/07/th Expansion Thread

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African queen edition.
Discussion for Higurashi, Higurashi Gou, Higurashi Sotsu, Cicada season, Umineko, Seacats, Ciconia, Storks, Higanbanana, Rose Guns Days and all other 07th Expansion works.

07th Expansion archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/wLxAFApJ#bw2evoJRzl6BDhlpadX1YQ

Scorpion Charm:
https://pastebin.com/aa9NjGdU

Image Based Scorpion Charm:
https://pastebin.com/G5xm1rbQ

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First for Ange x Amakusa not being canon

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What planet do we see at the end of Ciconia?

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Many wrote about "brain and spine in jars" regarding Ciconia, but I don't think I've read anything about any jars. Did I miss them or is it an extrapolation akin "where else are these things supposed to go"

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>>33437037
That's the moon, anon.

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>>33437044
It's just an extrapolation I think. Brains on their own aren't very useful.

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>>33437078
Am I just daft? I don't see the spots being the same at all

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Let me introduce the idea of Satoko

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>>33437109
It's probably just a stylistic choice or something. The moon being red fits in with the general apocalyptic Revelation theme it has going on.
>And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
>And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

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>>33437504
Sex with Satoko.

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Miyao belly!

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>>33437520
I need a cure

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>>33437514
Okay the red aspect makes sense, I probably just can't see the spots being the same since I'm blind or something.
Thanks for the comment anon

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>>33437549
I have dreamed of Satoko multiple times. The other day I almost killed myself because I was sad about her not being real after waking up from a nice dream involving her.
Satoko syndrome is dangerous.

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>>33437584
Some people will never understand this

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The only redemption for Gou

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>>33437584
It really is. I almost went into cardiac arrest because of this preview image alone.
If the next 3 weeks go badly Ryukishi is in serious danger of being torn apart by a crazed mob of L5 Satoko Syndrome patients.

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Healing slow sex with satoko

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>>33437645
If anything happens to Satoko that involves her destruction as a character Ryuukishi will not finish Phase 2, because he'll probably be buried alive.

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>>33437561
I don't see it either, I was looking around for like an actual CG of the moon but it's not on the wiki. I was thinking maybe it's the far side of the moon but from your pic it doesn't look like it either. Either it is genuinely a different planetary body or R07 just made his own red moon and didn't want to detail it accurately for some reason.

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>>33437839
also, looking through the CGs I found the one of the Glass Sea that's similar to the Rika ED from Gou.

I want to believe so much, but how much do you want to bet that R07 ""coincidentally"" chose Salt Flats for Rika to stand in.

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What the fuck is up with the weird greenscreen weapons in ciconia sometimes? I cant stop laughing over the fucking ak47 greenscreen

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>>33437962
it looks like garbage doesn't it

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>>33437962
they look like MLG edits from early 2010s and its fucking great

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>>33437984
>>33437995
I fucking love it and I'll probably go and record them after my first read's done.

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>>33437984
It's fucking great and I hope he won't abandon them in Phase 2.

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>>33436266
Super canon

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>>33438266
Super non-canon you mean, from word of R07 himself.

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Chilling and sex with the squad!

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>>33438060
Please tell me someone already has them.

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>>33438284
not true

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>>33438459
>I think it's better for their relationship to continue without any progress over the years
Hibari13bros...

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>>33438459
>still believing in interviews with the dragon knight
lmao

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>>33438459
>>33438505
>>33438520
At least we can all agree that Ange gained weight over the years

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every time i read a post bullying ange i feel genuinely bad

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>>33438570
I too fell bad, but only I after I am done fapping to one.

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>>33438581
yasu is a schizophrenic murderer and even they're not bullied as much as enje

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>>33438602
It's not polite to bully mentally ill people.

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>>33438612
If they were bullied more maybe they wouldn't be mentally ill.

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>>33438646
I don't know anon, maybe their mental illness will escalate to the point they put small bombs in chandeliers and commit a murder-suicide

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>>33438612
Ange has an eating disorder

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>>33438678
That's a funny way of spelling "fat".

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>>33438685
She has a fat wallet and donates to charity and orphanages because she is so kind you mean

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>>33438719
>>She has a fat wallet and donates to charity and orphanages
She does that in order to evade taxes, enabling her to eat even more fatty foods!

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At least we can all agree one when they cry character is a massive suicide risk.
And by massive I mean fat.

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Satoko's sweaty satokos

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Ange pretended to run the orphanage well in her later years but the truth was the Ushiromiya blood was too strong and she treated the kids like furniture as Grandpa Kinzo would have wanted.
The children were terrified of the lethal beatings she gave out. Some say every so often she started calling herself ‘Aunt Rosa’ on some nights. It was at these that she was most violent.
Only a few kids could escape her by reaching parts of the orphanage that she was too obese to get to.

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Imagine being Rika and having access to Satoko's sweaty, used tights and panties whenever you want

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>>33438836
I would sniff that harder than Rika sniffs whatever it is at St. Lucia that makes her so retarded.

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>>33438859
Weed.

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>>33438866
Does she sniff weed?

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>>33438873
I laughed at your post, but not at what you said. I imagined the drills chama from St lucia having a blunt in her ass and by farting, she could make Rika sniff both her fart and weed.
I'm gonna leave now, sorry.

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>>33438873
No.
Just tea

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Why did Ange not just simply eat Featherine?

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>>33438887
How can you love someone if you aren't willing to sniff their weed farts?

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Who is the final boss of Ciconia?
It's gotta be that annoying frog-thing, right?

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>>33439044
Its Meow

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I don't like this kakera Featherine-samaaaaaa

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>>33439075
Probably not.
While I too think she is suspicious as fuck and most likely will be what the Killer Programm is, I doubt it will be the "ultimate evil".

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>>33439115
I'm partially joking, but I think its all far too uncertain to say at this point.

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>>33439158
From a meta point of view her being not what she appears to be would be a very classical twist, and while Ryu07 is not the most predictable author he is no "M. Night Shyamalan".

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>>33439236
My main issue is that it'd feel like another Yasu situation, except this time the main protagonist is the Yasu.

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>>33435937
My wife.

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PS3 Ange goddess
OG Ange hambeast

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>>33439256
Well the fact that Ryu07 introduced another character with a gender problem.is already a repetition. Just this time it's somewhat different and the "main problem" with it (Jaden being afraid of dick) got technically resolved. I even think that it won't be brought up in a serious context ever again.

So that won't be a root of evil and won't be a Yasu-Situation.

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>>33439382
I hate this

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>>33439345
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>>33439384
He’s not afraid, he seems ok with it

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Reminder that fat weapon ruined her relationship with Eva and later poisoned her which led to her death in a hospital bed.

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I can't get over how fucking cute this art is and how the entire thing is wasted on pegging and Shota Battler being raped by a futa Beatrice. Why? It's literally the best drawn Umineko doujin. Fucking whyyyyyy

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>>33439436
The most gifted are those who have the strangest ideas.

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>>33437543
He's so cute!

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Satoko dressing up in a cute outfit you've never seen before!
Satoko inviting you over to her house while everyone else is at the local festival!
Satoko giving you a look that almost sends you into cardiac arrest while her face turns red!
Satoko bringing you into her old room and embracing you so tight that you can feel her heartbeat!
Satoko pulling a condom out of a drawer while turning even redder!
Satoko pushing you down onto her bed while trembling slightly and asking if you'll accept her in a soft voice!
Satoko brushing her lips against yours first gently and then passionately!
Satoko's incredibly soft skin on yours as her weight settles on your lower body!
Satoko squeezing your body with her thighs while leglocking you!
Satoko falling asleep on your chest while you slowly run a hand through her hair!
Waking up to Satoko ohohoho-ing and showing you the condom wrapper with several holes through it!
Getting trapped by Satoko's pregnancy scheme!
Getting a rushed shotgun wedding with a pregnant Satoko for falling prey to her trap!
Having to spend the rest of your life with Satoko while raising 5+ kids with her as your punishment game!

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>>33437960
I'm pretty sure the one in the ed is just an area with desertification. You can see dead trees in the back. The purple color is there because the background generally had two tones (the grass is green and yellow, so that location ended up yellow and purple).

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Fragment where Satoshi lives with Teppei and learns the noble art of pimping instead of being a whiny faggot, while Satoko seethes and copes

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>>33439910
You make it sound as if that was a bad thing

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rikantrice Manifesto is completed

Manifesto: https://pastebin.com/XVrRMWqS
Booru: https://erikce.booru.org
Latex: https://www.docdroid.net/lnzdHQc/erikantrice-manifesto-pdf
Higurashi VN solution:https://erikce.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=254

Keichi can stop time and enter in the sea of fragments so he is the detective

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The Creator of Rokkenjima.

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I l*ve my t*ble!

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>>33440167
cutest girl of rokkenjima

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>>33435937
Sheshat is Gunhild.

She's got a butthole.

One of those two statements is false.

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>>33437044
It's a manner of speech. If they really are zombies, the brains wouldn't need any jars to stay alive.

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Are you ready for the real truth of Rokkenjima?

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>>33440465
Rokkenwho?

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>>33440129
I want this. I feel like Teppei could be a cool uncle and warm up to you if you helped him in his schemes and enjoyed fucking people over without feeling guilty.

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>>33440465
I love Rokken Joji

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>>33440129
Teppei would thank him for getting rid of his annoying wife. Why the fuck were they even married anyway? It's not like they had kids.

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The LSD user of Rokkenjima

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You will fap to Yasu.

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>>33440565
I will not fap to Yasu until the person behind Yasu edits removes Yasu's tits. Yasu's disgusting flat boychest is canon.

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>>33440556
AAAAAAAAAAAA NOOOOOO DADDD

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>>33440565
I FAP ONLY ON KANON THE REAL YASU
FUCK OFF SHANNON FAG

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>>33436266
Having her live all her life without her family and completely alone is one final kick in the vag to Ange. How sadistic can R07 be?

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>>33439044
unironically jayden

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>>33440167
I can't believe Kanon got raped by Nina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHUvDDjsPmM

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>>33440953
Jessica...

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This is the most beautiful scene in Umineko and it fooled me into believing Ange would have a satisfying conclusion

https://youtu.be/XxEZna3ROgQ

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I wonder if we'll ever see Asumu's kid.

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Why do people say Ange is fat? She looks like a complete dork in the original sprites (unlike in the PS3 sprites) but she doesn't look fat. Did I miss some text about her being fat? She does call herself un-cute at one point.

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>>33441100
Fuck. Listening to that again hit me with a wave of emotions.
I want to experience Umineko again for the first time.
>and it fooled me into believing Ange would have a satisfying conclusion
Ange's ending was probably about as satisfying as could be expected considering her situation.

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>>33441139
>Ange's ending was probably about as satisfying as could be expected considering her situation

I strongly disagree

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>>33441130
Probably stuffed inside a bin in some alleyway behind some rich Tokyo hospital

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>>33441148
Why? Ange moves on with her life and chooses to keep the catbox of Rokkenjima shut and becomes a successful best-selling author using concepts and themes she learned from her life, while supporting an orphanage of kids like her. It's a sweet ending for Ange overall.

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So what's your opinion on Gou?
Is it worth getting into if I don't have enough free time to watch everything I'd like?

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>>33441280
>Is it worth getting into if I don't have enough free time to watch everything I'd like?
Nope.

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>>33441130
dead

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>>33441280
It is not very good.

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>>33441280
You have to read the bible then Higurashi then Umineko then Ciconia then you can watch it

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>>33440657
Wow. Gay.

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>>33441280
If you've read Higurashi, Umineko and Ciconia you might as well watch it. If not, go read them since they're much better then watch Gou.

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>>33441321
You don't have to read the entire Bible to read Relevations. Book of Relevations mostly stands on its own.

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>>33441280
It tries to balance out its pacing issues and lack of narrative subtlety in places where it sorely needs it with TWEESTS and ebin WTCverse tie ins crammed everywhere. As much as it gets hyped on 4chan, I don't think it really needed to exist or that it's very good.

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>>33441280
And Scooby Doo

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WTC cinematic universe in the flesh

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>>33441358
>and ebin WTCverse tie ins crammed everywhere
I mean you say this, but it really doesn't. There's Featherine, a KeroPoyo doll, and a few lines at the start of the latest episode.

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>>33441389
wow wtf

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>>33441207
No, she lives alone until old age, denying the truth (rejecting the knowledge of truth she got from Eva's diary because it's painful to her). That's what accepting ''magic'' means, that's ''keeping the catbox untouched''.

I would prefer the ''bad'' ending be: Ange decides to stay together with her family on Rokkenjima and dying with them, after Battler takes her there. Then they all reach the goldan land together. It would be ambiguous if, in reality, she commited suicide jumping off the skyscraper or if we are seeing a fragment where Ange didn't get sick and actually went with them to the island in 1986, something like that.

The good ending would be her accepting the love of her family, dysfunctional as they were, AND accepting the painful, harsh truth. I don't know the details, but that had to be the foundation.

'Without love it cannon be seen' should not be equivalent to 'without cope it cannot be seen'.

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>>33435937
Every game is just a simulation, games played by anomalous spinal cords connected to the system. The witches obtained power within the system and are using people as their pieces, or maybe they are just fooling around from the outside.

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I need this Satoko in my life

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>>33439910
A very cute and wholesome post.

But... I thought about it too much and couldn't enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fall into this trap, but I'd be deathly worried of her getting pregnant at so young age. I don't want Satoko to suffer any more trauma, mental or physical. For one, the baby would be underweight because this Satoko is so small. What if there's a stillbirth? Or some other complications that would make her feel inadequate as a mother? The childbirth would also be really hard and dangerous for her.
I'll gladly become Satoko's doting husband and let her practice babymaking any time she wants, but the condoms must stay intact for a couple of years, until her body grows strong and big enough for safe childbirth!

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>>33441597
Don't worry, have you seen how wide her hips are? Childbirth will be easy.

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>>33441597
Don't you go bringing your realism into my autistic fantasies about fictional 11-year-olds.

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>>33441398
That is heavy cram in

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>>33441664
Do you not think about Satoko's well-being first and foremost? Do you not overthink it constantly? Would you not protect her happiness with everything you have... and more? Are you a true Nii-Nii? The kind worthy of Satoko's love?

Or are you really... a coward?

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So Adult Hanyuu was referencing the Schrodinger's cat or something when she said her power isn't as limited as the cat's?

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>>33441799
She was referring to her own cats which are heroes from other stories and maybe all loopers.

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>>33438602
Sorry, but I only want to bully Sayo with my dick, though I suppose some humiliation play where she is reminded of her subhumanity would also be fine from time to time, but only if followed with healing.

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>>33441438
I know it's a meme at this point but you're unironically viewing the entire situation without love. You're taking Ange's happy life in the end where she has overcome her earlier trauma of her entire family being horrifically murdered, along with her painful relationship with Eva and her loneliness and changed her life around. Rather than being the gloomy child soldier doggedly pursuing the one true truth of Rokkenjima who would have turned into a cold logical killer as we see in the Trick ending, she has settled down into her dream job and occupation of being a writer for children's stories and started up the Fukuin House orphanage again, and helps Tohya find peace with his own internal conflict over the personality of Battler. In the end she's surrounded by people she loves and is doing what she enjoys while being an undeniably happy and content person, and you've discarded all of this to proclaim that she's actually just a lonely old woman.
>The good ending would be her accepting the love of her family, dysfunctional as they were, AND accepting the painful, harsh truth.
She does accept the painful harsh truth that her family are dead and they're never ever coming back, but that doesn't mean she's descended completely into escapist fantasises. In fact she explicitly rejects these escapist fantasies because magical illusions aren't enough to cope and deal with grief. The point of the magic ending was that while Ange accepts the truth, truth in and of itself isn't some axiomatically good thing that we should all value above all else, otherwise we turn into cold and calculating intellectual rapists like Erika. Ange doesn't need to know the exact truth of Rokkenjima, she doesn't need to know that her family on that day were horrific monsters who all killed each other over money and she can hold onto that hope that her family were better people than they were during Rokkenjima Massacre. We see the alternate timelines where Ange does learn the truth, and she ends up throwing herself off the building rather than living a happy and fulfilling life. In this case, what use is Ange learning about the exact details of the murder and letting it dictate her entire life to the point of suicide?

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>>33441799
She's making a reference to folklore, where cats are often said to have nine lives

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>>33441907
Honestly George is a fat fuck incel and in no position to do that.

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>>33441799
>>33441856
>>33441939
Are we memeing here and I'm fucking retarded or am I reading too deep into it? Isn't it a reference to Rika's loops not being able to remember her death at the start and calling her the cat is a reference to Bern?

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>>33441978
That is the red herring.

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>>33441978
We are memeing here. Take it easy.

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>>33441438
You're right about that being the "ideal" outcome for Ange, but I think resolving the dichotomy that was misses the point of the magic v truth dichotomy: Often people can't form that kind of synthesis. They're not emotionally capable of protecting their heart without denying the truth, or accepting the truth without tearing their heart into shreds. When that isn't the case, there's no dilemma.

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>>33441696
It's a single character whose name isn't used and like four lines of dialogue. And a background toy in a store. How is that heavy cram in.

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>>33442013
This is the red herring.

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>>33442030
Okay, you got me. Here.
The true nature of everything.

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>>33442013
dumb ghostwriter

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>>33441978
Rikka is not a cat though

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>>33442058
Can you prove that?

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>>33442058
Who is Rikka?

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>>33441943
t. jessica

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>>33442068
Rikka fellatio

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>>33442068
MY K IS FUCKKED UP AND I FORGET TO ERASE EXTRAS KS I'M SORRY

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>>33442073
>>33442083
Weird joke, Joe.

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>>33442043
>What a fool you are, Satoko. I'm a God, How can you kill a God? What a grand and intoxicating innocence! How can you be so naive?

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>>33441913
I understand your point of view here, anon, but I can't bring myself to agree. Ange's piece of mind and happiness is built on the foundation of ignoring reality to a certain degree, that much is clear, and I can't support that. I'm not saying that truth alone is everything that matters, but any healthy decision starts with acknowledging the truth and doing the best with it. Would a real person really be able to lead a happy life like that, or at some point your brain would reject the false reality you created for yourself? You can't lie to yourself forever, at some point reality takes its price. There is an interesting parallel with Maria here. She used her magic to escape reality and reject the idea that her mother was leaving her alone to go on vacation with men, even when evidence started pilling up. At some point Maria would grow up and be unable to reject the obvious truth and she would snap. That is not healthy. Escapism is never healthy. That's why I can't accept that Ange had a happy life on a foundation of escapism (and that's my biggest problem with Umineko as a whole).

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>>33442103
DATEBAYO

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>>33441907
Sex with Yasu would just be depressing.

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Did Satoko even actually ask for Rika's help in studying and fitting in in this second chance she gave to the whole St. Lucia deal? Because I find it actually pretty hard to sympathise with her if I don't actually see her putting effort into making things work there or see Rika actually going out of her way to not help
>>33442126
Isn't all sex depressing? Or at leas extremly anxiety inducing?

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>>33442015
Is accepting our powerlessness to fight against painful truths really a positive message for a piece of work? Is saying ''escapism is OK because you're emotionally weak'' a good message? I'm sorry, anon, but I refuse this type of philosophy.

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>>33442135
She did even before entering the school and this "Rika" ignore it.

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There is NOTHING WRONG with being a brain in a jar. In fact, it's a good thing. In fact, you should look forward to it. In fact, you should be grateful to those giving you this opportunity. It's not a "factory hell" but a factory heaven.

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>>33442156
You'd be right if humans were rational agents, but we're just animals at the end of the day.
I have a few coping mechanisms for counter-balancing patterns I developed over my teenage years, and I'm doing quite well by not unnecessarily opening up old wounds to try and "fix" things that can't be fixed. People who ignore their limits aren't more rational, they needlessly torture themselves out of pride.

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Is Lilja popular on japanese chans?

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>>33442305
I think her appeal is strictly memetic. do the Japanese know about spurdo?

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>>33442135
You could take it in a few different ways. Satoko is more concerned about being with her than getting this sort of help. Rika comes across in their last exchange as condescending although one of her friends says she's worried sick about Satoko's "sad state". There's two different perspectives that don't work all that well. Satoko struggles, but her biggest struggle is what she perceives as Rika transforming into someone else. Rika doesn't even think of that at all.

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This arc basically summarizes why women shouldn't study and should stay dumb and cute

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>>33442119
Will Lambda be able to defeat her this time?

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>>33442364
Isn't Featherine like the strongest fictional character in existence since Budha?

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Every character in Ciconia is a 34.

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>>33442299
A certain level of escapism is not life-destroying in most cases, but in Ange's particular case it was about a huge trauma that took her will to live. It's important to deal carefully with something on that level. In reality, escapism would only work temporarily and make things even worse in the future.

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>>33442422
>In reality
You mean the way Ange's situation is portrayed doesn't seem believable to you? Or that it doesn't apply to different scenarios? What took Ange's will to live away was the 'fact' that she was isolated and didn't have any reason to go into the future, not the fantasy that her family is waiting for her on the other side.

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heh

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>>33442502
I meant to say that is unrealistic to portray Ange as having lived an emotionally stable, happy and fulfilling life on the foundation of self-delusion and escapism. Real life is not like that, and this is a terrible message to portray. Ange was suicidal because she believed her current situation, being lonely, was immutable. I think a more positive message would be to have her understand that she was loved by her family (and maybe one day would meet them again in the golden land, aka the after life) and she could still live a happy life being loved by other people. Amakusa could be made into a foundation for that (but Ryukishi chose to leave their relationship open ended at the end).

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Bern-sama..

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>>33442115
>any healthy decision starts with acknowledging the truth and doing the best with it.
I completely agree, but this is what Ange does. At the start she puts up a front and says she'll accept the truth no matter what, but inside Ange still believes that there is some way for her family to come back. The ending is Ange accepting the truth that her family is dead and buried and is her moving on with her life, not letting the events of Rokkenjima dictate her future. The message isn't that Ange should lie to herself forever and that self-delusion is okay, the message is that Ange doesn't need to know the cold hard logical truth of the matter because it has no value or purpose. Ange needs to accept the truth that the Rokkenjima Massacre was the death of her family because it's a defining point of her life and she can't move away from it until she accepts it, but she doesn't need to know the exact specifics of how her family died because all it would do is hurt her.
What's the point of a truth without purpose? If a purposeless truth exists and learning it would do nothing but harm me or drive me to suicide then is that truth really worth knowing?

>At some point Maria would grow up and be unable to reject the obvious truth and she would snap. That is not healthy. Escapism is never healthy.
Agreed, the point of Maria is that her escapism is just childish fantasy of illusions, it's not Maria taking a stance rooted in reality which is why her Mariage Sorciere crumbles to bits as soon as somebody refuses to recognise magic. Maria's fantasy is not shown to be a good way of dealing with grief. Her coping mechanism can be immediately invalidated by other people, she's escaping into a pure fantasy. Ange's approach in the end is the one that works best, or at least R07 believes it is. A "healthy amount" of escapism you could say. She moves on, becomes a better person, acknowledges reality, but still has hope that her family were good people in spite of everything.

>That's why I can't accept that Ange had a happy life on a foundation of escapism (and that's my biggest problem with Umineko as a whole).
Ange's happy life isn't built on the foundation of escapism, it's a mix of accepting the truth and being grounded in reality but living on with hope in her heart and not letting horrific events define her. Umineko is a story in which broken people deal with shit events dealt to them in life in various ways, with a healthy amount of escapism being portrayed as a totally okay thing. In the same way a family member visiting a grave and laying flowers and speaking at their grave is a way of escapism, you can choose to view it without love in the most cold and logical way and say it's just them speaking to a stone that can't hear them or something, but a person with love could view it as a form of closure that brings you comfort and happiness. Just like Ange moving on and deciding not to open the catbox of October 6th 1986 is a form of closure for her.

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>>33437584
I wish I could remember my dreams. I know I must've dreamed of Satoko recently.

It's silly, not remembering your dreams. I used to practice lucid dreaming a long time ago. Got good enough to get into lucid state any night I wanted... but I never managed to improve my dream recall to reliable levels. So I dropped that hobby right after doing permanent damage to my circadian rhythm.

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>>33442633
Dumb cat

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>>33442297
Fuck off, brainboy

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>>33442297
Ok but could I be put in like a female jar? I wish I was a girl but I'm stuck in a male body so if at least I got put into a female jar I could live with that

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>>33442721
what's the difference between a male jar and a female jar

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>>33442645
I remember either shitty or bad dreams. I had a dream about Rudolf being a big bastard recently. Also, my aunt died yesterday and 2 days ago I had the same dream I always have before someone dies, of pelicans chasing me. It's awful. I wish I couldn't dream that specifically.

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>>33442737
Pink fluid or pink glass or something I guess? Maybe some cute decorations on the female one

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>>33442755
>>33442737
>>33442721

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Reminder ryukishi writes characters that are very flawed and human and tend to misunderstand each other and make very basic mistakes, along with thinking they're right when they're not

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>>33442737
The female jar has slightly cloudy glass.

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>>33442639
Yeah but Ange only acknowledges parts of reality, while denying the worst parts. She acknowledges that her family is not coming back so she can have closure, but she tries to ''un-learn'' the truth about her family being extremely dysfunctional and fighting (and maybe even killing each other) for money (we don't know what is written in Eva's diary after all, but Ange does). How does that work? How is that anything other than self-delusion? I don't think this ''healthy amount of escapism'' exists and can sustain itself indefinitely. I also don't like the idea of equating self-delusion with faith. Having faith is believing in an unknown possibility (like the idea that her family is waiting for her in an after life), while self-delusion is intentionally making yourself believe in something you know for a fact to be false (like trying to un-learn the truth she discovered in Eva's diary).

I don't think my views on this lack love, and I'm all for an ending that involved Ange developing faith in good things in a healthy way, but as I said, faith and self-delusion are different things.

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wtf, glass sea foreshadowing in onikakushi

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>>33442897
That is clearly a Donnie Darko reference and it will be important in Gou.
Satoko died with the collapsing house during the snowstorm. Screencap this.

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>>33442984
No she fucking didn't

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>>33442888
We don't know if Ange actually read the diary or not. Due to all the various levels of meta realities going on we see events like Ange opening the diary and reading it and not being able to cope, and then killing herself, but we obviously know that in Episode 8 Ange hasn't read the diary and has kept the catbox closed specifically because she decides not to kill herself and she doesn't turn around in the end. Her seeing what's inside the diary is just meant to show us that Ange genuinely cannot handle the truth, while also giving the readers an answer to what actually happened.

The whole thing is Ange choosing not to become a 'child soldier' and pursue the whole truth of everything, but instead decide to move on. Not like, Ange's adventures of self-delusion where she forgets things she knows to be a fact.

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>>33442984
Satoko died when she entered the storehouse and the statue of Oyashiro-sama collapsed on her, everything afterwards including the loops is just a delusion. Screencap this.

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>>33443188
hot

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>>33443139
If that's the case it's just as bad in a different way. In your interpretation, Ange had the diary right in front of her but decides to ignore it, to ignore the truth. Reading the diary, finding the truth and dealing with it is not the same as turning into a 'child soldier', forever searching for a truth she could never reach.

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>>33443188
Very hot

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>>33442897
>>33442914
>>33442984
Yeah, 2 screenshot got separated, so I'm talking about the second one

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>>33443157
>>33443246
The statue looks more realistic screencap this one instead.

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>>33443188
This is the true ending after both fight thousands of loops.

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>>33443228
I don't think Ange has her diary, right? It's Tohya and Ikuko in the end who get the diary as soon as Eva dies because Eva wants to keep the truth away from Ange. And the metaphor of her turning into a child soldier is her turning into an Erika-like person who lets a single event define their entire life and pursues a cold logical truth that ends up causing her destruction. It's why she goes on her little adventures to Rokkenjima with Amakusa.

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Stop my heart can't take these goth JK mesugaki

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>>33443139
But I want to see globetrotting child soldier Ange. That's way cooler and more magical than a stupid dinky child's book author.

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>>33443332
Globetrotting child soldier Ange either ends up as a particularly obese pile of mush being scraped off the floor of the Ushiromiya Group tower by a depressed salaryman, or in the more literal definition ends up with her trying to snark and quip her way out of a Jihadi prisoner of war camp somewhere in Afghanistan.

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>>33443303
I believe she had access to the diary but makes the decision not to read it. I might be misremembering it, thou. I understand the parallel Ryukishi is trying to make here with Erika, and the speech of Amakusa about child soldiers that ties it all together, but that's just how the author decided to frame things. We're not obligated to agree and accept his own personal views and ideas. In fact, this is what bothers me, that this ended up being the overarching message of the story, portrayed in a positive light by the author's framing.

What if Erika was right and her boyfriend WAS cheating on her? If he really had that much evidence, it's a possibility. Is Ryukishi implying that the correct thing for her to do was to ignore it and live in self-delusion, like Maria does with Rosa? I'm gonna give R07 the benefit of the doubt here and interpret this as the two extremes we should reject and avoid: on one hard Erika and her cynicism and paranoia, on the other, Maria with her coping mechanism of self-delusion.

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>>33439436
That's a really cute evil beatrice!
Shoto Battora uuuwwwwwoooooooohhhhhhhh

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>>33439771
Love miyao so much!

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Why did Kumasawa not have a One-Winged Eagle Crest? One would think she'd be trustworthy enough to wear it, considering how much she knew regarding Kinzo and Beatrice.

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>>33443480
She has it
It's on her _______

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>>33443389
She makes the decision not to read it, but it's in the context of the meta-world. The only real world scene we see of Eva's diary is when Ikuko decides not to reveal the truth of the diary to all of the journalists. I don't think Ange ever actually had possession of the diary and explicitly read it, it was all just weird meta metaphors for Ange's potential journeys and what ifs.
>We're not obligated to agree and accept his own personal views and ideas. In fact, this is what bothers me, that this ended up being the overarching message of the story, portrayed in a positive light by the author's framing.
You're not obligated to agree with the overarching message and having the opinion that escapism is just inherently bad is a totally okay thing. I just disagree with your initial framing of Ange's life where to paint her as like a lonely old woman who has resorted into escapism when she's pretty clearly happy, and escapism is shown in a pretty nuanced light as opposed to like a purely bad or good light. It's not like a pro-escapism thing, it's a if you think the truth will literally kill you then maybe the truth isn't so valuable thing.

>on one hard Erika and her cynicism and paranoia, on the other, Maria with her coping mechanism of self-delusion.
That's basically my take from it as well, Maria's coping isn't presented as a healthy thing that should be emulated - and while Erika's boyfriend probably did cheat on her, Erika's antics of crushing little girls' magic dreams so she can jerk herself off isn't exactly the best approach either.

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>>33443188

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>>33443664
>It's like she was looking at walking garbage
Perfect.

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>>33443829
So she was looking at Satoko LMAO

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>>33443839
Feeling is mutual. It's like poetry.

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>>33442914
The glass sea being caused by an ACCIDENT and not WWIII would be interesting. That A3W governments are covering it up is really strange though. Then we've got all the alien nanomachine rods in orbit...
Did an alien colony ship crash land on Earth?
That fits with Hanyuu's story, spiritium would be the high energy fragments of their reactors or fuel storage.
All the scifi shit is actually reverse engineered alien technology, AKA Wisdom.

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>>33443635
My point was less that Ange was actually a sad, old woman and more that her being happy and fulfilled didn't feel believable to me, taking everything into consideration.

>She makes the decision not to read it, but it's in the context of the meta-world.
I don't know what's reality and what's meta-reality for sure in this case, but I'm pretty sure that makes no difference in regard to Ryukishi portraying Ange's decision to ignoring the truth to keep ''the catbox sealed'' as a positive thing, be it literal or meta.

I think R07 made a perfect parallel of the two bad extremes with Erika and Maria, and he could have made Ange to be the sensible one as someone who rejects both extremes and chooses a healthy path instead. In my opinion that's not exactly what happens in the end because Ange's philosophy ended up a bit too close to Maria's, and the author's framing felt a bit off to me. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on some points, anon. I understand your perspective, and I don't think it's absurd or anything, it's just slightly different from mine.

All things considered I still enjoy Umineko very much.

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>>33443280
>>33443188
>>33443664
Bernkastel and Lambdadelta are just their evolution into gothic lolita fashion after they became too advanced to be plain goths.

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>>33443480
Unlike Genji, she's not furniture

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>>33443985
When they gonna evolve to menhera fashion?

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>>33443979
In other words, at best she's "happy" like Maria was, by deluding herself and ignoring reality. And, like Maria, if she's ever forced to face reality, she'll break.

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>>33443999
>menhera
Way ahead of you.

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>>33444015
Yeah, that's my view basically. It's not believable that Ange was never forced to face reality through all those years, self-delusion as a coping mechanism is not sustainable in the long run.

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I don't remember where this sprite.
Where was it exactly used?

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>>33444056
In my sex dreams probably because psycho Rosa wish a shotgun is hot. God I would date Rosa and even take responsability and raise her autistic daughter

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>>33443985
Yea imagine being just a phase then they realise what they actually were looking for.

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>>33443471
Your stupid post made me want to replay SMT IV again.

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>>33444093
Good

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>>33444073
>even take responsability and raise her autistic daughter

let's not get crazy here

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>>33444132
I would, I have an autistic friend I know how to deal with them

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Boning the Kei-chan

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>>33444141
To be fair Maria could probably get way less autistic with a stable, loving family. Just be sure to keep Rosa in line ok?

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>>33443979
>and more that her being happy and fulfilled didn't feel believable to me, taking everything into consideration.
Why? Ange chooses to accept that the murders happened and live on believing that her family were still good people. It's a coping mechanism for grief, but since Rokkenjima is a catbox that can't be opened and she isn't deluding herself into believing that her family will actually come back she can move on and not let Rokkenjima define her. It's like a mother not prying into the particular details of how their child was brutally murdered or something, it's a horrible event and they'll always be sad about it. But I don't think they need to know the gruesome details about how their child was tortured to death in particular to live a happy life later on. Because truth is not a good end in itself.
>he could have made Ange to be the sensible one as someone who rejects both extremes and chooses a healthy path instead
That's what R07 was trying to get across, the VN just doesn't handle it as well as it could have. But like, Ange rejecting Maria's way of living and Maria's fragile reality being shattered definitely isn't meant to be something Ange emulates as a good thing.

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Tomitakesama (Modo del shota)

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Yeah, but aliens though? Really? Aliens?

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>>33444513
What's wrong with Aliens? Most of the stuff that happens in all games is explained through that

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>>33444056
Turn
I specifically remember it being used when Rosa, Maria and Battler are the only ones alive, a witch's letter is placed in the parlor and Rosa suspects Battler because of it.

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>>33442380
....Let not talk about the guy who gave the blind idiot a heart attack in the name of JUSTICE!

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>>33444056
I just want one damn sex dream involving Rosa. Just one.

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20210315

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wtfff miyao!!!! no..

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>>33444426
Well, refusing to look into the catbox to discover the truth (if that's something that is actually possible for 1998 Ange) is not the same as avoiding the gruesome details of a tragedy. Knowing if your parents are murderers and responsible for the trauma that defined your life up until that point is pretty relevant, right? Ange is not obligated to learn every detail (like how they killed every family member), but she can't run from the truth and expect to live with no consequences, that's not how the human mind works. A real person would not be able to hold that forever. Imagine waking up every day in doubt about your parents being decent people or cold-blooded murderers? imagine not being able to suppress the desire that someone might've survived? and then imagine that those answers are right there in front of you, you just have to look.

>That's what R07 was trying to get across, the VN just doesn't handle it as well as it could have.
if that's the case, then he really messed things up, in my opinion.

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Wait, didn't Ange reject Eva's diary specifically because she wanted to keep alive the faint hope that someone from her family might have survived? Then at the end her wish finally comes true, but not really (since Tohya is not Battler anymore).

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I just realize something; LambdaDelta Satoko is her full name.

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>>33444845
Big if true

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>>33444877
Satoko makes me big if you know what I mean.

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Only read Higurashi and Umineko so far I was waiting for Ciconia to be finished to start it, but was the stuff "Totally not Featherine trust me guys" said at the beginning of the episode in reference to some Ciconia characters? That stuff about Vier and the other thing I forgot cause it was pretty long

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>>33444896
It was.

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>>33444457
>Forma de Puto

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>>33445123
I was expecting the Umineko connections but really wasn't ready for that

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>>33444754
>Knowing if your parents are murderers and responsible for the trauma that defined your life up until that point is pretty relevant, right?
Not really, because again Ange learning about the tragedy won't fix anything. All it does is kill her. The only way her life substantially changes if she pursues the truth is that she kills herself.

>A real person would not be able to hold that forever
I don't want to sound rude, but I think you're projecting yourself onto humans at large. People not pursuing the truth out of fear of what they'll find is something that happens all the time. I imagine if we somehow objectively proved that God doesn't exist, there would be a large group of religious people who wouldn't go out of their way to uncover it because being religious brings them more joy and happiness than not being religious. Or for a more grounded analogy that's relevant to Rokkenjima, family overlooking the crimes of family. If people are willing to go this far, Ange deciding not to look into the specifics of what happened on Rokkenjima and just moving on from horrific past events rather than being caught up in it really isn't that unrealistic.

>>33444805
When Ange speaks of keeping them alive it's in a metaphorical sense of keeping them "alive in her heart". She totally accepts that her family is dead in reality, but as long as she lives her family is "alive" in her heart. Sappy stuff, but you get the point. She's not out here searching for Jooji in the all-you-can-eat buffet she frequents.

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>>33445250
The fact that Ange chooses to look away is not unrealistic in itself, that's very human, like you said. But framing that decision as wise and correct, and having no negative repercussions, that's what I can't stomach. She can't do anything to change the past, but she can get closure and move forward with her life. It could even help her completely recontextualize her relationship with Eva. You're treating the truth as some sort of lovecraftian revelation. Knowledge of the truth won't automatically kill Ange, if she changed her perspective a little bit, she would be able to handle the truth and make something positive out of that. Instead, she chooses to ignore the truth and live on the basis of a comfortable illusion.

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>>33444632
YES.

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>>33445163
It's not r07's style to tell things right away or even tell them at all. But, even if Ciconia so different from Higurashi and Umineko and people didn't expect much references, they should not forget that Ciconia is WTC for a reason.

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>>33445472
I wasn't expecting it mostly cause it isn't finished yet, I do expect them to be connected but not such a reference in Gou

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>>33445374
It's not about it being a wise and correct choice, it's about it being the correct choice for Ange in the particular situation she is in. She does all of that, getting closure, moving forward, recontexualising her relationship with Eva, by accepting the truth that her family is dead. There's no need for her to find out the specifics of what happened on Rokkenjima and who brutally murdered who for Ange, because we know what happens to her when she takes that path. She doesn't get closure, she self-destructs.

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>>33445565
Sure, because that's how Ryukishi wrote the script. I'm just saying that (1)it's not believable and (2)it's not a positive, moral message to get across in your story.

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>>33445599
It is believable, it's a message that's been around forever. Oedipus Rex is a story, thousands of years old, where one of the messages was that there are some truths you're better off not knowing.

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>>33445630
Always thought it was about how all males hate their dads because they actually love their moms sexually

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>>33445599
>(1)it's not believable
You said this before, but it's entirely believable. It's something that is both in-character for Ange to do and something that happens in real life.
>(2)it's not a positive, moral message to get across
I think "there are various ways of dealing with grief, root yourself in reality but don't pursue truth so much that it kills you" is a pretty decent moral message to get across.

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>>33445630
I don't think being an old message automatically validates it. What can I say, anon? I simply don't agree with the message and strongly believe it to be dangerous and harmful to anyone that takes it seriously.

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>>33445669
>You said this before, but it's entirely believable. It's something that is both in-character for Ange to do and something that happens in real life.
in character for Ange? yes. Happens in real life? absolutely. Leads to a happy, fulfilling, emotionally stable life? Highly questionable.

>I think "there are various ways of dealing with grief, root yourself in reality but don't pursue truth so much that it kills you" is a pretty decent moral message to get across.
In real life things like that tend to delay suicide for a short amount of time, not lead to a happy life.

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>>33445683
You should note that I was specifically addressing your claim that it's not believable there.
As for it being harmful, I think that you should give it more thought with regard to various circumstances in life. Suppose that you're Japanese police who've arrested the people who murdered Furuta Junko and they fully video taped everything they did. Should you show those video tapes to her parents?

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>>33445705
It's Rika's fault for being happy and succesful in a new envinroment. How dare her not suffer to fit in like Satoko?

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>>33445792
Why is Satoko incapable of leaving Rika behind. Every human develops the feeling of wanting to move on from something, right?

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Ep 22. Pvs leaked.
https://moca-news.net/article/20210228/2021022812000b_/01/

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???
PVs are already out?

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>>33445728
I mean Ange's situation is a bit unique because it's not often that people's families are brutally murdered and they have the opportunity to uncover the truth before the police do but like, yeah, people can choose not to doggedly pursue the truth at the expense of their own mental health all the time. Again, a person who decides not to look into the specifics of the existence of God, or the specifics of how their child was murdered might not be looking for the whole truth, but they'll definitely be more emotionally stable and happy than someone who does.

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>>33445837
>Takano, Okonogi, and Featherine
prepare yourselves lads

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>>33445744
>Suppose that you're Japanese police who've arrested the people who murdered Furuta Junko and they fully video taped everything they did. Should you show those video tapes to her parents?
Well, of course not, but I wouldn't keep the truth from them either. The parents have the right to know the truth, it's not up to me to decide for them. All I can do is to try having tact and empathy, starting with some way of telling them that their daughter was violently killed (which is unavoidable anyway).

Think about the exact opposite situation: when a family member goes missing (specially little kids) and the parents are in deep despair. After months of agony, most of them will tell you they want to know the truth, even if their kid is dead, so they can have a funeral and get some closure. Not knowing just kills the parents slowly, its torture.

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>>33445874
You're conflating what's going on here, anon. Ange knows her family is dead and has accepted that, and then decides that she doesn't need to know the exact specific details of what went down. Your example isn't accurate to the situation. To look at the previous example, the choice is about the video tapes which contain every minute detail, not between knowing whether she's dead or not.

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>>33445854
Again, it's not about torturing yourself with the specifics, with every cruel detail, it's about knowing the general truth and building a healthy basis to start getting some closure and a new direction in life.

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>>33445927
That's exactly what Ange does, she doesn't torture herself with the specifics of every cruel detail. All she needs to know is the general truth that her family is dead and move on. She doesn't need to know that Kyrie walked up to Jessica and beat her to death with the butt of her gun until her face was an unrecognisable mush before walking over to Maria and blowing her little brains out across the wall, before being shot by Eva and admitting with her dying breath that she had always hated Ange and thought of her as nothing but a chain that bound Rudolf to her.

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>>33445895
The truth I was referring was the who dunnit, anon. Even if she accepts that no one from her family is coming back, she can't face the truth about the culprit because it will probably sully the image she has about someone she loves (be it her direct family, Eva, os someone else on the island). That is self-delusion because she's keeping alive the idea that everyone in her family, everyone she loves is innocent. As long as she doesn't open the cat box, they are all innocent (of murder at the very least).

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>>33445964
By actively choosing not to read the diary she's keeping alive a comfortable illusion because she's afraid of what she might discover. That fear will not go away just because of that, nothing has changed. The artificial delusion that everyone was innocent and everyone loved her is more than not wanting to know unnecessary details, is self-delusion, because it required a proactive action.

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Haha, Rika's never going to St. Lucia in at least one fragment.

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>>33445988
The family being dead is the important part for Ange. Going beyond that won't help her, it won't improve her life, it won't make anything better for her. It's not self-delusion to recognize this.

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>>33446045
Her family loving her was pretty important too.

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>>33446038
It does go away though, we know that if Ange moves on from Rokkenjima and doesn't pursue the truth she gets a happy ending, whereas if she doesn't move on and continues trying to find the truth she doesn't get a happy ending.
>because it required a proactive action
No, it requires her to just accept that her family are dead and move on. The proactive action is Ange going on a big quest for the one singular truth that she can't handle and letting the search for truth consume her.

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Should I expect shit to hit the fan soon like Higurashi and Umineko or does it stay at this pace for a while?

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>>33446119
The mid part of Ciconia drags on and on and on and on in my opinion. I hope that you enjoy reading about plucking the sprouts of war and how old men are trying to use the young.

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>>33446119
Shit starts hitting the fan at the very end, but it won't start spraying until Phase 2.

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>>33446116
I know she gets a ''happy ending'', my point is that happy ending is not believable and is not founded on a good, moral message (but it's clearly framed as if it was).

The proactive step I was refering to had nothing to do with accepting everyone is dead and won't come back, is about refusing to have knowledge of the who dunnit because it will necessarily sully the imagine of someone she loves. They can't ALL be innocent (and if Ange believed otherwise she would have no fear of knowing the truth). At first she wanted Eva to be the culprit, but when she progressed on her character development and started pitying Eva, she unconsciously wanted for them all to be innocent. Since (a)someone has to be the culprit and (b)she doesn't want to acknowledge anyone as the culprit, refusing to know the truth to keep alive the fantasy that they are all innocent IS self-delusion, anon. No way around that.

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>>33435937
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nUvq-bHTc8

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>>33446135
Yeah, the amount of times they've used the words "young people" in the first few hours is astonishing
>>33446144
Ahh, I see
Well it seems interesting so far at least

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>>33446241
You keep bringing up that it's not believable before just skipping over the believable real life examples where Ange's situation is applicable and people go on to live generally happy lives, same with the moral message. How is "root yourself in reality but don't pursue truth so much that it kills you" not a pretty good moral message?

>is about refusing to have knowledge of the who dunnit because it will necessarily sully the imagine of someone she loves
Refusing to actively pursue knowledge isn't a proactive step, it's literally the opposite of a proactive step because Ange isn't going out of her way to find the knowledge. Ange is continuing on with her life in a normal manner and has accepted reality and lives a happy life for it.

>refusing to know the truth to keep alive the fantasy that they are all innocent IS self-delusion
It's her not pursuing a truth that has no value to her that will only objectively harm her and drive her to suicide. She doesn't need to know what happened because truth isn't valuable in itself. Who cares who murdered who on Rokkenjima? It's a closed catbox, everyone who was on Rokkenjima is dead, nobody needs to answer for anything because the culprit is dead, all the victims are dead. All that's left of the Ushiromiya family is Ange, and Ange has the opportunity to tear her life apart pursuing some useless truth that will kill her, or move on with her life and let the catbox remain closed.

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>>33446330
Non-edited song is kinda cool wtf.

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>>33446415
Her proactive step doesn't have to be physical, it's in fact intellectual, the effort she makes to delude herself into the (impossible) fantasy that everyone is innocent as long as she doesn't open the box.

>How is "root yourself in reality but don't pursue truth so much that it kills you" not a pretty good moral message?
it's more like ''root yourself in reality unless that reality might be tough to swallow. In that case skip over the inconvenient, yet highly relevant, questions''. The real, positive transformation for Ange's character would be a change of mindset so she could handle the truth, not to choose ignorance and self-delusion. Just accepting that you're emotionally weak and should give up is the most anti-human spirit message you can possibly get across.

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>>33446500
Highly relevant to what? It doesn't matter. Have you ever read about actual cases where people have lost their entire families in a sudden tragedy? The human mind isn't invincible, you're not "emotionally weak" if you can't handle something that horrible. The only way to get past something like that is to get past it, not to dwell on it.

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>>33446542
I wasn't advocating for the idea of dwelling forever on it, I was just saying some ways of achieving closure are healthier than others.

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>>33446500
>it's in fact intellectual, the effort she makes to delude herself into the (impossible) fantasy that everyone is innocent as long as she doesn't open the box.
That's not what it is, she's not making a proactive step intellectually at all anymore than you're making a proactive step intellectually to not know Quantum Physics. She just doesn't know. The catbox is an unanswerable question because Ange doesn't know what happened, therefore the possibility that everyone is innocent and that the Rokkenjima Massacre was just an unfortunate accident relating to the explosives kept underneath Rokkenjima is an entirely possible thing. Ange doesn't need to know what happened on Rokkenjima.

>root yourself in reality unless that reality might be tough to swallow. In that case skip over the inconvenient, yet highly relevant, questions
It's not merely tough to swallow, it's an earth-shattering revelation that would emotionally torture Ange for the rest of her life and drive her to suicide. Which is why she's better off not knowing it and leaving it in the catbox.
>Just accepting that you're emotionally weak and should give up
It's a message emotionally damaged people about coping with grief, you have to acknowledge that human beings have emotions and the best way for them to cope with the events is to just move on. Don't let the horrific massacre define you, move on to other ventures. There is literally no reason why Ange should know the truth at all. Ange isn't emotionally weak for not wanting to know the truth, she's human. She accepts that it happened and moves on. Knowing the particulars isn't relevant.

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>>33446625
>That's not what it is, she's not making a proactive step intellectually at all anymore than you're making a proactive step intellectually to not know Quantum Physics.
Maybe proactive step isn't the right term for it. Let me put it another way: she was searching for the truth, had the answers right in front of her and decided not to know because she wanted to keep alive the illusion that everyone was innocent. At the very least it was a decision she made. She clearly didn't believe the cause of the incident was just some accident, otherwise she would have no reason to avoid reading the diary.

>It's not merely tough to swallow, it's an earth-shattering revelation that would emotionally torture Ange for the rest of her life and drive her to suicide. Which is why she's better off not knowing it and leaving it in the catbox.
I see your point, but then don't say the moral of the story is to ''root yourself in reality''. You can't have it both ways. And selective choosing what information you want to know is hardly ''rooting yourself in reality''.

>It's a message emotionally damaged people about coping with grief, you have to acknowledge that human beings have emotions and the best way for them to cope with the events is to just move on. Don't let the horrific massacre define you, move on to other ventures. There is literally no reason why Ange should know the truth at all. Ange isn't emotionally weak for not wanting to know the truth, she's human. She accepts that it happened and moves on. Knowing the particulars isn't relevant.
I think you're downplaying the truth as unnecessary ''details'' or ''particulars''. Those ''details'' were so important to Ange that meta-Ange got completely mind-broken when Bern revealed them to her. I can understand your point about Ange not being able to handle the truth, I get it. I just don't like that in the end, after all the journey she went through, Ange didn't grow strong enough to handle it and be happy on a better foundation, a foundation of truth.

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>>33446877
I love this little atheist.

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>>33446757
>she was searching for the truth
No, she was searching for what she wanted which was for Eva to be the culprit. She deemed this to be 'the truth' but in reality Ange does not actually want the truth.
>and decided not to know because she wanted to keep alive the illusion that everyone was innocent
She decided to keep the catbox closed, because opening the catbox leads to an unhappy ending where she kills herself.
>She clearly didn't believe the cause of the incident was just some accident, otherwise she would have no reason to avoid reading the diary
She avoids reading the diary because it keeps the catbox closed. She doesn't know who is behind it, and she wants to keep it that way in the endless sea possibilities.

>don't say the moral of the story is to ''root yourself in reality"
It is, Ange explicitly rejects Maria's way of coping because it's fake and not rooted in reality. Remember our entire conversation about Maria's coping mechanism being portrayed as a bad thing earlier? Umineko embraces being rooted in reality.
>And selective choosing what information you want to know is hardly ''rooting yourself in reality''.
Yes, it is. Ange goes from deluding herself into thinking her family will come back one day to acknowledging that her family is dead and living on in spite of it. She chooses not to open the catbox because there's no point in doing it, this doesn't mean she isn't rooted in reality in the same way that a parent doesn't have to watch video recordings of their child being brutally tortured to death for them to be rooted in reality.

>Those ''details'' were so important to Ange that meta-Ange got completely mind-broken when Bern revealed them to her
Yes, and literally kills herself over them. Which is why Ange probably shouldn't know the truth here. They're not relevant to her living a happy life. They ACTIVELY make her life worse.
>didn't grow strong enough to handle it and be happy on a better foundation, a foundation of truth.
I feel like I've said this a thousand times - Ange DOES grow strong and does grow happy on a foundation of truth. At the beginning she is deluding herself into thinking that her family will come back and pursuing the "truth" because she doesn't really care if she lives or dies and just wants to blame it all on Eva. By the end, Ange has accepted that her family have died, chosen not to open the catbox, and has moved on from everything while believing in her family's love for her in her heart.

Ange is a happier and better person overall by the end, and this is rooted on a foundation of truth because she accepts the death of her family and the fact that they're not returning. Her happiness is all that matters here, in the same way that a parent moving on from the death of their child is all they need. They don't need to know whether or not their child was horrifically tortured and suffered before they died. Ange is a much stronger person by the end.

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LEAVE FEATHERINE TO ME

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>>33447019
But can he beat Gilgamesh?

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>>33447028
Most WTC characters would have no issues winning a shitty holy grail war.

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>>33447037
Ok what about Uchiha Madara?

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>>33447019
>memory device
>looper eyes
>gauntlet
>endless sorcerer's cloak
>the bat
HE'S TOO POWERFUL

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>>33447019
Needs cat tail

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>>33447050
Most Naruto characters aren't even that strong...
my dear /a/utist.

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>>33447068
Who else is a meme power level character? I don't do this a lot but I kinda wanted to make some jokes. Gemini Saga?

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Are you ready for your appointment at the local factory, Anonymous?

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>>33447073
Don't actually bring in the power level memers, you are gonna end up summoning a /co/ fragment with Ben 10, DC and Marvel memery.

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>>33447073
I hear our neighbors at the shinza bansho thread have the strongest characters ever.

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>>33447099
Sorry

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>>33447099
WTC has the ultimate powerlevel bullshittery shutdown character though
featherine can just write in the script
"x character dies by shitting and cumming on the floor before fighting featherine"

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I just want Satoko and her friends to be happy, no matter how "kino" the alternatives would be.
Is that such a bad attitude to have?

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But can Featherine beat Power-Man?

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>>33447118
I get you

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>>33447114
>WTC has the ultimate powerlevel bullshittery shutdown character though
But muh Omniverse Ben 10 and his Alien X....

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>>33447118
Get in the fucking jar.

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>>33446968
I feel like we are repeating the same arguments over and over, from both sides.
Consciously choosing to ignore reality (who dunnit) is not ''rooting yourself in reality'', it's the exact opposite to that. You keep using the example of parents that lost their child in a gruesome, violent way not needing to see video evidence of the act, but a more appropriate parallel would be for them refusing to know who did this to him because it was, necessarily, someone from their family and they want to keep a happy memory of the whole family. I don't know why you keep bringing the fact that Ange acknowledges the fact that no one is coming back when I never contested this to begin with. That's not the problem. For all the growth Ange goes through, it wasn't enough to handle the complete truth, some level of self-delusion and escapism was necessary for her, and I hate that Ryukishi wrote things this way. If you look at things carefully, Ange is doing the exact same thing that Maria did, but now there is no one alive to break her illusion. As long as she keeps it to herself, it will never be challenged.

Anon, let's wrap this up, let's just agree to disagree. We have fundamentally different views on what constitutes a healthy, sustainable, moral message regarding the end of Umineko.

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>>33447121
she already did though

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>>33447150
I wish I could have sex with her

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>>33447114
I hate umineko battleboarders so fucking much, you can literally see their underage autism slowly trickling in from the latest gou youtube video comments. It's awful.

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>>33447157
to be fair battleboards are already autistic "my character better than yours" ad nauseam

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>>33447147
So you know, anon, multiple people have been talking with you. I was the one who made the video comparisons before, that anon just referenced it in the one post. Ange is most certainly not doing the same things as Maria, and I feel that you don't understand why that parallel is appropriate. There are some things that many people just can't handle, in the same way that a person can never become physically strong enough to have their bones resist an industrial hydraulic press. Having your family annihilated can be one of those things, there are ample real world examples to fall back on.

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>>33447284
I understand that we all have our limitations, fair enough. But is escapism the only answer?

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>>33447147
>but a more appropriate parallel would be for them refusing to know who did this to him because it was, necessarily, someone from their family and they want to keep a happy memory of the whole family
Well, it wasn't necessarily someone from their family in Ange's case. Because it's a catbox and the entire point of a catbox is that it's an infinite sea of possibilities where anything can happen and Ange doesn't know the details of what happened. You keep trying to narrow down the possibilities of the catbox, which ignores its entire purpose
>I don't know why you keep bringing the fact that Ange acknowledges the fact that no one is coming back when I never contested this to begin with.
Because you keep saying Ange is running away from truth and that implying that she's just falling into escapist fantasies and ignoring reality, when her entire journey is literally the exact opposite of this with her acknowledging reality, the acknowledgment of which allows her to live happily. She doesn't delve into the details of how her family was obliterated, but this particular truth is not relevant. She doesn't need it to be happy, she needs to move on to be happy.
>For all the growth Ange goes through, it wasn't enough to handle the complete truth, some level of self-delusion and escapism was necessary for her
I mean you yourself said earlier that some level of escapism isn't harmful. In a situation like Rokkenjima where there was a horrific event that occurred over a decade ago that tortures Ange to the brink of suicide and the choice is between her living a happy and fulfilling life at the expense of not axiomatically valuing truth and her killing herself at the age of 18 because of horrific events. The first one is better, inarguably.
>you look at things carefully, Ange is doing the exact same thing that Maria did
She's obviously not, Ange speaks about finding the comfortable middle ground between Maria's fantastical escapism and Erika's hard logic and speaks about both as being a bad thing.
>but now there is no one alive to break her illusion. As long as she keeps it to herself, it will never be challenged.
No, this is literally what happens in Episode 8. When Maria's magic is challenged by Ange it breaks apart because at the end of the day it's pure fantasy. When Ange's magic is challenged by Bernkastel, it doesn't. What do you think the point of this was? Why do you think Ange speaks about turning her back on cruel reality and living in purely illusion as being a bad thing?

>let's just agree to disagree. We have fundamentally different views on what constitutes a healthy, sustainable, moral message regarding the end of Umineko
Sure, I really suggest reading the Umineko manga if you haven't already, it clears up the message R07 was trying to tell. It wasn't "escapism and self-delusion is good and there are no downsides to it" because that'd be a kind of fuckin retarded message because nobody unironically believes that.

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>>33447147
Ange has the mindset you speak of for basically all of Umineko, and it only serves to make her miserable and suicidal.
It goes back to Amakusa rambling about how Ange is a child soldier, pursuing who did that to her family and trying to get revenge is pointless for her life. All it does is set her on a bad spiral.
The best possible result for Ange is moving on, because when she keeps thinking about it and trying to find the truth she's consumed by despair.
Her "magic" that she learns to get over it are coping mechanisms and by having them she can lead a somewhat fulfilling existence writing children stories and trying to spread happiness.
She's way better off learning to let go than clinging desperately to it.

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>>33447442
There is a possibility that no one was the culprit and it was all an accident, but Ange clearly doesn't believe that to be true, otherwise there would be no reason to avoid the truth.
Ange acknowledges reality only partially.
I didn't say some level of escapism wasn't harmful, I said in most cases it isn't life-destroying. What I mean was that: the greater the pain you're trying to bury, the more harmful the escapism tend to be. In Ange's case, it's huge.
Selective self-delusion (escapism) can technically be a ''middle ground'' between Erika and Maria, but I never advocated for that. I wanted Ange to reject both of their ideologies. To acknowledge the truth but reach closure and move on with her life. Erika chased the truth but she never got to achieve closure and never moved on, that where they would be very different.
Bernkastel's red truths were never denied, all that changed was Ange's perceptions of said truth.

I intend to read the manga at some point, I keep reading that it's much better at getting the message across, like you just said. All that I've said so far has been about the VN exclusively. I'l l take all that you've said into consideration as I read it. I'll try to keep an open mind and analyze things from scratch. Maybe I'll change my mind. I'll come back here in 3 to 6 months to talk about it again. Thanks for the discussion, but I have to go to sleep now.

<see you again>

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>>33444754
>she can't run from the truth and expect to live with no consequences, that's not how the human mind works. A real person would not be able to hold that forever.
That's completely wrong, you just have to meet more people to realize it.

Humans are extremely good at ignoring things, we can live without thinking about our inevitable future death all the time.

Ignoring problems that you can't do anything about is honestly the way of happiness, or at least, if someone can't do it then he'll just never be happy, the more you are able to do it and the more happiness you'll get.

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>>33447121
But can Featherine beat the dick?

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>>33443280
Disgusting.
>>33443188
>>33443664
Strangely fitting.

Finally I understand everything.

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>>33447150
How would sex with battler feel??

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>>33446044
I wonder how and why that world ended.

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But can Featherine beat my dick? (please)

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how did satoko bring down a chandelier by just snapping her fingers?
must be mysterious person X

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>>33448921
Is this really the Kanon?

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>>33449114
The same way she triggers traps by pulling conveniently placed ropes that come out of nowhere, including open sky.

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>>33449276
doubt it??? only 1 way to find out...

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Will r07 ever write something better than Tsumihoroboshi?

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>>33449305
perhaps i should read the mango after all

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>>33445837
She's at the hospital in this picture. I wonder what for.

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>>33449444
Satoshi or H173, one would assume.

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>>33449456
Perhaps Satoshi, with all that machinery.

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>>33449342
not even guy but this is hot

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Экспансьон.

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>>33449542
>not even guy but this is hot
t. ange

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>>33449461
Either way she's going to learn some very hurtful truths. Poor Satoko.

The longer this goes on, the more I am convinced Gou can't end in ep24. That''d mean they only have about 60 minutes of usable screentime left.
Assuming episode 22 focuses on Takano's change, elaborates the working relationship of Satoko and !Featherine, shows Satoko finding out the truth about Satoshi + more background events and even shoves in another loop that goes all the way to 1984... Even if that's enough to establish characters' motivations and the backstory, that leaves only 2 episodes to answer up to 17 episodes of damashi arcs AND conclude everything.

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>>33448921
I think this is Miyao.

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>>33449679
Why do you think Gou is gonna try to answer everything?

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>>33449679
I don't think there's going to be an "answer" for each of those arcs at all, Gou is structured differently. At best they might explain a bit about why Satoko would do those things to her other friends, or cause them to happen, but I think the simple explanation is that she thinks, maybe even supported by Featherine, that there's no consequence other than trying to make Rika stay in Hinamizawa.

Satoshi being in the hospital may cause her to further mistrust some people (in the aspect that she hasn't been told that despite them knowing). If this snowballs this is gonna be pretty much everyone for her.

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what did kanon mean by "owing a debt to battler" in EP6 ???

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>>33449886
The debt is to Beato. For when she "brought him back from the dead" in episode 3.

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>>33449921
i see...
Post the full version and not just a shitty thumbnail faggot

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>>33449937
I got it from tw*tt*r nigger.

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>>33449845
R07 said the ending won't leave us hanging.

>>33449875
I'm not expecting original higurashi style answer arcs, although I would have preferred that. At this point there's no time for that, obviously.
Nevertheless, they still have to rush through various key events of the damashi fragments from Satoko's point of view if they hope to have any kind of satisfying conclusion to the story.

>Satoshi being in the hospital may cause her to further mistrust some people (in the aspect that she hasn't been told that despite them knowing).
I think it's just going to be a "Rika knew but didn't tell me" moment. Satoko's reaction to Rika wanting to celebrate Nii-ni's disappearance day in ep17 hinted at something like this.

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"Vier Dreissig" = "four thirty" = "thirty four" = ΛΔ = Satoko HoujouMiyo Takano
BASED

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>>33449951
Getting traumatized by kanon kun!

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satovierjestdeltakano3105 is so cute!

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>>33449983
fyi that's just how german numbers work, the ones place is said first.

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>>33449962
I think Rika is not going to be the only target here. Despite being the most important one, I don't think Satoko could easily stomach killing her seemingly innocent friends over and over.

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>>33449886
wait, did he say "debt owed to battler"? I thought he was talking about repaying his debt to beatrice for letting him know love with the brooch thing

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>>33450344
Vier Dreissig are two numbers. 4 30
Vierunddreißig is the word for 34.

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>>33450415
No, Satoko is almost certainly going to blame Rika for keeping Satoshi a secret. I won't speculate what this means for Satoko's trust of Irie.
But a development where Satoko falsely believes that everyone knew? That seems very unlikely to me.

We don't know what strings !Featherine pulled to get Satoko to 'entertain' her, but it's more than this.

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>>33442380
There are probably some western comic characters who have even more bullshit powers

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>>33442553
They told us about the 2 Rikas with this poster

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>>33443664
>>33443188
Dick. Today we cum

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>>33450652
correct

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>>33446877

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And now I realize that the opening sequence to Onikakushi isn't a deranged Keiichi but Satoko ending another bad run killing Rika and forgetting everything. Bernkastel questions what she must do to earn Satoko's forgiveness.

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>>33450945

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>>33450945
I hate these dumb posts. It doesn't matter if you're being ironic.

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>>33449012
It probably didn't.

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>>33451076
?

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>>33450945
This is italia**** tier, well done.
I am seething right now

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>>33449328
Obviously not.

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>>33451136
That fragment. It didn't end.

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>>33451040
Some of the Bern poems clearly are about Lambdako, though. What else would "I'm the one who put you in the desert" and "What must I do to earn your forgiveness." even refer to? "It's Bern talking to Rika" never made sense to me.

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>>33451192
And? What's the basis of your assumption? What exactly are you suggesting? Featherine just randomly recalling Satoko into the sea of fragments? Something else?

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>>33451283
>What's the basis of your assumption?
We didn't see anyone die.
>What exactly are you suggesting?
That the fragment didn't end and when everything's done Satoko will go back into it
>Featherine just randomly recalling Satoko into the sea of fragments?
It wasn't random.

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>>33451264
No, you are retrospectively applying Gou.

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>>33451368
so how do you interpret the poems?

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>>33451353
>We didn't see anyone die.
In the next episode previews? Are you okay? Do you have brain problems?

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>>33451379
Oh holy shit I thought we was talking about the previous episode!.

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I'm over this whole "this can't be, this is dumb, this won't happen".

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>>33451388
>we was talking

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>>33451373
Which one?

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>>33451368
That's the point. We just got told Satoko has been looping hundreds of millions of times.

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>>33451411
Enjoy the shitty ride!
Over in a matter of weeks thankfully

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>>33451433
Not "Satoko" Satoko.

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>>33451433
I don't think she's referred to literally Satoko looping.

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>>33451433
The image in this post >>33450945 is about Keichi. It has nothing to do with Satoko. If you are the same anon then you are just trying to apply Gou to it for some reason that is in your head and nowhere else.

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>>33451556
This, there's no shortage of interpreted "betrayal" in Higurashi.

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>>33451433
But you were never told that. You failed your reading comprehension test. Better luck on your next incarnation. What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive?

It's not Satoko. It's her soul in various other persons, whatever "soul" ends up meaning in the context of WTC metaverse. But in the context of Higurashi, Satoko had never looped before.

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last for booba

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>>33451666
same diff spaz, also nice demonic trips

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My irrelevance...

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>>33450945
>All I hear is the cry of the Higurashi...

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>>33450945
Is it me or /u/f*gs are some of the most deranged people on this site

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>>33451805
I love Rena.

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>>33451805
>on this site
anywhere

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>>33451719
mhhhhhhmmmmmm ange the best!

[Anonymous No.]

What other works of fiction have similar themes to Umineko with regards to metafiction?

The only one I can think of is a Twilight Zone episode titled A Game of Pool.

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>>33449951
This flat chested meido sprite edit has some potential.

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>>33451945
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Trilogy

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>>33449951
>that opening on the chest
what is that for? i dont get it!

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>>33452004
quick naizuri

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>>33452045
>naizuri
how had i not heard of it up until now...
I M A G I N E

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https://youtu.be/YSLxbBI_wDw

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>>33452139
How can we stop this madman

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IKEA

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>>33451719
Why is the PS3 Kakera so bountiful?

[Anonymous No.]

Today I will remind you

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>>33452311
translate this, nerds

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>>33450945
FUCK OFF THEAF

I WAS THE FIRST WHO SAID THAT THIS SCENE WASNT K1 KILLING RENA AND MION
YOU STEAL MY THEORY FOR YOUR YURI SHIT

THIS IS K1 WHO IS KILLING RIKA AFTER HE DISCOVER THAT SHE WAS THE CULPRIT

THE REAL HIGURASHI ENDING

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>>33450945
>I loved rubbing her head
This is quite clearly Rika killing Satoko.

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>>33452575
KEICHI ALWAYS RUB HER HEAD AND VICE VERSA

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>>33452575
>>33452590
Why can't it be both?

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>>33451719

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>>33452342
I hate this but it's superior to anything produced by Italianon both in style and substance.

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>>33451428
the ones I cited you attention span nigger

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>>33452641
Which ones did you cite?
I probably won't bother replying if you are going to be like that anyway.

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>>33452630
I would say it's superior to anything produced by Italianon's parents

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>>33452669
get out

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>>33452623

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>>33452685
let the witch sleep

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>>33452599
It's actually Satoshi killing his Aunt or possibly Shion.

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>>33452687
I looked back in the thread. You are trying to apply Gou retrospectively as at least two other anons said.
Maybe you are not so smart?

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>>33452505
>>33452575
>>33450945
Read higurashi

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>>33452685
I love this

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>>33452685

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>>33452403
>this is... what sort of ??? is this, battler-sama?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33452727
If you have this much trouble keeping track of a simple conversation ("how do you interpret the poems?" -> which ones -> oh right, anon cited two poems in particular in this reply chain, that's probably what he's referring to) I'm sorry to say you may well be too stupid to participate in chan culture.
Go back to spamming emotes in twitch chats or whatever it is you usually do with your free time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33452741
I READ IT
THE OFFICIAL SOLUTION IS FAKE LIKE CONFIRMED BY BERN AND LAMBDA

[Anonymous No.]

>>33452804
Anon, you seem flustered

[Anonymous No.]

What's so cool about tea parties anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453029
the comment section of witch hunter forum user after the story is over

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453029
its fun when you're not invited

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453029
You wouldn't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

ROW ROW

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453063
I hate tea, I am a coffee person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453029
It's the ojou-sama version of hanging out with your bros and drinking beer.

[Anonymous No.]

Evil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33452804
You okay anon?
If you don't make sense people can't follow you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453063
I love #tea

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453242
ebin post

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453157
Droopy-tan looks weird with such sharp tsurime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33452928
>>33453056
ᴾ ᴬ ˢ ᵀ ᴬ ᴸ ᴬ ⱽ ᴵ ˢ ᵀ ᴬ

[Anonymous No.]

Pasta la vista

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453299
She looks like a mischievous baby ready to steal the candy of her friend, I love it.

[Anonymous No.]

Illusions to illusions
Pasta to Pasta
the theory that lacks the heart must return to pasta

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453157
We have achieved absolutely zero levels of droopy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33452928
>>33453056
Hey did you see this
>>33452685

[Anonymous No.]

Is it time for KINO?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453157
Satoko's going to make Takano regret her decision.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453328
SHKANONTRICE SAID THAT BATTLER REALLY FORGOT YASU AND HE NEVER LOVED HER

THIS IS THE LOVELESS THEORY

ERIKATRICE SATED THAT BATTLER NEVER FORGOT YASU, HE SUFFER LIKE HER 6 YEARS AGO BECAUSE HE THOUGTH SHE FORGET HIM.

HE RETURN ON ROKKENJIMA ONLY FOR SEE HER AGAIN
THIS EXPLAIN WHY HE NEVER GET A GF AND WHY HE IS NOT IN THE ISLAND IN THE YASU WORLD

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453331
>>33453299
This meep nipper stole all of her droop

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453445
I hate this droopy derpy meep

[Anonymous No.]

>>33452685
FAKE
my father create the cure for Psoriasis

[Anonymous No.]

wouldnt it be funny if I pour boiling hot tea on rika haha

[Anonymous No.]

At least we can all agree that the whole point of Gou is that Ooishi and 'red eyes Rika' were the culprits........

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453495
haha imagine puring boiling milk on rika's scalp for fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453488

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453495
masturbating to traitorous Rika's moans of anguish!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33445832
Link is already dead. Here's all the previews in case anyone missed it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453533
How about you higurashi GOU find some bitches

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453605
Junkyard crawling hobo detected at door.
Do not let in

[Anonymous No.]

ENTER
K1 (FORMA ULTIMA)

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453659
Still needs the watergun

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453488

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453659
It's still missing the clock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453680
>>33453714
THERES NO SPACE
WHERE CAN YOU EVEN PUT IT

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453630
Top 3 Hinamizawa pastimes
1. Setting traps in the wooded mountainsides with Satoko!
2. Crawling junkyards with Rena!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453630
the main reason we didnt see them for so long was the fact that they were having constant steamy sex and it was inappropriate

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453736
just be lazy and make "parallel space dimensional container" and throw all his weapons inside it

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453736
Put the watergun in his belt, you know, like the cops do with their revolvers in the movies?
The clock is harder. Maybe have it float over his shoulder.

[Anonymous No.]

At least we can all agree

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453659
>still missing Ange's golden key

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453659
>still missing Beato's golden pipe

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453785
Holy shit, does she have Hashimoto's?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453659
>still missing Gohda's golden spatula

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453659
Where's the cock

[Anonymous No.]

hANburGEr

[Anonymous No.]

Άντζι. Αντζούγια.
Ange and anchovies sound similar in Greek. Hehe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453659
here

[Anonymous No.]

is there a torrent to all of zts umineko soundtracks?

[Anonymous No.]

isn't umineko just among us with magic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453929
reddit fuck off

Umineko is among us without magic

[Anonymous No.]

isn't higurashi just dark but good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453929
No its and then there were none with bitches

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453968
shannon is not Beatrice

[Anonymous No.]

isn't higurashi just umineko with cunny?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453940
PASTA LA VISTA

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453988
Umineko is Higurashi with milfs

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454003
>Counter strike source not installed

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453978
Pasta


la vista.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454024
remember that you cant deny and will never be able to do with image

ERIKA IS KANON

[Anonymous No.]

Will the pasta cope ever end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454018
yeah rosa is such a fucking idiot. making rookie mistakes like that
but I can fix her

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453828
>>33453882
ENTER
AGAIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454080
How long has it even been going on? Feels like ages now.

[Anonymous No.]

will 1-bit goats cope ever end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33453968
They look so fucking stupid. I want to beat them up and steal their shoes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454102
God Virgilius is so fucking hot
Imagine pinning him down and stripping him of his pride

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454115
Selling kanon's filthy but good smelly shoes for twice the price!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454146
haha look, a boner!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454119
Virgilius is the facto italianon avatar MY AVATAR
so you want have sex with me

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454153
If you are female, I want to have sex with you, italianon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454153
Yes i wanna fuck you so hard it******n, that you turn into a drooling retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454101
A long time, but he is on high levels of cope right now because he is getting his ass handed to him hard with Gou.
He had no credibility before anyway but he should have stayed well away from Higurashi as it doesn't have the ambiguity that Umineko catbox has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454146
How many Ushiromiya ingots for the socks?
>>33454192
But he already is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454214
>A long time, but he is on high levels of cope right now because he is getting his ass handed to him hard with Gou.
I rather enjoyed him being one of the few people that didn't get the Satoko=looper thing being spelled out after a couple of episodes

[Anonymous No.]

>>33450945
its actually K1 beating the fuck out of sat*ko for piling up dogshit in front of their house for a prank

[Anonymous No.]

/a/ is bonkers

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454404
Please go back there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454404
PLEASE DONT LEAVE ANON

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454430
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454458
Seeing Rena cry makes me happy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454471
The fuck is wrong with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454479
But I'd be just as happy if I didn't see Rena at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454479
WTC is best enjoyed with your fellow monsters

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454461

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454430
>>33454511
>>33454458

I promise I am a good poster. Ask the jannitors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454511
>those thighs

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454511
The contrast between the multiple layers of excessive clothing on the top half compared to the tiny shorts is delightful.
Assuming this is a girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454520
If you are such a good poster, then why did you post a rika alone? That's a crime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454663
I like all the Higus but Rika is my favourite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454663
she's the winner of course!
this poster is very good i trust this poster

[Anonymous No.]

At least we can all agree this is the worst Seacat apart from George

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454682
I love this tea drinking main character plus blonde extra plot device.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454725
Remember Shion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454119
I really love his design, even better than Kanon and Lion. Why don't men dress like this anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454735
Remember Satoshi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33452505
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454772

[Anonymous No.]

I love this chandelier-receiving nee-nee. Just reached 60 pieces of ep21-specific fanart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454785
I rather liked this one

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko (true end)

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454796
DRILLS CHAN NO!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454785
I was about to post this image, beat me to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454796
It's very faithful to the anime's visual style.

[Anonymous No.]

I GOT A SECRET

FOR MU LA

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454876
Just a little bit of hot, and a little bit of cold

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine bringing someone to your dream school who considered it was acceptable to drop a chandelier on you to reset your life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454934
It's ok she will regret it by the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454934
What happens if only one of them dies? Does the dead one has to wait on a standby lobby or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else "use" the appearances of 07th characters to imagine characters from books?
Ever since Proust described Elstir as being muscular I've imagined him as a 19th century Tomitake, since he's a painter. And the two maids in the Balbec hotel (Céleste and Marie Gineste) definitely make me think of JK Rika and Satoko.

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>>33454851
This one might be my favorite, if not one of the many cute hugs.

There's something about her expression. It's so serene and dreamy. Cute and funny mouth with proper fang and that :3, almost fleshfang-like. Fingers still in snap pose. But with Hanyuu's "wrath of god" eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454971
yes and this music plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2I7FN7fiKU

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454981
No.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanon's retarded gay socks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454981
Never

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454982
Looks like the face I've got after a good, hefty shit in the morning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454971
They just join that loop when they die I guess.
Also that elevator music definitely plays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33454984
Based Shodanbro

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455003
How does Kanon walk around thinking he can just exist without being molested? What arrogance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455035
What an arrogant homo!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455063
That's mayo right?

[Anonymous No.]

haha goshga haha ebin fug ghloe :DDD
ohh noo fug my braibn elegdricity bbzzttt xDDD

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455077
homo fluids

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455127
Turpa kiinni.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455127
>chloe activated the clit electrodes again

[Anonymous No.]

I am totally not Battler and I don't give a shit about my fat not-sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455127
I wish I could fuck a Finn

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455166
ONII-CHAN COME BACK PLEASE DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE I'M SORRY

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455166
I didn't know Kinzo had a fat not-sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455127
hey xx ;))

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455132
nothing gay about adding mayo to your food

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455184
>Ikuko, I don't want to see the ginger whale again. Get the harpoon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455234
Need more Ikuko X Tohya art

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455184
You can't sit on my lap Ange. I have uhhhhhh spine problems and, while I love my little sister very much, she isn't "little" enough to let her do that.

[Anonymous No.]

This should be pretty easy to edit if anyone wants to translate it.

1/4

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't hachijo stand for 19???
Couldn't it be a reference to the fact that yasu is 19?????

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455256
>Ange desperately crawling across the table in the middle of the restaurant and starts grinding herself against Tohya's lap while screaming about how "Onii-chan needs to come back!" while the all of the diners look on in shock and horror

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455287
Why Rika didn't grow at all? She is still flat and a midget

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455287
2/4

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455288
No.
It's a reference to eighteen and it is explained in the VN. Tohya remembers he is eighteen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455303
3/4

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455303
4/4

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455003
Gay, sure. But not retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455302
Who knows? They even had the same diet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455308
sorry i meant ikuko
doesnt ikuko stand for 19?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455302
>>33455369
pumpkins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455003
KANON IS THE CUTEST GIRL OF ROKKENJIMA

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455372
There are a few number games going on with names but I don't recall that being one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455462
Come on its 2021. No reason to be afraid of your homosexuality

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455478
this is where i got it from

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455573
i hate this useless retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455534
poor japs discove only 1 part of Erikantrice

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455534
Not convincing, hence why it was dropped.
This is from a long time ago and that reading doesn't really work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455602
Pasta
La
Vista

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455598
Same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455573
Dumb. Useless.
Dead. Replaced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455573
I want this dumb useless retard back

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455573
imagine twisting her horns backwards for them to make a cracking sound like that of a croissant and for her to drool while staring emptily to the ceiling

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455573
I miss this adorable retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455669
She gets dumb if the horns break?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455681
Ikuko, the smartest of all, the winner of rokkenjima and the best writer suffered memory loss after her horns were touched. now imagine what would happen to a retard like Hanyuu of those horns broke (not touched)

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455708
WAIT A MINUTE
THAT COLOR SCHEME
LIGHT BLUE
PURPLE
WHITE
PURPLE
LIGHT BLUE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455749
I'm tempted to pastalavista this post, because it's just as low quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455768
I think it is a much better post. I don't feel the same insanity I get from the pastaman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455819
That's because it's an entirely fake insanity. There's no sincerity behind it, no love. It's just an empty, low effort "ooh wow this is so ebin" reaction shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455919
superp wonderful magic sirs

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455724
Unless Ryukishi has changed things...
The hints from Umineko were that Hanyuu is what you get when you damage Featherine's memory device (horns)

[Anonymous No.]

I hate this faggot chair

[Anonymous No.]

>>33456011
Therefore you get an Italian shitposter if you damage Hanyuu's horns as this is the only thing dumber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455724
Hanyuu is what Featherine is like after her horns break.

[Anonymous No.]

What happens if you break Featherine's nipples instead of horns?

This should be the solution to Gou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33456027
I love this emo closet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33455598
why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33451945
Try the Ringu light novel series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33451945
>similar themes
stop being vague and you'll get better recommendations

[Anonymous No.]

>>33451945
Unironically Little Busters! Refrain reminded me heavily of Umineko.
Feels more like psychological horror than harem simulator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33456452
Little Busters is a well known kusoge. It got popular cause of its theme song.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33456490
Ok, shit taste-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33456511
Man your baby ass would get creamed alive in actual vn communities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33456538
Holy shit, thank god he isn't THAT brave!

[Anonymous No.]

>>33456538
>so shitty it gets three anime seasons and a spin-off game
I know I'm talking with schizos here, but that's a bit too ironic coming from a 07th fan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33451945
fuck off meta fuction

UMINEKO IS A MYSTERY AND IS GOOD BECAUSE IS A MYSTERY

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

apologize

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457050

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457050
I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457050
Umineko Bernkastel > Gou Rika
Bern is a good girl deep down while Rika is just selfish and cold on the inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457165
Back to >>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457172
Make me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457165
Only /a/ likes Bern, we all love Rika and hate Bern here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457192
did you know the real truth of umineko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457202
>we all love Rika and hate Bern here.
Don't listen to this liar, we actually all HATE Rika and HATE Bern here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457415
Actually we don't really like wtc at all.
Most of us are just here to dab on the fangirls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457447
This thread should honestly just be renamed TRT general, since that's all we earnestly discuss here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457553
What's TRT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457553
Testosterone replacement therapy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33457608
Alice's game!
>>33457616
Plausible since this is a 07th Expansion thread after all.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

last for dlanor