514439
If Hornet isn't a delicious maid then I don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514448
>how come his daughters all have different surnames?
Kiku and Chinu was previously married to a bunch of faggots who didn't deserve them.
I'd take real responsibility of the maids if it was me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514450
inb4 Rance makes Hornet wear a maid uniform

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3514463

Ah. Kept as friendly warnings to potential future catches? Mori clan courtesy in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514463
Kiku's husband was a real piece of shit. And not the bad kind of shit, but the pathetic one.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3514514

Generic orange mohawk?
They're expendable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514522
No, that was one of Chinu's fuckbuddies.

[Anonymous No.]

I really wish Shimazu would stop dicking around and just capture one of my commanders. Then I could get around to firing all of my shitty generics, kidnap Kurohime for the Shimazu brothers, recruit Kenshin and Aoi, then finally accept my damn reinforcements from 10 turns ago that I haven't accepted yet because you can't get Uruza to love and the game fucks with me and always causes her to get stolen. If it's Ranmaru or Kanami I don't care as they suck in dungeons but I need Uruza.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514482
Don't take my Delicious Mori Maids lightly! It requires dedication, love and skill to swear by the maid uniform and wear them at home, out side and even in battle!

You can't hope to compare it simply by making Hornet cosplaying for the sexing. I'd still take responsibility for my maids and love tenderly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514563
*cowering in fear

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514531
If it comes down to it you can just reload. They don't always steal the same girl (unless it's the only one they can steal).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514674

It was more that I had to wait a few turns as I hadn't bothered to talk to Ran to speed the story along as I was busy building up everyone's affection. 5 turns later, they stole a generic female so now all that's left to do is wait for the next turn for the Shimazu brothers to surrender, conquer Shimazu, then head for One-Eye. Hopefully I'll get some more SenriQ Cups or Hannou Scrolls. Could have sworn there was a dungeon that gave Hannou Scrolls as a bonus loot but I can't seem to find it. Pretty sure it isn't Road to Hades but I could be mistaken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514674
The very first time I had to deal with them, Okita joined me at a beginning of turn event, and was then immediately defected before I could fire her. Then she showed up to fight me with 50 units. It was kind of pathetic in a sad way.

Then the next time, the fuckers wouldn't stop trying to kidnap Natori.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514688
It's the one in Mamushi where you saved Soun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514691
Mamushi gives SenriQ cups.
I don't remember which gives 3 scrolls. It's probably listed in the wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514761
I think it's the dungeon in the Akashi territory, needs kanami to unlock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514878
Tora no Ana, right? I was thinking it was that one, but I just wasn't sure.
I do remember that the boss there is a Pigbanbara wearing a tiger skin, and he's got like 4444 HP.

[Anonymous No.]

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514987
HALP MEH

Wiki isn't any help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514987
Nice. Those last two are pretty easy ones. My report is still a long way from being in that good of shape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3515067
Conquer Iga without killing Inukai (ie, don't bring Suzume) and he'll eventually re-seize control from you, and after you fully take over the first Takuga land, you'll get an option to close the gate and trap them there forever (but it prevents you from invading them anymore too).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3515121
Thanks, but I wish they were so easy.
I saw the Shikoku gate event when I was working on other stuff, and haven't been able to get it since then.
I conquered Iga without using Suzume my last four playthroughs and it never reemerged.
It's like the game knows I'm getting close and is totally sabotaging my efforts!
I need more tinfoil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3515134
Tried those repeatedly, no good.
There's other conditions, I just don't know what they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3514987
man I would actually bother getting 100% if you got something out of it, like a kouhime h scene or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3515249
Hah.
AliceSoft isn't against the occasional loli scene, but I think they meant the relationship between Rance and Kou to be the cute kind. Most likely there won't be an H scene until she's aged a bit.
Although, you do have a point. It would be nice to get a little something for completing the report. Character clearing, event triggering, semi-unique hunting and carrying... it could use a little something beyond personal satisfaction.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know a way to force Akihime's second sex slave scene to appear? I just want to clear Hara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3515712

Also getting tired of seeing the same dame scene 4 times in a row.