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3352471 No.3352471 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Japanese so hard to learn!? I can't get more than 10 hiragana in a day because it's so fucking boring.

How did you guys do it?

>> No.3352477

very carefully

>> No.3352479

>10 hiragana in a day
lol

>> No.3352482

>>3352471
Huh? Kana is the easy part. Takes a couple hours at most just using flash cards or writing them out. If you don't even have the motivation for that, you'll never learn.

>> No.3352500

>>3352471
If you're having problems learning hiragana, give up. Now. You're wasting your time.

>> No.3352506

>>3352482
How do I get motivated?

>> No.3352510

>>3352506
You don't "get motivated", you motivate yourself

>> No.3352512

If you're bored to hell with it, just quit now. You won't learn for shit if you don't at least have some fun with it.

>> No.3352513

>>3352506
What do you mean? Wanting to read untranslated VNs, manga, shows etc should be motivation enough.

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fucking 404s

>> No.3352537

>>3352512
How do I have fun? I know this sounds like a bad question, but what can I do?

>> No.3352544

>>3352537
Just give up. Seriously.

>> No.3352548

>>3352537

Go back to your untranslated h-doujins occasionally and see how much you can understand. Hell, that's what I did.

>> No.3352564

>>3352544
Why don't YOU give up? One day I'm going t be fluent in Japanese and then I'll make a thread here and say hey guys remember that guy that said I can't learn Japanese he was wrong because I just did and then you're going to look so dumb.

>> No.3352574

>>3352564
At 10 kana a day, by the time you learn Japanese, /jp/ won't be around any more.
>>3352537
People like you generally need a class.

>> No.3352585

>>3352564
Woah, friend. Take it easy for a second.

All we're saying is that if it seems boring to you, you don't have something to motivate you to learn. Manga and VNs. Jap websites. Find something that you want to read and make it your goal for learning a bit of Japtalk.

>> No.3352599

Heiseig's "remembering the kana" worked for me. I read through it a few times, printed out the sheets from tae kim's and traced them out numerous times. Then I used the javascript "flash cards" at genki's website. Another good exercise is to get romanized lyrics off of animelyrics.com and write them in kana. Kana was super easy and I would hardly say it was boring (I graduated with a computer science degree, talk about fucking boring). Shit gets real after you learn the kana and move on to kanji and the finer details of grammar. Stay strong anon, it's really not so bad. The best part is that, with all the electronic dictionaries out now and the furigana aggregator program, you can start struggling through VN relatively soon after you just learn the kana and like 100 of the most basic kanji. It gets a lot funner and easier after that point.

>> No.3352599,1 [INTERNAL] 

Question: is there any online dictionary to lookup kanji by graphemes? For example I enter 己己 (2x ego)　and it gives me 選(choose). If not online, then is there any for windows/linux? I read that JEdict for macos can do this, but I have no macos to check the claim. Also I found http://kanjiabc.net/index.cgi?rm=search;lang=EN but I can't get how to lookup one kanji by several graphemes. Also is there any other good way to lookup kanji besides radical+numbeer of strokes and by graphemes?

>>3352471
I tried several lessons from several sources. Then I got bored of all of them and wrote python script that prints kana and asks how it will be in romaji. Generally it took ~5 weeks to learn hiragana(4.5 of them I tried and dropped online lessons) and 2 days to learn katakana afterwards. Not to fluent level of course, but good enough to read any filename ve-ry-slo-w-ly. Hardest part of katakana is to not confuse ツ,シ, ソ,ン(n) and even ア マ (if you are as stupid as I). But it's nothing in comparison with 己 and 已

>> No.3352689

Question: is there any online dictionary to lookup kanji by graphemes? For example I enter 己己 (2x ego)　and it gives me 選(choose). If not online, then is there any for windows/linux? I read that JEdict for macos can do this, but I have no macos to check the claim. Also I found http://kanjiabc.net/index.cgi?rm=search;lang=EN but I can't get how to lookup one kanji by several graphemes. Also is there any other good way to lookup kanji besides radical+numbeer of strokes and by graphemes?

>>3352471
I tried several lessons from several sources. Then I got bored of all of them and wrote python script that prints kana and asks how it will be in romaji. Generally it took ~5 weeks to learn hiragana(4.5 of them I tried and dropped online lessons) and 2 days to learn katakana afterwards. Not to fluent level of course, but good enough to read any filename ve-ry-slo-w-ly. Hardest part of katakana is to not confuse ツ,シ; ソ,ン and even ア マ (if you are as stupid as I). But it's nothing in comparison with 己 and 已

>> No.3352700

>>3352689
>Hardest part of katakana is to not confuse ツ,シ; ソ,ン
I dunno. That sort of stuff is pretty easy. It's like V and U in English.

>> No.3352702

The fuck?

You can learn hiragana and katakana in an hour or so.
Jesus shit.

>> No.3352713

>>3352700
LOL In my handwriting it's impossible to tell U from V. So I guess you are right.

>> No.3352722

>>3352700
I'm getting confused on that when reading handwriting. But as you stated, it's like U, V and r, n etc.

>> No.3352724

>>3352689
Radicals.

This is what you're looking for.

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1R

>> No.3352729

>>3352702
An hour?!
Jesus christ, I sat almost 8 hours here memorizing that.

>> No.3352735

>>3352713
>>3352722
It's just something you pick up, you memorise the directions the lines go in. Although, I admit, handwritten Japanese can be hard to read, just like I can't read my own English sometimes.

>> No.3352736

>>3352702
come now, that claim is exaggerating just a bit, good anon

>> No.3352746

>>3352729
>>3352736
Not really. I memorised Hiragana at least in under an hour.

>> No.3352747

>>3352736

It's exaggeration, but you can easily learn them all in a day.

>> No.3352762

>>3352746
you can't memorize anything in one hour. you have to use information several times over the course of at least a few days in order to cement it in long-term memory

>> No.3352771

>>3352746
Really?
Fuck, seems like I'm slow on memorizing stuff.
Well, better take long to learn something instead of never learning them in the first place.

>> No.3352777

I've had katakana and hiragana down for a while, but what are some tips for learning kanji? I have absolutely no idea where to even start. First I did by stroke, then I tried by grade... it just all seems overwhelming. Especially since they're not all 100% unique, and there are about 1400 that a typical japanese person knows. I don't know..

>> No.3352788

>>3352777
I've got the same problem.
Seconding that question.

>> No.3352793

I'm not exaggerating. I learned it in under an hour using flash cards, online tests, and pencil & paper in the library.

I know it was an hour because it was during an exam break.

It isn't hard. This isn't kanji people...

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>>3352724
I love you! Here's Saya for you as token of my appreciation.

>> No.3352796

>>3352471
You are doing it wrong. Learn how to do it from the world record holder of learning languages and one of the first simultaneous interpreter, Kato Lomb.
http://tesl-ej.org/ej45/tesl-ej.ej45.fr1.pdf

I just used this method to learn Czech. Shit was so fucking cash.

>> No.3352801

>>3352777
>>3352788
Read simply stories for children
Everytime you encounter a kanji you don't know, write it down.

Look them all up after you're through a story, write each out 50 times.

Get someone to test you tomorrow, write 50 times again the ones you didn't remember. Add that to the next story for that day.

That's how it's done in chinese schools, I know. I've seen many hanzi in my days

>> No.3352802

>>3352777
>>3352788
I just did Heisig. It works great, but now I don't know any of the readings. If there was a way to learn readings with it things would be perfect.

>> No.3352812

>>3352801
And where would I find simple stories for children in japanese? Preferably with pictures because FUCKING I WANT PICTURES IF I'M GOING TO BE A KID AGAIN

>> No.3352817

>>3352777
just read them in context. just read simple things, keep a DS with that kanji dictionary game by your side, you can draw the kanji you see with the stylus and it looks it up for you (including english definition even). memorizing things with flashcards and whatever never really worked for me, the best learning exercise is to just see them in context alot. Eventually you will reach for the dictionary, start drawing it out and say "oh wait I remember what this one is"

>> No.3352820

>>3352801
Alright, going to do this.
...Well... I don't have anyone who could test me ;_;
Have to do it myself I guess ;_;

>> No.3352830

Are there any drugs out there that allow the brain to learn like it did when you were a young child?

>> No.3352831

Do what I do for kanji.

Translate manga with furigana then move onto manga without furigana.

Shit works so good. I'm planning on releasing Naisho no Tsubomi soon. Can't find any more raws though.

>> No.3352836

>>3352777
Personally, I started out by loading say grade 1 kanji into Anki, and using it daily till I felt comfortable. I also write down each kanji when it shows up during review.

After I feel comfortable, I load up the next grade. Though I've been severely slacking, still in elementary school.

Make sure to use the kanji too through reading things and writing sentences.

>> No.3352841

>>3352796
This is the only good thing to come out of Hungary.

>> No.3352844

>>3352830
Kids having an easier time learning languages is a common misconception. If you want to learn like a kid does, somehow erase your knowledge of English.

>> No.3352860

>>3352796
Thanks, this looks interesting. I'd definitely like to learn more languages.

>> No.3352864

:3 :3 :3 :3

>> No.3352868

>>3352796
Writing things down is mentioned a lot, but transcribing kanji is the hardest part ;_;

>> No.3352872

>>3352831
Need help with raws?

>>3352844
Yeah. The evidence suggests that adults can learn languages at a slightly faster rate than children.

>> No.3352874

>>3352868
It doesn't have to look great, just remember the shapes and stuff you're supposed to be writing. Even if you write 話 and it somehow ends up looking like a penis, you still at least know how you're supposed to write it in your head.

>> No.3352876

>>3352844
I'm going to second this. People always say "children learn their native tongue effortlessly!" No they don't. It takes like four fucking years before most kids can express feelings and ideas that are even slightly complex. Even then, children are using almost 100% of their brain power learning language that whole time. They don't have jobs, school, and a million other things distracting their minds all day.

>> No.3352879

>>3352831
Manga with furigana? Where can we find it?

>> No.3352888

>>3352876
A child also has the greatest motivation, they need to be able to communicate with their family etc. and they don't particularly care if they make errors during their speech, while a lot people, (myself included) don't like speaking Japanese or writing it because I know I'll make mistakes and sound like a gaijin.

>> No.3352892

I don't understand why people think this language is so hard.

I have NO experience from class. My knowledge comes from anime, manga, hentai, songs, mmorpgs, and the internet.

I went to a college visit and spoke with a Japanese language teacher using a few engrish here and there. He told me I was doing better than students who have taken his course for four years.

You guys just REALLY lack motivation.

>> No.3352899

>>3352879
Most shounen series. Evangelion, Dragon Ball, etc. will have furigana. A lot of people recommend starting with Yotsubato but it almost seems too easy.

>> No.3352905

>>3352879

Can't help you with that one.
I'm pretty sure Yotsuba uses furigana though. It's already being translated but you can always do it for practice.

>> No.3352906

>>3352879
There's porn with furigana. I keep meaning to start tagging it when I see it on e-hentai but I always forget.

>> No.3352924
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Fate/ Kaleido Illya has all kanji in furigana

>> No.3352933

Anyone have a link to raw Yotsuba manga?

>> No.3352945

>>3352933
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=742 seems to be some seeders.

>> No.3352949

You know I didn't learn hiragana in a few hours.
I can imagine it's possible if you have the ability and motivation to study like that, but I learned slowly bit by bit by looking them up/copy-pasting them into wikipedia whenever I wanted to get a sense of what a caption or text bubble in a picture I downloaded meant. After a few weeks of that I was able to read most kana just from idly doing that in my spare time.

For more serious study give yourself a week to master them.
Just make sure you find a resource that shows the proper stroke-order for each character so you don't learn them wrong. Learn to write each one, memorise the stroke order and the feel for each one and then try one of those flashcard programs to solidify their readings in your memory.
I can't over-stress the importance of learning proper stroke order and penmanship from the very beginning, though.

>> No.3352956

>>3352949

Oh yeah, but I did that idly in my spare time because I thought learning the crazy moon-script was fun.
If you hate learning kanji/kana it'll be much harder for you to remember them.

>> No.3352968

All this "durr hurr eye lurned kana in an hour" is further evidence that /jp/ is full of elitist pricks.

It's an entirely different alphabet, so of course it's going to take a while to learn.

>> No.3352969

>>3352892
I learned from classes, but I didn't even have to try. This language is easy.

>> No.3352976

>>3352968
I don't really understand why its hard to understand. It's pretty much what, 50 hiragana and 50 katakana? Around 2 hours of constant flashcards and writing would have you pretty proficient.

>> No.3352999

>>3352976
it's written in a way completely, 100% different than roman characters. There's only a few major languages in the whole world (arabic, chinese, and japanese) in which the basic alphabet is written so entirely different. Almost all other languages, even russian, use letters that are at least somewhat similar-looking to english characters. Just stop already.

>> No.3353010

I'm not trying to be an elitist prick.

You guys are just making this seem more harder than it is, really.

>> No.3353017

>>3352999
Stop what? Symbols are symbols. It doesn't matter if they're completely different than English, they're still very simple. It's not like kana is complex or anything.

>> No.3353031

>>3353010
I guess it depends on the person.
We don't make it seem hard.
I needed 7 hours to learn both and I don't care if anyone say
"derp thats fukken long, I only needed liek 1 hour xD"
Either you are lying or you are better at memorizing stuff than me.
But both choices lead to the same answer
"I do not care."

>> No.3353034

Flash cards will only teach you the readings.
It's important to learn how to write them and that takes a bit longer.
If you ever want to be able to write the language that is.
I think the kinetic memory of learning to write the characters helps in remembering them, but I'm not sure if it's possible to learn how to read without any ability to write.

>> No.3353038

>>3352999

How fucking hard is it to learn a handful of new letters? Kana isn't hard to read since it's all left-to-right and there's just one written form to each letter, and Japanese doesn't even have any sounds we don't have in English.

>> No.3353044

>>3353034
>possible to learn how to read without any ability to write
It is. I don't know how to write any of the characters but I can read it fine.

>> No.3353047

>>3352976
Sure, I can do that too, my short-term memory is great. But a week later? A month later? Kana is the sort of thing that won't stick in most people's minds unless they use it fairly often. Truly internalizing something takes a while.

>> No.3353054

Wait, wait, wait hold on.
Too all the people who said they mastered kana in an hour.
Do you mean just reading them or also writing them?
Because I learned reading and writing at the same time and that's why it took me 7 hours.

>> No.3353057

>>3353047
exactly. that's all I'm trying to say.

>> No.3353066

>>3353017

It's complex to learn the stroke orders of completely foreign characters for the first time.

I remember when I first started learning to write kana, just learning to write あ properly was pretty challenging. It didn't take me long to figure it out, but you still have to learn it from scratch.

>> No.3353067

Is it my imagination or does learning Japanese writing engage a different part of the mind than the one you use for the alphabet?

Five years ago, I tried to study Japanese as an alphabet and my mind exploded. There were just too many kana and they leaked out of my memory about as quickly as I could stick new ones in.

But if you look at each symbol as a story with its own history and emotion then it starts to make much more sense. Not that I ever got any good at it at all.

>> No.3353071

>>3353047
I never implied anything of the sort. I can't imagine anyone learning the kana, then just forgetting about them for a week or two. Of course after coming back you'd find you only remember maybe half.
>>3353054
I say it took me two hours, but it's also writing. Writing makes it easier to retain the knowledge.

>> No.3353081

>>3353054
Reading and writing. But to be honest... I don't know the proper stroke order. I can easily right them correctly, but the strokes order is meh to me. That's more of a kanji aspect.

Even now I write my roman letters in a totally different way than most people. My english professor actually told me I write wrong. I was like lolwut?

>> No.3353082

Fuck you guys must be retarded. I learned all kana, and a few hundred kanji in around 2 hours

>> No.3353087
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A question: Do Japanese people read faster in Japanese than English people do in English?
Because judging from the way some anime throw text up on the screen, they can take a lot more in at one go than I can.
Show related if not this particular picture.

>> No.3353091

>>3353067

The hell are you smoking?

>> No.3353093

God damn you guys must be retarded. I learned all the kana, about 2,500 kanji, and was writing light novels and publishing them in Japan in about 3 hours.

>> No.3353096

>>3353071
>Of course after coming back you'd find you only remember maybe half.

OK, but I would not call this "learning the kana."

>> No.3353100

>>3353087

I get the feeling that even native Japanese speakers can't catch most of the split-second text in SZS

>> No.3353101

>>3353066
>>It's complex to learn the stroke orders of completely foreign characters for the first time.

How? Isn't it just top to bottom, left to right?
And even then it doesn't REALLY matter if you don't write it in the same stroke order. I learned a specific way to write English and cursive writing in Elementary school but it's not like I follow those practices.

>> No.3353103

>>3353091
Do you disagree with me? Why?

>> No.3353104

>>3353067
get the fuck out

>> No.3353108

>>3352471
I asked you guys if you needed a study buddy, but you turned me down anyways.

And you're not learning anything because you aren't practicing enough. It's like when you learn how to draw, play an instrument, or basically every other skill in existence: you have to do it every day or you'll get nowhere fast.

>> No.3353113

>>3353087
Hm... no, not really, or atleast not me.
Even japanese have problem with SHAFT-anime like SZS and Bakemonogatari.

>> No.3353118

>>3353096
Why? You obviously have to use newly obtained knowledge to keep it. Even if I learn a new English word, if I don't use it for a period of time I'll forget it, but I wouldn't say I never learned it in the first place.

>> No.3353119

>>3353108
You can be my study buddy, teach me everything you know ZUN-sama~

>> No.3353123

>>3353108

It's just like you to lump everyone together like that. We don't all have bad study habits, you know.

>> No.3353124

I don't see how you'd forget the kana.

Most of it is very easy to remember. The only ones that gave me trouble was め and ぬ
As long as you know は is ha... you automatically should know ば is ba and ぱ pa.

>> No.3353130

>>3353108
I want to be your study buddy.

>> No.3353138

>>3353124
Yea there are some kana that are tricky to distinguish at first, but when I started learning I just thought things like ぬ has sort of a 'noodle' twist to it at the end. Stupid shit like that.

>> No.3353141

>>3353118

Sorry, bad wording. Wanted to say "having learned" but the sentence was too awkward.

>> No.3353156

>>3352892
You are probably unaware of the fact that language courses, for the most part, is counter-productive in learning. If you want to learn Japanese you need to start reading the books, watch the movies, RIGHT NAO. It doesn't matter if you can't understand from the start but sooner or later you will figure everything out. That's what all kids do and that's why they learn fast.

>> No.3353165

>>3353141
That's ok. I like having decent discussions.

>> No.3353178

Us NEETs will soak up any and all kinds of information that interest us with minimal effort. I'm not trolling or anything - that's just the way life is.

>> No.3353180

>>3353156

I tried reading Botchan but it's still way too hard for me. I think the best place to start is manga with furigana.

>> No.3353181

>>3353156

I'll agree with some of that statement.

However, foreign language courses allow you to actually SPEAK the language with other individuals. Now those other individuals(lol classmates) may suck, but there is always the professor.

>> No.3353191

>>3353180
I find translating manga a good method of learning.

>> No.3353210

>There were just too many kana and they leaked out of my memory

That's just called being dumb.

>> No.3353254

So what's your guys method on learning a lot of vocabulary? I was thinking of taking my old spanish workbooks and learning the same wordsets in Japanese, since it's hard to know where to start when it comes to words. Or should I do what that Hungarian did and just grind a dictionary

>> No.3353261

Translating songs is also a good method.

If you can get most of what some high pitched japanese girl is screaming, you are doing pretty good.

Although be careful where you upload. Youtube deleted every single one of my translations.

>> No.3353267

>>3353254
Well, by learning kanji you learn vocab alongside it, or by translating manga you start picking up vocab.

>> No.3353271

>>3353254
You learn vocabulary through kanji.

Alternatively, you will also pick up some words from anime.

>> No.3353276

Anime and JRPGs. Seriously.

Anime taught me most of the vocabulary I know. The rest came from manga or the internet.

>> No.3353281

>>3353267
Or like this piece of shit faggot cocksucker said, translating manga.

Basically anything where you're able to have japanese and english words together.

>> No.3353288

>>3353281
;_;

>> No.3353296

>>3353191
Me too. I like 4koma series the best.

>> No.3353312

If you're feeling motivated, studying for JLPT will get you familiar with a lot of useful vocabulary.

>> No.3353319

>>3353312
Oh, is there some kind of studying method for that?

>> No.3353368

>>3352736
I disagree with classes being counter-productive. Having a teacher to ask questions on grammar is quite useful. I pretty much ignore most of the other stuff that goes on it in though, the class I'm taking moves way to slow. Classes + self study + anime/manga/music is the way to go.

>> No.3353370

>>3353319
Well, no method in particular. It's just that they draw up lists of vocabulary that form a pretty good basis to work on.

>> No.3353404

Smoke AJATT every day

Gotta get like 24 hours of japanese a day in. At least listening anyway.

Do as much kanji/kana practice and repetitions as you're comfortable with. But consume the fuck out of anything you can find. Music, books, websites, gyunyu cartons, everything.

>> No.3353405

>>3352892
It's more like this, the terminology used in MMOs, h-games (especially h-games since the're not supposed to be for children who's learning the language, the're supposed to be for perverted adults who have some dough to waste on a relatively expensive genre such as an h-game. hence they use newspaper level words in kanji, because they assume you're an adult.), as for the internet it's pretty much something that's pretty much a given. Doujins are usually drawn by adults with fetishes, so the'd use more terminology used in whatever anime/game/character the're using the doujin in.

Frankly, if Japanese classes were to teach you everything in japanese culture, half of them won't even be something they can really show in class. And you probably get what I mean by that.

>> No.3353414

All of these people who speak like you're some kind of thin witted moron because you can't learn an entire foreign alphabet in a couple of hours are just people who devote energy to nothing else. You can probably be satisfied if you can learn hiragana in a week, then the same with katakana.

When doing the basics, it's best not to rush, you should learn thing properly and avoid learning things the wrong way at all costs.

>> No.3353433

>>3353405

That's just an excuse, and frankly, exactly why AJATT is needed in addition to classroom experience. You won't learn anything except the kind of Japanese that Japanese people expect foreigners to know, it won't be "real" Japanese, if you know what I mean.

>> No.3353436

Japanese textual chart:

Children's books, simple manga (with furigana), more complex manga, light novels, regular novels (probably could produce another system for classification of these, but I assume just reading a few pages'll give you a good idea of the kind of language used). Visual novels are too difficult to smuggle into any one category.

I'm sure you're motivated to read at least something. My teacher gave us a few books about different animal's eating habits and pooping, I assume that you can sneak into a Japanese bookstore and try to read something like that. Pretty sure there'd be books for children to learn the kana around, too.

I just self-study now that I have a base knowledge, though. I should really do more work on it than I do, though. Its not like I don't have the relevant materials, I'm just really lazy.

>> No.3353440

I'm currently trying* to learn Japanese. You know what pisses me off? Those videos people make: LOL HI I'M GONNA TEACH YOU JAPANESE. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A RANDOM WORD YOU'LL NEVER USE IN ROMAJI.

*=Struggling.

>> No.3353451

>>3353440
Well, what did you expect?

>> No.3353457

I was expecting atleast one kanji. I didn't even get that.

>> No.3353464

>>3353457
You shouldn't watch a youtube learn Japanese video. Try to grab a book or something.

>> No.3353470

>>3353440
HEY MAN HERE'S A USEFUL WORD:

"CHINKASU"

>> No.3353477

>>3353464

I know but I'm one of those people who work better when forced to do something.

I get things done (sometimes) when I have people talking to me and telling me to do it.

>> No.3354542

>it's so fucking boring.
Well there's your problem. Do something fun instead.

>> No.3354564

>>3353440
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE

>> No.3354644

>>3353047
I do believe we need some Spaced Repetition up in this motherfucker.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-05/ff_wozniak?currentPage=1
http://ichi2.net/anki/
http://www.mnemosyne-proj.org/

I've learnt about 70% of the kana using Mnemosyne.
Just reading, mind. Don't really care about writing right now.

>> No.3354672

>>3354644
OH, and this took about a week. Less than an hour a day.
Cramming doesn't work (for long term memory).
Read that seven page article. Do it.

>> No.3354676

I found it very easy to memorise the kana.
Book was called Remembering the Kana
There's a companion called Remembering the Kanji
Having done 3 months of Mandarin, I assure you that Japanese is piss easy!

>> No.3354770

I think you overestimate the fun-factor. No matter how fun you tell yourself it is, you will probably have your moments when it all feels hopeless. What's most important is discipline. The discipline to stick with it despite all that, the discipline to memorize kanji daily, even though you're an unroutinized NEET, the discipline to read quite a few pages of grammar, even though that's among the most boring things you'll usually encounter in your life, the discipline to actually learn enough to reach the milestones where it starts paying off to know a little Japanese.

But most importantly, the discipline to get through what many consider the easiest part of learning Japanese without whining.

..well, to be fair, it could just be that you have really shitty pictorial memory or whatever you'd call it. Doesn't have to mean you are stupid or have no hope of ever learning it.

>> No.3354847

I just remembered something.

Knuckles in Chinaland. Did anyone else play that?

>> No.3354847,1 [INTERNAL] 

Learning Japanese thread

>> No.3354847,2 [INTERNAL] 

>>3354847,1
American Jones ghost bumping random threads to push the current ones off of the front page.

Via proxy, of course.

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