/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, so I've just started learning Japanese, have done a bit of Rosetta Stone and I have a "Japanese for busy people" book that seems quite good

Any of you guys reccomend any good ways of learning japanese? books/iPhone apps, programs, anything really?

[Anonymous No.]

Neither of those will do you any good for written Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Go to Japan

[Anonymous No.]

take a class at school

[Anonymous No.]

read this first

http://pepper.idge.net/japanese/

[Anonymous No.]

>ROSETTA STONE
Gosh we have gone through this before, man!!

If you want to be a pro then this is the only way to go.
Enroll into some classes and chill out with narutobros.

[Anonymous No.]

>Rosetta Stone

Good luck with your "WATASHIWA SPOON DESU.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3363406
watashi wa pencil

seriously fuck rosetta stone

[Anonymous No.]

Lol my first time posting here, guess everyones a hater of rosetta stone then !

[Anonymous No.]

>>3363435

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>>3363435
Yeah, the NEETs here get pretty butthurt if you don't learn Wapanese the way they did. Just ignore them.

[Anonymous No.]

try reading some simple manga with furigana, if you already know enough reading and idiot-level grammar.
It kinda helps, and is very satisfying.

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>>3363406
>"WATASHIWA SPOON DESU.
Oh god, wat

[Anonymous No.]

>>3363446

where the hell is that from?

[Anonymous No.]

Go to a good college and take classes.

I started my first class about two weeks ago. It's four days a week, quizzes every Monday. We've just finished learning all of katakana and numbers, intros, age, time, school-- stuff like that.

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>>3363462
ORE WA NIPPON

[Anonymous No.]

genki. you can find the whole book / audio / workbook / answerkey collection on your favorite torrent site. Pimsleur's audio lessons are alright. There are a ton of DS games for learning kanji. There's also something called a furigana inserter plugin for firefox, use it with rikaichan or your favorite online dictionary and you can struggle through VN when you learn enough grammar. Also manga like Yotsubo or Fate/Kaleido Illya. That's it good luck.

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>>3363490

That's actually the book my class uses. I have the textbook and workbook

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>>3363484
Seriously this.

In b4 all those "too much effort" people.

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>>3363503

dude thats too much effort

[Anonymous No.]

>>3363521

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>>3363503
Learning a language requires effort, that much is obvious.
Learning a language through a class is less useful than self-study if you have the motivation and dedication though. The main things classes are useful for are speaking and possibly listening.

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>>3363484
I would like to do this but im working 5 days a week which makes that impossible

>>3363490
Thanks for the name I shall download the books and audio CDs see how I get on with that

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>>3363503
>>3363484
As somebody who just graduated from UT with a BS in computer science, I can safely say that taking a college class is just a waste of money. Every class I ever took in college, even the 4th-level, were filled with retards and teachers who acted like having to take time out of their research to teach a class was the biggest hassle ever. If you have any discipline whatsoever you can blow through self-study 3x faster than any shitty course. If you have the discipline to attend a class three times a week, why not save $500+ dollars and do this:
-go to your school / city library for 2 hours a day, thrice a week, away from computers and distractions, and study from your damn textbook.

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>>3363571

This. I have a M.S. in a physical science, and in general, I've learned more on my own than in a classroom. College / University is good for one thing only, and that is to get an official document that you can show potential employers.

If you want practice in a language, hire a tutor, use a networked voice app in a language learning group, find local people who speak the language, etc.

Actually, that might not be such a bad idea for /jp/. There is enough of us learning Japanese that setting up an online meeting space that allows voice would be worth our trouble.

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>>3363571
You pay the $$$$ to get the toilet paper degree at the end.

Noone will hired you if you don't have any qualification from a proper university.

[Anonymous No.]

Man. Jeez. Don't use Rosetta Stone. Don't use that, or Japanese for Busy People, either.

Basically if anything tries to start teaching you polite form before you actually understand Japanese grammar, tell it to fuck off. I honestly can't figure out how I learned Japanese--it was such a mosh of different things--but I am glad as hell I didn't use Rosetta Stone.

The only good way to learn Japanese is by application. You can go to your textbooks to learn the framework, but actual Japanese is another thing entirely, and the only way you'll ever really get an understanding of the language is through the trial and error of actually reading/listening to it.

A big problem, also, with most textbooks, is that they are trying to teach you Japanese from an English point of view. No. You can't do that. Drop everything you think you've learned about Japanese up until now, and pretend you don't even know English. You have to work from the ground up--and I mean the GROUND up--if you don't want to end up with a horribly mangled perception of the language. Do not assume anything, ever, or else you'll end up thinking 私ですスミス is a sentence. This isn't like learning Spanish, where you already know basically all the grammar and half the vocabulary just by virtue of the fact that you speak English. Japanese had absolutely zero contact with the rest of the world for almost the entirety of its development as a language, and so there are almost no linguistic comparisons you can make between it and English.

Anyway, have fun～～

[Anonymous No.]

um, im kinda a faggot, and using my japanese coach for NDS just to start learning basics

its this good or bad?

[Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx No.]

I'm surprised at all the people actually recommending classes, not sure if they're just trolling.

>>3363963
It may not be the greatest option, but it certainly won't make your Japanese worse.

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>>3363934
>you can't learn Japanese from books, but I don't know how you learn it.

Ah, very helpful!

I went to Jap class for one day, then I found out they were only covering the first 4 chapters of Genki over the entire semester. I dropped it that day.

[Anonymous of Germany !SsHajimeB6 No.]

I agee with >>3363934 , trying to learn Japanese like any other language just doesn't work. You have to get a working knowledge of the grammer first of all, maybe just get yourself a "japanese grammer" book of amazon. If you have that as a foundation you'll be able to work on it. Don't try to dive headfirst into the language.

>>3363963
I used that for a while, it was surprisingly good. Not great level good but definitely acceptable. It did the part for the diffrent forms of the words really well.