Elona Thread

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Previous: >>33707948

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.

Using GIMP to create a sprite or PCC? Select "do not write color space" and save it as a 24-bit BMP.

What version to play? Read the pastebin.

>New? Start here:
https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa

>Mods:
https://pastebin.com/5ja03yuf

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29
>Latest Elona+
https://elona.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000037554/

>Elona+ 1.90 and 1.89 Archive (and mods):
https://mega.nz/#F!2eBTxQLD!IO9hCXUHZYJgmNCpm3mfBA

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
>Go here for Custom download too
https://elona.fandom.com/f/p/3340109923483964385

>Current Version:
Elona+ 2.03 (2021-2-13)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.90.4 (2019-06-02)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.90.4.2 (2019-10-20)

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.fandom.com/f/p/3308392244314428365

>Current Version:
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2019-06-17)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)

>OOMSEST Updates
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ObWACccjqvaJLcXBfsH2tHEGaYfaD0S_


>Elin's Inn
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1moY3mcjFNPCytLFTdhgB0Xhnq2Bbt_yE/view

>OO English CUSTOM
FINAL RELEASE
https://elona.fandom.com/f/p/3665075680313659434
https://mega.nz/file/YA8HxRxT#MKLbn9fJxYyxAEY9XFAKTxj-plD-TUYsHHyyk0KCogk

>Elona Vanilla CUSTOM
FINAL RELEASE
https://elona.fandom.com/f/p/3384697816088892399
https://mega.nz/file/QM1TmBjY#ZS21Ob7wDT84yg6_zLhjUasOMXpaOhEo3elq2P4fyLQ

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I've been meaning to get back into the game lately...

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Holy shit the thread is finally back.
Why did vtubersfags had to stick here despite having their own board, ruining the once slow and comfy aspect of /jp/

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I can't believe elona is fucking dead

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>>33985673
The real question is why would you make a thread as a goddamn twitch chat

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Anyone try out Elona Mobile? Seems pretty nice, I like the new graphics and UI, and everything seems to port over pretty decently. They surprisingly kept a lot of the features in it.

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>>33985802
I didn't but I've seen one video. I don't think I'll go through with it.

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>>33985802
It's pretty friendly with its microtransactions but goddamn if it isn't slow

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>>33985673
I still subscribe to the theory that some competitor of Hololive is financing this board being spammed as a way of sabotaging them. Mainly because it's working and I wish that everyone related to Hololive would die a horrible death.

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>>33986455
The gems are basically just skins and prettier looking allies, right? I think I can live without it. Not sure how the guild mechanics or event stuff works, I just started the game today.

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>>33988575
>The gems are basically just skins and prettier looking allies, right?
yes
>guild mechanics
I don't even know there's a guild mechanics

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>>33988880
Guild expeditions and contributions, once you join a guild. I just autojoined one randomly to see if there's any benefits. I'm assuming there's no /jp/ one up, so if there's any interest in organizing one once the game officially launches, might be worth making.

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>>33988999
I'd consider joining when they speed up the game speed

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>>33985802
I've tried it till lvl 15, the game is really slow
I played Elona back then for 3 yrs ago, then saw that in mobile and might as well give it a try.
If you are lucky with the companion eggs they give you, then your journey will be much more easier. You will get 2 monster balls around in the early and if you just capture the orcs and make them your companion, you will get strong companion... you won't even need to bother having the first companion the game offers you (dog,cat,sister,bear)
I think they made the game for microtransaction purposes..

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Ah, someone beat me to the OP on monday.

My fault for being busy, but I promise it was for a good reason. Try to keep the thread alive till you get to see it.

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Oh but before I go, never forget the immortal elona motto.

DOUBLE YOUR STATS

HALF YOUR WORRIES

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>>33982217
Can I find her in any way other than playing until act 3? I want to astral pen my waif

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>>33982217
Is mani the only god with a dedicated temple? the main reason I chose him as my god is that the cyberdome is the closest to your home

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>>33990938
Just convert his altar.

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>>33989691
Maybe you could find her in the void, but I forgot if that make it harder to recruit from there or she can even be there. Also if you are unlucky with the bosses there, it might be easier/faster to just go to act3.

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how high your literacy, perception and learning should be to produce manuscripts higher than paper scraps/noob?

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>>33989691
She only shows up in lesimas or amur cage. If you missed the first chance, play on to act 3.

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Can the thread really not survive on /vg/?
I'm sick of the thread dying, and vtuberfags are not going anywhere for some reason.

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>>33997796
/jp/ is still slower most of the time, sometime there are surge of new threads from shitposters but on average it should be slower.
There is also the fact that Elona has been on /jp/ for so long and really there is already a roguelike general on /vg/ which Elona has its pasta in their OP. I don't go in there often, if at all, but I think an elona /vg/ thread when /rlg/ exist might create pointless rivalries and /vg/ posters aren't the same as /jp/ posters(excluding gachafags&vtuberfags)

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Guy who's obsessed with making flesh dolls out of enemies with Thread of Innervation here.
I've noticed that when I kill a boss with it, it always leaves a flesh doll but no corpse or figurine, so it's reasonable to conclude it has to drop both in order to leave one.
I thank <Vansesda> the ancient fire for her invaluable contribution of zero figurines for my museum, which left me wondering if her figurine had somehow ben burned by the Ancient Volcano's heat hazard.
Cool blue flame dragon decoration for my house though, totally worth it.

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>>33997796
>>33997934
Afaik, back then Elona is kinda shunned on game related board. It's also known for degeneracy and stuff. So, tough luck trying to get accepted, Elona is very /JP/ anyway.
Also, sometimes I wonder if some people from 2008 or 2009 are still here. Just curious.

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>>34000003
I first came to know Elona when I found the general on /vg/ around 2012 I think.

Degeneracy is not a problem anywhere in 4chan. And on /vg/ you got hentai games general for instance.

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>>34000122
I always tought Elona is only on /JP/ because some anon mentioned Elona thread being too slow on /vg/ so they rolled up to /rlg/ or something(?) despite having the thread on /jp/. It was kinda recent so, I think it is around 2020. I might check the archive later but, good to know that degeneracy is not a problem.
Perhaps I'm too biased with "back then" mentality but I kinda feel that there is less leniency in several boards regarding some topic. . Like example, some boards kinda preachy about posting anime related stuff or being too fetish bait post or something.

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>>33997796
/vg/ threads now take longer to die compared to say one year or more ago, although perhaps this thread is still too slow to /vg/.

Worst case scenario if you absolutely can't survive on /jp/ nor /vg/ as a standalone general, you could try moving to /rlg/.

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>>34000122
'Sup, here, warosu.org/jp/thread/S24004526 about the thread I mentioned before.

I almost forgot why I came here, so since I lost my 700 hours+ save on Elona+ , I started playing OOMSEST, with all those perks how much will I regret making a generalist character? I mean, currently, I'm putting points to all weapon feat to (+35%) and yes, I switches weapon a lot. I also disabled magic since I was too reliant on it (buffs, debuffs, healing rain, etc.) during my journey in Elona+.
Honestly, I'm enjoying this No magic Juere Merchant generalist run. But, I heard from my coworker this version lean toward maximizing character if I want to clear high-end dungeon like the void or simply higher leveled dungs. Is it outright impossible running sub optimal character (considering maxed weapon mastery grants +100% damage and specific weapon feat gives extra flair to said weapon) or is it just harder to clear with it? I mean I don't mind harder runs as long as it is not impossible. Thanks.

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>>33989528
How do I double my stats in OO?

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>>33982217
>check out Elin's Inn recently
>gameplay has drastically changed once again
remind me again of how is this supposed to be played

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So there's no end in sight to Plus, right? He'll just keep expanding on the lore/story/mechanics as long as there's interest?

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>>34008984
It has been going for some time now. So, yes it is most likely to keep going. For now. I don't know.

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>>34008984
Seems so.

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>>34008984
I come from the future.

Elona+ act 6, by now we have dick hole cleaning so you can piss slightly better and Ano nerfed hp because he said irl you don't survive 10 gunshots like its nothing which unironically made the winged snail the ultimate gatekeeper that destroyed many inferno playthrough.

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>>34013475
You forgot to mention the part where if you have too much speed for your level there's a random chance you'll trip and take damage.

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>>34013894
The brawl of Elona.... Ano only take from the best.

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>>34008984
Yes. Even in his eventual undeath, it will continue to be developed.

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>>34007849
Last I heard it was sorta like Dwarf Fortress or something?

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I'm very new to Elona and I am making a custom player sprite, since I am playing a fairy it's going to be rather small, will the armor sprites clip with it or can I disable those somehow?

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>>34019835
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Furniture#Usable_Furniture
>Dresser: Can be used to choose whether or not to show optional pieces of clothing you or your allies have equipped.

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>>34019871
Thank you. I didn't know if I had to configure files or not.

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>>34019969
No problem. Feel free to ask any questions you have.

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>>33987465
nijiniggers?

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>>33985802
It throws gold and plat at you, it's definitely easier than PC Elona, but yeah it is slower on mobile. I'll definitely be playing it again when it finally releases out of beta, hope to see some of you guys there since Elona Mobile has managed to bring back some multiplayer aspects from Elona and a guild system.

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>>33988999
Count me in for a /jp/ guild. As for guild benefits, apparently if the guild levels up, your guild can get guild skills that upgrade your characters, like an extra 100 HP per level in one skill IIRC. To give the guild resources, you just need to throw 5 items from several categories to give the guild points, 5 items each of food, potions, equipment, scrolls. And then optionally watch an add to add a shit ton more.

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>>33989229
>I've tried it till lvl 15
Don't you get a bonus character sprite if you reach lvl 18 before the game officially launches?

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I'm new to the game, and, while I want to figure out most of the stuff for myself, I also am finding it difficult to obtain currency/enter dungeons without dying. Are there specific jobs I should look for when trying to make money early on?

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>>34019058
It plays like an isometric Elona-lite now.

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>>34021806
You won't be able to do dungeons right away. You'll need to build yourself and your little girl up first.
Delivering something to a nearby town is a classic job for beginners. If you have Gardening, you could help with harvests in Yowyn. The easiest (one star) hunting quests might be doable for you, although it'd probably be better to do something else first so you could buy better equipment and enhance it a little.

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>>34021081
Cool, we can probably organize one once the game officially launches then.

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>>34023375
Should be fairly fast to do it too, since it's one of the options for the newbie quests they give you for a starting a new character be in a guild by either make/join one.

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>>33988999
>>34021081
Should we post it up on /rlg/ too once it's live, or just keep it local here? Dunno if it would fill up with people from here alone.

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>>34023631
Do both why not

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Is the mobile version going to get a data wipe eventually?

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>>34024594
Yes

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>>33989528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIcE8oPLBh0

Never say I didn't give you kids nothin'.

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I want to plough miromi's boyhole

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>>34021030
This, it seems easier than normal elona
>>33985802
I honestly did not like it, which is why i am here, because it made me want to play elona+ again.

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>>34024594
Yes, but you get a beta tester exclusive skin if you hit 16/18?, and anyone that spends money now gets a full rebate to use when the game officially releases

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I'm pretty new to this game, does beautify work with custom g? Anything else like that I should download?

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>>34026735
works on my machine 5 years ago

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Is there a decent nub guide (pastebin one appears to be dead) or just some OP start guide? I tried playing this like two years ago (E+) and trying again now and honestly it's fun but getting my ass fucked by hunger demons or a particularly beefy hermit crab is becoming annoying now.

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>>34033896
What class and race did you start with?

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>>34033896
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Beginner%27s_Guide

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>>34035071
I miss mimikan

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I started out as a gunner and I keep missing, any reason why? My dex is12 and my per is 18. I have a bronze pistol and bullets. My little girl is basically carrying me through everything

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>>34037153
You started as a Yerles right? Otherwise your Firearm skill is going to be pretty small.

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>>34037153
>I started out
>My little girl is basically carrying me through everything
Everything is normal, carry on.

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>>34037289
Yeah I did start as Yerles
>>34037303
I see, I just found a sniper so hopefully that helps

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>>34037321
Personally I find the glass "machineguns" tend to be pretty good, high accuracy, good even damage.

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Autopickup is in for the Lua rewrite
and autoexplore
and autoplanting
and autodigging
and custom dungeons
and custom gods
and MIDI music
and test suites
and various catastrophic bugs
and it still needs several hundred hours of work for playability...

Here is the way autopickup was implemented. I'm not sure if implementing such a mod could be made any simpler at this point.
https://github.com/Ruin0x11/OpenNefia/tree/be7a90fe79cee0bbb51d009a6561216da153bcd9/src/mod/autopickup

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Also, holy Goddess is the scope of the API exploding
This is quickly becoming more than just a mod feature. It's growing into an entire platform.
Although I think that any solution that attempts to implement the entire feature set of a variant like Elona+ as a standalone mod would need to be flexible enough to be its own platform. Such is reality...

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>>34037561
>>34037585
So is this like Foobar?

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How do you get your little girl to not drink from wells?

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>>34037846
Buy a tamer's whip, and smack her ass with it. If Elona+ I think you can eventually even get a skill to order them not to.

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>>34037846
Step 1. Go to Lumiest Graveyard.
Step 2. Pick up wings.
Step 3. Give wings to girl. (If she was wearing a cape or something, remove it.)

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>>34037612

Not really, it's a ground-up rewrite of the vanilla codebase. Foobar's code was transpiled to C++ from the original HSP. Some of the original modding features like events were taken from foobar, but everything else was redesigned. For example, you can now have more than one map loaded at a time and can choose which one to spawn things in. The new engine also allows for things like asynchronous animations and shaders. (So things like rain will now continue animating even if there's a popup window.)

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>>34037989
They still drink from wells, but when they fall in they just fly back oot IIRC

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>>33987465
You're not as important as you think you are.

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Seems like rueken is responsible for 90% of good Elona art floating around

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>>34039704
cry more bitch

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>>34040888
I wish rueken didn't drop elona for FE

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Elin's Inn looks promising, even if I have no clue wtf I'm doing

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>>34041200
>Sorry, this is untranslated text.

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>>34034930
Mainly was trying Juere Warrior and a bit of Yerles Claymore.

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>>34041200
Noa can speak english now, what not just do the whole game in english?

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>>34044291
Because he's Japanese.

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Has OOMSEST gotten updated? Last time I updated was at the end of july last year.

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>>34047286
There were a few updates near new years, IIRC

But if you want more updates you should switch to NC which is a mod of oomsest that's been getting tons more content/updates recently.

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>>34047656
>Elona
>Elona Omake
>Elona Omake Overhaul
>Elona Omake Overhaul Modify
>Elona Omake Overhaul Modify Syufuku
>Elona Omake Overhaul Modify Syufuku South Tyris
And now another one? Where do I find NC? Wasn't on the pastebin.
>

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>>34048299
The jp dev only pushes releases on their discord, and the people still on this chan hate discord links. The english discord links to oomsestepnc's discord though, if you want to track it down.

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>>34048501
someone could just archive it elsewhere or just link whatever he put it on unless he doesn't just link it on d*scord but also archive it there which is pretty dumb

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>>34051658
RIP omake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLP50x6nqKI

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>>34051658
They DO archive that shit on discord. No outside links

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Is Elona+'s Beautify still being updated? I can only find 1.99 and previous. Also, does 1.99 Beautify work with current E+?

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>>34053143
They may as well put them on OneDrive too since they're already on Microsoft servers.

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>>34053729
Replacement sprites/spritesheets won't have newly added sprites and would need to be updated.

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>>33982217
Is plus and OO the only translated variants?

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>>34033896
Best races are elea and lich, but anything that's not fairy is fine. Mutant and snail aren't recommended either if you're inexperienced.
take thief as your class and marksman as your special skill
for feats, you want stuff that grants spacts, typically
>something for quick incapacitation/killing (Strings assassin, Hypnosis, Magic eye)
>something that can bring targets to low health (Knockout, Vampiric ability)
>something else useful (Empathy, Magical plants, Uncontrollable power, etc)
generally feats that just provide stats, skills, or resistances are not worth it

Once you start, head to the cyber dome, buy a laser pistol and an energy cell, collect small medals and get the shield tonfa ASAP

try to progress towards one of the ways to increase stat potential, either large picnic baskets (consistent and reliable, but fiddly), or blessed potential potions (simple, but inconsistent).

have fun!

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>>34059593
I haven't heard of any others.

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>>34062071
Strings Assassin depends on Tactics for damage, so depending on your class it might not do much damage at first. Personally I like Hypnotism, Dimensional Move, and Exorcist for starting feats.

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>>34070443
Strings Assassin will match or outdamage melee attacks on 80% of enemies at any given tactics level, until you get well into elemental damage, absolute pierce, and extra attacks. It's also excellent for training tactics, uses little stamina, can't miss, and grants access to a couple other nice spacts.
Dimensional move doesn't move you as far as the other teleport options, and it costs nothing to carry a rod of teleport with you, which does essentially the same thing better but also lets you teleport things other than yourself.
Exorcist is actually annoying when you're trying to curse flying scrolls and other things. Contrary to popular belief, it has zero effect on hexes and word of death - all it does is have a chance to block attempts to curse your items

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>>34070443
>>34070865
forgot to mention, I recommended starting with thief, who does get tactics, so strings assassin would be great right from the start there.

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>>34070865
With blacksmiths able to adjust the weight of gear, is item cursing still that important? I faintly recall there were at least one or two other things, but I can't remember exactly what they are, so I don't know offhand how big of a deal it is.

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>still waiting for Custom/better TL to get to 2.0 so I can play again
One of these days...

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>>33987465
That Noel Thread is dead as fuck. Only being kept alive by one anon who refuses to let it die.

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>>34076090
I just saw that. What the fuck.

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>>34074741
it's enough for me that I don't take exorcist

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>1st blind playtrough, playing E+
>having a pretty tough time
>go to sleep one night
>feel lucky
>fall off my bed and land on 20k gold
>step outside the inn, find 20k gold
>go towards the quest board, find 20k gold
>leave city, find 20k gold
>end the day with like 100k
>go on a shopping spree
>buy useless armor and weapons I don't use or can't use properly
>buy a deed of farm, put it down, realize I don't have anything to plant, get taxed next week anyway
>buy expensive blessed shit without knowing what they actually do
>try to cure my mutations with cure disease

You live and learn I guess.

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>>34062071
>>34070875
>>34070443
>>34070865

Thank you guys, Elea Thief with laser gun is working pretty great right now (minus one or two really fucking quick boars that just one shot me). Any reason why the Shield Tonfa is the next goal? Should that be my main weapon going forward or is the laser gun still worth keeping?

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>>34086347
Shield tonfa isn't a weapon, tonfa are basically claws, and claws are basically offensively oriented shields
Shield tonfa is both great defensively and adds a 20 damage bonus, plus 1 for each leve of enhance.
You'll keep it and a claw in your hands while shooting with the laser gun.

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>>34086626
Got it. Just need like 35 more medals.

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>>34081412
Such is life in roguelikes

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>>34074741
The only other thing I can think of is water to do more cursing with. I guess it's more important if you're playing Omake?

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>>34081412
Dude, I'm gonna blow your freaking mind.
Cargo takes up a separate weight limit called your cart. Time to merchant.

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>>34092445
How many people actually haul cargo around? I've never bothered with it, personally.

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>>34099316
it's easy and reliable money, trains negotiation, and you can do it as you're going round doing quests and waiting for shops to refresh

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>>34099345
what's the best way to escape bandits when you're overweight? Dimension move is unreliable, should I try teleport rods?

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>>34100265
Violent garden, Empathy (once you have resonant voice), any AoE spell, or just oneshot the boss with zero shoot and gun down the rest.

If it's running away you're talking about, teleport has longer range than dimensional move, so it'll usually take you out of their sight in a single cast

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Is there any particular why a piece of my gear just got cursed while I was sleeping? Is it just a random thing or did something cause it? I got a mutation the same night (and I don't recall having ether disease) but luckily the mutation was positive at least.

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>>34102885
Any particular reason*

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>>34102885
bad dreams

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>>34102885
Random events happen when you sleep. It's common for gear to be cursed, to be mutated, and to lose elemental resistances gained by eating meat. The holy dakimakura will reduce the chance of something bad happening, but not eliminate it.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I supposed to know what the fuck I'm doing?
Right now I'm just running around murdering monsters in dungeons and buying shit that I have no idea what it does

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>>34112203
Sounds about right.

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>>34112203
Elona is vast. Learning is gradual. You're doing fine. Actually, if you're able to kill things you're doing better than average.

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>>34112203
Experiment around
or just check the wiki

[Anonymous No.]

Any suggestions on what's a good early game investment for miner/blacksmiths to earn more money in OOMSEST?
Tried making a living off the initial cave you start off with but the rate in which you get anything worthwhile from mining it seems so abysmal. So I'm considering just working towards a shack to plop down next to Fort of Chaos to mines the walls for ore. Since the wiki mentioned it being relatively(?) safe.

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I think this is the farthest I've been in my elona journey and i bombed the whole Palmia bcs some slutty loli told me to... now my karma is over -80
life is not fine

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>>34120206
I've got good news and bad news. The good news is that now that you're a villain, you can steal things and bash people awake without losing karma. The bad news is that unless you can disguise yourself, you're going to be stuck doing jobs in Derphy for a while to get your karma back up to the point where guards won't attack you.

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Isn't she contradicting what she said and calling herself エッチ?

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>>34123832
Huh?

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>>34120206
Dumb frogposter

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>>34120206
Toil away in derphy you scum

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>>34120206
Haul your stack of cure corruption potion to Noyel to regain karma

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>>34128590
Cheaper to kill/resurrect some bards/kids/etc.

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>>34123832
"Hittoman"

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>>34120206
Grind the Derphy board quests and puppy cave for grave events. If you think that the karma hit is bad the thief guild's entry test is much worse.

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Does the absolute piercing attack effect from the Griffon apply to your melee attacks as well or is it just when you use that specific weapon?

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>>34128848
I doubt someone who dosen't know how to get karma back up would be able to afford resurrection.

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>red page 9
>last post is 14min ago
by the 7+1 gods, what the fuck is happening

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>>34134148
Vt*ber threads and h*lofans

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>>34134394
not content with having a whole board for them alone, they are bent on being a menace greater than even etherwind

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>>34133730
Absolute piercing chance is universal. I think only elemental damage and invokes are exclusive to the weapon that they're on, unless I'm forgetting something.

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>>34133951
Cheaper than corruption pots.

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5 more days until Elona Mobile's beta ends, and 15 more until it officially releases. Any ideas for a guild name?

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>>34139381
13* more, pic slightly related

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>>34139381
Elonut

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How do I get pets to use their shift cores instead of doing gauge attacks?

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>>34141702
set them to intercept mode
and never put omega on a pet
they don't know how to use it or deal with the drain

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>>34139381
What does the guild do even?

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>>34143906
>>34021081

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>>34144761
Interesting
Would it not ruin the game's balance even more then?

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Sorry if it's obvious but is there a set of PCC clothes fitted to the B(picrelated) body type? I checked out a couple mods in the pastebin and everything is fitted to the A body type.
I'm in the process of fitting the outfits I'm interested in to B but I wanna know if I'm wasting time.

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>>34144805
What balance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34146650
I mean would it not make the game more easier? the mobile version is already easy as it is

[Anonymous No.]

So which version of this do I play?

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>>33997796
Could try /vrpg/ maybe

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>>34044291
That's a lot of extra work and he's been having trouble finding the motivation to finish anything as is.

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>>34059593
OO has a bunch of translated descendants if that counts

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>>34033896
Yerles is a good all rounder race for their bonus skill points on level up. Juere is a quality of life pick since they gather extra materials and need to eat less food, but in terms of power they're mid tier. Take exorcist as a starting feat so your stuff doesn't get randomly cursed at night. Also take a special action attack feat. They never miss and will help a lot in the beginning. Hypnotism is in every version of the game and reliably inflicts sleep. Strings assassin is a strong alternative if you're on elona plus.

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>>34037153
Different types of guns are effective at different ranges.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Ranged_Weapons
Laser pistols are good at any range. Machine guns are also not bad. All physical attackers have serious accuracy problems early on. Let your pets carry you - buying a wizard of elea from the slave trader is a good idea - and pick up a special attack feat like hypnotism or string assassin.

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>>34070443
>Personally I like Hypnotism, Dimensional Move, and Exorcist for starting feats.
That's the set I always take too.

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>>34100265
Rod, scroll, or spell of teleport has better range than dimensional move, but there's still random chance. Make sure to keep your stamina work, dimensional move never fails to at least activate as long as you have stamina. Other than that you just need to get tougher. You may want to just surrender your cargo to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34112203
Job board quests are how you get off the ground. They pay well and you desperately need platinum coins to learn skills.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it advisable to gets pets with different skillsets as the player character or the same?
Having the little girl you start off with act as a tank for my wizard seems pretty hit or miss when she chases off mobs and leaves me to fend for myself.
Compared to have a ranged/wizard ally you can just pluck off mobs at range, which is great for not needlessly chasing fleeing mobs.

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>>34147181
String assassin has me spoiled. I fucking love string users in anime, it has decent damage scaling and you can turn enemies into literal meat puppets/statues.

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>>34147111
they don't allow generals, so all the OP will get removed and thread might get deleted if a janny/meido want to fuck with us for being an exiled general

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>>34147525
I tend to put all my pets in talk mode unless there's something specific I want them for.

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>70,000+ damage from a level 70 character
Unison impact's gauge attack is absolutely broken.

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[Anonymous No.]

>multiple head mutation
Imagine the banter

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>>33982217
lol

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>>34157420
Elona need to acknowledge the player's mutations more from other than gameplay

[Anonymous No.]

>>34152814
What'll you do when you run into something with a million HP and Unison Impact still only does 70k?

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>>34149480
/vmg/ then

[Anonymous No.]

>>34165251
We've got turboautist janny problems too, as of last month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34161911
Hide behind my bajillion zombies as I've been doing this whole playthrough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34161911
Cheeeese and more cheese.

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>>33982217
MIGRATE, YOU DEGENERATES >>34175445

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>>34175447
We haven't reached bump limit yet, you double Zanan.

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>>34120206
>my karma is over -80
shit man

[Anonymous No.]

I never bother with pets, they only steal my xp. I will gladly take my 20% speed boost and full xp.

>>34175447
are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34177146
Do you use necromancy to keep mooks off you during harvest time jobs, or do you just tough it out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34175447
bump limit is 310, not 150.

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>>34149480
There are basically always generals for black souls and sequel up there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34147525
>Is it advisable to gets pets with different skillsets as the player character or the same?
Doesn't matter. There's no particular advantage to a diverse team. You just want everyone to be strong in whatever they do.

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>>34178613
Basic pets are fine. The starting little girl and one of the slave trader's wizards of elea can handle them easily.

[Anonymous No.]

Any idea why my stats are getting lowered? I don't have any negative mutations, no hexes, none of my gear is cursed or giving me negatives so I just don't know where else to look, only 'status effect' I have right now is Burden! but I thought that only affects speed?

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>>34182280
something probably used touch of weakness or some similar action on you

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>>34182280
Drink a potion of restore body or visit a healer.

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>>34146708
Global Version is relatively easy but at least we aren't milked dry like the those in the CN version

[Anonymous No.]

>>34175447
Not even the bump limit yet you crossboarder

[Anonymous No.]

>>34182344
What's up with the CN version?

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>>34180823
Should I be dumping my starter pets (Little girl and Warrior of Elea) for stronger mid game pets then?
I'm playing OOMSEST so I won't be able to evolve my pets. Or will they be able to keep being strong meat shields into late game if I give them ores/food as I play.

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>>34180839
I thought you said you never bother with pets?

[Anonymous No.]

How do I make these not shit? Still a noob so I don't know the methods really.

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>>34183130
>How do I make these not shit?
>>34062071
>try to progress towards one of the ways to increase stat potential, either large picnic baskets (consistent and reliable, but fiddly), or blessed potential potions (simple, but inconsistent).

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't been paying attention to Elona in a while. What's up with this Elona Mobile thing? Is it just some random company using Elona as a cash grab? Just the idea of an Elona mobile game is so weird to me

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>>34182771
If you're playing OOMSEST just focus on grinding your PC and getting a high level monster ball, you can easily catch the op ones through panic/challenge quests.
If you bothered to train them from scratch they'll end up with plenty of broken feats like your PC though, their potential can easily be maintained through kumiromi blessed foods too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34185992
Noa leased the IP to a CN fan to pay rentbs, pls understand. Other than the pixelshit it's actually quite passable for now

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>>34185992
It's decent. The way it does the controls and stuff is great though, and is a good way for new players to be introduced to the game.
Though this could easily all change into some bad cash grab. The fact that the dev asked the players if he could remove the stat potential system and replace it with something else has left me skeptical.

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>>34178613
harvesting is one of the few time I use pets, but generally I'm so fast that it doesn't matter but it still some easy love love points

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>>34183130
Use your platinum coins at trainer on a constant basis. Drink from wells, eat herbs, eat raw equipment, sleep in a good bed etc. These are the
always-accessible cheap way.

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>>34188938
I'm pretty sure the only one of those that affects potential is the bed, and it doesn't do nearly enough. You need picnics or potions if you want to keep out of "Hopeless".

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>>34186280
>The fact that the dev asked the players if he could remove the stat potential system
Where did he ask this? what did everyone say?

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>>34194477
The dev put out a survey for anyone who played mobile and checked their mail. It was basically a series of questions asking the players if he could remove the stat potential system, under the justification that it would make the game easier or something like that. It was weird.

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>>34194638
Did he release the suvey result?

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>>34194672
Don't think so. He's done surveys in the past and I never got to see the overall results of any.

[Anonymous No.]

It's been a long time since I've played Elona+ on Custom-G. Should I just migrate to the latest Elona+ since that one is more updated? I wanted to do a cowboy gunslinger build this time around.

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>>34194672
But the dev can always manipulate the result

[Anonymous No.]

Bump

[Anonymous No.]

Are the younger sister ambush encounters way more deadly than they let on?
At my current fame I've been able to handle the rogue boss encounters rather reliably by just teleporting around and picking them off one at a time.
However, the younger sister boss spawning more copies seem to punish this type of safe strategy I've been using. Nor do I think I have the damage to outright one shot her with any spell either.

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>>34203687
Yeah they are pretty deadly in early to mid game
You're pretty much gonna get raped whether you like it or not

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>>34206415
>>34203687
Fun fact, in NC as your luck stat goes up, the odds of encountering them goes up.

Well, they don't take your gold or cargo, it's purely psychological damage.

[Anonymous No.]

Haven't played E+ since 2019, what's new since then?

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>>34208955
Custom died, more omake varients have been translated, we're up to oomsestepnc now.

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>>34208955
>B-Da*an are probably not coming back in the Reiwa era and it's too hard to get a hold of Bott*eman toys, so I figured I'd at least enjoy them in-game.
>Both of these toys shoot bottle caps. Potions are the Irvan equivalent [of PET bottles] because of their availability. Put these two facts together, and we get... the potioman!

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>>34209011
Does this mean if I want to play the latest versions, I'll have to deal with the engrish translations?

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>>34209061
Anything newer than 1.90, yes. BloodyShade and AnnaBannana are both gone, and Glyphy doesn't have enough free time these days.

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>>34207792
Does your prostitution go up?

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>>34210767
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Never checked. You don't get gold tho.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to use guns. Are they still viable in current version of Elona+?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34213258
Sadly, no. They are now OP due to a certain change to how ranged modifiers work, ranged weapons now overshadow everything else. You can one-shot your way through most of act 1 and a lot of act 2, just by making a thief for crits, and buying a sniper rifle at cyber dome.

Ranged modifiers now start at 100%, and their old bonus is added on to that, so laser guns do 2x damage as an exampe. Hit rate is unchanged. Cut Stones (shurikans updated into stones) + a staff with enhanced rock throw, are the reigning champs of weapons now.

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>>34194672
When the game is out for real, maybe

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>>34213827
Sniper thief is the best start you can get using weapons, but special action spam still beats it, right from the start, as does magic once that gets going. Main strength of sniper thief is that it's extremely simple and straightforward
also laser guns are better than sniper rifles even at the start
>press f, thing dies

As for ranged modifiers, it's only a 50% damage boost, not 100%.
Enchanced throwingrock plus an equip updated shuriken or panty is the best weapon you can get endgame, but I'd still rather use magic in 99% of scenarios if I'm just trying to win. Even some special actions are still viable at capped stats, and unlike weapons and magic, they don't need any kind of investment in magic and gear to be good.

tl;dr sniper thief is overpowered compared to a "normal" start, but as far as powergamey strategies go it's just okay

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>>34194672
Not yet.

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>>34206415
Did the etherwind mutate her hand?

[Anonymous No.]

How do I survive the early game as a lich?

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>>34228495
Don't get into fights. And if you do, hang back and let your little girl tank for you.

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>>34228495
Use a special action attack like hypnotism to weaken or damage enemies until you get a real attack of some kind. Buy a wizard of elea from the slave trader and let them and your little girl do the heavy lifting.

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>>34228495
Reroll a sniper thief and kill stuff before they see you.

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>>34120206
as >>34128590 said, skedaddle to anywhere with a casino item and save scum with a single casino chips, get 1 cure corruption for every 4 wins, repeat until you get many potions then skedaddle to noyel and give it to the sick mom, repeat until underphied.

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>>34223816
don't tease your little sister like that

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>>34209011
Not that anon, just felt like playing Elona again. What would be the most complete version for now with a decent translation?

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>>34234536
>decent translation
Custom-G.

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>>34235934
I think that's the last version I played. Pity so much seems to be untranslated and based around forks.

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>>34228495
Use spooky bois for role playing purpose.

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>>34218806
pure magik is true end game powar

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>>34239466
Most elements will be highly resisted. Magic will be resisted significantly less. Cut and Acid cannot be resisted by any means.

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>>34241160
>highly resisted
>still hit for 800k in a fat aoe when melee only hits for 100k to a single target
Also magic element is ass, use a real element like fire.

[Anonymous No.]

h*lolive sucks
vt*bers deserve death

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>>34244010
Melee hits in the millions, just because your magic build sucks for melee doesn't mean magic is stronger. Magic is nice for buffs, meteor, AOE and if you hate MA or getting good equips. But, melee/ranged are still the best for damage. Burst can clear out a whole screen, though melee is limited to swarm and shadow step.

[Anonymous No.]

does anybody knows what this error is?

HspError 12 WinError 3 Ver 3200 Mode 3
efId 0 efP 0 Area 15/1
ci 0#236 ti 0#236 cc 0#0 tc 0#0 rc 0#0
3. ctrlFile:game1:end ct:0
2. ctrlFilegdatan/end ct:0
1. map_init ct:0
0. ctrlFile1 ct:0
* invalid chara position 0#0(13/2) max(0/0)
* invalid chara position 2#354(13/3) max(0/0)
* invalid chara position 32#75(13/26) max(0/0)
* invalid chara position 33#160(16/25) max(0/0)
* invalid chara position 46#41(27/21) max(0/0)

I'm playing E+cg 1.89

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>>34244790
Does it happen on other versions too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34245087
no, only in cg

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>>34245118
I meant on other than 1.89

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>>34244790
>>33982217
>Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34245145
yeah it's only in 1.89
>>34245153
I tried before asking, didn't work.

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>>34245440
Why not just play 1.90 and up then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34245469
1.89 is the version I've been using since it came out, just haven't bothered to upgrade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34244127
>Melee hits in the millions
Not when magic is hitting for 800k, it isn't. It takes less than an hour of grinding after maxing stats for magic to hit that hard against level 6666 enemies.

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>>34245748
I can hit in the millions with static artifacts or just bare claws with MA. I don't know what you're doing wrong.

I assume you believe you need to farm sox to make progress, but that's just a meme. Resistances to magic and physical defense scale to about the same extent by endgame, and you can just use a light sabre if you still want pierce. You don't need to max your tactics/makrsman/weapon skill either. That just brings you into absurd overflow ranges.

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>>34245906
And how long did it take you to clear your first level 6666 dungeon with MA? How long did it take you to reach level 6666 yourself? Surely you aren't measuring your damage in baby dungeons with artificial inflation like fury and charge attack, are you?

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>>34245906
Can I make a pair of living claw? Never see a living claw before.

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>>34246057
I mean. I'm not sure what you expect, but it sure sounds like you've never tried yourself.

But, if it helps you sleep better at night I can clear 6666 awakened dungeons just fine. If anything, you do less damage to weaker enemies thanks to the /5 damage nerf (though this only affects bosses/uniques)

Don't get me wrong, magic is plenty powerful, you can clear challenges just fine and dandy, and you'll easily outscale capped monsters by virtue of buffing yourself and having better formulas. You can even wipe whole dungeon floors with meteor spam without ever seeing a living soul.

But weapons do more damage. It's a trade off, because of how flexible magic is. It's not like you *need* to do more damage either, most capped bosses have ~4Mhp IIRC and normal mobs will be weaker, so hitting for 1Mhp 4 times a turn to one shot them is nice and all, but completely overkill. And, grinding out even higher stats doesn't really get you anything except insurance in case you find something tankier.

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>>34246201
Why so afraid to answer the question?

I didn't ask you if you could do it. I asked you how long it took. And I know it took much longer than it took me, because magic scales much faster. You clearly don't understand how much faster.

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>>34246257
'Cuz I don't speed run games. I could say it took me 300 hrs, but I also haven't capped my base stats yet either. If you want a real speed benchmark you can set it yourself.

Assuming MA for simplicity.
1) grab 3 claws/tonfas
2) get resistance and spell buff gear
3) grab element eyes and set to either magic, nether, or cold/fire based on preference.
4) cap stats normally through herbs/baskets/pots
5) get rich and BS gear to 10, optional: farm stardust at parties for an hour for +15 claws.
6) use the continental shuffle to grind high dungeon levels.
7) use black gem.
8) raise life with ap, and season skills/buffs with skill points/spell points to taste.
9) profit.

Every one of these steps except claws /elemental eyes/ and stardust farming is the same for both mages and wizards. I'm not sure where you think the extra time to raise melee comes from, but I don't see it. Most of your + damage comes from attributes and +enhance on the claws. You can get more of course if you want to turn them into adamntium and heavy them up, but you really don't need to to clear out 6666 awakened dungeons.

Is this all leading to a wierd joke that using buffs makes this a magic style? I'm going to using them anyway.

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>>34246470
>I could say it took me 300 hrs
That's fine, we can take whatever excuses you want into consideration. Use turn count instead, or discount, say, 100 hours from leaving the game running while afk. It's not like either of us have real proof for anything so we're working on the honor system to begin with. Estimates are perfectly fine.
>If you want a real speed benchmark you can set it yourself.
I already did, that's why I know what I'm talking about. Do you want to hear about my firearms run?
>Is this all leading to a wierd joke that using buffs makes this a magic style?
No, obviously you would use buffs. Gotta spend those spell points on something.
>I'm not sure where you think the extra time to raise melee comes from, but I don't see it.
Partly poor AoE, part melee scaling with a lot of different things instead of having all its power consolidated in just one spell level, along with various other factors. Basically it all boils down to kill speed. You touched on this yourself when you mentioned overkill. In real, actual gameplay, melee just kills a lot slower, meaning it gains exp slower, takes longer to farm levels, takes longer to farm bonus points, and raises its skills/spells slower. That's why "builds" aren't a thing. My caster is probably better at MA than your MA main because it has capped Tactics, Martial Arts, Hero, and Concentration at this point, which it got in like 3 hours or something of farming exp. The reality is that bonus points are OP and whatever build can farm them the fastest wins. That's magic.

[Anonymous No.]

I love playing the game of dig up all the snow tiles.
Who even buries treasure in the snow? The elusive snow pirates?
It was to the south east if anyone was trying to guess.

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>>34246777
Weeelll. Not quite. The thing about melee, is you only really need either marksman or tactics. The weapon skill contributes only a tiny amount of damage, unless you are focusing on invokes, and those suck.

You'll be using perception crits for accuracy anyway so hit rate doesn't matter, except against enemies with greater evasion. You can just dim those with body slam or something.

Additionally, unlike spells, marksman and tactics are linear, 2x the level, 2x the multiplier. So if you reach 500 tactics you're already 1/4th of the way to the finish line. Not only that, but your main attributes provide a large chunk of your multiplier, so in practice you'll be at 50-70% power by the time you have 500 tactics/marksman anyway.

I'll give you MA in this specific example since it does scale damage/pierce too, but those cap by 550. Attribution does scale farther, IIrc it caps at 750 for magic, 1k for the others, but again, the goal isn't to overkill things, just beat capped dungeons so leaving it at 550 is fine.

So, you don't have to spend nearly as much time farming BP with melee as you seem to think you do. You'll be doing most of your grinding searching for spell points for buffs in both styles. Or grinding them with spellbooks. Shadow step and swarm are also a lot faster than you seem to think, though guns with burst are even faster. I really don't see how mages could compete with burst and a stockpile of ammo. You can't really use meteor to farm anymore with the 100 skill point cap.

Turns won't work, it's not like I just sit there staring at the screen, I run around doing random crap.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello frens, I've just gotten into elona and I'm loving it, don't really know what I'm doing but it doesnt matter because it's fun. I'm lvl 42 and I'm about to clear lesimas, I probably could have done it sooner but my party is mostly at lvl 20-25 (with the exception of the little girl) because I haven't leveled them as much as I should have been.

I'm probably nowhere near being able to do this yet, but is it possible to get a god into your party?

Specifically Lulwy, because need mommy dom gf

[Anonymous No.]

>>34247221
Yes, it's possible with an astral light pen. It'll probably take you a while though. Are you wanting her like, now, or are you thinking of this as a long term goal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34247221
ALP requires you to be at least half the level of the target, IIRC. Lulwy is lvl 350. You also need a bunch of magic ink, too but that's probably the easier grind.

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>>34247157
Obstinate blocks Perception crits, not Greater Evasion. If you had any real endgame experience you'd know this because you still roll non-crits on gravity floors despite having 5000 Per. Also you won't have 100% crit rate on your second attack, and your third and fourth attacks will have even worse rates. Without the hit rate from weapon skill, your theoretical maximum damage will be about the same but your actual, average damage will be noticeably lower. As an aside, have you seriously been bashing things because you couldn't hit them? Just use Blade Strings bro.

Burst ammo requires you to constantly switch out and reload your ammo. Obviously the playstyle that accomplishes the same thing but without the upkeep is better. Not even going to bother showing that spells outdamage even burst for large AoE anyway.

Casters don't need buffs the way melee needs them. Divine Wisdom actually does very little for ball spells, whereas Hero and Concentration together account for the majority of melee's damage. Buffs are crutches for melee to even compete in the same ballpark.

Your damage estimates have been wildly off, and I can tell you're factoring in retarded things like Charge Attack since you seem to think that just having capped Tactics and whatever will get you to "absurd overflow levels". Surprise, you've been memed on. In that case, spells do 5 billion "damage". That doesn't matter though because it's not about hurr durr big numbers, it's about how much damage you actually do under normal conditions against endgame enemies. Cherrypicking quadcrits and saying you hit for "millions" is absolutely retarded when you actually hit for that less than half the time.

Swarm has about 1/4 the coverage of a ball spell. At an equal level of investment, in an AoE situation, which is the majority of an awakened dungeon, Swarm is doing less than half of Fire Ball's total damage per turn due to hitting fewer targets. Melee also has to reposition between Swarm kills, further cutting into damage time.

I'll say this again because you keep dodging the crux of the issue: casters can reach voidcap levels within an hour of statcap. If you're lowering your standards to just barely scraping by the voidcap dungeon rather than facerolling it, then it takes even less than that, probably like 15-30 minutes.

Wanna guess how long it takes melee?

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks for the replies anons, I haven't played the game long enough to know if there's enough in the endgame to keep me here until lvl 175 but if there is I swear I will snag that goddess poontang.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anybody have some files I can slap in my game folder to make ElonaPlus look prettier?

The game is honestly fine as is, but I hope someone out there has made updated sprites so the male wizard in Palmia looks the exact same sprite as the female wizard in Vernis

[Anonymous No.]

>>34252390
Have you checked the pastebin?
>so the male wizard in Palmia looks the exact same sprite as the female wizard
For very specific things like this it's easiest to just toss individual sprites into /user/graphic rather than hope someone has made a sprite sheet with that one exact thing you want and none of the things you don't want. In this case, you want to copypaste your desired wizard sprite into /user/graphic and name them chara_13.bmp and chara_14.bmp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34252941
Perfect, thanks for the help anon that's exactly what I needed to know

[Anonymous No.]

>>34252021
Godspeed, newfriend.
>>34253092
No problem, also for future reference the sprite numbers are on the wiki for any other NPCs you might want to alter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34252021
At some point the amount EXP needed to reach the next level reaches a maximum and you start to gain levels quickly. I remember blasting a room full of enemies with gravity breath and getting two levels out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

I fucked up anons, I saved up a million gold so I could buy the land battleship because the name sounded really cool but I forgot taxes, I blew all my money on the battleship and got hit with a 200k bill that I was very much not ready for

[Anonymous No.]

>>34254699
You can make the money back very easily with trading and the huge cost make it more challenging which is better than snowballing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34255321
sold a lot of cargo, sold a lot of clothes, sold a lot of cure mutations, and cleared a lot of nefia, eventually paid my bill, hopefully the next one goes down or I will be in trouble

[Anonymous No.]

yo, does anyone has the image with all the keyboard controls?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34249646
Why are you requiring melee to hit 4 times? Magic only hits twice, you also can't get the max combines enchant with just rasen. Also, what do you mean bash, body slam is a MA skill. You can use grenade fist if you prefer, it's even AOE. Squeeze works too.

Not surprising you wont show anything for burst ammo, it's crazy op. Besides, you can get aoe invokes for physical attacks too, these calculations are ignoring all the static artifacts like rail gun.

For buffs, my strongest character was tackling capped dungeons with only 300-500 buffs. Like I said before, physical attacks have lots of linear scaling, this is true of the buffs as well, so you don't actually ever need to reach any skill or spell caps. This was back in 1.90 before the great buff buff, or weapon skill pierce buff, so you don't even need that many now. You are free to level up even higher if things pose a challenge to you.

Even by your own low estimates, at 100k a hit will still shred through most caped mobs, and only slow down on the boss. I'm guessing this was without things like more than 1 attack, or attribution too. MA gets a lot of OP buffs as spacts, why don't you use them? Charge attack only gives you x10 damage and only for the first hit. Overflow is around 35 million on a single hit, not the total attack. Without charge you're still getting 3+ million per hit, ignoring the non elemental damage or interlocking/proximity damage. If it's possible to do overflow at all, you have to be able to do crazy damage normally too.

You're also cherry picking range. Most of the time enemies don't converge on you like that unless you either wait for them or are using pets and wait for them to gather. If you are using a snail to skip the wait time on gather, then you can just set up your pets to do everything and make yourself useless. Everyone knows pet builds are broken. And you can still use burst. Or set up gun squads, too.

How would I know how long it takes you to not use physical skills? Besides this whole chain started because you said magic was a faster start than sniper thief, you don't even need to level sniper thief at the start, it'll level as you one-shot your way halfway through the game. I've just been humoring you as you move goal posts. Your magic screenshot only shows attributes too, you use herbs for those, not spells.

I mean, I understand. MA was at the top for years and now you're giddy that everyone can chase the top at super speed. But if you were really min maxing, then based on your arguments you'd start with sniper thief, use magic to farm points in act 2, then go right back to using physical attacks with those points. Since you said you capped MA, that means you think its stronger right at the top, right? You are speed running after all. Or did you just have so many extra skill points from trying level magic that you capped melee first?

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>>34256685
You're confusing me with other people.

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>>34256685
I'm the one who made the post saying sniper[laser] thief isn't that special and I stand by that.
It's very effective at killing things and clearing dungeons early on, and it's very similar a "normal" playstyle in what you'd focus on and how you progress, which is why I recommend it for people who otherwise wouldn't really know what they're doing.
It's always going to range from "great" to at the very least "decent", no matter what stage of the game someone is in and there are always simple and intuitive ways to progress it.

When it's compared to other powrgamey strategies, however, for someone who is already familiar with the game and knows they're doing, it's easy to notice some problems with it, namely:

>other things outclass it later on
not that it ever becomes bad, but it goes from being amazingly strong to just being decent, it'll certainly still be effective lategame, but you *can* do better.
>training sniper thief doesn't do anything other than make you a better sniper thief
Not that sniper thief is an unhelpful thing to be good at, but if you were planning on switching to magic later on, or even just wanted to switch to enchanced throwingrock, which scales with tactics instead of marksman, you're going to need to do some retraining. Special actions, on the other hand, can also be incredibly powerful early on, but they also directly train or are trained by useful non-combat skills. Similarly for magic, everyone can benefit from buffs.

>several other things like how it never really gets what I'd consider good AoE, gear mattering more than it does for magic and spacts, and enemies in awakened nefia with the obstinate trait often being annoying to fight.

Also I don't get why people like MA, I've always considered it kind of bad, both (hot take) before and after the changes.

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>>34256685
Real quick because I don't hav etime:

No. Dim sucks, literally all of those things suck. Spell invokes got destroyed by the spellpower update, worthless now with few exceptions, sucks cause Railgun was fun. Burst ammo is OP for single target but for AoE it's not as good. 100k is a loose approximation of how hard you'd hit with only 1 hour worth of grinding melee. Obviously with CM and Attr, you keep grasping at straws and failing. Impossible to overflow melee without charge attack or interlocking fusions. Melee doesn't hit that hard, let's compare damage screenshots and detailed conditions, unless you're just going to backpedal then no point. Did you mean I'm cherrypicking magic? Awakened AI, houzanha, multigather, summon monster. Sniper thief is just okay. Magic start kind of sucks, not talking about start, talking endgame only. Pets kind of suck now too because no BP. The purpose of the screenshot was just two things, playtime and Proper 8332, obviously doesn't show how I got there. This isn't an MMO, I don't have play one build all the time, I've experimented which is how I know. Trial and error, not just daydreaming. You fall for too many memes. Greater evasion, lol.

I maxed MA for fun, like I maxed necromancy, which fucking sucks. Points cap so gotta dump 'em somewhere even if it's trash. Obviously I maxed magic first and these are my leftovers, wtf did you think?

[Anonymous No.]

>server still under fucking maintenance.
REEEEEEE!!!! ELONA MOBILE IS DEAD TO MEEEEE~!

[Anonymous No.]

Fairy is best. They have magic and they are cute. Prove me wrong.

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>>34259250

>traps and magic users eat you for dinner
>no easy late game with ultraweight two hand weapon

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>>34258867
>necromancy, which fucking sucks
Oh yeah? Well my Trismagistus lets me do Magic Storm three times per turn! That's three times as many as you can do, Mr. Speedrun Wizard. Ha!

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>>34259550
>traps
Just cast the spell, duh.
>magic users
Your racial feat gives you extra resistances, you're better off than other races in the long run.
>no easy late game
Who cares?

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>>34259550
But they are cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34246936
>he can't guess the location based on a single landmark

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>>34258867
>Pets kind of suck now too because no BP.
What the heck is "BP"? You didn't mean "AP", right?

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>>34259657
Bonus points
All pets get from levelling are slight increases to HP and MP

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>>34259565
Oh no, oh no, don't-- look, I'm sorry, alright? You're right, necromancy is the best. You're the best. Don't let anyone tell you differently, anon.

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>>34259565
Necromancy is fun!

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>>34259579
>who care
You should if you say flying onaholes are the best
>racial feat
Doesn't matter when other race can have proper gear and eat food so they max all their resistance

Fairy is a gimmik race, but it lack the BADASS BIG DICK ENERGY that Snail has.

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>my race? catsister.

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>>34260129
>Fairy is a gimmik race, but it lack the BADASS BIG DICK ENERGY that Snail has.
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.]

I have problem anons, very new to elona and I'm trying to level my black angel but it's going to take 9000 years now that she's level 24 and I don't have any higher level pets to fuse with, I read kai's guide but it seems all that's left for me is quests and dungeons. Is there a more efficient way to get her levels than standing and letting her kill everything in sight?

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>>34258293
Guns are amazing. You just don't like 'em because they require you to manage things. Going back to your gunner build, did you *actually* get a proper gun build, or did you just call it quits and do something else once your timer ran out? They do tons of damage late game, but that does take gearing up weapons or using tactics. I suppose you could just use living weapons.

Invokes weren't nerfed or anything. Their proc rate was actually buffed recently. They are however usually based on weapon skill, and not buffed by enhances gear. So, I mostly ignored them for my initial argument. But, they are still amazing with burst/rapid and you seem to be obssesd with multigather and aoe. "Pets aren't so great, but my entire strategy depends on them" and all that. Some are still plenty good single target though, like breath attacks or gravity ball. But, it's a bit harder to find those easily.

As for MA. Everyone knows why MA was memed as the greatest. Kai's favorite class, at a time when he was the only one posting endgame builds. In his tests MA always won. I guess you're too new for that though. As for now, MA is on par with 2 hand, but you don't need to care as much about gear if you use MA, so I used it in my example. You seem terrified of having to work with gear.

Necromancy is great but it's fun, so of course you hate it.

>>34258867

Dim is just to disable dodging. This is to cover edge cases. How often do you actually worry about greater evasion? DV is a meme. I have never played an MMO, so I really don't know what you're going on about with that. I also wasn't advertising melee to overflow, I said it hit in the millions. It does. You *can* overflow it, but it'd be useless if you had that happening all the time.

And, why are you talking about only endgame? This started with recommending sniper thief as a start. You keep trying to run away from that. Guns do great damage at endgame, but you're supposed to know that already, right? You even said it was OP up at the top of your comment. Your earlier argument was that it took too long to get there, now you're trying to say it can never even be reached?

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>>34262222
Herbed foods and picnic baskets, anon

[Anonymous No.]

What do i do with the statue/rare monsters meat?
Can i turn them into my minion by necromancy? I tried turning some beast from quest statue into a coffin but all it gave me was a dead cat...

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>>34262725
What are you trying to get at anon.
you're making a lot of assumptions and too many of the things you're saying are wrong.

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>>34264937
They're just rank 10 meat dishes, eat them or sell them or dip antiseptic on them and use them as decoration.

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>>34264967
what about the statue? are there any guide about necromancy?
i want to experiment a lot but the mana crystal is so damn rare

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>>34265010
First pastebin has a necromancy guide.
Since it doesn't mention it, I'll tell you to always stay away from enemies, since zombies level up insanely fast in the early game and you'll be tackling higher level Nefias than you would otherwise, which will make you easily the weakest thing in the whole dungeon.

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>>34265010
The statues are the rank 10 dishes.

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>>34264948
Assuming you're the same person I've been responding to:

That weapon skills are easier than magic, take you all the way to whatever crazy endgame goals someone may have, and are more beginner friendly. Thus, I recommended sniper thief.

I do not necessarily believe they do all these things things at the same time. But you started going in weird tangents about 800k damage vs 100k and speed running and power gaming. ...do you honestly think weapons cap out at 100k damage? I'll give you that you were replying to someone about resistance, but you seem to think I'm insane for saying they can hit a million without charge attack. That's why I can't believe any of your claims about the weapon skills, it's such an easy thing to test if you really have maxed MA.

I'm also not quite sure how you're counting damage. Magic hits once or twice if you count combines. Weapons can hit anywhere from 1 time to 640 times each depending on style, enchants, ammo, etc. Are you only counting the highest number? Their sum total? The average per target? Are you counting all the targets magic hits vs the highest single number skills can pull? Are we assuming only MA's first attribution amount matters because damage drop off? Later on you switched to kills per second when riding a snail with a pet using gather. Are we assuming pets? No pets? Are the pets all set to talk mode? Are they using weapon skills too? There's a ton of stuff I let slide by only responding to your complaints. You have an entire extended play style built around using magic, so it's not surprising you have a hard time forcing it to work with weapons.

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>>34262725
>Assuming you're the same person I've been responding to
They're not. You've been arguing with multiple people throughout this thread, none of them have "moved goalposts" or gone on "weird tangents". They're just different people saying different things. The only thing they have in common is that they disagree with you more than each other, I guess.
>How often do you actually worry about greater evasion?
You are, apparently. Greater evasion does not do what you think it does. I do get the misunderstanding, but it stems from the fact that you clearly don't know what Obstinate even is. You have too little game knowledge and a lot of the things you think you know are just factually wrong.

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So when's mobile hitting full release? what's the reward for early users?

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>>34270953
>what's the reward for early users?
Some type of bonus if you reached level 16 if I recall correctly.

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>>34256685
>Charge attack only gives you x10 damage and only for the first hit. Overflow is around 35 million on a single hit, not the total attack. Without charge you're still getting 3+ million per hit, ignoring the non elemental damage or interlocking/proximity damage. If it's possible to do overflow at all, you have to be able to do crazy damage normally too.

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why people would play the mobile version? ain't mobile version created so it would bring you back to elona+ ?
am i doing it wrong?
it is just too boring... in elona i died a lot of times just to get on my feet
but in mobile it literally just follow the straight line and you will still not die even in lesimas

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>>34269636
Dude. I mentioned it *once* then replied to other people bringing it up. If greater evasion doesn't do anything then move on with your life. This goes to everyone who'll be replying for you to.

And.. if you aren't one of the other people in the reply chain, then feel free to only consider the points that actually replied to you.

>>34271639
...are you saying magic can't do overflow even with charge? Are you confusing the first hit with the first damage number? Not sure what the point of that is.

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>>34275581
based

[Anonymous No.]

NEW THREAD WHERE

[Anonymous No.]

>>34274950
I'm just looking forward to playing elona with other anons

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>>34262725
>Guns are amazing. You just don't like 'em because they require you to manage things. Going back to your gunner build, did you *actually* get a proper gun build, or did you just call it quits and do something else once your timer ran out?
I made two fusion capped elemental damage laserguns, one for me and one for an evolved android. I had two more evolved androids, one with Rail Gun and one with a living gun with a nice invoke on it, I forget what it was now. The androids mainly used rapid ammo, I had an assortment of different ammo types. One of the androids was hybrid melee/ranged and had max vorpal, so she could inflict -3 prot for the rest of the party. Another android had Variable Storm (chaos) for some AoE and status effects. This was back before the fire element buff and combines enchant. Everyone had Garok boots, the melee android had Mighty Arms, one android had Metal Wing, me and the third android had randart interlocking cloaks. I buffed the androids with Alchemical Rain, and we went to town with Fire a Volley. After everyone was statcapped, I added 6 more androids, and played that save for about 200 hours until I got bored because I couldn't come up with 6 more custom tone files, which made the new androids bland and unfun to play with. Now if I use a pet, I always write a custom tone file for it. It really livens up the mood.
Okay, next accuse me of not having tried Two Hand.
>Invokes weren't nerfed or anything.
Spell dice were nerfed in 2.01, and made up for with +300% spell enhance. For actual spells, these two factors more or less cancel each other out by endgame. Invokes are affected only by the dice nerf and not the spell enhance buff, leaving them weaker than before. Conversely, buff spells were only affected by the buff and not the nerf (they didn't have dice to begin with), which is why they're so much stronger now.
>Their proc rate was actually buffed recently.
The only proc rate that was buffed was Shining Wave more than a year ago and that's irrelevant in more ways than one.
>Some are still plenty good single target though, like breath attacks or gravity ball.
are you serious
>you seem to be obssesd with multigather
I literally mentioned it in passing once. Who's obsessed with it again?
>I also wasn't advertising melee to overflow
Also you:
>You don't need to max your tactics/makrsman/weapon skill either. That just brings you into absurd overflow ranges.
>This started with recommending sniper thief as a start.
No, it didn't. I'm not even following your conversation with that other anon on sniper thief, I just threw out my opinion after you mentioned it directly to me. If it sounds like I'm arguing on someone's behalf that's purely by coincidence. I don't much care about sniper thief either way. My talk with you is about endgame.
>800k damage vs 100k
I said "still hit for 800k in a fat aoe when melee only hits for 100k to a single target". The key word being WHEN. They happen at around the same time in equivalent playthroughs, with equivalent amounts of grinding. If you spend more time grinding melee then of course it'll do more damage.
>you seem to think I'm insane for saying they can hit a million without charge attack
I don't think that. You're mistaken about a lot of things but melee hitting for a million without a charge attack is not one of them.
>I'm also not quite sure how you're counting damage.
Average damage per target per turn.
>Later on you switched to kills per second when riding a snail with a pet using gather.
No, that's on you. Go on, ctrl+f "snail" and see if you can find it in any one of what you think are my posts.
>Are we assuming pets? No pets?
We use pets when it's optimal, and we retire them when that's no longer the case. Maxing a pet's stats has no opportunity cost. Surprisingly, due to what I can only assume is a bug, raising a pet's AP ALSO has no opportunity cost. So right off the bat you're essentially handed a max stat, high life pet for free. That's quite valuable... at first. But when the player's levels explode thanks to Plus's poorly thought out exp formula, the pet quickly becomes irrelevant by comparison. True, you could spend time catching the pet up separately, but due to pets not getting BP, as well as yet another bug which disfavors pets, any time that you spend on the pet would be more efficiently spent on the player. Without spending time on the pet, it'll just get slaughtered in voidcap dungeons constantly, even with capped stats. Since I tend to get attached to my pets I just let them lounge around at home rather than die an ignoble death but either way they're not present in the fight.
>Are the pets all set to talk mode?
Go try out talk mode in a voidcap dungeon and you'll know the answer.
>There's a ton of stuff I let slide by only responding to your complaints.
And you're probably wrong about most of those too, given your pitiful track record.

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>>34275581
>charge
Not very bright, are you?

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't played elona in like a year and a half, wanting to get back into it and actually beat the thing. Last time I stopped I was in act 2 or whatever, the second map
Skimming through all these anons arguing about endgame, can I ask what build I should be aiming for to get there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34277251
What sort of build are you right now, and how strong are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>34277251
Just use whatever sounds cool or fun to you. Those guys are arguing about weird stuff that won't matter to 95% of players.

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>>34277251
Endgame, at least in Plus discussion, generally refers to fighting in awakened nefia where everything has capped stats, among other things.
All the story content is early to mid-game, and pretty much anything works there as long as you commit to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>34277367
I gave my black angel a whip for reasons, if only she could whip me irl :(

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>>34277367
Haha, I don't understand them either but come on it doesn't matter to you because all that "weird stuff" is alien to you as well.
I think it's very important, nobody, not even the wiki explain well things like greater evasion etc. If you take and search for Obstinate for exemple, you won't find anything other than a mention of it being a feat somewhere. These 2 (or 3) anons arguing is very convenient.

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>>34278583
For Obstinate, look in the AP article or search "traitobstinate". At endgame, critical hits do triple damage and always hit, so they're vital to physical builds. Info on critical hits is in the Eye of Mind article, which explains the two main ways to land a critical hit. The first way, Perception, is the most important because you can get Perception higher than 5000, which means you have 100% crit rate. That's why the second way, which can only go up to 30%, doesn't matter. Perception crits also ignore Greater Evasion, which is why Greater Evasion doesn't matter either. However, all forms of crit, even Perception crits, have a chance of being negated by Obstinate. Enemies don't normally get Obstinate or other AP feats until you start awakening dungeons, at which point suddenly half the mobs get it. And I do mean literally half.