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[Anonymous No.]

Well, I finally did it, beat the damn game on normal. I never thought an H-Game would be so difficult to play.

It was absolutely unfair how over powered the Xavier fight was, I need to get Fuuka and 2 Monks in the back healing and converting action to Rance and Kenshin using strong attack. It took 3 tries but I did it at last. Feels good man.

Only finished the true route, Now what's the next route I should try? ( Besides kill the monkey route)

If anything

ITT: Rance general thread.

[Anonymous No.]

lol normal mode.

[Anonymous No.]

True route 5 stars

[Anonymous No.]

Level 99 Kentarou can make 20% of Xavier's health disappear in a single hit

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375659
My personal route order would be (in terms of difficulty and events):
Yamamoto
Ran
Kenshin

All of them at 1-Star at least.
Then, with 15 points from the routes and the bonus points you have gathered, you can start a serious point-whoring run.

[Anonymous No.]

I am looking to go Kenshin's route, but shit looks really tough.

Going to grow a pair and try it on 1 star difficulty, since I don't really have any points to spend.

>>3375723
Really? I never really use kentarou because he seemed really weak to me. How did you get him to 99?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375723
If you visit all the possible Dungeons (outside of Orochi's and that 7777 HP faggot), and Do Kentarou's 'adventures', that's more than enough to easily win, since Even lv 99 Kentarou can die in 3 hits by Xavier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375748
Remember that Gigai fella?
If you send Demon Kentarou, they fight to a draw and he earns levels.
Keep doing that till he reaches lv.99.
Kentarou has great potential as a unit, but requires too much work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375748
When homo-apostle Gigae challenges you to a duel you can send Kentarou after he becomes a demon. He gains 2 levels without vaporizing from his flames

[Anonymous No.]

FFFFFFF why isn't there any Ranmaru H-scenes, she was the only girl I was ever interested in and I invested every spare action fan I could use to talk to her.

And she marries Katsuie!!! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375774
Rance does not mess with Katsuie's woman, lest he be cursed.
With loli love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375748
Ran route is the shortest one, do that instead... well... I haven't played the Isoroku route yet but compared to Kenshin and True History, Ran is FAST

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375774
OH GOD FFFFFUUUUUU

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375792
Isorokou route is not big nor full of events, but certain events require you to wait some turns after triggering them (unlike Ran's which happen right away).
Kenshin is the route where you have a lot to do on many different ways.

[Anonymous No.]

True History was a kind of Kou route without H-scenes with Rance

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375838
Well of course, Kou is the true heroine of the game.
And a far better character than Kenshin, Ran or Yamamoto.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375838
More like 'Rance fucks those girls without their events intervening on his story' route.

[Anonymous No.]

Kou is retarded, she's a forced moe blob that I could certainly do without.

I do want Nobunaga to be a playable character though, shit would be so cash, alas that is not possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375855
Kou is one of the least retarded female character in the game.
Kenshin is fucking retarded, Ran is fucking retarded, Kou goes into lots of shits but she actually manages to overcome them in a decisive manner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375855
No, Komatsu would be forced moe blob, The moment I realized I have captured her as prisoner, I released her.

[Anonymous No.]

So I heard this game has a trap, confirm or deny?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375880
Not really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375880
Futa, not trap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375890
downloading at the speed of light!

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, how the fuck you even beat Bokkyu, When he transforms he wipes all my characters in one move, rance is left with less than half his life and kenshin too.

I cant even hardly put a dent on him. What the fuck! If he's that hard, how fucking impossible is Xavier?

[Anonymous No.]

NO OMACHI H SCENE.

YOU ARE NOW RAGING. MANUALLY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375948
Don't worry, Alicesoft will make Hscenes with her in a later game. They always do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376006
Yeah, I guess Rance will have to go back to JAPAN for Sill, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376006
But according to the Ranceverse she can't exist outside of JAPAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>3375945
>If he's that hard
He isn't. You should try preparing next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376038
see >>3376025

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376050
Yeah yeah, I'm slow. By the way I wonder if Apostle Shinobu is alive or not. She just disappeared after that explosion and we haven't even seen her true form yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376065
All the apostles are dead, according to the character chart posted by BB.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376082
But was that chart official or not? If it is, then it's representing the absolute truth or what Rance thinks their status is at the moment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376065
I think I remember Xavier saying something about her being dead

>>3375945
well it helps to do all the dungeons you can before the temple event for the lvl ups and to have strong commanders like kenshin and the reinforcements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376094
That was the official true history chart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376094
>>3376117

You now realize that Ran is confirmed dead ;_;

Also, THAT FUCKING MONKEY

[Anonymous No.]

I'm thinking of doing a point-run. What's the best route/difficulty to rack up tons of them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376168
I think it was 2-Star Ran route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376156
Along with that Mouri girl and Fuuka (or whatever that Miko is called). That damn monkey is still running around alive somewhere, I hope he doesn't stir up more trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376156
>Ran is confirmed dead
And that's not a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Apostles without demon master lose their power. Monkey is pretty much not a problem now. Unless he find another sealed demon.

[Anonymous No.]

the xavier fight with lvl99 kentarou is a piece of cake

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376204
Was that monkey an Apostle too?

[Anonymous No.]

Delicious Ranceverse thread, with link to chart. Ran is confirmed dead, canon-wise.
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/3355888

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3375948

Use your imagination.

Works wonders, I tell ya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376223

Well duh ... Ran always die except on her route and naturally in a "kill the monkey" play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376218
Yeah. Xavier made it into one, just like he was going to do with Rance. Pretty much anyone can become apostle. It's nothing really special though. Doesn't suddenly make you ultra-powerful or unstoppable, just augments the abilities you already have

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376234
Actually the Demon Shares his power, so regardless of abilities, you can be augmented (either major mojo or minimal).
However, since the Demon does share his power, he won't give too much to apostles, nor have too many of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376240
The Apostles can be really useful, but Xavier's apostles were humans before or some kind of beasts? That true form thing confused me a bit but I'm sure they can live as long as the demon does if they don't get killed

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376267
Any race or mortal being can become a demon/apostle, their initial nature is not always confirmed properly.

[Nanaya !yrBrqfF1Ew No.]

>>3376204
It doesn't matter if the monkey has power.

The monkey, the harmless weak normal monkey, was the one who helped Xavier to begin with. that smart evil -1 action nut throwing bastard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376273
It also did enough damage to kill your characters after they were struck with his -48%hp spell two times

[Anonymous No.]

Yay Rance thread.

I'm trying to attain 100% completion, and a I have a few question.
First... the two dudes I'm missing. Where the F are they.
Second... how do I get the "Houjou conquered (Souun)" and "Killed subordinate Ieyasu" events?
Third... I'm doing a monkey kill and I'm not getting the option to kidnap Kurohime. They just steal one chick every turn. What's the catch?

Exceedingly useful tip for those also attempting this: I was the guy who attempted to capture Honda Masanobu (little raccoon dog from Tenshi, he's on the list) like forty times. I confirmed that he's got special rules (Gekko's Assassination+ doesn't work on him meaning he's considered an "important character"), and I'm pretty sure he can't be captured from Tenshi. I captured him in just two tries after he was rehired by another faction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376307
Maybe if you use Sounn against Houjou in the last fight some Event will happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376336
Wait... you can get Souun before Houjou is conquered?
I have never recruited him but I read you need to set up Ran's route and break the 5th gourd before rescuing Souun (that would force you into Ran's route), and that would require conquering Houjou to make the dungeon available, wouldn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376366
No, Sounn simply disappears after (or before?) you capture Ran, it has nothing to do with conquering all of Houjou, I'm sure of it, some other family member becomes the ruler after it

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376374
Why do I keep calling Souun Sounn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376378
He's got a weird name, that's why.
>>3376374
I know he leaves without you needing to conquer Houjou, but I think the Oil Dungeon doesn't open up until you've used Ran in an event that only appears after Houjou has been fully conquered. So you wouldn't know where to go to save his sorry behind.
At least that's what I'm getting from this walkthrough, it may be erroneous...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376401
How about a house bonus? You get Ran from the very beginning, perhaps you would be able to recruit Soun fast.

[Anonymous No.]

It might be the event before Sounn disappears, but you've captured Ran, then you conquer Hojo and end up killing or severely injuring him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376401
Oh yeah, the current leader tells her what happened with him.
Then the my other idea is you have to conquer Houjou while Souun is still the leader. I've managed to do it on the Kenshin route, though it didn't turn out to be a happy end for them...

[Anonymous No.]

you can conquer the Houjo house with Ran gone and Soun still there. The only way I know how to do that is to keep doing the Rances place event until the scene with the captured tenshi chick shows up. After that Soun will never go to the Oil dungeon, and you will kill him when you conquer houjo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376307
>Campaign of Bunroku
>Russo-Japanese War

What are these?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376429
I think it's from the Free for All

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376421
>>3376428
I did that one too, the one with the sword fight between Souun and Rance (interestingly Souun isn't quite as good as Rance but he appears to possess lvl1 Sword skills, which is very impressive for a caster). I also did the one where Ran is still with them (it's actually hard NOT to capture her). I'm running out of options here! But thanks for the suggestiongs, I'll mess around with it a few more times to see if I get something else.
>>3376429
Those are optional events in the Free-For-All mode. You get attacked by waves of enemies (7 or 8 waves per event) all in a row. I managed to do both in my first Free-For-All game so the events must not be that difficult... although, I was using Shimazu at the time and they're very powerful. I wouldn't want to try with, say, Akashi or the Hannies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376452
I Ran D'ohoho out of ideas

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376484
Nyohoho.
>>3376307
No other info about any of these? Particularly the two semi-uniques, I've never seen them before and I've seen most commanders quite often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376506
You are missing most of the raccoons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376506
If you mean Yamaguchi Tamon, and Inoue Shigeyoshi, a quick search on Alicesoft Wiki shows that they are archers affiliated with "Yamamoto 56". How you would get them I don't know, since I haven't gotten around to Isoroku's route yet.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3376546
Unrelated to route.
You just need to talk to Isoroku 3 times while on Normal affection.
Do not use items to get her at lv7 Affection and enter Trust/

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376546
She simply gives both them to you as at a certain point, part of the route. I got them on True History

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376546
Those two archers should join automatically if you have space if I remember correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

Awesome, I didn't know that about Isoroku. I guess that settles it for those two semi-uniques, thanks guys.
I still don't know why I'm not getting the option to kidnap Kurohime. I think I'll just start over and do a Ran route instead of a Monkey Kill, and do all the racoon dogs and Shimazu brothers at the same time. It'll just have to bring Daidouji Komatsu to a high Affection level before recruiting Ran (else I wouldn't be able to get her up to Love) and it should be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376625
You'll need quite a few items to get Komatsu up to par fast enough.
Also, to get the Kurohime option, you need to see Rance complaining about it at the start of a turn(if you have high-priority events, it will be bypassed).
Also, try to attack/conquer some of Shimazu's areas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376625
Maybe you need to have one of Shimazu's original territories next to you, or need to advance on a bit further

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376639
>>3376645
I did conquer one Shimazu territory, though I didn't conquer it between the moment my first girl got stolen and the beginning of the next turn, I took it before that. Maybe that's why.
On the plus side I found out that the girl they steal is random from the moment they tell you she's been stolen, not from the moment they tell you "Someone is meeting Shimazu's men". So you can just reload and end turn again until they steal a lame generic commander. My first time they took Natori, that wasn't fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376665
She is also one of the few that does not get to love, IIRC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376669
They can still steal her if you got the character clear. Uruza was not amused

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376665
I feel your pain man, she's one of the best units ingame. From what I could tell, they only got commanders that were at normal or hate, for me at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376691
That's correct, they can't steal a commander who's at Trust or Love.
At least, in this version of the game. In an earlier version they could steal anyone with less than Love, and that's a whole lot of potential commanders. Glad I didn't play back then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376696
What would happen if you were a true man and raised all of them to Trust before fighting the Shimazu? Total cockblock?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376691
>one of the best units ingame.
Omachi would like a word with you.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3376839
Omachi is in OMACHI Tier, and THEN you have Top Tier that Natori is part of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376821
That's actually a very good question... I have no idea. Possibly, yes! That would be fun.
>>3376839
Usually I equip the Popularity Staff on Omachi until I gain access to the youkai lands, then I upgrade to Rance's Love. Totally overpowered.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm probably the only one, but Kojika was my best unit in the game. Her magic attack that hits all enemies absolutely destroys Demon Army and guaranteed every battle with her in it was my win. Plus she was practically immune to enemy magic. I'd play through again if I could just start the game with her instead of doing all the bullshit events to get her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376867
Soun is even better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376867
She does start with insanely high stats and pretty nice moves. Luckily as you gain more points you can get a lot of items (including four Books2) and then whenever you finish a dungeon you get yet another Book2 to use, so you can make pretty much any character awesome if you really wanted to.
One of these days I'm going to make a 9/9/9/9 Gracia just for the heck of it. It actually wouldn't be that hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376878
If TakaJun can do it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376888
Yeeeah, I think he hacked it though. He even edited the name from Choushin to "Shit".
Still that would be hilarious too.

[Anonymous No.]

Rance? Not so good. Come back when you translate a game without leaving out the game mechanics. Amateurs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376896
>translate a game without leaving out the game mechanics

Please explain.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3376905

Maybe he's running some other language than Japanese or English, mysteriously leaving all the numbers as letters from O to X.

[Anonymous No.]

umad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376878
While this gives the units good stats, the really great ones have unique abilities, good base stats and are also good at dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376961
True, but that guy I responded to was talking about Kojika. She doesn't have any unique abilities and it'd take a while to make her a decent dungeon character (she's very low-level). Unless you're looking for those very very special characters that are good everywhere (like Kenshin, Omachi and Uruza, for example), there's a lot of seemingly horrible characters that can be made very strong in army battles.
There's not that many characters who are weak but have unique abilities. Kazemaru's the only one I remember off the top of my head, but the kid can become pretty dangerous pretty quickly.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3376985
Kazemaru is one of the exceptions since he has the Hibachi Beef-Up.
Also, it doesn't have to be unique abilities, just a nice set of them at the first moment.
Kikkawa kikku and Gekkou for example, with Assassinate 2 and Assassinate+ respectively, and very good base stats and dungeon levels.
You can make most Ninjas almost as good, but they will always do better or be easier to use.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>3376985

Child soldiers. They tend to grow up to be monsters.

[Anonymous No.]

I love using Leila against big enemies. Her Royal charge is so damn strong.

I'm actually in doubt if I should give the +2 atk Bear Item to Maria or Leila ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376894
He didn't hack it. Clear Ashikaga Choushin's events and he's automatically renamed to Ashikaga Shit. It is quite hilarious indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3376952
what

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3377010
Leila works better at moderate troop count.
One of the best items to give her is the Emperor Ring.
+1 to her great stats and +1 move for her to use the Royal Guard attack 3 times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377010
I'd say Leila as you arguably get more use out of it that way. Maria's a bit slow and would be lucky to get about 2 turns per fight. Leila on the other hand gets about 3-4 per.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377013
Oh wow.
He actually played that much with that few units? Good stuff.
Yes, I noticed he had the Brute Photo equipped. It's obviously not as awesome as Rance's Love, but then again very few items are. I usually use mine on Omachi (or Daidouji if I don't have Omachi).

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377010
I'd put it on Leila. Royal Guard Charge isn't infallible, while Maria's once-every-few-turns shot is a guaranteed hit.

[None !NACK.rrrr. No.]

>>3377024
Wow, even before reading this I gave her that ring inmediatly.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3377030
The main selling point of Royal Guard is DOUBLE the damage if you have less troups, which unless you are on 5-star with a ridiculous overall troup count, is unlikely with a 2000+ unit to happen often.
And after the 2000 Landmark, the stats (damage per troop) actually get lower.
From offensive units, only Maria and Musketeers should really use this, otherwise a footsoldier with All-Guard makes an great tank.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377024
>Leila works better at moderate troop count.
Yeah, I when I got her I beefed her up to 1000 units immediately, and it helped alot that I had the discount ticket form Mouri and that her units are very cheap to buy in general.

>One of the best items to give her is the Emperor Ring.
Wow....I never realised....BUT I already gave that ring to Kenshin ;_;

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3377067
Kenshin is another good unit for that, since she has great stats and only 3 moves.
Another good option is Yamagat(from the Takeda Army) since he has Furunkazan(all the buffs at start-up) AND 8 in all stats.
Shimazu Yoshihisa(counterattack 2 and 7-8 at stats), Strong warrior units or maybe even one of the 3 good Musketeer units are viable options.
At Kenshin's route, where there are 3 Emperor items, you can do some great shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377054
Hmm. I never thought of it that way.
I very rarely hire troops (I buy some for Rance and Footmen, plus some for Battle Permit units, and that's pretty much it), so Leila, which I usually get a fair deal into the game since she's the third reinforcement at best, always has less than the double the enemy troops.
Maria's not bad, she's pretty good. She's got the firepower of a musket unit, a hell of a lot more range, and multiple actions. Her drawback is that she's ridiculously slow, and you rarely get to use all 3 of her actions. I think the Ring would be a waste on her because of this.
I guess it's true that different people play very differently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377082
So stats CAN go higher than 9 during battle?
I never dared raise his stats specifically because I figured with his buffs he'd have 9 everywhere anyway. I don't even know how much the buffs add, but it seems to be quite significant.
I should have tested this a long time ago, actually. It wouldn't be hard either, I'd just have to dismiss a bunch of troops so he wouldn't one-shot them, then fight Ogres from Ran's route repeatedly to make sure I know what damage he does, then use an Attack2 book on him or something and see if it increases...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377054
>And after the 2000 Landmark, the stats (damage per troop) actually get lower.
Actually, it first happens after 500.
My only problem with Royal Guard Charge is, it looses attack power really fast if she gets hit. Rather annoying.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3377114
Buffs add percentage on whatever stats you have.
And to understand how ridiculous the stats+buffs are, 50 Yamagat troops attacked 1000 Rance troops (attack 9, Defense 9) and SURVIVED.
>>3377115
She has a great defense modifier (same as footsoldier), so if her defense is 8-0, she will lsoe VERY few units. And she is quite fast. And IIRC, it happens first at 1000, but perhaps I do not remember well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377091
>Her drawback is that she's ridiculously slow
I'm trying to experiment with smaller teams right now. Since smaller teams get their turns faster overall.

Dousan, as the centerpiece, converting points to Maria.
Maria as the damage dealer.
Some assassin
Some guard in front.
Some other front row attacker (since having ony Maria might not be enough)
So basically they're 4 characters doing their turns after the assassin does his stuff.

Though, I'm not so sure if Maria is as good for this Dousan tactic as Uruza/Natori is...(I gave her the human/dog head, so I can use her in a double set like this every turn) Maybe I should use Dousan for Maria and Natori instead...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377114
Buffs add +1. So theoretically someone with 9 9 9 9 may end up with 10 10 10 10, if the game allows it.

And don't forget, every +1 to a stat improves your unit exponentially.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377133
Unless you plan on using Maria's Double Tulip Attack, no point.
Just put Maria in teh same Team as Natori and have her finish off units.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377129
>she will lsoe VERY few units
Considering that her numbers are usually rather small and that she loses twice the attack power for every unit, every hit is very painful.
Wiki confirms it to be 500-1999 and 2000-*. Wiki is *mostly* reliable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377133
>Maybe I should use Dousan for Uruza and Natori instead...
fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377139
>Unless you plan on using Maria's Double Tulip Attack
Yeah, that's the reason I wanted to use her with Dousan.

Though, Uruza and Natori are probably better for that in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377156
Uruza, not so much.
If you deploy her and kenshin, most armies are done in one turn.
There are VERY few cases where you will really need more action wasting.
Natori is a safe bet for continuous decimation with Dousan, while Kenshin and Uruza is another great combo.
You suddenly have 2 teams that will almost always win.
Built one around Maria and other heavy hitters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377129
>>3377143
Hmmm, but I usually have some beefed up guard unit to protect my frontline attackers, so it's not so bad.
(Protecting my attackers so I don't have to use 4 gold to heal them after battle is one of the reasons I was able to save up 50000 gold by turn 20-30-ish)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377172
Hmmm, That makes sense I guess.

Damn, there's a lot of potential in these optimisations. It's like you become like Takeda and blitz the hell out of the enemies with these small teams.
And even after that, you can afford solid defences as well.

[Anonymous No.]

I forget, can Ootomo Sourin be captured?
In Monk Kill games, using him along with a Monk with Convert Action would just be stupidly good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377207
Monkey Kill. Not Monk Kill. Brain was thinking about Monks already. That bastard's always outthinking me.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey wait a minute...
Dousan / Kenshin commander charge....???
Awesome or just mediocre?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377233
Commander Charge isn't that great. It adds some base damage based on the commander's personal power (Kenshin kills a bit over 200 enemies) and prevents counterattack damage, which is good but not great.
Another, more situational use is that the charge destroys Shikigami barriers, so when the troops attack they deal damage to the target.
I think it's better used with more devastating attacks, like Uruza's.
Or Ootomo Sourin, since he's got the one single most devastating attack in the entire game, but like I said I'm far from certain he can be captured.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377233
Nah, Any commander Charge Captain would be the same, and you just hit a single unit, while risking being hit and lowering troop count till you restore action point.
Mediocre combo.
Re-using Natori or even Magic's White Destruction, Rizna's All-Cutter etc are more worth it.
Or Uruza in very, very difficult situations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377252
The only Sourin I know of is a Musketeer, and I do not think he can be recruited.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377259
>Rizna's All-Cutter
Oh! That's a great idea.

Actually, isn't Rizna with A Cutter better than Magic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377267
Dang. He's the only unit in the game with Special Cannon.
It's basically a musket attack, except it instantly hits all 6 enemy units for full damage, no preparation required. And it can be used from the back row.
To be honest, using that along with Convert Action would probably be overkill anyway...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377276
It depends. A-Cutter does HALF normal damage to everyone , but double the damage on monsters, but is affected by Guard.
While White Destruction does boosted damage on a row and bypasses Guard.
Both can be useful, depending on the battle.
My little cheat combo to save resources was Demon Kentarou in the front row against an enemy with no or pathetic ranged attackers(usually monsters), and Rizna hitting her A-cutter, plus maybe a Ninja for some extra battle Rating(Leavs Battlefield contrsuction and a couple shurikens+assassinate).
>>3377283
It would be an insta-win battle no matter the enemy, really (unless you go Demon King route)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377276
Less damage, more targets. It's situational. I prefer to use White destruction, because that way I can concentrate fire on the stronger enemies and kill two of the enemy units pretty damn quick. Magic, Shizuka and Tanegashima are beautiful together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377283
It deals even more damage then Omachi. It's probably only matched by Suzaku Ran so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377311
It's just that you get Rizna so much faster than Magic. So her army grows bigger too. Their troops are both expensive to recruit ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377343
They both give you +10 Sat, and Magic also gives you Rance's love.
They really are nice units to add, even just for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377343
Considering that Uruza is №1 priority to recruit, you can grab Magic pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377351
>Magic also gives you Rance's love.
Hey I know that Item....It's supposed to be really good.

Now I regret making Magic my last reinforcement ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377351
Rance's Love is possibly the strongest item, it's so irritating that you get it either too early (can't powerup characters without access to their home territories) or too late (3rd+ reinforcements with all events completed).
I guess they did that on purpose, else it would be way too great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377376
>or too late (3rd+ reinforcements with all events completed).
It's only useful in the lategame, because stats eat way too much national power.

[Anonymous No.]

GODDAMN....Then Zeth is so much better than Leasaz?

>A Cutter + white destruction beam + Accurate shot + Rance's Love item
vs
>Royal Charge + Tulip cannon

I regret getting the 3 Leasaz characters first now ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377391
Second game Leazas nets you another White destruction and even earlier. Maria and Shizuka have amazing firepower together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377397
And A Cutter is rather weak until the late game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377391
Kanami does have the benefit of having a large troop count when you get her, thus easy to get her to 1000.
Possibly the best one to give the Ninja permit at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377390
Well you can use the powerup on troops too, and that's relatively cheap where NP is concerned.
I have to wait until I have access to youkai lands before unequipping the Popularity Staff and equipping Rance's Love on Omachi but I'd totally equip it right away if I didn't need access, and I'd never use a single powerup on her stats.
Though often I do just put it on Komatsu to raise her stats up to 7 without NP cost increases. She has high troops, which are a total waste unless her stats are high enough to lead them properly.
Thinking about it, I could use it on Mitsuhide. Raise a couple stats to 7, use the weak books to raise others to 6 then 7 with Rance's Love, and then get his daughter. It's kind of a large investment but it'd replace his lame ass with a 9/9/9/9 Tactician with lots of troops. I'd totally do that if I expect to be running out of Captain slots.

[Anonymous No.]

And there is always the second free tulip cannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377397
>>3377402
>>3377405
I agree with all of these... Eazas gets you 5 captains for the price of 3, most of which are great (Kasumi being the potential exception, since as stated earlier you can give Kanami a Battle Permit).
Uruza is what makes Zeth interesting. You can just buy Rance's Love if you want it.

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>>3377425
You really should get all the reinforcements, since all of them give Satisfaction, with the 1st reinforcement being decent, the second top tier, and the third very good in both cases, and they are pretty much irrelevant to what kind of game(route, order of conquest) you play.

My only suggestion is to get Leazas first, they are easier to use immediately(and Build Up Maria's troops with Popularity staff).

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>>3377413
>and then get his daughter.
Does she come with a prespecified amount of units, or will her army just be as big as here dad's?

(I never used that guy, he was always so slow, useless and only 2 action points, so I never trained his army)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377453
>Popularity staff
Is this some item you can buy in 2nd games? so you you need to waste those 20 turns like the wiki says?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377453
>Popularity staff
Is this some item you can buy in 2nd games? Or you you need to waste those 20 turns like the wiki says?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377468
>Is this some item you can buy in 2nd games?
You can buy it. 20 units per turn. not sure how to normally get it. Fuck, I don't even remember how to get battle permits normally. I'm so addicted to item bonuses...

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377480
You get Battle Permits after you reach a certain total troop count.
I found the popularity staff in the dungeon in Owari.

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>>3377455
Only different I ever saw was that her Affection level was reset to Hate. Technically it could be a disadvantage since she could get stolen by the Shimazu brothers.
Also, if Mitsuhide or his daughter are at 6/7 with Rance's Love equipped and you have a couple actions to waste in a turn (it does happen), you wouldn't be able to spend it on getting 7/7 and a Powerup because you can't "talk" to generics.
It was just a funny idea I had, I don't think it's a good idea when it comes to optimization. But it'd definitely make a random completion run original, and Gracia is on the Progress Report anyway.

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>>3377532
Well, you should mostly raise affection with the +3 Sat.Boost than talkin either way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377468
You can buy it for 4 points, assuming you've completed the game with it in your inventory at least once before.

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>>3377546
On this subject, I never realized how amazing it was to buy all items until I had points to spare. Since I already have everything that can be found, every dungeon run yields a Book2 instead. Turning strategic 8s into 9s makes a hell of a lot more difference than you'd expect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377480
You get it by not fighting any battles for the first 25 turns.
Atleast, that's what alicesoft wikia says.

[Anonymous No.]

Not fighting for 25 turns? That's pretty insane. Glad I managed to get it in a dungeon.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate to bring this up again, but Isoroku isn't giving me those two units.
Is there some page where the process is explained in detail? I talked to her for her entire Normal bar and have 6 free NP, so I don't know what I could be doing wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

How the hell do I get Gekko? I am on my second play through selected the additional character option for 20 Points and I already defeated Hara house, there is no option to get Gekko.

I am using the most current 1.04 patch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377745
You have to check the Hara region every turn, there's an option for him eventually, it's called
*Lightning on a clear day?
or something like that.
Not sure if you need a certain amount of free NP for the option to show up either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377761
You do need the free National Power, and it's only available from turns 7-9 IIRC. It works on the same trigger for the Kill The Monkey option.

[Anonymous No.]

A mysterious creature has appeared!

[Anonymous No.]

Seriously, is there someone here who has actually seen the event where Isoroku gives you two additional commanders?
It's the only two I'm missing, and I'm getting conflicting info here. Some say it's part of the True route, but another guy said it's unrelated to route (though that same guy lied about talking to her three times).
I don't know how I was supposed to find them on their own when I'm still having difficulty even with other players' help...

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3378089
Simply put, it can be done before you even enter ANY route.
Without giving her items or using the Sat. Bonus for Affection( so you do not get her to trust too fast), right after you recruit her, talk to her 2-4 times(just save before hand).
If you have spare National Power and Commander positions, they will join.
Quite easy.

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>>3378089
what does the wiki say?

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>>3378122
Dang... I must not have talked to her soon enough after getting her.
But that's good to know. I was afraid I was gonna have to redo some useless route again just for those two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378089
I've gotten the 2 archers, Not really too sure how I got it. I know I talked to Isoroku a few times for it to trigger.

Although I must say they aren't anything special, pretty average units.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378089
I got them when I was playing the Isoroku path, but I don't really remember what I did. They were both pretty average. I remember that I had a shitload of extra Nat Power and it was one of the early events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378124
Wiki doesn't say anything about those. I add info here and there when I find that it's missing or that the current info is inaccurate (happens more often than you'd think), but I don't know about this.
>>3378131
>>3378138
Very well, I'll just try again on another playthrough. Seems like there's a short time limit to doing these, because I have lots of NP too and it's just not happening.
I wouldn't care about two crappy Archers but they're on the Progress Report list. After I've done those two I'll have cleared all semi-unique commanders.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3378148
Again, it's way too easy.
Just start a new game, Conquer Ashikaga, recruit Isoroku, talk to her a few times right away.
It'll take twenty minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378158
Progress is saved only when you complete the entire game, so that wouldn't work. I'll have to do it another time, but if it's really that simple then it won't be any trouble on that next playthrough.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3378174
I'm pretty sure you just need to save, at least that's how I registered most character clears.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378187
I believe you're right concerning character clears, however this isn't exactly a normal clear since you can't officially clear generics. It's literally under the section "Commanders under control when game was cleared".
It's one of the most tedious sections to complete, I'll be very satisfied when it's done.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>3378200
Oh, that.
I kinda ignored that.
No much point in tedious playthroughs, especially after beating Orochi.

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>>3378244
I certainly hope so, he's last on my list because frankly he scares the hell out of me. I'm definitely gonna grind a level 99 Kentarou for it.
I still have maybe three playthroughs left to complete all objectives, it's not too bad. I greatly enjoy the game, but at this point I'd rather do Monkey Kill and have fun in my little sandbox than play through the Ran route a 3rd time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3377745
After you take over the Hara region, you have to wait a few rounds to for the option for gekkou to appear, It's a blank option called Lightning on a Clear day.

You must do it before Nobunaga gets possessed though.

[Anonymous No.]

I have recently been in spired to use Shizuka which I usually dont' because her speed sux. Think I'll put rances love on her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378437
That's interesting, I don't think I've ever seen a Mage unit with good stats in action. As you said they are so very slow, they only get to act once or twice per turn.
Are you gonna raise her speed and use fire and then destruction, or just her attack/troops and destruction as soon as it's up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378065
THIS PANDA IS THE MOST MANLY MOTHERFUCER SINCE AKASHI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378065
Boost it up to 9's. Enjoy raping Omachi single-handedly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3378623
HANDS OFF THE PANDA!

[Anonymous No.]

I'm starting to really, really hate the wiki.
It said if I offered Ieyasu some tempura he'd join me a bit later and allow me to recruit all the little tanuki youkai... but it's been a lot of turns and I just saw some other faction recruit one of the tanuki. I don't think the game will let me poach him back even if Ieyasu does show up eventually. Pretty sure I'm screwed there.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone post a picture of what happens when you lose to gigai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3379006
im not 100% sure on this but I think you can still get the other tanukis via Leyasu even if they're in another county. Well even if you can't you can just use the kuge swordsmen to capture them.

>>3378528
it'll depend on the situation, unless I pair her up with dousan and decide to spam

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>>3379020

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>>3379098
So there is no actual buttsex shown?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3379103
Pretty sure there isn't CG for that. They probably just put in a funny but disturbing scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3379103
He gets over-excited, starts hyperventilating, and burns you to a crisp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3379098

this is so awesome. i want to see an hcg of this more then one of omachis

[Anonymous No.]

>>3379202
Blasphemy.