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3462830 No.3462830 [Reply] [Original]

Old tread hit the bump limit, and we are here to worship our goddess that Rance does not bang in the canon story line T_T

>> No.3462849

>>3462830
>T_T
Don't do that.

>> No.3462861

Sweet, I was wondering where it went.
Yeah, I was disappointed about that too. Even inside the game, it's confirmed that you can have sex with her, but there's no CG nor is there any indication in the Ero Diary.
AliceSoft is awesome, but just this once... I AM DISAPPOINT

>> No.3462876
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3462876

She is hot...
Hot like Ran.

>> No.3462880

>>3462876
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THAR

>> No.3462881

Overrated game. Give it a rest.

>> No.3462885

>>3462881
Overrated=!not good.
Plus, active gameplay discussion most of the time.

>> No.3462895
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>>3462880
I love Ran!

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Obligatory post

>> No.3462905

>>3462881
It's nowhere near overrated.
It's probably in the top ten best games to be released in the last five years.

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3462980

>>3462895
Ran thread?

>> No.3462988

So I'm trying to figure out which House bonuses to start with (simple Normal difficulty Monkey Kill run for completion purposes).
14/24 NP used.
Takeda bonus. *click*
30/24 NP used.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>> No.3462991

>>3462905
This be a sad thing if this is actually the case.

>> No.3462993

>>3462988
Remember the NP+ bonus you can purchase?
Also, you can fire Ranmaru, Niwa, Mitsuhide etc when you start.

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>>3462980
Why not?
Ran is a wonderful lady!

>> No.3463023

>>3462988
The grumpy old men bonus is the best

>> No.3463025

>>3462988
don't worry, the balance is wrong because the purchased captains starts with less troops. also, it's only a few turns earning less money, you will survive it

>> No.3463031

>>3462904
Dokunganryuu masamune is a ladies man, I respect him

>> No.3463032

>>3462993
There is, but 24 is with the three NP bonuses already bought.
I'll definitely fire Niwa after I've captured Isoroku and Ikkyu, but he's only worth 1 NP... Ranmaru is cheap too, and Mitsuhide is my noncombat/permit bitch.
All other characters are far too good to dismiss.
I guess I'll just drop the Uesugi bonus. Takeda alone brings me up to 24/24 NP used, but that's acceptable.

>> No.3463035

>>3463031
He got ball. A huge, single one if you know what I mean

>> No.3463041

>>3463032
Uesugi is easy to capture, and you should not have far too many units at war, even with a point Run.

>> No.3463054

>>3463025
Oh, really... that's a great bit of info, I had never noticed.

Dokuganryuu Masamune... interesting character. In the HCG with his wives, you'll noticed they sorta included an eyeeyebrow to make him look more badass. And in his "death" scene, he "closes his eye", which must be hard with no eyelid.
He's an... improbable creature, to say the least.

>> No.3463090

>>3462830

As a yurifag, I'm glad I don't have to see "Rance/I fucked Ran" all over /jp/.

You got plenty of other girls to fuck anyway.

>> No.3463115

>>3463025
You were totally right. Went from 28/24 to 22/24 after I went from the replay bonus menu to the actual game.

>> No.3463117

Am I the only one that feesl bad about going for character clears with Dokuganryuu's wives?

>> No.3463122

>>3463117
Same here.
Especially Omachi.
One of the 5 'Not so nice' Sengoku Rance moments.

>> No.3463136

>>3463122

Bontenmaru ;_;

>> No.3463143

>>3463117
How so?
If you're feeling bad because of Masamune, don't. He's a virtual eyeball and has no feelings.
If you're feeling bad because you find them hot, don't. You like what you like.
Personally I find Orime creepy as all hell, and Noir just a little bit creepy (extra eyes, spider legs and fur), otherwise they're mostly OK. Nogiku just looks like a schoolgirl with one eye, and Omachi is hot.
Everyone's furry for Omachi.

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>>3463090

You're kidding right? Fucking the main character isn't that big of a deal. Look at what it did for Rin.

She's a lesbian in Stay Night, straight in UBW, virgin in Heaven's feel and nobody here calls her a SLUT for having sex with the protagonist once do they?

...of course they do! SLUT SLUT SLUT SLUT JACKHAMMER SLUT SLUT SLUT

>> No.3463227

>>3463208

Butthurt Rinfag detected.

>> No.3463287

>>3463025
It barely matters that they start with fewer troops. They're still three or four times the size of all other armies at the start and the enemy armies just slowly grow in strength by turn number. Besides, if you give them the -100/-50 damage armors, either of the two Takeda cavalry guys (forgot their names) can solo win almost any battle for about the first 30 turns without even taking damage.

>> No.3463301

>>3463287
Everything you said is true, but that person's point was that the NP cost stated in the replay bonus screen was wrong because it didn't correctly reflect the amount of troops that those commanders start with.

>> No.3463331

>>3463143 If you're feeling bad because of Masamune, don't. He's a virtual eyeball and has no feelings.

So why bother ally with the humans in the first place? Masamune is one of the greatest humanitarians in Sengoku Rance, even if he is a giant eyeball who rides a fish car.

>> No.3463376

Why are all Alicesoft characters so shitty?

>> No.3463380

>>3463331
I meant in reality, not in-game. It's possible to immerse yourself as much as possible for the bits you like and distance yourself from the bits you don't.
In my case though, I have huge problems with immersion. While a friend of mine has been shitting his pants playing Zero Shot, when I tried it it was nothing but glee whenever I saw a ghost to hunt down.
Being so down-to-earth, it takes something pretty intense for a game to inspire any significant bad feeling...

>> No.3463393

>>3463376
Actually there's very few characters as original as Rance, and many of the characters in the series are quite memorable, with interesting designs.
Better than the average generic fantasy hero bullshit anyway.

>> No.3463410

>>3463393
>>Actually there's very few characters as original as Rance
>>and many of the characters in the series are quite memorable, with interesting designs.

Either my sarcasm detector is broken or the standards of /jp/ have reached great-depression levels of low.

>> No.3463511

>>3463287
they always start with 400 troops, what is always more than enough to crush most of the first countries. also, with popularity staff you can add more troops fast to your expensive troops (Omachi + popularity staff = broken unit)

>> No.3463514

>>3463410
Or you are just a faggot.

>> No.3463573

>>3463410
/jp/ was never good

>> No.3463728

I don't know where all the Rance hate comes from.
It has a rather ordinary storyline, but aside from that... it's a fantastic strategy RPG, with just the right amount of freedom and multiple paths as well as very good replayability.
The main character is highly original, and character design is varied enough that everyone will find at least a few that they like.
Looking at the last five years... how many games were released that are better than Sengoku Rance?
You could count 'em on your fingers.

>> No.3463796

I don't know where all the Rance love comes from.
It has a rather ordinary storyline, but aside from that... it's a terrible strategy RPG, with little strategy and options as well as no replayability in the horribly constrained gameplay.
The main character is generic, and character design is stereotypical enough that everyone will find at least a few cliches that they like.
Looking at the last five years... how many games were released that are better than Sengoku Rance?
The list is uncountable.

>> No.3463883

>>3463796
Switching facts with lies does not modify reality.
Just a thought.

>> No.3463889

>>3463883

Substituting opinions with opinions still means both are bullshit opinions. Get your facts straight around here, son.

>> No.3463892

>>3463889
Noooot necessarily.

>> No.3463896

>>3463796
Sorry, but you're wrong there. try another way and maybe you will have better results

>> No.3463916

>>3463889
Perhaps a few of these things are a matter of opinion.
Saying Rance is a generic main character, though? By no one's standards can it be true.

>> No.3464028

>>3463916

All Rance does and wants to do is have sex with as many women as possible. He's also consistently a winy retard who dun think no guud and throws a hissy fit more than Anakin Skywalker when he doesn't get what he wants. The only difference is that Rance has enough plothax to force everyone else to submit. There's never any character development for Rance, he's the same in every single game. Any character from a standard sex-romp eroge has more development than Rance does. He's just a lame projection of lonely nerds that want to feel manly.

>> No.3464074

>>3464028
I see you've once again failed to name a single one of all those other characters that fit your description and thus allow you to call Rance "generic".
I will be happy to read the list tomorrow evening, if the thread hasn't died by then.
In the meantime, people who actually have a reason to be in this thread... happy playin'. May your monkeys die swiftly!

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>>3462830

Yes, you have made a good choice, my brother. Come, put aside your petty struggles and unite. The nine-tailed guardian of the North is most kind to her subjects.

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Also, a question for the story buffs...

Is there anything hinting at past history between Omachi and (the younger) Takeda Shingen?

>> No.3464364

How come /jp/ likes her? I thought you fags hated titties.

>> No.3464370

>>3463728
>I don't know where all the Rance hate comes from.

Because it was translated.

>> No.3464386

>>3464364
On girls that should not have them.
This is an immortal Youkai.

>> No.3464405

>>3464386
Oh, I see.

>> No.3464800 [SPOILER] 
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3464800

Pushing the troll threads down with the royal court of Bontenmaru.
Doing royal stuff.

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>>3463143

Come to think of it, Nogiku has one enlarged eye in between where the regular eyes should be, right?

So realistically speaking, is there room for her nose?

>> No.3464904

>>3464882
Sure, Cyclops always had a nose in general.

>> No.3464941

>>3464904

Yes, but cyclopses traditionally have the eye out of alignment, above the human eyebrows.
With a full fleshed out nose rather than the stylised manga nose, not sure how Nogiku would look.

>> No.3465021

you know what? I'm not big on grinding. Anyone mind giving me the address for points on 2nd game?

>> No.3465035

>>3465021
You don't need 'grinding' for a decent amount of points.
The opposite, really.

>> No.3465061

>>3465035
right, but it turns out rushing things made me enter war with 3 countries (it'd be 2 if it wasn't for yukihime, that slut) and I simply don't have the NP/troops to handle conquering 3 at a time...without losing any territories, at least.

>> No.3465073

I am interested on this game, but i only found the patch. Where can i find the full game? Google doesn't help...

>> No.3465091

>>3465073

Should still be a torrent on Hongfire if all else fails.

>> No.3465880

That fucking sucked. 2 light attacks and still no capture of Baba. At least I severely wounded Iga for the time being.

>> No.3465897

>>3465880
that doesn't sound right, this is after the "shigen assasination"?

>> No.3465913

>>3463023
LIES! Maid bonus is the best.

>> No.3465963

>>3465897

Yes.

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>>3465963
Have you already beating the Takeda via brute force before?
Are you sure your prison is not full?

>> No.3466092

>>3463090
You just wait, she'll become a reinforcement unit in the next rance game, against all odds. And I'll be there tapping her every day

>> No.3466117

>>3466068

I've already assassinated Shingen. I made sure I haven't maxed prison yet (26/30). Hit him with light attack from 2 different warriors while Omachi used Large Lightening to severely damage/kill everyone, Maria weaken Bab with rapid-shot, and Magic picking off everyone else still alive. Fucker wasn't captured, and now Iga isn't showing his sorry ass in combat, so I get to do the damn battle over again. Yay.

>> No.3466149

After seeing the scene that introduced the happy One Eyed family, I had an urge to conquer that land and make Omachi mine and do all sorts of sadistic things to her...

Goddamn, I'm such a bastard.

>> No.3466169

>>3466117
two hits from light attack is a guaranteed capture, at least as long as you annihilate the enemy commander and he is capturable.

Also one of the requierments for the Takeda house bonus is to have beaten the Takeda house normaly at least once before.

>> No.3466184

>>3466169
You don't get the option to assassinate Shingen unless you've done that, anyway.

>> No.3466205

>>3466169

Well then the whole 2 hits thing must be bullshit, just like how the latest patch is supposed to protect female commanders from the Shimazu fuckers as long as they're at trust rather than love.

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oh nvm then.

>> No.3468170

>>3466205
That's odd, never seen a commander at Trust being taken by Shimazu.
I don't know about the two Light Attacks thing, though. The more people in your prison, the less chances you have of making a capture, so being at 24/30 might be enough to sabotage captures.
I've also heard that it's more likely to capture someone if they're the only unit to have been annihilated. Apparently, the more units you wipe out, the more chances that someone else is gonna get captured instead. So you might try to annihilate only Baba Shouen's unit.

>> No.3468224

Someone remind me again, what are the conditions for getting Isoroku's two reinforcements?
I tried talking to her all through Normal affection but she only keeps bitching about Ashikaga, so I'm assuming I have to beat them first. But how much time do I have after that before the option disappears?

>> No.3468237

>>3468224
Conquer Ashikaga.
First affection point should be finding out her bro is dead.
Second one should get you the archers.
No 'time limit'.
Beware, if you use items and jumpstart her to 'Trust', you fuck her right away and lose the archers.

>> No.3468252

>>3468237
Huh. If it's as simple as that, I can't explain why it failed in my previous playthough!
Thanks, I'll do that. After these two, no more semi-uniques to carry through the entire game!

>> No.3468258

>>3468252
Because you suck ass and rush through things.
Like trying to raise affection before conquering Ashikaga.
If you see the text when you talk to her, it should be obvious at points what you have to do (even without a wiki)

>> No.3468282

>>3468258
Actually I learned those two commanders were provided by Isoroku while I was already playing. I raised her Affection once by talking to her (after Ashikaga was gone, got the "bro is dead" event), and then no matter how often I talked to her, didn't get any event 'til 7/7 Normal. Yes, I had lots and lots of free NP and no, I had nowhere near 30 commanders.
There's probably another factor you're not aware of, but it's probably obscure enough that I won't encounter it this time.

>> No.3468457

Oh, Ikkyu. Why won't you show up. I need to capture you. Stop talking to that puppet thingy, it's not really a mystic phone line to your mother.

>> No.3468682

yea i have never seen the yamamoto archer thing...

How do we check which patch version we are on? I only mounted the hongfire ISO and installed the game via the english patch installer.

>> No.3468728

>>3468682
Good question, I've never seen any option to see which version we're at... luckily it won't matter soon, the final patch is being beta tested right now and should be released very soon.
I got the Isoroku archers by talking to her twice (from 0/7 Affection) immediately after conquering Ashikaga and having enough NP for them. I also didn't enter any route before that (I waited on turn 12 before killing the monkey), maybe that's what was preventing the event.
They're pretty bad units, but whatever, it's just for completion purposes. I guess I'll give them the anti-Ashigaru shot.

>> No.3468756

Help->game verison info works.

Question : how do you get the staff of charisma? It says the requriement is to never fight any battles for the first 25 turns...how is that possible? Ashikage will declare on you, followed by hara, within the first few turns...

>> No.3468780

Oh, I should mention this... I found a new good choice for Rance's Love. I don't know why I never thought of that before!
Baba Shouen.
See, if you grab the Takeda bonus he's going to be available right away. And since Takeda is right next to Ashikaga and you're at war with them already, you can powerup/clear Shouen before turn 10.
Once cleared he'll automatically gain 1 Affection from being deployed with Rance. So every two turns, he gains 6 Affection (plus two shots at gaining 1 from combat).
It's crazy but you can give him one powerup every two turns, from very early into a playthrough. You can give him a couple Attack2 books (which are common from dungeons if you bought all items with bonus points).
Result: a Cavalry unit with 9/7/6/7, all buffs and an indecently high number of troops (+100 every two turns).
Yes, it's as amusing as it sounds.

>> No.3468789

>>3468756
I have no idea, I got the Popularity Staff from a dungeon.
If you want to maximize your chances, spend all your replay points on items that drop in dungeons. When you finish a dungeon it picks an item from the list and can't pick a unique item that you already own, so it should give you the Popularity Staff in only a few dungeon runs.

>> No.3468795

>>3462991
You don't mind having 20 different Touhou threads and 10 Umineko threads, but you bitch and whine about ONE Rance thread?

At least we use each of the thread up till it's gone, rather than start up dozens like some others.

>> No.3468818

Is it just me or is the hojou house bonus not worth 15 points?

You get 2 sub par characters(nanjou ran is worse than elina...), at 20 points you can get one eyed masamune house bnus instead, and omachi alone is crazy.

>> No.3468827

I just went past 25 turns with no battles.

Still not gotten the item. What gives?

>> No.3468842

Oh i had to clear the miso katsu dungeon to get it.

>> No.3468857

>>3468818
It's not so good, but that's probably why it's just 15 points. I'll admit it coulda been 10... Daidouji is a relatively bad Bushi unit (it takes Rance's Love to make her into a great one) and Ran is the very definition of "average".
I'm thinking Takeda/Additional Characters is the way to go.

>> No.3468873

Whats a good unit to use the working bee on?

>> No.3468877

>>3468873

Yuzumi.

>> No.3469019

If i want to go into yamamoto's route, i shouldnt bother pumping up her stats right? Since she will retire anyway.

>> No.3469022

why the hell VNDB tagged Sengoku Rance with 'Protagonist With Psychological Problem'...I am offended as a Rance fan.

>> No.3469042

>>3469019
Indeed... you can grab her one hit KO ability, but since she'll retire it's not quite worth putting any significant effort into her.
>>3469022
The dude collects seashells. What kind of a freak does that? Seriously, what a psycho.

>> No.3469073

>>3469022
I've been Rance fan for over a decade, and I find that description accurate.

crazy freaks are cool as fuck though.

>> No.3469140

The installation setup is reporting a error with a .alm movie file...

>> No.3469147

Im trying to get himiko from the miko instittue but she wont show up in battle :(.

>> No.3469209

>>3469147
Semi-unique commanders are a pain. Occasionally they're ridiculously easy to capture and other times they just don't show up. And sometimes, like with Honda Masanobu, there's just no way to know that they can't be captured until some condition is met.
I'm very happy that I'm completely done with those, though I'd like to try capturing Ootomo Sourin just one time to see if it's possible.

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>>3469073

All screws out. One of his more likeable traits.

>> No.3469460

On the yamamoto route, why does takeda declare on you directly after the temple incident? I should take them out first right?

>> No.3469464

>>3469460
If Takeda declares war on you and you're not after the house bonus... beat them ASAP before the generals get involved.

>> No.3469567

How do I capture the big Mori? Do i need to capture all 3 girls first and clear them?

>> No.3469632

>>3469567
If I remember correctly, you have to uncurse him before conquering them. I think that's it.

>> No.3469642

>>3469632
How to uncurse him?

>> No.3469678

>>3469642
Oh... recruit Ryouma and talk to "her", eventually you gain access to some dungeon in Izumo. Beating a youkai in there (Daidaara) will uncurse Motonari.

>> No.3470184

>>3468857
>I'm thinking Takeda/Additional Characters is the way to go.
Nope. The Mori maids are superior.

>> No.3470185

>>3462829
> Old. I already read this on http://www.anantalk.com/ (anan = anon) last night.
Not sure if I understand you correctly. Please explain.

>> No.3470196

>>3469147
There's a trick to get her, when you attack, she usually won't be there to defend because the Miko country has some predetermined units to defend when you attack.
But if you wait for the Miko country to attack you, she'll usually be there, about 33% chance.

>> No.3470209

>>3470184
Are you saying this because they're maids? Their stats are kinda meh...
Teru's an average Ashigaru. Relatively poor defensive skills, decent counterattack damage.
Kiku's an OK Ninja (but much worse than Yoshigake).
Chinu's a good Miko (which isn't saying much).
Motonari's a good Bushi unit, but those are a dime a dozen. He becomes mostly useless after you've cleared him, too.
I believe I'm going to settle for Takeda/Uesugi/Additional Characters in the future. Awesome characters, starting with Asset Tech, not breaking your NP limit, etc. Good stuff.

>> No.3470683

>>3470209
While I do believe he's joking, as Takeda 4 generals are the top units in the game (other than the hax Omachi),
I have to point this out to you.

>Teru's an average Ashigaru
What the hell.
She's one of the best Ashigaru unit in the game!?

>> No.3470710

>Teru's an average Ashigaru. Relatively poor defensive skills, decent counterattack damage.

You have to be joking, i always go to the trouble to take the whole house over just becasue of her before i go get Kenshin.
She saved my ass in battle so many times that i can't even count it.

>> No.3470723

>>3470209

no, he's right. the maids are better then the generals even from a gameplay perspective. you are usually using ninjas for ass2 so the general having better stat doesn't mean that much. you need a third footsoldier. katsu and nogiku isn't going to cut it and senhime is an iffy replacement. chiku has poison and the father comes with battle rating up and commander charge. the only thing the generals have is battle rating up, but you know what you're doing you don't really need that even on 5 star games.

>> No.3470845

Just for the heck of it, I compiled this(not complete):

Omachi Tier: Omachi, THAT Shimazu Musketeer, Suzaku Ran, Ikkyu(3 times)
Top Tier: Kenshin, Uruza, Shoun, Yamagata, Baba Shouen, Gekkou, Yamamoto, Natori, Toshihisa ,Yoshihisa, Nogiku, Yuzumi, Maria, Dousan
In-between:Rance
High Tier: Leila, Tourin, Koshigake, Teru, Kikku, Chinu, Noir,Masamune, Tokugawa, Kentarou(Demon and LV Farming), Shibata, Senhime, Kazuhisa, Goemon, Himiko, Shizuka(Sticky+WD on the go), Tokugawa, Agireda(Pure Numbers), Mouri, Battle Rating Up Tactician
Decent Tier: Ohime, Kazemaru and Maeda(upgrade requirements), Kojika, Magic, Rizna, Gon, Yuruzu, Mine, Honda , Suzume, Iehisa, Tanegashima, Aoi(stats+Asset),Yoshikage, Ranmaru, Daidouji, Hanzo, Elina, Morita Ai

Mediocre till bad: Rest of uniques, semi-uniques and generic prisoners.

>> No.3470894

>>3470723
You underestimate the bonus powers of Fuurin Kazan.

>> No.3470936

I don't know, I just don't like Teru that much. Her Guard% is OK despite her garbage Int because she's got the double version, but she's got ordinary Att/Def (6). You can't give her All Guard even if you want to.
Counterattack 2 is kinda fun, but on any fight that's actually hard you're gonna want something that's relevant to the character's role (in this case, tanking), like Enhanced Initial Guard. Plus it doesn't work at all against ranged attacks, and Cavalry and Monks are rare, so that pretty much leaves Bushi units.
I've always seen Maeda as the best Ashigaru available, with Nogiku close behind. After that there's maybe Senhime if you've got the items... of course I'm a big fan of All Guard, better to protect 5 units than just 2 and you can put 'em in the back if you want.
Playstyle does factor a lot into it, but in my book, considering that there's not a lot of unique Ashigaru units, Teru is just average.

>> No.3470951

>>3470894
Seriously, that ability is just... woah. It's like having all the "stat luck" abilities at the same time and with a 100% success rate.
Yamagata with 50 troops (fifty, think about how ridiculously low that is) can attack a 1000-troop, 9-Attack Rance... and survive.

>> No.3470957

>>3470936
Exactly because there are not a lot, she is above average. Give her Dragonfly cutter and a few normal books, and she is set. Since only Yoshihisa has Counter 2, capitalize on it.
Also, All-Guard is not always better, since guard meter can deplete TOO fast.
And when facing a strong army, it can mean rape.
You need both All-guard and normal, depending on the situation.
Also, Bushi are not the only melee units.

>> No.3470963

>>3470951
And 9 Defense Rance. Equipped with Chaos.
I tested that.

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>> No.3471024

>>3470957
You're right about needing both types. I keep Katsuie as my single-column tank and I'm happy enough with his performances. I give my All Guard tanks Enhanced Initial Guard for an extra 70% and of course all the Int2 books I get and they serve well in most fights too. Versatility is good.
Teru's Counterattack is... fun, but like I said, if I'm in a tough fight I want a tank. Countering melee groups for 300 damage is cute and all, but I have units that do nothing but damage already, and they've very good at it. I don't wanna dilute my tank's defensive abilities with funny stuff.
In any case... I see 3 above her (Maeda, Nogiku, Yoshihisa), two that are comparable (Senhime, Gon) and, er... I guess the tanuki dude is the only one that's actually crappier than she is? Is there another unique Ashigaru in the game that I'm forgetting?
What can I say. There's not a lot of 'em in the game, so of course she's a VERY GOOD unit to have. But I think she's overrated.

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