/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

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A place for discussion of the works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON. Please advise in the thread if any of the links below need to be updated.

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (in Japanese)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Kara no Kyoukai – the Garden of Sinners
Kara no Kyoukai novel (in Japanese)
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/%E5%A5%88%E9%A0%88%E3%81%8D%E3%81%AE%E3%81%93_%E7%A9%BA%E3%81%AE%E5%A2%83%E7%95%8C/index.html
English translations by cokesakto
https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
Kara no Kyoukai Anime Movies
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
MELTY BLOOD PC Collection (updated 2018-05-30)
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate
Fate stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2725572
Fate hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate Zero
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5943-Lord-El-Melloi-II-Case-Files?p=3041785&viewfull=1#post3041785
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/fQFiyY4I#UcZr7N0u3_35994pXKP8qw

>Mahou Tsukai no Yoru - Witch on the Holy Night
VN: https://mega.nz/#F!YVkkhAjQ!Ggu2BS3MDfaofporByJsFw
English Patch: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nUY3G5Z8tgBnfvELhbLiYhmLolDI2TwC/
French Patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

Other works
>Angel Voice (A doujin anthology that contains the short novel "Notes." written by Nasu, and the Manga "clowick canaan-vail" drawn by Takeuchi.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Fate Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Fate Extra
https://cdromance.com/psp/fate-extra-mod/
>Fate Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
https://mega.nz/#!aAsCybqb!WwnKiMn_HK9HqvA_myhLn5GM0yeAv8TTxyQsWWpqaGs
>Fate strange Fake
https://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read
>Fate type Redline
https://mangadex.org/title/44059/fate-type-redline
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade manga
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/lli17cum6jzg7/Marmalade
>Tsuki no Sango
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
>Tsuki no Sango Manga
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1

Other links
>Beast's Lair
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ
>Fate/complete material II Character material.
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d
>Fate Art Books
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nmo3TqWLRgvl9M7MxzuWKDe3rAP1LVut?
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Type-Moon Comic Ace
https://web-ace.jp/tmca/
>TMdict
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc)
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime Archives
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>TYPE-MOON 10th Anniversary Phantasm translation
http://heavens-feel.com/type-moon_10_anniversary_phantasm_translation.html

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>>34034515
Tell me which were please. I remember there being Vivaldi, Liszt, Satie and Tchaikovsky. I don't remember which song specifically but I feel more was taken.

>>34034751
>>34034961
Thematically they fit Mahoyo pretty well so I wouldn't say it was an artistically bad thing to be done.

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Best girls

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Be straight with me /jp/ which route of any Type-moon game has the best H scene? You can choose only one, but if you can't choose feel free to list them

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>>34038295
Use vgmdb.

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>>34038330

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>>34038382
Rin breaking the AC in Hollow.

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>>34038382
If we're being strict about "route" and not counting fandisc stuff, then Saber+Rin threeway in Fate gets my pick. Otherwise, Flower of Thantos (both maids) in KT.

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>>34038295
Seems like I lied. I swear it was in the CD booklet, but checking again it's not mentioned in there.

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>>34038382
Rider/Sakura F/HA > Rin F/HA > Saber solo scene F/SN > Saber F/HA > Saber/Rin F/SN > First Sakura scene F/SN > Second Sakura scene F/SN > Third Sakura scene F/SN > Sakura F/HA
The only hot scene I can remember from Tsukihime is that one dream scene where Akiha watches Kohaku giving Shiki a blowjob.

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>>34038390
>>34038471
Thanks anons, vgmdb turned out to be quite useful. A russian folk song is the only thing I didn't know was used that I saw listed there, it isn't what I thought wasn't original. Turns out Fukasawa just managed to compose something that sounded familiar and classic to me, props to him and that harpsicord he used.

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Sudou is a faggot

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b-based?

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>>34038733
Arihiko is a good bro. I hope he gets a little more time in the remake.

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>>34038287
Aoko on the rise.

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>>34038266
Is the MaHoYo translation finished yet? Yes, I still can't read japanese.

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>>34038814
Not yet.
Patience, plenty of stuff to do in the meantime.

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>>34038836
Yes, like waiting for the Tsukihime remake:^)

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>>34038814

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>>34038814
It's available in spaghetti now. Poor anglos.

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Finishing up my replay of Arc's route, but I have a question. Why did Hisui walk oot to the clearing where SHIKI's inversion happened and seemingly vanish for the whole day?

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>>34038295
hey, if you have nothing better to do, give this composition a try, i think you'll find it familiar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpOtuoHL45Y&list=RDKpOtuoHL45Y&start_radio=1

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>>34038814
I still can't believe the state of the English visual novel fan translation scene is so bad that this became an option and the ONLY option. I actually fear for something similar happening with the Tsukihime remake if it never gets localized.

The only good thing is that it's not listed in the VNTLS thread since that person has integrity to not list something like that as a translation and that serves as a good gatekeeping function. Still won't stop retards reading it though.

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>>34039017
When you have a choice between reading something with a meh translation and not reading something at all, the choice is kind of obvious.

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>>34039017
I'm looking forward to the screenshots if it ever comes out.

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>>34038992
Maybe she was going to the old building for maintenance. Akiha does mention that everything there is actually up and running, it's not abandoned.

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>>34039130
But when Akiha questions her on it, she refuses to give a straight answer.

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>>34039108
No integrity among fools but I understand the sentiment for people that will go for it. But it's just a shame we got to that point.

>>34039119
Do we even have VN translation critics anymore? I think if the editing was competent, there is less likelihood for criticism to open up on that front. The real meat is going to point out why the translation is wrong and I don't necessarily know if we'll have people doing that hard work.

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>>34039017
The same trannies (proven some threads ago) that CAN'T translate Mahoyo already said they were gonna be the ones translating TsukihimeR.
I'd recommend EOPs TMfans to just learn japanese.

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>>34039211
>The same trannies
weren't those guys translating from french?

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>>34039205
She was just completely flustered. She was taking a casual stroll to Akiha's incest shed, and that somehow ended with Shiki on his deathbed. Anyone would be speechless in this situation.

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>>34039261
Yes, they are MTLing a french MTL.
Don't know how they plan to translate from jap.

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>>34039294
>Akiha's incest shed
hilarious

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>>34039322
The French was MTL? That is news to me. What about the Italian or Russian patches? I have no doubts the Chinese and Korean patches are fine since Asia still has a really big fan community around doing fan translations but that means things look pretty bad in the Western translation scene.

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>>34039368
>What about the Italian or Russian patches
Translated from the English version, and naturally incomplete.

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>>34039210
Well nobody is going to go through it with a fine tooth comb, but I'm willing to bet there will be random errors all over the place.

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>>34039368
I thought Chinks did MTL a lot too. Don't know about Mahoyo specifically though.

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To those of you who know Moonspeak, how long would you say it took before you could competently read Nasu's VNs?

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>>34039468
It's not a question of when, it's the question of your patience. You won't be able to read fluent Japanese until you sink around 5 years into reading Japanese. But it's not like Japanese is some magical incantation that reveals itself to you after years of meditation, if you have a dictionary and a decent head on your shoulders, you can figure anything out given enough time.
So you can read Japanese right now, but it's gonna be a bumpy ride to fluency.

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>>34039468
I struggled through all the KnK novels before I reread any of the VNs. I should really reread KnK one day. That was rough.

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>>34039537
>it's not like Japanese is some magical incantation that reveals itself to you after years of meditation
I don't know about your level of fluency in languages, but i did have such a moment, both when mastering my first language and when i mastered my second one.
I think the best way to tell your level of mastery is by composing poetry or straight up writing books, stories long and short.
And at some point you will find that writing in prose is much more appealing both to write and to read afterwards. Once you can do that somewhat regularly i'd say you've hit the top

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>>34038330
yes

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>>34039456
Not really, it's not like they don't do quality work there with this sort of thing. There is no way that they would've been able to have an enthusiast community larger than the West without quality translation of the works. Especially with Type-Moon works, there is no way that Fate Grand Order going to China after Japan would've succeeded without that. And as far as translation quality goes, from what I have read, they never had the whole "Noble Phantasm" -> "宝具" mistranslated for them so in some sense, their translation may have been higher quality than ours.

The thing that convinces me personally though is the timing between their partial and complete patches take multiple years. It's a situation where you can't really say it's MTL because if it was, it wouldn't take that long and would only take a year or two max to cobble something together. But the only reason they can achieve that kind of speed of 3 years translating is because they usually can source and coordinate multiple translators and few editors to keep the quality high supposedly while most English VN translations are usually one or two man shows.

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>>34039017
VNTLS thread?

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>>34038945
What the fuck happened? We used to rule the world, once America becomes goblina central it'll be over for us.

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>>34039537
If I can read hiragana and understand some basic words can I just crack open a dictionary and a kanji bible and start reading?

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>>34034008
Thanks

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>>34039975
Well you'll probably struggle with grammar a bit but yeah get cracking.

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>>34039874
See >>33959113. It's up every week and the same guy has been doing this for years.

>>34039938
To give you a sense of how bad the scene has been, See a post of VNTLS in 2011 a decade ago around the same time.

>>/jp/thread/S7148609

The fan translations took 3 posts to list them all back then. Nowadays, the post I linked, he fits all of them in 1/3 of 1 post. It's quite sad.

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How English the most global language not getting first dibs on translation? It makes no sense. There's probably more Japanese-English bilinguals than any other japanese-whatever language too.

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>>34039601
Sure, but you don't need to be a writer to read VNs, so that's a different story.
When I was first learning English back in high school, I never had an epiphany or anything like that, I just used the language in my daily life because it was fun, and it became easier and easier as time went on. You start picking up cool words at first, then you move on to cool phrases, and that's when your "inner voice" is formed. To me, fluency is reached when you make the language your own; when you're not just forming sentences to explain yourself, but you can confidently play around with your language a bit. Poetry is good, but perhaps humor is a better litmus test for language fluency.
>>34039975
Yup, go for it. Just preorder that fucking Tsukihime remake, and when it arrives, dive right in. It will be too deep of course, but at least you will be looking at Arc's smiling face as you drown in kanji. Oh, the things we do for love.
And until then, pick up something less daunting, just for practice. Also, visit https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html just so you're fully equppied with stuff like Anki, it will be useful.

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>>34040260
Because there are not necessarily more bilingual autists willing to translate these things.

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>>34040260
Translating sucks and is no fun.

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>>34040260
Because we shit on our translators. It's not much of an encouragement knowing you'll spend precious time you could be using reading something new and untranslated only for it to be shat on. Looking at other languages people tend to be way more supportive and thankful. Also this >>34040382

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>>34040260
English still does have prominence, on shorter projects like manga or LN translations where the fans tolerate being behind the RAWs and the workload and payoff is short and sweet enough for the translators to tackle it. Plus, prior sentiments about grey area work has been blown away and people do the donations/Patreon type thing much more to sustain efforts.

However, VN translations are basically passion projects that take over several years or more to release, because it requires a coordinated team of people to tackle it. You need a guy who can hack the VN and be able to make sure all the technical stuff is handled, you may need image retouchers to translate things, and then you need the translators and editors who have to tackle the mountain of text that the VN provides. It requires long term planning and sacrifices to get the big payoff without any modern conveniences in order to get it over the finish line and unfortunately, the older folks who had this passion have all died out one way or another and stopped and the new generation of people who would do this work never materialized. Many people just deem it not worth it.

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This is the only route in Tsuki:R
This is the only heroine in the entire game
How do you react?

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>>34040622
*you may need image retouchers to translate things in pictures

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>>34040627
>Hunting vampires with arihiko
I am actually perfectly fine with this. It felt like he didn't do much in the original vn.

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>>34040627
Kamige

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How come no company has picked up the remake for localization then? Surely the next big VN from Type Moon would be something that many would be eager to get a hold on?

Why not start a kickstarter campaign to fund it if it's too expensive? Worked for Muv-Luv.

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>>34041015
I'm going to assume that Type-Moon licenses are expensive as fuck.

>Why not start a kickstarter campaign
Yeah that probably would work though.

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>>34041015
>Why not start a kickstarter campaign to fund it if it's too expensive? Worked for Muv-Luv.
That's actually a pretty great idea. We should spam Sekai Project

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Just watched the whole HF movie trilogy. Man it's really been a while since I was hyped for the announcement.
I think they were ok, I knew the VN was always going to be better since you can't add Shirou's inner monologues to a movie but man it really hurts the last movie. NLBW was completely butchered as well as the last Kirei fight, Nasu's pinnacle. We didn't even get a "I like Kotomine Kirei".
Still, I'm happy they were made. It revived my love for HF (not only for good reasons) and probably did it for more people.
I wonder if we'll get more Fate animated in the future.

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>>34041015
I hope potential translators read your post

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>>34041192
Surely someone has thought of that before. Maybe Nasu really is racist and doesn't want baka gaijin sullying his work. To be fair, some of the translations out there really do sully the original work.

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>>34040627
Arihiko is super cool and reminds me a lot of Kuwabara from YYH so I wouldn't mind.

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>>34041015

>Why not start a kickstarter campaign to fund it if it's too expensive? Worked for Muv-Luv.


HAHA bruh that's why FGO exist so they can get them millions of dollars. Maybe if it was in the billions for FGO global, maybe TM would care for their VNs to be translated but I still doubt it.

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>>34041015
You have to remember that Nasu is the guy who pushed for the remake to be a console exclusive so that you can get the "cinematic experience" for a fucking VN on a big TV. He probably unironically thinks that a translation will sully it.

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>>34041593
He's right.

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>>34041593
>He probably unironically thinks that a translation will sully it
is he wrong though

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>>34038266
aoko sex

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>>34041015
Are we really still talking about that piece of shit remake? I don't want to see neo-takeuchi art in Tsukhime regardless, but the skirt is unforgivable. I don't care what he adds, I'm not going to read it out of respect for the original.

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https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/videogames

I would've thought that Tsukihime would've stayed on top longer but it seemed to have dropped off a bit. Also surprised people are taking Nasu seriously about the big screen thing and buying the PS4 version over the Switch version. Is Amazon's preorder bonus not as enticing as other places?

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>>34042376
Big screen autism also applies to the Switch since it can go on TVs while docked. I'm waiting to see what sort of censorship it'll have.

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>>34042397
I mean, yes, but I think most people understand the resolution difference between what the Switch can natively output to what the PS4 can do on a TV. Also not expecting any censorship with a Type-Moon all ages visual novel, any sexual scene will most likely not be enticing enough to get any censors out and knowing Type-Moon, they would probably self-censor before releasing something that could be censored.

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>>34039975
Mahoyo is chuuni and non-voiced so start with easier titles then work your way up

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>>34042376
>Is Amazon's preorder bonus not as enticing as other places?
Aniplex has some kind of book, many others have some lesser physical goods, of course Amazon's phone wallpaper isn't enticing.

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>>34042542
I expect there to be enough enthusiasts who will buy from everywhere but that answers my question, thanks. Hopefully the artbook is not limited edition but I heard that kind of stuff is more or less an issue with proxy mailing services, right? I'm a dirty EOP who's not really a hardcore enough fan or have enough income for this kind of stuff so not sure how that all works but would like to hear experiences regarding this.

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>>34042071
>>34042123

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I'm very fond of Takeuchi's old style

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seriously worried about shirou's pee pee here, bros

will he ever be able to satisfy sakura? or getting rid of the worms made her less horny?

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>>34043788
Is this a retcon or something? In the original novel, Shirou's new body was completely human-like. We even see him naked in FHA, which is a sequel, and he doesn't have any doll joints.

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>>34043788
Read the VN or at least read or watch kara no kyoukai.
Her puppets don't have any flaws.

>>34043850
It's before they put his soul inside.

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>>34043784
His old artstyle had a ton of range. Maybe it's because we haven't actually seen him draw expressions outside of FGO for years (and they're very limited in FGO) but I can't imagine his new art looking as expressive as it did in Tsukihime and Fate/stay night.

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>>34043850
i assumed it's a basic state of the doll, which still requires some work and soul

>>34043859
>watch kara no kyoukai

i really should, was going to few months ago, but began rewatching fate zero and UBW instead baka

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>>34044079
> and soul
Well, it's drawn by nu-Takeuchi, so no luck there, unfortunately.

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>>34040627
Ngl I also wish Arihiko has more role in the remake, his redesign actually looks decent and KT reveals is story is actually interesting.

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>>34044200
>ears not pierced
Huh.

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>>34044212
Yeah that's too bad for the piercings, but I still think the change is an improvement, I don't know how to put it but contrary to Arc, Shiki or Ciel, this redesign feels right.

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>>34044307
It's better because it doesn't try to reinvent the wheel, it's just an update of an old design (which is what all other redesigns should've been).

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>>34041145
Did the DBZ fights bother you as much as they did me? Made everything Shirou did feel really underwhelming, including NLBW. I feel like they really should have kept things more grounded, I could barely tell what the fuck was happening in fights at some points with all the bright colours and visual effects.

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>>34038266
I used to do the guitar pick in mouth but I was always worried I'd cough or sneeze and choke to death.

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>>34041593
What about Fate/Extra (sure the translation was iffy but it was something)

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>>34045230
Come to think of it, none of the fights in FSN felt really 'out there' besides Saber Vs Rider on the roof.
Saber VS Rider in the movie has Rider jumping around the originally small cave, Saber's repeated Excali-blasts even though she didn't use Excalibur because the cave would collapse.

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>>34040260
>There's probably more Japanese-English bilinguals than any other japanese-whatever language too.
Sure. But JP-ENG and also a fan of anime? I daresay you're easily outnumbered by Chinese/Koreans and maybe French as well.

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>>34045338
Every single TM product hat got an offical translation has had some other company (other than the translation company itself) involved that handled everything. Everything that is 100% Type-moon with nobody else involved remains untranslated.

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>>34045342
When DID the powercreep start, actually? Servants were always described as superhuman but they really didn't do anything too crazy for a long while. Now we reached a point where an adaption of the VN has to absolutely fucking crazy everytime a servant fight happens.

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>>34045423
Fate/Extra. That game was intended to be action-oriented a bit more "out there" than the original urban fantasy stories, with its sci-fi setting and all. So everything was bigger and more ridiculous, and the final battle has you fighting a goddamn Buddha.

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>>34045369
If we're talking basic fluency, French are outnumbered because everybody speaks english nowadays, including most of the French.
But since people usually translate to their mother tongues, this reduces the international language status of english, and since the French are very fond of Japan media they could outnumber the anglo-american ones.

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>>34045668
If it was supposed to start at extra I didn't notice because the combat was so fucking shit and a turn based RPG.

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>>34045733
Extra planted the seeds. CCC then expanded upon that foundation (that's where we started getting really silly world-shattering NPs like Cursed Cutting Crater and Heaven's Hole), and FGO, being a huge melting pot of everything Nasuverse-related, started raising the stakes from there, peaking with you fighting Greek gods in giant robots and erasing entire worlds.

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>>34042376
Huh why is the ps4 version selling so well. I thought nips fucking loved switch.

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>>34046006
Because Nasu told everyone to play on the big screen.

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>>34046081
But you can just dock a switch?

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>>34045423
In terms of raw destructive power, you could argue that it started with Gilgamesh. But he uses Ea like three times the entire novel, and most of the time it gets countered by Saber.
Meanwhile Ufotable gives us the Saber vs Berserker fight in HF2, whiich cmpletely breaks the masquerade.

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>>34046092
But Switch is a portable thing, so playing on the PS4 would feel more "right". And Switch might also have some performance issues depending on how ambitious Takeuchi's slideshows are going to be now. I'm also planning on picking up the PS4 version, even though I own both consoles.

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>>34046255
Everyone and their mother docks switch to play smash or some shit. Nothing unsual about it.

>performance issues
It's a 2D visual novel. Sure there will be nice animations but that's nothing intensive.

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>>34046397
Shit coders can ruin anything. Latest muv luv release for example runs like shit for many people

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>>34039017
>I still can't believe the state of the English visual novel fan translation scene is so bad that this became an option and the ONLY option
The reason why fan translations are scarce today is because the market for VN outside Japan is steadily growing. You no longer need to rely on fan translations to do the job and instead there are several companies that do exactly just that, as evidenced by >>34040013
Many big and complex VN that were thought of as untranslatable like Subahibi, Baldr Sky or Rance X are now translated/being translated thanks to them and you can even see cases of english translations on lauch like with Ciconia. Unfortunately this also means that fan translations are less likely to appear since there's no point in doing so when there's a chance that some company might pick it up. There's also the prospect of money, why would you fan translate something for free when you could work for a company and get paid for doing so? There really isn't much room for fan translations to exist in this day and age except for the rare cases like Mahoyo where Type Moon clearly isn't interested in translating them. You could also apply all of this to anime with fan subbing too.

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>>34046421
Age's engine was already infamous for causing problems though. Kiminozo commonly crashed for people back in the day. Kirikiri is fine though.

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>>34046477
>Age's engine was already infamous for causing problems though.
except this isn't the old engine, it's the new one they went out of their way to hire a different company to code. I agree that Kirikiri is both ancient and solid but there's always the chance of fuckups.

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>>34046444
>There's also the prospect of money, why would you fan translate something for free when you could work for a company and get paid for doing so?
Something like Patreon could help. I agree that fan translations are not as necessary now, but unfortunately, as TMfags we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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>>34046516
Wait what? Age changed engines? What the fuck?

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>>34046444
>when you could work for a company and get paid

yeah, a company like crunchyroll and irodori

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>>34046546
They got the company that ported F/SN to mobile devices to make a new one to make development and in-company translations easier. Very basic and lacking pretty much every feature the old one had, 0 options for muting different characters or font options. On release you had to change OS language to get the ingame text language to change. Then they fired the translator of the next TL they were working on and threw his script away

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>>34046779
What was the name of the recent thing they released? I don't seem to see it on their website.

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>>34046823
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1407100/TDA00_MuvLuv_Unlimited_THE_DAY_AFTER__Episode_00/

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>>34046843
Oh I see, this is an old game that got an English release way later. Hmm, weird that they changed engines for EOPs but IIRC, AGES was never actually cracked so maybe it makes sense. I have no idea how the english t/l's worked but it was probably some massive hack. Too bad they did a shitty job apparently.

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same energy

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>>34046880
They had a mobilegame planned with that new engine so it made sense, that game is still releasing but they cancelled the phone support a week ago because they couldn't come up with a control scheme that works. Just mad decision making all around

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>>34042530
>Mahoyo is chuuni and non-voiced
Is that supposed top be a bad thing? I always turn off voices in VNs anyway.

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>>34047039
>I always turn off voices in VNs anyway.
wtf voice acting is one of the main appeals of the medium

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>>34043784
I personally can't stand anything after OG F/SN. I'm surprised at how much people shit on his old style when at worst it's just simplistic.

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>>34047039
To each their own. I usually disable the protagonist's VO if he has one, for deeper immersion.

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>>34047052
I can see you're new to this genre.

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>>34044212
They've since given him his piercings back. The image you replied to is over 5 years old.

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>>34047052
Is it? A lot of VNs are unvoiced. Personally, I I can't read something while someone else is talking over it, and I prefer the way the characters sound in my head. It doesn't seem natural to read something while it's being read aloud, and as for anime your brain doesn't absorb subtitles the same way you read paragraphs in a book.

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>>34047088
Nice to know.

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>>34047086
A lot of the most popular VNs are voiced. I would argue that it's becoming the gold standard.

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>>34047039
No, he meant that non-chuuni voiced VNs are easier for a beginner in Japanese.

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>>34043784
me too

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>>34047086
Anon, playing eroge is like my favorite hobby. Do you think companies spend a shitload of voice acting for fun or something? I wouldn't disable anyone's voice unless the seiyuu was fucking shit or something. I understand disabling the protagonist's voice if he has one though. It doesn't bother me but some people roll that way.

>>34047104
>>34047112
What year do you guys live in? Voice acting has been standard since like the 2000s. Not necessarily fully voiced, but heroines are almost always voiced.

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>>34047112
>A lot of the most popular VNs are voiced
Except, you know, every fucking novel Type-Moon released so far other than Realta Nua.
>I would argue that it's becoming the gold standard
It won't ever be a norm in doujinshi circles, for obvious reasons. And a lot of great stuff usually comes from them. So getting used to voiced VNs is not a good idea, unless you only intend on playing modern mainstream stuff.

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>>34047061
I actually like Takeuchi's new style, but Tsuki's art is on point for me. Though I'm not very fond of his art is F/SN. Weird.
>>34047088
boobies

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>>34047133
>What year do you guys live in?
The one where I still mostly read/watch media from about 15-20 years ago. I don't think I'll ever turn the voices on in a VN, it's just fucks up my own pace of reading. I'm not going to wait for some voice actor to finish while I reading a line and since I do recognize a tiny amount of Japanese, or at least the sentence structure, I know when I'm reading too fast. So I just turn it off so I can go at my own pace.

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>>34047233
Well you do you I suppose.

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>>34047303
Yeah, I will do me. Who else do you think I would listen to? It's hard for me to see voice-acting as a "main-appeal" when most of it was unvoiced until very recently.

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>>34047367
If by very recently you mean almost 20 years, then sure.

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>>34047367
>until very recently
The 2000s isn't recent anon.

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>>34047391
A lot of VNs started doing voice acting in, like, the late 2000s. When you consider that the history of this genre goes all the way back to the late 70s - it's pretty damn recent.

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>>34047367
Do you have autism or are you trolling? Why are you acting like you won an argument when the discussion was literally about how voiced shit is easier to read for people new to japanese and you just come in here talking about something entirely different. And voice acting in VNs isn't a recent thing you know, the sega seturn version of YU-NO was voiced in 1997.

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sub heroines

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>>34047391
>>34047392
It was still majority unvoiced until around 2010 or so. I won't read anything or watch made after 2015 so that does make it "recent" for the time-frame I'm using.

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>>34047133
>eroge

voice acting in eroge is a different thing, it's a part of sexual appeal in characters, but listening to japanese speech while trying to understand the plot is another thing. in case of FSN it's just partly an eroge, it has explicit sex scenes which would have been mild and nothing would change. surely can't be compared to something like starless or taimanin

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>>34047427
>It was still majority unvoiced until around 2010 or so.
It absolutely fucking wasn't. stop lying.

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>>34047424
>Why are you acting like you won an argument
What argument? I said what I was going to do on my own time and someone started bitching about it.

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>>34047420
>When you consider that the history of this genre goes all the way back to the late 70s
What? This medium goes back to the 90s obviously.

>>34047427
>It was still majority unvoiced until around 2010 or so
No it fucking wasn't.

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>>34047434
F/SN isn't "partly an eroge". It is one. All-ages stuff is voiced anyway so moot point.

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>>34047437
>>34047447
Maybe you're just misunderstanding the meaning of the word majority. You're getting really volatile for no reason here, you need to calm down. I would bet good money that more than 50% of all VNs were unvoiced before 2010.

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>>34047447
>What? This medium goes back to the 90s obviously.
Visual novels are a subgenre of adventure games, with no real clear distinction between the two. Japan has been doing these kinds of games for a long, long time.

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>>34047488
>I would bet good money that more than 50% of all VNs were unvoiced before 2010.
You'd be a fucking retard to do so but everyone can already tell you are considering you derailed a thread because you couldn't read the context of the conversation that was happening

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>>34047528
I didn't derail anything, I just said I don't read VNs with voices on and some other anon lost his shit.

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>>34047517
>posts game from 1989

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>>34047488
>You're getting really volatile for no reason here
Is this some really weird projection or something? We're allowed to argue on the internet.

>I would bet good money that more than 50% of all VNs were unvoiced before 2010.
Kind of a weird goalpost move. The discussion was about voice acting becoming the norm in the 2000-2010 decade not some random statistic.

>>34047517
If you want to be really autistic, you could say 80s I guess and include TV games or whatever they called them. Most of the elements that compose the VN genre originated in the 90s however.

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>>34047367
>until very recently
I don't know man, most 2000s VNs I play are voiced, not all of them, but most of the famous ones are.

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>>34047539
>anon makes a post
>lost his shit
Right...

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Videogames should not have voice acting, Pong didn't have it so other games don't need it either.

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>>34047564
>Kind of a weird goalpost move.
It's not a goalpost move, I said that the majority of VNs up until 2010 were unvoiced, and my point wasn't to say that no or only a few VNs were voiced, but that voice-acting wasn't necessarily a core element. Common to be sure, but not something that I would say is an integral feature of VNs. I guess I should have clarified that in my original post.

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VA is like one of the main appeal of VNs for me. If I just wanted something silent I would read regular novels.

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>>34047571
A good chunk of VNs released in the 2000s that were originally unvoiced got re-released a few years later with voices as well (like F/SN). Why? Because that became the industry standard and that's what most customers wanted.

>>34047613
It's been a core element and integral feature for nearly 20 years now.

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I'm perfectly fine with VNs not having voice acting, I've played several without them and not having it doesn't mean they can't be good, though I would say that on average I enjoy voiced VNs more than unvoiced ones, and I certainly prefer the voiced version of Fate.

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>>34047461
>F/SN isn't "partly an eroge". It is one

it's not. you're not sitting with your dick out for 99% of the time reading it

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>>34047657
Eroge does not mean "sitting with your dick out". That's called a nukige which is a specific subset/subgenre.

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>>34047657
Anon don't confuse eroge with nukige

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>>34047642
I wouldn't count voice-acting as something integral to VNs when so many were made without it. It's common now to be sure, but it's not a requirement for a game to be VN to have voice-acting, so I wouldn't think of it that way. I'm still not sure what you're trying to argue or why. Yeah, some VNs, many modern ones I guess, have voice-acting. Others don't. So I don't see it as a necessary element. Am I supposed to not think that? It's just true.

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>>34047642
Tsukihime is a pretty prolific VN and it doesn't have any voice-acting. What do you think about that? Are you one of those people who won't read until the remake comes out? What about Umineko, did you not read that until they came out with a voice patch?

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>>34047778
>What about Umineko, did you not read that until they came out with a voice patch?
Not him but I waited until the PS3 port was finished since I heard that was the best version.

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>>34047778
>Tsukihime
It's literally a doujin game from 2000 you tard. I've read games without voices obviously (including Tsukihime), but most stuff in this medium has voices unless you specifically only read like 90s-era games.

>>34047730
Why is this so hard to understand? The industry changes and times change (well they changed like 20 years ago). In the 2000s, companies started including voice acting in their games. Doing this was commercially lucrative and everyone else started doing it to the point where it became the norm. That is why Nasu's decision to do no voices for Mahoyo was actually extremely unusual. Do you have to have voices to literally be a VN? No obviously not, but the market has expected heroines to be voiced for a very, very long time now so good luck if you break the rules on that (assuming a proper company of course and not some doujin release).

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Voice acting in VNs is great when you're learning japanese because it tells you how the phrase is supposed to be read.

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>>34047921
I'm currently N4 my aim is to get to N3 or N2 by Bluemoon

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>>34047860
It's not hard to understand, but I don't even know what point your trying to make. That a lot of VNs have voice-acting? Yes, I'm aware of that, what of it? I just said I prefer to read without voices, am I supposed to change my mind? Are you expecting me to start changing my ways and reading with voices or something? This feels like one of those really retarded discussions because I don't know what the point is. Yes, VNs can be voiced and it's considered an important quality when selling a product. That is a fact. Many VNs before the 2000s did not have voice acting, this is also a fact. So, what are we trying to say? What do you want me to say? That I'm going to read with voices on? I won't, so there you have it. It's just that my initial experience with VNs was mostly unvoiced ones, so in my "formative" experience it was not something I got used to. That's just the way it is, and I don't know why you're treating this conversation like an argument at all. There's nothing to argue here, we're literally arguing nothing. You're just repeating yourself about something I already said.

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>>34048220
>Many VNs before the 2000s
I should say, all before the 2000s, I meant many before the mid-2000s.

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>>34048220
>I don't even know what point your trying to make
That voice acting is an integral and core part of the medium and has been for decades. I don't care about your retarded preferences.

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>>34048303
Okay? I'm still not going to read them with voices on. It's not essential to me and frankly the fact that many VNs don't have it means I'm right.

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I still don't get why Akiha was so adamant about keeping SHIKI a secret from Shiki. Just fucking tell him that there was this third kid and he attacked you, so the old man locked him up and then mindfucked you to forget about it. Half of the drama in Far-Side routes would not have happened if Akiha was just up-front about something that shouldn't such a dark fucking secret, especially when Shiki starts to suffer from those nightmares.

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>>34048581
Akiha is a retard and a bitch, it's no surprise. She deserved what she got in the Kohaku bad end.

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>>34048543
>the fact that many VNs don't have it
Not within the past ~20 years or so.

>means I'm right
I don't know why you have this bizarre insistence on justifying your preference. It's fine to be an outlier. Just don't pretend that the industry doesn't massively cater to people that like voice acting buy spending shitloads of money on it.

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melty...

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Was this the earliest King Arthur reference we got from Nasu, I wonder.

[Anonymous No.]

>Wake up
>Remember I'll never be able to read the Tsukihime Remake because I don't want to buy consoles
>Day is ruined
Every single day

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>>34048970
There are Switch emulators.

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>>34048970
Just use Yuzu.

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>>34048637
I don't know why you have this bizarre insistence on justifying yours. The fact that VNs without voice acting exist, and that it was common as well, mean that a VN doesn't necessarily need voice acting. That's all I'm saying. If you're going to say "it doesn't count because it was a decade and a half ago" then you're just being willfully retarded for no reason other than to keep telling me things I could read on wikipedia for ???? reasons. Basically what I'm saying is this: I don't care much for most shit made after 2005 or so. When I talk about anime, manga, visuals novels, or anything else, I'm talking about the mid 2000s or earlier because that's the time frame I know about. From my perspective, the VNs I will be reading are majority not voice-acted. So the idea that voice-acting would be a necessary part is just ridiculous to me. I'm not saying that voice-acting is bad, and denying that it is a major element of modern VNs would be denying reality. But I've never cared much for modern VNs and I don't really care what people buy or what Japanese otaku do in 2021. in general 2012 is the last year I acknowledge and when I think about things, I'm probably going to use my reference point as being some time around 2000-2005.

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>>34048970
just buy a console

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>>34048970
people used to play mgs4 on youtube, reading a vn on youtube is surely less painful experience

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>can read japanese
>will never play tsuki remake because poorfag third worlder
there's always youtube i guess

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>>34048997
>I'm probably going to use my reference point as being some time around 2000-2005.
Extremely retarded cutoff but the best stuff from that time period is mostly voiced (even if it was technically later on a re-release).

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>>34049087
Nice blog, do you have an email list?

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>>34049159
fuck off

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>>34048581
She was afraid of Shiki leaving her after the truth was revealed which made sense from her view. Shiki real family was basically massacred by the Tohno and he was kidnapped. Basically she is a fragile girl too afraid of being abandoned by her brother who she was finally reunited with after.

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>>34049087
Pirate and emulate? Or is your computer really too bad to emulate.

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>>34049147
>the best stuff from that time period is mostly voiced
I disagree
>(even if it was technically later on a re-release).
In that case I don't even count it. If it wasn't even in the original it's not something I consider in the first place.

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>>34049166
Only when you stop blogposting

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>>34038382
>>34043784
Old >>>>>>>> New

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>>34049399
I'm glad they got rid of the tattoos, I always thought they were fucking awful

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>>34049430
You're fucking gay

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>>34049430
Remake Heavy Weapon

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>>34049062
It's absolutely soulless experience though.

[Anonymous No.]

Aoko who? This is my sensei now.

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>>34048970
It's what finally pushed me over to buying a Switch. I'll probably pick it sometime around summer so I can finish three houses, before that

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>>34048970
Just use an emulator

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>>34049523
soulless is making console exclusive games, especially vns

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>>34049699
cope

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>>34049713
dilate

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>>34049699
Really weird decision on their part as well. What's the point of excluding XBOX or PC? Do they have some anti-Microsoft bias, or? Cuz' its obviously not an exclusive deal.

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I mean, Ever17 also got a console only release, and then a few months later got a PC release, I'd assume the remake will do something like that too.

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>>34049831
what part in the phrase 'console exclusive' you didn't understand?

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Now, this is the kind of shit Nasu should purge from the remake completely. It's extremely frustrating. This is the Far-Side route, the player finished the game at least once before (because you can't get to Far-Side otherwise), he knows about SHIKI and Shiki, and yet Nasu decides to play yet another MISUNDERSTANDINGS card and now Shiki is acting like a retard, locking himself up in a room, thinking that they'll gonna kill his ass.
Just like Shirou in HF, Shiki in Far-Side suddenly got really really dumb. And that's not a good idea when he's supposed to be the player's avatar.

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>>34049430
Just leave

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>>34049430
Quiet. I don't even like tats but they were cool on her.

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>>34049546
How can you look at this artstyle and not laugh? Her face is a slightly sloped triangle, what the fuck takeuchi.
>>34050433
I thought Far-Side Shiki was much better than Near-Side Shiki. It makes for a character to not know what the player learnt through exposition.

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>>34049430
And wait a minute, hang on, I just realized what you fucking said. I've been avoiding anything about the remake so as to not taint my mind, but they REMOVED her fucking TATTOOS????? Not just redesigned but REMOVED???????? WHAT THE FUCK TAKEUCHI????

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>>34050305
It's not Sony exclusive, because its on the Switch. it's not Nintendo exclusive, because its on the PlayStation. There is no special deal there.

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>>34049831
Xbox is excluded because they aren't popular in Japan while PC is excluded because Nasu is a retard.

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>>34050957
They have to make the designs appeal to the average coomer because they are being made for FGO so they removed the less traditional aspects of their designs for mass appeal. Arc's skirt was also a victim of this.

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>>34051291
Sounds incredibly ironic, considering which one of these games was an eroge.

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>>34051532
have you SEEN fgo designs? actual porn gacha games I can find on DMM's frontpage right now have less ridiculous outfits. They even managed to get erect nipples past apple several times somehow

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I had no idea people were attached to Ciel's ugly tattoos out of all things. Cielfags truly are strange people.

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>>34051532
Compare an eroge thread to a gacha thread. Despite one game being an unironic porn game you will find more ecchi and outright porn spammed in the gacha thread.

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>>34051579
>t. Akihafag mad that her hairband is now black instead of white of all things

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>>34051780
Nah, I'm cool with Akiha's new design.

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Speaking about Ciel's tattoos, did Nasu really say that they were painted on? I always assumed they were magic tattoos that she can will into existence whenever she gets ready to go into battle.

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>>34051827
>I always assumed they were magic tattoos that she can will into existence whenever she gets ready to go into battle.
Yeah I always thought that was the case as well.

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>>34051579
They were a cool concept and there's nothing more badass than painting holy seals on your body as a combat technique. I don't even think they look that good but they're an important part of her battle aesthetic. You can't just remove something like that, and say it's a minor aesthetic detail. It's a major change in character design at that point. Whether or not they look "good" isn't relevant.

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>>34051827
>>34049399
How can people prefer modern FGOshit to this kind of character design. I genuinely can't understand.

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>>34051877
>they're an important part of her battle aesthetic
I never thought so. I always thought they looked weird and tacky.

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>>34051827
>did Nasu really say that they were painted on?
I think it was stated in the VN.

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>>34050975
it's a console exclusive, because it's not on pc, dumbass

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>>34051935
Well your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad. Get the fuck out, turn off your computer, and don't come back. Ciel showing up with the stake-gun it isn't even a stake-gun anymore? was one of the best parts of her route.

[Anonymous No.]

Big ask, I know, but I'm a sucker for broken birds finding love. I'm not looking for a full edit; I just wanna know what is being said.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/87359277

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>>34051827
It's written that they're painted on in some TM dictionary thing somewhere.

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>>34051987
On how many levels of braindamage are you? "Console exclusive" is a colloquial terms of salty PC gamers. An actual exclusive is when a studio signs a deal with a distributor to release a game, or certain aspects of it, to their platform. Ghost of Tsushima is available to PlayStation only. Or when the studio and the distributor are one and the same - Mario being exclusive to Nintendo consoles for example.
I am refering to the fact that the game is on multiple consoles, but not on PC or Xbox, as >>34051222 was able to realize by just reading the post.

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>>34052362
dilate

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>>34052362
Why do you guys care this much about semantics
Go back to /v/ if you just want to fling shit at each other

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>>34052362
Please go back to /v/.

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>>34052205
Get this fucking body snatcher FGO bullshit out of here. This shit is an insult to Sakura to have her body being used for this trash.

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>>34052737
I've felt that about a lot of the FGO "possession" shit. Isn't it really insulting to fans of the original characters to have them be possessed like that and dropped into romances with completely different characters?

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>>34051990
>stake-gun
It's called Pile Bunker.

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>>34051907
Plain bad, overdone good.

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>>34051827
Shiki mentions that Ciel's tattoos are painted on in her route. But now that you posted those glowing tats, I don't think we ever had any explanation for them. Maybe a production oversight.

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>>34053109
It's obvious that there wasn't enough budget to do more, so Tsukihime has a lot of unexplained details like this

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>>34039017
>I still can't believe the state of the English visual novel fan translation scene is so bad that this became an option and the ONLY option. I actually fear for something similar happening with the Tsukihime remake if it never gets localized.
I don't understand why are people pretending this is a recent thing with Type Moon in general. Type Moon stuff has NEVER, not once, in it's entire 23 years of existence, gotten a good English translation of anything. EVER. Not a one. And a timely one? FGO is the closest and that's 2 years behind.
It's fucking crazy when you think about it.
Type Moon supposedly has this huge-ass and super autistic about the smallest details and muh lore and muh plot fanbase in the West and yet for fucking anything to get translated is an odyssey. You'd think at least two or three js06-tier autists would pop-up but there's not a single one. All the autists we get are nothing but attention and drama whores who are more interested on becoming "icons" of the "community" than anything else.
Meanwhile you go and look at fanbase of literally who mid-size niche franchise composed of 20 people and the second something new gets released they release a 10/10 translation, an actual translation, not a "localization" or any crap like that, in less than a week. Type Moon? LOL.

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>>34053644
CCC was totally the bestest greatest thing Nasu had ever written, his magmum opus, his totally last Fate work for realsies this time (lol) and it's been 8 years now and NOTHING of substance has been done about it yet.
Mahoyo? It was an even greater the bestest best super duper coolest magnumest opusest thing Nasu ever wrote. 9 years and counting. It has even less than CCC because at least CCC has Gil's route "translated" on Youtube.
Fate Stay Night? Translated by an EOP, God bless his heart considering all, but we all know the quality is sub-par to say the least. Remember how we discovered the Einzbern's having Das Rheingold was not a FGO retcon and it was actually mentioned in FSN?
I honestly don't remember much about FHA to whine about it but I only remember it took a fuck-long time to get released, and even then, it only got released because of that guy from Beast Lair who compiled it himself and released it "accidentally" which finally made the Beast Lair faggots in charge of the translation who kept sitting on their asses actually get shit done for the first time on their life. Because that's the other shit about TM translations, you have the typical translation autism of I CLAIMED THIS SO NO ONE ELSE CAN TRANSLATE IT LALALA IT'S MINE.
And last but not least there's how in terms of official translations Type Moon seemingly abhors the idea of translating it's shit. Notice how every single time something TM is handled on the West it's everyone and their mom but TM. It's been 95% Aniplex efforts and no one else.
Type Moon is fucking CURSED in the West. I'd bet my right ball that the first thing Nasu did when he got into Buddhism was to find someone to throw a curse West-side so that filthy gaijins can NEVER enjoy his works properly and accurately. Yes, I know that's a moot point since the only real way to do that is on Japanese but you get the point.

[Anonymous No.]

akiha makes me smile

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>>34052785
I find it to be disgusting, but FGO players have removed the host and just think of the God’s possessing Fate character’s bodies as their own person. It’s still a horrible concept that has already been accepted by most.

[Anonymous No.]

I love Rider

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I think I understand why Far-Side routes are not included in the remake. They're so completely removed from the actual story that it's not even funny.
Routes in FSN were completely different, but they still existed in the same world. Saber, Kirei, Rin, Sakura, Gilgamesh, etc. - all of these characters were always present in the story. But Tsukihime is much weirder in this regard - when you get to Far-Side, pretty much *everything* disappears for one reason or another, other than Akiha and the twins. Arcueid is not there, Nrvnqsr is not there, Roa is not there, Ciel pops up in Akiha's route but that's it, Satsuki gets crammed into the story only to get wiped out 30 seconds later and leave zero impact. The whole game suddenly changes the antagonist, and you spend all of your time in the fucking mansion, dealing with skeletons in everyone's closets. Kohaku's story is also pretty insane because it invalidates every other route for no good reason (because it's not a good fucking ending when you have a ticking time bomb as your maid, more objectively evil than SHIKI himself).
Nasu probably looked at all this stuff and decided to cut it out completely to make sure Tsukihime is a tight story that doesn't erase its own main heroine completely halfway in.

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>>34052785
>Isn't it really insulting to fans of the original characters
It is, but what I find most disgusting is the fags who say I love all Rins, or Sakuras, or Sabers. Apparently having the same body means being the same character to these retards, I can't wrap my head around how anyone can be so shallow.

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>>34054297
You realise far side routes will be released later, right?

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>>34054362
Yes, I know. So it's completely justified for TsukiR to not have them. I honestly wouldn't want them there, it would've fucked the pace of the game royally.

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>>34054362
Let him doompost in peace, faggot.

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>>34054297
I'd personally consider Heaven's Feel to be far different than Fate/UBW as well. The difference there is about the same as the near/far side difference to me. Anyways, the episodic release mostly sucks because it means more waiting and I have to trust Nasu to deliver again (not the best tracker record). I'm okay with it if they do get out the far side installment in a reasonable timeframe.

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>>34054427
Heaven's Feel was different for sure, introducing Zouken and all, but it didn't just ignore Saber for example. And it was just one route too, while Far-Side is three different routes, so by the time you're done with Kohaku's brand of bullshit, Arcueid and Ciel are like a distant goddamn memory, which feels pretty damn wrong.

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>>34049546
Based moron not knowing jack about the remake.

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>>34054527
Saber didn't exist for most of Heaven's Feel though. Plus Gilgamesh wasn't the final boss this time either.

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>>34053644
I really want to bury js06 in money to force him to translate the VN. But his speed comes from his passion and doing it for money is likely to make it worse. Not that he was going to agree in the first place.

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>>34054646
Kirei is the real antagonist of FSN though, and Saber is still important in HF.

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>>34054646
But they were there. Sure, Gil got a pathetic death, but Saber was in the beginning and later existed as Alter, and got a really beautiful death scene. But Arcueid just doesn't fucking exist in Far-Side. It would've probably been much more fun to deal with SHIKI, Kohaku, and everything else with her around, and Ciel too.
Come to think of it, you don't even kill Roa in any of those endings. You slice SHIKI up, but you never hit Roa specifically, which is what you need to do to finish him off. So both Arcueid and Ciel simply continue to suffer endlessly.
What a mess.

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>>34054680
Wait I thought his reincarnation depended on the route? In Far Side, he's SHIKI and in Near Side he's Roa/Tohno(??)
A lot of the plot flew over my head.

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>>34054704
No you're right. Roa isn't as strong in the far side routes. SHIKI is in control.

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>>34054704
Roa simply never takes over SHIKI in the Far-Side routes, which is why he doesn't change his looks. They explain it as "Roa can only take over someone with a mind, but SHIKI loses his mind there".
Still, nothing stops Roa from continuing to reincarnate.

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>>34054680
>So both Arcueid and Ciel simply continue to suffer endlessly.
That's typical for VNs. You have this beautiful route with this heroine, deal with her drama and have a happy ever after in the end. Then you restart the game and she fades into irrelevancy. If the author feels charitable her issues are still dealt somehow. Others would not be so lucky.

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>>34054680
Such is life.
As >>34054763 said, not everyone can have a happy ending.
If we're gonna talk about this let's talk about what the fuck happens to Sakura after Fate and UBW.
And let's not pretend HF's trigger is not iffy as fuck either with it being "lmao the Emiya boy was a little more kinder than usual to the girl time to join the HGW and fuck shit up".

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>>34054837
>what the fuck happens to Sakura after Fate and UBW.
pic related

>And let's not pretend HF's trigger is not iffy as fuck either with it being "lmao the Emiya boy was a little more kinder than usual to the girl time to join the HGW and fuck shit up".
It's less Zouken and more that it triggered Sakura's potential as a grail (whereas in Fate/UBW the experiment fails).

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>>34054297
>I think I understand why Far-Side routes are not included in the remake. They're so completely removed from the actual story that it's not even funny.
I think this is also why they are shooting for a remake, rather than just redoing graphics.

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There's literally a bad ending in HF where you get called a retard for trying to have your cake and eat it too by trying to save Saber.
You can't save everyone sometimes. Not everyone gets a happy ending or a smooth conclusion.

>>34054887
My headcanon is that Zouken goes nuclear during the Dismantling of the Greater Grail and Dark Sakura and stuff happens one way or another. Specially since she's probably been seething for a decade at losing the Shiroubowl.

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My main problem with Fate is that Zouken is such a key figure in the story and he's only mentioned in the final route. Also Shinji needed more bonding time with Shirou to develop his character.
I hope Nasu fixes this in the F/SN remake __:^)___

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>>34054837
HF had the same problem. It's one thing to prioritize one character's happiness for their ending, but the issue is that a huge portion of the story gets ignored. In Tsukihime, Kohaku is still trying to poison Akiha's mind without anyone realizing it, with nothing but murder on her mind, in every route except her own and Hisui's. In FSN, Zouken is still doing whatever the fuck he was trying to do in every route except HF. Both of these are examples of Nasu fucking things up, where routes in one game are so fundamentally opposed to each other that they can't exist in the same universe without causing issues. At least in FSN, HF is a known "true end" of the story, simply meaning that other routes are not canon. but in Tsukihime, none of the endings tie all of the loose ends together.

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>>34054297
Would you really want Far Side to tie in all the stuff about Arc, Ciel and so on? I think it would needlessly dilute the story they're trying to tell.

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>>34054987
>At least in FSN, HF is a known "true end" of the story
Nasu says otherwise

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>>34055016
That's how it was back when the novel was first released. Even the game itself tells you that it's the real ending of Fate/stay night in the last Taiga Dojo.

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>>34054987
HF was intended to be a completely separate game wasn't it?
>>34055016
Thematically it feels like the complete ending to the story, Kirei and Illya's situations are addressed, Shirou's ideals are rewired and the Grail war can never feasibly happen again.
Last Episode just feels like a bonus, nowhere near Tsukihime's Eclipse.

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>>34055006
I sure would. Maybe Shiki will get a reason to get his ass out of bed once or twice in Hisui's route. Four fucking days of staring at the same background, honestly.

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>>34055062
Think this is just a fundamental difference of opinion, those four days where Shiki's mind was collapsing in on itself was the highlight of the whole VN for me along with Hisui's True End. I felt the story of the Tohno family was way more endearing than Arc and Ciel's hunt for Roa.

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>>34054987
>At least in FSN, HF is a known "true end" of the story, simply meaning that other routes are not canon.
No matter how much you continue to repeat that lie sakurafag it will never be true

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>>34054987
I dunno anon. Like the other anon said, it's a common thing in VNs. The problems of other heroines are left unresolved in a lot of cases. You can't make everyone happy. It's just how it is.

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>>34055108
Usually, VNs have the main route that also serves as a canon ending. Arc's ending, for example, could've easily been the one true one, where everyone is fine, but you know that "happily ever after" doesn't happen because as long as Kohaku is there, Akiha will eventually go mad and become a demon, and there's no SHIKI to tell Shiki to try killing himself to save her.

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>>34055178
Sucks for Akiha.
Shiki's too busy being an edgyboy traveling the world with Arc killing vampires and *flashteps you* *cuts your lines* *puts bandages back on* "nothing personnel dead apostle" to worry about the imouto.

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>>34055178
No plenty of things don't have a true route. And even then there's not a rule that the true route resolves literally everything for everyone.

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>>34055213
Arc's true ending has her go back to her castle and sleep forever, dreaming of Shiki. What you're describing is probably a good ending.

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>>34055220
Hell if anything the True Route usually just goes harder on the "main girl".

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>>34055220
Resolving literally everything is not necessary, but not leaving major plot points hanging would've been nice.

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>>34055225
check the manga out, shiki then goes to get her

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>>34055057
Except there isn't a complete ending for the main heroine of the story Saber. That's why the Last Episode is left after you finish up all the routes. Goes to show how significant she Nasu could've unlocked it right after the fate route

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>>34055253
Nasu's approach (at least with the two route-oriented VNs) is that every route tells a vital and important piece of the overall story but there's not one route that solves everything. I'm aware you could argue that HF is the true route for F/SN, but even then that leaves plenty of other stuff unresolved (particularly Saber). I guess maybe you don't like this, but I don't think it's uncommon. Most games I've read are like this. Off the top of my head, Key games are the only thing I've read has a true/final route that actually does fix/solve all the main plot stuff.

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I'm surprised that there's not a fanfic that tries to do all the three routes in one or something of that sort. Sounds like the type of thing people from places like Beast Lair or Sufficient Velocity would be all over.

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>>34055626

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>>34055661
This happened in Tiger Collosseum Upper, but without Maiya. An Irisviel and a Kiritsugu from another world appeared through Zelretch's Box in a Fuyuki that resembles HA Fuyuki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZV7x6tvmT0

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>>34039322
>french MTL
Hey, don't be malicious and mislead >>34039368 without proof. It's not MTL but it's an average translation from what the archive threads said when it released in 2018. And from one post, it at least meets the quality of being better than the half-completed English translation. But it's probably not as good as the famed Higurashi French translation done by one autist who got all the rights and which was proclaimed as being better than the official English one done by professionals.

>>/jp/thread/S20407951#p20413653

There's probably nothing wrong with it as a whole but there is the usual mistakes most likely with Nasuisms and prose but that may be unavoidable.

[Anonymous No.]

Which translated TM work would you say has the best translation then?

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>>34056010
Fate translation is ok

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>>34055927
mcjon literally didn't even know japanese, he literally said he wants to crawl into a hole and die looking at his TL work years later. It's not hard to be better

[Anonymous No.]

Someone dig up those mcjon screencaps again. I need a laugh.

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>>34053714
CCC is so fucking bad. I actually felt like all the people that told me it was great were trolling.

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>>34056264
What about it filtered you so hard?

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>>34056240

>>34056296
Have you read it? honest question.

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>>34056366
Cute.

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>>34056366
>BTFO so hard by JOPs on /jp/ that a T/L project is killed
every time

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>>34056484
He was already aware his work was so shit he was basicially refusing to work on it, I don't know why he didn't just cancel it years prior. Attention I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>34056366
>分かろうとするな、感じれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>34056366
Yeah.

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>>34056366
>54k posts

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>>34056690
What's so bad about it? Seems pretty reasonable if you're an active member of a forum for nearly a decade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34056690
I've probably made over 100,000 posts on 4chan. Not that I've been keeping track.

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>>34056619
Having incorrect Japanese in your signature/profile is never a good sign.

[Anonymous No.]

Someone post seigi no mikata.

[Anonymous No.]

Playing Tsuki with the original OST instead of Tsuki-Bako's is a nice way to change things up, but who thought MIDI buttrock was a good idea for the credits theme? Mood whiplash after every ending.

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>>34056903
how is that incorrect

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>>34057712
Should be 感じろ. The concept is flawed though since it's trying to turn an English phrase directly to Japanese. It sounds weird and unnatural.

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>>34057807
I don't understand but thank you senpai

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>>34058144
I don't know the names or even the rules of verb conjugations. I just feel them out desu. 感じれ is not a proper conjugation because I don't know, "reasons" (you can always search if you are unsure). 感じろ is what you want here.

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>>34058188
Senpai... I thought you knew what you were talking about...

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>>34058207
Formally learning grammar is gay. Just feel it bro. It works trust me.

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>>34058218
That's what I've been doing for 4 years

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>>34058240
感じる some more

[Anonymous No.]

I hope the remake takes notes from the manga and shows more of SHIKI's childhood with Nanaya and Akiha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34052823
Yeah I'm retarded.

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>>34054297
>They're so completely removed from the actual story that it's not even funny.
This is good though. I like when a VN shows the amount of deviation that your choices can have. And frankly I much preferred Far-Side, it felt like an old slasher haunted house VN with Chuuni powers, and I like that.

[Anonymous No.]

Bro We Did It !!!

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>>34058849
There isn't any other launch going on right now so it isn't that amazing.

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>>34058421
>an old slasher haunted house VN with Chuuni powers
That's a generous interpretation. For me, it felt more like a lot of nakige relationship drama with some supernatural stuff added for good measure.

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>>34058849
yorokobe shounen

[Anonymous No.]

>it also became a physical weapon, a scriptural canon and pile bunker with a weight of sixty kilograms. It is a lump of iron capable of pounding vampires to death with only physical attack power. Swinging it is enough to easily break bones, and she can manipulate it with great strength and speed. With optional attachments increasing its maximum weight by double, it can be called a "Gatling scripture.


>Ciel's paint(tattoo) is steroid (Muscle bump)

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>>34051291
There's nothing traditional about random tattoos.

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>>34059336
I was using traditional to refer to the old designs, not tattoos in general.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does no one talk about hollow ataraxia? was it really that awful? even extra and ccc and strange/fake get discussed more than HA

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>>34060118
It was actually pretty great. It's just more niche, and it never had any adaptations.

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>>34060118
HA, the ending in particular is fantastic.
>>34060250
I don't think an adaptation could work. Emiya Gohan has adapted most of the SoL scenes

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>>34055383
I’m surprised you guys don’t realize the way Nasu structured HF is intended to be subversive. In the final Tiger Dojo he calls it the Dark Side of Fate and refers to it as the dark undertones that are in the shadow of the regular Fate story. He calls both Fate routes a regular Holy Grail story that has both the Servants and Masters in the spotlight. He deliberately kept Sakura in the background as a charcter that the player would forget about. A key element in HF is Shirou forgetting about it ignoring Sakura’s issues due to the HGW going on. He knows that she’s being beaten by Shinji and hits him back, but he doesn’t try to step into their family issues. He just ignores her issues and she’s entirely forgotten in the first two routes. In HF the ugly truth he didn’t try to confront is revealed as well as the other truths the game has been hiding. HF is brilliant in many ways and he treats all of the routes as an acceptable ending for Shirou. Fate doesn’t need a definitive true end as each route is a different path that Shirou follows.

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>>34053644

>Not a one. And a timely one? FGO is the closest and that's 2 years behind.

Bro what

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>>34060118
Wdym no one? TsukiR was just released so of course people are going to talk about that instead

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>>34060751
Nobody is talking about now. I can count in my hands the number of times I've seen people talk about HA in the last 10 years, anywhere.

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>>34060500
I don't think HF was meant to subvert things, Fate and UBW were earnest about their ideas, and HF is not trying to deconstruct them. HF was Nasu's (third) attempt at making the reader emphasize with a truly broken girl, someone whose body and soul have both been dirtied and broken seemingly beyond repair. Much like Asagami and Hisui before her, Sakura is a truly evil person, but that evil comes from a justified place. Since justice is a big part of FSN's narrative, HF spends its time pondering about the nature of this particular kind of justice. And Nasu throws support behind the idea that a girl like Sakura deserves happiness despite her depraved actions. And he also acknowledges that supporting her is incredibly selfish, since you ignore her victims, but it's a valid choice nonetheless.

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>>34060818
Too bad for you I discuss about it on /vn/ and [REDACTED]

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>>34060845
Meant for
>>34060791

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>>34060818
>Much like Asagami and Hisui before her, Sakura is a truly evil person
you take that back anon

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>>34061522
Oh shit, I was thinking about Kohaku, but I guess Hisui got stuck in my head. She's a good girl.

[Anonymous No.]

Akiha... Akiha...

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>>34055178
I think the problems you have with Tsukihime are due to franchise overdose. And I don't mean Tsuki as a franchise, I mean franchising as a concept. It's important to remember that Tsukihime is a single story. These characters as you see them in the game cease to exist after the credits roll, so it doesn't really matter what fate has in store for them after any ending because they're not actual people.
We are used to thinking about fictional characters as parts of a much larger whole (like real people) due to the success of huge franchises like Marvel or DC (or even Fate), but Tsukihime is just one story, it's not a huge world that's supposed to make sense in its every ending. Kohaku is not going to mindbreak Akiha with her blood in Arcueid's ending because Kohaku is not real, so she can't do anything.
After you're done with Nasu's story, you're the one who could continue it if you wish, you "inherit" the characters, so to speak. You can make up your own version of future events in your mind, and it will be as valid as any other, and that's how Tsukihime endures - not through cash IVs administered by giant corporations pumping out sequel after sequel until it becomes a parody of itself, but in the minds and hearts of fans.

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>>34058188
He's not even using the right words, the bruce lee quote is commonly translated as 考えるな、感じろ. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and guess that it's actually a quote from some VN or something, because how the fuck do you mix up thinking and understanding

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>>34063092
>Kohaku is not going to mindbreak Akiha with her blood in Arcueid's ending because Kohaku is not real
Ideally, the game should provide a reason for that, and it probably would if it was made on a professional budget.

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>>34063092
>cease to exist
>not actual people
Shut up. SHUT UP!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34060669
FGO's NA TL has its issues, but it still beats relying on a combination of fan and bot translation.

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>>34063538
Akiha has no need to use her abilities, SHIKI isn't there to keep leeching off Shiki leading to less yuri sessions. And with Shikis away Kohaku robots goes into a default routine mode not knowing what to do now.

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>>34063478
"Don't try to understand" seems totally fine to me. Mixing up 命令形 for 一段 and 五段 is a mistake for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34057712
感じれ doesn't mean anything, it should be 感じてくれ

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>>34063672
oh, that makes sense.

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>>34063538
Simply drinking blood will not push Akiha over the edge, SHIKI fucking with Nii-san was required for that, as we see in Kohaku's ending, where she continues her normal life sipping on blood packs (Nasu probably got that idea from Hellsing). And they also have a True Ancestor sucking on Shiki's manhood all day long, so I'm sure there are many options avaliable.

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>>34063656
It was my understanding that Shiki and Roa are still fused in the same manner
>And with Shikis away Kohaku robots goes into a default routine mode not knowing what to do now.
That makes some sense, but it just seems like she's being swept under the rug
>>34063726
>Simply drinking blood will not push Akiha over the edge, SHIKI fucking with Nii-san was required for that
I guess that works

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>>34063833
>It was my understanding that Shiki and Roa are still fused in the same manner
Roa dies completely in both Near-Side routes, In Arc's route, Shiki kills him in SHIKI instead of just killing SHIKI like in other routes, and in Ciel's route Shiki kills Roa in himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34063668
how is it fine if he's trying to quote bruce lee?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34064333
He obviously isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34064373
99% sure he is dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>34060290
>most

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>>34063478
Oh I didn't even know it was supposed to be a bruce lee quote heh.

[None !!BxJDSpAJCGo No.]

>>34056010
DDD's J the E. Sadly arai never translated more.

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>>34063092
You forgot about Kagetsu Tohya but yes.

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>>34063092
It's real to me dammit!

[Anonymous No.]

>>34065122
I prefer to think about it like this: the characters may be fictional, but the emotions are very much real, and that's what really matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34065163
SHUT UP!

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>>34060818
Even if he didn’t mean to write it to be subversive it is quite subversive in many ways. Saber dies before the story is over for the first time and leave Shirou to fend for himself. You don’t have Rin’s support for long as you don’t establish an alliance early on. The Servants who are usually main stays in the story are defeated easily. Gil is killed before the game ends. Sakura comes into the spotlight after doing nothing the whole game. Kirei who was your enemy throughout the game becomes one of your most useful allies. Shirou’s ideals are challenged and he ultimately betrays them. It may not be to subvert, but I do think he wrote HF in order to shake things up as he considers the Fate and UBW route to be the two stories that are what Fate is all about. HF is the dark undertone that I talked about before. I wouldn’t call Sakura evil as she’s a victim to Angra’s corruption. She has a dark side to her like everyone else does and it is brought to the forefront due to Angra.

[Anonymous No.]

i like akiha

[Anonymous No.]

>>34065655
Me too.

[Anonymous No.]

*takes your viriginity*
"hehe nothing personal kid"

[Anonymous No.]

>>34065655
If she was my non-blood related sister I would go wild

[Anonymous No.]

>>34065956
If she was my blood related sister I would go wild too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34066009
But then she would have to kill you

[Anonymous No.]

>>34066130
Worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34060818
>HF is not trying to deconstruct them
>Fate: I never had a plan to begin with! *wins with plot armor*
>HF: I don't have any more tricks up my sleeve, Kotomine is far stronger than me, things won't just conveniently work out the way I want them to

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>>34066430
>Kotomine is far stronger than me, things won't just conveniently work out the way I want them to
Spoiler alert - they did. Illya descends upon your ass like a literal deus ex machina.

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>>34066494
So because telling an interesting story requires some contrivances, that means Shirou didn't explicitly express two contradictory thoughts in very similar circumstances, drawing attention to their differences up to that point?

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>>34066544
I don't remember Shirou screaming YAY PLOT ARMOR at any points in Fate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34066494
Don't forget Touko magically coming along to build him a new body.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34066597
What else would you describe Avalon as, let alone projecting it from Saber's body?

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't expect Nasu to explain his rape fetish to is.
I do relate with the sentiment though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34066669
Did you only watch the movie?

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>>34066677
Are you saying that Shirou had no plot armor in HF?

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>>34066691
See >>34066544, Avalon is a pretty clearly symbolic plot device, and well, HF is the route with the most deaths.

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>>34066715
So is Illya.
>plot devices I don't like are plot armor
>plot devices I like are required contrivances

[Anonymous No.]

>>34066731
I didn't say plot armor isn't a required contrivance or that I dislike it. In this case it adds an insane amount to the story. It just works in a different, much more direct and unreasoned way and serves a different purpose in the story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34066731
How is Illya a plot device? She explains what the third magic does and shows you that she can transplant people’s souls into different things. The concept is also talked about with Zouken before the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34066677
What's wrong with projecting Avalon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34067154
The same thing wrong with projecting Ea or Excalibur. It's one thing to manifest it from inside his body, but projecting it from Saber from somewhere far away where their only connections were the command seal and transplanted circuits is kinda pushing it. It's probably meant to operate on the same logic as the first Caliburn projection, and what that means goes without saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34067544
Says who? Nasu? Shirou projected Excalibur in HF.

>what that means goes without saying
No I actually don't know what you mean.

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>>34067577
Archer said he could project a convincing but not exact replica in UBW but it would kill him, and it killed Shirou when he did using Archer's abilities. When Shirou saw Ea, he couldn't process it like other weapons because it wasn't made of earthly materials, which also applies to Avalon. Caliburn was deliberately unexplained to feel like a miracle, which Nasu has stated before.