Touhou Mysteries

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Touhou Mysteries Anonymous Tue Mar 23 02:41:32 2021 No.33867555 [Reply] [Original]

What are some unsolved mysteries, loose ends, theories, and the like about Touhou that captivate you? What needs to be solved?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 02:42:57 2021 No.33867565 >>33867555 The Origin of Youkai

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 02:46:32 2021 No.33867588 >>33867565 If youkai are beings sustained by fear and belief, wouldn't it make sense that they were created by such a belief?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 02:54:11 2021 No.33867642 Origins of Reimu

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 03:07:32 2021 No.33867715 >>33867588 Yeah, but IIRC their origin also has something to do with the moon (the Lunarians perhaps?)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 03:08:59 2021 No.33867723 >>33867642 Origins of the Hakurei Dynasty

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 03:38:43 2021 No.33867723,1 less of a "needs to be solved" but everything revolving around sakuya's origins is fun to me

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 04:16:54 2021 No.33868118 Will Koishi ever re-open her eye?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 04:26:38 2021 No.33868183 >>33867642 I am Reimu's father

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 04:32:25 2021 No.33868214 File: 53 KB, 456x486, 69423412_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33867555 The canon colour of Raiko's pantsu. I need must demand have want to require for wish the necessitate to be had the knowledge AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 04:49:45 2021 No.33868301 >>33868118 I don't think that'll ever happen. It's much more likely she'll be able to control her unconscious ability so that she can interact with people without them being unable to see her or forgetting about her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 04:59:13 2021 No.33868349 >>33867555 Who has the most pets, Kasen, Satori, or Yukari

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 11:46:14 2021 No.33874049 >>33867555 What're Sanae's Ten Desires?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 11:58:12 2021 No.33874243 >>33867555 Where's Mima

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 12:38:52 2021 No.33874923 >>33867555 The circumstances behind why Momiji and Aya hate each other Also what happened to Yuuka between pc98 and now

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 12:41:25 2021 No.33874963 >>33868349 Kasen for sure

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 20:42:23 2021 No.33881606 File: 188 KB, 1200x1500, 1574236723953.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Patchouli summoned Koa to be her servant, but whether she is a Hell demon or a Makai devil remains a mystery.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 21:15:47 2021 No.33882109 >>33874923 >The circumstances behind why Momiji and Aya hate each other Aya is a journalist. To be fair not many characters really like Aya for said reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 21:22:24 2021 No.33882201 >>33874923 Always assumed that the reason for their grudge was either >>33882109 or a class thing. Thou it is implied to be something more personal between them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 21:47:30 2021 No.33882533 >>33867555 The connections between Renko and Sumireko and Maribel and Yukari

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 22:11:22 2021 No.33882825 Do ghosts poo?

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 23:10:04 2021 No.33883509
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>>33867555
Who are the remaining members of the youkai sages and who is the last deva. Also, what is the American take on the lunar war.

>>33874923
>The circumstances behind why Momiji and Aya hate each other
Also, why would Momiji and Hatate agree to pose for her magazine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 23:12:30 2021 No.33883543 File: 1.90 MB, 1296x1800, __okunoda_miyoi_touhou_drawn_by_roki_hirokix__5f8a1a31cbd0644940365887e7d633a3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33883509 >who is the last deva my money is on Miyoi

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 23:36:07 2021 No.33883777 >>33867555 could a human eat a youkaI?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 23:39:11 2021 No.33883809 >>33883777 Pretty sure that this is a thing, and if a human eats a youkai they become super power, or become a youkai themselves or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 23 23:39:34 2021 No.33883816 >>33883777 I swear I read somewhere that if that happens, a human would become a youkai.

Anonymous Tue Mar 23 23:42:17 2021 No.33883848

>>33867555
If humans started believing in information about a youkai that contradicted with who that youkai is, would the youkai in question change to fit that belief, or would a another youkai be created that matches that belief. E.G: if enough people that believed in the goofy, age-obsesed, fandom version of Yukari made it into Gensokyo, would the original change to reflect that, or would you end up with 2 Yukaris with different personalities? Given how urban legend work, it seems like something would happen if there were enough people that believed it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 00:52:22 2021 No.33884536 >>33867555 Why did Yukari want to lure humans to Gensokyo as prey for the youkai

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 03:10:02 2021 No.33885745 >>33867555 given how youkai stuff works could forgotten fictional stuff technically be youkais I mean we do have mythological figures in the series but what of modern day properties people don't care about

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 11:39:58 2021 No.33891368 Why don't they should make more kids like Sanae so that the chances of youkai and gods being forgotten decrease?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 12:47:08 2021 No.33892360 >>33883509 >Who are the remaining members of the youkai sages I honestly wouldn't mind it it stays the three. What I wanna know is how Kasen became one because honestly compared to Yukari and Okina she's kind of an odd woman out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 12:52:53 2021 No.33892432 >>33891368 Who would be the lucky man who would breed Sanae and continue the legacy of the Kochiya dynasty?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 14:19:12 2021 No.33893695 File: 3.56 MB, 1920x1080, Breed the Sanae.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33892432 They'll fight to the death to win her over. Only the strongest man can produce strong offspring. She wouldn't fuck a Youkai, now would she?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 15:07:49 2021 No.33894444 File: 251 KB, 848x1200, 1616284282504.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is Sakuya working for Remilia?!

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 15:41:23 2021 No.33894970 >>33894444 vampire hunter girl got brainwashed by dracula powers

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 21:37:49 2021 No.33899549 >>33894444 Vampire cunny is the best pay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 22:10:13 2021 No.33899933 >>33894444 >remilia has fate manipulation powers >sakuya is unbreakingly loyal >sakuya has silver knives (strong against certain types of supernatural) she lost to remi and got dracula'd

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 24 23:47:58 2021 No.33900997 >>33883509 Always figured Yuuka could easily be one of the sages, given what we know about her.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 25 06:04:09 2021 No.33903981 File: 335 KB, 495x600, 1604885931902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33899933 Hey, who are you quoting? Anon didn't say any of that.

Anonymous Thu Mar 25 06:51:54 2021 No.33904310

>>33894444
I have a doujin that shows Sakuya losing to Remilia and ending up in a bad shape, while Remilia offers her to become part of the mansion's staff. The thing is, Sakuya's mere existence is a mystery. Her time powers really feel out of place in Gensokyo, and there doesn't seem to be anyone that knows about her in the human village from before or anyone looking for her, and there certainly isn't any "vampire hunter" guild or whatever around. Doesn't she come from outside of Gensokyo?

Anonymous Thu Mar 25 12:58:24 2021 No.33909629

>>33904310
The entire Scarlet Mansion comes from outside of Gensokyo. The real question is how did a western vampire even find out about Gensokyo, or decide to go there? Unlike refugees like Eirin or Kanako Remilia didn't appear to be under any danger or pressing need to hide there. She just came there on a whim.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 25 20:48:56 2021 No.33915531 >>33892360 Being a scary powerful deva works well enough, but was she reformed before or after eating babies is the real question

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 26 04:23:02 2021 No.33919381 >>33868214 You can deduce the color from her pantyhose. Just ask to see her drums if you catch my drift.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 26 05:14:48 2021 No.33919873 >>33884536 because humans taste good

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 26 09:10:02 2021 No.33923176 >>33903981 tell the truth bloodsucker you brainwashed the poor girl

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 26 17:10:12 2021 No.33930689 MYSTERI

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 26 22:13:46 2021 No.33934280 >>33919873 I can't believe youkai post on /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 03:15:24 2021 No.33936785 >>33867555 It is a mystery

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 03:36:12 2021 No.33936931 where is youki who are reimus parents the remaining sage and deva why does mima hate the hakurei shrine, how did she become a vengeful spirit

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 13:59:53 2021 No.33944766 >>33891368 because it doesn't work that way.

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 15:30:25 2021 No.33945915

>>33904310
>Her time powers really feel out of place in Gensokyo
That's another mystery: where do Sakuya's powers come from? Magic? Psi? Something else altogether? On that note, what about Remilia's "ability to manipulate fate" and Kaguya's "ability to manipulate eternity", whatever those mean? It almost feels like the generic superpowers you see in cape comics with how unexplained they are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 15:35:56 2021 No.33945992 >>33867555 Rinnosuke's parents

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 16:11:12 2021 No.33946387

>>33903981
4chan doesn't have bullet points; this is the next best thing. It's annoying when people use the quote function for flippant remarks or stupid anecdotes, but that anon did neither of those. Quotes-as-bullet-points is different from ordinary greentexting, don't you think?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 16:27:04 2021 No.33946558 >>33868183 are you done with buying your cigarettes yet?

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 17:12:35 2021 No.33947205

I always figured Sakuya came to the SDM as a hunter but then saw the inhabitants were actually pretty peaceful. Remi doesnt kill people and even locked her sister in the basement to keep people safe. According to Akyuu the only time SDM really attacks anyone is if they tried to break and enter, which is pretty fair.

Sakuya saw how nice they were and became infatuated by the mistress, and wanted to work for her.

That was always my interpretation anyway, and I’ve always assumed there was also a bit more that happened than just that.

Odds are not even ZUN knows what her backstory really is.

>>33885745
Remember it’s not only a matter of being forgotten, the thing has to have been believed in at some point too. And believed in by enough people to ‘manifest’, although how much is required for that is obviously vague and in touhou something like existence may not even be that clear cut in the first place.

Still, if enough little kids believed there were real pokemon hiding out in the world somewhere, or that wizards and hogwarts were really hidden beneath the muggle realm, then it should be possible for a piece of that to wind up in gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 17:15:52 2021 No.33947248 >>33874923 >Momiji and Aya hate each other Where was that stated?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 17:27:06 2021 No.33947364 >>33945915 I always assumed Remilia was bluffing on her ability to manipulate fate and whatever happened she would go “all according to keikaku”

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 17:36:50 2021 No.33947508 >>33947364 Same. If she had powers that crazy she wouldn’t need to ask Patchy to enact all her plans for her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 19:46:55 2021 No.33948783 >>33946387 Or you can just do this: - point 1 - point 2 - point 3

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 19:55:06 2021 No.33948867
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>>33945915
Kaguya's powers of the eternity and instantaneousness isn't actually that vague.
Eternity is to put something in a state of unchange. If you drop a plate, the plate won't break. It's basically a localized, targeted timestop. It's also part of why the Hourai Elixir makes people basically ultimate immortals; their existence cannot be changed and will stay forever.
The power of the instantaneous is similar to, I hate to say it, King Crimson. Normally when you throw something that thing will travel to the place you throw it at. With the power of the instantaneous, that travel time is essentially reduced to 0. All the time from the throw to the object landing is basically compressed to the shortest instance of time.

Remi's power of fate, on the other hand, is vague. As much as people like to meme about Remilia actually being unable to manipulate fate, I highly doubt that's the case. Akyuu has been wrong all the time, but there's never been an instance where the omake.txt has been proven wrong.
It's the application and how much she can control it is the question. I'd say it's probably similar to Sanae's miracle power (which is basically manipulating probability), except hers is applied to the future instead of the present like Sanae's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 20:04:14 2021 No.33948993 >>33947508 I think it’s pretty cute that she’s probably bluffing. It suits her prideful character as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 20:06:23 2021 No.33949014 >>33893695 what the hell, give me the mod link

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>>33948867
When has Kaguya's power over the instant ever been demonstrated? In combat she's strictly a tool user and all the eternal stuff was evidenced through long term enchantments over her person and property.
Other than maybe a gag in Inaba Inaba and Akyuu's speculation on how it works, we haven't seen it.
It's a real pity they never made a functional build of her for the fighters, because it would clear up what she can do in much the same way they revealed Yuyuko's physical capability.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 22:42:17 2021 No.33951009 >>33947205 isn't it implied that the scarlet sisters do indeed drink blood from people

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:32:32 2021 No.33952049

>>33951009
Yes, but Remi ‘always leaves some on her plate’ and according to Akyuu people rarely die from her drinking from them. She does suck blood but normally the person wakes up a while later kind of nauseous with a sore neck for a while.

Flandre asks if Marisa (or was it Reimu?) is a human, and then says she “has only seen humans in the form of a drink before” in I think Marisa’s extra. Ypu could take that to mean she just sees people as food, but since she had to ask and cant normally leave the basement, I took it as they literally feed Flan by giving her cups of blood. If they were okay with her killing people they’d just give her people to drink from like how Remi does, but obviously Flan wouldnt have the self control to stop.

So I mean yeah they drink blood from people, but it really seems like Remi tries to avoid doing it fatally. Guess I cant say wether its out of goodness or just practicality of not killing your golden geese, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:34:22 2021 No.33952084 >>33946387 >; this is the next best thing. Have you ever used anything other than the middle of the keyboard in your life?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:49:47 2021 No.33952410 >>33947248 Aya's notes for Double Spoiler

Anonymous Sat Mar 27 23:54:08 2021 No.33952513

>>33947205
>Still, if enough little kids believed there were real pokemon hiding out in the world somewhere, or that wizards and hogwarts were really hidden beneath the muggle realm, then it should be possible for a piece of that to wind up in gensokyo.
there's a pretty heartwarming idea for a story imo, reminds me of karrage's doujin where chewbaca was in gensokyo with the millennium falcon but had to leave because disney restarted the franchise

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 09:07:23 2021 No.33957835 >>33893695 I forgot the name of that game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 11:50:00 2021 No.33960450 >>33883509 >why would Momiji and Hatate agree to pose for her magazine Blackmail goes a long way

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 12:18:26 2021 No.33960808 >>33952049 In the Satori manga, flan says she's staying in there by choice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 12:21:32 2021 No.33960833 >>33867555 What the fuck was in the giant egg in the fairy manga, in the end I think they just ate it without figuring out what it was

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 20:58:45 2021 No.33966826 >>33960833 Was it not mentioned?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 28 23:10:40 2021 No.33968509 >>33957835 Isn’t it EU4?

Anonymous Mon Mar 29 04:29:32 2021 No.33971268

>>33960808
Wish she had more of that style screentime.
She has only appeared in spinoff content and has had almost no story development despite the massive fan appeal.
Her appearance in Detective Satori makes her seem like the smarter sister, just lazy or reserved.

Anonymous Mon Mar 29 04:43:28 2021 No.33971417 [DELETED]

>>33966826
No, Aya just said it wasn't a tengu egg and gave them a hammer that could break it open. Could have been a dragon egg for all anyone knew. They just ate it.

>>33952049
EoSD manual says the blood is made into pastries and that Flandre has no experience in attacking humans, so she'd just blow them up and not leave behind any blood to drink.

Anonymous Mon Mar 29 04:45:40 2021 No.33971447 [DELETED]

>>33966826
No, Aya just said it wasn't a tengu egg and gave them a hammer that could break it open. Could have been a dragon egg for all anyone knew. They just ate it.

>>33952049
EoSD manual says the blood is made into pastries and that Flandre has no experience in attacking humans, so she'd just blow them up and not leave behind any blood to drink.
>Remi tries to avoid doing it fatally.
It also implies Remi literally just cannot drink that much. Probably because of her size. It says she ails to make more vampires, so she apparently wasn't not trying to kill people.

Anonymous Mon Mar 29 04:51:06 2021 No.33971530

>>33966826
No, Aya just said it wasn't a tengu egg and gave them a hammer that could break it open. Could have been a dragon egg for all anyone knew. They just ate it.

>>33952049
EoSD manual says the blood is made into pastries and that Flandre has no experience in attacking humans, so she'd just blow them up and not leave behind any blood to drink.
>Remi tries to avoid doing it fatally.
It also implies Remi literally just cannot drink that much. Probably because of her size. It says she fails to make more vampires, so she apparently wasn't not trying to kill people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 29 12:29:34 2021 No.33978732 >>33867555 Pretty much everything about the pc98 characters

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 29 12:34:32 2021 No.33978791 >>33952513 Sounds cool, what's the title?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 29 12:40:15 2021 No.33978854 >>33978732 should just remake those games to make them canon

Anonymous Mon Mar 29 17:27:30 2021 No.33983202
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I wish ZUN would delve deeper into Shou's backstory. Being an avatar of Bishamonten is no small feat and it makes you realize how diligent she was to maintain that role even though Byakuren's absence.
But that's probably not going to happen. Just more lost pagoda jokes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 29 17:32:39 2021 No.33983280 >>33978854 They still are unless otherwise contradicted

Anonymous Mon Mar 29 21:54:44 2021 No.33986698

>>33948867
The real thing I'm wondering about is the source of these powers. The setting has magic, and then it has forces that may not be magic but achieve similar results (qigong, senjutsu, etc., as well as Shinto and Buddhist thaumaturgy) but a lot of characters have Abilities that aren't linked to any of the above. In Kaguya's case it actually feels kind of appropriate because she's this mysterious moon-maiden, but that appeal isn't really there if lots of other characters have similarly unexplained powers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 29 22:05:32 2021 No.33986799 >>33986698 Yeah. Shut up kid

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 29 22:41:04 2021 No.33987212 >>33986799 Rude.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 05:11:55 2021 No.33990283 >>33986698 Have you ever considered that it is an innate ability that does not rely on magic

Anonymous Tue Mar 30 12:04:04 2021 No.33997881

>>33990283
Yes, that is entirely possible. Touhou does have characters with innate abilities that do not rely on magic, like Sumireko's psychic powers. It also has powers whose source goes totally unexplained. That counts as a mystery, does it not? Is that not what this thread is about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 17:59:53 2021 No.34002684 >>33983202 >Shou Who?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 18:39:49 2021 No.34003149 why sakuy eye turn blue to red ( NOT OKAY )

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 22:19:23 2021 No.34006111 Why won'tthe Hakurei Shrine God just show itself to Reimu so that she knows its name?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 22:45:05 2021 No.34006386 >>33874243 In the hearts we found along the way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 22:52:23 2021 No.34006482 File: 518 KB, 1683x2000, Evz122VVEAE9a66.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33874923 It is simple. Behold: This is Aya Shameimaru.

Anonymous Tue Mar 30 22:55:57 2021 No.34006521
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>>33874923
One of the most naturally talented and powerful tengu to have ever lived. Yet she devote all of her time running a newspaper that is not only universally hated, but is also an endless source of embarrassment for the noble and proud tengu tribe.

Anonymous Tue Mar 30 23:02:21 2021 No.34006596
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>>34006521
As a lower rank tengu and regrettably a true acquaintance of Aya's, there is less than nothing Momiji Inubashiri could do about any of this. The noble and proud tengu respect ranks, so there's no way for Momiji to order Aya to pay more attention to her duties as tengu. Worse still, as a "friend", anything Momiji say will just be dismissed by Aya as the rambling whining of a younger sibling anyway. Momiji has a rough life!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 23:38:17 2021 No.34006999 >>33867555 What happened to her manga?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 23:39:25 2021 No.34007010 >>34006999 Author sick. Manga ded. For now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 30 23:59:27 2021 No.34007222 >>34006999 The artist got sick and couldn't finish it. Even if did it get finished I personally don't really think anything particularly spectacular would have happened at the end of it even if they did find the culprit behind the incident.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 31 00:15:20 2021 No.34007344 >>33894444 A lot of loyalty for a hired maid!

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 31 00:29:18 2021 No.34007454 >>33947205 So you basically can revive hitler if enough people believe in the hitler never died conspiracy?

Anonymous Wed Mar 31 02:45:42 2021 No.34008418

>>33867555
Why doesn't Yukari stir up belief in the outside work by preforming some physic-defying feats using her abilities? Something like gapping a train from Spain and letting it run through the U.N. headquarters. They would have to explain how a train that was just seen on another continent, carrying thousands of tons, traveled faster than light and ended up on their doorstep, or accept that her claims about being youkai may have some validity to them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 31 07:19:06 2021 No.34010745 >>34007010 Nooo

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 31 12:28:53 2021 No.34015951 >>34006111 Probably because of how indifferent she is a times

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 31 12:34:11 2021 No.34016025 >>34008418 What you're asking for is a war between modern human society and the youkai. Ask the moonies how well that went.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 31 19:28:39 2021 No.34020910 >>34006111 Who knows. Most people don't stick around the shrine so maybe they went out and took a 100 year vacation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 1 01:58:32 2021 No.34025344 >>34007010 >For now. I hope she comes back soon then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 1 03:09:08 2021 No.34025877 >>33971268 That corroborates with how she comes off in Aya's first book. Flan's just a vampire hikki-NEET.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 1 15:58:28 2021 No.34035503 >>33971268 She's complacent for the most part. She doesn't have to do anything since Remilia locked her in the basement.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 1 19:28:08 2021 No.34038337 Oh yeah, has anyone mentioned anything regarding the Dragons yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 1 23:17:03 2021 No.34041213 >>33874963 It might be a tie between them. If Okina's servants count, then she has had several over the time she has been alive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 2 18:22:14 2021 No.34053829 >>33874923 >Also what happened to Yuuka between pc98 and now Cut her hair, took a vacation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 3 02:11:53 2021 No.34058933 It is a mystery

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 3 02:19:59 2021 No.34058995 >>33881606 Evil bat-girl from the animal realm

Anonymous Sat Apr 3 02:58:27 2021 No.34059247

Where the fuck did clownpiece go after her manga died? After all that did she just go back to hell?

>>33986698
I do wonder about situations like Kosuzu or Sumireko, who are supposedly normal humans that just have weird abilities.

Maybe it’s also just belief generated, people definitely still believe in esp and maybe Sumireko just happens to be the recipient of that. I dont know about Kosuzu or the child of miare, but maybe it’s a similar thing. People believe there are people with strange abilities, and instead of making youkai that belief power is sent to randos.

Anonymous Sat Apr 3 03:08:30 2021 No.34059328
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So here’s one, and hopefully someone better acquainted with canon can tell me where to look.

What the fuck is Youmu’s deal? Why is she a halfghost? Why does she serve Yuyuko? What’s up with her special(?) sword(s)?

Do any of the printworks go into her background at all? At some point on /jp/ I saw anons talking about her father, when/where was he ever mentioned in-canon?

I want to know about this dork.

Anonymous Sat Apr 3 13:27:58 2021 No.34066541

>>34059247
At the end of the fairy manga, Hecatia punishes Clownpiece by stopping her from returning to hell and forces her to stay in Gensokyo. Presumably Clownpiece is still in her burrow under the shrine but at least we know she's still living in Gensokyo I guess?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 3 21:34:29 2021 No.34073010 >>33881606 She's an imp.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 4 02:42:16 2021 No.34077379 I wonder if CDS will return.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 4 15:40:04 2021 No.34088045 >>33867555 Best detective, better than that Hololive bitch

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 5 00:36:30 2021 No.34094096 Satori can read minds, but can she "see" with her third eye?

Anonymous Mon Apr 5 05:10:54 2021 No.34097561

>>34094096
She could “see” danmaku patterns of whoever the player character was paired with in SA, supposedly cause those patterns were on the player character’s mind. So it must not be strictly limited to inner monologue, and have some actual ‘vision’ ability if a person is thinking of an image.

Mystery solved!

Anonymous Mon Apr 5 17:45:37 2021 No.34109392

This isn't a mystery or loose end, just something I want clarified. I've always assumed that Yuyuko killed herself to help seal the Saigyouji Ayakashi, but the wiki (yeah, I know) says she "was driven to suicide by her ability to control spirits." Was that mentioned in any official source? If that was the case I would think Eiki wouldn't have put her in charge of the Netherworld.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 5 22:41:30 2021 No.34113163 >>33867555 Maribel and Yukari.

Anonymous Tue Apr 6 00:13:27 2021 No.34114236

>>34109392
I can’t answer you, but do we know Eiki put her in charge of the netherworld? I assumed she ended up there ‘naturally’ due to the strange circumstances of her death, and that she just sort of took over on her own.

Netherworld itself seems sort of divorced from the other afterlives/hells/etc that are all connected, like it’s a waiting room that is distinctly separate from the ‘proper’ afterlife. At least I can’t think of any time Eiki or Komachi acted with any sense of jurisdiction there (barely played PoFV though). Even when Satori visited on official hell duty, they seemed to meet with her as a courtesy and to gather their own info, rather than any obligation. I might have missed something though.

Anonymous Tue Apr 6 12:31:03 2021 No.34122432

>>34059328
>What the fuck is Youmu’s deal?
She's a dork, weak minded, and overall low on brainpower.
>Why is she a halfghost?
Genetics. It's just her family/clan's trait.
>Why does she serve Yuyuko?
Her family/clan does
>What’s up with her special(?) sword(s)?
Heirlooms.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 6 12:36:36 2021 No.34122507 >>34007454 It worked in Persona 2 and ZUN is a fan of SMT, so...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 6 14:01:39 2021 No.34123814 >>34006111 He arrived to the shrine at some point, and hadn't the time to introduce himself before Reimu told him to fuck off if he wasn't here to make a donation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 6 17:14:55 2021 No.34125876 >>34114236 Yuyuko's PMiSS article says the Yama put her in charge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 6 22:40:39 2021 No.34129254 >>34109392 >but the wiki (yeah, I know) might be a dumb question, but what's wrong with the wiki?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 7 05:50:58 2021 No.34132439 bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 7 06:00:36 2021 No.34132544 File: 616 KB, 828x456, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34007454

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 7 09:07:05 2021 No.34134968 File: 120 KB, 283x394, hitler2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34007454 Touhou 19 Lebensraum?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 7 09:50:50 2021 No.34135611 >>34129254 I dunno, I keep hearing people say to read it if they're lore fags

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 7 19:24:48 2021 No.34142868 >>34007454 If that were possible, then a lot of other shit would be there as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 7 21:38:06 2021 No.34144726 Detective Satori will return after this message commercial

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 8 01:02:05 2021 No.34147032 >>34132544 He's right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 8 04:36:58 2021 No.34148449 >>34142868 the urban legend incident happened.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 8 12:59:19 2021 No.34154601 >>33867555 Bumping, because holo teens are throwing a hissy fit again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 8 17:14:28 2021 No.34158253 .

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 8 18:31:31 2021 No.34159404 up

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 9 00:48:30 2021 No.34163490 File: 202 KB, 1500x1500, 1616635868733.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34154601 back to page 1 !!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 9 12:30:50 2021 No.34171292 >>33867555 the only mystery is how we went from 2hu jp to vtuber jp

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 9 18:34:28 2021 No.34175746 >>34171292 just report and ignore shitposting retards the only hard part is waiting for the mod to actually get his fat ass to the screen

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 10 05:20:12 2021 No.34182007 >>34171292 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 10 14:14:37 2021 No.34189103 >>33867555

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 10 19:31:56 2021 No.34193632 The biggest mystery is why dumb dumbs still exist in every era

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 10 19:50:12 2021 No.34193847 File: 195 KB, 524x531, 1607557908465.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33867555 What race is Sakuya?

Anonymous Sat Apr 10 19:50:32 2021 No.34193856

>>34193632
Not really, every person have knowledge about something, but most of people dont know about everything. And really most people dont care about wisdom or knowledge, they only care about their own well beign, and they usually gain this by just beign good at one simple thing and its usually not wisdom or knowledge outside of that particular talent or skill.
They are content with what they know and rather dont pursuit more knowledge, since its quite true what they say: knowledge brings suffering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 10 19:51:32 2021 No.34193868 >>34193847 Human.

Anonymous Sun Apr 11 00:40:19 2021 No.34197780

>>34193856
That's true, but that's part of why things remain the way they do now. Practical skills will do well in the long term, but part of why things are how they are is because people are easily taken advantage of.
Whenever someone wants to pursue a dream, they're told to get a different aspiration.
Hitler wanted to be an artist, but he ended up a dictator.
Doctors and Lawyers give 10-15 years of their life for a degree, for one single person half their age to make as much as they do doing less than half of the effort required.
The more I read, the more I find that things have not changed. The only different being how advanced we are compared to just 100, or even 1000 years prior.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 03:16:08 2021 No.34199290 File: 126 KB, 750x714, Ev_Lv_vXcAcAgm3.jpg_large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the perfect cherry blossom incident

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 14:47:22 2021 No.34206815 >>34199290 oof. I don't know if I should be glad that trollface is making a comeback. It's still better than most other memes now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 11 16:46:40 2021 No.34208231 >>34206815 >oof global rule 2

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 02:05:32 2021 No.34214444 >>34208231 GR2 is quality of posts right? Or is it irrelevant catchphrases?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 10:54:30 2021 No.34219657 >>34214444 >>>/global/rules#2

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 10:55:32 2021 No.34219666 >>34214444 >>>/global/rules/2

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 12 23:24:15 2021 No.34227785 >>34219666 Oh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 12:34:11 2021 No.34238599 >>33883543 I say they won't be seen for a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 13 18:37:08 2021 No.34242491 nothing to add right now

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 03:10:41 2021 No.34247310 I have one. Why do people always forget Hourai?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 03:12:21 2021 No.34247329 >>34247310 Who?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 03:23:02 2021 No.34247413 Who are Marisa's parents? Who are Reimu's parents?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 08:25:01 2021 No.34249703 >>34247413 >Who are Marisa's parents? Normal people who couldn't deal with Marisa wanting to be special and talking to green-haired ghosts. >Who are Reimu's parents? Dead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 13:46:53 2021 No.34254931 >>34247329 The superior Alice doll.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 14 20:15:01 2021 No.34259620 not yet

Anonymous Thu Apr 15 06:51:02 2021 No.34264975
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>>34247413
>Who are Marisa's parents?
Her dad is confirmed alive but not seen and her mom is Mima. Marisa was borned before Mima died, or she'd be a half-ghost like Youmu.

>>34247413
>Who are Reimu's parents?
Pic related is Raymoo's hot mum.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 15 17:54:05 2021 No.34274117 >>34247413 I think all we know is that Marisa's dad runs a shop in the village and Rinnosuke used to work for him. I recommend tackling Curiosities of Lotus Asia. It's one of the weirder and ZUN-ier printworks but the chapters are short.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 03:07:02 2021 No.34279837 up

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 14:13:21 2021 No.34287264 >>34247413 unknown and unknown At least with Marisa, it is known that she left over a dispute regarding magic. Reimu is a different story.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 16 22:01:40 2021 No.34293623 How is enough alcohol produced in Gensokyo to support its inhabitants? Is the Human Village the only human settlement or is it simply the main one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 06:34:00 2021 No.34298851 >>34293623 Sake bugs, they dont have real sake

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 18:54:16 2021 No.34309678 >>34293623 I like to think there's just one, but there could be other settlements. It would be pretty stupid for there to be just one of them in all honesty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 17 23:46:44 2021 No.34313614 >>33949094 There's the stuff with Eirin if that counts. It's a weird ability. I might revisit this later.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 02:19:24 2021 No.34315360 >>33867555

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 02:19:27 2021 No.34315361 >>34298851 >they dont have real sake Someone fix this.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 03:58:40 2021 No.34316283

What do regular human villagers know of or think about the outside world?

Do they think youkai are all over the world and that Gensokyo’s system is still the standard? What do they know about the outside world’s impressive technology? Are they really never curious about being able to leave?

How are newcomers from the outside world treated? Do their stories of the outside world not entice people?

The secret human organization that knows the truth of Gensokyo is one of the most interesting parts of canon to me, but far as I know it’s only ever been hinted at.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 11:08:24 2021 No.34323661

>>34316283
I'm pretty sure it's mentioned somewhere that Sumireko tells stories about the outside world to the villagers.
Not sure if it mentions their reactions though. But it's probably easy to infer. If some homeless lass walked up to you and told you how she can travel to your town in her dreams and the place she comes from has flying horseless carts and you can communicate with other people with your fingers and women have been replaced with automated kemonomimi loli wives and degenerate diaperfags and feetfags have been turned into anal paste for gays...
...you'd look at them like they're some nutjob.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 16:43:58 2021 No.34328464 >>34316283 I don't recall anything. Anything to do with it is known only to the youkai, and even they hold it one of two ways. A taboo or with total disregard as they can visit there as they please.

Anonymous Sun Apr 18 22:05:53 2021 No.34331637

>>34315361
Outside world imports are rarities. Whoever could pass through would have a monopoly. Just going to the outside world is enough to have people keep it a secret, so they're probably better off figuring out how to make sake themselves. That or Miyoi can create real sake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 18 22:06:20 2021 No.34331640 [Heartbeat Soundeffect]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 19 13:31:13 2021 No.34342174 >>34331640 [Intro continues]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 19 20:29:04 2021 No.34347155 >>34331640 2poopy4me

Anonymous Mon Apr 19 21:15:37 2021 No.34347589

>>34316283
iirc the villagers are curious about outsiders and are interested in hearing news about events in the outside world. Outsiders talk big about the wonders of technology but can't explain the details of how it works or how to make it.

Sometimes they settle down in the village, sometimes they leave, sometimes a youkai has them for dinner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 20 06:06:05 2021 No.34351509 Many mysteries

Anonymous Tue Apr 20 09:03:40 2021 No.34353722

>>34316283
No idea. They know a bit about it, but are largely ignorant or dont care. Some of them try to leave, but get axed by the crimson slasher.
Outsiders that enter the barrier get sent back by reimu. Some go to the village, some (those that were about to die) get turned into youkai food by yukari.

Anonymous Tue Apr 20 12:23:51 2021 No.34356356

Currently reading symposium of post-mysticism. Wondering about how exactly entering Gensokyo works. I always assumed that one would have to enter Gensokyo willfully, but in the meeting between Miko, Byakuren and Kanako it sounds more like they just got forcefully ejected there when they got forgotten in the outside world. Which makes sense, now that I think about it.
I guess if it didn't catch everyone then sleeping/inactive characters like Miko and dumber youkai would have all been annihilated.

Anonymous Tue Apr 20 17:20:49 2021 No.34359851

>>34347589
>Outsiders talk big about the wonders of technology but can't explain the details of how it works or how to make it.
Ha, that makes sense. I wonder what would happen if an engineer or electrician or someone who understood how to really make technology ended up in the village, if they could get electrics working how much that would upset the balance of things.

But even if you knew what to do, getting the supplies would be next to impossible. There are no plastics and I dont think the village has access to a large amount of conductive metals such as copper.

You’d have to risk dealing with the kappa, and they might just steal your soul from out your ass.

>>34356356
Just as there is more than one way for a youkai to be created, there is more than one way into gensokyo. Some who are forgotten get dumped in, some who are forgotten likely just disappear. Some can just wander into gensokyo, others have to specifically try.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 21 12:54:14 2021 No.34370490 >>34356356 I like to think they would still exist, but they wouldn't have much of a manifestation; they'd exist in name or concept only until they do make it to Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 21 18:48:37 2021 No.34374697 >>34008418 Maybe I was misremembering, but wasn't Yukari all for yokai staying in Gensokyo while others like Kasen wanted yokai to re-enter the outside world?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 21 23:38:52 2021 No.34377413 >>34008418 >Why doesn't Yukari stir up belief in the outside work by preforming some physic-defying feats using her abilities? Because many would be quicker to kill her than believe her.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 22 02:17:30 2021 No.34378836 >>34008418 Maybe she's depowered in the outside world. She could be limited only to doing weak paranormal activity most of which will just be attributed to hallucinations or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 22 02:32:35 2021 No.34378970 >>34378836 Yukari is that asshole that makes your small items disappear. That damn fucking hag stole my beloved hankerchief.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 22 03:28:59 2021 No.34379392 File: 533 KB, 1200x1200, 1610028955963-bant.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is the flow of time in Gensokyo any different from the Outside World? Are Reimu and other human girls hags by now? Will Akyuu die in the next 3-4 years?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 22 03:30:04 2021 No.34379399 VIPRPG2021GW https://viprpg2021gw.x.fc2.com/

Anonymous Thu Apr 22 03:36:29 2021 No.34379446

>>34374697
>wasn't Yukari all for yokai staying in Gensokyo while others like Kasen wanted yokai to re-enter the outside world?
I think you've got that reversed.

>>34378970
Could've been worse, you could've been spirited away to becoming youkai food. Unless you're into that, in which case yeah what a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 22 04:01:40 2021 No.34379686 >>34379392 I would assume the barrier-outside time ratio can be changed if Yukari felt like it

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 22 17:31:45 2021 No.34391334 >>34379399 ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 23 00:10:09 2021 No.34395194 >>34379446 Now that I think about it, yeah, probably.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 23 15:33:07 2021 No.34406865 >>34378970 >Yukari is that asshole that makes your small items disappear More like hides them under your bed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 23 15:34:25 2021 No.34406881 File: 2.41 MB, 1532x952, top10touhouconspiracies.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Patchouli is a Lunarian

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 23 17:15:32 2021 No.34408012 >>33885745 That's happen in Curiosities of Lotus Asia, also in the AFiEU book/magazine too. I'm not gonna say which techs, so read yourself to know

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 23 23:03:07 2021 No.34411767 >>34406881 Patche is not a Lunarian.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 24 00:31:28 2021 No.34412514 >>34411767 Sakuya is the Lunarian, duh

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 24 06:03:21 2021 No.34415391 >>34406865 That's creepy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 24 20:44:56 2021 No.34425811 >>34406865 Dammit, Yukari, stop messing with my socks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 25 05:58:05 2021 No.34432479 >>34406865 yukari please its not funny stop hiding cables

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 25 06:34:38 2021 No.34432781 File: 771 KB, 1200x850, Muslimchouli.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34406881 The bitter truth is that she is a black muslim nationalist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 25 13:33:41 2021 No.34438431 Nazo

Anonymous Sun Apr 25 18:52:09 2021 No.34442607
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>>33867555
Where does Remi get her fortune from? Sure she could have entered Gensokyo with it, but employing all those fairy maids and goblins for years must have drained whatever she originally had by now.

Why do Fandre and Remi look so different if they are both sisters and vampires?

What is Reisen's level of medical expertise? She definitely isn't as smart as her master, but can she call herself a doctor in her own right? Is she skilled enough to run her own practice?

Are the fighting games still considered danmaku, or did everyone just decide to take a break from the rules and allow punches, kicks and melee weapons for a while? If it is, does that imply that those thing go on in the normal shumps as well?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 25 20:00:00 2021 No.34443316 >>33867715 Yes, one of the moonies suggested they created youkai. It could be untrue, however. They do lie

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 25 20:02:02 2021 No.34443337 >>33868349 Satori is basically running a zoo in her house (a castle), Kasen ain't got as many pets

Anonymous Sun Apr 25 20:07:49 2021 No.34443378

>>33874923
>>33883509
They only don't get along, it's not hate. They're still colleagues, so they will still work together, they just don't like one another. Momiji, according to Aya's perception, looks down on her class of tengu. As for Aya herself, there are many reasons to dislike Aya. Most characters do not like her

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 25 20:09:55 2021 No.34443396 >>33883809 >>33883816 The closest would be how eating the guts of a Hourai immortal will make you, also, a Hourai immortal. I can recall no mentions of eating youkai

Anonymous Sun Apr 25 20:14:41 2021 No.34443432

>>33883848
Urban legends are malleable but actually youkai change themselves, humans cannot change them. Examples are how humans believe that kappa have factories on the mountain, but they don't (the smoke is from Iwanagahime/the mountain itself). Also on the note of kappa, both Rinnosuke and Reimu note how youkai have chosen to change their appearance over time, basically. You also have Kogasa attempting to find new purpose that goes against her initial purpose
If a youkai is explained through science and reason, however, its race will die out (yamabiko/echoes)

Anonymous Sun Apr 25 20:19:06 2021 No.34443461

>>33947205
>I always figured Sakuya came to the SDM as a hunter but then saw the inhabitants were actually pretty peaceful. Remi doesnt kill people and even locked her sister in the basement to keep people safe. According to Akyuu the only time SDM really attacks anyone is if they tried to break and enter, which is pretty fair.
My problem with Hunter Sakuya is that Remilia changed Sakuya's name. She owns Sakuya, in other words. It's possible in defeat Remilia changed Sakuya's name, but that doesn't seem to be her MO. Her MO is caring for weird and forsaken pets. Chupacabra, Flandre, Hobgoblins and yes, Sakuya qualifies. Sakuya's powers made humanity detest her, and so she at first detested humanity. All canon

My headcanon is Remi adopted/found her. Double headcanon is that she's a fallen Lunarian child

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 25 20:20:25 2021 No.34443473 >>34443461 Note Lunarians are basically humans and they become entirely mortal when exposed to impurity. They're actually mortal on the moon as well, but very long lived

Anonymous Sun Apr 25 20:31:49 2021 No.34443564

>>33971530
>It says she fails to make more vampires, so she apparently wasn't not trying to kill people.
I don't believe it implies that. While it's true that it's worded like it's happenstance that they survive (since she's a light eater), I don't know if you can derive intent from her eating just to survive herself. She fails to make new vampires because, well, she fails. I'm not even certain just killing a person through feeding leads to vampirism in touhou rules, though I guess her EoSD profile implies that that's at least a part if not the whole of it.

Then again the word used does imply "missing", so there could be intent? I resist the idea since it really is only in that profile that anything like that is suggested. She has only offered vampirism to one person in canon afaik (Sakuya), but otherwise seems to have no interest in making other vampires. Even when she arrived and rampaged, supposedly she only attacked people and youkai rather than trying to increase the size of her brood.

Anonymous Sun Apr 25 21:04:14 2021 No.34443849
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>>33899933
>>33904310
>>33894970
just repeating that "vampire hunter" as a theory is dumb and if you need any more reason to believe it's bullshit, Hieda no "Reisen is a youkai, Eirin and Kaguya are humans, and Mokou is a ninja" Akyuu is the sole proponent of the theory.

Having silver knives doesn't mean she's definitely a vampire. Hell, Remilia could've literally given her silver knives just like she gave Sakuya her very name.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 25 23:47:23 2021 No.34445250 >>34443849 i'm pretty sure the vampire hunter theory predates Akyuu's nonsense

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 00:12:56 2021 No.34445447

>>34445250
It doesn't, it's the first canon instance of the theory, and if anything since it's Akyuu speculating should basically serve to discard the theory's validity.

ZUN doesn't really let fan theories have any impact on what he writes, hence Ran still being a boring computer despite all the mommy art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 00:13:56 2021 No.34445460 >>34445447 to be clear: when Akyuu's speculation she has an abysmal record. As long as she actually knows what she's talking about, she's useful (unlike Rinnosuke, a similar character, who talks out of his ass 80% of the time)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 00:19:50 2021 No.34445505 File: 157 KB, 401x448, Th16Eternity.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33867555 Her full story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:10:41 2021 No.34453292 >>34412514 She isn't. >>34415391 It's not. It's just annoying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:12:34 2021 No.34453328 >>34443849 >Having silver knives doesn't mean she's definitely a vampire. Well what other color do knives come in? Green?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:13:37 2021 No.34453345 >>34445447 >Akyuu speculating should basically serve to discard the theory's validity. Akyuu is a hit or miss.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 16:48:18 2021 No.34456733 >>34445447 I didn't mean in canon, I meant in general

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 16:49:34 2021 No.34456750 >>34443461 >>34443849 Where was it said Remi gave Sakuya her name?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:03:23 2021 No.34461792

>>34456750
by ZUN himself

>> ・Sakuya's Origins
>> Looking at the description from Embodiment of Scarlet Devil,
>> > She's already given up on befriending other humans.
>> is written. Are these humans she's given up befriending from the human world (outside Gensokyo)?
>> Or, do even the humans in Gensokyo that walk around with youkai consider her
>> time manipulation abilities to be taboo?

>I blurred the finer details of Sakuya and Remilia's settings because I had planned to publicize
those somewhere eventually, but that occasion never arose (laugh)

>What I will say is, Sakuya isn't from Gensokyo.
Sakuya Izayoi is a name given to her by Remilia, and her real name is different.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN/ZUN%27s_E-mails

>>34453345
When she speculates it's basically a near 100% miss rate, when she knows the subject it's near 100% hit.
>>34456733
I know. My point if anything is that you can probably see it being brought up by the usually wrong theorist within canon as a means to dismiss it as a theory.
That and it's a dumb theory. Nothing about Sakuya other than combat ability and her knives would indicate her as a hunter. She's a maid first, and she didn't even like humans before like PoFV so it's perplexing to assume that she would become a protector of humans. Fuck humans, why would she hunt vampires for them when they forsook her?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:51:15 2021 No.34465980 >>33983202 at least he actually summarized her history rather than leaving it unknown

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:52:35 2021 No.34473040 File: 134 KB, 850x413, sample-fb676693938ae8fc67662dfb7174a13e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33882533 >>34113163 If you don't question this, you are not interested in touhou lore at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:08:53 2021 No.34476361 >>34443849 If the theory is dumb, then what else is there. Hard mode, no retarded lunarian theories.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:48:03 2021 No.34477556 >>34476361 First ZUN basically implied Lunarian connection himself leading up to IN and within the IN trial. Secondly she could just be an adopted human, there is nothing incredible about that

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:25:04 2021 No.34478278 it is a mystery

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:49:53 2021 No.34479383 >>34006111 It can't. She needs to know its rites to summon it. It's currently so weak/without faith that all it can do is grant power to the yin yang orbs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:50:31 2021 No.34479387 >>34038337 Rinnosuke has spoken a lot about dragons, and there's an article on them in pmiss

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 16:03:58 2021 No.34487671 >>34479387 I'll go back and reread it then-- I'm not sure if I read over it or skipped around that portion.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 18:48:46 2021 No.34489735

>>34442607
>Where does Remi get her fortune from? Sure she could have entered Gensokyo with it, but employing all those fairy maids and goblins for years must have drained whatever she originally had by now.
It's possible she has some income via fate manipulation bullshit. Or maybe the fact that Gensokyo is the land of fantasy means that the "fantasy" of her being rich makes it so.

>Are the fighting games still considered danmaku, or did everyone just decide to take a break from the rules and allow punches, kicks and melee weapons for a while? If it is, does that imply that those thing go on in the normal shumps as well?
The Silent Sinner in Blue manga also shows a danmaku fight. The spell cards used resemble fighting game moves somewhat, but there's no punching/kicking/etc.

My belief is that the manga is the most "accurate" depiction of danmaku from a narrative sense, the fighting games are almost accurate but with added melee attacks just to flesh out fighting game movesets, and that the shmup games are just heavily gamified versions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 19:10:54 2021 No.34489952 >>34442607 Grandpa Drac’s coffers She inherited castlevania and turned it into a modest mansion

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 19:18:19 2021 No.34490032

>>34473040
I definitely think Maribel is Yukari somehow
With Suika saying “Yukari’s existence is a fraud” or something like that
Could she have manipulated the barrier between time or her age? Is she actually 17 eternally because of boundaries. I think Yukari isn’t her name either and one she made for herself
And that whole bamboo forest note in PMISS

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 19:23:02 2021 No.34490068 >>34490032 It could even be something simpler, I.e. Maribel being a descendant Or one could be a projection of the other into their respective worlds?

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 19:32:53 2021 No.34490133

>>34490032
>>34490068
On the note of her existence being fraudulent, perhaps the fraud is time-travel? Say if Maribel lived as herself for sometime then figured out how to go to the past with boundaries, she may have changed her name to Yakumo Yukari. Since Yukari wasn’t supposed to be in Japan thousands of years before she was technically “born” it would mean she is a fraud, she is something that shouldn’t exist. I assume then that she went back in time to Japan before Gensoukyou, became a youkai through learning more about her boundary power, and then living there. It may not be a causal loop or bootstrap paradox either as she doesn’t have to interact with her past self at all. She is likely based on Lafcadio Hearn, who went to Japan and became “Yakumo”.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 20:13:48 2021 No.34490479 >>34487671 There's also WaHH plus that early chapter of the fairy manga where Reimu talks about the connection between dragons and rainbows.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 23:23:18 2021 No.34493064 >>34490133 wtf there was a guy called lafcadio hearn with a pen name koizumi yakumo all this time?? theory confirmed

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 23:33:59 2021 No.34493286

>>34493064
Yes. ZUN even mentioned him by name when asked about the relationship between Maribel and Yukari. Also his Japanese surname of Yakumo ( 八雲 ) is spelt the same way as Yukari's surname.

The Touhou wiki also lists some more circumstantial evidence that suggests the two are the same person or at least related.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Maribel_Hearn#Possibly_Relevant_Facts_to_the_Relationship_Between_Maribel_.26_Yukari

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 23:39:31 2021 No.34493400

>>34493286
>>34493064
>>34490133
yeah it's basically simply a not-directly-stated truth
Maribel can travel through time, and her powers are growing to be able to manipulate boundaries/Renko thinks that she is no different/becoming no different from a youkai. She also has expressed a desire to change Gensokyo into an ideal paradise.
Maribel went to the past, whether this was after or before becoming a youkai isn't known of course. She changed her name, just like Lafcadio, and became Yakumo. Rinnosuke mentions directly that Yukari's original name is not Yakumo Yukari, and ZUN mentioned the Hearn connection, about a man who moved to somewhere new and changed his name to become naturalized.
Yukari's obvious goals are to change Gensokyo into a paradise. Maribel and Yukari both speculated on using the moon's reflection to travel to it.

They're the same person. There's everything suggesting this, and nothing suggesting that they're simply "related"/one is an ancestor or something, only the fact that ZUN hasn't OUTRIGHT said or made it text that they're the same person.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 23:47:02 2021 No.34493556

>>34490479
>>34487671
For the record dragons are actually very mysterious in touhou lore, which is why I haven't really summarized what they're about. The way The Dragon God is described is actually a lot more like "existence itself/nature" than a being, as it seems to exist through all things and manifests as weather (most notably, rainbows are supposed to be the trails left behind by a dragon/the dragon). It's very strange. Then there are actual dragons: incredibly rare beings. There's the dragon palace, which has an unknown location that Toyohime lied about (saying it was on the moon). Although Iku is in the skies in SWR, and is a messenger of the palace, it seems that the palace is not in heaven. It's described as being in another world. There's the fuckoff huge dragon in the sky who wants to eat polaris and end existence, etc
and there's Kasen's dragon. He's just a cute dragon.

Yachie has no lore to her about dragon stuff, but when I read up on kicchou it turned out that they're literally dragons, like I thought they were turtle-dragons but they're actually fraternal twins of "regular" dragons. At least, this is the case in mythology, so perhaps not Touhou (ZUN doesn't always follow myth). The myth is that from every dragon egg, a dragon and kicchou are born. Both are 100% dragon

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 23:50:26 2021 No.34493628 >>34493556 sorry bleh, a dragon lays two eggs, one is a kicchou and the other is a dragon. Still twins, in a way. Irish twins/same small litter

Anonymous Thu Apr 29 00:54:05 2021 No.34494421

>>34442607
>employing all those fairy maids and goblins for years must have drained whatever she originally had by now.
They aren't paid. They have no sort of contract and they're free to become maids or stop being maids whenever they want. They also don't do much other than cook for themselves and clean up after themselves. Essentially, Remi just set out some maid outfits for the fairies to cosplay in and make the mansion look fancy.

Anonymous Thu Apr 29 01:31:25 2021 No.34494697

>>34494421
Corroborating. I'm not sure where it was said officially but it may've been in PMiSS that it was stated the fairies work for free. In the Fairies manga, Remi talks about taking care of their mental health. The hobgoblins are implied to work for "free" in that Remilia is the only person willing to give them food and a home.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 29 02:15:31 2021 No.34494996 Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but in WBaWC the ghosts couldn't do shit against Keiki's haniwa idols so they got the flesh and blood humans to go smash some clay, right? Does that mean Saki and Yachie are ghosts/spirits too?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 29 12:11:51 2021 No.34501711 solve

Anonymous Thu Apr 29 12:59:26 2021 No.34502341

>>34494996
It's possible that the idols are invulnerable against any sort of youkai thing in the same way youkai are immune to human illnesses and the like.
Or maybe it's part of the whole "yakuza" act. The bosses don't do things themselves, that's what goons are for, that's how mafia works.

Anonymous Thu Apr 29 17:46:02 2021 No.34505738

>>34442607
>Are the fighting games still considered danmaku, or did everyone just decide to take a break from the rules and allow punches, kicks and melee weapons for a while? If it is, does that imply that those thing go on in the normal shumps as well?
In at least one of the games, part of the plot was that they were fighting in front of a crowd for fame/respect as watching that had become the recent ‘fad’ that gensokyans were into. So in that case you could excuse it as being different from the usual rules.

It’s weird to think, but you know how a lot of people take danmaku as ‘symbolic’ of battles when there actually are in-canon danmaku rules and it’s officially how disputes are settled. Well maybe the actual fights are ‘symbolic’ of a danmaku battle.

Keep in mind a few ancient reawakened characters probably didnt even know about the danmaku ruleset, so they either tried fighting for real or had them explained off screen. Same for any nee arrivals to the land. So it’s pretty likely some danmaku fights in the stg mainline games werent going by the usual danmaku rules.

I’ve wondered the same thing as you pretty frequently since I like to think about how I’d do my own touhou fighter. Which I probably wont ever, but it’s fun to imagine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 29 23:05:58 2021 No.34509186 one moment.

Anonymous Fri Apr 30 04:40:50 2021 No.34512497

>>34442607
>>34489735
>>34505738
For fighting games it's a little column A, a little column B. Like the mainlines, the duels are abstracted. That said, there ARE "valid" physical attacks in spell card duels. Cross referencing with Grimoire of Marisa you'll find that Suika's cards are noted as "not danmaku" since in half of them she just picks you up and throws you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 30 04:59:03 2021 No.34512650 >>34494996 Could be that they were simply not powerful enough to go against the whole haniwa army by themselves, and since most animal realm residents are spirits they had to get someone from Gensokyo.

Anonymous Fri Apr 30 07:52:15 2021 No.34514300

>>34494996
The answer is ???????

My headcanon is that they're all spirits, and they can manifest either in bodily form or goast form. ZUN actually originally intended to make all the spirits actual characters so I feel like that's probably what he was thinking.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 30 17:36:43 2021 No.34522483 >>34442607 >employing all those fairy maids and goblins for years must have drained whatever she originally had by now Part of fate is free will. She doesn't really need to alter the fates of her workers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 30 17:39:33 2021 No.34522508 >>34442607 >Why do Fandre and Remi look so different if they are both sisters and vampires? Same reason why two brothers can grow up and have different hair colors. One stays primarily gold, the other fades to brown.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 30 17:43:40 2021 No.34522546 File: 95 KB, 431x551, 32b11a58dc6c8263babfd96b817427ef662c4aebcc2f74f07716d4a82077ce40.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Which 'hu can I realistically bone?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 30 17:48:51 2021 No.34522586 >>34171292 They're slowly leaving, look at 4stats.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 1 00:32:48 2021 No.34526394 >>34163490 'gasa

>>	Anonymous Sat May 1 00:36:25 2021 No.34526433 >>34522546 Any depending on your charisma. How well do you talk to people, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 1 00:38:49 2021 No.34526470 >>34522546 A human villager at best.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 1 00:43:08 2021 No.34526520 >>34526433 Nevermind. Remove the ones that would kill you on sight or don’t speak to humans.

Anonymous Sat May 1 00:49:27 2021 No.34526573

>>34522546
None? Any 2hu would realistic beat any regular human's ass, even the pathetic weaklings like Wriggle, Daiyousei and Lily White. Maybe you can rape one of the female human villagers. I don't think the human village has a police force or a justice system so I think it's fair game unless the shrine maiden gets you.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 1 00:54:40 2021 No.34526629 >>34522546 Kisume, unless you realistically willow branch her.

Anonymous Sat May 1 01:07:24 2021 No.34526755
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>>34526573
I am going to bone (and then lovingly marry) Alice and there is nothing she, or that penniless shabby shrine maiden can do to stop me. I am destined to live the easy NEET life together with my NEET puppeteer wife until death do us apart.

Anonymous Sat May 1 11:19:56 2021 No.34532532

>>34522546
Rumia would be the easiest.
Maybe Kisume, because she has a habit of throwing skulls around.
I don't think many youkai eat humans anymore, nor bones, but i am a lot would if you asked them politely.
Remember to cut your calcium intake before.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 1 13:18:18 2021 No.34534081 >>34526573 I didn't say rape, I could try the romance route. Also I'd be surprised if the human village didn't have some sort of law enforcment, or vigilante, or even a father pissed off that I raped his daughter.

Anonymous Sat May 1 16:44:29 2021 No.34536378
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>>33867555
What level of knowledge does the USA and the rest of the world have about the supernatural? The US fought in the lunar war, so they have knowledge of the Lunarians, but seem to keep it under wraps. Do other countries know? It's hard to imagine the Russians didn't have some knowledge of those events going on since they were hot on the heels of the US in the space race. The US would also most likely keep tabs on their old enemies. Are they aware of any of the moon's conflicts between Gensokyo or Hell? How many people in the government actually have this kind of knowledge?

Anonymous Sat May 1 18:18:10 2021 No.34537108

>>34536378
"the lunar war" is literally just neil, buzz and micheal doing their photographs and playing golf while lunarians were having a spergout in their capital. the actual lunar war was when yukari tried to take over the capital.
anything about an actual conflict is shitty memes.

Anonymous Sun May 2 05:18:31 2021 No.34544515
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>>34536378
As >>34537108 said the lunar was is a bad example as nothing happened between the humans and lunarians.

However the existence of the Secret Sealing Club (and even Yumemi if we still consider that to be canon) proves that it's possible for outside world humans to know and even visit Gensokyo.

There's no official infos about people in the west knowing the existence of Gensokyo so my headcanon would be that very few people could maybe know and certainly not the governments as they're too busy thinking what dumb shit they'll do next.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 06:00:42 2021 No.34544804 >>34536378 the only outsiders that have knowledge of gensokyo are the cast of PoDD, Sumi, Renko and Maribel. Sumi mentioned that she showed pictures around but people dismissed them as cosplay.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 09:40:29 2021 No.34547859 >>34544515 >and even Yumemi if we still consider that to be canon Here’s a question, is there actually any reason to consider the PC-98 games non canon? Was EoSD actually a reboot?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 10:53:10 2021 No.34549097 >>34534081 >romance route This is what VNs do to a person. You need rehab, anon.

Anonymous Sun May 2 10:57:33 2021 No.34549168
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>>34537108
>>34544515
No, you're wrong, there was fighting and the astronauts even got injured. And in TOuhou universe NASA is still sending astronauts on the moon (at least as of 2004). You should play the games and get to know the lore before commenting.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 11:36:14 2021 No.34549776 >>34549168 And afterwards sanae asks for more information, which junko doesnt give. At least post the whole dialogue instead of snippets that suit your agenda like some jew.

Anonymous Sun May 2 11:45:15 2021 No.34549908

>>34549776
That's not the only proof, that the astronauts actually fought the lunarians.

In PoFV Eiki tells Reisen, that: "You abandoned your allies, letting them die, while you're the only one here living happily. [...] For that sake, you'll be judged here! With your allies you left on the moon and their resentment!". THis clearly shows, that moon rabbits did die right after Reisen escpaed (1969).

In SSiB Yorihime says: “There aren't many rabbits left who took part in the last war.” You may say, that "the last war" is a Yukari's invasion, but that war was completly unsuccesful, and woulnd't completly destroy the lunarian army.

Also Reisen's and Kaguya's profiles tell us, humans are actively trying to build a base on the moon (in 2004 nonetheless). This is literally the reason for the "Imperishable Night" incident.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 13:26:11 2021 No.34551552 >>34532532 Your post makes me think you're not a native English speaker but know enough to try punning, but the pun doesn't work since bone (noun) and bone (verb) are too different. If can't be misconstrued to suit the pun

Anonymous Sun May 2 13:48:40 2021 No.34551810

>>34549908
1) Eiki exaggerates, and in actuality she did not lie. What she actually says is that Reisen abandoned her allies "leaving them *to* die" (and that is literal, as stated in Japanese). The actual sin is that she left her allies believing that leaving them would mean they would, or more importantly, COULD die. In other words a sin of betrayal. Eiki actually never says whether or not they definitely died, just that Reisen left them despite knowing the possibility. Further there is nothing which directly states that the conflict resulted in rabbit deaths. I'll get to what Yorihime said

2) While the war was indeed unsuccessful, you need to remember that rabbits are the Lunarians' first line of defense, AND most of them are pathetic and weak. In other words, it is possible that the youkai invasion of the *actual*, definitely happened first lunar war led by Yukari resulted in rabbit deaths until Lunarians themselves (who are actually completely overpowered) joined the fray and slaughtered the youkai invaders.

3) This doesn't mean that humans know about anything, just that they're indeed trying to build a base on the moon.

Here's what Kaguya's IN profile explains Reisen had to say about the "war" between Lunarians and Americans:
>It had been more than a century since Gensokyo was cut from the human world. They were living quietly without meeting anyone. On that day, a rabbit ran into their home. She claimed to be a rabbit from the moon who had come because she heard rumours about Gensokyo, a place where non-humans live. She then said, "humans are invading the moon and it's becoming nearly impossible for people of the Moon to live there. These humans stuck a flag on the moon and are acting like the moon belongs to them".
>The rabbit had escaped from the front line of a war, leaving her allies behind...
Once more leaving things ambiguous, because the main issue here is that they planted a flag, and there is no elaboration on what the "front line" actually was.

All this said, I personally headcanon that there was indeed American violent resistance, and bunny deaths, but my point is that it's actually intentionally left ambiguous. Even the Sanae thing you (I assume) mentioned only alludes vaguely to "wounds" being left on the astronauts, and Junko words this as a rumor.

Lunarians in Touhou are surrounded by lies and general misinformation. Lunarians have Chang'e/Jouga on the moon as an immortal toad but almost nobody knows this, their rabbits are stated to be pounding out medicine for the elixir of immortality but it's actually for Jouga, the rabbits have a psychic network full of rumor and half-truth, Sagume's entire plan was deception and she even created a deception-manifesting artifact in order to make her lies "real", Eirin deceived the Lunarian captors trying to get Kaguya and murdered them all, the Watatsuki's are in-name defenders of the moon but by status and word of mouth they are considered traitors (and furthermore they act secretly when they receive correspondence from Eirin), Toyohime spread the rumor that the dragon palace exists on the moon (it did not), and of course all Lunarians subscribe to the lie that they are separate from mortality and are completely pure: in actuality they're all mortal, the moon is slightly impure, and they will all eventually die (though into the absurdly distant future)

Point is, they called the second Lunar "conflict" a war, but we have no solid evidence that a war took place. What we do know, for certain, is that the first Lunar war between gensokyo and the lunar capital did happen, and had massive repercussions. Meanwhile canonically fantasy is still considered fantasy in the outside world, indicating that even if the american astronauts did encounter the moon rabbits/lunarians, nobody believed them. That said nothing concretely indicates that they encountered or did anything to the rabbits

Anonymous Sun May 2 14:02:13 2021 No.34551991

>>34544515
it's not really possible in any kind of ordinary circumstance for outsiders to "visit" Gensokyo. You can be spirited away, and may be able to escape, but this is never by your will. Sumireko entered using extremely rare artifacts which basically tore a hole in the barrier, and after this she is only able to visit Gensokyo as a dream version. Merry is also basically a youkai and can enter due to that nonsense.

Crossing the barrier is extremely difficult, and essentially not an option for the average person. In the first place the reason it's built on common sense is to basically force it into non-existence in the minds of regular humanity. There's no way Gensokyo could exist, and there's no genuinely believing that it does, so nobody under ordinary circumstances can cross the barrier.

>>34547859
Serious answer: the reason would be that ZUN initially completely and flatly denied PC-98 canon as something else, and said windows was a new blank slate. He only "changed his mind" after literal years of being hounded about it and the result of his saying "if it doesn't contradict, it's canon" has been... nothing. Even if you really want the PC-98 canon to be real, no windows canon other than a cover of Akyuu's Untouched Score and a handful of changed returning characters indicate that those events happened. No profiles, no manga on the subject, there is literally nothing "official", just like an answered question throwing a bone to people who kept asking about it, and like a single comment about Genji.
If it was something to sincerely consider, then the creator would treat it as something important and not pretend it doesn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 14:46:04 2021 No.34552594 >>34551552 Define "work". If even somebody like you was able to grasp (and analyze) it, it has worked. By the way, you grossly overestimate the linguistic prowess of native english speakers.

Anonymous Sun May 2 21:35:01 2021 No.34557727

>>34059328
>Do any of the printworks go into her background at all? At some point on /jp/ I saw anons talking about her father, when/where was he ever mentioned in-canon?
Those anons probably assumed Youki is her father. In actuality Youki is her ???. He's a family member who is of old age (for a half-phantom; they live much longer than humans, but are not immortal). Nothing has ever really explained Youki's deal, just that he's family and older than her.

Also she's a half-phantom, not a half-ghost. The distinction isn't even difficult once you know what they are in Touhou. A ghost is mostly what you'd expect: a departed soul, though in Touhou most of them are physically indistinguishable from living people, and all of them have warm bodies.
Phantoms are sometimes departed souls, but most of them are something like nature or "emotion" spirits. They are thoughtless entities that exist all throughout Gensokyo and mindlessly wander toward things similar to them (gloomy phantoms go to gloomy places, happy phantoms to happy ones, and so on). Youmu is half THAT, which seems to explain why she's kind of a dumby. Last point: phantoms are frigid cold. Youmu's body is thus colder than average, while her phantom half is warmer than average (because she's half human).
Phantoms are pretty interesting. Read: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Phantom

Anonymous Sun May 2 21:48:20 2021 No.34557871

>>34059328
>>34122432
>>Why is she a halfghost?
>Genetics. It's just her family/clan's trait.
about this, while it's true we technically don't know how they intermingled with phantoms. Like, we don't know if they fucked phantoms or became connected with phantoms. I genuinely feel like the first Konpaku were half phantoms through ritual or something, because actual phantoms... I don't see how they could really reproduce. They're shapeshifters but they're also "dead"

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 21:52:02 2021 No.34557929 >>34522546 >Which 'hu can I realistically bone? Kogasa. She's weak and likes to hang out in lonely places....

Anonymous Sun May 2 21:59:21 2021 No.34557995

>>34247413
>>34249703
>>Who are Marisa's parents?
>Normal people
They're actually kind of high status. The Kirisame and Hieda are close and the Hieda are basically Gensokyo's only human nobility. I've always assumed they're a kind of respected house.

Also just to be clear Mima is not her mom

Anonymous Sun May 2 22:04:12 2021 No.34558050

>>33936931
>why does mima hate the hakurei shrine, how did she become a vengeful spirit
Vengeful spirits are created when a youkai (usually a kasha, such as Rin) steals your corpse before you can cross the Sanzu. So, that's how.

You can assume she hates the Hakurei Shrine, or the Hakurei in general, because they're a family of highly proficient youkai exterminators.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 22:09:55 2021 No.34558128 Powerlevel of Kanako without the shimenawa.

Anonymous Sun May 2 22:10:21 2021 No.34558135

>>34007454
>>34142868
>>34148449
1) It's not possible for Hitler because Hitler was definitely real, and his existence isn't up for speculation or debate. He is history, not legend
2) It's "possible" for a *version* of Hitler to manifest due to the urban legend incident, which was never resolved. Sagume has permanently changed the setting a little. This is indeed like Persona
3) Urban legends are not "real", they're basically temporary manifestations of rumors, though Sagume is able to make certain rumors permanent under certain conditions (this was why she started the rumor that there was a lunar base on the moon or something like that)

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 22:26:02 2021 No.34558277 Does Bigfoot live in Gensoukyou?

Anonymous Sun May 2 22:26:11 2021 No.34558278

>>34135611
>>34109392
>>34129254
Her profile for PCB says that she killed herself because she became depressed over her power.
She did not create the seal or have anything to do with it. Someone else (Yukari?) sealed the tree with her body.

Yuyuko has forgotten who she was before death. The only reason she attempted to revive the tree was that she read "someone" was buried under it.

I believe the Yama put her in charge because of her control over death and spirits. She's innately good at it, and given Hakugyokurou was always in the Netherworld and she was always its princess, I believe dead or alive this was always going to be her job. Furthermore the Konpaku have always served the Saigyouji, so that seems to hint at it more. The Saigyouji line ended with Yuyuko, however, because she could not handle the stigma and responsibility of her natural abilities and killed herself.
Relevant text:
======
One day, while browsing through the library as usual, Yuyuko found an old record. It looked so old that it was practically ageless; within it, the following was written...

"The girl who bears witness to death, at the time of the Saigyou Ayakashi's full bloom, shall be bound by mortality. So that her soul may rest in peace within Hakugyokurou, I will seal the cherry blossoms, and make it the barrier. My wish... is that she will never again reincarnate, and never again suffer pain..."

Yuyuko had read that breaking the seal on the Saigyou Ayakashi, making it bloom fully, would cause a certain someone to be resurrected; she started gathering spring's essence out of curiosity.

...

Perhaps it was because of her carefree afterlife, or maybe the record had aged beyond recognition, but Yuyuko ultimately failed to realize that the girl who was written about in the record... was herself.

In the beginning, Yuyuko only possessed the ability to manipulate departed souls. Unconsciously, that power grew stronger, that eventually she possessed the ability to invite others to death. Terrified by her own ability, she committed suicide.

After becoming a ghost, she thoroughly forgot everything about the time she was alive, and started to enjoy being able to invoke death.
=======

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 22:28:46 2021 No.34558319 >>34558278 I could have sworn it was confirmed as Yukari, was it not? I remember reading somewhere that they were friends before Yuyu killed herself.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 22:31:39 2021 No.34558355 >>34558277 Yeah but he's called Yuyuko.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 22:34:34 2021 No.34558389 Does batman live in Gensoukyou?

Anonymous Sun May 2 22:34:48 2021 No.34558391

>>34558319
They were friends and Yukari knows about the seal.

However, it is not confirmed that Yukari created the seal. It certainly seems like something she would do, and seems like something she could do, but nothing has confirmed that she is the author of that record, or the creator of the seal.

>>34129254
>>34135611
Oh yeah about this

The touhouwiki is actually pretty good, and mercifully sources pretty much everything on it, but it's not always correct. Translations can be incorrect (for many years, the ability to become immortal as a magician was tl'd as "abandon temper" for some reason, when it can LITERALLY only mean "abandon insects/worms/bugs" (look up "three worms")) or there will be speculation taken as fact here or there (there was a guy who INSISTED that the dragon god wasn't one being but was instead actually multiple gods, I had to do a whole research dive to prove that the dragon god is one entity and clean up his mess, even though you literally only need to look at the statue in the village to know that it's one entity). The best thing to always do is read/play the source material yourself.

Anonymous Sun May 2 22:43:14 2021 No.34558476

>>34316283
1) Read this: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Outsider
2) The secret human organization isn't "secret" and knows no hidden truths. Because of Akyuu's chronicle everyone knows exactly how Gensokyo works, down to the village being a faith and fear farm that should not be expanded, lest fantasy collapse. It's a cultural difference. A lot of people think that the humans would definitely all rebel, but as Keine (a born human herself) indicates, most find the idea of rebellion stupid and embarrassing. For better or worse, humanity is cool with Gensokyo as it is.
You'll also note "outsiders" such as Miko recognize this and call it out, while natives like Marisa rebuff Miko's ideas of giving humans a leader and shaking of the yoke of youkai.

Anonymous Sun May 2 22:50:21 2021 No.34558528

>>34356356
Gensokyo is the home of the forgotten. I wouldn't say you're forced there, but you will enter it naturally if you are considered "fantasy".

Youkai seem to be able to enter it with some ease (willingly, I mean). Mamizou entered it easily, and it's implied that Kasen spent some time in the outside world before returning to Gensokyo. And of course there's the Moriya Temple which was not forgotten, but instead its gods decided to move

Anonymous Sun May 2 22:58:06 2021 No.34558608

I know this is a stupid newfag question but why are all the youkai in Gensokyo cute girls? I've read the manga and played the games and I haven't seen a single male youkai. All the fictional fantasy creatures that exist in Japanese folklore and mythology like the tengu, oni and kappa are portrayed as cute girls. The shinigami is a cute girl, the yamabiko is a cute girl, the reincarnation of a Japanese prince is a cute girl and so on and so forth. Did all these mythological creatures get spirited away into Gensokyo in cute anike girl form or something? Are the male youkai conveniently omitted from the games and manga to make them more appealing to the audience or do they just not exist?

Anonymous Sun May 2 23:20:30 2021 No.34558912
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>>34558608
Here you go.

Simply put the implication is that over time youkai have adopted more agreeable forms, but they used to be horrific. This said there are more classic youkai alluded to through PMiSS--for example, giant tengu and long-nosed tengu.

Not all youkai are girls. In Symposium of Post Mysticism there's at least one peace of art with a few male youkai, Unzan is male, and Rinnosuke (half youkai) is male. Males are around, ZUN just doesn't use them because they don't really fit anywhere. He's considered using males more prominently, though. Actually he seems to come and go on the idea, like Okina was going to be an old man, but he reneges every time arbitrarily. In canon, the reason that girls are the ones fighting with danmaku is that danmaku play is graceful and pretty. This is stated in Reimu's PMiSS profile.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 2 23:25:32 2021 No.34558986 File: 378 KB, 1231x1760, x12.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>34558912

>>	Anonymous Mon May 3 01:39:45 2021 No.34560514 >>34558608 ZUN just wanted them to be cute girls because he liked it.

>>	Sage goes in all fields Mon May 3 01:44:22 2021 No.34560562 >>33867555 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Mon May 3 01:57:51 2021 No.34560724 >>34560562 anon...

>>	Anonymous Mon May 3 12:04:30 2021 No.34570621 >>34560562 Hey buddy i think you got the wrong door

>>	Anonymous Mon May 3 12:23:31 2021 No.34570961 >>34560562 >>34570621 /vt/ is nineteen boards to the right

>>	Anonymous Mon May 3 22:23:18 2021 No.34578889 >>34557929 >Kogasa. She's weak and likes to hang out in lonely places.... horrible setup

Anonymous Tue May 4 00:59:08 2021 No.34580444

>>34558608
There are male youkai, we just dont see them cause a lot of people like touhou to just feature cute girls.

Unzan and Rinnosuke are exceptions, although one comes packaged with a cute girl and the latter is just half youkai pretty bishie boy who only shows up in spinoff material.

I like to imagine the males have monstrous forms like Unzan instead of looking like cosplayers like the girls do, but that’s just an interpretation I like rather than anything solidly canon.

Anonymous Tue May 4 01:01:45 2021 No.34580466

So I haven’t cleared LoLK cause I’m going through the games at my own pace and I suck and am beating them slowly.

Did the urban legend incident really get explained away as being part of the plan against the Lunar Capital? Is the urban legend incident over?

That’s kind of lame if so, I dug that idea as just a principal part of how the touhou world works. Tied in real well with how faith and fear are enough to perpetuate the existence of someone.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 4 08:33:22 2021 No.34585435 >>34580466 It's actually because of the way Gensokyo works that it was never truly resolved. It simply faded into the background and became just an accepted thing that happens.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 4 10:45:50 2021 No.34587907 File: 237 KB, 850x1190, __alice_margatroid_and_jacket_girl_touhou_drawn_by_ruu_tksymkw__sample-70980f4369202e2e0a04fed05cec199b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These 2 are the same person

Anonymous Tue May 4 10:55:49 2021 No.34588085

>>34580466
This >>34585435 To clarify the incident was never resolved and urban legends are just a thing now.

I wouldn't say it's because of how Gensokyo works. Sagume created something that they couldn't actually get rid of, so they all gave up basically

>>	Anonymous Tue May 4 12:18:17 2021 No.34589686 File: 862 B, 192x128, detectivesatori.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Detective Satori really grew on me so I made a thing. >What types of shenanigans will she discover with her strange magnifying glass this week!? >Tune in next time, on...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 4 13:02:28 2021 No.34590417 >>34589686 Very cute Wud fug

>>	Anonymous Tue May 4 13:51:10 2021 No.34591209 >>34589686 Cute dots.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 4 14:32:09 2021 No.34591767 >>34587907 In new canon, yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 4 23:00:19 2021 No.34598530 >>34589686 Nice.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 5 03:52:06 2021 No.34601227 >>34489735 But Remilia was spamming body slams to the moonwhore

Anonymous Wed May 5 04:02:03 2021 No.34601326

So the most recent CoLA chapter which ties in to TH18 confirms that Reimu was born into the job of being Hakurei shrine maiden. If it is hereditary, how come we've never seen her mother or father?
And following that, the stage 4 boss Misumaru claims Reimu is the successor of the Yin Yang Orb she created. Does this means she knows the Hakurei miko that comes before Reimu?

Anonymous Wed May 5 04:06:02 2021 No.34601361

>>33882533
While it may be the obvious one, this is still my best answer. Love a lot of the others listed in this thread, but this is still the one that hooks me the most for a multitude of reasons. I know ZUN likes to keep things open-ended, but I really hope we do get a resolution or at least something more concrete one day.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 5 04:06:56 2021 No.34601372 What does the new games add to the overall lore?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 5 04:08:04 2021 No.34601380 >>34601326 >Does this means she knows the Hakurei miko that comes before Reimu? Could be, yeah

>>	Anonymous Wed May 5 11:08:40 2021 No.34607460 good thread

>>	Anonymous Wed May 5 16:11:21 2021 No.34611215 >>34607460 I concur

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