Umineko Mystery

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

At last, my masterpiece is finished!
Try your best, though I doubt that would change anything *cackle**cackle**cackle**cackle*


A group of friends (Ange, Rena, Battler, Beato, Irie) go to a beach and rent some hotel rooms nearby.
One room for Ange and Rena, another room for Battler and Beato, and the last one for Irie alone.
After having lots of fun, the group goes to sleep.

~ the next day ~
Ange wakes up and finds Rena lying in the bathtub, floating in blood.
The group is devastated by this turn of events and decides to cancel the trip and go back home.
Ange is naturally the biggest suspect but after two weeks of investigation, she was set free.

~ one week later ~
The remaining four go to a concert to have fun and forget about the tragedy.
The concert ends, everyone is preparing to leave, but something is odd; Ange is missing.
Everyone is shaking. They try to call her, but there's no response.
After calling the police, and looking in every conceivable place possible, Ange is nowhere to be found.
The group once again departs back to their homes, unable to accept this grave misfortune.

~ two months later ~
Battler graduates from college and is having a party at a bar with his friends, Beato and Irie.
Despite the joyous event, no one is able to forget the two tragedies of the past months.
The party is over, Irie leaves the bar first.
After a while, Beato and Battler finally leave... Irie is not there.
"Hah, HAHAHAHAHHAA, why is this so funny? What is wrong with me?", Battler says.
The two searched everywhere yet they could not find him.
Beato calls him, but it seems like he left his phone in the bar.

~ the next day ~
As a part of his usual morning routine, Battler turns on the TV and checks the news, and there was the announcement of Irie's death.
Battler is not surprised at all, in fact, he does not seem to care in the slightest. Is this even the "Battler" we all know?
Battler calls Beato to his apartment, for their final party.

~ five days later ~
Battler has been missing for the past 5 days, Kyrie and Rudolf are concerned, so they visit his apartment.
The doors and windows are locked, Rudolf breaks the front door.
Horrible stench greets them, emitting from their beloved son's corpse, and his lover, Beato, both lying dead inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34520898
It was Beato.

[Anonymous No.]

You haven't bothered to confirm the validity of any of the information given. How am I supposed to know anyone is dead. Repeat it in red: [purple]these crimes really did happen.[/purple]

[Anonymous No.]

[blue] Irie since was left alone in his room get mad and decided to revenge on his fake friends, so he killed Rena and kidnap-killed Ange, Beato and Battler discover this and decided to get revange so together killed Irie........but after seen the news Battler discover that he commited to much errors and instead to go into prisone he decided to kill himself with Beato [/blue[

IT'S OVER.. IT'S FUCKING OVER

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34520973
[red]Pathetic[/red], but I will deny it anyways, [red]false.[/red]
>>34520997
Kihihihihi, I will go even further and confirm their deaths for you.
[red]Rena is dead. Ange is dead. Irie is dead. Battler is dead. Beato is dead.[/red]
>>34521022
Pitiful fool. You fell right into my trap.
[red]Irie did not kill anyone![/red]

Now now, is this all got? I'd like to clarify one thing, [gold]I don't believe any of you are going to solve this mystery.[/gold]
Just submit to my magic already, fooooooools, WAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34521055
all you got*
Fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34520898
>>34521055
How about this this then? [blue]Rena committed suicide.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521055
[blue] Ange loved Irie and manipulated her into kill rena and then kill herself [/blue]
the rest of is this>>34521022


KNEEL NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>34520898
[blue]Battler is the culprit. Or to be exact: Battler's alternative personality. The first murder was carried during the night, naturally. For the second murder, he drugged Irie's drink, and later killed him and hid the corpse. By this time, the original battler was starting to realize what was happening. Before alt-battler kills beato, og-battler tries to kill himself in a final act of defiance, but it's to late. Both die.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521055
In the end, it's Battler and Beato. Unless there's a third party, it has to be one of them. I was leaning towards Battler being the culprit given the sudden breakdown and "... what is wrong with me" but it seems all to coincidental for that to happen and for him to forget his phone at the bar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521106
[blue]forgot about ange, but the theory remains the same[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34520898
The catbox is too big. Unless this works I'm not sure what can be done.
[blue]Culprit X, or possibly mastermind X is responsible for all the crimes. The fact that a significant amount of time passed between each crime means that the culprit was picking them off one by one.[/blue] So basically what I'm saying is, [blue]none of these scenarios are closed rooms so the culprit X can simply use method of killing X to kill each victim. There's no need to elaborate. The crimes can easily be done without magic.[/blue]

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34521068
[red]Rena did not commit suicide.[/red]
Next time, present a theory behind or I will not respond.
>>34521076
[red]Ange did not manipulate Rena in any way.[/red]
[red]No character can manipulate/control another one.[/red] Get these foolish thoughts out of your mind!
>>34521106
WAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA!!
Another fool falling for my traps.
[red]There are no alternative personalities in this game![/red]
>>34521155
>none of these scenarios are closed
Hooh, but you're wrong here. [red]Rena died in a perfect locked-room. And yes, there is a ceiling in this one, it's a hotel room after all.[/red]
[red]Battler and Beato also died in a perfect locked room![/red]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521213
>]Rena died in a perfect locked-room
So you're saying a ghost came through the wall and stabbed her to death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521213
But you haven't denied my main point. [blue]Any number of unnamed humans carried out the crimes.[/blue] Or in other words [blue]all the named characters so far haven't committed any crimes.[/blue]
As long as you don't deny this, I can bullshit any number of different scenarios. You can't forge an alibi for the entirety of humanity without your treasured red sword!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521213
Can you confirm that [blue]Rena was dead at the moment of her being discovered in the bathtub by Ange?[/blue] and can you deny [blue]all the deaths are accidents or coincidences! Rena accidentally died in the bathtub! Ange was kidnapped by random criminals! Irie got shanked in a random alleyway! Battler and Beato had a bit too much fun![/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521213
[blue] Irie and Ange are accomplices in the death of Rena and to avenge her death Battler and Beato killed them, after their revange decide to die to avoid prison [/blue]

SLEEP WELL MY BEUTIFUL DREAM

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521213
Define [red]perfect locked room[/red] if you can. Let's just say [blue]the windows could be broken, allowing easy passage into your seemingly perfect locked rooms.[/ble]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521283
>there is a ceiling in this one, it's a hotel room after all
It's either a hint or a red herring. If the vents are large enough, then someone might be able to fit through if they're small enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521302

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521302

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521213
I want to confirm the order of deaths here. [blue]Culprit X killed Rena first using method X, after which he killed Ange some time later, then Irie afterwards, and lastly Battler and Beato.[/blue]

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34521255
Obviously, I called one of the stakes and ordered her to go inside and kill Rena.
>>34521261
Tch, you [red]incompetent fool.[/red]
[red]Another human committing the crime does not mean he was not ordered by someone else, hitmen exist.[/red]
>all the named characters so far haven't committed any crimes
HHAHAHAHAHA, very well, [red]at least one of the named characters committed a crime![/red]
>>34521270
[red]Rena was dead at the moment of her being discovered in the bathtub by Ange.[/red]
[red]Not all of the deaths were accidents.[/red]
>>34521272
You [red]FOOL, there are no accomplices![/red]
>>34521283
>>34521302
[red]A perfect locked room is a room that allows no hidden passageways/doors, that is why I call it perfect.[/red]
>>34521369
The order is as I stated previously here. >>34521055

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521213
confirm this in blue
[blue] Irie exit from the bar for a message on his phone or a call.....send by Ange's phone [/blue]

Ange's killer had it naturally

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521399
>[red]A perfect locked room is a room that allows no hidden passageways/doors, that is why I call it perfect.[/red]
Then the only way any of them would have died is if they were attacked, didn't notify anyone, locked themselves in a room and died. That would imply a third party killed each of them one by one. The only missing information is what happened inbetween the time time they were last seen alive and the time they were found dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521399
>Another human committing the crime does not mean he was not ordered by someone else, hitmen exist.
>there are no accomplices!
Beatrice....I

[blue] Irie ask Ange to kill Rena and to avenge her death Battler and Beato killed them, after their revange decide to die to avoid prison [blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521399
You're STILL dodging my questions. Repeat this: [purple]a perfect locked room cannot be accessed through any human means.[/purple] Of course that won't stop a witch, but if a human can do it too then you aren't much of a witch.
And I'll say it again. [blue]Some other human carried out at least one of the crimes. This human is unbound by all alibis you can place on the existing characters.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521399
>The order is as I stated previously here.
I don't think you understood. Fine, let me rephrase it. [blue]Rena couldn't have killed Ange because Rena was already dead. Ange couldn't have killed Irie because Ange was already dead. Irie couldn't have killed Beato and Battler because Irie was aleady dead.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521399
Hoho, so Beato died last. [blue]Beato knocked on rena's room. Ange was sound asleep and didn't notice. Rena was still up and opened the door. Then all she needs to do is kill her and lock the door on her way out. As for Ange and Irie's murders, they are in no way closed rooms, and enough time passed until the bodies were discovered so that any method could be viable. In their last party, she killed battler, but died accidentally.[/blue] I wouldn't discard accidents just yet, after all "[red]Not ALL deaths were accidents[/red].

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34521441
Combine your reasoning into a theory and present it, FOOL. I am not obliged to reply to normal text.
>>34521449
[red]Irie did not ask Ange to kill Rena. [/red]I'll also add, [red]you're incompetent.[/red]
>>34521465
Very well, [red]a perfect locked room cannot be accessed through any human means.[/red]
[red]A perfect room cannot be accessed in any way unless it is unlocked with a key.[/red]
I refuse to repeat your blues.
>>34521483
[red]Acknowledged.[/red]
>>34521494
WAAAAAAAHHAHAHA!!!
Allow me to crush your pitiful theory with my red truth, [red]Beato is not the culprit![/red]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521602
>Beato is not the culprit!
This means it's either Battler or a different culprit each time. And accidents nor suicides are still not completely ruled out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521602
first replay at this
>>34521407

second confirm that ask is not hire for commit a murder
is yes change the blue truth with hire if not EXPLAIN WHAT MEAN HIRE A HITMAN,

Pls Beato
[blue] Ange killed herself and but before that speak about everything to battler and beato [/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521602
[blue]Murders can still be carried from outside the rooms, let's, with a gun![/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521602
I'm a Eurofag, so I'm not going to be staying up for much longer. That's why I'm taking a solely anti-fantasy approach here. Now see this.
[blue]Just because a room is a perfect locked room doesn't stop an external culprit from killing those inside it. It can be a gunshot through the door, some sort of poison gas or even just leaving them to starve.[/blue] And again I can rely on culprit X to say [blue]culprit X used some method to kill Battler and Beato at the very least.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521602
o wait

[blue] both Rena and Ange loved Irie and Irie make them kill themself, then Beato and battler killed him to avenge their deaths and to avoid prison both of them killed themself [/blue]

CMON THIS MUST BE THE SOLUTION

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521708
Italianon red these two >>34521399 no accomplices >>34521602 beato is not a culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521727
and
force someone to kill himself is not muh accomplice and Naturally Battler is the killer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34520898
>>34521602
Ok Beato. Say this in red! "Ange was dead by the time Battler and Beato had their last party".

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521740
see >>34521213

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521748
Rena sama u guly i dump you
nooooo my love kill herself
LMAO AHAHAHAHHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521602
Can you define what a culprit is in red? If someone orders a hitman to kill another person, is the person who ordered the murder the culprit? And the hitman merely a tool in that scenario? What about accidents? If a person causes an accident that results in the death of another person, is the one who caused the accident the culprit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521748
>>34521747
>>34521602
[blue] both Rena and Ange killed themself because Irie is a bastard that break their love, Battler kill him to avenge their deaths, but he was spotted by police so called Beatrice to speak about her before go in prison , but after this story she killed herself to not being able to live without Battler and Battler did the smae [/blue]

THIS MUST BE THE SOLUTION

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34521637
Heeeh, then show me what you got.
I await your blue theories.
>>34521661
Interesting, however, [red]Ange did not call Irie at any point.[/red]
>>34521694
>>34521704
[red]Acknowledged, a person can be killed by getting shot through the door.[/red] But don't you think it's a little stupid for someone to blast a shotgun in someone's door, while everyone is sleeping? WAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!
>>34521747
VERY WELL, MY DEAR!
[red]Ange was dead by the time Battler and Beato had their last party![/red]
No, I'll make it even better, [red]everyone else was dead by the time Battler and Beato had their last party![/red]
>>34521769
Hooh, finally someone is making some moves.
[red]A culprit is an individual who intentionally murders another individual, that includes relying on middlemen such as hitmen, or any possible method.[/red]
However, [red]there are no accomplices![/red]
[red]A hitman is not considered an accomplice since he is doing his job, not intentionally helping the culprit.[/red]
[red]Yes, someone is considered a culprit if they plotted an accident that kills their target.[/red]
>>34521814
[red]Rena did not commit suicide, you're pathetic.[/red]
[gold]At this rate, you're not going to solve the mystery, Italian FOOOOOOOOOL![/gold]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34520898

I'll say this Beato!! [/blue]Everyone know that Irie is on another room but you never specified which room that is! It could be the case that Irie was hiding in the bathroom were Rena was found and kill'd her. He scaped when Ange discover'd her body and told the others.[/blue]

>>34521399
Also, I'll state one more thing. You already said in red that there are no accomplices but it could be the case that [/blue]Irie and Ange different motives to kill the rest of the group! And help'd each other without knowing it.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521847
>[red]Ange did not call Irie at any point.[/red]
HOLY SHIT ANGE IS ALREADY DEAD ANON
I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT HIS KILLER, TAKE HER PHONE TO CALL IRIE AND BRING HIM INTO HIS TRAP

[Anonymous No.]

lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521847
fuck if a pain rewrite everything
[blue] Irie hire a killer to kill Rena, Beato and Ange killed themself and Battler killed themself after killing Irie to avenge Rena [/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521847
Who cares about the noise? [blue]Battler and Beato were shot through the door. That's how they died. As you said, it could very well be a hitman who killed them, carrying out that order even if the culprit is already dead.[/blue] If you can't answer me, then this portion of the illusion is broken and you're left one step away from defeat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521847
>Heeeh, then show me what you got. I await your blue theories.
Here I go: [blue]The culprit is Ange! She murdered Rena and managed to fool the police. It's not the first or the last time something like that happened irl. She commited suicide later, but payed a hitman beforehand to carry out the rest of the murders![/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

[blue] Battler killed everyone by hiring a Hitman....even himself [/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

I do have a question. What are the winning conditions? Do we need to discover the who, how and why?
Or we simply have to demonstrate that this case could be performed by a human and magic is not necesary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521847
[blue]Irie hired a hitman to kill Rena, Ange, Beato, and Battler. Irie's death was either an accident, or an elaborate suicide, because he hired a hitman on himself. Of course, he made sure to hire a hitman to kill Beato and Battler before Irie himself died. Beato and Battler's murders would be carried out after Irie's death.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

You never should've specifically mentioned hitmen. Unless that was a red herring meant to deceive us, [blue]You're the incompetent one around here.[/blue] Prove me wrong or die with this magnificent blue stake!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521953
Typically mysteries are solved when you guess the Who and How dunnit. The why dunnit's importance varies between authors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34521964
I should add I'm not OP.

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34521855
[red]Pitiful erikaposter.[/red]
[red]The group rented three rooms. One is for Ange and Rena, the other is for Battler and Beato, and the last one is for Irie.[/red]
Even better, [red]Absolutely no one of the group left his room after they locked it and went to sleep![/red]
WAHAHAHAHHA, how is that?
>help'd each other without knowing it
Heh, you're free to assume that, it doesn't contradict with my definition of an accomplice, [red]so maybe it's true, maybe not?[/red] WAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHA!!
>>34521876
You said "send by Ange's phone", you incompetent nyaff.
[red]Irie did not receive any calls prior to his leaving/that forced him to leave.[/red]
In other words, [red]your theory is WRONG.[/red]
>>34521902
[red]Irie did not hire a hitman. Irie is not the culprit.[/red]
>>34521905
Hehehe, as incompetent as ever.
[red]Battler and Beato did not die from a gunshot![/red]
Now submit to my magic and cease your pitiful theories.
>>34521911
Tch, and here I expected something from an Erikaposter, [red]how pathetic.[/red]
[red]Ange did not kill Rena![/red]
>>34521958
PATHETIC PATHETIC PATHETIC!
ALL OF YOU ARE SO FAR AWAY!
[red]Irie did not hire any hitmen! I just confirmed that he is not the culprit.[/red]
>>34521959
WAHAHAHHA, you think a refined mystery writer such as me would be THIS incompetent?
You're just like the other Battlerposter, dancing right in the palm of my hands.
I will actually confirm it for you, [red]the hitman was a trap, all of you fell for! WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!![/red]
>>34521953
You're supposed to find the whodunit and howdunit of each murder.
Of course, the latter automatically checks if you do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522059
ok since my theory is death pls clarify something.

Rena's room was closed all the nigthand there are no hole on it
if someone enter in a door, people will notice him
Irie had a reason to exit the bar early

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522059
Nice try, but that doesn't stop me in the slightest. [blue]A hitman, hired by one of the deceased, killed Battler and Beato through whatever means. The cause of their death is irrelevant due to the lack of information. All that matters is that they're dead.[/blue] If you want to disprove me, specifically mention the state of their corpses. Any identifying wounds? Or perhaps they looked all shriveled up from not having any food or water. I'll put it like this, [blue]You exclaiming the state of their corpses will give away the way they were killed.[/blue]
And just because Irie didn't hire a hitman doesn't mean that [blue]some other person did it.[/blue] As long as you don't deny that each and every one of them didn't hire a hitman, it could be anyone. As for why they'd possibly get themselves killed is something to save for the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522059
How do you define "going out of the room"? Only through the door?

>it doesn't contradict with my definition of an accomplice
You haven't give one yet! You've only said that a hitman is not an accomplice since it's doing a job.
I'm assuming that your definition is "being concerted to performe a crime" or something similiar. So I'll say it [/blue]There is more than one culprit and they were not concerted or aware of who the other one was.[/blue]

I'll wait your response to keep elaborating

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522059
Has it ever been established that there's only one culprit? if not [blue]Battler murdered Rena. Battler cheated on Beato with Ange, but Rena caught them once. So he silenced her. Ange died before Irie, but there's nothing that says that she wasn't alive during those two months. She prepared Irie's murder but accidentally died first! After Battler got hit with all the guilt of what he did, he prepared a couple's suicide, and beato died a few seconds after him.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522059
[blue]Rudolf and Kyrie are the culprits. They murdered everyone using some method or another.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522059
I got two ideas to deposit since they seem interesting.
[blue] The cause of death for both Beato and Battler, is themselves. More specifically, since two out of the five were killed, they figure it’s only a matter of time until the other is killed. In their suspicion and paranoia, they ultimately die by each other’s hands.[/blue]

This one’s out there, so be ready:
[blue] Ange is the cause of Rena’s death. Reason being is that she has a huuuuge brother complex, and wants Battler all to herself. She kills Rena, and disappears at the concert because the suspicion of Rena’s death leaves all eyes on her.[/blue]

Even if that’s not the case, it’s fun to think about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34520898
[blue] even if Irie is not a culprut he can being hired by Battler to kill Ange and Rena, then Battler killed him,Beato and himself [/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34520898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C-f44fGQGE
IT'S OVER....IT'S FUCKING OVER

POOR BATTLER ONLY NOW I UNDERSTAND HIS PAIN

[blue] ALL HIS 4 FIRNEDS HIRE BATTLER TO KILL THEM, AFTER KILLING ALL HIS FRIENDS BATTLER FEEL THAT HE CHANGED AND DECIDED TO KILL HIMSELF BEFORE BECOME A MONSTER [/blue]

SLEEP WELL MY BEAUTIFUL WITCH

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34522105
Tch, I already said in red [red]at the time of Rena's death, her room was a perfect locked room.[/red]
[red]If someone enters a room they will not get noticed, everyone is asleep after all.[/red]
>>34522136
Heh, I just denied that in red, yet you still want to continue?
VERY well, fool, I will make sure to ABSOLUTELY CRUSH you this time.
[red]NO hitmen were used in this game![/red]
WAHAHAHAHHA, that's what you get for trying to outwit the Witch of Rokkenjima, now SHOO!
>>34522161
[red]As long as a room is a perfect locked room, the only way to get inside is unlocking it with a key.[/red]
Moreover, [red]each key was inside each room after everyone went to sleep and locked them.[/red]
[red]An accomplice is someone who intentionally and willingly helps the culprit to commit a crime, this does not include the hitmen because they're considered a tool in this case.[/red]
I refuse to repeat your blue.
>>34522162
tcheh, I refuse to repeat your blue.
>>34522167
WAHAHAHAHAHA, very good erikaposter, looks like the clown position suits you more.
>>34522209
For your first theory, [red]Beato did not kill Battler, and vice versa.[/red]
For your second theory... Heh, [red]IT IS LAUGHABLY PATHETIC![/red]
>>34522217
[red]A culprit is someone who murders, if I deny that X person is not a culprit that means they could have not committed any crimes.[/red]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522295
BUT AN HITMAN IS NOT A CULPRIT FOR YOU RIGTH?
so 1 of the friends can killed them all and not being the culprit since he was just a tool

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522295
Ooooooh so you refuse??? But which paaart??? Is it perhaps: [blue]there's is more than a culprit?
or is it [bkue]Battler's and Beato's death was a lover's suicide?[/blue]
or is it that [blue]Ange didn't die during the two month timeskip, not until right before Irie died?[/blue]
or perhaps that [blue]the one to kill rena was battler?!!![/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522295
[blue]Battler committed suicide.[/blue] That's all I'll say.
<Goodnight>, I sleep now.

[Anonymous No.]

ok italianon here
i must leave for some time

i will return faster as possible
before that
[blue] Battler kill everyone and killed himself with Beato [/blue]
or Beato can kill everyone under the order of Battler but i don know if a not culprit is not even a hitman

[Anonymous No.]

Heh, guess it's time...

ASHES TO ASHES
DUST TO DUST
ILLUSIONS TO ILLUSIONS
AND DREAMS TO DREAMS

...this is all nothing but a farce, nothing but a collision of two people's delusions, of course, there is no alternate personalities, (as in a person who acts the part of another person)[blue]Ange, Rena, and Irie are tulpas that Beato created, in other words, they never existed. Battler is committed to destroying Beato's imaginary friends by inserting violent delusions into her personal fantasy in hopes that Beato can come back to reality. Battler becomes quite twisted due to all of the violent scenarios he is thinking of, eventually, this violence comes naturally to him and he turns to attempt to murder Beato in order to free her from her fantasy[/blue]

here's an example
>A group of friends (Ange, Rena, Battler, Beato, Irie) go to a beach and rent some hotel rooms nearby.
[blue]Beato rents two extra rooms for her tulpas, Irie, Ange and Rena, we are not aware of Battler and Beato's money situation but renting 3 separate rooms could be quite draining money-wise. Perhaps an addition to Battler's motive, if Beato keeps spending the extra money to uphold her delusion, they will eventually run out of money.[/blue]

>Ange wakes up and finds Rena lying in the bathtub, floating in blood.
>Ange is naturally the biggest suspect but after two weeks of investigation, she was set free.
This is the start of Battler's delusion massacre, [blue]Battler and Beato both go to wake up Rena and Ange, when they enter the room, Battler screams "OH MY GOD RENA IS DEAD IN THE BATHTUB NOOOOOO", Battler influences Beato's delusion using external sensations such as sound, Beato adjusts her delusion to accommodate for the "death" that has taken place and with that, Rena has been killed.[/blue]

However, Beato does not give up on her delusions, [blue]Beato has tulpa-Ange be "investigated" for two weeks and is proven innocent as an attempt for Beato to hold on to the innocence of her tulpa friend[/blue]

I'll get to the rest later, Beato, strike my blues down if you dare, I simply want to know if I'm on the right path or not. heh...

[Anonymous No.]

It seems there's more than one culprit, I can feel Italianon's anger from across the ocean, considering Van Dine's 12th[/spoilers]

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34522335
[red]FOOL, those people, as you just said, are "friends", they're not some specialized serial killers trained specifically for murder.[/red]
>>34522338
k-kissama.......
I am not obliged to reply to your messed up babbling, HOWEVER;
[red]Ange was dead in the two months timespan![/red]
[red]Battler did not kill Rena![/red]
>>34522350
I-i refuse to repeat your blue.
M-maybe if you submit to my magic right now I will invite you to the Golden Land, and we'll forget about all of this? How about that, Battora-kuuuuuuuuun?????????
>>34522382
[red]Battler did not murder anybody. Battler is not the culprit.[/red]
>>34522385
WAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, [red]WHAT AN EMBARRASSING ENTRY![/red]
However, you have entertained me greatly with your trite, I give you that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522295
So you refuse to repeat my blue. GOOD.
I'll need a little bit more of information. Repeat this in red! "There is only one key per room".
Also I'll state this [/blue]The cause of Rena's death is not slaughter.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry, Beato, I can't figure out the truth behind your mystery. Well, at least not for now, because I have to go to bed. I'll think about it in my sleep though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522385
Seriously, willposter?
>>34522432
Well, if Irie is not the culprit, Beato is not the culprit and now Battler is not the culprit, this leaves us Rena and Ange. However, Ange did not kill Rena, nor did Rena commit suicide. So there's only one answer: [blue]Rena's death was entirely accidental! She slipped in the bathtub or something![/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522432
>>34522437
I forgot to say this. You're refusing to repeat the [/blue]Battler commited suicide[/blue] statement. So can we say that [/blue]"commiting a crime or murder" equals murdering someone else but your own persona[/blue]?

What is your definition of "person" or "character", Beato? Just a body or a body + a personality?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522295
I won’t deny that reasoning I gave on Ange killing Rena for that reason is pathetic, but I see some some potential merit in it. After all, [blue] people are capable of doing ugly and beautiful things for valiant or pathetic reasons, even murder! It’s not so crazy for things to happen for pathetic reasons. Ange still could have killed Rena because she has a thing for Battler, even if it’s pathetic! [/blue]
Unless you smack it down harder, it’s still on the table.

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

Seems like everyone is going to sleep, so we will end it today here.
Your beautiful witch needs to rest, surely you wouldn't mind that, would you?
>>34522437
>>34522465
Hehehehehe, at least you've figured out something today. [red]You are right, Rena's death was an accident.[/red]
However, [red]you're still far away from the truth![/red]

I will continue tomorrow at the same time I started today except an hour or two earlier, I suppose the Americans should be up by that time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522465
Ah come on! Why would we have a mistery if the answer is "it was an accident"?
Van Dine's eighteenh commandment:
>A crime in a detective story must never turn out to be an accident or a suicide. To end an odyssey of sleuthing with such an anti-climax is to hoodwink the trusting and kind-hearted reader.

[Anonymous No.]

[blue]Rena died accidentally as I described here [/blue] >>34522465 [blue]Ange died via either an accident, or kidnapping. It's also possible Rena hired a hitmen although I doubt it. Same can be said for Irie's death, but adding Ange as a possible mastermind. Battler's and Beato's death is a lover's suicide, probably orchestrated by Battler himself. But there's also the possibility Battler just offed himself on his own and Beato couldn't cope and followed his example.[/blue] Ange's and Irie's death are too open ended to formulate a precise theory.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been fucked so hard I reverted to the original sprites, however, the dream is still alive...

Why aren't Rudolf and Kyrie worried about Ange being missing? Ange should be dead by the time Battler and Beato's final party began... Interesting to say the least...

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522526
>>34522521
Van dine's not happy.
>>34522539
It's alright willposter, after all, if you never make an schizo theory that gets BTFO'd did you truly participate in a mystery?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm proud of you, /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522521

>You are right, Rena's death was an accident

So you turned out to be the pathetic little witch you've always been. How dissapointing. This game enterteined me, but it has been proven that is dull and boring.
Sayounara, Beato

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522167
This theory hasn't been denied nor confirmed in red yet, just saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522568
Waga arujiiii!!! Let her at least admit defeat against my theory!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522437
>>34522577
I reach out the same conclusion, but without the accident part. I'm truly dissapointed of this game and of you Erika. At least, if you would've done the theory and point out how pathetic the accident solution was, I could've given you a reward...

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522612
I was distracted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522520
>>34522521
...Oh, well that answers that then.
Well final blue from me today, [blue]Beato also dies accident. Feeling misery that all his friends are gone, and his lover are dead, Battler kills himself.[/blue]
In fact I’ll go on a limb and say that [blue] All the death’s that occurred in this story (minus Battler) were due to bad luck and happenstance, not intentional means.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

italianon here
pls explain to me this shit about hitman

ARE ALLOWED?
HOW THEY WORKS?
CAN FRIENDS BE HITMAN?

is just to confuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522521
>accident
anon...i

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522765
Anon is a <1928 mystery writer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522777
just too confusing with the hitman dude
the solution of a closed room...is an accident?

i dont like this
[blue] Battler think that Ange was the real culprit of Rena's death so hire an hitman to kill her, then Irie and in the end......kill themself with Beaot [/blue]

too confusing

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522806
Battler is not the culprit, it was said in red >>34522432. He can't kill anyone, nor order someone to be killed. And yes, the solution of Rena's closed room is an accident: >>34522521

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522854
HOLY SHIT
i can't endure anymore this shit about hitman

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522861
It seems like the hitman was nothing more than a distraction. But I guess we need to wait until tomorrow once OP comes back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522871
>>34522854
Battler is not the culprit
Beato is not the culprit
Irie is not the culprit
Rena died for an accident

naturally the culprit is Ange but had no sense
she killed Kirie and herself and Beato and Battler double suicide

have no sense anon
no fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522889
And both Ange's and Irie's deaths are open ended enough you could say [blue]they were abducted by the CIA[/blue] and It could very well work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34522910
maybe Irie kidnap Ange
since Ange didn't died immidiatly but died before Irie....

so Irie kidnap Ange to make her confess about the Rena's death......then Ange hire an hitma to kill her and Irie....no fucking sense.
irie cna't kill her or hire an hitman only Ange can do it but died before Irie......

HOLY SHIT PLS PLS
NOT INCIDENT ANYMORE PLS I BEG YOU

[Anonymous No.]

can i be teh magic??

[Anonymous No.]

[blue] all the 5 friends are victim of a bad final destination plot that make Rena,Ange and Irie died of incident...to avoid being killed the angry destiny Beato and Battler killed themself [/blue]

I FUCKING HATE YOU
FINAL DESTINATION MUST VIOLATE KNOX AND DINE

[Anonymous No.]

When?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34534651
In an hour, sorry I got some stuff I need to take care of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34534651
Right meow.

[Anonymous No.]

Hohohoho, your beloved witch is back! Let's see what your pea brains have managed to reason.

>>34522526
>>34522568
Now now, don't falter ladies, you should use this to solve the bigger mystery instead.
>>34522539
Kihihihi, [red]Rudolf and Kyrie considered Ange dead and lost all hope![/red]

>>34522676
[red]Beato did not die in an accident.[/red]
[red]At least one of these deaths were intentional.[/red]

>>34522889
>>34522934
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
IT MAKES NO SENSE DOES IT? DOES IT? WAHHAHAAHAHHAHA!!
Just submit to my magic and cease your futile reasoning, fool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535326
replay to this
>>34528887
YOUR FINAL DESTINATION IS DESTROYED

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535326
At least one other intentional death besides Battler...
Well, assuming Beato and Battler basically did a suicide pact, I’ll argue that [blue]Irie’s death was not intentional. After drinking at the bar with Battler and Beatrice, Irie stupidly decided to drive while being drunk. Because he was drunk driving, Irie got into an accident, and died in the crash.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535397
The fuck is a final destination?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535484
Y’know, like the movie series. A group of people escape death, Death doesn’t like that, and systematically kills them off.

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34528887
k...... keh...
I refuse to repeat.
However, this does not mean you solved the mystery! [gold]You're still far from the truth![/gold]
>>34535481
HAHAHA, very well, [red]you are right![/red]
[red]Irie died from a car accident, because he was drunk![/red]

Now tell me about the remaining deaths, I don't think they should be hard now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535502
Here you go, lad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535529
Based Final destination
[blue] Rena died of an accident, same for Ange, same for Irie, battler was afraid same for Beato and could not live knowing that they could die in every moment so decided to kill themself [/blue]

pls specify what you want to solve this mystery?

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34535599
>pls specify what you want to solve this mystery?
That's the mystery, FOOL!
[red]The objective is the mystery![/red] WAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH!!!
There is something odd going on, you have to figure it out!
Just read your very own theory, something is not in place!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535644
[blue] Only Rena death is an incident, the other are all suicide but seems like incident, Ange killed herself because she could save her friend if she wasn't sleeping. Same for Irie........Battler,Beato and everyone thinked that these deaths were incidents so thinking about a curse killed themself for too much paranoia [/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535562
Hey I was just explaining what it was, no bully.

>>34535529
I don’t know for sure how Ange died. One guess is that [blue] Ange overdosed on drugs at the concert, someplace secluded where she wouldn’t be found.[/blue]
As mentioned before, [blue] Rena died before she could get out of the bathtub, cracking her head open when she fell in the bathtub.[/blue]
And like I brought up before, I think it’s possible that [blue] for one reason or another, Battler and Beato formed a suicide pact, killing themselves.[/blue]

By the way, did you know that in one of the Final Destination movies, the forces of death won’t let you kill yourself? It wants you dead by it’s own hands, it’s that petty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535644
[blue] Only Rena death is an incident and the other suicide after understand that they could not save the person who died before them [/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535644
[blue]One of the characters that was proclaimed dead in red earlier actually changed their legal name and started acting as a new person. It's not an alternate personality, it's a new identity. One of the previous identities died.[/blue] Much like Ange in the VN at the end.

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34535705
>>34535721
>>34535774
>>34535825
Fools, let me confirm all deaths for you, because the real mystery is not related to them.
[red]Rena died by accident, she tripped and hit her head on the bathtub.[/red]
[red]Ange's death was an incident, she acted rude to a bunch of delinquents so they kidnaped, raped and murdered her.[/red] A fitting death for that cold bitch if you ask me, kihihihihihi...
[red]Irie died from a car accident.[/red]
[red]Battler and Beato had a suicide pact, thus both of them are criminals (the crime of suicide) but no one killed the other.[/red]
Now, there's something odd going on, what is it? I'll be revealing it in my next post, try your best!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535866
naturally is why Battler and Beato suicide
for what reason?

if all of that are incident they have no reason to die.
are scared that this curse will take even them?

this is the odd
THE REASON

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535866
Battler and Beato think that is all her fault

they take the good bathhub room, they let Ange leave and they didnt warning Irie about theit cellphone

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535866
Are we supposed to believe this was a predetermined chain of events orchestrated by someone or something? Did the world unite against these five people to bring about their ruin and despair, which lead to their deaths? Admitting that is like admitting that it was done with your magic. I will never accept that! You hear me? Never!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34535866
Huh... I suppose besides thinking of it as a movie plot, I’d say that the common thread is that [blue]every victim in this story had a part to play in their demise, intentional or not. Had they acted smarter, they would probably still be alive.[/blue]

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34535909
[red]Beato and Battler hand enough, so they decided to end it.[/red]
>>34535974
FOOL, it's the OPPOSITE!
>>34535980
[red]That is completely unrelated.[/red]

Heh, [red]incompetent rats![/red]
This is the biggest hint I've posted so far, and the last one! This is your last chance!

[red]The culprit must be someone named in the narrative.[/red]

[red]Rena is not the culprit.[/red]
[red]Ange is not the culprit.[/red]
[red]Irie is not the culprit.[/red]
[red]Battler is not the culprit.[/red]
[red]Beato is not the culprit.[/red]
WHO is the culprit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536044
NO ONE

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536044
G-GOD DAMN IT, ITS ALL OF EM, [blue] RENAANGEIRIEBATTLERBEATO IS THE CULPRIT, ALL OF THEM TOGETHER DID THIS SHIT, FUCK IT[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536044
Well in that case, [blue]it's either Rudolf or Kyrie, or both of them![/blue] Or if you want to stretch it even further, [blue]it's the police! The police failed them in their investigations behind Rena's death, the police failed in apprehending the thugs behind Ange's murder, the police failed in making sure Irie doesn't end up in a drunken driving accident, the police failed in making Beato and Battler secure in this society! The police made all of them feel unsafe![/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536044
[blue]NO FUCKING ONE IS THE CULPRIT, JUST BAD EVENTS IN BAD MOMENTS, RENA,ANGE AND IRIE WERE JUST UNLUCKY AND BATTLER AND BEATO COULD NOT LIVE WITHOUT THEM, THIS IS NOT A MYSTERY THIS IS JUST THE REAL LIFE [/blue]

DIRTY WITCH YOU ARE HAPPY NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536044
Ultimately, I suppose [blue]the one responsible for all these death’s was death itself. This tragedy could have happened to anybody. There wasn’t a plan for this happening, or a real reason, that’s just how the cookie crumbled.[/blue]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536044
Either that, or [blue]we're the fucking culprits, the readers! By consuming your story and this narrative, we've killed these characters. We kept failing to give these characters peace in their final rest![/blue]

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34536096
HAHAHAHAHAH, [red]PATHETIC.[/red]
>>34536106
[red]Rudolf is not the culprit.[/red]
[red]Kyrie is not the culprit.[/red]
And lastly, [red]the police is not the culprit.[/red] BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

>>34536145
You could say that.

>>34536151
Hahahaha, interesting, however, [red]schizo theories are not allowed![/red]

>>34536129
Heh, you got it after ALL these hints? What a shocker.
That's right, [red]there is no culprit![/red]
The mystery isn't about who did it, it's about whether there's a culprit or not!
I gave away a lot of hints so [red]you're still incompetent.[/red]

And with that I conclude this game, maybe I shouldn't have dropped too much hints tehehehe...
What did you think? I hope you enjoyed yourselves.

Oh, and for the anons complaining about Knox and Van Dine's rules, very well, [red]I accept your challenge![/red]
The next time, there will be one that abides by both and is even nastier than this one, WAHAHAHAHHA!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536200
ITALIANON WON AGAIN

i hate you for violating every fucking rule...but the end was very good
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536200
Nice mystery! I personally think Knox and Van Dine are guidelines than set in stone, but I’m curious to see how you weave the next mystery accounting for everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536200
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Fuck you! This wasn't even a mystery! You just wanted to waste everyone's god damn time! You witches are the worst!
For real though, I suppose it was okay. Although the lack of any culprits and mystery really defeats the purpose. I've had fun roleplaying and developing schizo theories, but it would've been more fun if there was an actual mystery involved. I dunno, include crazy tricks all you want, but don't rely on accidents and lack of culprits. In that case they're just tragedies, not mysteries.

[None !3hBuQfv0qY No.]

>>34536219
>>34536252
Glad you enjoyed it. And yes, it will be great, you better be there anon! Kihihihihi...
>>34536269
Hehehe, well yes, the narrative is not even the mystery, it was the objective!
Don't worry though, [red]there WILL be a culprit in the next mystery![/red] And you're not going to solve it, WAAAAAHAHAHAH!!

Thank you for participating, the Witch of Rokkenjima has to go now, until the next time, mystery maniacs!

[Anonymous No.]

I forgot to come back for the mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536427
turns out there was no mystery after all, so you didn't miss out on anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536494
Lame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536325
I'll say it again. You're booooring Beato

>To end an odyssey of sleuthing with such an anti-climax is to hoodwink the trusting and kind-hearted reader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536325
>there WILL be a culprit in the next mystery!

We will be waiting for a real mystery. We'll come to play with you if it's entertaining enough. Specially Lamba is waiting big things from you, since she's the one that gave you the rank of Witch and give you her vote in the Senate

[Anonymous No.]

Everything okay there guys?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34549547
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34549547
Maybe

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>34536494
>turns out there was no mystery after all, so you didn't miss out on anything
Now I'm mad.
The mystery was that there was no mystery at all? I'll tune in next time.