Do we have any idea as to how intelligent Flandre is, the insanity aside?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:22:02 2009 No.3318786 [Reply] [Original]

Do we have any idea as to how intelligent Flandre is, the insanity aside?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:30:02 2009 No.3318826 She can extrapolate the position of a Lunarian mass driver round and intercept it with little to no telemetry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:31:02 2009 No.3318837 she's what a few millenia old? You can't be that old and dumb at the same time unless you're faking it hardcore.

>>	Vector !NEy29ODpvs Mon Sep 7 01:32:02 2009 No.3318839 Flandre isn't insane. Doesn't Patchy teach her things?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:32:02 2009 No.3318842 Flandre knows how to count to ten. As long as they die.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:34:02 2009 No.3318847

>>3318786
She spent 500 years down in that dingy basement alone.
She can't really destroy anything down there, so there isn't much to do.
If one assumes she has been reading and gathering knowledge all that time, one could say she's easily smarter than the majority of gensokyou.
Only contested by "Geniuses" (Ran, Eirin, etc...)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:34:02 2009 No.3318848 A touhou's intelligence can be measured by their bullet to difficulty ratio. Lots of bullets + easy = stupid. Few bullets + hard = smart. The first might not be true, but the second definitely is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:35:02 2009 No.3318850 >>3318847 Flan. Reading the whole time. What is this shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:37:02 2009 No.3318862 I want to see her fight Yuka

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:38:02 2009 No.3318864 File: 130 KB, 680x928, 72e5d03c14f301aa3df5be9d792d118c copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Pretty god damned smart if you ask me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:39:02 2009 No.3318868 >>3318850 What else would she do? I'd like to think of her as the "Insane Genius with 18 in CHA" Unlike some other uncharismatic vampire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:41:02 2009 No.3318874 File: 155 KB, 1031x882, 63ijdck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3318864 OH GOD.

>>	Vector !NEy29ODpvs Mon Sep 7 01:42:02 2009 No.3318879 >>3318868 She isn't insane. She's locked away so she doesn't accidentally the whole world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:42:02 2009 No.3318883 File: 11 KB, 373x367, Vault Boy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3318868 CHA only goes up to 10.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:42:02 2009 No.3318884 >>3318874 >But I still don't know how to anti-alias text.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:43:02 2009 No.3318889 >>3318879 because of her insanity

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:44:02 2009 No.3318896 Flan has the mind of a child because she is developmentally stunted from being locked in a basement with little contact for most of her life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:47:02 2009 No.3318910 >>3318896 Maturity is part physical, part cognitive and part psychosocial. She is lacking in the first and third categories due to being a basement loli.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:48:02 2009 No.3318917 Flandre is rather childish but most likely fairly knowledgeable since she has lived for 500 years as a recluse (She isn't just locked down her basement, she doesn't express any real desire to go out. ) High INT, low WIS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:52:02 2009 No.3318931 Smart enough to rape China.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:54:02 2009 No.3318939 >>3318786 kindly requesting the name of what that page is from

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:56:02 2009 No.3318953 >>3318917 Maxed strength, agility and charisma, middling stamina... feels good, man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:57:02 2009 No.3318955 >>3318883 No, man. It all depends how you min/max it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:57:02 2009 No.3318961 Does this mean Flandre is knowledgable about dicks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:58:02 2009 No.3318970 >>3318961 As much as Patchy is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 01:59:02 2009 No.3318976 >>3318955 Special does not work that way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:02:02 2009 No.3318990 >>3318976 SPECIAL is for casuals. Anyways, you aren't special. Any game that has such a low stat cap has a shitty stat system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:08:02 2009 No.3319021 >>3318990 Oshi, instead of putting 10 points into strength you accomplish the same with 5! FUCKIN' CASUALS!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:12:02 2009 No.3319033 >>3319021 What I'm saying is that it's shit easy getting them all at 10. The stat system is just an accessory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:12:02 2009 No.3319036 File: 634 KB, 960x1360, 1249962045772.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3318961 >>3318970 Flandre and Patchouli play with their own dicks every day, of course they are knowledgable about them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:12:02 2009 No.3319037 >>3318939 obnoxiously bumping for this. image searches find no matches.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:12:02 2009 No.3319038 >>3319033 That's a flaw with the game, not stat systems with a max of 10.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:14:02 2009 No.3319042 >>3319033 Special has a special place in my heart because perks are made available with simple skill point and level checks, instead of lists that fluctuate with no rhyme or reason that you're given access to at random levels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:16:02 2009 No.3319055 >>3319033 There are more games where the stat system is an accessory than not. Way more.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:17:02 2009 No.3319058

>>3319038
We aren't refering to stat systems with a cap of 10, you tard.
We're talking about Fallout 3's stat system, SPECIAL.
>>3319042
>instead of lists that fluctuate with no rhyme or reason that you're given access to at random levels.
What are you getting at?
Also, the perks are a joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:18:02 2009 No.3319059 File: 113 KB, 372x1000, 1feca37c794db12e4c3885514b90e3e5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How smart is Flan? She asked China for homework help. /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:19:02 2009 No.3319065 >>3319055 DnD is not one of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:20:02 2009 No.3319066 File: 10 KB, 400x400, Cirno3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3319059 >Implying fanmade 4komas are canon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:22:02 2009 No.3319074 >>3319065 D&D's only appeal is an overly complex stat system that gives nerds a hard-on. Everything else is beyond generic.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:25:02 2009 No.3319089

>>3319074
Theres some general basis on the DnD stat system.
The general dispersion of points may be elusive at first glance, but it is quite intuitive.
Rogue take a lot of Dex, and not much Str
Barbarians have not much use for Int.
etc.etc.
If you can't learn at least that much...
And really, it isn't much more than that, unless you want to min/max like a hardcore munchin, and get you strength to 176.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:28:02 2009 No.3319107 >>3319066 This is Touhou. Just about everything fanmade becomes canon sooner or later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:36:02 2009 No.3319137 >>3319107 Unless canon is actively trying to contradict itself. Yea, what now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:38:02 2009 No.3319143 >>3319137 Everyone is wrong, no one is right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:43:02 2009 No.3319162 >>3319089 But SPECIAL isn't broken; Fallout 3 is. Play Fallout 1 to see the proper implementation of the SPECIAL system. Your choices in stat distribution actually mattered there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:46:32 2009 No.3319170 >>3319162 That's nice to know. Maybe I will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:49:02 2009 No.3319185 >>3319162 That's nice to know. Maybe I will try the other fallouts. But DnD is not overly-complicated in the slightest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 02:59:02 2009 No.3319215 >>3319185 No, but it is arbitrary in many ways. Classes, and the restrictions that come with them, being the strangest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:02:02 2009 No.3319221 >>3319215 Do go on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:06:02 2009 No.3319236 >>3319221 I don't care to.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:06:02 2009 No.3319237
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>Flandre can destroy anything she wants by moving the "eye" of the object, where the tension is highest, into her hand and pouring her power into it.
Flandre is the head crusher?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:08:02 2009 No.3319240 >>3319237 No, the "eyes" are the dots of death. Flandre has Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, except in remote mode.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:10:02 2009 No.3319245 >>3319236 Then I have no idea what arbitrary stat allocations you are talking about are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:10:02 2009 No.3319246 >>3319240 >remote mode Since when is Flandre an android?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:11:02 2009 No.3319249 >>3319246 That is not what remote means. Read as "at range."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:22:02 2009 No.3319268 File: 551 KB, 1024x768, 1241623954562.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am enjoying this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:23:02 2009 No.3319270 >>3319246 She's a flandroid!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:30:02 2009 No.3319282 File: 292 KB, 868x1226, c658321c5b38e57ef98ec8fc350c9f7e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3319270 She's the most out of place final boss ever.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:34:02 2009 No.3319293

>>3319237
Except she doesn't just imagine it.
>>3319245
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_SPECIAL
>Changes from Previous Fallout Games
>the SPECIAL system in Fallout 3 is much more forgiving when compared to the first two games: Low ability scores penalize the player less, while high ability scores do not grant as much of a benefit. Where in the first two games lowering a SPECIAL stat to 3 or lower could be a risky move regardless of your character type, characters in Fallout 3 can get away with SPECIAL scores of 1 in particular stats.

FO1, and to a lesser extent 2, punishes the idea of using dump stats, but if you think up a random character, you can probably pull it off, as most of what decides what you're good at is tag skills. You can choose any three of 21 skills as tag skills. Tag skills give a small initial bonus, but also grow 2 to 1 compared to other skills.

Something you should try is an INT 2 character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:36:02 2009 No.3319296 >>3319293 But the only worthwhile tag skills are small guns, lockpick and speech so yeah. Also, only people who have played the game correctly half a dozen times try a stupid or hand to hand character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:37:02 2009 No.3319298 File: 519 KB, 1600x988, frog_paper.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Get out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:38:02 2009 No.3319299 >>3319298 What the fuck.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:41:02 2009 No.3319313

>>3319296
I made my way with energy weapons, speech, and barter, but yeah, not all skills are worth tagging. Worst ones are science and gambling.
I was going to say it should be on the 3rd or 4th play, but I had deleted and rewrote sections of that post several times, and kinda forgot about that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:43:02 2009 No.3319316 >>3319299 Just some bu-ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:43:02 2009 No.3319319 >>3319298 gb2SA goon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:45:02 2009 No.3319321 >>3319319 But I'm on probation for forgetting I'm not supposed to mention little girls. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:47:02 2009 No.3319328 >>3319321 Holy shit, LegoRobot, that you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:49:02 2009 No.3319337 File: 28 KB, 400x300, ozma1enbm5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3319321 >probation >for lolicon on SA lol, no

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:50:02 2009 No.3319343 >>3319337 Yeah man, those fucking nazis on SA would probably permaban you outright for imagining a sweet girl like Rika.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 03:55:02 2009 No.3319349 >>3319343 >Rika >a sweet girl

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:02:02 2009 No.3319361 File: 130 KB, 800x800, 1190836409308.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3319349

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:05:02 2009 No.3319369 >>3319361 EX Rika is fine though, bro. Real fine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:07:02 2009 No.3319373 >>3319361 A pleasant night scene? I don't see what you're getting at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:10:02 2009 No.3319378 >>3318786 She could be as smart as any of the Gensokyo Bigheads depending on who is writing her. And if not she can atleast pull some pretty convincing mindfuckery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:21:02 2009 No.3319399 I'd assume any creature with a few 00's under it's belt would be at least a little wise. That's one of those reasons I can't say LOL I'D FUCK ________, seriously the crap you'd hear in the foreplay would destroy your meager sense of existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:25:02 2009 No.3319411 >>3319378 Anyone can have any possible IQ level depending on who's writing them, you know. The question at hand is how did ZUN write her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:26:02 2009 No.3319413 Flandre stayed in her basement of her own free will for centuries. Nothing wise about her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:26:02 2009 No.3319417 >>3319399 That just means they're really, really experienced.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:28:02 2009 No.3319422 >>3319413 You make an astoundingly good point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:29:02 2009 No.3319425 >>3319413 Sounds perfectly wise to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:29:02 2009 No.3319426 >>3319413 >>3319422 Samefag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:32:02 2009 No.3319435 >>3319426 naah bro we just not NEETS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:35:02 2009 No.3319448 >>3319435 Actually, I am a NEET, brah. >>3319425 She isn't wise enough to get internet access like Kaguya.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:37:02 2009 No.3319454

>>Flandre stayed in her basement of her own free will for centuries. Nothing wise about her.

Before she came to Gensokyo, the only thing waiting for her outside the mansion were a whole lot of humans who would eventually gather and want her dead if they ever found out about her and what she could do.

After coming to Gensokyo, the only thing waiting for her outside the mansion were a bunch of fucking lunatics with reality-breaking powers whose only hobbies are beating the shit out each other for fun and drinking tea and/or alcohol, any one of which could easily destroy the world if they ever snapped completely.

Flandre was merely doing what any sane, rational person with an ounce of instinct for self-preservation would do in a situation where setting foot outside meant dealing with either an angry mob out for your head, or a land full of total nutjobs in silly hats who shoot each other for fun. Lock the doors, bar the windows, and stay the fuck inside.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:40:02 2009 No.3319461 >>3319454 You make an interesting point. However, Flan can destroy whatever she likes by going kyun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:40:54 2009 No.3319463 >>3319448 An insane genius doesn't need interaction with others. Just look how stupid that NEET is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:41:02 2009 No.3319467 >>3319454 fuck I wish my town was that exciting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:43:02 2009 No.3319473 >>3319461 Maybe she didn't want to be bothered by the frivolities of society and the strange, time-consuming norms. She would rather stay home, hone her intelligence and power, and make some plan to break the barrier.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:48:02 2009 No.3319491
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Personally I've always seen Flandre as something of a broken intelligence. Sure, she's not stupid, she's lived for hundreds of years and has to pass the time somehow... unfortunately she's probably not a genius because of it either. She doesn't seem to have the same love for knowledge in the way Patchouli does and seems to spend most of her time playing in the basement. Given all the quirky references ZUN had Flandre and Marisa make, I suppose you could say she likes to read fiction when she's not running strange imaginary tea parties with her broken toys.

Flandre is content with staying in the basement where she doesn't have to experience anything too frightening, but relishes the idea of playing with others when they turn up. Unfortunately, no one really seems to have taught Flandre a sense of scale or proportionate response so she plays with things until they break or she looses interest in them.

Still, imagine how much worse she would be with the internet. At the moment she's just a strange recluse with odd hobbies. I imagine Remilia taught Flandre the spell card rules and rarely has little matches with her so if she does decide to play with people they aren't instantly nuked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:56:02 2009 No.3319507 Would Flandre be able to remotely kill posters on an anonymous imageboard? Because if that's the case, she's immediately at the top of my "Touhou whose power you wish to have" list.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:56:49 2009 No.3319508 Flandre is more interesting than her sister.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 04:57:02 2009 No.3319509
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>>3319473

You could argue that seeing as Flan was born with so much power she doesn't really need to seek it through knowledge in the same way Patchouli does.

Flandre gives the impression all she does is read books for fun, murder mysteries, poems, fantasy... whatever catches her eye. Not even obsessively either, just the occasional book to pass the time between other styles of play.

I imagine Flandre playing alone ;_;

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>>3319508

Hard to deny, but Remilia is so much easier to write for and give motivation to actually do something in any game. At best Flandre's only motivation for going outside is to play/see the world, something she's had chance to do for hundreds of years and see as ZUN still didn't take the chance to have her explore after EoSD it's less likely with each passing game that she will.

Remilia on the other hand is fully of petty whims, selfishly desiring something goes her way. The snow is bothering me Sakuya, do something about it. She fits a arch type making her a bit less interesting then her sister who is a bit more original, but because Remilia fits the childish, selfish noble arch-type, she can do a lot more. Flandre is a recluse, stories about her usually play on it, it's most of her character.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:04:02 2009 No.3319531

>>3319509
Your whole argument is refuted by the fact the she is isolated, and does not know the true extent of her power.
You must recognize the amount of time she has been in there.
She doesn't mearly "pass the time" for a couple of centuries.
She's going to ask herself questions, many at that!
If anything, she will scrounge the books with even more fervor than patchoulie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:07:02 2009 No.3319543 File: 766 KB, 1026x827, 5791095.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like Marisa and Flandre, canon be damned.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:10:49 2009 No.3319563 >Flandre is a recluse One of us! One of us!

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:14:02 2009 No.3319589
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>>3319531

There are more ways to entertain yourself then to read books. Though I admit Flandre would probably seek to understand the world through books, I can't imagine her trying to understand more about magic then she needs to, it's pointless after a while as she doesn't really have any ambitions and powers granted through magic aren't likely to be any more destructive then she can already be... through creation probably has it's uses.

I imagine she amuses herself other ways, playing like a child would alone fits her character, only with more knowledge. Perhaps she grows bored of fiction and started to write her own plays, plays she enacts by herself, or with her duplication and toys.

If Flandre was a bookish type, it would be made more apparent in her character. Flandre's main characteristic is the fact she's a kind of crazy recluse, childish in nature but well spoken enough to talk normally (at least for Gensokyo standards).

The world is hers to create... in her imagination.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:14:02 2009 No.3319594 I wonder what ZUN thinks when he sees people debate over the personalities of his characters. I doubt he put anywhere near this amount of thought into them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:21:02 2009 No.3319634 >>3319594 ZUN leaves things vague on purpose. He probably likes it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:22:04 2009 No.3319646 [DELETED]

>>3319589
You can't be a child forever, anon.
And really, what else would she do?
Books change, they are always different.
I'm not mearly saying that she would read specific book,
But a vast quantity of them.

Anyways, I am not portraying her as the bookish type, like patchoulie.
But of the mastermind type, like Yukari.
Just a bit more sly with her life living as a social recluse.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:23:02 2009 No.3319650

>>3319589
You can't be a child forever, anon.
And really, what else would she do?
Books change, they are always different.
I'm not mearly saying that she would read specific book,
But a vast quantity of them.

Anyways, I am not portraying her as the bookish type, like patchoulie.
But of the mastermind type, like Yukari.
Just a bit more sly with her living life as a social recluse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:30:02 2009 No.3319680 >>3319650 You're a madman. I won't hear you characterize Flan like that without even a 4koma backing you up. I WON'T STAND FOR IT.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:48:02 2009 No.3319755

>>However, Flan can destroy whatever she likes by going kyun.

And there are at least two people in Gensokyo who won't die, even if you kyun them.
There's someone who can kill you at will.
There's someone who can literally make it so you were never born.
You have youkai who can give you every disease ever, control light and sound waves to make you hallucinate, and even create and throw fucking SUNS. And that's not even getting into all the shit Yukari is supposedly capable of.

Compared to some of the other powers in Gensokyo, being able to destroy anything at will just seems kinda...bland.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:51:02 2009 No.3319765 I preferred the stat system discussion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:52:02 2009 No.3319767 >>3319755 Kaguya and Mokou are toys that'll never break. Flan would LOVE them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:52:02 2009 No.3319770 >>3319767 They would just kill Flan, and probably burn down the rest of the mansion too.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:53:02 2009 No.3319772

>>3319755

>And there are at least two people in Gensokyo who won't die, even if you kyun them.

They still won't enjoy it very much.

>There's someone who can kill you at will.

Read that power closer.
"Invoke death in MORTALS".
It might not even WORK on Youkai, who may be considered immortal.

>You have youkai who can give you every disease ever

She really doesn't like to do that though.

>control light and sound waves to make you hallucinate

I'd say useless, but Reisen's power theoretically allows her to control electromagnetic waves of ANY SORT... which includes BRAINWAVES. She could literally control your mind, with fine-tuned precision.
... But she's a useless bunny, only good for her sex appeal.

>and even create and throw fucking SUNS

I'll give you the hell crow.

>And that's not even getting into all the shit Yukari is supposedly capable of.

Bullshit mary sue is bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 05:55:02 2009 No.3319781 >>3319765 What sort of stat system would be appropriate for a touhou RPG?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:11:02 2009 No.3319860

>>3319680
While I neither have the ability to write, nor the talent to draw, I assure you, what I think of is a beautiful thing.
The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil Extra stage...
You think that was Flandre's dull power? Oh, no!
She was simply testing how strong the people outside were.
A precursor to a monarchy, with Flandre as queen.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:12:02 2009 No.3319864
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>>3319650

I agree you can't be a child forever, but Remilia is having a good go at trying and I can't imagine Flandre is too different. It's more their nature and the fact they are ever really corrected the way you would expect a normal person to be during their growth. Remilia has always done whatever she wanted and only seems to get punished when the hero turns up and beats her down which is so rare she gets fascinated by it. That said, Flandre is different because she has Remilia as a kind of control measure, someone who will say 'no' to her.

With Flandre it's... well to be honest thinking about it you'd expect her to be a little more mature then Remilia but with the dialogue she gets it seems she is just as childish, but in a different way. Perhaps it's just a cute act playing up to her form in the same way you'd expect from Tewi or other old, loli youkai.

Still, I can't see Flandre as some kind of genius on the scale of Yukari or Eirin, maybe Ran on a stretch with Ran being much better at math (as it's her thing), I can't imagine highly advanced math being something Flandre cares for, I like the idea she's into literature.

I'm not trying to big up Yukari and Eirin here though, you've got to bear in mind they are written to be beyond genius level intellects, masterminds at their fields who have lived at least twice as long as both the Scarlet vampires, perhaps even together. Remilia and Flandre certainly aren't stupid though, it's just hard to compare them to characters who are defined by their longevity and intellect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:14:02 2009 No.3319869 >>3319781 A new stat system fit for gensokyo. That, or DnD.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:21:02 2009 No.3319910

>>"Invoke death in MORTALS".
>>It might not even WORK on Youkai, who may be considered immortal.

I doubt that. When Yuyuko met Mokou, she was genuine afraid of her. If even just a majority of youkai were truly immortal, I can't see why meeting one more being she couldn't kill would get that sort of reaction from her.

Besides that, if youkai were truly immortal, I think Shikieiki would have known better than to try to KILL Yuka in PoFV. Being the judge of the dead and all, she would know better than to try to kill someone who couldn't die, don't you think?

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:24:02 2009 No.3319930

>>3319864
The difference I am trying to press is that Remilia has something to do, while Flandre has effectively nothing.
I never said that Flandre was a genius on par with Eirin or Yukari, but if she spent most of her time reading, as I said, she might be close to them because of the years she has lived doing nothing but.
I can't see Flandre having with the same personnality if she had stayed in isolation for 500 years. She wasn't exactly in stasis.

If you add that childish personnality with mental prowess as well as strength, she might see the inhabitants of genokyou as nothing but toys to play with. (much like many evil masterminds)

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:25:02 2009 No.3319935
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>>3319781

BESM, hell, I've made some effort towards writing a Gensokyo setting for BESM with the player characters asked to make new characters around average youkai strength, be it human youkai hunters, youkai or very minor gods. The overall campaign would involve a original 'incident' that effects all of Gensokyo and then have the group (depending on how they build their characters, ideally they need to make sure they don't clash with human hating youkai or youkai hating hunters) deal with the consequences of the incident on their daily lives.

Though I've gotten lazy finishing off all the existing characters in advance, I want to have it fleshed out so I know who could be encountered (some are very unlikely to get involved or even met) and then aim to use existing characters sparingly and then make the usual number of new characters like a new game for parts of the main storyline. It's cheesy as all fuck having cameos all the time especially if it makes no sense.

Problem is I'm lazy and BESM is more a catch all system that isn't perfect but will allow a lot of strange and interesting powers with a simply easy to remember mechanic for most things. Plus dodging is hella easy and annoying in BESM.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:38:02 2009 No.3320010
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>>3319930

Problem with that is it requires Flandre to have some kind of ambition and she really doesn't seem to have any. She's strangely content with being at home, something that has never really been explained in a definitive way, does Remilia use force to keep Flandre isolated, or is it Flandre being a good girl? Does Flandre prefer staying in the basement? Is she scared of the outside world? Flandre has a lot that has never been explained about her character. So I can't say for sure what she is like.

However, I don't see Flandre as some kind of mastermind seeking to play with Gensokyo. It would make her more interesting, no doubt and it's not infeasible for her to have the intelligence, but it's not the impression she gives. Somehow she seems content with her situation, plus I find it hard to imagine she's got bored of everything but books. Yeah, 500 years is a lot of time but having a lot of time doesn't mean she's spent 500 years just reading books, that would imply the sort of obsessive bookish personality Patchouli has. More likely she's spent 500 years doing different things, more in keeping with her image finding new, sometimes creepy weird ways to play with herself (hurr durr). That isn't to say she hasn't read much about the outside world, just that it's not her sole activity.

Or tl;dr - stop trying to fit a square shaped Flandre into a circle shaped hole. She's not a evil mastermind waiting to happen. A disaster perhaps...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:44:02 2009 No.3320043 >>3320010 Flandre is a GOOD GIRL.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:45:02 2009 No.3320056 File: 69 KB, 400x600, Flandre (37).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3320043 Yes, she is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:51:02 2009 No.3320091 >>3320010 If the circle is big enough, the square will fit. Anyways, it seems her plan is working well...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 06:52:02 2009 No.3320095 File: 598 KB, 1000x1200, 5845595.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The best girl.

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 07:44:02 2009 No.3320231

I like how Flandre was portrayed in LA-SDM (which sadly seems to have vanished):
Basically she has the personality of a child, but is still able to read the vibes people send out subconsciously, like being able to tell when stuff goes wrong and everyone tries to hide it from her as a matter of disaster prevention.
Her personality also switches from time to time to that of an actual centuries-old vampire aristocrat, especially when she is treated as a child rather than a friend for extended periods of time - which is what Remilia is probably afraid of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 07:49:02 2009 No.3320237 >>3320231 It's great that you like fanon, but canonically Flandre has no social experience and is a NEET.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 07:53:02 2009 No.3320245 >no social experience Quite normal for a child-like personality. >NEET Her sister is too, as she doesn't work hurrdurr.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 08:11:02 2009 No.3320285 Its always the insane who turn out to be geniuses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:02:02 2009 No.3321281 >>3320231 What does that abbreviation stand for?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 13:04:02 2009 No.3321288 >>3321281 http://www.sentrygun.com/touhou/cyoa/LA-SDM.html

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