/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

[Anonymous No.]

A place for discussion of the works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON. Please advise in the thread if any of the links below need to be updated.

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (in Japanese)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Kara no Kyoukai – the Garden of Sinners
Kara no Kyoukai novel (in Japanese)
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/%E5%A5%88%E9%A0%88%E3%81%8D%E3%81%AE%E3%81%93_%E7%A9%BA%E3%81%AE%E5%A2%83%E7%95%8C/index.html
English translations by cokesakto
https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
Kara no Kyoukai Anime Movies
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
MELTY BLOOD PC Collection (updated 2018-05-30)
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate
Fate stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2725572
Fate hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate Zero
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5943-Lord-El-Melloi-II-Case-Files?p=3041785&viewfull=1#post3041785
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/fQFiyY4I#UcZr7N0u3_35994pXKP8qw

>Mahou Tsukai no Yoru - Witch on the Holy Night
VN: https://mega.nz/#F!YVkkhAjQ!Ggu2BS3MDfaofporByJsFw
English Patch: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nUY3G5Z8tgBnfvELhbLiYhmLolDI2TwC/
French Patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

Other works
>Angel Voice (A doujin anthology that contains the short novel "Notes." written by Nasu, and the Manga "clowick canaan-vail" drawn by Takeuchi.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Fate Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Fate Extra
https://cdromance.com/psp/fate-extra-mod/
>Fate Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
https://mega.nz/#!aAsCybqb!WwnKiMn_HK9HqvA_myhLn5GM0yeAv8TTxyQsWWpqaGs
>Fate strange Fake
https://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read
>Fate type Redline
https://mangadex.org/title/44059/fate-type-redline
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade manga
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/lli17cum6jzg7/Marmalade
>Tsuki no Sango
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
>Tsuki no Sango Manga
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1

Other links
>Beast's Lair
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ
>Fate/complete material II Character material.
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d (embed)
>Fate Art Books
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nmo3TqWLRgvl9M7MxzuWKDe3rAP1LVut?
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Type-Moon Comic Ace
https://web-ace.jp/tmca/
>TMdict
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc)
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime Archives
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>TYPE-MOON 10th Anniversary Phantasm translation
http://heavens-feel.com/type-moon_10_anniversary_phantasm_translation.html

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[Anonymous No.]

>>33918006
Please don't shit this thread up with discord shittery.

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>>33918022
This.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anyone who read Tsukihime that actually likes the redesigns? I honestly don't get what Nasu and Takeuchi were going for.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
>don't get what Nasu and Takeuchi were going for.
Probably some shit about the designs being more mordern

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918022
inb4 shitty discord drama

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
Yeah, I like both old and new designs. I'd imagine the silent majority is leaning this side as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918157
I think the "silent majority" will grow to accept it, but the sameface is so severe that I don't see anybody pretending they're just as good

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918157
As a hater, I think most people just don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918181
If Takeuchi is so incredibly lazy with the multi-billion dollar FGO that is 100% dependent on good art that gets whales to dump money, I can't imagine how lazy he'll get with the sprites in the remake.

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>>33918104
They're fine, I don't like the more modern Takeuchi faces but the designs themselves are about as good or better than the original except for Arc's skirt.

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>>33918104
I like Akiha's a lot

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>>33918114

[Anonymous No.]

And yeah, been a long time since we broke 1k in a thread.
I think the initial announcement didn't even break it, I think we have to go back to the first or 2nd /tmg/ thread.

[Anonymous No.]

is nuMelty Blood a remake or a sequel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918527
prequel to TsukiRe apparently

[Anonymous No.]

ちょっとだけ外した。

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
Everything from New melty, except the UI looks CLEAN

[Anonymous No.]

Are the HF BDs going to have subs?

[Anonymous No.]

Does post fate route Illya have large amount of mana she got from the grail like Sakura after heaven feel ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
i just hate takeuchi's new art style in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
Yes I do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
I think every character is improved except Arcueid

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918181
Takeuchi was always sameface. Everyone just thought it was SOUL back then because less skill meant less consistency.

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>>33919300
>>33918307
But why Akiha? Why is making her skirt black better than the vibrant red?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33919312
Not true desu

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>>33919332
>Why is making her skirt black better than the vibrant red?
It at least doesn't make it worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>there's people that actually believe this
Surely you aren't this delusional, right, /tmg/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33919332
It's kinda weird that a character that doesn't like blood would wear something that resembles it so strongly

[Anonymous No.]

>>33919332
It looks more formal which I think fits her personality more. Might just be me

[Anonymous No.]

>>33919461
Idk I've seen less expected things happen

[Anonymous No.]

>console exclusive

[Anonymous No.]

Why did Nasu betray us again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33920159
He doesn't give a shit about anything, but F/GO

[Anonymous No.]

>>33920159
Money

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>>33919312
This is a dumb thing to say when Arcueid's redesign specifically removed her long eyelashes that helped make her face look distinct from others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33919300
I think every character is worse except Ciel since I never liked Ciel to begin with.

>>33919332
The black hairband with her black hair bothers me more.

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>>33920288
ciel design was dogshit yeah, add to that her personality
never understood what people liked about her

[Anonymous No.]

>>33920159
all he wants to do is have big DBZ powerlevel fights everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

I actually feel bad being a turkeyhandle fan now.

[Anonymous No.]

What are some others examples of vn remakes with major rewrites?

[Anonymous No.]

>it doesn't need to have the 5 original routes
>it doesn't need to have a sacchin route
>it doesn't need to not have a ton of dbz tier fights

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>>33920159
You know why.

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I used to be super into TM. All the way up until F/GO.
I miss it. I had fun with TM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33921760
Did you try FGO back when it launched and we didn't know how bad it would be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
I only like Akiha's and the maids but I don't really care anymore. I've come to make peace with it considering this was known for years.

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>>33921900
Kind of sort but not really.
I flirted with it when it launched in Japanese. Then when it got an English release I had already decided that I don't really have time to play it and that I'd be happier not to. And I am not exactly fond of F/GO overall. And today I pretty much hate it.

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>>33918104
Pretty much all are direct downgrades, only Ciel is kinda alright, but that's only because I didn't like her in the original.

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I hate waking up and knowing that Nasu saying he didn't want to release shit on PC just because he didn't feel like it was not just a bad dream I had.

[Anonymous No.]

>inb4 no Neco-Arc in MBTL

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>>33918104
I like the redesigns except Arc.
God what were they thinking? She looked so nice as she was

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
Yeah I'll agree with pretty much everyone and say that Arcueid's pretty bad (they even had better ones, like holy shit why did they choose to pick the worst), but every one else is sort of okay. I'm not super fond of the new "more round" (I don't really have a better word for it) art style, but the design themselves didn't really change otherwise.
Oh and I also hate Sacchin's, but who cares, she's probably not getting a route at this point.

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>>33918104
only redesign i don't really like is arc's. i think the remake did an upgrade with the designs overall. arihiko and akiha have the biggest upgrades of them all desu.

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>>33922889
Arihiko is probabaly the only character who's new design I completely prefer to the OG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
The redesign are okay, except Arc, christ I don't know why they did that. Her hold hair where perfect, and the clothing change dosn't make sense either.

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In the unlikely hypothetical case we actually get the far side routes someday I wonder how the fuck will Hisui's route be rewritten considering Nasu now is a shonen powerlevelfag.

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>>33920992
Kimiita got a major rewrite/rework. I've actually only played the original one and not the 2010 remake yet. The remake has actual routes and removed a lot of the old mechanics (like exploring around the ton) to make it more like a VN and less like a dating sim-type game.

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>>33923127
i really hope nasu's just making the near side more shouneny so the tone shift of the far side routes would be much more unexpected.

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>>33918104
I only dislike Arc. Everyone else is the same or an upgrade for me so it's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33917702
It's actually cheaper than Mahoyo's first press edition.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember these designs?
What could have been.

[Anonymous No.]

FUCK doomposters. I'm excited for the remake.

Pros:
>Full HD (720p VNs are still common sadly)
>Full voice acting
>90 song OST with Fukusawa (Mahoyo guy) as lead composer
>Kirikiri engine (Mahoyo engine) + BLACK as scripter/graphics
>completely rewritten routes that are double in length; a 45 hour game total
>Z rating on console (means anything is on the table short of literal porn)
>100 page material book

Cons:
>console only (that's okay we have Yuzu)
>Arc's redesign
>No far side

Overall it's a win in my book.

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>>33923313
Wow they could have been exactly the same as the designs from 22 years ago. Truly we have been robbed of ever seeing these designs used.

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>>33923313
What happened to Takeuchi's art between then and now?

[Anonymous No.]

>all this complaining about fights
Chuuni fights have been a thing since forever in Type-Moon. What's wrong with you people? If you don't like Nasu autistically describing the action while characters infodump their powers, why are you even here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33923531
he makes billions of yen doing literally nothing, at that point you just stop giving a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>33923397
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>33923397
Everything's looking good aside from the fact that we'll have to wait 8 years for an actual translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33923921
>actual translation
Anon I....

One of my primary motivations for learning moon was on the off chance Tsuki R ever got released. I got good enough for untranslated VNs like 3 years old. Should have been prepared my man.

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>>33923974
>3 years old
3 years ago*

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>Interviewer: By the way, was it really impossible to release Tsukihime R as a smartphone app like FGO?
>Nasu: A few years back, we were thinking that if we don't release it on phones nobody would play it, so we were thinking of releasing it in a compact form. After all, so many people are playing FGO. But I have noticed something, playing lots of games on phones myself. No matter how good of a game it is, I just forget the contents after a day. Because I can get the game so easily, play it so easily, clear it so easily. my memories just get overwritten. If the game is the type where you just enjoy it's one-idea design every day, then that's fine. But Tsukihime R is the opposite of that, so I thought it's best if you sit down to play it.
>Takeuchi: Smartphone apps are so easy to consume, that's why you don't feel them physically with your body. For me digital manga are the same thing. How should I put this, compared to actually picking up a manga it just feels like "I'm viewing information."
>Nasu: Right, reading digital manga really does feel like reading it as "material". No matter how interesting the manga might be, reading it digitally you just consume "pictures + text" and while you "enjoy it" you also feel like you are "exhausting it". That's wonderful in itself... after all your get information quicker that way... but Tsukihime R is not something that updates every week. I believe it's best enjoyed slowly. Also I played it on a 50 inch TV once, and the impact was incredible... even if you don't have that, I'd recommend at least a above 24 inch monitor, and you'll never have felt as blessed by something before.

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>>33924034
Finally, Nasu admits FGO is unmemorable.

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>>33923974
>I got good enough for untranslated VNs like 3 years old. Should have been prepared my man.
I studied Japanese. Then I read a VN in Japanese and thought I understood it fine. Then only after the fact I learnt of how I had completely misunderstood several key plot points and elements as a result of my lacking Japanese.
Now the sensible approach from there would have been an analysis of where i went wrong and to keep up or even up my studies of the language. Instead I lost motivation and completely stopped studying. And now almost a decade later I can barely read kana and have forgotten like all but a couple kanji. And I can't understand shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33924034
THEN WHY ARE YOU RELEASING IT ON SWITCH YOU FUCKING HACK FRAUD

[Anonymous No.]

>>33924238
Kanji is hard as fuck bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>33924424
A PC + Switch release would have been the most logical thing. Nobody cares about PS4. It's weird that they are even bothering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33924238
studied in school? of course you didn't understand shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33924238
I know it's kind of late now, but the answer to your problem probably was literally just "read more". If all you did was misunderstood some plot points, that likely just means you got grammar mixed up/confused. It's not a big deal; it happens when you're not used to it. E.g. it took me some time to grasp the しか form of verbs.

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>>33923547
Yeah I'm not sure what people were expecting with more DAA involvement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33923397
Based

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>>33924819
It's literally just this. I got through like 20 or so vns all the way through before my comprehension got any good. Now it's 6 years on and I've read all the TM vns in Japanese (the translations all suck by the way) and I'm ready to read Tsukihime R on day one. 13 years after the remake was announced no one has any excuse.

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>>33925304
>the translations all suck by the way
you say this like everybody didn't know that

[Anonymous No.]

>>33924582
>It's weird that they are even bothering.
It's probably just a case of picture related, but for Type-Moon.
Aniplex has been an important partner for Type-Moon and now they want to hold onto that relationship through gestures like this.

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>>33925304
>(the translations all suck by the way)
why?

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[Anonymous No.]

>>33926022
Everybody knows that each translation layer adds subtle to grand loss of information.
Either because the translation was badly done.
Either because the target language can't grasp all internal linguistic aspects of the original.
And japanese is a language where there are things you can't just translate. If you try to do that, you either will make a cringe localization or will flat out create text.

[Anonymous No.]

Now, I don't know anything about Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, Melty Blood, Melty Blood Re-ACT, Melty Blood Act Cadenza, Melty Blood Actress Again, Tsuki no Sango, Notes, Mahoutsukai no Yoru, Fate/stay night, Hollow ataraxia, Unlimited codes, Tiger colosseum, Fate/zero, Garden of Avalon, Koha-Ace, Take Moon, Carnival Phantasm, Emiya Gohan, Prisma Illya, Prisma Illya 2wei, Prisma Illya 3rei, Type Redline, Apocrypha, Case Files, Prototype, Prototype Fragments, Labyrinth, Strange Fake, Extra, Extra Last Encore, CCC, CCC Foxtail, Extella, Extella Link, Requiem, or Fate/Grand Order.

But I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>33926516
>And japanese is a language where there are things you can't just translate.
No such thing.

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>>33926022
Takajun could barely understand english when he worked on Tsukihime and F/SN
F/HA is some literall nightmare of different people and MTL
I don't remember details for F/E but there were a bunch of errors and over localization
CCC is being done by a group that picked up the game before even reading it, then pretty much disbanded, and now the guy that was in charge of reading wiki articles is the new lead translator. He didn't even know japanese when the project started.
I know nothing about the Extella TL besides that some lore in that lore-book thingy they did was mistranslated. Because the team had never read a fate game before they got hired.
MCjon mahoyo was done by a guy that took 1 year of japanese in highschool, hollow moon is done by discord server full of tranny weebs that are translating from french while and totally have people that are really good at japanese and can check everything to be accurate, that's why they're not just translating from japanese.
F/GO is done by aniplex, not only do they constantly have errors they also just make shit up sometimes because they're bored. Also claim they're totally in constant contact with the japanese side but had a translation error in the game for 2 years and then fixed it without telling anyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>33926685
>No such thing.
t. localizators union

[Anonymous No.]

>>33926690
>tfw a chink ESL has the best quality Type-Moon VN T/L
Apologize to Takajun. In the grand scheme of things, it could be a lot worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33926711
t. retard

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>>33926690
>F/HA is some literall nightmare of different people and MTL
Never forget.

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>>33926022
Aside from the usual issues with translations, Nasu's writing style is genuinely very distinct and strange. Even people that hate his writing don't dispute this. It's extremely difficult to convey such a peculiar and characteristic style in another language.

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>>33926803
You can tell that much even from the translations. Stop sniffing your own farts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33926869
Upset EOP detected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33926902
Coping retard detected.

[Anonymous No.]

Melty Interview TL for EOPs
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8883-Melty-Blood-Type-Lumina?p=3112826&viewfull=1#post3112826

[Anonymous No.]

>>33926945
Don't forget your reps today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33926727
Isn't he the guy that came up with demon/daemon bullshit? I'll never forgive him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33927272
Huh, what do you mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33927654
JP type moon demon powerlevel goes
魔 -> 悪魔 -> 真性悪魔
demons -> devil -> true devil
english TM fandom has it as
demon -> daemon - > true daemon
leading to nobody knowing what the fucking difference is

[Anonymous No.]

>>33927901
>悪魔 -> 真性悪魔
Aren't these extra shit? I has nothing to do with him if so.

[Anonymous No.]

Where did this scan come from, by the way? Some digital edition? Is there a pdf version, perhaps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918104
I'm fine with the new designs just not happy with arc losing her grandma skirt

[Anonymous No.]

>>33927966
It goes back to f/ha and probably tsuki too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928019
Her hair where also way better in the original.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928251
they killed Ciel too, she looks like an NPC now

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928199
I don't really remember. Len was a 魔. I know that for sure. 悪魔 is too generic I'm afraid but perhaps you're right. Maybe it was namedropped in F/HA. F/HA wasn't Takajun though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33927983
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fDc-PQn642cgVDECLUJUuKN1KhECsXR7/view?usp=sharing
there's also an epub version which has higher quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928289
>there's also an epub version which has higher quality
on nyaa*
also, on ehentai like always https://e-hentai.org/g/1875217/77c6e0a24f/

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928289
Oh, that's good. I like using stuff like this for practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33923397
>No far side
That there is one huge fucking con and you forgot no h-scenes.
Inb4 lmao nasu sex scene writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>33923397
>No Hisui route
Would Nasu even be able to write a bedridden Shiki going insane taking up the majority of the route nowadays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33923397
Cons:
Changed setting
Possible relation to FGO
Increasing powerlevels because Nasu is now an unironic powerlevels retard
Changed VA

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928540
Type-Moon has like 2 good H scenes max in their entire career. Why the fuck would you want them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928602
There is no relation FGO other than generic nasuverse shit like "hahaha look the 27 DAAs started in tsukihime". Stop sperging out over that one part of the interview you're misreading. It was aimed at FGO players not you.

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>>33928655
That's why I said possible, numnuts. We have no idea what changes Nasu made but mentioning FGO at all is a major red flag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928540
Would cherish that forever, but it won't happen sadly

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928623
because they are meme tier shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928751
So you're just an ironic weeb then. Where do you people come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928540
I think it is a crime that we get no H-scenes

[Anonymous No.]

>FGO has a Sion
>the new Melty won't
What in the fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928602
What's wrong with the changed setting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928289
I may be retarded, but I can't fucking find the epub anywhere on nyaa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928694
It's not "possible". You're just being retarded because the interviewer said FGO at one point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928920
Nothing. Retards complain about everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928995
You have a lot of faith in a man who unironically said "i made it a console exclusive because TVs are more cinematic for VNs"

>>33928920
Ties into the powerlevels autism. He only changed it so that the JRPG laser fights Arc will have can do more damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928814
i guess you just take things too seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>33929039
What the flying fuck is wrong with having some bigger fights? Do you not like chuuni fights? That's part of the entire appeal. Valid criticism is fine, but people like you will complain about literally anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928920
If anything giving Tsukihime a busier urban setting only supports the story. It makes sense considering the hotel massacre, and the alleyways surrounded by tall buildings. It also means Nasu won't be retreading old ground he's covered with Mahoyo's setting - I think I read somewhere that this was one reason for the change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33928751
>>33929049
When I read eroge, I want actual good ero. I'm not like for "meme shit" whatever that means. Type-Moon's ero has always been shit, so there's really no real loss here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33929088
Because the smaller scale of the original was one of its benefits, and I have very little faith in Nasu not making the fights into generic JRPG laser fights in like FGO.

Why are you deadset on defending every little dumb change Nasu has made? Do unironic Nasu fanboys even still exist after TM jumped the shark?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33918006
That is a really cute pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>33929120
i guess hisui's and kohaku's h-scenes were interesting. Not the sex and visuals but the way the characters reacted to it

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>>33929126
It's the same engine as Mahoyo. It's the same scripter/graphics guy (BLACK) as Mahoyo. And importantly, it's the same format as Mahoyo (NVL). I don't know about FGO because it's fucking shit and I don't care, but they specifically said in the interview that this was made to be totally different than what they did with FGO. The fights are going to be like Mahoyo as always.

>Why are you deadset on defending every little dumb change Nasu has made?
You're just bitching and whining about every single change. It's annoying.

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>>33929126
Oh and the scale argument is also fucking dumb. F/SN had events that would have triggered the fucking counter force but I don't see you complaining about that.

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>>33929111
That's actually kinda nice, I thought they just made misaki town bigger in TsukiRe, which could fit in the mahoyo timeline.

>I think I read somewhere that this was one reason for the change.
If you find the source please post, the setting change is an interesting part that I don't see many talking about.

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>>33929181
I don't care that its related to Mahoyo and you're delusional if you think the engine can somehow mess with a VN's story. And you're also delusional if you think Nasu's work in FGO is not gonna influence this story.

>The fights are going to be like Mahoyo as always.
Did you even read the fucking interviews you idiot? Nasu flat out said that he wants to make the fights bigger and their effects more devastating so that's why he moved the setting into the big city.

>You're just bitching and whining about every single change. It's annoying.
If you want to considering criticism bitching and complaining that's on you, retard. Go circlejerk somewhere else.

>>33929205
FSN is FSN and isn't changing a pre-established story. What kind of retarded argument is this? Nasu is retroactively making one of his old story more "TOTALLY EPIC AND COOL" to try and draw in the FGO tards that won't buy the game.

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Who would be your pick for the obligatory FGO rep in melty?
Dantes would be a good choice but I'd prefer the not!True Ancestor horsecock addict.

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>>33929126
>laser fights in like FGO
>FGO
>the fucking saber vs rider rooftop fight, just to name one

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>>33929300
Okay yeah you're an EOP that hasn't read Mahoyo then. When I said the fights are "going to be like Mahoyo", I was clearly referring to the graphic/scripting work as well as the prose/text. The scale "argument" is not really valid since Aoko uses the fucking 5th magic at one point and everyone agrees chapter 12 is epic as fuck. If "body count" is your only measuring stick, okay bu it's high stakes as hell.

>Nasu is retroactively making one of his old story more "TOTALLY EPIC AND COOL"
It's a remake you idiot. Of course he can rewrite some things. There's literally nothing inherently wrong with having some more fights. You're complaining for the sake of it.

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>>33929181
I lost the quote but Nasu said that Mahoyo was like a movie and TsukiR is more like entertainment and so they will be different.
What he meant with this evades me, motherfucker should learn to speak human language

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>>33929326
I'd honestly prefer if they kept Melty and FGO separate. I pick Nightingale though

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>>33929380
He said F/SN was more like entertainment too. Nasu viewed Mahoyo as more of a personal/artistic piece. That's why it's kinetic with no voices and so on. Tsuki R is more "mass friendly" by default since it has the typical routes, is fully voiced, etc. In terms of artistic value, they will of course be different and no one would argue otherwise. It just means Tsuki R is more like a traditional VN though. That's all.

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>>33929438
I see, thank you for explaining

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>>33929362
Mahoyo doesn't matter since Mahoyo isn't Tsukihime. Their powerlevels don't matter, just like how FSN's powerlevels don't matter.

>Of course he can rewrite some things. There's literally nothing inherently wrong with having some more fights. You're complaining for the sake of it.
And I'm criticizing it for changing things that didn't need changing for the sake of appealing to retards. It could work out, but I have very little faith in Nasu's abilities to not make it into a generic JRPG laser battle like in FGO. You're the one getting ass blasted over the fact that someone dared to criticize the masterpiece that is TsukiR despite the fact that we have no idea of the quality.

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>>33929519
Of course Mahoyo matters, I've already explained why. It's their last proper VN. Of fucking course everyone is going to compare Tsuki R to it. And like I already said it has the same engine and staff. The text format is NVL A.K.A. long form prose/text like a novel. FGO, on the other hand, is an ADV game. That's a major difference.

>And I'm criticizing it for changing things that didn't need changing for the sake of appealing to retards.
God forbid a fucking true ancestor vs dead apostle fight has more death and destruction. What a fucking kusoge. Nasu you hack.

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>>33929282
It's talked about in TM Ace 10.

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>>33929819
>都会怖いよね。
It is scary.

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>>33929658
I wish Mahoyo was the metric we could use to guess about TsukiR, but it simply isn't. The TM and Nasu that made Mahoyo nearly a decade ago is a completely different TM and Nasu that is making TsukiR. We have to look what Nasu has been dedicating himself to for like 5 years to get an idea and that's FGO.

Look, I'm not saying that making the fights bigger is a completely bad thing, and it's not like I dislike Nasu's work, it's just that I now have so little faith in Nasu from the absolute autism that is FGO's story and battles that I doubt he can pull it off without it becoming a JRPG laser battle. I hope I'm wrong, but we'll have to wait and see.

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>>33929326
>implying they aren't just gonna insert Saber

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Anyone have any idea what font this is?

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>>33930174
Arc is the best saberface

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yes I truly do love having an increased powerlevel scale thanks to fate grand "introducing a dyson sphere as a villain to throw him away forever in 20 minutes" order

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>>33930677
Be careful with that sarcasm bro, the FGO tards might think they're in good company.

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>>33926690
>F/HA is some literall nightmare of different people and MTL
No it isn't. The latest patch available is thoroughly Japanese proofread. The original patch you're referring to was a really old version of the same patch released by some retard that was tired of waiting.
>I don't remember details for F/E but there were a bunch of errors and over localization
F/E's translation has been fixed for a while now. The group behind the original patch stealth released a newer patch years later just recently.
>CCC is being done by a group that picked up the game before even reading it, then pretty much disbanded, and now the guy that was in charge of reading wiki articles is the new lead translator. He didn't even know japanese when the project started.
CJ is not the "lead translator." He's just the one hosting the project. I honestly have no idea what the fuck he's doing on it, but it's not anything remotely important.
>I know nothing about the Extella TL besides that some lore in that lore-book thingy they did was mistranslated. Because the team had never read a fate game before they got hired.
Extella's original localization sucked. You're referring to Extella Link, which was done by XSEED. It's the best official TM localization.
>MCjon mahoyo was done by a guy that took 1 year of japanese in highschool, hollow moon is done by discord server full of tranny weebs that are translating from french while and totally have people that are really good at japanese and can check everything to be accurate, that's why they're not just translating from japanese.
mcjon is native. He works and lives in Japan now. He just wasn't good at translating Nasu. Also, nice job revealing just how monolingual you are with this one. It's funny that the only people who actually know Japanese on this thread just don't bring up this garbage argument. Imagine thinking translating from raw Japanese is just as easy as proofreading.

Actually research before you post such shit. Terrible try at pushing an agenda.

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Nothing wrong with having larger scales fights in the near side. I understand complaints if it's the far side we were talking about. The near side will have DAA which are considered equivalent to servants . It only makes sense their fights will also be as impactful and great in scale.

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>>33930366
The original looked better

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Make your bets - are we getting the sloppy kiss in TsukiR, or would it be too haram for modern TM?

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>>33930366
Arc's new face looks cheap I don't like it.

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>>33931602
we won't get it, at best it will be implied

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>>33931602
>>33931671
It's Z rated fools. There will be kissing CGs. It probably won't be like super lewd french kissing though.

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>>33931602
ah that's hot. that's hot.

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Akiha is so pretty

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>>33931654
She looks too childish for me. Arc was always a more mature kind of beauty, an elegant lady in her mid-20s or so. Now she looks like a kid, and her eyes, which were very sharp and sometimes even sinister-looking, became generic as fuck.
This is a problem with the remake's art as a whole. It certainly became FAR more visually-appealing and technically-impressive than the original, but it also lost all of its character.
The original novel had amateur hour artwork (even by 1998's standards) that was full of soul, while this remake looks like it's going to be the most visually complex VN in the history of Japan, but utterly devoid of any edge or character that made the original what it was.
Frustrating stuff.

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>>33931854
>Arc was always a more mature kind of beauty
Her face has already been going in the "childish" direction over the years

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>>33931891
You mean Carnival Phantasm? Everyone looked like a kid there, it was a gag anime/manga. But both Melty and even Fate/Extra did her justice, in my opinion. It's just Takeuchi's ever-regressing artstyle.

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>>33931854
I'm going to miss the granny dress, it was oddly charming

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>Takeuchi was lusting after a blonde exchange student in high school, Nasu made Saber that way because Takeuchi said to.

>Nasu is a woman in love with Takeuchi, who made her write a story for Takeuchi’s waifu that Takeuchi then drew while Nasu self-inserted as Rin

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>>33931854
Nasu mentions this in the interview, he says she looks younger but is still old at heart.

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>>33931854
Takeuchi specifically designed her to look younger. I don't mind that really, but the miniskirt and the newer hair suck. No one else's new designs bother me though.

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>>33931854
It's a great analogue to the corporatization of TYPE-MOON in general, loss of soul to the more corporate and clean design

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>oldfags got to deflower Arc (both willingly and not) like the CHADs they are
>newfags would be lucky to get a kiss on screen
This is a fascinating kind of cuckoldry.

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>>33931854
Apparently it's Takeuchi's influence. Nasu wrote her character in the remake in accordance with the new younger-looking design Takeuchi insisted they go with.
To be honest I don't dislike the change. I like the naive/innocent part of Arc's character. Nasu also said he did the opposite with Ciel and tried to give her more of an onee-san feel as a caring senpai figure, and I think this gives the two a nice contrast.

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I love this cute dumb vampire so much. I wish F/SN heroines were written as good as Tsuki ones are

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>>33931854
I wouldn't mind the face too much if the hair had not been changed and she kept the long skirt.

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>>33932046
>lucky to get a kiss
I don't know where this came from. It got an 18+ rating which actually surprised me. I don't know why people aren't more excited about this. I thought for sure they'd be careful to keep it 15+ of something and try to sell it to fgo kids.

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>>33932119
People are too busy doom posting to think. I fully expected this to be 15+ as well, so getting the 18+ rating is actually quite great.

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>>33932119
That just means violence, which was pretty lacking in the original release. There will be no naked vampire tits or anything like that since sexual content is extremely taboo on consoles (unless you work for Sony and your name is Niel Drukmann, apparently).

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>>33932095
Me too anon. When I got into Tsukihime, my head was full of the "Main/first girl is rarely any good and generaly worst girl" "the main road will be meh"
Needless to say my mind was blown the fuck out.

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>>33932220
It just can't be actual porn. Sex/rape is fine though.

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>>33932270
So how would that be presented? Writing it but not showing any pictures would be even worse than not including it at all. Would Takeuchi use tactical sunbeams or something?

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>>33932220
I agree Sony wouldn't allow anything sexual on their version of the game but do you think there'll be a chance of it on the switch. Nintendo doesn't really seem to care about that type of stuff anymore.

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>>33932296
Nintendo gives no fucks as long as CERO says its fine.

>>33932290
>Writing it but not showing any pictures would be even worse than not including it at all.
What do you mean? The text won't be like an actual H scene of course with foreplay and then a climax and so on. But that doesn't mean Nasu can't write Shiki raping Arc in a strictly narrative way and not like in the style of an eroge.

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The icons next to the rating indicate crime and violence, so there shouldn't be any sexual content that would requite an 18+ rating. There will obviously be kisses and maybe implied sex though.

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>>33932319
>>33932290
>He dosn't choose to not rape anyway everytime he play the road

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There has to be implied sex because unlike with FSN, you can't just replace sex with some silly euphemism.
>>33932364
The rape scene was actually pretty important, in my opinion. The player would most likely naturally give in to the desire (at least so he could see the CG scene), and when Ciel explains to you how True Ancestors are obsessed with human blood, it reflects on your own actions in the alleyway - that desire to rape Arcueid was the same kind of a desire she had when she tried to drink your blood.

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>>33932426
>There has to be implied sex because unlike with FSN, you can't just replace sex with some silly euphemism.
That's not the case though because Tsuki R is an entirely rewritten remake, not a port.

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>>33932473
But it's still the same story, it has to be. It's not called Shin Tsukihime or anything like that. Would Nasu really rewrite it that much?

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>>33932473
That's kind of true desu. He could entirely change Shiki if he wanted to. That being said, they did specifically go for the 18+ rating so I want to believe they intentionally kept the dark/crazy aspects of Shiki's character which, of course, includes rape.

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>>33932426
>The player would most likely naturally give in to the desire (at least so he could see the CG scene)
Eh, even in hentai, rape was alway kind of a turn off to me ; and since you actually HAD the choice to repress your pulsion (and much like Arceuid now that you say it) not hurt someone you love ; taking the no rape option felt more natural.

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>>33932426
bro, who the fuck rapes the cute vampire gf? i want to make love to her, not rape

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>>33932574
You're gonna do it anyway if you want to 100% the game.

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>>33932550
Well, it is the canon choice, but the choice is there, and the way it mirrors the choice Arcueid makes (she kills you if you raped her, and she stops if you didn't) makes it a surprisingly powerful narrative moment if you stop and think about it. It lets you empathize with her more. That's VN storytelling at its best.

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>>33930366

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>>33933123
Gil is every Tsukihime character confirmed

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>>33931207
Which one is you?

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So I just finished the first route of Tsukihime. This was quite a wild ride, Nasu really excels at writing these kinds of atmospheric stories without world-ending stakes or a large ensemble cast with dozens of characters. After so many years of "epic" stories like FGO and Extella going full Gurren Lagann, going back to basics felt damn good. You really don't need to blow up cities and punch God in the face to tell an exciting story.
Betraying Arc for other girls will feel like shit now, which is par for the course in these games, but I have to persevere.

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>>33929111
FSN and its recent adaptations handwaved a ton of collateral damage with filler lines about gas line explosions and whatnot. >>33929340
I have my doubts about whether the busier setting will affect the story in any way.

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>>33933711
Arc is still prevalent in Ciel's route though.
I would say Tsukihime's atmosphere is a little bit week actually

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>>33923921
isn't it releasing worldwide?

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>>33923397
>90 song OST
original had too few, this might be too many

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>>33934939
That's just MB.

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>>33934916
>I would say Tsukihime's atmosphere is a little bit week actually
Really? I actually don't think I've ever heard anyone say that about it before.

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>>33922889
I really like old Akiha

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>>33928981
There was a link in the last thread, but it's down now for some reason.

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>>33935108
As I see it, it's pretty much all character interaction and the environment only comes into play when it's convenient. It's funny how some scenes are just "I went to school and nothing happened" and then it cuts to "now I'm walking home" and then it cuts to "now I'm at the mansion" but there's nothing to actually justify writing any of that in.

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>>33932490
Nasu has called it Tsukihime Rebirth since a TM Ace interview in 2015/2016 I think. He repeated that in the latest interview

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>>33935145
I really don't know what you're referring to. If you're just complaining about SOL in general, well welcome to the medium. That's how it is. I don't see what this has to do with atmosphere though.

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Does this mean the 27 DAAs won't show up in the Remake?

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>>33935145
Atmosphere doesn't necessarily have anything to do with setting details. It has more to do with the tone the environment gives off and a level of immersion, which comes from music, sound, backgrounds, and artwork.

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It would be nice if TM's april fools this year had something to do with Tsukihime.

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>>33935263
It would be nice if they remembered to make a good AF.
It has been so many years of complete despair.

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>>33935235
Yes, I get that atmosphere is a combination of everything. I'm just saying the world feels fake at times, particularly when there are no character interactions that explain what is going on and why. So it's not what I would descibe as particularly immersive or atmospheric.

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>>33935312
I don't comprehend your phrasing and this appears to contradict your prior statement.

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>>33935312
>particularly when there are no character interactions that explain what is going on and why
Do you have a concrete example of this? I still have no idea what you mean.

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>>33935347
I can't really say it any better. Atmosphere is maybe just a hard thing to explain.
>>33935365
Like I said, there are scenes where Shiki just goes to school and comes back for no relevance to the story, so it doesn't feel like he actually went there. In general it only feels like a school when he's having lunch with Arihiko and Ciel, so remove them and it's just a place for corpses to be stored.
Otherwise, Nrvnqsr and Roa can slaughter hundreds of people and all it gets is a news report, when you would honestly expect people to be going full Alex Jones. Or when Satsuki is declared dead after an investigation and the school just completely moves on, when she was supposed to be the center of attention in the class that whole time. Stuff like this adds up and makes me feel like nobody except the names characters actually live in the world, and the atmosphere becomes weaker because of it.
Also, since everybody complains about the music I'll just say that it doesn't help that all the tracks blend together and lose their meaning well before the game is over

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>>33935445
Why does going to school have no relevance to the story? Because you say so? It fleshes out Shiki's daily life and provides opportunity for his interactions with other characters particularly Ciel.

>when you would honestly expect people to be going full Alex Jones.
How do you know they weren't? The church takes care of the fallout from events like this anyway. As for Sacchin, how do you know the other classmates didn't move on? You only get the perspective of people who never cared much about her in the first place.

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>>33935515
>Why does going to school have no relevance to the story? Because you say so?
Because there are scenes where the only text is "I went to school" and that is pretty much the definition of irrelevant.
>It fleshes out Shiki's daily life and provides opportunity for his interactions with other characters particularly Ciel.
When Ciel isn't involved, the illusion crumbles. Shiki doesn't seem to really care about school, so it ends up just being confusing when the story includes it and there's no progression.
>How do you know they weren't? The church takes care of the fallout from events like this anyway.
It's never brought up again. Ciel and Arcueid both believe the massacres in the town aren't enough to alert anyone who isn't directly related to Roa, so we can't use the excuse that the Church did anything. And even if they did, it isn't mentioned, so at best the story is just missing a lot of detail.
>You only get the perspective of people who never cared much about her in the first place.
Shiki says she was very popular, pretty much with everybody except him and Arihiko. When a student dies, it's usually a pretty big event, at least where I grew up.

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who else has zero expectations from those Hollow Moon faggots?

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>>33935590
>Because there are scenes where the only text is "I went to school" and that is pretty much the definition of irrelevant.
I don't remember everything but I would never call one line of text a "scene". Now maybe you could argue it's a pointless/useless sentence from a narrative point of view but you'd need the whole context here.

>When Ciel isn't involved, the illusion crumbles. Shiki doesn't seem to really care about school, so it ends up just being confusing when the story includes it and there's no progression.
Ciel and Arihiko are Shiki's friends. The latter is a side character of course, but he's still important to Shiki's characterization. The entire contrast between Shiki's daily, normal life and the crazy stuff that goes on beneath the surface is kind of one of the main points. Not every single text needs to be a "progression" (whatever that means).

>It's never brought up again. Ciel and Arcueid both believe the massacres in the town aren't enough to alert anyone who isn't directly related to Roa, so we can't use the excuse that the Church did anything.
Ciel is the Church though. What do you even want to happen here exactly? Yeah a few hundred people died and I'm sure their relatives and friends are sad and upset. What are they supposed to do in the story? Form an occult vampire hunting squad?

>Shiki says she was very popular, pretty much with everybody except him and Arihiko. When a student dies, it's usually a pretty big event, at least where I grew up.
A classmate of mine committed suicide when I was in high school and 99% of the school didn't give a fuck because they didn't know her. Same shit here. Sure Sacchin probably had a few offscreen friends or whatever that were sad, but they aren't relevant to the story or Shiki.

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>>33935679
>but he's still important to Shiki's characterization. The entire contrast between Shiki's daily, normal life and the crazy stuff that goes on beneath the surface is kind of one of the main points.
I feel like the later routes drop this concept hard
>What do you even want to happen here exactly? Yeah a few hundred people died and I'm sure their relatives and friends are sad and upset. What are they supposed to do in the story? Form an occult vampire hunting squad?
It would be nice if there was at least some mention of it. For all the school scenes that are in the game, none of them give any interesting details about what the populace thinks about what's going on.
A good example of foreshadowing is when Satsuki hears rumors about Shiki running around the commerial district and goes to check it out every night, but to contrast that, nobody else is trying to find the serial killer? You would at least expect students to make up stories about the military or elaborate more on who the vampire might be.
>99% of the school didn't give a fuck because they didn't know her. Same shit here.
The story goes out of its way to show that the students know that she ran away from home and even confirms that she died. It doesn't fit that they stop caring entirely after that when it was presumably significant.

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>>33935755
>I feel like the later routes drop this concept hard
I don't.
>It would be nice if there was at least some mention of it. For all the school scenes that are in the game, none of them give any interesting details about what the populace thinks about what's going on.
Why? Who cares what the populace thinks? They can't do anything about it. The police can't do shit. It's not relevant in anyway.
>nobody else is trying to find the serial killer
Sacchin was chasing after Shiki at night because she liked him and was concerned with what he was doing.
>It doesn't fit that they stop caring entirely after that when it was presumably significant.
Actually yes, it pretty much does. The rumors end there. Everything assumes she was just killed by the wandering serial killer. There's an initial shock, but that's all there is to for the vast majority of the people.

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>>33935907
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. We're getting caught up on the details when my view is just that the world doesn't react to the actions in the story.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Tsukihime/comments/me75tw/typemoon_ace_1s_tsukihime_interview_second_half/

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>>33935986
>Nasu: The biggest difference will be in terms of moral values, I guess. The doujin version was set in the late 90s, when the economic bubble had already burst for all, and everywhere you went felt decadent and everyone was negative in some way, but it was okay to express your individuality. However, today is a lot more difficult to express your individuality without being any performative. For expressing became easier, at the same time, complying with the norms became all the more important. I assure you I adjusted everything so that nothing in your reading experience feels out of touch with the era it's set on. For that reason, our protagonist, Shiki, losing and gaining some things in terms of emotions. The doujin Shiki feels surprisingly alive even to me who wrote him. He looks like just a basic bookworm, but with a strangely strong-willed side to him. Active and strong-willed protagonists were the trend for PC games at the time, so his emotional range must have aligned with that. We're not living those times anymore, so we some adjustments to how Shiki reacts to his times while preserving the essence of doujin Shiki.

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>>33936067
So what exactly will he be like? This tells us basicly nothing.

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>>3393606
>For expressing became easier, at the same time, complying with the norms became all the more important.
Is he a spineless cuck or mindless sheep I can't tell. Seriously who gives a crap what the general mindset of the era is stick to your own beliefs.

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>>33935986
>TsukiR completely renewed its cast list. What criteria did you use to choose the new cast?

>Nasu: The first and most important thing is fitting the character. The next priority is how each voice balances the other out. Like, if Arcueid's voice is one way, Ciel's can be one other. This balance is a central part of the selection.

>Takeuchi: We went mainly with younger actors because we want TsukiR to be a story that continues for a long time.

>Nasu: A huge part of the game was already complete by the time we went to record the voices, so the way we recorded the voices this time was quite special. Scripts are normally made of just text, but anime voice actors record watching the video to make it easier to perform. But for video games, the best we can do is filling the text script with images. With that, it takes hours for the actor to properly interpret what the character is feeling in that specific scene and find the right way to express it. Scripts can be encyclopedia-sized, especially for videogames, so the load on the actor can be immense. That's why I made my script include the character's faces in every scene. Something of a lifehack that can only be done because the game was already complete. The actors seeing the character expressions drawn into every line of their script does wonders to lighten their load. I'm confident this will lead to an improvement in quality.

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>>33936114
Obviously meant for
>>33936067

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>>33936118
so no melty seiyuus :/

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>>33936144
Yeah we've known that ever since the Remake trailer came out, same for the new Melty. By the way I can't wait to hear more of Remake Shiki's voice
>Nasu: Oh, but Shiki doesn't have his sprites on-screen, so we had to make the script without his faces. That's why I think his voice, Ryousuke Kanemoto, worked thrice harder than the rest of the cast. For all that effort, we got a mega cool ideal Shiki. Thank you, Kanemoto! You were the best!

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Akihabros, how are we feeling?

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>>33936067
>Active and strong-willed protagonists were the trend for PC games at the time, so his emotional range must have aligned with that.
No they fucking weren't. Protagonists at that time were lucky to have a face, much less a personality. What world is Nasu living on?
>We're not living those times anymore, so we some adjustments to how Shiki reacts to his times while preserving the essence of doujin Shiki.
Edgy and or personality-less Shiki confirmed?

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>>33936170
still a shame, I guess after Hisui's VA died it would make some sense to find a whole new cast

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>>33936118
>Takeuchi: We went mainly with younger actors because we want TsukiR to be a story that continues for a long time.
This is some truly brainlet tier justification for a meaningless cast change. Is he gonna recast Illya because her VA is in her 40s now?

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>>33936230
>>33936255
Miyu dying was 100% why they did a full cast change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936266
That's probably why but why didn't he just say that instead of the artsy fartsy pseudo-intellectual ~we want the remake to go on for a long time~ excuse.

[Anonymous No.]

>Nasu: FGO introduced a lot of new lore. But FGO's scale is only that large because TsukiR was produced first and laid that groundwork. Without TsukiR, FGO would have ended as a much smaller story. In that sense, pausing TsukiR's production to produce FGO paid off, and we'll get the brand new experience of seeing people learning what those plot points they've seen in FGO were about.

[Anonymous No.]

>Please wait just a little longer for their stories. We asked ourselves for a long time what we wanted to after releasing Mahou Tsukai no Yoru, often considered the peak of the traditional visual novel genre, and it feels like we finally have a solid answer: a game filled with all the technology, passion and heart that Nasu's Type-Moon staff can provide.
Imagine having an ego this large with art so lazy.

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>>33936255
No because Kadowaki wasn't in her 40s when she got to play Illya. FSN has been voiced since 2006/2007 and it's over 10 years at this point, meanwhile the Remake is Tsukihime's starting point so of course they will need young seiyuu

[Anonymous No.]

when did it all go to shit?

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>>33936266
kind of overkill to replace the entire cast, even when you've shown that you can just call up her original seiyuu to finish up a magical girl spin off

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>>33936349
It doesn't make sense since it hasn't been 20 years since their last appearance as the characters. It's like recasting all of FSN if he decided to make an Illya route, and we'll be lucky to get a Part 2, much less any other spinoff material.

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>>33936255
>>33936366
Do you actually see no difference between replacing a seiyuu that has been voicing a character continuously without any breaks and recasting a character that hasn't been voiced for a decade?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936408
but they were good tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936408
I don't. They didn't get to voice the characters because TM abandoned the series while milking whales via slot machine. They are still the voice of the character. It's just Nasu's galaxy sized ego acting up again and demanding a new VA cast.

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>>33936453
I've seen their age brought up as a common excuse, yet the FSN OGs are still doing their jobs to this day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936403
This would make more sense if FSN hadn't already been bled dry over the past 17 years.

[Anonymous No.]

So is Far Side 100% going to happen or is it stuck in Mahoyo 2's purgatory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936499
If it actually fulfills its role in driving people back to FGO, yes. If it fails to do so it goes to purgatory and Nasu retires.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936511
>and Nasu retires.
yeah, that'll be the day

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936403
FSN cast have been appearing in countless FSN-related anime projects, games and live events. On the other hand, the previous Tsukihime cast only had Melty and Carnival Phatasm, and TM at that point wasn't big enough to hold promotional events as they're doing a tons of now. They are not that familiar to the audience compared to FSN cast
>It's like recasting all of FSN if he decided to make an Illya route, and we'll be lucky to get a Part 2, much less any other spinoff material.
What you said here is entirely different from doing a Remake, especially when Nasu-Takeuchi has repeated it's closer to Rebirth rather than Remake. Adding Illya's route doesn't mean the old FSN gets changed, while pretty much everything about Tsukihime are getting reconstructed for the Remake. The rebirth of Tsukihime is coming, there's a bright future awaits the whole franchise and it's clear TM are aiming for the long run. The Melty cast are around 40-50 years old now, how old they would be in the next 10-15 years? And most importantly, IMO, is that Tsukihime Remake is an entertainment product. Young VAs will help greatly when it comes to doing promotion jobs and bring out a brand new, fresh atmosphere to the product, something difficult for the old VAs to do.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/skF7R7cPf0w

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>>33936524
Nasu has to be in his early 50s by now and if TsukieRe flops and FGO falls to irrelevance his ego probably wouldn't accept it.

>>33936532
>The rebirth of Tsukihime is coming, there's a bright future awaits the whole franchise and it's clear TM are aiming for the long run.
I wish I had your optimism.

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>>33936550
I'd wager more early 40's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936550
Nasu is 47.
>if TsukieRe flops
Considering that even I'm planning to buy limited edition (and I pirate fucking everything), I can see it becoming one of the best selling VNs of all time.

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>>33936294
Feels kind of grimy to use that in a PR interview

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>>33936610
>Considering that even I'm planning to buy limited edition
Even after all we learned about it

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>>33936326
>Mahou Tsukai no Yoru, often considered the peak of the traditional visual novel genre
out of what ass he pulled that shit out

[Anonymous No.]

>>33931697
Reminder that second HF movie was rated PG12 and that Z is the same as 18+ (without being full on eroge).

[Anonymous No.]

>>33920276
Akiha had long eyelashes too.

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>>33936610
Yea, but we're different. VNs have already losing a ton of ground to gachas and struggle to sell even if they are made for mass appeal. The fact that the remake won't have porn (sex sells), is a console exclusive, and isn't translated to Chink (they buy far more VNs than English speakers do) or English hurts its chances a lot. The name and the brand carries a lot of weight so its sure to sell well, but it will always be a disappointment in comparison to FGO.

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>>33936326
>>33936659
I'm just surprised Mahoyo was officially given such a statement at this stage.
I personally agree with it, but it is still a very dumb thing to say.

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>>33936707
This is bafflingly retarded.
Even Yoshimune never said that he wrote the best VN ever, and he wrote MLA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33919461

I feel like you wouldn't get this tweet if you haven't see the first joke lol.

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>>33933123

omfg hahahaha

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>>33936315

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>>33919312

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>>33936733
Please don't get me started on MLA.
Anybody putting MLA and best together are not people I can agree with.

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>>33936766

The funny thing is the original to me looks generic and the other one is just well bland.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936326
Takeuchi's words don't sound as cocky as in the translation plus first Google results for ビジュアルノベルの到達点 are about Mahoyo, so he isn't even wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936863
Now the new one being a shitty magezine scan doesn't help his case, but he's bland all the same. Melty's art looks a bit better though, has that Actress Again colouring at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936873
I imagine he meant it in the technical aspects like the scripting and animations. What other VN really compares?

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>>33936733
Regardless of the writing itself, every other aspect far surpasses everything that has come before or since. That's just a fact, I wouldn't say ego is particularly involved. If anything, he's basically jerking off Black, Koyama, and Fukasawa.

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>>33935145
This was an actual problem in FSN, but not in Tsukihime. At least not in the Arc route I just finished. It's the opposite, in fact - whenever the location shifts, you know something important is gonna happen there, you never "just" go somewhere unless you picked the wrong choice. The writing is tighter than Arcueid's pussy in this regard, no text goes to waste like in FSN and its hours of SoL scenes, and you can't remove anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33935445
>Like I said, there are scenes where Shiki just goes to school and comes back for no relevance to the story,
Those scenes are rare, they take just a few lines of text, and they do serve a purpose of giving you an idea of what you're doing at certain points in time. If the game just jumped from morning to evening, it would've been very jarring to the player, for whom Shiki is the avatar. Those kinds of scenes become a real issue in FSN, where they do get padded for minutes on end, with Shirou constantly cooking breakfast and stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936898
>every other aspect far surpasses everything that has come before or since
I don't know how you can say this when literally all Mahoyo has is 3 fight scenes that look pretty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33936782
"I disagree with just about everyone" says more about you than the work you are critiquing

[Anonymous No.]

>>33937611
MLA is fine, but horrendously overrated.
When people open with a line like that, I too know a lot about them by default.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33937543
This is not an argument you can win, this is the Mahoyo general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33937755
shit taste detected

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>>33937869
Perhaps the fact that so many people consider it the best, and following the rule that the majority generally have shit taste, wouldn't that make them the ones with actual low brow shit taste?
Anything at the tip top of VNDB/MAL is about 2/10 worse than the score given.
The truly best works are usually in the top 10-50.

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>>33937869
>>33937944
Also, even simply not calling it, 'the best', makes me a shit taste contrarian?
Jesus, this is why I really don't like Japanese culture, especially from weebs.
I pick and choose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33937994
*pop culture, the culture as a whole is a lot more nuanced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33937994
go back

[Anonymous No.]

Calling Mahoyo "the peak of VNs" is arrogant as hell. Not only does that spit on the long legacy of visual novels as a whole, implying as if TM discovered something that was never done before in the genre, but it also ignores Mahoyo's far more successful contemporaries, such as Steins;Gate. It's fine to praise the novel and call it one of the high points of the genre, but it's not the greatest VN ever made.

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>>33938055
I hate saying this, but this is one case where Snob is 100% right.
I like character driven story, MLA makes you feel nothing about the characters, it is all about the setting and concept.
It has several nukige traits which completely clash with the intended tone.
Sex is mistimed and tasteless, the designs are NGE but nukige, and it is basically a mishmash if tropes and cliches to make teenage weebs go fucking bananas.
You just had to prove your retardation though, I will never fucking understand how such shit manages to fool people into thinking it is a masterpiece.
Same group as SnKfags too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33938136
What the fuck does a dumb EOP know about the legacy of visual novels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33938136
S;G at least is very good.
But success is not what makes something good, success is mostly popularity and influence.
A work can be poorly known, have very little influence on future works, and they be one of if not the greatest thing ever.
It was arrogant and a dumb thing to say, but there are people who do agree with it, just a small number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33938168
So which VNs are real masterpieces?

[Anonymous No.]

Also, why does Mahoyo not have a console port with the originally intended extreme effects?
Like it is basically perfect for consoles.

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>>33938136
The fact that TM can't even release a followup 8 years later kind of proves that Nasu ego has gotten the better of him. It's one thing to say that the work was misunderstood and it is still great in the eyes of the artist, but it's another to put your money where your mouth is. Type Moon had enough money, it wasn't the question of finances either. If it was truly that great, the company wouldn't have dedicated themselves to milking Fate with all the various spinoffs and the company would've probably finished the trilogy that was "promised".

>>33938173
Probably not the full spectrum or picture, but enough to give an good educated opinion especially when the West has gotten enough localized VNs to judge on this basis. Unless you have a higher standard or metric on which to invalidate his claim, it's not like it is that objectionable either even if you sprout it from a surface level viewpoint. Mahoyo isn't the best thing since sliced bread.

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>>33938173
Seethe
>>33938210
If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?

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>>33938226
Easy, Mahoyo and Majikoi.
I will die on this hill, and that is my hill.
Disagree if you must, but just know that getting constantly shit on by the ilk who like MLA and so forth, makes it hard to deal with.
Sure, some people do like them all and are happy to talk about and like all, but good luck finding them on 4chan.

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>>33938262
>If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?
You rightly know this is a fallacious argument.
So many great works have been universally panned, until years later getting their just dues and the reputation they rightly deserve.
Time is the greatest truth of all.

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>>33938273
Also remember, MLA is at the top, and so gets tall poppy syndrome.
It does not fucking deserve it's acclaim or popularity.

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>>33938255
It wasn't only about you not knowing shit about VNs but also about not knowing what Takeuchi has actually said in the interview.

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>>33938387
I didn't say it, I'm not the poster. I'm just stating that the guy could give an opinion out based on what is out there in the English speaking world. It's not 100% informed, sure, but it's not like it's a deep fact about visual novels that you need to play an enormous amount of titles in Japanese. All he's saying is given that visual novels have existed for a long time, a supposed "underrated" title in Mahoyo isn't groundbreaking.

Even if Takeuchi or Nasu wasn't really saying that, the fact that it could even be implied in the interview is hubris given how they pretty much publicly abandoned the work and didn't give any public statements about Mahoyo until now.

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>>33938303
>So many great works have been universally panned
It's really not that many. Most "great works" were appreciated during their time.
Also, the "peak" of a medium implies success. If a great work is panned, it's probably different enough from everything else that you shouldn't compare it directly.

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>>33938210
Quality is not objective, it's defined by people's subjective opinions. So the only two objective ways to measure the quality of something is to see how many people call it good and how many people were influenced by it. Everything else is a matter of taste. So when you call something "the greatest thing ever", you either have to specify that it's your own subjective opinion, or talk about things in a broader context.
And it's extremely poor taste for a creator to say that any of his works is the greatest ever, because he's essentially putting himself above everyone in the industry, including his seniors.

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>>33938273
I don't care about your opnion and I'm fine with someone thinking that Mahoyo is the best, but holy shit you are a disgusting self-absorbed faggot.
The problem is not this website not wanting to accept your taste, the problem is you being a retard who thinks that he's better than everybody for having a contrarian opinion.

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>>33938566
It is just really hard to understand subjectivity for some people.
Because some contrasts are seemingly impossible to rationalise, people begin to question their own ability to form an opinion.
Like stuff, dislike stuff, whatever it is for, popularity, people can like or hate something just because it is popular.
And that applies to all other metrics.
Humans were a mistake.

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>>33936766
The new one looks far too stiff here. And it's not just the pose, his face is very stiff too. The features on the old face are non-symmetrical, cartoonish, and appealing. The new one is just "a face", like it was copied from a 3D model.
Takeuchi really has to take that steel rod out of his ass and draw more expressive things again.

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>>33938600
>waaah stop making fun of me
Who the fuck said that you are not allowed to be subjective? Your attitide is the reason why I called you a faggot.
Also, do you have some personal vendetta against MLA? nobody in this thread claimed that it's the best. The only point that was brought up was the fact that the creator, while having full understanding that his work is one of, if not the most critically acclaimed VNs to ever exist, never claimed that he's somehow created the best VN ever. I can even add that he openly talks about the works that inspired him while creating it. That's it.
What's the point in having this needless agression towards people who like MLA? It's less popular than anything TM has ever created already. Again, stop being such a faggot.

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>>33938692
You started it.
Simply put, in my opinion, MLA is not worthy of its merit.
You gave a bad example, my friend, and the series is at least dead for all that it's worth, so it is not worth talking about any longer.
The vendetta against it started many years ago, for people dismissing any alternative to MLA being possibly better.
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

This still isn't as bad as EOP vs JSL, both are still pure cancerous arguments that should not happen.

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>>33939203
What? I only said that you are a passive agressive nigger.
If that's how all TM fans usually are like ouside this place, then no wonder why everyone hates your guts.

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>>33939244
God damn it, I misinterpreted the original reply, it was actually agreeing with me and gave the best possible example.
Once again, blinded by my irrational hatred for differing subjectivity clouding my observational skills.
Guess I'm a faggot, so nothing has ever changed, always a dumb sperg retard.
Don't pity me, I have done this routine a dozen times from the same fucking mistakes.
Fuck me, Why can't I leave and try to do something productive and beneficial for my well being?

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>>33939329
It all goes back to validation, wanting people to agree and for nobody to dissent, but while subconsiously getting some sick rush from getting angry about people disagreeing.
This is what those in power want, tribalism eating away at criticality of the masses, so that eventually nobody is united.

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>Nasu: The target audience for TsukiR is old-school visual novel fans or Type-Moon fans. I trust the player base well enough to know let the information-packed video speak for itself, and I believe they also prefer seeing screenshots instead of wordy explanations.
why is nasu such a liar?

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>>33941583
What are you suggesting?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm laughing at you idiots arguing about MLA because of a shit interview translation from reddit. You're actually clueless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33941831
I know you are but what am I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33941737
It's obviously not just for "old school VN fans"

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>>33941971
I don't think anyone other than old-school VN fans has a lot of interest in Tsukihime. It's a rather niche thing that was always seen as an appendix to the much larger Fate franchise. Not to say that Tsukihime is somehow undeserving of attention, it just never garnered any outside of that hardcore group of Type-Moon fans who actually read the old stuff Nasu wrote, instead of just watching the adaptations and playing much more approachable games like Fate/Extra or FGO.

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>>33942058
>It's a rather niche thing that was always seen as an appendix to the much larger Fate franchise
This is still true, but I'm still confused on as to why there seems to be alot of appealing to the new fans (secondaries and beyond) for something they will probably never touch

[Anonymous No.]

Still not sure if I should play tsukihime or just wait until the remake. Just wait? From what I understand it’s just the same thing except remastered with extended gameplay?

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>>33941737
how can it be targeted at fans of the original VN if it's not released on PC like the original VN

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>>33942312
Go and read it now. Tsuki R is shaping to be quite different from original Tsuki. It MIGHT be the same story but with all the changes we've seen I have doubts it will remain 100% faithful. The biggest change being there will be no Far Side route on release, if Tsuki R flops then we might not ever see Far Side route remake. And who knows if or when we will get an English translation.

Also,
>gameplay

[Anonymous No.]

Reading the interview has me worried that the core of the old Tsukihime will be lost in Nasu’s new take on the game with his for making things jump the shark. Still, it is shaping up to be one of the most impressive VN’s out there. I just hope the most important aspects of Tsuki are still there. More scenes and development for the charcters sounds great so I have hope for it.

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>>33942266
I don't see that, personally. Nasu's comments about somehow gluing this version of Tsuki to FGO sound forced of course, but it's not like he's rewriting the entire thing and turning it into an epic shonen romp like FGO. Well, at least I hope he's not doing that.
>>33942312
If you don't know Japanese, just play the original first. You're not getting an English version of the remake any time soon. If you do know Japanese, play the original first anyway. The game is coming out in late August (if we're lucky), so you have plenty of time to catch up. It's always more fun to play the remake when you know what the original was like, and besides, the remake is going to have only two routes, kind of like FF7R only had Midgar. So you're not getting the full story in the remake.

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>>33942312
Do you really want to end up like this guy?

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>>33942472
I can see (at least the Near Side routes) being like shounen powerlevel shit. Especially with how in the interviews he keeps talking about how TsukiR "setup" FGO in some way

[Anonymous No.]

>>33942739
They ARE shounen powerlevel shit already

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>>33936228
>No they fucking weren't. Protagonists at that time were lucky to have a face, much less a personality. What world is Nasu living on?
Yeah that part of the interview confused me too. But then again, I've only played like 1-2 PC-98 games so maybe he's actually right. Like Doukyuusei has you running around cheating on/fucking everyone so that's quite a bit different. Perhaps things shifted right around the end of the decade to the more typical protag you'd expect.

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>>33936610
>one of the best selling VNs of all time
No way, it's not 2006 anymore. The market is too different. That being said, it's going have excellent sales for sure and will probably easily be the biggest selling VN of the year. I don't believe anything else is coming out that could possibly rival it.

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>No mention of Sacchin
B-bros?!

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>>33943163
>I don't believe anything else is coming out that could possibly rival it.
tsukihime remake part 2

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>>33943216
Heh, I'm going to assume that one comes out next year if we aren't being lied to (again).

[Anonymous No.]

>How much of the doujin version of Tsukihime will remain on the remake?
Nasu: Barely anything was kept intact from the source text. Imagine we disassembled the doujin Tsukihime, and then rebuilt it with new pieces. The old pieces were discarded on the spot, but the reassembled object retains the same shape it always had. One writer who playtested for me said it was an unusual experience. "It's all made of things I know, of things I've seen before, and yet it's all so new. That's a new way to create a remake.", he said. Those words meant a lot to me because that was exactly the kind of game I was trying to make.

Interesting. This confirms what many suspected for many years. It's more than character designs and CGs that will be changed. The original can be considered basically it's own thing moving forward. The remake will retcon major things.

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>>33936184
Not very good.

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>>33943190
>the two sub-heroines Hisui and Kohaku

[Anonymous No.]

Do I play Tsukihime or Tsukihime PLUS-DISC

[Anonymous No.]

>>33943652
plus disc comes second.

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>>33936118
>>Takeuchi: We went mainly with younger actors because we want TsukiR to be a story that continues for a long time.
This is our decade. TsukiCHADS rise up.

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>>33943190
>sub-heroines

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>>33943652
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>33943744
Tsukihime Grand Order when??

[Anonymous No.]

>>33943190
>sub-heroine
REEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>Arcueid is a character who always felt like the older girl**, but in this game, she looks like she's the same age as Shiki.**

>Nasu: When Takeuchi showed me the new design and told me this is what he wanted Arcueid to be like, I did question him, just to make sure he really was okay with her losing her older girl vibes, and he insisted this is the design he wanted. And so, I started updating Arcueid to match with this look. That said, she's still the same vampire sunny on the inside as she always was. You might feel like this Arcueid looks too young at first, but once you spend time with her, you'll feel that she's the exact same Arcueid you remembered. That's how it went with me, after all. "Her skirt got quite a lot smaller, but her heart still the same size it were before", you'll say. Meanwhile, Ciel is looking a bit older with her new design, so we're still getting an older girl with us.

So takeshit is the reason why Arcueid lost her allure of being an older vampiric Onee-san to now looking like some genki high schooler. I will never forgive him for this.

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>>33943190
>sub-heroine

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>>33943190
>sub-heroine

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>>33943190
>Sacchin never

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>>33943190
It took long enough for people to get upset at Takeuchi calling them sub-heroines. Honestly, I have no idea what the fuck he's smoking here. Kohaku could maybe be called a sub-heroine since I believe her route is relatively short (that would be a stretch). Hisui's is obviously a full, complete route though. There's no way you could consider it not. desu, Ciel is more of a sub-heroine than anyone else since she gets NTR'd in her own good ending.

[Anonymous No.]

>his waifu is a sub-heroine

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>>33943190
Imagine that piece of blue glass moon bombs and Far Side goes the way of Mahoyo 2 and 3 and just will never be released.

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>>33944023
????? She's literally the one responsible for 90% of the current shit happening, literally none of this would have happened if not for her revenge plot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33944351
That makes her an antagonist not a heroine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33944312
s-shut up

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>>33944381
Uh, no? Because it's VN and it's her route.

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>>33943190
>>33944018
Why doesn't she get any love?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33944318
I fucking wish but this time it might actually come out in a few years. Akiha + Sacchin and then Hisui + Kohaku. Have they even called the Arc + Ciel routes "Near Side"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33944318
Nasu literally just forgot about Mahoyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>33944429
Her being the mastermind is a Hisui route reveal. Of course she's a heroine in her own route, but I'm just saying her route is relatively short (or at least I remember it being short). So the only scenario where Kohaku is actually a heroine is a shorter one.

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>>33944447
>Have they even called the Arc + Ciel routes "Near Side"?
They did so in the interview yes. Though now their routes have proper names now: Tsukihime/Moon Princess for Arcueid and Rainbow of the Night for Ciel

[Anonymous No.]

>>33944351
Kohaku was a victim

[Anonymous No.]

>>33944506
Kohaku dindu nuffin wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>Near side = Arc/Ciel
>Middle side = Akiha/Sacchin
>Far side = Hisui/Kohaku
You rike?

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>>33944484
I mean, to me having a route of your own an being arguably the second most important character after the MC in the story really doesn't make you a "sub heroine" but I see where you're coming from at least.
>>33944506
>a child victim of regular sexual abuse is a victim
Was that ever up for debate?

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>>33944503
>Rainbow of the Night for Ciel
wonder why that's the name of her route. her new route description is pretty interesting too desu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33943933
>She looks younger because that's how I've always imagined her, not because I've gotten more shit at art over the years! Seriously!
The fact that people will believe him makes it all the worse too.

[Anonymous No.]

What are the chances of her showing up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33944568
That was always my headcannon, since the fight with Sacchin is much longer in Akiha's route, and she's mentionned a lot more in it. In addition, Arc's and Ciel's route are clearly related, as well as Hisui's and Kohaku's, but Akiha's always seemed isolated.

[Anonymous No.]

The Sacchin route was replaced with an Arihiko route.

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>>33944572
I'm hoping Nasu does something other than having shieru's route be Arc NTR again

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>>33944568
Well the Japanese terms are 表 and 裏. I mean I guess they could shove 中 or something in there as a "middle" but that would be really weird.

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>>33944572
Isn't rainbow arc-en-ciel in french? Plus her codename in the Burial Agency is Bow.

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>>33944568
Sacchin will be the middle side, just like a coin landing on its side: an extreme rarity

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how can i play fate or tsuki in android?

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>>33945036
They released the fate route for free on android and the iphone. But it's only in japanese. When it comes to the other routes and Tsukihime I don't know. I have them for the pc.

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>>33945036
you can play fsn on android using Kirikiroid2 and tsuki and kt using onscripter

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>>33944582
It's funny how her eyes become bigger and bigger over time.

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>>33944582
What I really don't understand is that jarring change in her hair shape. it was consistent until late 2013 when Takeuchi suddenly decided to cut off most of it.

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>>33945118
I really really really like Taiga.

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>>33944595
Doubtful but if there’s any chance ignoring Tsukihime 2, it’d be Ciel’s route

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>>33944582
It seems that 2012 was the year when she became a jeanne face.

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>>33945118
I really really really hate Taiga.

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>>33945163
Too bad no one else does.

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>>33944582
I like her Carnival Phantasm design

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>>33945180
I hated her when I first watched Deen Stay Night, but she was ok in the VN

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>>33945180
fyi anon, taiga is cute

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should I start out KT blind, or use a guide the whole playthrough?

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>Go to Melty Blood thread on /v/ to see what discussions it has
>It is nothing but doomposting, "SOUL vs SOULLESS" autism, and always complaining about no for no PC both Melty Blood and Tsukihime Remake
>All continously repeated for the whole thread
I never thought I would say this, but those threads are somehow worse than FGO threads on /vg/.
I'm convinced that a lot of people who hate on new designs, and maybe Remake in general, have never played Tsukihime or Melty Blood and are just jumping on the bandwagon.

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>>33945298
that dress + long sleeve shirt combo looks tacky

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>>33945474
There is literally no excuse for no PC port. The majority of people who played Tsukihime and Melty Blood can't play the remake at all.

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>>33945474
It's like that everywhere. People will come around to it eventually when it's released and pretend they weren't the partaking in the doomposting all along.

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>>33945507
Considering Melty's PS2 and arcade releases and the prevalence of the PS4 and Switch, I would say chances are pretty high that most of them can.

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>>33945573
Melty's only active community plays only on PC.

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>>33945474
I can understand all of their complaints.
PC was the platform that nurtured both Tsukihime (which was never ported anywhere else) and Melty Blood (which is still remembered only thanks to PC).
The new artwork, in my humble opinion, sucks ass. I really loved how varied and colorful designs in Tsukihime were, and seeing them be turned into a parade of samefaces is disheartening. I might get used to it, but I'm definitely not there yet.
Having only two routes is a cute reference to the original demo release of 1998 at best, and laziness at worst. We were waiting for so long that seeing only two routes is similar to seeing nothing but Midgar in Final Fantasy VII Remake. It's just unfortunate.
With that being said, constantly repeating the same arguments over and over again doesn't make them any stronger, and that's something /v/ should finally learn one day.

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>>33945478
.t uncultured in onee-san designs

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>>33945573
Actress Again Current Code, the one everyone plays, never released on PS2. It's PC release wasn't even available outside of a limited edition BD until five years after the fact.

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>>33945474
>if you are not REDDIT POSITIVITY all the time you are called a doomposter

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>>33945467
Blind, but just make sure you keep track of what you've done/where you've gone.

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>>33945792
Who are you quoting?

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>>33945601
>>33945706
Having played Melty and being an active member of the FGC are not the same thing, and I would guess most are Japanese either way. I hope we're not going to talk about Tsukihime's "active" players next.

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>>33945968
A bunch of SoCal nerds that just repeat the same jokes over and over are irrelevant.

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>>33946001
Yes, that's the point.

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>>33945607
The demo was 1999, Half Moon wasn't a demo, and I don't see how covering half of the original when there's double the content could be considered lazy. Possible bloat and filler aside, I don't see how something's first release being incomplete is unfortunate unless you're really impatient.

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>>33946083
>The demo was 1999, Half Moon wasn't a demo
My bad, I was just saying that this release of Tsuki can be seen as a reference to Half Moon, seeing as how it has the same routes.
>I don't see how covering half of the original when there's double the content could be considered lazy
The same can be said about FFVIIR. Midgar might be just the introduction stage of the game, but hey, it takes almost as much time to complete as the original game as a whole. The issue is that, for someone experiencing Tsukihime for the first time, this release is not an option just like FFVIIR was not an option because if they want the full experience, they'll need to play the original anyway, and that might be pretty jarring after getting through the sleek and modern remake. Basically, you might as well print the "PLAY THE ORIGINAL GAME FIRST" warning on the cover if you want people to have the proper experience, or make them wait X number of years until the full thing is finished (if it is ever finished).

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>>33946167
I mean even if the whole thing was released all at once, you should probably play the original anyway. From the interview, this shit has apparently been totally rewritten.

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>>33943933
Takeuchi is a faggot and Nasu is a retard for letting him do whatever he wants.

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Are ya'll hopeing the new Melty blood plays like the og or more like undernight inbirth?

I'd prefer that it's closer to undernight personally.

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>>33946248
Closer to undernight, definitely. It was developed precisely because French-Bread couldn't make a new Melty game (not until TM gave them the green light), but they really wanted to, so UNICLR was a trial run for what a more modern version of Melty would be like.

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I've been installing fate/stay night from the disc, but when I try to run the program, a launcher-like screen opens for a moment before the program stops. I've tried changing my computer's locale and using locale emulator, but neither changed the result. Any tips?

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How can you even defend new art? Like okay it's cleaner, I'm the first to largely pref modern anime style to the more old school ones but holy the faces man, they're sucked out of any personality. Arc is literally just a saberface AGAIN, Shiki is a Shirou face AGAIN. And the worst part Takeuchi does it INTENTIONALLY.
Come one, you can be excited about the remake, but that doesn't mean you have to just accept everything and not criticize anything.

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>>33945820
will I be locked out of anything going in blind?

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>>33946466
We know
We agree
Redditniggers and Twitterfaggots are the only ones who disagree

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>>33946466
As I've said before, Arc is the only thing that really bothers me. Is this the peak of Takeuchi's art? No of course not, this isn't melty blood. I mean it's not like the art in the original was good anyway. I just hope the sprites won't have those visible fucked up hands he draws these days.

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>>33942455
>gameplay
Oh god

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>>33946248
Why would you prefer it like UNI?

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>>33946453
Could be an OS problem, so try running it in compatibility mode. If not, you could always get one of the digital versions floating around or from the OP.

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>>33946576
If he can't stop himself from putting fucked up hands in the billion dollar slot machine, I doubt he'd stop for the Remake.

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>>33947121
At least the big old text box will obscure everything I suppose.

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>>33947121
I don't know, literally every FGO artist phones it in for that game. Maybe Takeuchi can try outside it too.

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I just wanted to read fate stay night

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>>33947207
>Takeuchi can try
Maybe the best actual outcome is that he didn't try at all and Koyama actually drew everything.

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>>33946525
It's technically possible to get locked out of some scenes (maybe CGs as well but I'm not totally sure as well). When I did my last KT replay, I did it blind for a while and when I got stuck I went back and started over with a guide.

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>>33947214
brother, just download the version with the link in the OP. Or alternatively use the reddit link version which doesn't need to be torrented from here
https://www.reddit.com/user/Dittorita/comments/aitjnz/typemoon_visual_novel_collection/

Thread is unlisted so unless someone links it you won't be able to find it.
Once you download it you don't need to install anything, just hit the .exe and it should work

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>>33947214
Just download the ultimate version from nyaasi

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>>33947306
>>33947322
it ended up being a simple fix, but thanks anyways anons

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>>33946576
>I mean it's not like the art in the original was good anyway
It wasn't great, but it was good, especially considering how it had no budget and Takeuchi had to draw it all in spare time because he still had a job back then. He was definitely trying.

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>>33947633
It's passable, but I wouldn't call it good. That said, I do agree with the "old art has soul" thing. People abuse that meme too much, but it does genuinely apply here. I'm not worried or concerned about the background CGs. They all look great from the few screenshoots we've seen. I just mainly hope the sprites don't look lazy (like modern Takeuchi hands everywhere).

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>>33947008
compatibility mode did not seem to work. here is the launcher that i see for a few seconds btw

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>>33947688
To me, soul designates the amount of effort that went into production. When Takeuchi was drawing Tsukihime, he obviously went above and beyond his skill level at the time, challenging himself to draw people from different angles, in different poses and moods. Some of it might have ended up wonky (especially Akiha, boy some of her sprites leave a lot to be desired), but the dude tried, and you can see it plain as day. Compared to that, when you look at his FGO art, you can see how he went "welp, I need to draw this shite because no one else will, so let's just pull up Photoshop and see what we can do", and then after a few days of coffee and scribbles, the new Takeuchi servant is ready. There is no passion or effort, just work that had to be done.
And Takeuchi does try sometimes. Once in a while, I still see art that makes me go "okay, so he wasn't jerking off here, there's an attempt at something happening", but it's always fucking Artoria. He just doesn't give a fuck about anyone who's not Artoria.

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>>33947788
That's fair. Tsukihime was certainly full of passion. And definitely, we all know Takeuchi phones it in for FGO. At least this interview does make it sound like they've all worked hard on this, so hopefully he did actually try this time.

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Are DAA their own individual things just put together on a ranking list by the church or do they work as group?

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>>33947214
just read the wiki then download Hollow ataraxia to play the peak of the franchise

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>>33948088
Some do but most don't and don't care. Roa isn't considered one of the 27 by the others iirc.

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>>33948088
Dead Apostles do have a de facto organization of sorts, insofar as they are non-aggressive to each other and generally defer to the strongest DAA. There are some lone wolves though like Nero and Enhance.

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>>33946986
Part of it's probably because I played it first, but I just prefer how it plays to the og melty, it feels that everything flows alot better.

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*Blocks your path*