/07/th Expansion Thread

[Anonymous No.]

Discussion for Higurashi, Cicada season, Umineko, Seacats, Ciconia, Higanbana, Rose Guns Days and all other 07th Expansion works.

07th Expansion archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/wLxAFApJ#bw2evoJRzl6BDhlpadX1YQ

Scorpion Charm:
https://pastebin.com/aa9NjGdU

Image Based Scorpion Charm:
https://pastebin.com/G5xm1rbQ

Rika-chama has fallen!

[Anonymous No.]

He died for our sins.


Just kidding he had no purpose

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>>33535781
Good.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nr4SLI8FMM

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>>33535708
Riding Rika-chama's pathetic ass!

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[Anonymous No.]

2 EPISODE LEFT
HOPE STILL ALIVE RIKA AND OOISHI ARE THE CULPRIT IN ALL THE GAMES

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2 EPISODES LEFT TO ENTER
HE WILL EAT THE BRAINS

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>>33536566
sorry italishitter but nope, its proven its all satoko since the beginning, this episode quite blatantly confirmed it with no doubts.
It is CERTAIN you are a goat.

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It's 3/4 so let's celebrate best witch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq5YSqzX6Jk

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>>33536566
PASTA LA VISTA MOFO

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>>33536566
>>33536678
Cour 3 is confirmed tho

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>>33536899
Is it
Is it really
By confirmed
Do you mean
Rumoured

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>>33536899
Where was it confirmed?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGO8M1f5lws

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>>33536691
FAKE I CANT BELIVE THAT HIGURASHI IS NOT A MYSTERY

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I am really enjoying the anime still.
Did the DEEN anime not characterize Satoko properly or something?
Is that why secondaries are up in arms?
I understand the lolicons however, my condolences to them.

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>>33537129
realistically it's the lolicons who are satokofagging and no one else

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Hell yeah a screenshot I took used as OP

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>>33537155
It's kinda funny since I really like Satoko now that they're expanding her character out more.

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I can't believe they ruined my dignified Featherine by making her a wasteful useless fucking hikki NEET!
>sits around in a single dark room with no human contact for years on end
>lounges around in a single chair with horrific posture
>the silence of her room is only broken by her dumb giggles at whatever dumb story she's watching at the time
>weirdly into edgy shock horror with gore

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>>33537182
What character? This shit?

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>>33535781
Satoko-chan's green dress with long sleeves... hau..

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>>33537192
She isn't Featherine though!

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>>33537192
That made her a tiny bit cuter, but she's still no match for Hanyuu.

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>>33537182
I'm also having fun with Walmart blond Homura.

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>>33535708
uoooh rikabutt

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If Hanyuu didn't want it then why does she wear clothes with suspiciously placed slits in them?

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>>33537072
Pasta la magis

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>>33536024
The entire episode is this essentially. A realization it was all a fucking bad joke.

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Isn't it somewhat reasonable that Satoko would stop caring about Satoshi at this point? She's just taken in all 100 years of Rika's experience, plus however long she spent between deaths during the high school saga, all with Satoshi in Irie's rape dungeon. Without him being around her for so long, is it not possible for her to not care for him as much anymore?
Mind you, I still have issues with her going all gay for Rika. I mean, if she's been focused on Rika the whole time, then what was that thing in Tatari about? Even the group thought she was dragging K1 off for sexy time. I can't believe that was all an act, considering she's bad enough of an actor she ducks on reflex after seeing a box that was a trap once in the massive amount of loops she's now seen.

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>>33537192
>>33537227
This is the true nature of the most powerful witch, Ryukishi confirms that truNEETs are the most powerful race.

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[Anonymous No.]

higurashi gou is pure KINO
higuonlies are on suicide watch

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>>33537327
Based.

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honestly don't care much about Gou, i'm just worried that if Gou bombs we may not be getting any new WTC content ever again

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>>33537381
ciconia is the last wtc anyway

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>>33537381
The merch sales will make up for Gou bombing don't worry.

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>>33537318
The point is she's just not well written at all. As much as I love her I gotta admit, it seems pretty fucking stupid that people would go "Rika doesn't care about anyone" when now the thing to go with is "well it's normal for Satoko not to give a shit about anyone". It's either one or the other. It's normal after 100 years and some mental exhaustion that some of those feelings towards anyone would be lost, but that'd be a reason enough for her to drop the thing about Rika too, yet she's dead set on fucking "winning". Rika wanted to live past June 1983, so she had to give a shit about that despite being old. Satoko being attracted to Rika enough she's willing to spend 100 miserable years trying to learn everything about her, that's a bit too much when other people don't apply.

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>>33537397
But what if Gou makes the Hanyuufag stop buying merch?

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>>33537471
Hanyuufag meltdown was a joke. Read his twitter properly.
07th Expansion stock will keep on doing fine.

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>>33537471
That's okay, they have another huge cashflow now.

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Gou is not bombing you fags. Despite the quality of this series Ryuukishi is trying to milk it, not drop it.

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>>33537506
Is the japanese Higu Gacha doing well?
Any info on sales/playerbase?

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>>33537521
everybody's been shitting on this latest episode and nobody likes the direction Gou is going at all. i don't see it doing well if it keeps going down this path

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>>33537506
>>33537523
The number of followers of its Twitter account has been decreasing for some time now. Make of that of what you will.

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>>33537545
I like Gou and most people like it too. People who dislike it are a loud minority.

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Fuck Marry Kill?

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>>33537555
Twitter does not matter when it comes to sales and the economy, its an echo chamber of trashy people.

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>>33537545
There are still people unironically defending the episode justifying it as being accurate context to lead to Satokodelta and FurudeRika Bernkastel.
And they are wrong because it doesn't match the other two characters to make the connection work out.

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>>33537555
lol

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>>33537578
Marry Satoko
Kill Rika
Fuck Hanyuu

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>>33537521
>>33537397
Ciconia is the only thing bombing.

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>>33537545
>everyone
it's only /a/

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>>33535708
TToTT

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>>33537586
I don't think you know much about gachas.

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>>33537602
based retard

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>>33537428
I agree with you on that. It's what I meant by my second point: I don't really get how she can obsess over Rika to such a regard, while also not caring about Satoshi, while also being in a state of flux as to whether she cares about the rest or not. The obsession feels forced, as if it was added purely because Lambda obsesses over Bern. The discarding of her feelings towards Satoshi are fair in a vacuum, but she stills seems to completely disagree with Rika wanting to leave, as if she just watched 100 years of fragments completely ignoring Rika's valid reasons for wanting to leave.
It doesn't validate what Rika has done to her, but if anything, that should be driving Satoko away from Rika, not hurtling towards her at rapid speed. It's as if they want Satoko to become Lambda, only they thought Lambda's only character was 'wants to fuck Bern'.

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>>33537545
What path? Please describe in detail how it's laid down.

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>>33537578
Marry Satoko
Fuck Satoko
Kill Satoko

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>>33537575
>>33537638
i was just looking on twitter, like 50% of the posts are people just shitting on the episode and wondering why the hell they turned Satoko insane. also the threads on places like 5chan are real critical of it, it's universally hated around the board there.

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>>33537578
Fuck Hanyuu
Marry Satoko
Kill Rika

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I like Gou but a lot of the episodes feel like filler, especially today's. Also I refuse to believe this Satoko/Lambda nonsense. Either R07 is pulling a retarded retcon for the sake of Gou's existence (which would be absolutely stupid), or it's a red herring, in which case there will definitely need to be another season to properly work this all out.

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>>33537672
lotta people don't like how they turned satoko into this crazy yandere villain

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>>33537691
>Also I refuse to believe this Satoko/Lambda nonsense
how many levels of copium are you on

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Did /a/ leave yet? Can we discuss Gou plot yet?

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>>33537688
You are being trolled by tourists.

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>>33537649
I do know about gachas and social media numbers do not reflect their sucess specially when pure retards comment on their pages.
F*te/Gr*nd Order and Communist Impact get shit on a lot and yet they still sell like fire.

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Get yourself someone who will love you as much as Satoko loves Rika.

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>>33537706
It makes no sense to anyone who has actually read WTC.

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>>33537706
Satoko/Lambda has always been nonsense, retarded idiots using the non-original sprites to prove their point.

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>>33537710
literally what is there discuss, and please, don't talk about umineko/ciconia references or some shit

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>>33537691
>I like Gou
Let me tell you. You don't.
The rest of your post just shows how you don't like Gou and are in denial. I broke because of the last episode. It's not wrong to have hope for something better but as far as I see you are not liking Gou that much.

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>>33537718
>>33537733
Except now Satoko/Lambda is as good as confirmed with literally everything happening in Gou now.

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>>33537688
2channel is the reddit of japan, they are just retarded in general and they don't even read the VNs because they're too hard for them
also
>twitter

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>>33537702
So what? Where is -that- going? It's already at that point. Which direction is it actually going?

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>>33537747
Satoko/Lambda is a clusterfuck though, are there multiple Lambdadeltas going around? Is the Lambdadelta that granted Takano's wish a different entity?

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>>33537735
No, just Higurashi from Higurashi perspective. The references aren't that interesting or important.

But I'll wait at least a day to let everyone cool down.

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>>33537765
What's the most based nipchannel?

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>>33537747
Explain why Lambdadelta was never considered Featherine miko?
>inb4 NotFeatherine

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Lambda always felt like a mix between Takano and Satoko so it makes sense for there to be a connection between Satoko/Lambda. The metaverse doesn't actually have strict rules so I don't see why there can't be vague midway where Lambda is a combinatino of both. the only problem I have is that Satoko's motive is really forced and retarded

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>>33537776
Fucked if I know, maybe it's that closed timeloop thing where Lambda fulfils her own existence.

>>33537788
Because it was retconned in after the fact.

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>>33537776
It's called a logic error for a reason.

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>>33537777
checked
>>33537735
everything retard
go back to
>>>/a/

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>>33537713
This isn't about people talking about the game on social media. The number matters because it's where most players get news about the game from its official account on Twitter, if people stopped following it then most likely they stopped playing.

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>>33537802
you start the discussion. what do you want to talk about? i'll talk with you

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>>33537789
Satoko's motive is basically the same as Yasu's except that Satoko ACTUALLY was Rika's best and most beloved friend whereas Yasu's "relationship" with Battler was just a delusion.

[Anonymous No.]

The Commando of Rokkenjima.

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>>33537797
>>33537803
Uhm so what is the logic error?
I am not smart like the SatoLambdaCHADs, do you mind elaborating on the theory?
You all saw this coming years ago by making bad alchemist sprite comparisons.

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>>33537825
there were never any loops in Umineko so it's not at all the same, there's a key difference there

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>>33537192
Why can't witches get real hobbies and not be jerks?

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>>33537833
I'm not a SatoLambda person, I'm just saying after Gou it's probably going in that direction. The logic error would be that Lambdadelta breaches causality by creating herself and making a time loop before being lifted up out of the board as a Witch.

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I'll just patiently wait for the next episode, which will be followed by another 2 episodes, which will be followed by another season that will explain things better.

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>>33537789
Thing is that this episode is denying Satoko being 34 because doesn't match her besides having powers.

>>33537833
Considering this last episode it's a huge mess to properly give you a theory. The idea is that Lambdadelta created herself thought retro causality. So Lambdadelta helped Takano so Takano could kill Rika, Rika will now loop until she wins and leads to the situation which Satoko doesn't want, so Satoko starts looping and becomes a Witch that will turn out into Lambdadelta which will help Takano and the cycle goes on.
It's her from the future that creates the conditions for being born in the past.

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>>33537833
If it is a logic error, it's because Lambda gave Takano her power before she actually became a "witch". Basically, if Satoko is Lambda then how did Takano gain Lambda's protection before Gou happened?

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Everyone is busy being emotional about this or that, but this guy is just scoring the blood splatters.

At times like these, I just love nip twitter.

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>>33537776
Whole show is probably a retcon, ignoring the extra umineko material like memoirs of lambdadelta.
To be fair it seemed to be ignoring extra higurashi material from the get go, too.
It's something that's built to losely make sense if you read the 8 episodes of both and nothing else, makes sense most dedicated otaku seem to be completely done with gou by now.

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>>33537896
idk what explanation would satisfy me. I guess i'd be okay if Satoko was possessed or something? but i wouldn't like it if they revealed she was L5 the whole time, that would be stupid

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>>33537825
I mean Yasu's motivation was a hell of a lot more than Battler's promise, Battler returning in 1986 was just the tipping point that sent the whole house of cards tumbling and set the massacre into motion.

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>>33537896
Did that for todays episode and I feel like shit trying to figure it out.

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>>33537904
The blood splatters in Gou sucks because the amount of blood is so huge it's comical.

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>>33537785
for that, you must lurk moar newfriend.

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>>33537904
The plot is so boring you start counting blood splatters.

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>>33537937
The simulation is not perfect.

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>>33537833
LOGIC ERROR SOLUTION

ERIKA BECOMES KANON, SAVES BATTLER AND RETURNS ERIKA

THIS EXPLAIN WHY ERIKA DIDNT SAW NOTHING IN THE CLOSET AND WHY BATTLER DIDNT UNDERSTAND IN 1000 YEARS THAT THE WINDOWS WAS CLOSED(in erikantrice the window was closet all the time)

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>>33537812
I don't talk with /a/ tourists

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>>33537971
hanyuu_glitching.webm

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>>33537611
>>33537689
>Kill Rika
whats wrong with you

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>>33537937
But you couldn't score Rika's & Satoko's facial blood splatters nearly as high if there was less of it.

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>>33537996
I want to kill Rika but I don't want her to suffer what does it mean?

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>>33537996
Nothing is wrong with me.

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Do you guys have a recommended wiki for this? I don't read or watch it, but I am vaguely aware of people finding some connections between characters of the various series and I've always wondered why there are two Rika looking characters in Umineko (the one portrayed as a catgirl and the twintail detective(?))

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>>33537578
Marry Rika
Marry Hanyuu
Disembowel Satoko alive, miraculously heal her, amputate her limbs and sell her to a particularly cruel foreign oji-san for 1000 years of loops.

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>>33538027
FUCK OFF GOAT
YOU WILL MISS ONE OF THE GREATEST EXPIRIENCE EVER

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>>33538027
I want to help you newfriend but this series is such a mess that I don't know how to tell you besides reading the VN.

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>>33537899
>>33537902
>>33537915
The theories will certainly give me a minor headache.

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>>33538044
>sell her to a particularly cruel foreign oji-san for 1000 years of loops.
Do you know the money doesn't cross the loops? It doesn't matter if you sell her countless times if you can't keep all the money for the next loop.

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko anime when?

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>>33538068
Doesn't matter now. Gou is a consume and move on. There is nothing to think about anymore.

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>>33538084
It's not for the money, I just want her to suffer without having to look at her face after the initial deed.

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>>33538090
It's on episode 22 lol

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>>33537937
irie being giving people lots of blood transfusions beforehand cause he knows that big blood splatters are great

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>>33538090
Never, holy shit. Watching Gou meltdown is fun because Higurashi was always a mediocre glorified slice of life. Don't want Gou or its writing actually touching an Umineko anime.

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>>33538027
I think you will not be satisfied with the info on the wiki. And it's not really good info either. I don't think people on the wiki really know what they are typing. Same with the most of the analysises, it's just a schizo articles all the time

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Truly, we've entered the MGS4 Prequels of WTC phase. Bravo, Dragon Knight Zero Seven, bravo!

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>>33538107
So why selling at all? It's a pointless thing to do.

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>>33538090
Only if it'll be schizo shaft style anime

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>>33537996
I didn't mean to be cruel.
That's the only way Rika can escape from Satoko's loops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538095
I'm gonna take the Sakutarou approach to watching Gou then. Uryu.

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>>33538147
Applaud, Apologize, Kill
Which one you choose?

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>>33538183
In that order

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>>33538158
Giving her away is ok too, I figure someone who wanted to buy a thing like that would be able to hide their multilated slave better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538203
>t Rena

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>>33538183
Kill, apologize, applaud

[Anonymous No.]

Satoko sucks. Gou sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538183
kill, apologize, applaud obv

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>>33538183
Same order

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>>33538027
In its entirety, WTC is one of the longest written commercial works by word count. Reading a wiki to catch up is a mistake and you will not truly understand it.

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>>33538147
It will take R07 100 years to be as much of a hack and a money sink as Kojima. Don't even joke about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33537688
Sources?

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>>33538376
>It will take R07 100 years
What if R07 actually is a looper?

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>>33537192
Comfy Featherine is nice. I want to watch cheap drama with her.

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>>33538448
>every loop BT dies and he can't save him or his own works

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>>33535708

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Season 2 is just Passione Kira with even lewder scenes, nothing too important

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>>33538446
just search Higurashi Gou on twitter, you can also find the Gou thread on the 5ch anime board

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>"Study for 100 years" faction VS "Yandere yuri Satoko is the best" faction VS "Poor poor Satoshi-kun" faction

[Anonymous No.]

Why was Saikoroshi-hen skipped? It even had its own anime adaptation with a pretty catchy OP.

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>>33538523
>Day of the episode
>Japan has tsunami warning from an earthquake
Not even The Creator approves this. READ THE BIBLE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538543
Doesn't this episode explain why Rika is looping despite Saikoroshi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538543
Don't even talk about it. Makes the hatred grow stronger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538558
It doesn't direct. It has to be Featherine doing it but it's not confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538543
Cause it hasn't happened yet.

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>>33538584
That's dumb. What about Hanyuu then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538374
>>33538138
>>33538063
I don't want to "catch up", I want to know "if twintail loli is related to Rika y/n." Seems like a simple question to be answered.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWJVVlsm5g

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>>33538584
That can't be because it would be impossible for things in Saikoroshi to go like they did if Rika had Gou experiences.

>>33538593
Don't ask questions coomsume.

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>>33538594
In that case it's not. Bern created Erika based of Rika in a sense. There is a cursed image of a shoop with Rika looking like Erika.

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Anons, please tell me something. Don't you guys like complex stories? Personally after seeing a shit ton of normal stories I started to want more complex plots. And when I say complex I mean kudzu plot type of stories, like the zero escape series. I really like the direction Gou is heading to right now greatly linking Umineko and Ciconia, it's starting to become interesting. I know, Satoko's motivations are kinda dumb, but can't you let it slide just to enjoy the story more?

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>>33538543
Retconned. Maybe.

Rika doesn't remember the first post Matsuribayashi timeline, so unless Saikoroshi happened in one of the other post Matsuribayashi timelines, then Rika doesn't remember it at all. Why would it be skipped/retconned? I don't have an explanation other than Saikoroshi isn't important for Gou. This doesn't really make sense considering the way Rika treats Satoko in the Saikoroshi fragment There still could be references to it in one of the last two episodes.

>>33538570
Hanyuu is big fat liar and not just in Saikoroshi.

>>33538593
Hanyuu is still in Hinamizawa in 1983 even after Featherine sends Satoko back, you can see her in episode 21, so if Saikoroshi hasn't happened in Gou yet, Hanyuu can still be around when it does happen.

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>>33537192
Like we all guessed from the second episode of Gou, she's a representation of the spectator or, like Featherine says, Theater-goers.

[Anonymous No.]

rika suffering turns me on

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538632
Unironically, read all Nasu's works, it's the same type of world building. Start with Tsukihime. Just look at the OP of /tmg/ or go to Beast Liar forum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538632
Satoko trying to mindbreak Rika is literally the main plot of Gou so it is hard to ignore

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>>33538632
>complex stories
>like the zero escape series
Look where that ended up though. Fucking Carlos, snails and complex motives.

I like a degree of complexity but what's being done to Satoko as a character to maybe prove a point is absurd. However I do not pretend like others to know where Gou is going at all.

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>>33538632
Only if it's written well. If the author must resort to retcons or asspulls it is not written well.

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>>33538523
That's a pretty accurate summary of what I've seen there.

Except the 3 groups are more like this:
- those scared of Satoko / calling Gou a gag anime
- those who enjoy their Crazy Diamond Psycho Lesbian Satoko
- the nii-nii posters pondering actual plot questions

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>>33538655
This scene was so weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538696
The ADV;Sci VN might also interest you, it's more or less the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538643
>>33538593
Just thought about this a bit more and realized the problem is that Hanyuu is meant to have disappeared in Gou. At least by Onidamashi. She could always come back. I doubt it though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538632
Complexity isn't good because complexity is inherently good, other things like characters, motives, themes and plot all come first and if the result of that is an interesting and complex story that's a good thing. Gou being shit and complex but all of the characters are butchered is god awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538713
embrace it

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538760
The perspective made it look like a different character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538696
>>33538718
I not sure if I would call dubiously(because it's never 100% confirmed or elaborated) linking every work by a meta world/maybe simulation the same as works explicitly taking place in the same world the same.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay so after seeing the Ciconia references in last week's episode I decided to finish Ciconia before this week's episode, which I originally put off because I want to read when there are more phases coming out first.
I just finished yesterday and god damn that was long. I have my own personal theories on a lot of things in it, so I am curious to see where I can discuss those with people. What theories have people developed? Where can i go read?

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>>33538837
sry Im ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538852
>>33538837
We talk about them here often but Gou is the topic right now.

[Anonymous No.]

You niggs are just over thinking this. There is no Satoko and Lambda connection, Satoko is just "Not-Featherine"'s miko or game piece and this is the reason Satoko is acting fucked like forgetting about Satoshi. We've seen that witch's influence can cause people to do things they wouldn't normally do, like Takano who broke down when she realized she was about to kill Rika and gas Hinamizawa.

[Anonymous No.]

FUCK YOU I CAN'T DO HOMEWORK AAAAHHHHHHHHH

Ryukishi-san...

[Anonymous No.]

Is Yasu’s hair naturally blonde or brown? Lion’s hair is blonde but in the manga it looks like Yasu’s natural hair is brown. Did the fall really fuck her hair up?

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>>33538892

[Anonymous No.]

I believe Ryuukishi wrote himself into a corner and to get out of it he allowed this whole loose connection between WTC entries to happen in any way more than a simple red herring as it used to be. You can better explain things like how fragments work if it's all a simulation, because memories or lessons learned between loops happen outside of the looper's mind. Unlike in other works where realities are parallel, this is just a succession of realities where one happened before and the next happens after.

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>>33538897
The Lion we see is not what Lion actually looks like. Bern purposely masked Lion's appearance to make it more ambiguous.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey y'all why are you such satoko stans y'all

[Anonymous No.]

Would you be her little spoon as she nuzzles into your neck as you both laugh at Satoko getting hit by trucks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538963
Go back
Yes I know you're joking but still, go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538963
shes hot

[Anonymous No.]

She really meant it when she said forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538979
Which Rika is Jestress chasing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33533034
>Umineko saying Higurashi was just a game with soulless pieces who will shut down after the game ends
Umineko never said that. When Lambda called Higurashi a gameboard she meant it metaphorically. Beatrice's world is a literal gameboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538979
Moonlight theory is hard to believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538878
I see, I guess I will start then. I was just searching randomly on the net and found a thread with an interesting take: None of the main gauntlet group besides Miyao LATO really saw Toujirou in real life, and I guess the same can also be said about Seshat. This shit sounds really crazy to me it might just be true, like Toujirou was always just living in Miyao's head the whole time rent free

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>>33538979
This horny yandere bitch needs to stop

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, but what happened to Satoshi post-Matsuri?
Why Hanyuu disappeared when Matsuri seemed to imply she would stick around?
Will they answer these and other questions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539008
he's still stuck on the moon

[Anonymous No.]

>we get a Gou VN but it's shitty console sprites only
How would you react?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539008
Surrender your thoughts.
coomsume Gou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539005
Don't recommend ESL theorycrafting besides Japanese of course. Even so japanese have weird theories as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539028
so the one we are already watching then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33533192
Satoko is Lambda. She just forgot who she was and got stuck as Satoko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539028
I'd love to have Watanabe sprites. If Gou were to get a VN, that'd be the most likely case, even if they were just reused Mei assets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538995
Miyao (Meow)

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>>33539008
These and more questions will be answered in Higurashi Sotsu next year! Buy the new higurashi remaster with an episode dedicated to answer nothing at all!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539008
I don't think we will get explicit answers to these questions. I can't decide what the scene where Satoko says farewell to Satoshi implies more. Did Satoko never find out about Satoshi? Or did he die/never recover? Or did she find out and then he died?

Hanyuu disappearance is directly linked to Featherine's appearance no doubt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539040
what are some mainstream theories I want to read about then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538979
Still, no wonder she got wreck when trying to attack Featherine in Umineko. It's practically like trying to attack your boss and not expect to get fired.

[Anonymous No.]

It's game over for Satoko now, right?
She's acting on the basis that Rika won't remember her deaths, but now that she does, the whole charade is up.
The options are physically destroying Rika's body to the point where she can't react every loop or begging her to stay in hinamizawa, she can't make the elaborate plans to fool Rika into wanting to stay anymore, and if she tries persuasion she'll have to answer for her murderous yandere outbursts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539086
oh shit could she been trying to catch Featherine instead of Rika there then

[Anonymous No.]

>Did we have any confirmation that Takano's aunt didn't have children at some point?
Takano's aunt is Meryl and she's dead as fuck in this timeline.

[Anonymous No.]

So how does Satoko leave the Matsuribayashi loops and start living in worlds where everyone is insane again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539005
holy shit and then linking that with Seshat causing all the people to lose memories and never leave any trace in security cameras... this is my head canon now

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>>33539083
About Ciconia? Brain in a jar is the lame one. The whole thing is a biblical Revelation thing. I don't remember with detail the others because this is just phase 1.
Going further beyond is pic related but might have some spoilers if you didn't read read all VNs.
This picture is bringing the theories on maximized schizophrenia.

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>>33539143
Satoko's probably stealing the last remaining virus samples before they're taken and making people go insane through that.

[Anonymous No.]

This what Satoko gets for befriending a codependent nutjob.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539146
Seshat is not a human being it's just AI.

[Anonymous No.]

How did Satoko get into the high security underground lab? Did she seduce Irie into revealing the secret?

[Anonymous No.]

In the first place, did Rika deserve the Matsuribayashi fragment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539206
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

Knowing Satoko, she'll get her way but cheat on Rika a few years later.

She's a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

It's gonna be strange, because if Rika manages to pull off killing Satoko with the fragment of the onigari no ryuuou and the next fragment is a brand new Satoko, in order to avoid this shit she's gonna have to give up on her dream or at least find a good way to fix that shit. An ending in which she does the same and Satoko doesn't enter the saiguden is truly depressing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539097
Basically. Everything was actually going according to Satoko's plan, even after Rika gained the power to remember, it wasn't until Satoko personally killed Rika that Rika figured it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539219
She just has to move out to the school by herself and leave Satoko in hinamizawa.

[Anonymous No.]

Cuteroris being morally reprehensible and worthy of hatred is my favorite fetish. Satoko is so cute, and yet she can be as much of a piece of shit as her uncle!

[Anonymous No.]

How does Satoko feel about Tatari Keiichi seeing her snatch and butt crack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539157
I have no fucking clue what that pic is trying to say, but I have read all the WTC stuff to see it as a gigantic shitposting
>>33539175
Yeah I think I would agree. Based the factory scene I thought Toujirou had already became a witch but some dialogue does not suggest so, although those dialogues happened when he is talking to LATO so I don't fully believe those scenes were real.
Going by this logic, since pretty much everyone is CPP, could they even have seperate avatars on the internet? If so maybe a lot of kettes don't even have three people in them

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>>33539083
immortality 8ms turning everyone into zombies

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539231
She killed Rika numerous times. We saw it in the last episode with the chandelier. She also killed her in the first Gou arc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539265
Sorry, nevermind this. I spedread your post and missed the middle. I am a dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539143
Her approach obviously changed in the Onidamashi and onwards. And probably uncover something about the syndrome that makes Takano change her mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG0zaTqZoD4

This is the main theory at the moment. That channel as another one about the virtual afterlife that is probably relevant to the story too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539083
https://www.youtube.com/user/ZAKMagnus/videos
This channel's basically just Ciconia theories

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539201
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS AND CONSUME.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539265
But Rika didn't have the power to remember her deaths then.
The time she did have that power, Rika thought she was under l5, and wasn't regular Satoko.
Now that her being a looper was exposed, the "I was under the virus" excuse won't fly.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Satoko is using 8MS manipulation to pull guns out of nowhere and activate traps in non-gag scenes. She's a GK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539302
why don't you use 8MS manipulation to get yourself a gf, lol

[Anonymous No.]

Satoko speedreading through higurashi to catch up

[Anonymous No.]

It's easy for love to turn into hatred. Satoko doing all this shit after Rika betrayed her makes perfect sense and I'd do it myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539301
Yeah I realized that's what you meant after posting. My mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539219
She needs to have a 1 on 1 talk with NotFeatherine. Which is really the cause of everything by pulling Satoko out of the Matsuribayashi timeline and makes her repeat what is supposedly the best ending of Higurashi and turns it into her hellish torture. That's kinda hilarious actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539332
>I'd do it myself.
Really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539201
I got the feeling she wasn't really there, only observing the kakera, same as in the first scene of witnessing schizo K1 killing Rena and Mion

[Anonymous No.]

Every week I imagine someone unfamiliar with WTC watching Gou and laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539201
She wasn't there for any of the memories, was she? Just watching them

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539201
I wondered the same before this episode and expected a lot more around it, but then the whole nii-nii scene was only a few seconds...

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539332
What a faggot you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539201
If you want to give Ryukishi the benefit of the doubt, she viewed 100 years of hinamizawa fragments.
Her perspective of those fragments wasn't bound to her physical body like Rika, but rather a panoramic, game master view, as she could see scenes she wasn't in (like a crazed Keiichi killing Mion and Rena.)
She had an entire century to analyze hinamizawa on detail. Any password, she'll have learned. Any physical key or copy or where it's stored, she'll know where it is.
As long as there's a single gap in security in any day during the time she's looping, she can take advantage of that precise moment to enter the lab.
Should have just studied for 100 years instead of doing this stupid shit lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539351
Rika went there right? If Rika was there then obviously Satoko could go through those fragment lenses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539362
The basement security door opened for her. There was nobody else around. She wasn't just watching in that fragment, it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33534839
>I love reading all the crazy guessing and wild theories being made, but I couldn't find anything.
Anon, warosu archive exists. Every single discussion here has been archived on warosu for the last decade, including Ciconia stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33537788
Well, although she was never called Featherine's miko she seemed to know a lot about her and there was the mess regarding Bern's origin (initially said to be from Lambda's game, later on Featherine is said to be the game master during Bern's origin). Gou's set up actually makes both explanations fit together. Also, Featherine hasn't referenced Satoko as miko yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539372
>Should have just studied
After that double suicide and the countless Matsuri loops of hearing and fighting against Rika and her dream, her hate against her just build up overtime and I really doubt she's even sane enough to consider that. Satoko is treating this like a club activity. A battle where she's definitely much more better than Rika in terms of strength and drive. Though Rika seems to have caught her tail in nekodamashi..

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539143
We'll see that next episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539404
>Featherine hasn't referenced Satoko as miko yet.
Satoko assumed that position it seems. Featherine didn't even name herself to her yet. lol
The disrespect. She knows Satoko is so easily manipulated. To be honest, she probably knows about the sword piece to kill the looper as well and knows that Satoko will hit that wall someday.

[Anonymous No.]

https://files.catbox.moe/z7jf4i.png
https://files.catbox.moe/whafli.png

Mion needs a good ol' bush.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539404
Rika is going to stab Satoko with the sword and claim her miko title and this represents "eating flesh" Featherine mentioned.
These connections start to feel boring.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Satoko completely obsessed with Rika while completely ignoring Satoshi and Keiichi? In the VN Satoko was more much more dependent of a big brother figure than she ever was to Rika. We know that because Rika specifically says this in Tatarigoroshi to K1: there are things I can't do for Satoko, she needs her nii-nii (or something along those lines).

Yandere Satoko is a huge downgrade and oversimplification of her character. Gou is looking like bad fanfiction made by people that didn't understand the characters, even if it's made by Ryukishi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539328
>Featherine: read the VN

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539332
>I'd do it myself.
This mentality is why you don't have real life friends or they drifted away from you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539509
It's been 5 years since then. Aren't you watching Satokowashi with us? Where were you when she was in St. Lucia?

[Anonymous No.]

Time to change channel for a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539509
She's not acting of her own accord, she's under NotFeatherine's influence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539509
>not realizing gou is a forgery by ikuko

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539542
I wonder if Featherine has watched me crack one out

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539553
Higurashi Gou is a forgery that Ikuko wrote after watching the Higurashi DEEN anime with Tohya. This is the definitive answer. I refuse to explain further.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539509
I'd say it's believable character development even if Passione doesn't convey it very well.

In 1983 Satoko hadn't yet been living with Rika for long, but after that they spent years happily together. With K1 moving away and no news of Nii-nii, it's reasonable that she would heavily imprint on Rika.

[Anonymous No.]

>Featherine mentioning the infinite monkey theorem
I guess it's confirmed now that the logic error already happened because of Hanyuu from the OG. Though the trigger as to why Bern hated Featherine is probably this. Turning her friend into an absolute monster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33536827
What, is this true? Is he releasing a new version of Hou with more stuff?

It will be on PC, right? There's no way he would write new arcs himself and have them stuck as consoleshit, right?

[Anonymous No.]

Well, Feather likes cats and stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539553
You sir you saved the series.
Whatever happened this is my official headcanon and Ryukishi can't blame me for not reading the other VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539621
https://twitter.com/07th_official/status/1353538593210331138
The only new thing is a "mini scenario" so I'm not expecting much.
>It will be on PC, right?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538963
>stans
Why do trannies love this ugly disgusting word so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539601
>Bern hated Featherine
At points she seems to really hate her and then when you read A Letter From Bernkastel which is supposedly adressed to Featherine, she seems to miss her a lot. With the information from Gou it might actually even be adressed to Hanyuu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539621
Yeah, they announced a Hou remaster at new year's. My guess is it will include VA and maybe console sprite options.

[Anonymous No.]

Naima biting her fingernails like the disgusting human brat she is!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539561
This is why Not Featherine is acting so mary sue its Ikuko self insert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539539
So what if it's been 5 years? Their relationship just evaporated? That doesn't make any sense.

>>33539543
That would take away all character agency and accountability and make for a terrible story. It's super sentai levels of ''good guy was under mind control by the big villain''.

>>33539580
But she starts her obsession even before K1 leaves for just a year. Mion is the one that leaves sooner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33537899
>Lambdadelta created herself thought retro causality
That's retarded. They said Lambda already existed for millions of loops in different universes before getting stuck as Satoko. She' not becoming Lambda, she's waking up from her fake existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539688
>They said Lambda already existed for millions of loops in different universes before getting stuck as Satoko
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>Lambda's tip in tsubasa used the St. Lucia background when she was talking to the rori at school
What if it was Satoko all along?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539686
>But she starts her obsession even before K1 leaves for just a year.
What do you mean by obsession? And, matsuribayashi's pussy k1 just wasn't a good surrogate nii-nii I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539688
That is the fucking point don't you know what retro causality is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539705
Am I being baited?
Wasn't Lambda talking to Takano in that scene?
Havent touched Tsubasa in like forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539686
>That would take away all character agency and accountability and make for a terrible story.
They already did that though in episode 17. Takano, who was no longer under Lambda's influence, broke down when she realized what she was about to do and apologized to Rika.

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>>33539705
The one in which she presumably talks to Takano, saying that she will certainly becomee God if she keeps at it? Seeing Satoko in the last episode aligns to how Lambda is thinking in that tip. I'd say it's still Takano but the tip makes the connection between Satoko and Lambda stronger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539686
She's a very young kid, 5 years is a huge chunk of her life, especially since it's those teenage years and all.
Her priorities and the people she cared about changed, it's very natural.

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>>33539708
She was emotionally dependant of Rika while not caring that much for K1. We didn't see her having a mental breakdown when K1 left Hinamizawa, right? And that happened before she and Rika went to St.Lucia.

>And, matsuribayashi's pussy k1 just wasn't a good surrogate nii-nii I guess

well...that's what it seems, but that's just boring and contrived, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539686
>Their relationship just evaporated?
What are you on about? Satoko didn't leave them. In fact from her eyes, Rika is the one. Didn't you watched Nekodamashi?

> It's super sentai levels of ''good guy was under mind control by the big villain''.
If you're this far in the show right now and you're interpretation of Satoko and Featherine's relationship is that shallow, then I won't blame you and blame Passione for being too fast right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539671
>Naomi and Stanislaw seem like good people
>They're actually drugging out some schizo kid who's been a research subject since she was 0 and causing her permanent brain damage

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>>33539735
We don't know the extent of Lambda's influence on Takano. For all we know she just gave her the power to fulfill what she was already set on doing. Her change of heart could have been legit. Either that or Ryukishi is a tremendous hack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539287
>They just trying to replicate immortal humans
omg is that why Maja is still alive, she literally regenerated from a brain

[Anonymous No.]

Today I will remind you

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539722
i don't get this meme. Does it have to do with 2012?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539788
Satoko is far from being Lambda right now. She's far from being balance, which is what Lamdadelta is all about besides the certainty stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539803
There is not 13th month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539739
>>33539705
Could Takano have gone through St Lucia as well? But instead she was the Ace that went easy peazy on every class but remained a social outcast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538543
Saikoroshi happened in the original timeline. Featherine had Satoko literally go back to a time when looper Rika had just won against Takano and Saikoroshi didn't happen yet. From there, she started fucking things up for Rika. Then Rika got looping memories again at the end of this episode, but she only remembers the previous timeline, where she went to St. Lucia again with looper Satoko and they died.

Basically Rika has no memories of the original Matsuribayashi world and what happened later. Only about a very similar world where Satoko was already a looper, the world immediately before Featherine granted her the ability to remember loops again. All this time Rika has been an NPC while Satoko looped, remembering all her original loops but none of the loops Satoko subjected her to.

When Rika remembered St.Lucia at the start of the second episode, she was remembering a world where Satoko was already looping for many years and Saikoroshi didn't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539772
>What are you on about? Satoko didn't leave them. In fact from her eyes, Rika is the one. Didn't you watched Nekodamashi?
Satoko should have more reason to be emotionally dependent on K1 than she is on Rika, but that's not what happens. K1 and Mion leave Hinamizawa and only visits occasionally, and Satoko has no problems with that. Rika is her only obsession.

>If you're this far in the show right now and you're interpretation of Satoko and Featherine's relationship is that shallow, then I won't blame you and blame Passione for being too fast right now.
That's not my interpretation, I was just answering the anon that said Satoko was under mind control.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539735
>who was no longer under Lambda's influence, broke down when she realized what she was about to do
Why are you assuming that is the reason as for Takano's breakdown? lol
It could something about her grandfather's research or something that Satoko managed to uncover that will stop her plan. Maybe debunking the Queen carrier shits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539815
oh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538558
You seem to think Rika is looping willingly. She's being forced to loop by Featherine and Satoko after they made a deal in this episode. For all the past episodes in this arc she has been a mere former looper piece with memories of her old loops, now she's a straight up looper again but she's not in control of the loops. Satoko is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539811
Satokodelta makes no sense. The only sense is really grabbing other entities to merge into Lambdadelta. Satoko only makes Lambdadelta incomplete there is a lot missing and contradicts Lambdadelta.

[Anonymous No.]

Hanyuu is meta, so she can disappear in meta-time and be absent from Hinamizawa even in 83 while Rika wonders what the fuck happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539888
Trips confirm I refuse to be denied.

[Anonymous No.]

>implying you wouldn't torture your 6th grade loli crush and enjoy her reactions if she rejected you and you got looping powers

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539755
She didn't have a mental breakdown because she had, for the first time in a long time, family that cared. Rika. A safe family with no conflicts.
K1 couldn't just become her family and live with her even if she needed a nii-nii in her life. I wouldn't call any of this contrived development.

But like I said, Passione doesn't do much to present this story on screen. Satoko's dependency on Rika is completely plausible and reasonable character development, but you have to reason about it yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538897
Lion is a fantasy idealization of what a Yasu with his balls intact would look like. Lion wouldn't realistically look like that. His entire fragment is pure fantasy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539884
But that's what I meant by saying it explains why Rika is looping after saikoroshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538963
How can they talk like this and not be ashamed of themselves? It's fucking goofy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538979
The scene on the right happened millions of matrix years before the scene on the left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539937
Then I guess all that stuff in Tatari and Minagoroshi were irrelevant. Satoko's need for a brother figure were highly exagerated, her relationship with K1 wasn't that strong and she even leaves Satoshi behind (in all of 5 seconds of screen time). It was Rika, it has always been just Rika...

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539948
yeah but i want to fuck lion

[Anonymous No.]

Jestress is Satoko. The Three Kings are Teppei and his buddies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539998
The Three Kings are just three random anons with Satoko Syndrome

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538926
>>33539948
I don't remember this being stated anywhere. His fragment is (was?) a possible but extremely unlikely reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539989
Come on now. It's pretty obvious that Satoshi will be the key here into resolving this if Satoko ever came back to the Matsuri timeline (w/o her memories about the loops) after Rika is done with this.

[Anonymous No.]

Satoshi can wake up at any time, he's in a medically induced coma. The only reason they don't wake him up is that he's a schizo and believes every single one of his delusions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539328
https://youtu.be/IqVgumkSom8

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538632
>complex plots
>like the zero escape series
READ A BOOK YOU NIGGER

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539083
Jesus Christ anon, look them up on warosu. The most interesting theories are archived there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540034
Then Satoshi would only be a prop for her happy ending, not really impacting the development of the story or their character arcs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539652
because it's devoid of either romance or shame, utterly vulgar

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539328
Satoko being a speedreader is the final nail in the coffin ruining the character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540070
>not really impacting the development of the story
Satoshi is probably awoke in the Matsuri timeline 5 years later and Shion knows this. So there will be something there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33538696
I'm reading Tsukihime, but I put it on hold some weeks ago because Arcueid's route was way too boring and now I'm unmotivated. I'll give it some time.
>>33538701
B-but the snail was kino, it was an example of how the littlest of things can have a huge impact on its surroundings, you can't just take it too literally. At first I didn't like Carlos, he looked like too much like a jock, but after playing he became my favorite ZTD character. And the complex motives are justified.
>>33538705
But he didn't retcon anything, right? The only ones I see complaining of retcons are higuonlys who dont like the ideia of gameboards and brain in jars.
>>33538697
Well, Rika's motivations are justified, I agree that Satoko's actions are extreme. But there must be something else right? Without love it cannot be seen, so I think there's something more.
>>33538748
Yes, i agree. But the WTC series is already well constructed, so its complexity can be appreciated. How are the characters aside from Satoko butchered?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539989
>It was Rika, it has always been just Rika
That is the point. This is all wrong and Featherine is simply using her love (weakness) to exploit her even further. Though I don't know where she is going with this. Featherine tends to be actually neutral in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539989
What is wrong with you? Stop being so sardonic. This does not invalidate previous character development. People change and are molded by their situations.
Satoko still needed that male figure in her life, but managed without it thanks to the stability in her past-1983 family life.

The Nii-nii goodbye scene obviously was symbolic of Satoko abandoning her humanity. A rather poorly handled scene, I agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540066
its literally an archive of the entire /jp/. How am I suppose to dig out every interesting discussion, just open a random thread in hopes it had good discussion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539287
The characters remarked that Chloe's zombie VR was so incredibly realistic that it felt like real life. Did she pull the sensations from her own memories of outside the matrix? They were also implied to have roamed the Earth for hundreds of thousands of years because they are immortal and maggots won't even eat their flesh because the 8MS prevents it.

What are the chances Chloe was a zombie too before the matrix but she resisted the mental decline like Koshka apparently does? They said that she's resistant to drugs at some point, so maybe that means her brain is unaffected by the zombie 8MS as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540126
You're supposed to read everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540113
>How are the characters aside from Satoko butchered?
I think Rika going from like someone who does genuinely care about their best friend in the deepest possible manner who wanted to achieve a happy ending with all of them to like St. Lucia lady who does the absolute minimum to help her, while justified in a personal sense, does kind of fuck with Rika's character. And considering these two are literally the main characters of Gou you're basically two for two of the characters Gou desperately needed not to fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540062
I think it's a pretty solid series because of the main plot, but yeah some characters feel underwhelming. Can you give me some book recommendations for stories of that magnitude then? I would be really happy for broading my horizons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540157
WTF
okay give me a starting point, Im guessing the english version's release date which is Oct 3, 2019?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539287
Koshka looks suspiciously similar to zombie Yoko from Higanbana.

[Anonymous No.]

god i want miyaos morning wood in my mouth

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540246
only good post ITT

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Rika so sexy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540246
Miyao canonically has a small penis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33540177
I was just being dramatic, you have to find your own entry point into high fiction - anything recommended by a random person on the internet will probably be too impersonal and you won't be able to connect with it because you're not in the right place to experience it. start with authors you admire and look up what they said they were inspired by.

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>>33540274
Lies, he's hung. It was part of him being the ultimate gauntlet knight

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>>33539287
What if Higurashi was a virtual hell all along? Jestress and Seshat are pretty shitty people.

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>>33540331
The only thing that's hung is Miyao, when I tie a rope around his waist and hang him from the roof to make him my personal punching bag as his wails like a fag

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>>33540125
I suppose you could explain every inconsistency with ''People change and are molded by their situations''. Satoko was never this one note character, even in the arcs where she goes FULL NII-NII. I'm sorry if I sounded too aggressive before, I'm not trying to be sardonic, I'm just a bit disappointed with the direction Gou is in for some time now.

>>33540095
I hope so, anon.

>>33540123
My point is that it's not believable that Satoko had this one track mind that could be exploited like this to begin with. Not with her emotional dependence on Rika, at least. Satoshi literally went insane protecting her and Keiichi fought with Oryou and gathered the whole village to fight for her, but Ryukishi didn't think they were that relevant in a story with Satoko at the center.

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>>33540361
what the fuck Gunhild

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Imagine Satoko getting buttraped by Teppei and regretting that she started looping, wishing she could go back and study her arse off again!

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>>33540361
What the fuck.

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>>33540393
>Featherine throws Satoko into a 15 minute time loop in between the time Teppei starts raping her and when Teppei has finished with her and choked her to death
>she has to live these 15 minutes over and over again, forever

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>>33539097
They still love each other but can't forgive what the other did. It's a love-hate relationship that turns into cosmic guro sex when they become Lambda and Bern.

Reminds me of a couple of best bros from RGD.

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>No, I will not take a couple hours out of the day to study for that exam
>Yes, I will spend the next 100 years reliving your past events and go through counties loops to prevent you from going to St. Lucia's
This is some advanced autism.

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>>33539231
Satoko only wanted to disembowel Rika to make herself feel better about all the failed loops and the mess she got herself into. She had no idea Rika could suddenly remember every single moment before her death.

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The four nations in Ciconia, their flag colors and the disasters associated with them represent the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

Seshat is the whore of babylon.

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>>33540485
>The four nations in Ciconia, their flag colors and the disasters associated with them represent the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
elaborate

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>>33540485
why does the babylonian look egyptian

[Anonymous No.]

I liked the episode
Nice callback to the original in the fragments
Satoko is a cute yandere lesbian

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>>33539157
So Battler's endless 999 is just him wearing the AURYN given to him by the Cuterori Empress?

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>>33540516
racism prease undrestan

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>>33540485
What's LATO then?

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>>33540519
I don't know I am not a clever man.

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>>33537192
Friendship ended with Satoko, now Featherine is my new best friend. No wonder Battler left Beatrice for her, she's the perfect woman!

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>>33540462
KEK

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>>33537765
>massive websites filled with the actual fanbase don't matter because the real fans (like 1% of total consumption and revenue) are the ones that matter

Satoko-tier brainlet

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>>33537227
>>33537192
I can finally see the Hanyuu in her. Maybe she wasn't retarded, she just liked to watch. I bet that bitch was clapping and cheering in the background as everyone got butchered each time.

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How does Koshka see?

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>>33540577
Hanyuu didn't actually ever exist. Rika has DID. She unconsciously did all the magic.

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>>33540519
Yes. It's hidden in his pocket, that's why he keeps his hand there so it doesn't fall out.

This is why nobody is allowed to harm him with magic. This is why he's obsessed with finding the original Beatrice like Bastian wanted to find the Empress. Neither of them will meet her again. This is why he becomes a dictator in the process and acts like an asshole to the new Beatrice. He's like Bastian without a sick ass turban.

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Satoko's roribrain in 83 is filled to the brim with HS parasites. Meeting a creepy fucking god that gives you the power to loop would drive anyone insane, especially if their physical body has paranoia parasites fucking with their mind.

You cannot blame Satoko for her actions.

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>>33539799
The 8MS can't regenerate organs or body parts, that's why they had to skin the zombies alive and cut off their bodies in a factory. Any cuts or wounds are healed instantly unless you rip the whole organ or limb off.

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>>33540365
You're still being passive aggressive. I'm not trying to explain "every inconsistency" with something that I believe is appropriate for Satoko's life in particular. Also, what inconsistency?
Anyhow, I'd say that "people change and are molded by their situations" always applied to Satoko more than any other Higurashi character. You can easily see how the traumatic turns of her childhood changed and shaped her to that summer 1983 Satoko we mostly know.

I can understand the writer's intent behind Satoko's latest familial bond. To me, it feels a natural development arising from her environment. But Gou represents that (plus almost everything else) poorly, I think we agree on that.
How Satoko formed close bonds with Rika, how Rika betrayed her trust in St.Lucia, how she accepted to become a looper, how Satoko's solo loops failed, how Satoko turned into a witch... All of these and many other parts could have been done better on screen, but I can understand the writer's intent behind them. I think Gou is pretty much a mediocre anime in terms of how well these things are handled. We're just extra critical because it's very important to us.

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>>33540090
All roris are speedreaders. They have no attention span.

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So here's something I don't get.
Vier and her lab along with the Three Kings are meant to be bringing about the End of the World, right? But Toujirou, Seshat and the Jestress are working against it. But in order to work against the Three Kings they bring up the Book of Revelation, which has been deemed non-canon and they've tried to wipe it out from history. Shouldn't the opposite be true? Why would the people who want to end the world according to the prophecy of the Book of Revelation want to hide the Book which holds up the end of the world as something noble done by God?

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How is Satoko gonna confront Rika about her bad actions if she keeps insisting that she wouldn't treat Satoko like that?

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While overall I'd rate the episode 34/100, but it does give some interesting fanfic possibilities. All those seemingly out of the blue post-Matsuri Satoko suicide fragments are ripe for exploration, especially the one where Rika might have accidentally drowned Satoko/think she did. And the possible future fragments after Satoko shoots Rika in the classroom of the two of them jumping out of bed at 6AM and murdering each other every five minutes in their house until they both go totally nuts. Bonus points for Satoko's yandere rape dungeon fragments, or Featherine's lazy movie nights watching this bullshit for a hundred years.

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>>33540656
>Meeting a creepy fucking god that gives you the power to loop would drive anyone insane
ahh noo is that a tall cute attractive motherly woman who has given me the opportunity to undo the mistakes of my past nooo featherine don't just snatch me up and have sex with me that'd be awful nooo

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>>33540702

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>>33540691
>But Toujirou, Seshat and the Jestress are working against it
No? They too are planning to end everything, though they're end goals might be different.

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gou fucking sucks lmao

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>>33539522
You can become true friends with someone if they are in a bad place and you help them out. Scheming to cause their misery in the first place is not immoral and doesn't make you a bad friend, because the same thing could've happened randomly without you doing it. It's possible.

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>>33540721
Wait what? I may have completely fucking speed-read the final Data Fragment but don't they speak about avoiding the prophecy found in the Saint Ioánnis and trying to stop them?

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Reminder that Satoko didn't even masturbate during her loops because she knows Featherine is watching. If she started looping without explanation she would do all sorts of crazy shit and even strip naked in public.

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>>33540710
Lilja's sprite was a mistake

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>>33539394
She knew the password and probably killed the staff with a stolen gun.

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>>33540729
>Scheming to cause their misery in the first place is not immoral and doesn't make you a bad friend, because the same thing could've happened randomly without you doing it.
What kind of fucking retarded logic is this? If I scheme to hit you with my car it's not immoral because you could have been hit by a car anyway?

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>>33540742
You're a mistake

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>>33540729
Looper Satoko, get off the internet.

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>>33540742
A gift, you mean

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>>33540737
Rika did with Hanyuu watching. Satoko is just not based enough.

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>>33539509
A literal 11 year old not changing at all 5 years later would be an even worse simplification of her character. She's not defined as a person by her childish attachment to a brother figure.

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>>33540712
>Remember the Stilts and Unicycle practice fragment Rika?
>Even after 100 years you never mastered them, you'll never be able to join the circus!
>Rika's look of total bafflement
I think the timeline is diverging, I don't remember Pagliaci-hen.

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>>33540742
Oh?

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>>33540691
>Why would the people who want to end the world according to the prophecy of the Book of Revelation want to hide the Book

Miyao's prophecy is probably written in that book so it's fair to assume that he is that 3rd party. He's real identity is still pretty much unknown though

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>>33539542
Featherine will regret not spending every waking moment preserving fragments in her library. There are witches out there that love to destroy their own gameboards.

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>>33540777
I want to sniff it

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>>33540777
I want to fuck it

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>>33539659
I know it's just options, but having that ugly shit within the game feels wrong somehow.

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>>33540777
If I was Satoko and I saw that I'd get off my unicycle and rape her right then and there

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>>33540794
Every time you make another post about Witches needing to preserve their fragments I harass yet another Witch out of the Senate and force them to delete their kakeras from the metaverse.

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>>33540777
Clown world.
Always was, always has been.

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>>33540681
Fair enough. Maybe if the same core idea was handled better I wouldn't mind. Exploring her relationship with K1 and feelings for Satoshi a bit more and showing us why her emotional dependence with Rika turned out stronger in this particular sequence of events could have sold me better on the idea of yandere looper Satoko.

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>>33540804
Especially when they inferior replacement art is activated by default every time you start a new arc and you have to manually switch to the original art every time. It feels wrong. Fuck the steam version of Umineko.

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>>33540777
I wonder, did R07 write it like that? Stilts and unicycles? Seems kinda random but then again what do I know about rural 80s japanese school PE?
At least the anime had stilt walking earlier, in the onigokko scene, so that didn't come out of totally nowhere.

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>>33540735
From my understanding is that they're planning to prevent the 'prophesized' deaths that is written in the book. That is their enemy it seems. Doesn't mean that they'll not be annihilating the humanity themselves if they know that humanity will be wiped out regardless.

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>>33540818
>activated by default every time you start a new arc
never had that issue.

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>>33540808
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

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>>33540823
what's the difference between wiping out the earth according to prophecy and wiping out the earth just normally

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>>33539652
Have you seen their preferred art style and the avatars they make for themselves? Their perception of the world is truly twisted and they romanticize ugliness and manfaces. They actively make things look ugly on purpose to delude themselves into redefining what beauty is because they cannot stand being ugly trannies.

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The things I would do to this cat

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>>33540771
The problem is not that she changed, the problem is that we were given not explanation as to why her feelings toward Satoshi faded away and her strong bond to K1 is basically non-existent now.

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>>33539655
Maybe she learned that Featherine was behind everything at some point between that letter and EP6.

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>>33540838
The three kings planned to have a couple of survivors to reboot the era. Meanwhile, the prophesized deaths are planning to erase all of humanity.

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>>33540843
Like a hug and a kiss and a bowl full of mush?

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>>33539671
Why is Naima so cute? I still wouldn't date her because schizos are freaks. They are only good for defending the walls of peace and being sent to a mental institution in peacetime.

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>>33539671
Why does it look like she has a second pair of hands rubbing her cunny?

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>>33540868
Yes. And cuddles, and loving sex

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>Satoko used the promise of sex to lure Keiichi away in order to kill him
How lewd. Satoko really has no shame.

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>>33540884
It's just her thighs, but fuck I can't unsee that now

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>>33540864
I thought the Three Kings were planning to act according to the prophecy? Also, doesn't the end of the world in Revelation speak about the faithful of humanity surviving?

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>>33539735
That wasn't anything magical. Takano was never a bad person. She always had more or less equal chances of going forwards with her plan or giving up. We see her debating what do do in her monologues before the festival in Matsuribayashi.

Lambda didn't influence anyone's mind, she just made it so Rika and Hanyuu could only loop into worlds where Takano goes through with her plan and doesn't chicken out at the last second (which is not as unlikely as it seems).

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>>33539704
Featherine said that in Episode 21.

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>>33540691
Seshat doesn't mind the 3 Kings plan as long as it doesn't kill 100% of humanity, so she's doing nothing against them.
Toujirou is unknown, no one knows what he wants, but like Seshat, he wants to save some people from the end of the world.
Jestress' plan probably requires that the 3 Kings plan goes right to summon "them" whatever they are.
Vier is the only enemy of the Kings that we know is really an enemy because she actually did something against them (capturing their spy). If Vier is from the Order of the Holy Ark she's also Seshat's enemy. Thinking about it, maybe the one executing the Revelations' prophecy is Vier, and the Kings are just irrelevant/pawns.

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>>33540824
he probably did it like that to show further that Satoko is a retard who needs to study

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>>33539784
Naomi is a lobotomized broken woman who had her alt personality removed and Stan is a three kings mole

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>>33540928
Maybe she is trying to make her remember. Causing a hellish experience. Thing is that Satoko is causing this experience herself and Featherine is just giving her the powers she asks. It's like Featherine is being guided by Lambdadelta into her resurrection and needs this experience to trigger it.
Reminds me of that "stop thinking and ceasing to exist". She needs to start thinking like Lambdadelta to come back to life. And this is not about being a lesbian for Bern its about Lambdadelta modus operandi.

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Isn't Vier supposedly dead throughout the entire first phase?

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>>33539721
Retro casuality would mean Satoko becomes Lambda for the first time in Gou after she and Rika survived Takano's plan set up by Lambda and went to St. Lucia. It would mean Satoko is the origin of Lambdadelta while Lambdadelta already exists and caused that situation in the first place.

This idea that Lambda created herself makes no sense because Featherine clearly said Satoko has always been Lambda. She's not talking about retro-casuality at all, she's saying Satoko was always Lambda and Gou isn't her origin story.

>>33539157
The loop in this image seems to be what you are referring to. But this is contradicted by Featherine. She didn't say Lambda caused her own creation, she said Lambda is a brain in a jar that got stuck as Satoko and a bunch of other people before her, and now she's waking up from a matrix within the matrix to regain her old memories.

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>>33540965
I mean, the point is obvious. It shows that Satoko is good at physical activities, has excellent motor skills, etc. Unlike Rika. But did it have to be stilts and unicycles of all things?

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>>33541013
because if Rika worked hard enough she could have done it as well
thats all the meaning in it

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>>33541013
>Satoko is good at balancing
>balancing

Lambdakeks?

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>>33540777
Why did Rika spread her legs so wide and raise her forward back like that?

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>>33541029
Reminds me of when Ougi was depicted to be really good at cycling.

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>>33541030
It's a reflex by now. A skill acquired over many loops.

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>>33540913
Plus, Takano could be having flashbacks from other worlds like the rest of the cast.

She could be remembering her future with Tomitake in Matsuribayashi and that they had a child or whatever. These memories of a hypothetical reality would feel very possible to her now that another version of herself experienced it, making her more likely to give up because she suddenly can't stand the idea of murdering her would-be husband.

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>>33541002
>Retro casuality would mean Satoko becomes Lambda for the first time in Gou after she and Rika survived Takano's plan set up by Lambda and went to St. Lucia. It would mean Satoko is the origin of Lambdadelta while Lambdadelta already exists and caused that situation in the first place.
So you agree with me?

>This idea that Lambda created herself makes no sense because Featherine clearly said Satoko has always been Lambda. She's not talking about retro-casuality at all, she's saying Satoko was always Lambda and Gou isn't her origin story.
Do you disagree? You make no sense and I never said Featherine was saying it was retro causality its what us interpret to be retro causality when watching all of this.

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Seriously, what the fuck is his problem?

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>>33541030
Mii... I fell off the unicycle again, help me Satoko! My legs and hips are so sore, could you massage them for me nano desu?

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>>33541059
He loves his son(daughter) and will do anything for him

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>>33539888
>merge into Lambdadelta
It's the other way around. Lambdadelta is split into Satoko and Takano. They are the schizo personalities of Jestress' brain in a jar, who is Vier's clone.

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>>33541050
Nah. I don't think Takano retains her memory in every Gou timeline. In fact, we've seen that Satoko goes way back from the Matsuri timeline, so this could only mean that Satoko triggered something that made Takano that way.

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>>33539935
I wouldn't torture her, but I would manipulate the events until she likes me.

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>>33540029
Lion is a magic character that represents a "miracle" version of Yasu, that's why his/her world is literally full of magic bullshit, golden roses and stuff like that. Hell, Will can interact with the family despite being a non-existent meta man.

The "real" Lion never existed in any fragment, but he would definitely be a relatively normal dude. Magic Lion looks androgynous as fuck because it's more comfortable for Yasu to imagine. Lion's entire philosophy about gender and shit is something that s/he came up with at some point in his/her life, but that life was conjured up by Yasu's imagination anyway.

Lion can be whatever gender you want, that's the whole point of the character. They are a fantasy character just like the others.

George also has no reason to stop being a fedora tier cunt because he explicitly said that his love for Shannon and jealousy of Battler's loli waifu is what made him change into the man he's now. Dating Shannon also changed him (he says this several times in conversations with Shannon and Evatrice), which can't happen in this world. The George in Lion's world is an impossibility, because it's based on the real George. Sayo has no idea of the impact she made on him, so he's the same George here despite her absence.

Lion's golden hair, voice, androgynous appearance, perfect life and opinions about gender are also an idealization imagined by Yasu, not a real depiction of what "Lion" would've been like without the accident. In reality he would've been a normal male.

The world itself is clearly full of actual magic, golden roses, a meta dude walking around, Shannon and Kanon coexisting with Lion, people remembering the seating order from a different world, etc. And is made up of pieces of different fragments. It's not a proper parallel world, but rather a fantasy. A wishful dream.

The way the world ends according to Bernkastel makes no sense because there's nobody in the underground room to tell Kyrie about the bomb or hand her a 1 billion yen card, which is necessary to make her decide to complete the massacre.

The reason Bern can make Lion's world end like that is because she previously showed them the truth of the catbox (EP7 Tea Party). By exposing that, and by the very nature of the catbox itself, it's guaranteed that Lion's world cannot end well. Not because it makes sense for things to go wrong there, but because his world is an illusion, equivalent to one of Beato's depictions of magic. The world is forced to end in tragedy regardless of logic because the island exploded IRL. Even this fantasy world can't escape the catbox.

And the reason Lion is allowed to escape with Will by simply "not acknowledging that he's been shot" is because his world is a fantasy. Fantasy doesn't have to be restricted by reality, mystery rules, red truth, or the beginning and end of the catbox. That's why Lion can survive and reject Berns bullshit.

Bern is also lying when she says that out of all the fragments Lion only exists in one and is killed by Kyrie. If this were a proper world, ignoring the obvious magic bullshit and inconsistencies, there would be endless alternate versions of it where events happen differently. How can she claim that Lion only exists in this one fragment? How come there are no worlds where Lion exists and nothing happens? It's because Lion isn't a thing. Or at least this idealized Lion, in this fantasy world. Everything about him and his world is fantasy. Not only did it not happen IRL, but in fact this Lion isn't even how the real person would've turned out. He's an idealization by Yasu. He's fantasy by his very nature, and so is his world. That's why Bernkastel can so easily deny his existence in the entire sea of fragments. He's just not a thing. The EP7 world is an illusion. Lion is no different from the seven stakes. But because of that, he doesn't have to listen Bern or be constrained by reality or the truth.

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>>33541100
And before some idiot misreads my post, I'm not saying Yasu isn't male. I'm just saying that Lion is a fantasy character built for the sole purpose of being whatever gender you want, since he's magic character.

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>>33541079
>In fact, we've seen that Satoko goes way back from the Matsuri timeline
Meaning? All of Gou's timeline is pretty much an altered Matsuribayashi that Satoko made going back from June 10th? That seems really tiring mind breaking Takano each time. lol

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>>33541077
You can see it as that. However I still believe in Witches being supernatural and the engrams in Ciconia.

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>>33541100
Also, it makes sense that Bern would choose an ideal world imagined by Yasu as the stage for her own game. She wants to destroy it and fuck it up, shitting all over Beatrice's happy dream.

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>>33541140
>All of Gou's timeline is pretty much an altered Matsuribayashi
In face value that should be it but there's some irregularities from their classroom being on 2nd floor to the statue of Oyashiro-sama being reversed and not broken.

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>>33540962
>Thinking about it, maybe the one executing the Revelations' prophecy is Vier, and the Kings are just irrelevant/pawns
I was thinking about that, Vier seems to be the best (but also honestly, pretty loose) fit for that. Vier's lab with Comrade Mario is the one that actually ends the world by fucking up 8MS. Fits in with the whole Revelation theme as well with like
Vier = John of Patmos
Vier's lab = Patmos
Wisdom fragments = God's knowledge
then maybe God can be the voice from the meat lab that says 'child of man' and Heaven is the simulation that the spinal cord and brains are going into that's free of human suffering?

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>>33540126
>open a random thread
Dude, just type Miyao in the search bar or something. Look up key words together.

For example, "meow" "traitor" "toujirou", or "Rethabile" "africa" "naked". Those words together are easy to figure out and they bring you to interesting posts that have whole threads around them discussing the same stuff.

Want to look up the theory that Ange's bullying and stripping is confirmed in EP8? Just look up "schoolgirl" "goats" "ange". Want to look up other theories? Just think of the key words. "Keiichi", "eyepatch", "shot". Or "Satoko" "molested" "tatarigoroshi".

Use your brain in a jar, anon.

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>>33541188
I still think the God's voice is the meta Miyao that we're seeing. Also, how about Jayden in that last bit? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541059
All is in the name of guiding humanity down the right path

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>>33541100
Not him, but interesting post there.
Umineko was never about parallel universes, ''fragments'', right? They suggest that's the case with Bern talking about the sea of fragments, but that's all fiction (including Bern herself). All there is are different tales to fill in the empty catbox, right? So it makes sense that the world of Lion has to be a tale, not a real fragment (specially with all the inconsistencies you mentioned). There would also be no reason for Lion to have that complex about his sexuality in a world where there accident never happened, it was obviously something that was taken from Yasu.

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>>33541100
Don't care if this is headcanon, gonna copy and paste all of this and pretend it's my own opinion on the subject so people think I understood Umineko

[Anonymous No.]

Satoko's character isn't butchered. You never know what someone is capable of if they get looping powers.

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I've been thinking, could there be a route to a good end hidden somewhere in the Gou mess?

The popular opinion here seems to be something like matsuri-1 Rika going back to Hinamizawa and running to rescue that Satoko from the clutches of obashiro in the saiguden. Then returning to Angel Mort where Shion is waiting with Satoshi.

But honestly, that is not a good end for Satoko. Even if Rika comes around, apologizes and changes her behavior, Satoko is still stuck in that special ed school hell and already depressed as fuck.
And that end totally sidesteps what happens to the loopers. Are they just going to somehow transfer into that point and reconcile? Become witches trapped in their own games, while we watch matsuri-1 Rika and normal Satoko get their happy end?

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>>33540274
He canonically has a hairy 16yo pussy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541244
I didn't read that post but I do support you even if its headcanon. This is what we learn in Umineko.
Godspeed.

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>>33541100
The whole thing about Lion's gender confusion makes me wonder if Yasu came up with him around the time they came up with Kanon. If Kanon's their perception of 'if I'd been acting like a boy, I would be this', Lion might be 'if I had been raised as a boy correctly, I'd have been this'. Lion's their perfect version of a male Yasu, much like Beatrice is the perfect version of a female Yasu.
It would make Lion feel a little more fitting to be in EP8, as a mirror of Beatrice's perfect female Yasu. Plus, it would remove the more obvious pieces of evidence suggesting Yasu is male from play, making it actually ambiguous again (if you ignore the whole 'man from 19 years ago' thing, anyway), since of course it would all point to male if Lion was intended to be male in her head.
It'd explain a few of the weird bits about Lion too, like the fact apparently his gender complex comes from other people being confused about it, despite the fact literally only his voice and context could make you think he was a girl. If Yasu simply projected their insecurities onto Lion, that sort of thing would make a lot more sense.

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>>33540393
>>33540429
Why didn't this happen? It was perfect.

[Anonymous No.]

satoko is canonically flowey

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>>33540512
There was a whole doc document posted in one of these threads like a year ago, look it up on warosu.

It says "trans rights" at the very end so it kinda ruins the doc, though.

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>>33541232
That'd make sense, also solidifies a connection between Meta Miyao with his weird blue body as 'God' and the blue naked women that appear in Vier's lab, and Jayden who literally appears as a blue angel at the end. I don't really have like a solid cohesive theory I'm just throwing shit together.

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>>33541245
You just have to use your brain and think about it yourself. Maybe you are just a brainlet human after all and not worth of having a mind of a Witch. Actually you don't deserve a title at all.

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>>33541290
>There was a whole doc document posted in one of these threads like a year ago, look it up on warosu.
you gotta give me more than that to work with anon

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>>33540691
>the Book of Revelation, which has been deemed non-canon and they've tried to wipe it out from history
The way they said this made it sound like they literally erased the book from existence within the matrix but it existed IRL before the matrix. They don't want anyone to figure out that WW4 is going according to the bible.

[Anonymous No.]

I posted this back after EP. 5 aired but everyone seemed to ignore it so I thought I'd bring it up again.
What is this supposed to mean?

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>>33540691
Every single person in each other is a quadruple agent for every other order. Not a single one of these cultists is loyal to any of the orders, and they belong to all of them secretly.

It's like when nobody could defend Satoko in pubic for fear of making people mad even though not a single person hated her.

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[Anonymous No.]

Vier is confirmed to be an autistic savant that finds the lab comfy because all these autistic scientists are free to run around and flap their hands like spergs at every new discovery without having to hide their power level.

The Ciconia lab is the comfiest place in all of WTC.

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>>33541335
Furude shrine.

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>>33541335
Furude Shrine

[Anonymous No.]

It's a wrap

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>>33541335
Furude Shrine

[Anonymous No.]

>read Umineko
>think it cool
>decide to read And Then There Were None
>guess the culprit because of Umineko
am i da real deetektive now

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>>33540708
This is what created Bern and Lambda. Now that Rika can remember her deaths, they will be going at it, killing each other in loops that last 5 minutes until they both go nuts and develop a guro fetish.

Bonus points if Rika wakes up in a fragment with Satoko's pathetic human arse on her face and she's suffocated with it.

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>>33541331
>the Book of Revelation, which has been deemed non-canon
>therefore Ciconia is non-canon
Ciconia bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541335
>>33541383
>>33541363
>>33541361
Nope, it's definitely not 古手神社

[Anonymous No.]

>Hanyuu literally had a mental disability because her horn was damaged
>now that she's cured and is no longer clinically retarded Rika hates her
Does Rika only want to befriend actual retards and mentally ill lesbos?

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>>33541385
>WTC
>figure out any other media mysteries very easy
Feels good being a 07th chad.

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>>33541398
社神古手

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>>33541398
Japanese is written right to left you disgusting westerner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541398
Anon, you know that Japanese used to been written from the right to the left right?

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>>33541385
you did it wrong you were supposed to
>read And Then There Were None
>read episode 1 of umineko and immediately suspect kanon because hes suspicious as fuck
>read episode 2 and target shannon for the sole reason because of her death
Then you piece it together and spoil it for everyone before 3 comes out.

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>>33541398
It's mirrored. Well, not mirrored, but backwards.
社神手古

[Anonymous No.]

I just thought of something interesting. You know how most people interpret Higurashi to be a story inside of Umineko? But what if it's possible to invert the positions in the Venn Diagram and say that Umineko happens inside Higurashi?

The most common, orthodox interpretation goes like this: Umineko is the ''real world'', where literal magic does not exist and there are no parallel worlds (fragments). Higurashi is just a story made by some author, probably a book. But what if Higurashi is the one on a higher plane? That would mean parallel worlds and magic exist in the literal sense (sea of fragments, Hanyuu etc), and the world of Umineko is just one particular fragment in which magic does not exist (or isn't common). All of the tales in Umineko are fictional stories inside a single fragment of reality, but that doesn't mean there are no other fragments out there.

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>>33540753
Yes. As long as I create a situation where you are hurt and I help you out to become your friend, it's not immoral if the situation could've technically happened without my influence. Like tying your shoelaces together so you fall down the stairs. You could've fallen for any other reason. The result is the same, you'll become my friend because I saved you from death and took you to a hospital, and you have no idea I did it.

I'm just pushing fate in the direction I desire, I'm not doing anything that couldn't have happened randomly.

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I just want Satoko and Rika to ridicule my pathetic existence

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>>33540737
Poor Satoko. Imagine that.

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>>33541399
rika is a lolicon and her prime cunny target grew older and now rika no longer likes her

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>>33541100
Yasu is androgynous looking to begin with. That's why s/he's able to masquerade as both Shannon and Kanon. It's not unreasonable to think that this alternate version is self-concious of that.

I can't remember, but I don't know if it ever says the massacre happens in that world. It only shows Lion being killed by Kyrie, which is still plausible considering they all needed money and weren't happy with him being the successor.

This isn't the only fragment Lion exists in. It's the only fragment Lion exists in that Bern could find after searching through 2.5 million of them (giving Lion about a 0.0000004 chance of existing in any fragment). The number of fragments should be near endless - but it's likely not that easy to actually search through them.

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>>33541425
Mii..mii
Mirror worlds????

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>>33540870
Naima is a broken tool.

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>>33540884
That's why she's making that face.

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>>33540913
>>33541050
This. Why is everyone being so retarded about it?

[Anonymous No.]

What's the consensus on Gannet?

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>>33541440
I'm either completely misunderstanding this or this is completely retarded under literally any moral system not developed by complete retards, either doing an immoral action or by doing an action that results in harm is wrong.

>it's not immoral if the situation could've technically happened without my influence
So if you come across a child in the street, and you see a group of people approaching who you think/know are dangerous, and then you just decide to fucking rape and mutilate them. Would you say that this isn't an immoral action because those other dangerous people might have done it anyway?

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>>33540991
>She needs to start thinking like Lambdadelta to come back to life
Exactly. Satoko is basically Lambdadelta's dream self (except it's a matrix). Your dream self lacks logic and common sense and doesn't quite remember the real world. Satoko is similar in that she has forgotten all about her non-human life and needs a trigger to "lucid dream" and start pulling the strings towards her own resurrection and wake up.

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>>33541385
>And Then There Were None
That's not what the book is called

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>>33540978
Naomi and Naima are the same person. I refuse to explain.

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>>33541531
Her group is definitely the most irrelevant one, but I do like her and the tired bitch

[Anonymous No.]

if you gave hanyuu drugs
would rika also feel it?

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>>33541538
Yes anon very ebin we all know it was called Ten Little Niggers har har har

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>>33541013
>It shows that Satoko is good at physical activities
She should learn from Teppei's gf and become a prostitute if she doesn't want to study like a decent person.

Imagine Rika graduating St. Lucia and entering high society while brainlet Satoko that hates studying is stuck as a cheap teenage prostitute in a street corner.

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>>33541567
hahaha he said the niggard word

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>>33541564
Forcing Rika to OD on Heroine!

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>>33541572
Trashy makeup wearing Satoko..

[Anonymous No.]

I just started Ciconia
How do I get a Jestress gf bros?
She's perfect

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>>33541564
hanyu feels it when rika drinks and fucks herself so yes

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>>33541556
Yeah I wonder how the reset is going to work on this one
There's no way they'd just kill off all of the main gauntlet knights in phase 1

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>>33541079
I never said she retains her memory, dude. She could have flashbacks like Keiichi and the others had in the original Higurashi. The fact that Takano experienced a happy life with Tomitake after Matsuribayashi would make her more likely to give up, especially when she was already on the fence the whole time. We only saw the worlds where she goes through with it because Lambda manipulated the odds so Rika couldn't find any world where she gives up.

It's like how Shion became good to Satoko after her Meakashi fuck up. Takano would be less willing to murder Tomitake if another version of herself experienced all that, especially if she also faced legal consequences of her coup attempt. Saving Tomitake and surrendering before doing anything makes perfect sense if she's having strange dreams about all that.

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>>33541531
Will probably have some actual character development in one of the later phases, along with the rest of her kette along with the other shitskin one

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>>33541564
if you gave rika or hanyuu a blood transfusion
would one of them fucking die from blood rejection
or has it been confirmed that both of them have the same blood type

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>>33541551
Naomi is Jestress
seriously, their faces are extremely similar.

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>>33541614
>She could have flashbacks like Keiichi and the others had in the original Higurashi
That's what I'm talking about. The memory flash backs are all random, and from what we've seen in Gou, it still is. So it's impossible for Takano to be having those in all timeline. Dude.

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>>33541621
this is like asking "what do they eat?" for fantasy setting cities
or asking for the tax policy of the demon lord in an anime

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that these two are actually pill poppers and the "candy" are actually different antidepressants and other meds.

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>>33541100
This means Jessica really wouldn't be the same as usual in a realistic Lion world. The Jessica in EP7 is pulled from the real world without Sayo accounting for how the family dynamic would change her, just like with George. Sayo is someone that wants to kill herself, so it makes sense that she doesn't realize how much impact her existence has on everyone.

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>>33541422
>Umineko has to be solved by guessing
The absolute state of umitrannies

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>>33541614
>all timeline
In all of Gou's timeline I mean. If that's not clear enough for you. So it's just natural for Satoko, the one who knows the whole rule of Hinamizawa to be the one doing something to Takano to change her perspective in that short amount of time.

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Since it's canon that Rika frequently masturbates what does she use to do it? Does she just use her hands or something else? Can she hear Hanyuu's moaning while it happens, does she think about her at all? What does she think about when doing it for that matter? Does she do it in the same cabin with Satoko sleeping right beside her, or does she sneak off outside to do it in the night? Or is it something she can get away with doing while at school in the bathrooms or pretending to play with something like a gym climbing rope and feeling it between her legs as she climbs?
This is important

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>>33541536
Always have been thinking about this witch thing being related to the idea of the Higher Self.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541643
well?
what's hinamizawa's tax policy?

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>>33541646

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>>33541100
Magic Lion makes Femlion possible, and she's the hottest girl in Umineko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541172
Why is Bern such a cunt? All Beato did is win a game.

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>>33541664
No one has ever solved Umineko, anon. It's an infinite monkey type of situation: an army of autists on forums spammed countless hypothesis and one of them had to stick. Unfortunately it was one of the most unsatisfying, lame answers possible. Since the manga corroborates that interpretation, its seen as 'canon', but going exclusively by the VN, several different, incompatible theories can be considered ''valid'', thus making the goal of definitely ''solving the VN'' an impossible task. That's was true when it was completed, and even more so at the earlier stages, so those retards saying ''I've solved the VN before the fourth text line in chapter one'' are just memeing on you and looking to get their ego stroked.

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>>33541646
We already know that Bern and Lambda are obnoxious drainers.

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>>33541292
The blue bodies are artificial 8MS contructs where you are supposed to put the disembodied head. Blue Jayden at the end escaped the matrix and is roaming space in one of those blue bodies. The red moon is a actually Earth after several thousand years of natural disasters, as implied here >>33540142

Toujirou is trying to cause wars and fuck up the virtual world so he can trick the AI overlords into transplanting his real life brain to one of those bodies so he can manipulate the matrix from outside.

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>>33541730
Bern didn't like the idea of denying certain truths and falling into delusions. Since she had to play the villain in Umineko she did her job.

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>>33541664
>he was too low iq to pick up on Kanon being the culprit in the first episode and calls it guessing
>he was too low iq to follow that up with connecting why kanon along with shannon were always connected
ngmi

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>>33541770
I like this plot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541762
GOD I want her to stomp on my cock

[Anonymous No.]

I found a tranny/sjw-free discord where Japanese fans post. I'm not sure if it's truly as nice as it looks, but there are very few members and NONE of the usual suspects are in it. And it's pretty active.

I found these links in there:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FFhfR-p19aiYVBzyCDl802i6STcssknD/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gl7JYISiofKbF4S58p7kWbCeEKJZ2WEE/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cmkKGo5QKwx7uvwz-Y_4D5OOvZ9hv34Z/view

Ciconia sprites and backgrounds ripped from the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541667
It would be in Satoko's best interest to allow Takano to continue doing what she does, not to make her apologize to Rika or skip town with Tomitake.

[Anonymous No.]

Sniffing Miyao while your large presence backs him into a corner but he's too timid to resist it

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>>33541804
You're acting like extracting the files is some big accomplishment. The tools have been widely available for well over a decade.

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>>33541742
You sound like italianon

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>>33541818
Satoko hated Takano for obvious reasons. Haven't you seen Nekodamashi? Satoko's other goal is overthrowing the Yamainu and making Hinamizawa a safe haven for Rika and her to live in.

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>>33541664
Umineko is literally hinting at Beatrice-Shannon shit from episode 1 anon

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>>33541859
Her goal is to break Rika.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been with a few girls in my life and one thing I've noticed is that the female anus is incredibly close to the vagina, in fact they're barely an inch apart.

I'm not sure about other guys - but doesn't this disturb you? It feel like a design flaw in women actually -- like they're supposed to be so feminine and beautiful yet this ghastly little oversight is ruining everything.

Somehow it feels to me that girls should be more aware of this flaw and it should affect their confidence. Whenever I see a so-called beautiful girl walking down the street so care-free thinking she's all that I just remember her anus is only 1 inch away from her pussy and laugh her into oblivion.

Females: Please accept that they're too close together, let it negatively affect your confidence and so make yourselves more readily available sexually as a result. Afterall, we're having to sleep with a creature whos ANUS is only 1 inch away from the vagina --- you should not make this difficult. It's unappetizing enough as it is. We're doing you a favour.

Men: Do not let girls forget this flaw, and do not forgive them for it. Remind them of it constantly less they get inflated egos and think they're all that

They're just too close together, sorry, but its true.

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>>33541846
I'm not, I just think Shkanontrice is retarded and there was potential for a much better resolution, like Rosa-Rosa-Nanjo culprit theory or Natsuhitrice. Hell, even Jessicatrice is better...

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>>33541791

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>>33541824
I'm not a cute girl so I can't relate

[Anonymous No.]

I really want to have ___ with Rika...

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541870
You really do think up the oddest things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541877
*Rosa-George-Nanjo culprit theory

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>>33541846
Pastaman would say there is only one truth and would be his own theory.

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>>33541868
her goal is to make Rika surrender. Which sorta happened in Nekodamashi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541906
This is why we love humiliation-anon and his alter egos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541877
Why are those better in your opinion? I quite liked Yasu's character and motive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541870
>I've been with a few girls in my life
Stopped reading right there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541870
Miyao sent this email to Lingqi before he pounded Jayden's aresehole

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541881
Working out with Miyao and sniffing his sweat while your large body contrasts his slim and tender one

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541870
Doesn't that technically make boyholes perfect because there's no design flaw?

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>>33541920
Yeah by just redoing what Takano was already doing. If Rika knows Takano isn't the behind the murders then of course she will get suspicious even if she can't remember who actually killed her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33535708
manga chapter's up.
https://web-ace.jp/youngaceup/contents/1000147/episode/5143/

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541913
>>33541877
So you're an italianon supporter

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541964
once again different scenes from the anime, satoko has bruises and keiichi wants blood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541867
>chapter 1 HINTED AT IT
"Hinting" at something is not evidence of it.

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>>33541964
Until what chapter is the manga translated?

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>>33541928
I think using unreliable narration to justify the existence of a single person larping as different characters in the same place at the same time makes for a terribly unsatisfying explanation for the mysteries. It sounds more like a legal loophole and less like a well written story. Yes, it might technically be valid if the author really forces the story in that direction, but that doesn't mean it makes for a satisfying read. Any other explanation that do not rely on such a cheap trick, while also being consistent with the characters and themes are better to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541964
Why does the Gou manga feel like a series of snippets instead of an actual manga? It feels way too short in each arc for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541970
No I am that anon supporter since copypasta theory is definitely not the solution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33539001
The hell are you talking about? Is this you not willing to accept the fact that Higurashi is a gameboard like any other? Higurashi had a game master (Featherine) just like Rokkenjima according to Lambda, and EP6 shows that a game master has to deal with all the pieces in his game being nothing but robots. There's nothing that says Hinamizawa is somehow especial.

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>>33541981
teppei's so cool.

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>>33541970
Ewww, fuck no. He pushes his own headcannon that is just as bad as shkannontrice. I'm saying the VN is vague and open-ended enough to allow multiple interpretations, specially before Chiru.

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>>33542022
Higurashi wasn't a game taking place in a literal gameboard with meta entities arguing in a higher plane. All the references to Higurashi in Umineko are nothing more than metaphors using Umineko terminology, which is pretty obvious when you reread those scenes.

-Higurashi wasn't a gameboard like Umineko, it took place in actual fragments that were all equally real.

-There was no "game" between supernatural entities. It was just Lambda guaranteeing that Takano's efforts would be rewarded in all realities as long as she didn't lose her willpower or someone else had more willpower to oppose her.

-What they mean by "game" is that Hanyuu saved Rika and they tried to overturn the fate promised by Lambdadelta, indirectly challenging her without even knowing she's a thing. It's am indirect game between Hanyuu and Lambda's certainty, taking place across actual parallel universes.

-The "bad game master that caused a logic error and burdened her piece with it" is Hanyuu. Her decision to save Rika started a fight between her and Lambda's guaranteed fate.

-"She started the game herself but lost sight of her goal halfway through". This means she eventually abandoned the original goal of saving Rika, considering it hopeless, and kept telling her to give up and simply enjoy living eternally in june. The game lost its purpose and had no end in sight, because Hanyuu and Rika stopped trying to find a solution. This is what Lambda meant by "logic error". It was a game with no goal, existing for its own sake. It has nothing to do with the literal logic error of Umineko.

-"She left the thinking entirely to her piece". This is self-explanatory. Rika was the only one trying to solve shit and escape, while Hanyuu decided to be useless and told Rika to stop trying to find an exit to the maze.

Higurashi was game in metaphorical terms. But it wasn't a fictional reality created by a GM, it didn't involve truth battles, the opponents didn't even realize the other existed, and the logic error was simply a loss of interest by the person who started the whole thing, turning the game into an endless nightmare with no reason to exist.

If there is a real logic error, it will happen in Gou and it will be an error in the matrix. But if the talk in EP6 was referring to the original Higurashi, it was talking about Hanyuu and Rika's loops in metaphorical terms, not as some fictional gameboard.

[Anonymous No.]

the great lady bernkastel

[Anonymous No.]

>>33541988
I know, I'm saying that it's not just guessing shit and that all of the hints are established pretty early on.

[Anonymous No.]

>Before we entered cold sleep, we had our computers simulate how our former planet’s future would be. What we saw was something only seen in religious images, a scene like the world’s end. Rough waves. Wild, crazed clouds. Lightning split the heavens, and the sun burned and consumed the land. It was a world from an image of hell. With the Reconcilsphere completely destroyed, the sun’s rays directly shone on the land. It had become a world where with the naked eye you could observe a sun that would burn the retinas to look right at it. On the surface, it’d gotten to where after just a few hours, the sun’s direct radiation would cause unforgettable pain to the skin.
Huh, Haworthia got really real for a paragraph.

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>>33542073
Basically, what I'm saying is that it wasn't literally or officially any sort of game, only from the perspective of Rika, Hanyuu and Lambda (who learned about it afterwards if she really is stuck as Satoko the whole time).

A real gameboard would involve fake realities, pieces that can be written by the GM to act a certain way, rewinding time within the same fragment, and soulless pieces with no future beyond the end of the game. Higurashi was clearly shown to be a series of real parallel worlds that go on forever after Rika dies, not mere games. They are games for Rika because that's how she sees it, but they aren't really "games" at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542135
haworthia is only good for utopia

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542073
>If there is a real logic error, it will happen in Gou
I think the logic error already happened and it is the one you pointed out regarding Hanyuu.
What happens now is when the game master actually awakens to play the game, which is pretty much what Satoko is. She knows all the rules already and able to bend the outcome by her will first, something like rearranging the pieces before Rika makes her first move. Though Featherine is more like in Bern's position but reversed. She's on the game master side, while Erika is the player against Battler. Though I still believe that she's doing something to the fragments that Satoko fails to notice. (The statue and etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542140
This is all terminology. Umineko thought us terminology not forced some kind of canon connection between the novels. Just because someone calls a fragment a gameboard doesn't mean that some enter battler will ruin the story there. Gameboards have rules and a witch can't just piss on a board like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542073
>>33542140
It's similar to how Bern and Lambda (who are basically 5th dimensional disembodied consciousnesses) call themselves witches to fit in with the Umineko world. They aren't really witches at all, more like eldritch abominations.

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>>33542003
I dunno, I mean people being their experiences and personalities was kind of a theme that's hammered home again and again, and unreliable narration was pretty blatantly given to you in Episode 3 so I don't think it's that much of a cheap trick.

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>>33542073
There's absolutely nothing that says Higurashi isn't a game board and all of this is just desperate straw grasping.
>-Higurashi wasn't a gameboard like Umineko, it took place in actual fragments that were all equally real.
Umineko also took place in fragments, as shown by Bern literally mentioning fragments when talking about the one where Lion exists. Quit making shit up. Hell Umineko is MORE real than Higurashi which is just a book in Umineko, whereas the rokkenjima game board is based on real people that lived in Ikuko's world. Hell, he has a real Ushiromiya as her...partner.
>-There was no "game" between supernatural entities.
Yes there was, Bern constantly refers to it as a game where Lambda was her opponent, and she was.
> It was just Lambda guaranteeing that Takano's efforts would be rewarded
Also known as a witch giving powers to her miko, which also happens in Umineko, your point?
>is Hanyuu. Her decision to save Rika started a fight between her and Lambda's guaranteed fate.
The logic error and "losing sight of it halfway through" is implied happened because the game master lost her memories, which we know just so happened to Featherine and Lambda explicitly said the game master was Bernkastel's master. We know Featherine was Bern's master. Kotohogushi-hen is implied to be when this happened, where Featherine's piece was damaged by the Onigari no Ryou, which we know can affect people in the meta level as well.

>But it wasn't a fictional reality created by a GM
Lamda explicitly mentions a game master, Bern's master. Just because it didn't involve red truths and shit doesn't mean it wasn't a gameboard, it's constantly referred to as such throughout Umineko.

There's absolutely nothing that says Higurashi wasn't a game, we know there was a game master, we know there were mikos, we know there were witches, we know there were objectives, we know Bernkastel and Featherine were in it, we know logic errors were in it, we know Bernkastel was just a mere miko who ascended to witch status.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542140
So Higurashi worlds would be real like the two or three worlds where we see Ange dying, while the Rokkenjima catbox is a gameboard because it's fiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542146
Well it confirms the AI/Simulation craziness too, so there is that.
Hopefully the earth simulation ending is off, I don't want a "literally everyone dies" ending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542073
Saikoroshi has Hanyuu regret saving Rika and wondering if it would've been better to let her die back then instead of turning her into an emotionally detached looper disconnected from reality.

Hanyuu is the game master in the sense that she started the thing and set a goal for herself (saving Rika), which she then abandoned and gave up on but still wouldn't let Rika die. It's a hell for Rika created by Hanyuu.

It's not like she literally wrote reality as a creator or caused any of it to happen. She just rebelled against fate and put Rika through all that, unintentionally starting a war against Lambda because Rika's death was necessary for Lambda's human to succeed.

Hanyuu saving Rika is an insult and a challenge against Lambda's power.

[Anonymous No.]

satoko is bern
and rika is lambda
i refuse to explain

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542190
Yeah but wasn't the idea that only the ''detective'' in each chapter could see through and question the inconsistencies introduced pretty late in the VN? like chapter 5 or 6? Not to mention how arbitrary that is, even for a fictional tale written by some forger. Having Shannon and Kannon appear together in front of the whole family, and saying that's not inconsistent because only the detective's perspective is valid...that's absurd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542203
>Kotohogushi-hen
Not canon and not written by Ryukishi

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542275
Got me there, but it doesn't change that NotFeatherine appeared right as we saw Hanyuu's horn healing, and we know Featherine's memories were affected due to damage to her "horns" which are actually a memory storage device.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542310
That could have other explanations or even be mostly the same as that non-canon arc except with a few key things changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542185
>umineko autist still don't understand their own series
>they don't understand that tea parties is satire
>they don't understand that titles is satire
>they don't understand witch hierarchy is satire
>they don't understand that larping as super heroes or super villains is satire
>they don't understand no "witch" is evil or good
>they don't understand that nobody was actually killed or tortured each other in the meta literally
>they don't understand that all of this happened like this because basically Beatrice choose the theme for the clownshow
And finally:
>Because of this, they will never ever understand that they will never become a Witch

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>>33542271
>Yeah but wasn't the idea that only the ''detective'' in each chapter could see through and question the inconsistencies introduced pretty late in the VN?
That rule was already there since the very beginning. Though Battler never had the detective authority as strong as Erika, just the title and Beato respected that so that's why he was never a culprit/accomplice in the 4 games and he can't see Shannon and Kanon together in one room in all games. They introduced the detective authority because 5 and onwards was the answer arcs, so that's fitting.

>Not to mention how arbitrary that is, even for a fictional tale written by some forger.
That rule was established ever since ep 1 and 2, Yasu's message bottle mind you. All that Ikuko (and possibly Hachijo Battler) did was use that rule in their tales since they fully understand the structure.

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>>33542270
Very based.

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>>33542378
>one room in all games
I meant in all 4 games

[Anonymous No.]

Mion is Lambda and Shion is Bern.
I refuse to explain my theory any further.
Use your love to see through my words and you will understand.

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>>33542344
>That could have other explanations
Really dude? Just an amazingly perfect coincidence? Featherine even mentions the horn's damage being the reason Rika's power isn't perfect. Also, the fake Hanyuu that was said to be a sentient memory from the past, the one with the damaged horn which we saw was slowly healing, mentions that the real Hanyuu is out there somewhere and says she didn't even want her to meet Rika anymore, guess who? There's a very good goddamn reason Bern hates Featherine.

[Anonymous No.]

>ywn be a brain in a jar
Why live?

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>>33542378
The very concept of detective's authority was introduced in Chiru and it recontextualized the events in the first 4 chapters. Yasu's message bottle or Yukuko's forgeries, all of them were fictional tales and it doesn't invalidade my point that this rule/structure is completely arbitrary.

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>>33542310
Hanyu still exists as a separate being from NotFeatherine, we've seen her in episodes outside of the meta world. But I'm assuming this is just to keep logical continuity with Matsuribayashi. R07 has made it a little confusing though he'll probably work it out in Sotsu.

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>>33542409
Technically our bodies are the jars for our brains.

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>>33542421
>outside of the meta world
You mean the real Hanyuu in Matsuribayashi? That's kinda caused by Frederica's fusing fragments together, Hanyuu and Rika don't even question it. It doesn't really matter, that's just Hanyuu being a piece.

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>>33542409
Your jar is made of bone.

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>>33542420
But not absurd.

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>>33542409
As far as you know

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>>33542465
And not a satisfying explanation either, in my subjective point of view.

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>>33542445
Yeah, these scenes in particular. This one is from 21.

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>>33542271
>only the ''detective'' in each chapter could see through and question the inconsistencies introduced pretty late in the VN? like chapter 5 or 6?
I thought Battler was never the detective, only Erika was? Battler sees golden butterflies and magic all the time right

>Having Shannon and Kannon appear together in front of the whole family, and saying that's not inconsistent because only the detective's perspective is valid...that's absurd.
Absurd rules are kind of going to be established when it's a discussion about Magic vs Non-Magic.

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>>33542513
Who is the loli on the right?

[Anonymous No.]

sextoko

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542549
That's Rena. You feeling okay, anon?

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>>33542504
You know that the tale is full of illusion right? You crush one of those and you see what's really inside to connect the dots. For example in ep 1 when George was crying about Shannon and Kanon was also there. That whole scene is just an illusion. There was no scene that George cried and there were just 5 bodies in that store room.

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>>33542518
>Absurd rules are kind of going to be established when it's a discussion about Magic vs Non-Magic.
The problem is that the VN itself uses this unreliable narration trick on the reader, not on the character (Battler). We see scenes of Kanon, Shannon and other family members interacting, and at the time there is absolutely no reason to assume this ridiculously arbitrary and specific rule: only the POV of the ''detective'' (a position that will only be defined in Chiru) is objective (despite nothing about the tales being objective at all on the bigger picture). Makes zero sense.

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>>33542582
This is exactly the type of unreliable narration I'm calling a cheap trick, anon. I understand, I just don't like it.

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>>33542576
Hum... I dunno...

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>>33542518
Battler can never see the objective truth like Erika in the first 4 chapters, yes. Though it also seems like that the detective authority can't pinpoint Yasu either. So she sees Kanon and Shannon together. (her meta self that is) While her piece is seems like she's discussing with only 1 person when talking with Kanon and Shannon in ep 5.

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>>33542599
>The problem is that the VN itself uses this unreliable narration trick on the reader, not on the character (Battler).
I mean, no? This is established early in the VN, it's literally the central conflict of the entire Magic v Mystery thing right? Battler has a mental breakdown and almost loses the game because of Virgillia and Beatrice's magic tower explosion fight and Virgillia has to step in and say 'actually you can just say that never happened'

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>>33542618
That's basically the theme of Umineko. Illusions and witches. I think it's very fitting as the trick.

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>>33542599
It's pretty obvious from very early on that Battler never sees any of the magic that other characters see, only when he gives up control of his piece at the end of EP2 and becomes another character for Beatrice to use in her illusions.

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>>33542599
>not on the character (Battler)
It also happened on the Battler (piece) when Genji is pretty much is telling him to swallow everything as the truth in ep 2.

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>>33542633
Yeah, but one thing is to deny any explicit depiction of magic, the other is to assume only the detective POV is ''reliable''. Any explicit use of magic is obviously a play on the witches side and could then be ignored in favor of a logical, human interpretation for the events. It would take a huge leap to go from there to ''those scenes when nothing magical happens are not reliable because we don't have the detective using his detective's authority to make sure''.

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus christ i just caught up on the last 10 episodes of gou and holy fuck ryukishi can go fuck himself. I cannot understand for the life of me how he could do this to higurashi and I really doubt phase 2 and onwards will stick the landing. This shit is just awful god damn.

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>>33542665
>It would take a huge leap to go from there to ''those scenes when nothing magical happens are not reliable because we don't have the detective using his detective's authority to make sure''.
Why are you so stuck up about the detective's POV? We have the RED you know

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>>33542648
The piece Battler, you mean? I though that was a prerequisite for the game, otherwise it would be impossible for meta-Battler to deny magic when his piece already surrendered to magic. Isn't that exactly how he lost at the end of chapter 2?

>>33542658
Exactly.

>>33542641
Sure, but it's possible to go too far with any idea.

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>>33542665
This kind of logically infers from the other, if Battler can see magic then his POV isn't necessarily that reliable. A huge thing about Umineko is how the ONLY thing they can trust is red, which is hammered home over and over and over again, especially as magical creatures start showing up and speaking to people.

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>>33542073
>-What they mean by "game" is that Hanyuu saved Rika and they tried to overturn the fate promised by Lambdadelta, indirectly challenging her without even knowing she's a thing. It's am indirect game between Hanyuu and Lambda's certainty, taking place across actual parallel universes.
>-The "bad game master that caused a logic error and burdened her piece with it" is Hanyuu. Her decision to save Rika started a fight between her and Lambda's guaranteed fate.
>-"She started the game herself but lost sight of her goal halfway through". This means she eventually abandoned the original goal of saving Rika, considering it hopeless, and kept telling her to give up and simply enjoy living eternally in june. The game lost its purpose and had no end in sight, because Hanyuu and Rika stopped trying to find a solution. This is what Lambda meant by "logic error". It was a game with no goal, existing for its own sake. It has nothing to do with the literal logic error of Umineko.
>-"She left the thinking entirely to her piece". This is self-explanatory. Rika was the only one trying to solve shit and escape, while Hanyuu decided to be useless and told Rika to stop trying to find an exit to the maze.

The fact that these fairly obvious points even need to be clarified at all shows that uminekofags are beyond redemption. Literally incapable of gathering meaning from any text they read.

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>>33542073
>>33542203
I just remembered these scenes. the ones where all the characters talk about higurashi like they're all actors in a movie and try to figure out the truth behind the mysteries. sound familiar? yes, it's exactly the same as the tea parties from umineko ep1 and ep9, where the characters discuss the gameboard. it's pretty clear Higurashi's a game board.

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>>33542670
rikas ass though

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>>33542684
Because that concept is very important as well.

>>33542704
>This kind of logically infers from the other
I'm not so sure about that.

>A huge thing about Umineko is how the ONLY thing they can trust is red
The red truth is the absolute truth, said the magical creature in a game about denying magic. That's circular logic, isn't it? But yeah, I'm ok accepting that since it's stablished pretty early on in the VN, unlike the detective's POV-authority.

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>>33542711
What do you call someone like you who actually understand the tale's implications then good sir?

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>>33542739
A normal fucking person

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>>33539981
The flow of time is convoluted in the Ikukoverse.

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>>33542734
The detective's authority POV is just used to utterly destroy the illusion anyway until later so not as important until ep 5. Though if you manage to notice that Battler is not seeing Kanon and Shannon in the same room before then.. Then the 'detective' becomes an important factor to include.
That is if you notice.. Which I didn't really notice in my reading..

[Anonymous No.]

I should be studying for something really important but instead I'm lurking this thread. How do I stop Satokoing my life?

[Anonymous No.]

Bros help me, either I am gay or these 07th boys are making me gay.

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>>33542734
>I'm not so sure about that.
I think it does. Like if you were reading Umineko and you saw everything going on with magic and people having conversations where they throw knives at butterflies, and people saying like "Rokkenjima is an island cut off from the outside world where truth doesn't exist until the typhoon ends", or Battler and Virgilia having a big conversation around how everything depicted isn't accurate but is instead being filtered through Beatrice's lense, and then all of the Red Truth shit where Battler is speaking about how he grabs onto them as little morsels of objective truth, all within the early part of the question arcs
and you came out of it thinking "hmm at least these scenes in particular are 100% objective unfiltered truth" i think that's just a fuck up on your part.
>That's circular logic, isn't it?
I mean it is, and Battler tries to question this at the beginning, but Beatrice shuts him up because otherwise there wouldn't have been a game.

>detective's POV-authority.
Detective POV's authority isn't that relevant honestly, don't know why you're so hung up on it. It's only established after nothing anyone else sees is necessarily the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542783
You cant loop.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>33542827
>You will never be a looper

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>>33542804
The big problem of that is: if you take your argument to the logical extreme, you HAVE to question the validity of even the red truths, specially since the source of them is explicitly magical. And once you do that, it's over, there is no ground to stand on. If you don't do that, it means you have to arbitrarily choose where to draw the line. In my particular experience reading the VN, that line was drawn where scenes without any magic elements were solid ground. Apparently I was mistaken, but any other location to draw the line would be just as arbitrary unless you consider EVERYTHING unreliable, including the red truths.

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>>33542876

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>>33542876
I don't know about that, guys, when I see pics like this: >>33542096 I...I'M GONNA LOOP! I'M LOOOOOOOPING UOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/c5t2ZI-ERjo

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>>33542882
>you HAVE to question the validity of even the red truths
Battler tries to do this initially, but again Beatrice shuts him up and the entire thing continues. The implication is pretty clear - while you can question other things you can trust Red Truth statements. This is expanded on later when people try to lie with the Red Truth, and they literally can't do it. You don't have a similar thing for unreliable narration where you're unfairly tricked into believing it's real, in fact you have multiple normal conversations like Natsuhi speaking to Kinzo off the top of my head, that should make you really fuckin question basic conversations once Kinzo's death is hinted at.

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>>33542896
My slovenly writing witch can't be this cute!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33542979
Why is Satoko such a 人 of the 子

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>>33542979
That doesn't make it any less arbitrary and even contradictory (circular reasoning) to accept the red truth. When Natsuhi spoke with Kinzo I though her mental state was a part of her character and the story. Her desperate desire to be accepted and validated by Kinzo made her delude herself into seeing him, having the ''you have the ushiromyia wing imprinted in your heart'' etc. Even now that sounds much better than ''it was all unreliable narration'' which just drains all the complexity and drama out of scenes like this.

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>>33541964
So wait is the manga more canon than the anime? Ryukishi's recent interview made it seem like Passione's kinda doing their own thing here and there which would explain the differences in the manga, i.e: Keiichi is the one who decapitates Oyashiro-sama in the manga, not Shion.

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>>33543066
>That doesn't make it any less arbitrary and even contradictory (circular reasoning) to accept the red truth
Sure, but it's necessary to establish some form of truth as a foundation and it's told to you that this is the one objective truth that you can follow. It's established that Beatrice set up the red truth as a rule for the game, because otherwise the game wouldn't exist. It's a minor thing, but otherwise Umineko literally wouldn't work.

>Her desperate desire to be accepted and validated by Kinzo made her delude herself into seeing him
That IS unreliable narration.

>which just drains all the complexity and drama out of scenes like this
No, all of the scenes that exist still have drama and complexity, it just has added complexity of them representing things in a more metaphorical manner that hints more about the inner-workings of particular characters than an objective truth of like a conversation in a kitchen.

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>>33543106
So we are Dragon Ball Super now or something?

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>>33543141
Yeah, I understand how the red was necessary, and since it was established pretty early on, any reader that had a big problem with that could just jump out of the VN at that point. I understand the concept of unreliable narration as well, I just don't like how it was used. We actually have no idea how much the drama of the characters had some basis in reality, it's all unreliable. For me personally, this cheapens the emotional scenes, but that's just my opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

It's a wrap public lust poyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>33543106
R07 is in charge of writing the anime but the manga only credits an artist (Tomato Akase). I would assume Tomato is writing the story as well since R07 is only credited in the manga for the original work.

[Anonymous No.]

Preparing my morning coffee filtered through Miyao's used sweaty socks

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>>33543284
Is there a credits page somewhere? Neither Watadamashi or Onikakushi's last chapter show it, at least not in the online version. I remember that that's where all the detailed credits were for the original manga.

[Anonymous No.]

people are comparing Gou to Rebellion but i'm really getting Chainsaw Man vibes here, i wonder if R07 read that recently

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>>33543283
Keropoyo, download 2 hours of frog humiliation ovulation action.

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>>33543390
>The game boards are really all just simulations within (the real world in) Ciconia
>They extract despair in order to ??? (Fix the planet?)
>Ange and Rika will forget exist in a state of despair for this reason

[Anonymous No.]

Humiliation is such a nice word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33543414
Downloading 2:00:00 of of frog humiliation ovulation action poyo!
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>>33543423
i was mainly just thinking that Makima and Satoko have pretty similar motives. also the sword that kills loopers makes me think that Gou is going to end up with a similar ending to CSM, where Satoko/Rika 'die' but not really.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else get a little excited when Rika and Satoko were wresting by the river?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33543440
Keropoyo, please search t-the internet for uh.... hot erotic Tadpole x Frog a-action...

[Anonymous No.]

>>33543563
>>33538892
>>33538713
I felt bad thinking about it.

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>>33537192
>you didn't figure that out from Umineko
Either brainlet goat or causal who can't read confimed.

That's literally all she did was sleep and watch kakera TV. Even as Ikuko she basically just lived on her island villa writing mysteries, lazing around eating cake with her cat, and having tons of sex with "Tohya" before going to sleep.

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>>33543588
*kero*kero* *kero*kero*
*bzzzzt*
Forwarding all chat logs to your contact lists poyo!~

[Anonymous No.]

How is notFeatherine the only good thing about Gou so far?

[Anonymous No.]

How are Satoko's bare pits the only good thing about Gou so far?

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>>33542409
Hypocrite that you are, for you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals.

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>>33543751
Uhhh have you seen the OP?

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>>33542013
MY THEORY IS 100% ORIGINAL BY ME

[Anonymous No.]

>all those opinions getting thrown around
Personally, Ilike Gou
Do you?
https://strawpoll.com/hckwj9xv4

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>>33542882
That's correct. Do you finally understand "Without love it cannot be seen"? There is NO WAY for the author to convince you he's telling the "truth" in a fictional story. 100% OF ALL SCENES never happened! All you can do is look into the story and try to find what you THINK it might have been talking about. The ONLY THING you can see is love, that someone spent SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT, there MUST be something in there. In other words, the only guarantee is that THERE ARE NO POINTLESS SCENES. If something was show to you, regardless of it's validity, there was a REASON, a WHY DUNNIT! Then you piece together a possible motivation for the author(killer) using various point of "evidence". Get it? It's META MYSTERY!

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>>33543911
>https://strawpoll.com/hckwj9xv4
It could've been much better if there was no first half at least. Or if it was a completely new structure. I was really bored watching new episode every week just to see minor differences. Like, I get it, I've read it, I've seen it in deen's adaptation, it's not really fun to go through it again. It could've been like 2-3 episodes of old structure but then something cool and new, something that will make a interesting mistery. Instead it's literally here's your different fragment bro.

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>>33543982
Enjoy your important walls of piss scenes you schizo. You're so happy just to get what the reading of fictional stories is.

[Anonymous No.]

Hanyu in the cracked left horn of the goddess, granted to those who inherit her bloodline.

!Featherine is the right horn of the demon, granted to those that she finds worthy.

They're the horns of the almighty Oyashiro-sama,

[Anonymous No.]

>>33544047
Even cutting just a single episode from each Trick arc would have us at the current plot point in episode 19. I'd be a lot more comfortable right now knowing there were 5 (6?) episodes left, and not 2 (3?).

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>>33543982
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

A MYSTERY IS A LOVE STORY BETWEEN AUTHOR AND READER.
DONT PUT A SOLUTION MEAN WASTE THE READER'S TIME THAT HE PUT IN UNDERSTAND HIS OPERA

MEAN BETRALY HIM

ALL OF THIS IS WRITTEN IN THE VN YOU NEVER READ

[Anonymous No.]

Don't worry guys, Sotsu will fix everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33544219
>Sotsu
>卒
This really is going to be the second half of Gou, isn't it? I'm okay with that I guess. It's better than trying to wrap everything up in two episodes.

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>>33537129
The DEEN anime removed Bernkastel and all the characters are pretty flanderized in the first season. That's why the animeonlys are so retarded.

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>>33544219
How? To fix it you need to fix Satoko which requires the entirety of Gou to be a dream (which is dumb) or which requires Satoko to have advanced HS so she’s not responsible for her actions (which is also dumb)

[Anonymous No.]

Rika kills Satoko with the shard of the Onigiri no Ryuou.

[Anonymous No.]

Idk if anyone has said this or not yet but it should be pretty obvious by now how Satoko stops Takano. The situation will be like in the vns when K1 and crew fake Rikas death to make the mountain dogs/Takano slip up, except this time Satoko will present Takano with the queen carriers corpse days after its death, conclusively proving Hifumi's research wrong and crushing her iron will. Satoko already has to kill Rika to loop so its not like shes even going out of her way either pretty easy solution

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>>33544433
The only thing that transfers between loops are Rika and Satoko's memories. Your solution makes no sense.

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>>33544455
lolwut explain k1 then faggot it literally showed he still has past memories from other fragments

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>>33544524
The chances of others remembering previous loops is extremely slim and it's not like they remember exact details. It's usually feelings or flashes at best. Rika went through 100 years of loops and was amazed in Tsumihoroboshi when K1 remembered what he did. It also didn't transfer over into Munagoroshi.

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>>33543563
>>33543618
>>33538713
Out of nowhere, Rika gets into a fight with her best friend. Not just a normal minor argument or squabble, but something serious. Satoko's been acting strange lately, she's so sullen and irritable. And now she's screaming and shouting at Rika, demanding explanations for things Rika doesn't understand. It quickly escalates into a wrestling match. Satoko is being really aggressive, choking Rika and pulling her hair. This is too much, what's wrong with her today? Rika finally gets mad and shoves back, tackling her into the stream.
A brief sensation of vertigo and then icy water impacting her entire body. Rika lets out a yelp and jumps to her feet, struggling to crawl up onto the bank. She lies there for a second, dazed. But soon she pushes herself to her feet slowly, wiping mud and grass off her knees. The sudden shock has cleared her mind and calmed her down.
What a stupid fight, falling to a stream like they're little girls again. Why were they fighting anyway? Something about St. Lucia? It doesn't matter, how childish they were being. Surely Satoko feels the same way, this was just a stupid argument about nothing, and now they're all wet. They'll apologize and make up, and maybe if this is really botherin Satoko they can have a heart to heart and work through this together.
Right Satoko?
Satoko?
Rika looks around, but she's standing alone by the stream, in total silence but for the gentle creaking of the waterwheel. Could it be, is Satoko planning some sort of prank? Is she going to jump up out fo the water and grab Rika's legs, pulling her back in? Rika jumps backa step and carefully examines the surface of the water. But there's no sign of movement...
"Satoko?"
The sun is setting, and it's getting dark and cold, an icy breeze cuts through her soaking wet clothes.
"Satoko?"
Rika cautiously steps closer to the water, aware that this is exactly what her friend might be planning. Any second now she could be ambushed. But there's no sign movement in the calmly flowing water. No sound but the chilly breeze and the waterwheel creaking. She leans over the water, presenting the perfect target, and quickly screws her eyes shut, bracing for an impact that never comes. A hesitant second later she opens her eyes again, looking downward into the water. The sun has almost set, and as the angle of the light changes, the reflection on the water's surface disappears.
Deep beow the surface, mixing in with the clear blue water, is a thin trace of red.
Suddenly, she's struck with a jolt of electricity, her heart begins to race, a familiar dread starts boiling up in the pit of her stomach, one she thought was never going to return since that night three years ago. She wildly glances around the water, all the way to the bottom it's clear execpt fot at faint strand of red. Where, where, where is she?
Rika casts her gaze up and down the stream. Down, it has to be down, she'd drift with the current, towards the waterwheel. She races down the waterway, scanning the depths for an sign of her friend. Suddenly, she sees it, in the shadow of the bridge, a hint of gold.
Instantly she jumps off the bank, plunging into the freezing water. She strains and fumbles before grasping something solid, cloth, hair, an arm. With all her strength she pulls, but the water is so heavy, since when was Satoko so heavy? Not now, not again, things are supposed to be different now, she's not a little girl anymore, she's not weak and small and helpless. Surely, surely she can do this much?
With the foul dread boiling in her stomach spurning her on, fighting against the icy water, she slowly pulls Satoko out of the water, still, and icy cold. Out of the water, she has to get out of the water, onto the shore. She pulls and kicks, climbs and drags her way out of the water, arms wrapped around Satoko the entire time, and finally, lungs burning, her entire body alternately numbs and electrified, pulls both of them onto the shore.
Satoko isn't breathing, she's icy cold, and unmoving. A smear of red stains her hair and the ground uder her head, bleeding so fast even in this frigid air. Framed by the falling sweep of Rika's hair, her eyes stare unblinking through Rika's own, into the sky. Collapsed on the ground, knees supporting her, Rika's eyes also stare unmoving, downwards into darkness far below her friend. She doesn't move to attempt CPR, or cry out for help, even in the middle of the village. There's no point. So many times, so many times she's seen this expression. It's over.

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>>33544554
Maybe, maybe if she hadn't hesitated all those long seconds, afraid of the cold water. Maybe if it weren't for the bright reflections on the water, or the dark shadows under the footbridge. Maybe if she sh hadn't pushed them both into the water, maybe if they'd never had that argument at all. Or maybe there was no avoiding it. Maybe it was inescapable, a rule of the world. Maybe she never really escaped, maybe this is just the beginning all over again. Maybe Satoko is only the first one. Or maybe it was just bad luck, a pointless, meaningless mistake after a pointless, meaningless argument.
She almost laughs, a grimace pulling on the corners of her mouth. But soon, a horrible feeling starts crawling up her spine, worse even than the spreading clenching dread in her guts. Her head slowly tilts to the side, away from Satoko, towards the water. The dark icy water, that in just one breath, just one slip... Maybe... Could she...
This was supposed to be the perfect world, wasn't it? But this isn't right, not at all. Something's clearly wrong.
"Right Hanyuu?"
There was no response. Just the icy breeze and the creak of the waterwheel. That's right, Hanyuu is gone. Without Hanyuu... But maybe... Would it still work? Could it be that simple?
Staring down into the dark water, Rika's thoughts slowly drifted into a spiral. Maybe... But... Maybe... But...
After sunset, at the side of the stream, holding Satoko's unmoving form, staring deep into and through the dark waters below, silent but for the breeze and the creaking of the waterwheel, her lips moving in a vague repeating pattern. In this perfectly still scene, they found her.

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>>33544524
Also even in this episode she had to ask notFeatherine to allow Rika's memories to transfer through loops.

[Anonymous No.]

RYUKISHI WHERE THE FUCK IS PHASE 2 I WANT TO READ IT SO BADLY FUCK YOU!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33544605
What do you mean? It already came out!

[Anonymous No.]

Come say hi to your Krauss wannabe neighbors on /biz/, /jp/
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[Anonymous No.]

>>33544632

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The end is just Rika using the shard to kill Satoko and them both going back to moments before she enters the saiguden. Rika is fully aware of all that happened and she puts a stop to the meeting between Satoko and featherine. Rika capitulates a bit and apologizes hugging the fuck out of a depressed Satoko and Satoko, being the poorly written character that she is in Gou unfortunately, accepts her apology. They both go to Angel Mort with the gang, they all have a good time and the series ends with both Satoko and Rika working hard at St. Lucia to strengthen their relationship. The end.

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>>33544666
Thank you for reposting this, anon. I've been looking for it in my folders for 2 years and was too ashamed to ask for sauce here

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>>33544672
The shard would just kill Satoko. There would be no more loops.

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>>33544632
Wait holy fuck it's real this time!

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>>33544666
>MGS is canon in the WTC Universe
Without love, changes cannot be seen on the battlefield.

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>>33544689
Satoko would just be given the same status as Mion or Rena, like in every other loop. She would remember nothing. She can only go mad if there's a witch giving her the chance to fuck things up and in the amount of time that passed between she left school prison and she received Mion's letter, she hasn't attempted to harm Rika once and she even put on appearances in Hinamizawa, hurtful as that might be for her knowing Rika is faking shit as well, without causing any particular trouble.

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>>33544762
Could Battler defeat the patriots?

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>>33544775
No, the shard would kill Satoko and then there would be no more loops. Rika can't loop because Hanyuu is gone.
The whole point of the shard was so Rika could kill herself and not have to live through repeating the same two weeks over and over again.

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>>33544672
Why wouldn't the original Satoko accept Rika's apology?

Anyways, I refuse to believe in that end. It leaves so many plot points unresolved. How did Rika's looper consciousness get back to the that point in Matsuri-1 fragment? Which matsuri Rika was it that died in 1988 and started looping with witch Satoko? What about Obashiro/neeterine, she's a huge unresolved question in that? She didn't expect her entertainment Satoko to get nullified just like that. Or did she set it all up? Whatever the case, there needs to be quite a bit of closure for her, Satoko and Rika.
This end also turns our "protagonist" Satoko into a mere plot device, just another obstacle for looperino Rika to overcome, while undoing countless episodes of lazy character development with even lazier "lol just a dream" type excuse. I guess that might be the best we should expect from Gou but I still hope for something better.
Matsuri-1 is not even a good end for the original Satoko. She suffered St.Lucia alone for 2 years, is severely depressed and still stuck in the special ed school hell. BUT I guess Rika would finally at least fucking try to be Satoko's friend after seeing how badly her neglect broke witch Satoko.
Finally, this ending sounds too obvious, has been so for a couple of episodes now. Why would something like "bad satok gone, rikasato happy end" sound surprising from VAs point of view? There's going to be a bigger twist than chekhov's gun actually being used to expected effect.

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>>33544762
>>33544666
Without love, Snakes cannot be eat.

Cursed 666 post btw