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[Anonymous No.]

EP 5 questions and theories thread.

Who is the man from 19 years ago?
What was the answer to the epitaph?
Shannon is not Kanon and Kanon is not Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3275849

wait, so Shannon is not Kanon, and Kanon is not Shannon, but Shannon and Kanon are one in the same?

[Anonymous No.]

5%

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>>3275860
Kanon is Battler, and Shannon dresses up as a boy or a girl

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>>3275867
7%

[Anonymous No.]

>Shannon is not Kanon and Kanon is not Shannon.
With how convoluted that last episode was, I expect Ryukishi to throw a fucking curveball and make it true, like hell I trust Erika.

I'd hate it and rage like a motherfucker, but that needs to be stated in red.

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>>3275897
Both are visibly seen by piece Battler and Erika. Is that not enough prove for you?

And it should be said in golden not red.

[Anonymous No.]

1. The "man" is Lamba, who brags about her voice-acting skills.
2. A counter-logical word puzzle plus an anogram, which is what I figured it would be making it impossible for a non-Japanese speaker to make any sense of it to begin with.
3. We understood that from very early on.

Nothing to see here. Anti-fantasy gets ass-raped and basically made fun of again. it must be tough.

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>>3275942
We already know piece Battler's perspective is totally useless this episode, and I just simply hate Erika, so I have no way to justify that.

Don't get me wrong, Ryukishi already pulled this body switch thing with Shmion, I do not want to see it again, he's just being a cocktease about it.

[Anonymous No.]

...and the Shannon was a Cannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3275892

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>>3275849
For 2, while the exact process is beyond me due to the world puzzle, I'm inclined to think there's an underground passage behind Beatrice's portrait. It only opens when you satisfy the conditions of the word puzzle (the "remove X and kill" parts may not refer to removing characters, but instead gouging out and activating switches on parts of Beatrice's portrait. )

Kinzo's homeland may refer to Rokkenjima, where the "sweetfish" (family members) return to and where he was truly born as a magus.

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>>3276007
Shkanon works just as well as Shmion!

[Anonymous No.]

>>3276036
this

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

Shannon = Gaap
Virgilia = Kumisawa
Genji = Ronove
Jessica = Beatrice
Kanon = Battler
Kanon tries to stop the murders each time but fails.

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>>3276036
On EP3 Both Eva and Rosa ran a few kilometers into the good to reach the secret location of the gold.

Inside the portrait? C'mon.

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>>3276380
Kind of odd how no one noticed, though. Besides, narration is not to be trusted.

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The Narrator is the culprit!

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>>3276426
The narrator = beatrice

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>>3276426
No, dear viewer.
YOU are the culprit!

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>>3276565
and then the reader was a furniture

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>>3276036
In ep5, Battler and Erika are clearly outside activating some sort of trap or device to open the path that leads to the gold.
I think the epitath might result in some sort or coordinate or someting like that.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3275989
Anti-fantasy is the only thing that makes sense. Magic cannot be the answer. That is all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3276785
>implying that magic doesn't exist

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3276817
Magic doesn't necessarily have to exist. Everything can still be explained, for the meta world, as being a coma dream.

And even if magic explains the meta world, it never really intersects with the game worlds, meaning magic is not necessarily real in any of those game worlds.

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>>3276827
The red and gold truths, how could you explain them with a coma end?
And don't say that it's a simple plot device, it would be fucking lazy from your part.
They exist in the game and are used by the characters, they are completely part of the story and should be explainable as such by a complete anti-fantasy end.
Otherwise it would just be shit writing.

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>>3276827
I was always partial to the meta world being just that; a metaphor, in which the characters that appear are analogies or personifications of things on the board itself. You don't need to use magic at all to explain its existence.

Examples:
-meta-Battler is the personification of Battler's will
-dress-Beatrice is the personification of the mastermind's will.

-the Stakes are the Stakes

-the Siestas are Guns

etc

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3276842
Because it's so much better that witches exist, use fancy spoken words that somehow have colors, and things like demon butlers that make delicious cookies are natural.

It's a plot device, stupid.

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>>3276379
>Kanon tries to stop the murders each time but fails.
Now there's an idea I can get behind.

>>3276052
Kanon = Shannon is bullshit. Is the idea of a crossdressing Kanon just too hot to pass up or something? Shmion worked because they were identical twins and confusion is only natural while Shkanon aren't even blood related.

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>>3276892
Once again, if it's only a plot device and nothing more it would pure shit writing.
if it was only something that the reader knew about, it would be fine.
But it's used by the characters extensively, it can't just be thrown away like this in the event of an anti-fantasy ending.

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>>3276892
Once again, if it's only a plot device and nothing more it would be pure shit writing.
if it was something only the readers knew about, it would be fine.
But it's used by the characters extensively, it can't be simply thrown away like this in the event of an anti-fantasy ending.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3276916
Used by non-existent characters in a non-existent world. Has no impact on the game worlds.

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>>3276928
So basically everything we learned with the red and gold truths doesn't have any meaning?
Good job cutting most of the development out of the game.

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>>3276842
>And don't say that it's a simple plot device, it would be fucking lazy from your part.
>They exist in the game and are used by the characters, they are completely part of the story and should be explainable as such by a complete anti-fantasy end.

You seem to have misunderstood some things; the whole point of the red truth is that it IS a plot device.

Each game board is the Rokkenjima of a different Kakera and the events we "see" are really just being recounted from the message in the bottle of that world, written by "Beatrice." In other words, "Beatrice" is the narrator.

Now, why is this important? Because only the narrator can use the red truth. The anti-fantasy vs. anti-mystery tip talks about this at length; that the big loophole in the genre of mystery is that it functions on the premises that a.) the detective found all of the evidence and b.) no further evidence will be introduced in the future at a later date (ie, author writes a sequel).

The reason why this is a problem is that the detective and reader are dependant upon an external, supernatural influence (God, ie the author) to solve the case, because without guarantees a.) and b.), the mystery is literally unsolvable.

The red truth in this story is simply the visual representation of these guarantees, albeit with some embellishments. As I can't read moon, I have nothing to say about the Golden Truth.

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>>3275849
> Shannon is not Kanon and Kanon is not Shannon.
It hasn't been confirmed yet.
EP5 says:
1) The detective's POV can't tell a lie.(It can mistake, though.)
2) The detective of EP1-4 was Battler.
3) The detective of EP5 is Erika.
And Erika never mention that Shannon and Kanon exist at the same time.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3276950
Represents facts as they exist on the board, and the theories concerning the board.

Gold seems to represent the absolute truth of the game, something that cannot be refuted in any way or expounded upon.

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>>3276951
Yeah it's a plot device, but it's a plot device that is a complete part of the story and should be explainable as such, that's all.
It's not a simple literary device, otherwise it would only be addressed to the readers, it's a plot device that is a complete part of the game.

That's why finishing the story and going for a complete anti-fantasy ending without explaining it would be really lazy and proof of some real shitty writing.

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>>3276911
> Shkanon aren't even blood related.
Who said it to you in red?

[Dlanor・A・Knox !DieJCyhR72 No.]

>- The "river of sweetfish blahblahblah" most likely refers to Kinzo's family tree.
>- The village may be Maria.
>- The answer to the first part of the Epitaph will require an atlas for most people.
>- The answer has less than 6 letters/characters.
>- However, the answer can be re-read with 6 letters/characters. By doing so it reveals the Key.
>- The second part of the Epitaph most likely has to do with removing letters or characters from a series of 11 or 13 letters or characters.
>- There are guide signs to the gold on Rokkenjima.

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>>3277030
Well, I explained it above.

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>>3277089
You didn't.
The letter thing is just a theory that has been around for a while, not bad I admit but it also has a lot of holes.
Anyways it's just a theory, which is quite unlikely but who know?

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>>3277127
At this point, we don't know what's true and what's not. I'm simply trying to prove that explaining it in a consistent way with anti-fantasy is more than possible; we can leave its correctness for a later date.