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[Anonymous No.]

Beatorice is dead and is never coming back.
Battller is now the endlless sorcerer.
Hope you enjoy using your filter.
Ni pah~

[Anonymous No.]

XD

[Anonymous No.]

She's trolling. Again. That's my bet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3167395
She's not, battller explicitly said that in game, that he hoped beatoriche was trolling him.

SHE'S DEAD.

[Anonymous No.]

Whatever, bitches.Where is my Umineko Music Box Blue?!!

[Hong Meiling 門門 !!CkFE91f1n9T No.]

>>3167414
Dead in Ryukishi's terms means she'll be back next Episode and when she'll put on that troll face again tear-eyed Battler will hug her.

[Anonymous No.]

>the endlless sorcerer.
It literally said "Witch."
Giving him a title different from Beatrice's in any way would defeat the purpose of his task.

[Anonymous No.]

Too bad witches don't reform~☆

[Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx No.]

>>3167414
She never existed to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

Shannon is Shannon.
Kannon is Kannon.

Is Natsushi a culprit?
Let's see an orphan who was adopted by Natsushi died. He phoned to tell that he wants revenge for something related to him, water and Natsushi. And on the first twilight dies Maria, Jessica, George, Genji, Rosa, Krauss.
In first it is implied with Natsushi's son that she can kill children easily, because she once has done it. In other words it seems that someone wants us to believe that Natsushi is a culprit while the real can do whatever he wants.
Dead people:
Maria, Rosa, George, Jessica, Genji, Hideyoshi, Krauss(the killer used the knife and made clear that they are dead).
Battler and Erika are not culprits accordind to games rules.
Natsushi is a trap, a scapegoat.

Who can be a culprit?
Eva can't kill George and Hideyoshi(She is overprotected towards them)
Shannon can't kill George(love).
Kannon can't kill Jessica(love).

Kuwasama seems is too old.
Gohga just wants to please Krauss and Natsushi.
Kyrie - I don't know enough about her(instead of her story we got Ange and Kasumi)
Rudolf - he always dies so early( we don't know enough about him)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3167431
Just as planned

[Anonymous No.]

>>3168798
Shannon=Kanon is still effective.

Why? Battler seen motherfucking KINZO walking around and Erika is going around using Red and Blue and that fucking trial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3168838
For the last time, no. Before the trial began Erika talked to Shannon and Kanon at the same exact time. She is in the room with them, at the exact same time.

Shannon=Kanon is still fucking dead.

[Anonymous No.]

op is butthurt because he got spoiler

[Anonymous2007 !7AnImelIIg No.]

>>3167368

I find it creepy right now and gave me the nightmares from that look of her face.....

[Anonymous No.]

>Eva can't kill George and Hideyoshi(She is overprotected towards them)
>Shannon can't kill George(love).
>Kannon can't kill Jessica(love).

All of these don't matter if we don't know the motive. The motive could be so horrible they can disregard this.

And Kanon and Jessica love and Shannon and George love hasn't been confirmed in Red. Hell, when Shannon and Kanon heard of their deaths they didn't do anything only Eva was crying. Battler had more of a shock when he WOKE UP AND FOUND THEIR MOTHERFUCKING CORPSES SLEEPING NEXT TO HIM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3168845
The trial took place in both the Meta world AND the real world at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3168798
If Natsuhi isn't the culprit, why didn't the murders continue?
There must be some reason.
My guess is that the culprit is Rudolf.
He realized that something would happen, and probably interrupted the real murderers and managed to gain the upperhand and kill them.
But seeing all the children dead, the fact that he actually had to kill and that he had no proof to confirm it was legitimate defense, he couldn't say anything.
After that Hideyoshi probably realized it and he had to shut him for good.
The fact that Natsuhi was considered as the culprit was convenient for him so everything stopped.
His family was saved, he gained lots of money, happy end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3168890
And it's a schrodiger's cat. If Kanon really does = Shannon just saying one of their names could cause the game master to interpret as both of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3168891
They only did the six to be able to get off the island. And have the blame go onto Natsuhi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3168895
Holy shit. What fucked up logic.

[Anonymous No.]

I find the Shkannon theory to be utterly fucking ridiculous, but with Battler not being designated the detective of this game, I can see Ryukishi throwing that TWEEST out there. I'm sure as shit not going to believe Erika, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

Natsuhi is fucking insane.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169380
Natsuhi is a better mom then Rosa.

[Anonymous No.]

>Is Natsushi a culprit?
>Let's see an orphan who was adopted by Natsushi died. He phoned to tell that he wants revenge for something related to him, water and Natsushi. And on the first twilight dies Maria, Jessica, George, Genji, Rosa, Krauss.

Wouldn't the suspicion then be that one of the remaining is Natsuhi's child, which would make it either Battler, Kanon or a genderbent Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169404
No. Natsuhi isn't even the culprit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169465
She's still the better mom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169380
HOW FUCKING DARE YOU

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169465
Yeah, but at least Rosa didn't throw Maria off a cliff.

Then again, maybe she would've suffered less if she had.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169498
Natsuhi didn't throw her kid off the cliff. The kid died by accident, maybe kinda sorta indirectly because of Natsuhi's neglect, and she blamed herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169496

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169496
Natsuhi is the culprit!

[Master Sparks !!SAGveut/1uW No.]

But I didn't cares about Umineko in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169517
Can you confirm that in gold? You can't, can you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169543
That's YOUR job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169543
>>endless sorcerer fan art

FUCK YES.

POST MORE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169617
Japan is pretty disappoint with this so far. Less Erika, more sorcerer Battler dammit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3167368
How come this is so often brought up around this site?
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[Anonymous No.]

>>3169617
Fast Japan is not being fast enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169687
good battler you look kind of cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169690

For once the bot has a fucking point

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169687
Great, now Battler is KoG.

[Anonymous No.]

tldr game sucks now

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169445
>Wouldn't the suspicion then be that one of the remaining is Natsuhi's child, which would make it either Battler, Kanon or a genderbent Shannon.

If her son is the culprit and we know that Battler can't be a culprit by the games rules then it mean Kannon is Natsushi's son.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanon=Shanon is dead.

Knox rules, bitch. Detective can't have delusions. Battler saw both of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>then it mean Kannon is Natsushi's son.
Delicious potential incest with Jessica?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169784
>Battler
>Detective

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169759
Battler can be the culprit in the fifth game. In fact, Battler accuses himself when he's defending Natsuhi and runs with the theory. I think it's bullshit, but Battler isn't the detective this time, so he's as up for grabs as anyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169786
More like Jessica is the furniture and Kanon is the master then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169805
>Battler accuses himself
What.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169786
He is an orphan who was adopted by Natsushi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169805
Battler isn't the detective, hes the "Game Master" in episode 5 that replaces Beatrice and becomes the "witch" that Erika must defeat. He does this because Erika already destroyed Beatrice by using a theory he could not accept, so he therefore prolongs the game by proving that theory wrong and taking the "Game Master" title from Erika that she had won when she defeated Beatrice. He becomes the Game Master for this board in order to prolong the game and force her to find a better theory he can accept.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169813
Battler puts forth the theory that Natsuhi's long-lost son might be behind everything instead. Dlanor counters with Knox #1, that the culprit must be introduced from the beginning.

Battler: "What if that child from nineteen years ago was amongst us from the very beginning? For instance... what if it was me!?"

Dlanor counters with Knox #8, that the detective can't have clues like that that aren't also produced for the reader, and Battler brings up that it was revealed in episode 4 that Asumu wasn't his real mother, so it's fair.

And so on and so forth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169891
I think it could be true, but if it was, the culprit and son would be Kanon, not Battler.

After all, Battler himself would have known about it in the previous games. He doesn't, and it's stated in red he didn't kill anyone and wasn't the culprit in games 1-4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169792
Battler was the detective during ep 1-3. (not sure about 4). He saw Kanon and Shanon together back then.

[Anonymous No.]

Gohda is the son, plastic surgery to look older could do wonder.
There's also the fact that he seems particularly close to Natsuhi and that he accepted to work on an isolated island.
A little far-fetched but I think I saw that sort of trick in some other mystery novel before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169921
No he didn't. Not until episode 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169936
you read your spoilers wrong, Tim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169943
What? Battler didn't see Shannon and Kanon together until he wasn't the detective - episode 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169953
But Erika did too, and she's the detective.

Give it up Jim, theory's dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169958
Didn't say it wasn't. I don't particularly care for the theory much and it raises more questions than it answers.

It's just that Battler wasn't the piece used to end the theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169933
It has to be something similar at least.
Not even Gohda is unlucky enough to just wonder into a mass family murder and be completely unrelated to what's going on.

Also, something interesting the anime reminded me. Gohda doesn't know that Kinzo's dead. He also doesn't know about the other mansion and his family never received envelopes in Ep4. His motives are pretty much wide open.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169970
I really hope there's no mysteries surrounding Gohda. He's just a dick of a chef who gets wrapped up in murder in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169988
The Gohda's notes TIP pretty much killed the idea of Gohda being the culprit for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169784
See: >>3168895 >>3168838

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169993
I'd like to know more about Genji and why he is supposedly behind the circles. Aside from Nanjo, he could be the "new Kinzo" in episode 4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169988
1.The criminal must be mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to know.

Hideyoshi, Rudolf and Gohda are the people we know the least about really, which makes them the most suspicious in this regard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3169970
Holy shit, I never realized that shit in the spoiler tags, I wonder what this means for him and obviously for the other people who did receive money. Does this make them certain accomplices? Or is the money just for covering up Kinzo's death?

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone confirm if this pic is a shoop or not? Looks like it to me, but now, looking at the fanart, I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170014
I think this rule doesn't really apply so well in Umineko as we can't really trust that when we follow other people's perspectives it isn't just a lie by Beatrice and unreliable narration. Ie. EP3 where we follow Kyrie's thoughts in a magic scene of all things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170011
It's probably meant as a cryptic communication to other people in on the plan, like the account number that was put on the wall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170025
Fan shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170014
Rudolf knowing about his death in episode 1 might have something to do with it. Hideyoshi also is suspicious in episode 3. But Gohda has given us really no reason to doubt him, aside from the fact that he's barely developed on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170025
Shop

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170029
I agree. Knowing this, the culprit could really be anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

I find it pretty funny there was a lot of Natsuhi x Beatrice before episode 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170029
True, but those guys are conspicuous by their lack of involvement, even though it's mostly because they get killed off early on.

Why would anyone want to kill Godha? He made such a nice meal and everything. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170052
He's a dick to Kanon and Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>But Gohda has given us really no reason to doubt him, aside from the fact that he's barely developed on.

Beato suggested that everyone is there on the island for a reason. Besides, I'd be surprised if the murderer hadn't accounted for him in some way. Heck, with the large sums of money involved and his minimal prior involvement with the family, he's a prime target to being bribed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170065
Wouldn't you be?

He can lift heavy loads and cook wonderful dishes, and he gets left out, unlike the maid who can't make coffee and the boy who can't lift a bag of fertilizer.

[Anonymous No.]

Thinking about the fact that Genji draws the circles, it would probably give him close connection to the killer. Kanon asks why Beatrice had to choose Shannon, in front of the other servants. Does he really believe in Beatrice, or is he asking someone in that room why she was chosen? Mainly, Genji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170089
Good point. Aside from that he seems like a nice guy, he's just strict on serving well. He's probably the least suspicious, but knowing what that other anon said about his family never being referenced as receiving money is pretty iffy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170092
Wait, wait, when did "Genji draws the circles" become a fact?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170085
Wait, wait, when did "Genji draws the circles" become a fact?

[Anonymous No.]

The rule about the Servant's not being culprits was Knox's or Van Dine's?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170099
It didn't. It's just if Gohda's notes TIP can be trusted he very likely is. Gohda is alone on the island with Genji and a circle appears. Genji calls Gohda and tells him to clean it up. Additionally, Kanon mentions to Gohda a similar circumstance where he found a circle and Genji told him to clean it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170111
It wasn't Knox's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170111
johnny knoxville?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170107
Probably something in EP5.

In any case, knowledge of those sorts of symbols would be limited to a select number of people who had easy access to Kinzo's study, namely Genji and Nanjo.

Of course there's also Maria, but she's just a freak. I doubt the person making the symbols would've planned for her mentioning something. (that said, they did use her for delivering the note at dinner)

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170092
I find it more likely Shannon put the paint on Natsuhi's door herself. It wasn't elaborate like Genji's circles, and Shannon would have been the only servant who knew about the charms, although that raises a question as to why she knew Natsuhi, not Jessica, had it.

It could have just been that the killer opened the door, was about to kill her, but saw the charm and knew its significance, so decided to leave her be, in order to further propagate the myth of Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170119
>johnny knoxville

Oh shit, I can see that coming. We're reaching the end to Umineko:

Battler: The culprit is...
*scene changes*
JN: I'm Johnny Knoxville, welcome to Jackass.
*start Jackass OP showing all the Umineko characters pulling those idiotic stunts*

- The End

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170014
1.The criminal must be mentioned in the early part of the story,

Ryukishi tell us just that.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you really think it could have been one of the servants? That'd be, a bit too easy, don't you think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170155
That's only part of the rule.

Full rules:
>The criminal must be someone mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to follow.

>All supernatural or preternatural agencies are ruled out as a matter of course.

>Not more than one secret room or passage is allowable.

>No hitherto undiscovered poisons may be used, nor any appliance which will need a long scientific explanation at the end.

>No Chinaman must figure in the story.

>No accident must ever help the detective, nor must he ever have an unaccountable intuition which proves to be right.

>The detective must not himself commit the crime.

>The detective must not light on any clues which are not instantly produced for the inspection of the reader.

>The stupid friend of the detective, the Watson, must not conceal any thoughts which pass through his mind; his intelligence must be slightly, but very slightly, below that of the average reader.

>Twin brothers, and doubles generally, must not appear unless we have been duly prepared for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170170
>>No Chinaman must figure in the story.

What does this mean? No people sharing the same name?

[Anonymous No.]

if battler believes that he is a warlock, then that must mean he believes in magic and in witches.

round about away of making him lose, don't ya think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170112

One day when the island was supposedly empty, wasn't there a girl still there according to Gohda? Either Shannon or Kanon (he could cross dress, I suppose, even if he isn't Shanon) must be connected to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170159
Maybe, but they're definitely involved in the earlier murders (EP1 and 2) just for the sheer amount of locked door tomfoolery that goes on.

The question isn't really who's the culprit, since some characters like Genji and Nanjo really have to be in on it; it's how many other people are in on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170159
Only Shannon or Kanon, either one faking their death, could have killed Natsuhi in episode 1. Genji most likely draws the circles.

It's not like they're behind the whole thing, but they're probably heavily involved.

[Anonymous No.]

Back to episode 2, looks like Genji was the only survivor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170183
I don't think so. It was two separate days. The first day was Genji seeing the figure of the girl, who he thought might be Natsuhi or Jessica - so he wasn't alone with Genji on the island.

On another day he was just alone with Genji.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>3170178
The foreigner can never be the criminal, nor factor in any way into solving the crime.

[Anonymous No.]

The ones the game uses are slightly different:

ノックス十戒

ドラノール・Ａ・ノックスの父が生み出した異端審問の戒律。

ノックス第１条。　犯人は物語り当初の登場人物以外を禁ず。
ノックス第２条。　探偵方法に超自然能力の使用を禁ず。
ノックス第３条。　秘密の通路の存在を禁ず。
ノックス第４条。　未知の薬物、及び、難解な科学装置の使用を禁ず。
ノックス第５条。　（欠番）
ノックス第６条。　探偵方法に偶然と第六感の使用を禁ず。
ノックス第７条。　探偵が犯人であることを禁ず。
ノックス第８条。　提示されない手がかりでの解決を禁ず。
ノックス第９条。　観測者は自分の判断、解釈を主張することが許される。

ノックス第１０条。　手がかりなきほかの人物への変装を禁ず。

その解釈は今なお議論が続いており、無数のアンフェア論争の火種となって
いる。
この戒律に背けば全て異端とする原理主義者がいる一方、これに抵触しつつ
も、列聖されて偉人がいることを挙 げる修正主義者もいる。

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170198
Translation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170179
Describing what happens makes it sounds like Battler being a sucker again, but the way it's executed makes the possibility really slim, IMO. Battler actually hopes he's being trolled by Beato rather than this actually happening, and he becomes game master by understanding everything about the board. He's pretty much nigh untrollable as he faces down Erika and becomes the next witch.

Of course, I guess for some people that actually increases the chances of a troll, but.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170209
Also, I wouldn't say Battler believes in magic now--he's adopting the position of witch to oppose Erika. But he definitely gained much more respect for it through this ep, much like Ange. He's completely infuriated at Erika and Bern's treatment of Natsuhi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170188
And in episode 1, any of Battler, Jessica, George, Maria, Kanon or Shannon could be alive.

[Anonymous No.]

Here's a few Van Dine's ones that I found interesting.

3. There must be no love interest. The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.
>>so much for a Battler X Beato end

9. There must be but one detective - that is, but one protagonist of deduction - one deus ex machina. To bring the minds of three or four, or sometimes a gang of detectives to bear on a problem, is not only to disperse the interest and break the direct thread of logic, but to take an unfair advantage of the reader. If there is more than one detective the reader doesn't know who his co-dedutcor is. It's like making the reader run a race with a relay team.
>As long as Erika lives, Battler won't get to play detective again.

10. The culprit must turn out to be a person who has played a more or less prominent part in the story - that is, a person with whom the reader is familiar and in whom he takes an interest.
>That kinda rules out the older servants.

11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is too easy a solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person - one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.
>Ditto

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170236
12. There must be but one culprit, no matter how many murders are committed. The culprit may, of course, have a minor helper or co-plotter; but the entire onus must rest on one pair of shoulders; the entire indignation of the reader must be permitted to concentrate on a single black nature.
>So there's one big bad

17. A professional criminal must never be shouldered with the guilt of a crime in a detective story. Crimes by house-breakers and bandits are the province of police departments - not of authors and brilliant amateur detectives. A really fascinating crime in one committed by a pillar of a church, or a spinster noted for her charities.
>The big bad must be VERY messed up.

18. A crime in a detective story must never turn out to be an accident of a suicide. To end an odyssey of sleuthing with such and anti-climax is to hoodwink the trusting and kind-hearted reader.
>That makes the EP2 closed room a lot more interesting.

19. The motives for all crimes in detective stories should be personal. International plottings and war politics belong in a different category of fiction - in secret-service tales, for instance. But a murder story must be kept gemuetlich, so to speak. It must reflect the reader's everyday experiences, and give him a certain outlet for his own repressed desires and emotions.
>The gold is most likely a smokescreen, the murderer has a massive axe to grind with the family, and the issue of money is just to cover it up or get or get other people on board.

[Anonymous No.]

1. the culprit must be introduced at the start
2. No supernatural investigation
3. No secret doors/passages
4. No unknown drugs, sci-fi, etc.
5. (shit)
6. The detective cant solve everything by sixth sense or coincidences.
7. The detective cant be the culprit
8. The mistery cant be solved by clues not shown to the readers.
9. Observers can voice their opinions and what they think/see.
10.it has to do with disguises. someone translate that for me, please.

[Anonymous No.]

Knox 5 is missing, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170236
>>3170238
Van Dine's rules have already been screwed up badly in Umineko. I remember one rule being about not focusing on any mundane things, only on the mystery (i.e. add no noise), and Umineko hasn't done this. And about the love interest one, R07 has been playing with that one already. There are other rules as well. So, I wouldn't count on Van Dine's rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170236
>>3. There must be no love interest. The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.
>>No Beatorice X Battler

this isn't true the "no love interest" is only for the criminal, Beatrice isn't the criminal and is just using all these LOL MAGIC to help battler come to terms.

Battler X Beatrice forever.

[Anonymous No.]

what is this text about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170198
>>3170249
Hmm.... they've kept the Chinaman rule hidden? I wonder if this has any particular meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170300
the pleasure of being cummed inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170301
Erika

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170300
It's a list of alibis for Natsuhi that Erika and Bern systematically destroy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170300
Natsuhi is on trial, those are all possible alibis for her that are shut down by Erika & co

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170236
>>3170238
Based on these, I'm putting my money on Rudolf being the culprit.
Direct family member. (I can't think of anyone outside the family who'd have a strong enough motive.)
We don't know what he's really up to, because he doesn't seem to stay alive long enough. (we already know how screwed up Eva and Rosa are, and Krauss seems a bit obvious since it's his home turf)
Battler's 'sin' of leaving the family probably prompted Rudolf's own dissatisfaction with the rest of the clan. If not, I'd still wager that Battler's 'sin' has a greater chance of influencing him to kill because he's directly related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170209

Yeah people need to read it. Surprise. There is no chance of a troll imo. He's already all powered up and has new understanding of everything because of Beato, so I'm not sure what the troll could even be.

[Anonymous No.]

>20. And (to give my Credo an even score of items) I herewith list a few of the devices which no self-respecting detective story writer will now avail himself of. They have been employed too often, and are familiar to all true lovers of literary crime. To use them is a confession of the author's ineptitude and lack of originality. (a) Determining the identity of the culprit by comparing the butt of a cigarette left at the scene of the crime with the brand smoked by a suspect.

Well, I'll be damned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170316
>I'm not sure what the troll could even be

Lambda and Bern could always be trolling them both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170217
Shanon had half of her face preserved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170323
R7 got around that by saying that only Rudolf and Hideyoshi smoked

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170323
Maybe it was indirect clue of Ryukishi because he probably knows those 20 commandments, as they are mentioned at Dlanor's tips.

[Anonymous No.]

No Dine
No Knox
No Fair

In other words, it is not a mystery

But it happens,
All it happens
Let it happens

Once again, No Fair
In other words, it's a starvation.
Starve while demanding the fair and die.


Isn't this implying that Umineko isn't following standard mystery rules? I don't think we should tether ourselves to the rules, aside from possibly Knox since the damn character uses them. Ryukishi has already violated quite a few in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170323
Like that shitface could write something better than umineko. Who is he? some sort of mystery novel god?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170410
Knox is used actively to knock down blue arguments, but gold seems to be able to override Knox too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170410
Yeah, it doesn't quite make sense. Dine's are already broken, no question about it. While Knox's might be mostly applicable, this suggests that one of Knox's commandments may not all apply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170410
R07 is doing whatever he wants. He'll use Knox's rule however he pleases.

[Anonymous No.]

ryuukishi is mai husbando

[Anonymous No.]

Who is Fair?

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170469
I'm just speculating here but maybe it just means it's not fair if there's no knox and dine

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>>3170478
Found A.A.Fair on wikipedia, but never found anything about commandments coming from him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>3170430
What are you? Some kind of illiterate faggot?

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>>3170478
I dunno, Battler found his new truth looking at the Knox commandments.

[Anonymous No.]

Could Fair possibly be referring to this?

http://www.phantombookshop.com/erlestanleygardner/esgodd_.htm #3

and

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028135/#comment ?

[Anonymous No.]

I suspect Krauss, Rudolf, Hideyoshi and Nanjo.

All we know about Krauss's inner thoughts is that he thinks his siblings are bitches. That is all.

Rudolf's obvious: he always dies early and we have yet to see a private scene with him. Also, episode 1? "I may be killed tonight."? HUGEASS HINT

Hideyoshi... not so sure about him but we haven't seen a lot about him. He's just there for the ride. And like Eva before him he has a lot to gain from the inheritance so we can't discard him attempting to stay with the inheritance and his precious Eva and George. I'm not ruling him out just because he's nice. And hey, the fake kansai? Not buying it.

Nanjo- IT'S HIM! HE DID IT! LOL maybe not. But we've seen ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from him. And besides, he's always either hiding, or sleeping, or sipping tea, Hell maybe even, I don't know, KILLING BODIES AND MAKING DIAGNOSES AHEAD OF TIME? I think he's the one. He's always with Kinzo anyway- and Kinzo's dead so the alibi's perfect. In fact, HE could even BE the mystery Kinzo we need!

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It would be nice if Episode 7 expands on the other characters a bit.