Bone of My Sword . . .

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Bone of My Sword . . . Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:27:45 No.3269407 [Reply] [Original]

So, UBW movie coming out, maybe we can have a discussion on Type-moon's most tragic character. They guy who can never be saved, Counter Guardian EMIYA.

Yes yes, before "Archer's an emofag . . ." and "I am bone, Rin."

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:29:45 No.3269421 File: 35 KB, 284x522, AxG2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:29:45 No.3269424 See this entire thread: http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/3251690

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:30:45 No.3269428 File: 76 KB, 1024x768, 7f2159c55ffdde4675d77f7f9cb5dfc6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >can never be saved

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:32:45 No.3269445 File: 53 KB, 400x400, archerstuckwithblades.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269428 Why can't there be doujin of Adult Rin and Archer fucking?! Those gloves are . . . hot.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:32:45 No.3269448

>>3269407

This thread will most likely be a clusterfuck.

I'm interested in how they're going to weave all of UBW into 90 minutes (or whatever it was). I guess they could remove all the cooking scenes (and "Remember that fire" scenes), but if they did that, they might not have enough content to fill 90 minutes (kidding). I wonder if there will be any mana transfer? I guess it's not integral to the plot, but it would be cool. I'm going to baww if they have the scene where Ilya gets her heart ripped out through.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:34:45 No.3269459
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>>3269428
This is how the UBW movie should end. Seriously.

I can't wait to get the PSP F/UC game English edition so I can know what the fuck happened in that story.

Plus, Gil purring "Faker" at Archer's pretty hot.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:34:45 No.3269460 File: 17 KB, 640x368, archer0se.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am bone Rin.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:35:45 No.3269466 File: 43 KB, 640x480, 220.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Ilya gets her heart ripped out I certainly hope so.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:35:45 No.3269467 File: 77 KB, 640x480, adult.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269445 She grows up to be quite a mature looking woman.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:35:45 No.3269469 File: 350 KB, 1113x1600, archervslancer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] They'd better have the awesomely erotic Lancer VS Archer fight. Then again, that's one of the more iconic parts of the game.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:36:45 No.3269474 >>3269407 >"I am bone, Rin." What?

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:37:45 No.3269477
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>>3269467
How the hell do we get a doujin with Archer fucking Adult Rin?! Or rather, her fucking him because you know she'd be the "top" in that relationship. Come on, "Obey Me" command anyone.

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>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:38:45 No.3269483 Archer being in a relationship with anyone really ruins his character for me. He should forever be a loner, and miserable.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:38:45 No.3269486 >>3269474 >>3269460

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:38:45 No.3269487 File: 222 KB, 1024x768, archerexcalibur.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One of the hottest pictures of Archer ever. Dispute me.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:39:45 No.3269488 >>3269459 >Gil purring "Faker" I'd more like to see Archer's mad laugh when Saber try to tell him to atone for his sins.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:40:45 No.3269496
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>>3269483
Yes, he's a great tragic character, but . . . Damn it, there's only so much abuse you can heap upon him. Nasu's worse than Joss Whedon in this context.

Dude, if Whedon wrote FSN . . .

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:42:45 No.3269504 File: 129 KB, 479x550, archergallows.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269488 Which is odd because Archer NEVER SINNED. If anything, he died for others sins. Saber should just STFU.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:42:45 No.3269508 I'm not sure about the movie. I mean, the anime held most of the story fine but 90 minutes for the entire UBW sounds a bit...

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:43:45 No.3269509
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>>3269487
Not bad at all.
>>3269496
Yeah I know, it'd be nice if he had one, but it just doesn't really feel like him. He's the token "My existence is miserable, and I messed my life up" character.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:43:45 No.3269513 File: 78 KB, 452x520, archersaveshirou.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And the movie better have this scene in it, plus the whole "Idiot" argument.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:44:45 No.3269516

>>3269469
unlikely, since the trailer already revealed they will be animating the Archer x Lancer from the prologue.

I do not think they will put the same fight onscreen twice, especially considering the total time they have, and if they do, don`t expect it to last too long.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:45:45 No.3269520 File: 57 KB, 1024x768, archerrinanime.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269509 That picture makes me want to hug him.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:46:45 No.3269528 File: 59 KB, 1280x720, snapshot20090601013600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Get hype.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:47:45 No.3269532 how did Shirou became a Nigger with White hair?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:47:45 No.3269536 >>3269504 Well, if there're any sins he did it was against the people he didn't save. But he's right in that he has already atoned for his sins in his death.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:48:45 No.3269537 File: 36 KB, 600x500, ac082.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269520 (*´ω｀) He is very huggable.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:48:45 No.3269541 >>3269513 I'd much rather have Shirou telling Lancer not to touch Rin.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:49:45 No.3269547 File: 172 KB, 1920x1080, snapshot20090601012828.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] LOOK AT THESE SHOULDERS LIKE A BARN DOOR GODDAMN

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:51:45 No.3269556 >>3269532 By projecting the wrong way too much.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:52:45 No.3269562 So, with a UBW movie on its way, does anyone else think a Heaven's Feel anime adaptation is also coming? Dat finale...

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:54:45 No.3269580 >>3269562 lol no

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:54:45 No.3269581 >Type-moon's most tragic character >Archer No

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:56:45 No.3269589 Sakura's dad is the most tragic character.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:56:45 No.3269595 >>3269589 He's not doomed to an eternity of torture is he?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:57:45 No.3269601 >>3269562 The problem with that is that no one would care. HF is shit terrible. It would be all cooking scenes anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:58:45 No.3269604 >>3269581 Who would you say is then?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:59:45 No.3269611 >>3269601 I agree, everything before asking for Kotomine's help against Matou Zouken was shit. Everything after that, however, made up for it for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:59:45 No.3269613 >>3269601 HF is fine. Shirou is annoying though. He held tightly into an ideal for 10 years and then he throws it away to save a ho .

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 20:59:45 No.3269617 >>3269601 "Alright, I just killed Saber and lost part of my heart." "SEMPAI~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LET'S COOK SOMETHING, HEHE~"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:01:45 No.3269626 HF movie would be ok if it went MIND OF STEEL route, with showing Shirou defeating all the other masters and such.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:03:45 No.3269640 >>3269611 I'll give you that much, Kotomine manages to really redeem HF.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:04:45 No.3269647 The only reason why I'd want to see HF is CURRY

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:11:45 No.3269682 >>3269647 You mean the Mapo Tofu scene? All of Kotomine's scenes were good in HF.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:29:45 No.3269792
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>>3269509
How about this for a tragic story line:

Shirou's dead. Sakura's gone Dark and badshit, and gunning for Rin while going NomNom on Saber. So, we've already gotten Dark Saber and Caster eaten.

So, Archer realizes to save the world he has to man up and tell Rin everything. He tells her who he is, his story, etc and then they go out and fight the other Servants. Because Shirou's dead, he and Rin grow closer and closer to each other and their sexually tense banter turns softer.

To keep Zouken from winning, Lancer goes to help Archer and Rin. So we've got angry banter between the two of them as they have to fight together. Plus, Lancer noticing their relationship and chuckling over it.

Well, in a bout with Dark Sakura and Dark Saber, Rin gets her mana drained. So we get mana transferring sex between the two of them with the Master giving to the Servant. They confess their feelings, but it's bittersweet because Archer knows it can't be anything.

They end up killing Dark Sebia, with Lancer dying awesomely, Sakura has to die. Then they have to go take down Gilgamesh and Kotomine. Rin has an awesome mage, Black Key, Gem slinging, Kung-fu fight with Kotomine while Archer and Gil fight.

Archer BARELY manages to take down Gil because of Gil's ego and Rin kills Kotomine in rage after he tells her he killed her father.

However, by this time the Grail is already looking like Tetsudo and Archer traces Excalibur to destroy it, draining the rest of his mana.

He looks at Rin as he starts to fade and gives her his SMILE and confesses that he loves her and she's strong to move on. Then he's gone.

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>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:32:45 No.3269806 >>3269792 Cool Gary-Stu fanfiction bro

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:34:45 No.3269818 File: 62 KB, 400x400, z077_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269792 I've see you've taken after Nasu with the classic Gil: "I don't really know what to do with him, so I'll have him die an embarrassing death, because he's too powerful."

Anonymous ‮～ᚻᛟᛟᛟᛟᚩᛗ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:35:45 No.3269835

>>3269792
Sounds like an excuse to write emo fanfiction about Rin and Archer. With Lancer for added "snark", am I right?

But then again, this entire thread is built upon a flawed premise. Medea is a way more tragic character, and a cute elf besides.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:38:45 No.3269852 >>3269818 You guys are too butthurt about Gil. It's more embarrassing that he lost to Shirou rather than a black Shadow that devours anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:39:45 No.3269861 >>3269407 >Type-Moon's most tragic character But this doesn't look like a SHIKI thread at all!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:40:45 No.3269865 >>3269835 Most of these characters lack the 'doomed for eternity to do what spits on everything they stood for in life', and Archer is an original creation so he stands out (any half-educated person should have known about Medea)

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:40:45 No.3269870 File: 9 KB, 182x195, chewing_dude.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269835 >Medea is a way more tragic character, and a cute elf besides. >medea >elf Wait, what?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:41:45 No.3269882 File: 40 KB, 450x450, archer'sworsenightmare..gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269626 Why does everyone assume that Shirou's going to kill all the Masters? Archer'd kill him if he went Mind of Steel without Saber backing him up.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:41:45 No.3269887 sage for type-moon. go back to gaia.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:42:45 No.3269890 >>3269870 Greeks and elves are very similar, he must have got confused

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:42:45 No.3269891 File: 83 KB, 810x648, Scrn.0017 01.37.01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269870

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:43:45 No.3269907 >>3269890 Medea was a barbarian.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:43:45 No.3269911 >>3269870 No, I agree with Jones. She's got those ears man. I'd fuck her.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:45:45 No.3269933
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>>3269891

>implying that pointed ears = elf with no exceptions

I don't know what Nasu was on, but the mythology of the Hellenes tells us that Medea was born of man, and while she may have divine bloodlines thanks to her father's lineage, she certainly isn't mentioned to be an elf.

Of course, Nasu may have just inserted this somewhere and I missed it, but my understanding was that Medea is a Sorceress.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:46:45 No.3269952 >>3269933 I think it may have just been Takeuchi saying "I don't think she's QUITE fetishy enough. I'll give her some elf ears to go with her bisexual, sadomasochistic, MILF status."

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:47:45 No.3269963 File: 59 KB, 800x600, caster4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269891 Lancer and Caster make a good couple

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:47:45 No.3269966 >>3269952 Playing on the whole Pointy Ears fetish thing, yeah. But Medea being an ELF is news to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:48:45 No.3269975 Elf, no exceptions

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:49:45 No.3269984 File: 83 KB, 312x393, 124967062142.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3269975 I'll just leave this here then.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:49:45 No.3269989 >>3269963 I'd fuck both of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:50:45 No.3269999 >>3269933 Are you implying that Nasu really knows anything about mythology instead of just taking bits and pieces just to make his characters look deep? Gilgamesh is undoubtedly rolling in his grave.

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>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:52:45 No.3270007 >>3270003 AS DO I! HYLIANS ARE ELVES, FULL SPEED AHEAD!

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:52:45 No.3270011

>>3269999

Gilgamesh doesn't give two shits, he's Gilgamesh. What some little slant-eye writes about him matters not, as the Epic of Gilgamesh lives on in museums.

The historical inaccuracies make me want to rage my eyes out of my skull, however.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:52:45 No.3270013 >>3269999 Yes, a being with 3/4 divinity predating most humans when the fucking landscapes were almost different must look like a nigger. Idiots.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:53:45 No.3270020 >>3270013 >Yes, a being with 3/4 divinity predating most humans when the fucking landscapes were almost different must look like a nigger. That's right.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:54:45 No.3270023 >>3270011 Artistic license Arc.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:54:45 No.3270026

>>3270011
You will notice F/SN runs on the LEGENDS built and not historical facts (which are minimal for most characters involved), since teh setting is fantasy and all. The only true historical person that was modified is Alexander, the rest are as real as G.I.JOE.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:55:45 No.3270029 >>3270020 ...Sure man.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:55:45 No.3270031 >>3269999 It has nothing to do with making his characters look "deep."

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:55:45 No.3270032 >>3270026 Arthur is debatable.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:56:45 No.3270040 >>3270013 Where did I ever say it was about the way he looked? Gilgamesh is absolutely nothing like the way he was in his epic.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:56:45 No.3270044 File: 69 KB, 600x903, Sinker vs Slugger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >maybe we can have a discussion on Type-moon's most tragic character. >Counter Guardian EMIYA. This guy would like to have a word with you.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:57:45 No.3270047 >>3270032 The only few historical references we have found place him on different countries and ages than his established myth(two different persons mixed in a different age than theirs). Nothing debatable. Legend is just that.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:58:45 No.3270051 >>3270032 'King Arthur' didn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:58:45 No.3270055 >>3270040 Even if he wasn't a god and we talk about King Gil, actual appearances are not like their crude representations. And since the LEGEND is used, Gil in his grave just stays quiet.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 21:59:45 No.3270064 >>3270026 "Bluebeard" was a real person. Gilles de Rais existed.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:00:45 No.3270068 >>3270044 Uh... who is that?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:00:45 No.3270069 File: 81 KB, 500x301, 1249276819420.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3270040 He still has his gay lover!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:01:45 No.3270072 >>3270064 What is attributed in the character did not happen. There was prolly a Setanta, a chief Arthur, a king Gil, there was even a queen Medusa in Libya. You get the point,

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:02:45 No.3270077 >>3270068 Read DDD nigger. Though it still isn't SHIKI level tragedy.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:02:45 No.3270079

>>3270072
But you forget that Fate is set in an alternate universe where those things really DID happen and magic really DOES exist.

Arguing about the true history of events in Type-Moon settings using the reality of our world is staggeringly stupid.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:02:45 No.3270083

>>3270026

>You will notice F/SN runs on the LEGENDS built

Dude, Nasu barely even pays the Legends any attention.

The biggest thing that fucked with my head was Arthur Pendragon being a Woman. As an avid fan of Arthurian legends, it bothered me a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:04:45 No.3270087 >>3270083 >I don't know about Saver and Ayaka

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:04:45 No.3270092 >>3270083 Wait what's this about Arther Pendragon being a woman?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:05:45 No.3270099 >>3270083 So? Arthur didn't exist in the first place, whats the big deal if Nasu wrote Arthur as a girl?

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Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:06:45 No.3270105

>>3270079
I don't forget it at all. There are just idiots who say 'X spins at his grave or whatever' when most of the backstory and events of the legends are pretty accurate.
>>3270083
Considering that outside of the gender swap, almost everything else is the same, you complaints are flimsy.
You have the immortal king who becomes so by removing a sword from a slab of rock, fights armies alone, has a sheath that protects him, has a homunculus son that loves/hates him, has tons of magical weapons, chases holy grails, and is said to reside in an Island of apples till he returns to Britain.
'What if it was a woman' ruining your disposition is kinda retarded.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:07:45 No.3270111
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Basically, it's like this.

You're better off viewing FSN as a shounen/harem comedy with some Magical Girl elements. In this case, the characters happen to share names with people from mythology. Aside from that, they're completely different.

The valorous ARTHUR PENDRAGON, son of Uther, king of the Britons is a moe little blonde girl.

The fearsome snake-haired, loud roaring monster MEDUSA is a moe glasses-wearing oneechan.

The terrifying berserker Cuchulainn is a FAAAAABULOUS bodysuit-wearing Irishman who likes to fish.

If I took all of them as actually being the figures from history, I'd be frothing at the mouth with bestial rage.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:09:45 No.3270119 >>3270111 I've always looked at Nasu's works (except DDD, and given the... dynamic between it's two mains that's debatable) as romances, so maybe that's why I'm not bothered by it.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:09:45 No.3270121 >>3270105 Well, Rider having Bellerophon's bridle doesn't make any sense. Gilgamesh in almost ever sense doesn't scream historical accuracy. The rest are based, in some way, on the legends they were born from.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:10:45 No.3270128

>>3270105

>You have the immortal king who becomes so

All of this is ruined by Nasu doing his classic idiocy and changing it around. There is no good reason why Arthur had to have been a woman. I consider that to be a large and very grave mark.

And also, the scenario you describes is but the bare minimum of Arthurian legend. Those are very basic, simple things that everyone knows, but what of the more intricate details that are all destroyed...because Nasu HAD to make Arthur a woman.

Madness.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:10:45 No.3270132 >>3270111 >>If I took all of them as actually being the figures from history They're figures from legend not figures from history.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:11:45 No.3270135 >>3270121 Gil was kind of a dickhead in the original myth too, although obviously A: not as much of one and B: the ways in which he was a dick were very different.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:11:45 No.3270136

>>3270111
That describes things mostly seen in F/HA, not F/SN. Nice try though.
>>3270121
Whatever she uses for taming the Pegasus was named retroactively)after her death).
As for Gil, outside of his appearance, his backstory is the digest of his epic.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:12:45 No.3270143 >>3270132 He already said that. Don't be a dickhead.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:13:45 No.3270146 >>3270105 >>There are just idiots who say 'X spins at his grave or whatever' when most of the backstory and events of the legends are pretty accurate. This is a blatant lie when it comes to Gilgamesh.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:13:45 No.3270148

>>3270128
There is not a single version of the legend, not all are great, and the game does not actually examine in great detail the legend and events itself, but rather how the character copes with the current events of the story.
Your whinging is unwarranted.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:14:45 No.3270149 >>3270146 Read his backstory which is what he did before he was summoned. Point the 'glaring' problems.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:14:45 No.3270152

>>3270136

>That describes things mostly seen in F/HA, not F/SN. Nice try though.

Yes, but the point in general is that Nasu barely even paid the mythos all that much heed. His childish understanding of King Arthur is more on the levels of Disney's 'The Sword In The Stone' than the old English tales of the Pendragon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:14:45 No.3270156 >>3270149 I think he's refering to the whole "LOLSUMERIANSPACESHIP" and such.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:15:45 No.3270157 >>3270128 So? The Arthur legend is already fiction, what's the big deal if Nasu takes something that's already fiction and changes it into a different fiction? No one version of the Legend of King Arthur is more accurate than another.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:15:45 No.3270158

>>3270136
>>3270135

I was referring to him having all of the conceptual weapons of the world at his beck and call, and a magical key that lets him fling those weapons at people. Or him having the embodiment of the origin of the world, Enuma Elish, at his command.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:15:45 No.3270160 >>3270128 It would have been pretty interesting to have accurate heroes in the Fate universe, but really, I don't think anyone would buy it. Plus you couldn't have any sex scenes (unless you liked HOMO) and the "cute blush" moments. If only. ('A`)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:15:45 No.3270163 >>3270152 Uh Arc? Point of order? Isn't it possible that he DOES know the actual legends and just edited it for the sake of his own narrative? You know, LIKE EVERY FUCKING ARTHURIAN BASED WORK OF FICTION OF ALL TIME?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:16:45 No.3270169 >>3270163 All stuff that uses public domain characters really.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:16:45 No.3270170

>>3270148

Does Nasu give you blowjobs to defend his work on the Inter-net? His shit is whack.

He ignores the finer points of the mythology surrounding the characters, and in doing so he removes their spirit.

When I read about King Arthur Pendragon, I want to read about the Arthur described to me in the old tales, not some blonde-haired little girl.

Perhaps you may be too much of a weeaboo to see a flaw in Nasu's work, but I reject his half-assed, sloppy handling of myth.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:17:45 No.3270175 When did we suddenly start to take Arc seriously?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:17:45 No.3270176 Hey, guys. If you haven't noticed, Arc is a troll. Responding to him seriously is the last thing you should possibly ever consider doing.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:18:45 No.3270179

>>3270152
He didn't pay it much heed cause he does not implement it or examine it itself. It serves as a backstory.
Most of the character understanding is done within the game's story, and it's obviously NOT the same character from the legend. He does not try to portray the mythos well or expand, only use the basis he wants for teh story.
Bad expectations are bad.
And the Arthur mythos is sword fanwankery of one of the more retarded codes and ideals in legends and history in my humble opinion, so it's for the better he did not try to portray the common mythos normally.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:19:45 No.3270183

>>3270179

>Most of the character understanding is done within the game's story, and it's obviously NOT the same character from the legend

That right there is my point. These characters described to us in FSN...are not the legendary heroes and monsters that I know.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:20:45 No.3270191 >>3270176 Arc is a guy? I honestly thought it was a femanon this whole time.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:20:45 No.3270192 >>3270183 And what's your point? You prefer one portrayal of legendary characters to another?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:21:45 No.3270196 File: 117 KB, 448x408, No-Words.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3270191 >Arc is a guy?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:22:45 No.3270198 >>3270196 Pardon me for not pausing to consider the identities of tripfags. I read Arc, considering it female, and then dwell on it no more.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:22:45 No.3270199 >>3270192 >>3270183 >What's your point >That right there is my point. Reading, motherfucker. Do you know how to do it?

>>	Nanaya !yrBrqfF1Ew Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:22:45 No.3270202 >>3270128 >There is no good reason why Arthur had to have been a woman A wizard did it. that's the best explanation.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:22:45 No.3270203 >>3270202 That is a HORRIBLE explanation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:23:45 No.3270211 >>3270202 >wizard Speaking of which, I'm really disapointed we didn't get a sprite or CG of Merlin in all of F/SN.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:23:45 No.3270213 >>3270203 merlin is known for trailing off

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:24:45 No.3270214 >>3270199 So as I understand it, you're complaining about nothing relevant? Great.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:24:45 No.3270217 >>3270203 No, really. Merlin actually did it.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:24:45 No.3270220 >>3270213 Damn that Myrddin Wyllt.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:25:45 No.3270226

>>3270158
He was the first great king of the known world, having everything and treasures being spread is not weird. Ea is mentioned in a sumerian legend. As for his key, he needed a fitting ability, so enter original power.
>>3270170
Nasu as a writer has a million problems, the shit you complain about manages to not touch any of the actual issues.
It's pretty damn clear he never wanted to incorporate each legend 100% accurately (whether he could do it or not), which is impossible since most have at least 2 versions. He has his own setting and cosmology, so he borrows known concepts for dramatic mostly effect and adapts them.
The events are the same, characters, reasoning and mechanics are not.
It's his own version of the legend, bad or not, which fits his own setting. He has no obligation to write them the way you see fit or accurate, and doing so does not make it instantly bad.
And in the end, the legends are not the focus, the resulting character who interact in the modern setting are.
Since he does not event really focus on them and are mostly 4-5 pages of digest, saying that this basic amount of info used to establish the character does not capture the whole writings of Old is redundant and retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:27:45 No.3270234 >>3270183 They were never meant to be. Since the greater part of the legends (whichever version) are not done in detail and is not the focus, it's not even fucking possible in the first place. That's why you are a retard.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:27:45 No.3270237 >>3270226 Cool story, bro. So, question - if we know Nasu is blatantly imprecise when treating mythos, why does everyone under the sun treat it as being one hundred percent factual? Riddle me that.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:28:45 No.3270241 File: 186 KB, 1346x1181, WRen-Is-That-So.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3270198 It's even worse that you would assume anyone on /jp/ was female to begin with. Aside from me, of course.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:29:45 No.3270242 >>3270237 There is not one true version of mythos, so I'm not sure what you're getting at besides blatant trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:29:45 No.3270245 >>3270241 Just to take a break from the "lol accuracies in fiction" topic, I'd like to say I've never once thought of you as being female.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:30:45 No.3270249

>>3270077
SHIKI level? He was drugged his whole life he probably can't even tell what the hell went on throughout his whole life but his childhood. The dude in the pic is Igurumi Kazumi the real name of the "Sinker" going around in DDD This guy had the most fucked up life as everything kept crashing down and he would still try to keep going on but it never works Archer gave up and went insane this guy pretty much went insane got a mental disorder cause of it and was able to develop a new bodily function because of his insanity. In other words dude became a complete monster. But he would still keep trying to go on unlike everyone.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:30:45 No.3270251

>>3270237
I doubt everyone under the Sun reads F/SN, much less doing what you say.
His backstories in character status are mostly digests of the legends and largely accurate (If you Read Arthur instead of Arturia, same thing), and parts of their personality, given abilities of the setting etc allude to them, which is a nice touch.

Nobody claimed authenticity, especially for an ever-changing with more then one version works of fiction.

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:30:45 No.3270252 >>3270241 I'm female, but I know you aren't.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:30:45 No.3270254

>>3270249
An old friend of Kirisu who played baseball with him since childhood. His father left his family and he lived a poor life with his mom. He was bullied by everyone at school, and eventually pitched a baseball on his own became the only thing he ever found interesting to do. Kirisu found him one day and asked if he needed a batter. That’s when they started playing together. The two children played everyday and developed skills far better than anyone in their age. When they proceeded to different junior high schools, they promised they will remain undefeated until they meet again. And they both left a proudful score.

All right, it starts out with saying how his father ditched the family and he had a fucked up poor life with his mom. He was bullied by every one at the school he went too. Baseball was the ONLY thing he ever found interesting to do. One day Kirisu (The Slugger of SVS) found him and asked if he wanted a batter. Then they started to play together honing their skills far better than anyone else their age. They both went to different junior high schools. There they promised to remain undefeated until they meet again. And both left under a proudful score.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:31:45 No.3270256 >>3270249 Archer did not give up/become insane. During his life at least. He accepted all the shit. The eternal shit of the afterlife he was granted is what makes things worse. But yeah, I'd like to read DDD.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:31:45 No.3270257

>>3270254
Guess what? This is Nasu. Kirisu got involved with the wrong dudes and eventually a guy in the Yakuza thought Kirisu will be an interesting guy to have have under their organization. When this guy took him around to places where they make their money, Kirisu saw his friend’s mom working at a place she shouldn’t be with a tired look. He couldn’t stand that and killed this man with a bat. Because this man was hated by many, he didn’t get into trouble, but since then he would throw up whenever he would stand in the batter’s box.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:32:45 No.3270261

>>3270257
Igurumi? Got beat up by his teammates who were envious of his skill. They broke his elbow ending his career forever. But different from Kirisu who just gave up baseball, Igurumi didn’t and kept on trying to throw the ball. Few month later, Igurumi was banned from school after picking a fight with the teammate in the middle of a class. And started living like a homeless man INSANE. In his last pitches of SVS, we find out why Igurumi Kazumi was so obsessed with playing baseball. Because he liked baseball? no. Because that was the only thing he was good at? no. Because of his friend Kirisu? no. Because his mother was so proud to see him succeed in baseball. But that ended when his teammates went to tell his mom that her son won’t be able to pitch anymore. Igurumi hid about his elbow in front of his mom and practiced hoping that it will somehow magically get better. The teammates thought that wasn’t funny, and went to his house to reveal that to his mom. His mom hanged herself after hearing it.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:33:45 No.3270264 >>3270245 >>3270252 Sounds like a personal problem for the both of you. >I'm female, but I know you aren't. Oh, lord. Might as well just start the whole Pygmalion process over again.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:36:45 No.3270286

>>3270251
>>3270241

First off, don't take me so literally. 'Everyone under the sun' just means /jp/, and we're not even under the sun. We are in our abodes.

>His backstories in character status are mostly digests of the legends and largely accurate (If you Read Arthur instead of Arturia, same thing), and parts of their personality, given abilities of the setting etc allude to them, which is a nice touch.

The characters' backstories are distilled to their purest essence, leaving none of their original flavours. My major problem with Nasu in this case is that he only payed heed to the most general portions of the myth.

Oh, arthur pulled a sword out of a stone, wow, that's so accurate and legible and detailed. And he has a son named Mordred, wow, Nasu is a GENIUS.

By this logic, you could say that Disney's cartoon movie 'The Sword In The Stone' is an accurate and faithful retelling of the legend. I am not pleased by this.

If it pleases you, then the more power to you. You can actually read FSN without the sense of cognitive dissonance that I get.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:38:45 No.3270297

>>3270286
>>By this logic, you could say that Disney's cartoon movie 'The Sword In The Stone' is an accurate and faithful retelling of the legend

But Nasu isn't making a faithful retelling of 'the' legend. He is making his own, just as everyone who makes King Arthur stories does.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:38:45 No.3270299 >>3270286 I don't think anyone is saying that Nasu's version is an accurate retelling of Arturian mythology. If they are saying that, then they're morons. You're arguing a point that nobody is making, nor should be making.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:40:45 No.3270305

>>3270299
>>3270297

Also, one more thing.

Instead of Arthur being a woman, why couldn't Nasu have included amazing and awesome things like Caliburn being used by Arthur's warrior Llenlleawg the Irishman to kill the Irish king Diwrnach while stealing his magical cauldron of plenty[that also raises the dead]?

The Arthurian myths of the English and Irish are ten times more interesting than LOL HERE IS A MOE LITTLE BLONDE KING ENJOY, but that's my personal taste.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:44:45 No.3270325

>>3270286
It's not that he fails to portray the legends, it's that he doesn't want to.
He obviously want you to judge the characters by what happens in the story, not my whichever myth told by any random team of people has.
The summaries help you to realize that these heroes are very distant than normal people and their presence here is not natural.

From basic events, he builds his original setting and character interpretation. You are not supposed to build up an impression from the legends.
The fact that you want to is irrelevant and stupid in this case.

You don't need to onlly understand the author's words to enjoy his work, you need to build the proper disposition/expectations the setting provides.
If after the first few hours, you actually expected accurate portrayal and retelling of the characters and judged the content, then you cannot distinguish a fantasy novel from a mythos analysis in terms of literacy and cultural legacy.

>>	Anonymous ‮～ᚻᛟᛟᛟᛟᚩᛗ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:45:45 No.3270331 >>3270264 You got a problem with us grrrrl posters, Ren? I never took you for a phallocrat. ^_~

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:46:45 No.3270340

>>3270325

>You don't need to onlly understand the author's words to enjoy his work, you need to build the proper disposition/expectations the setting provides.

Which is precisely what I have said. Instead of expecting accuracy, I have instead paid attention to the story, and discounted the characters' mythological leanings as being merely references, and they themselves as being separate from the characters WE know.

So it all works out.

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:46:45 No.3270341

>>3270305
>>3270325
Also, if the only thing you gathered is 'MOE LITTLE GIRL', I start to doubt if you actually fucking bothered to read at all.
And why should he even reference an unrelated event that does not change anything in what the story focus?

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:48:45 No.3270351

>>3270340
If you did actually do that, then all your bitching and comments are pointless.
Since the story itself was never supposed do what you whined about, why the fuck do you whine?

Munching out pseudo-intellectual tidbits as clap-traps does not a good troll make.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:51:45 No.3270372

>>3270341
>>3270351
>>3270351

>Since the story itself was never supposed do what you whined about, why the fuck do you whine?

That's what we do around here, isn't it?

We whine about tripfags.

We whine about Japanese Bird.

We whine about why /jp/ is so shitty.

We whine about fanfiction.

We whine about normalfags.

Whining is to be expected. Don't get quite so butthurt when someone chooses to whine about your favorite VN. Stem those tears, Anon.

>>	Karesh !kw3EPy0aUY Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:54:45 No.3270389 >>3270372 Why are Normal Japanese Tripfags cooking spaghetti writing fan fiction on /jp/ so shitty?

Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:55:45 No.3270394

>>3270372
It's nowhere near my favorite.
But instead of addressing actual problems, you complain about stupid things.
It's like someone arguing why doesn't Star Trek follow out technology and grasp of physics to the T.
Regardless of quality of teh show invloved, that's a retarded comment.

If your excuse is 'LOL, we whine about everything', then I guess I should just add you to the filter since you demolish the chance of any interesting or even funny conversation.

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:55:45 No.3270397 >>3270389 I'm having spaghetti for dinner. I hate spaghetti.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:57:45 No.3270410

>>3270394

Look on the bright side.

We have had a stimulating, interesting discussion with relative civility on both sides. That's why -I- come to /jp/. Plus, isn't that far better than whining about why /jp/ is so shitty for the thousandth time?

I'd personally say this is the best thread on /jp/ right now. If you were all as accommodating as this all the time, I'd never have a bad thing to say about /jp/

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:58:45 No.3270417 >>3270394 >teh....retarded laffo

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 22:59:45 No.3270433 >>3270331 That was depressing to read, Jones. Don't ever do that again.

>>	Karesh !kw3EPy0aUY Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:05:45 No.3270467 >>3270433 Do it Jones, you know you want to.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:14:45 No.3270525 >>3269407 Archer? The most tragic? lol Fucking GILGAMESH had it tough. Lancelot had it tough. Both Lancers had the luck of a dead leprechaun.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:21:45 No.3270575 fuck you arc, I'm going to go write a fanfic about touching cirno without freezing just to make you rage more.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:22:45 No.3270578 File: 41 KB, 291x555, archerfullsizecasual.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3270525 How is Gil tragic?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:30:45 No.3270644 File: 57 KB, 280x420, archerfish.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Archer pics anyone?

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>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:48:45 No.3270769 File: 55 KB, 572x600, archerglasses.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One of the sexiest pictures of Archer ever.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:51:45 No.3270789 Go back to your fanfics, Elf.

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>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:52:45 No.3270798 File: 244 KB, 916x1387, Archerovershoulder.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3270789 Who is Elf and their fanfics?

>>	Anonymous ‮～ᚻᛟᛟᛟᛟᚩᛗ ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA Sun, Aug 30, 2009 23:55:45 No.3270810 >>3270798 A terrible Beast's Lair poster. Don't worry about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Aug 31, 2009 00:00:45 No.3270834 >>3270810 terrible Beast's Lair No need to repeat yourself.

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>>	Anonymous Mon, Aug 31, 2009 00:18:45 No.3270933 File: 83 KB, 480x640, 2005spring1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Posting Ilya in a fujoshi thread.

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>>	Anonymous Mon, Aug 31, 2009 00:25:45 No.3270985 File: 302 KB, 500x701, ballgownrinarcher.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How did Ilya get involved in this thread?

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>>	Anonymous Mon, Aug 31, 2009 00:26:45 No.3270993 Thanks /jp/, I used to try and deny that I liked Ilya before, but images like these helped to bring it back out more.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Aug 31, 2009 00:26:45 No.3270994 File: 160 KB, 872x1060, reno159.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3270985 Archer time is over. Ilya time, on the other hand, is all the time.

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